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Digne could head to Italy but Chelsea talk brews
The Frenchman appears to have been frozen out by the Spaniard after what was said to have been a training-ground disagreement; the arrival of the young Ukrainian left-back could pave the way for a significant change in that area of the Blues' team.
Digne, who was signed from Barcelona for £18M three years ago, might not have a way back into Benitez's good graces and is being linked with Chelsea, Inter Milan, Napoli and Juventus.
Indeed, a report by Tutto Juve suggests that Everton and Juventus could swap Digne and Aaron Ramsey in reciprocal loan deals until the summer.
Reports in England, however, are centring around Chelsea's interest given their need to draft in a replacement for Ben Chilwell who may need surgery to correct an ACL injury, with talk of Ross Barkley possibly coming back the other wayUpdated .
There have been suggestions that the Londoners want to take Digne on loan until the end of the season but the Daily Star claim that the Blues will only listen to offers that include an obligation to buy in the summer.
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2 Posted 28/12/2021 at 06:07:07
If you value Digne (£25M) & Kean (an already agreed £28M?) and they want £25M for Arthur and £20M for McKennie while Ramsey is a free owing to his wages then £5M makes the difference. Everybody happy!?!
I suppose that depends on finding the money for those two full-backs which appears that one could be on the never never (over 3 years?) while the other must be cash upfront.
3 Posted 28/12/2021 at 07:40:24
But with the Ukranian apparently lined up and Nkounkou to come back with what I imagine will have been a decent experience with Liege, this could be inevitably good business for the club and an appropriate parting of ways for player and club in terms of timing.
4 Posted 28/12/2021 at 07:52:18
5 Posted 28/12/2021 at 08:53:02
I think the lad has weakness in defending, and I remember him getting a real roasting off Traore when Wolves whacked us at home in their first season back; and once opposing teams cottoned on to his breaks forward, he's become much less effective in that department.
If he stays, well, he's part of the squad... but, if we can sell him, I think that's good business for our club. Not only have we Nkounkou coming back and hopefully a new fullback coming in, we also have Godfrey who's not done so bad at all at left-back.
I don't know if we'll get the young Rangers right back, but if we do then we begin to look a lot stronger on both sides of defence. But my view on the transfer situation is that we if get these two young full-backs, we'll have to make do and mend until the end of the season (at least!) when we begin to lose some of those expensive players who are neither use nor ornament.
I cannot see Ramsey being brought in (if at all!) on the wages that have been muted. The same goes for Coutinho, should any of the rumours be believed.
Mind you, I thought Coutinho was a top class player when at Liverpool; but, if Barcelona aren't playing him, you'd wonder why?
Well, the thing is, we can't, by the look of it, go shopping at Harrods (or even Woolies!) so I think it will be scouring the "On Loan" department in the car bootie.
Perhaps in the Summer, we can make more changes, but I think that the remainder of this season is about not getting dragged into a relegation fight; and if we can stay mid-table, that'd do me for this season.
6 Posted 28/12/2021 at 09:37:02
Arthur, McKennie, Mykolenko and Patterson would represent a strong reinforcement of half of our team. I had heard that Kusulevski was a possible winger addition instead of Arthur which would also represent good business.
If Newcastle paid good money for Holgate, you could see that money being used on a centre-forward.
7 Posted 28/12/2021 at 10:03:51
I wouldn't expect much more than Mykolenko and Patterson in January - even if Holgate and Digne leave.
Maybe a loan? Maybe another lower cost signing?
Shame, since I'd love Kulusevki and McKennie at the club - but we really need to be hunting for and developing the younger and much, much cheaper models, like Walemark and Swedberg who are doing so well as teenagers in the Swedish league Kulusevski came from.
Though not ready yet, they could inherit the positions of Townsend and Doucoure in a couple of years.
8 Posted 28/12/2021 at 10:06:01
9 Posted 28/12/2021 at 10:06:28
10 Posted 28/12/2021 at 10:31:34
Unless Juve are in very serious financial strife (which they may be with the investigation ongoing) then we probably need to find the new versions of McKennie and Kulusevski.
Really it is all about building a side for the Bramley-Moore Dock era now, there will be no shortcut to success.
11 Posted 28/12/2021 at 10:48:45
I've seen him hit some good free-kicks and crosses but not nearly often enough and his positional play and defending have cost us dear at times. Not a patch on Bainsey at his best!
12 Posted 28/12/2021 at 10:52:38
I hope your predictions of selling Mina and Richarlison are wrong but I fear you may be right. I mean someone explain to me why we would sell Digne, Mina and Richarlison when we are sitting 15th in the Premier League, to sell our best attacker, our best defender, and a player who has been selected by all our previous managers.
I know people will point to Mina's injury record and, while I agree it is a worry, surely with our current options to replace him, we are only making the team weaker.
13 Posted 28/12/2021 at 10:55:54
14 Posted 28/12/2021 at 10:59:19
As for Richarlison, I think he would have gone last summer had Covid-19 not hit the market. The emergence of Gray and Gordon should lessen the blow but we need to reinvest in our very limited attack.
The players are always out there.
15 Posted 28/12/2021 at 11:20:21
Energetic, hard working and versatile. He's even played centre back. The holding midfielder / sweeper that I keep banging on about to close the gap?
Still only 23 as well.
16 Posted 28/12/2021 at 11:20:27
17 Posted 28/12/2021 at 11:41:06
There will also be a number of players departing at the end of their contract that should create space on the wage bill - Tosun, the Nameless One, Delph, Kenny etc.
18 Posted 28/12/2021 at 11:42:51
I don't see the point or logic of a swap between Digne and Ramsey – very different players, different positions and different stages in their careers. I see that Sevilla are in for Martial on loan with no option or obligation to buy. Surely he should be an option that we should be considering. If he can bring in 5-6 goals, that alone would be worth paying his wages.
Ideally, sell Digne for cash (~£20 million) and use that money to buy the Ukranian lad. On the right-back front, my thoughts have changed to giving Kenny an opportunity to prove himself until summer – he gave a decent account of himself when asked to against Chelsea. Otherwise, we dip into the market then.
I have a sneaky feeling that Benitez may make an effort to get Koulibaly in – given his past history with the player at Napoli – with possibly Mina going in the opposite direction.
19 Posted 28/12/2021 at 12:34:05
20 Posted 28/12/2021 at 13:19:13
21 Posted 28/12/2021 at 13:31:53
I wouldn't want to see anyone leave in January, but Digne's situation is coming across as irretrievable. There's mentions of loan deals for him from Inter and Chelsea. I don't really get this at all unless was it is a loan with an onto buy at 25m or whatever the valuation is. I mean what if he gets badly injured in May, then send him back.
I'd also like us to be trying to sign McKennie if Juve are after Digne. Or even if they're not, but probably a long shot.
22 Posted 28/12/2021 at 13:54:57
Also talk of Barkley coming back on loan probably see digne going to Chelsea with Barkley coming back.
23 Posted 28/12/2021 at 14:29:59
We can only hope this new kid coming in hits the ground running
24 Posted 28/12/2021 at 14:33:06
Unless it comes with an obligation to buy, injuries or whatever, I really don't get why.
25 Posted 28/12/2021 at 14:35:05
26 Posted 28/12/2021 at 14:38:19
27 Posted 28/12/2021 at 14:43:55
We may not know the truth regarding them and may only find out when certain players and managers write their memoirs and even then is it the real truth. Nobody will blame themselves.
Digne looked very good for a while then like so many players this season have been sub-standard never mind the injuries.
Surely the new year will see a big improvement all around.
The next crop of fixtures seem to give Everton the opportunity to get some decent points at least on paper.
Although all games are tough the next really tough one will be City again at the end of January.
They are without doubt the best club in Britain and one can't help admire them. Money helps of course but they can be beaten on the rare occasion.
The next few weeks needs to see Everton get enough points to get back to a solid mid-table position before that City game.
Aaron Ramsey would do okay on a free for a season but that's all.
28 Posted 28/12/2021 at 14:44:33
29 Posted 28/12/2021 at 15:41:28
Digne is out the door so best get the money required for losing a player who will be very good in a top team. £25 million in is realistic ask.
Myko is on the way in for approx £17m last check. You are trading years on a contract for a future. Fine, I don't necessarily like that it happened because Rafa is a knob but okay.
Patterson at right back is a necessity and the remainder from Digne should cover it if you get that £25m. Don't know where the money for Myko is coming for without either.
Holgate out the door should be something we can live with as Jarrod is a talent that can replace him. Still leaving us with 4. (3.5 if you look at Mina that way.) given the contract situation I would look to trade up on Mina in the summer.
Any money we get for Holgate, and any spare should be invested in the 19-25 age range that McKennie/Kusulevski/other category fulfil. A midfielder with an engine, a winger with goal/assist output, a striker with a similar profile to DCL would all be welcome.
30 Posted 28/12/2021 at 16:28:50
Look at Villa fanboards/Twitter last season, and Chelsea this season any time Barkley plays and they read similar to ours when Iwobi plays.
31 Posted 28/12/2021 at 16:46:34
Ajay #18, you do love that Koulibaly daydream, don't you? Again, no chance. Team leader and fan favorite for a club having an excellent season. And he's gonna leave for a bottom-half team in England? Never in the world.
32 Posted 28/12/2021 at 17:13:09
These would be commanding big fees, massive wages, and a mentality not what we need.
We need players looking to prove themselves, accepting to join a club in the bottom half and striving to drive us forward. Not players who will be chatting with their agents the minute it becomes clear we ain't getting to the top-6/4.
Young players proven from the championship, and Europe's 'b-leagues' and young players looking for a chance from the 'big' clubs.
33 Posted 28/12/2021 at 18:07:28
Let's close that fantasy chapter, and look at reality, as you so succinctly highlighted. We can't turn the Clock, or the Water Under The Bridge back, so please, please let us learn from past mistakes and unbalanced, overpaid players making up the squad.
If Holgate is indeed a target for Newcastle (prayers do come true, if he is) let's try and get Almiron as part of the deal. Forget that he looks like Peter Lorre's lovechild, he is a grafter, doesn't shirk responsibility, and has much needed energy and a chance of goals from midfield.
Let's (hopefully try and get a squad (eventually) of good but not too high profile players, who are willing to put in a good shift.
34 Posted 28/12/2021 at 18:10:24
What a major major backwards step that would be. Please god no.
35 Posted 28/12/2021 at 18:32:04
Very Everton that.
36 Posted 28/12/2021 at 18:59:41
He would have a serious point to prove if he came back here but I can't see it happening. Match going blues (who sat by me at the time) couldn't wait to see the back of him and let him know that in no uncertain terms every time he took a corner.
No wonder he fucked off and had us with our kecks down and I for one don't blame him for doing so. Also, the comparison with Iwobi is just embarrassing.
I'm not advocating Barkley's return by the way, far from it. I think he's much to fond of the ale now.
However, even with a hangover, could he be much worse than some of the jokers who are stealing a living with us at the moment ?
37 Posted 28/12/2021 at 19:44:49
Face facts, Everton are not buying their way into the top 6.
At least Everton would have a team we could call ours then.
Get rid of the garbage that's been holding this club back for decades.
38 Posted 28/12/2021 at 20:26:49
Take out his attacking and judge him as a left back, then I would say he has been well below average at defending.
I like Digne because he offers Everton something going forward, but at the same time you want your left back to be strong when on the backfoot.
Elsewhere teams may give Digne the luxury of attacking, but Benitez wants a left back that is strong defending, I can see where the Manager is coming from, get the defence stronger.
No doubting Digne is still a quality player, whether he stays or goes, I am 60/40 in favour of moving now while his stock is still high.
If we nail the left and right spot in January, and they both gel, then we can sort the midfield out, in the summer, when more funds will be available.
I can see us landing a right back, left back already sorted,and reckon any further incoming will be loans, to see us through the season.
39 Posted 28/12/2021 at 21:02:06
40 Posted 29/12/2021 at 02:25:47
41 Posted 29/12/2021 at 02:44:14
42 Posted 29/12/2021 at 05:07:57
He has pushed out the DOF, some of the medical staff, now Digne. Who is next?
The red Echo had an article last week quoting I think 13 players he had forced out of the ranks of the rs.
The FSW is a dictator who creates mayhem then leaves.
43 Posted 29/12/2021 at 05:44:19
But this is Everton, and we don't do triumphant returns. I hope Barkley works it out but it won't be here. Need to find somebody else.
44 Posted 29/12/2021 at 06:08:35
Not sure anyone is fully behind “this prick†but I think it's more of case of hoping for the best as he's evidently won the boardroom battle. There was a Kieran Magiuire interview today saying Everton couldn't sack him due to FFP.so either we hope for the best, or we assume things will get even worse. What's better for your mental health mate?
45 Posted 29/12/2021 at 07:51:22
Mind you, rumor has it we are looking at Ramsey.. another bad option, hard to chose between the two of them..
46 Posted 29/12/2021 at 08:07:11
47 Posted 29/12/2021 at 08:13:33
Jay @ 36; "...However, even with a hangover, could he be much worse than some of the jokers who are stealing a living with us at the moment ?"
Oh yes indeed - just as bad in a different way probably
48 Posted 29/12/2021 at 08:18:41
On Barkley, I'm torn. Watching him when he came on against Chelsea, I turned to the person next to me and said I'd have him in this team tomorrow.
But there's the old adage about never going back. There's bad blood. Okay there was with Rooney, but time was the healer there. And also, if we believe the media stories, wasn't there off-pitch issues with him in the City too?
Like I say, torn, because as a footballer, he is probably a very useful addition to this current squad. Which shows how little we have progressed since he left.
But the number 10 we need? That's where I'd play him. The irony considering that transfer window not so long ago when we bought about 6 of them!!!!
49 Posted 29/12/2021 at 08:45:47
I doubt if there has been a 'falling out' between Benitez and Digne. There is a good chance that an offer came in for him earlier this month, which the club accepted with a view to using the funds to improve the squad overall, and he is being omitted to avoid injury. .
At least the cancellations mean that we do not need to listen to Benitez bullshit his way through the press conferences, as to why Digne is not being selected to play, like he did with James earlier this season.
50 Posted 29/12/2021 at 09:01:37
51 Posted 29/12/2021 at 09:07:03
Up until last night, I thought Iwobi was probably the worst player in the prem but Leicester's, Soumare can now share that dubious honour.
As for Digne, I like the lad but he's been poor this calendar year and it would be nice to have a fullback who can defend ie stop crosses.
52 Posted 29/12/2021 at 09:12:41
He has been one of our best players since he arrived even if his form has declined this year.
He will be missed but selling good players in their late 20s makes good business sense, better to get your money back with some profit to re-invest than preside over a players decline into a unsellable high wage earner.
Hopefully someone rich might find £25m to buy Digne this January but a loan with obligation to buy might work also. I'd not be that surprised if he hung around till the summer especially as Mykolenko will need time to adjust.
The likes of Ramsay and Barkley are not attractive though both could offer something if the deal was right, which it's not likely to be. Names like Koulibaly and Mckennie are pipe dreams given our current financial and footballing position. If we sell a big name this summer (Richarlison?) then perhaps there will be money to spend.
If we are selling Digne with Mykolenko coming in (£17m is overpriced in my opinion) then it makes sense to get a RB too; Paterson for £6-9m is interesting (though Calvin Ramsay may be better value). After that I'd imagine a loan or Demarai Gray-esque bargain. We lack central midfielders with dynamism (bar Doucoure) and could use a younger Barkley type player; Golovin from Monaco is handy but won't be cheap. I'd not be that surprised to see Ross himself given one last opportunity, so long as there was no loan fee it would be a very low risk if unpopular move.
53 Posted 29/12/2021 at 09:26:16
Given the status and finances of our club - where is our recruitment from France, Portugal, Belgium and the Netherlands where talent is cheap and comes on a conveyor belt? Beyond that, Scotland and Scandinavia and Eastern Europe where it is cheaper still.
I am racking my brains for who we have bought in the u23 age category (or indeed any category) from these reliable markets which serve clubs in England, Germany, Italy and Spain so well - and helped clubs with less resources than us to do good things.
Maybe Mirallas, Fellaini, Oviedo and Klaasen but struggling to think of others (I'm sure there must be others).
If you add to that we've also neglected the very good value offered in North America (since Moyes), South America (since Funes Mori) and Asia (altogether) then it highlights a really unimaginative approach to recruitment and a lack of keeping up with peers across Europe.
54 Posted 29/12/2021 at 09:27:32
The manager seems like a dog with a bone.
I don't swear often in public, but he appears to have come into the club and thought "what the fuck is going on here".
Regardless of what people think of him, myself included, he has managed several of Europe's biggest and most successful clubs. And he is a master of taking the emotion out of it, which is what we have needed for a long time. Otherwise you could have put me in charge.
We might just learn off him. He might just create the disruption we need that causes change. Even if his stay is only 2 or 3 years until we march to Bramley Moore Dock.
55 Posted 29/12/2021 at 09:32:54
I recognise that Barkley splits opinion, I for one would take him on loan (always liked him) and believe he would have a point to prove. Personally I would rather have Van De Beek on a loan to buy. I fear however this is out of our price range, I laugh at some of the suggestions on here, Koulibaly seriously? Why in buggery would he want to come to us? We are in a mess (we can't even say transition, Arsenal are in transition, our situation still constitutes as a mess I'm afraid).
We need to build around the likes of Branthwaite, Dobbin, Onyango and Gordon mostly because of the financial situation we find ourselves in. Let's give them time on the pitch, allow them to learn from mistakes (many on here won't allow this of course) and start using Moshiri's money how we should have done since day one. For me, I would be looking at signing the Patterson's and Brennan Johnson's of this world all day long.
56 Posted 29/12/2021 at 10:06:28
Like them Benitez is experienced enough to know what a well run club looks like. And it's nothing like Everton.
Whether he's successful in changing things, only time will tell - but at least he is trying.
57 Posted 29/12/2021 at 10:14:07
58 Posted 29/12/2021 at 11:21:24
59 Posted 29/12/2021 at 11:22:11
From my seat (to coin a much loved and respected phrase on here), too many cooks in the kitchen, too much interference and a total lack of transfer strategy.
The closest we came to having anything resembling a decent window was summer 2020. A blend of young potential (Godfrey & Nkounko), experience (Allan) guile & the ability to deliver moments of brilliance (James Rodriguez) and a relatively unknown, but something we needed (Doucoure). And then much needed backup and competition for the keeper (Olsen), which seems to have had a hopefully lasting positive impact on Jordan Pickford.
Prior to that we approached transfers like Harry Enfield's 1980s Loads of Money character. Literally throwing it around with not a care in the world or where it was going. We must have been an agent's dream and might as well have set fire to it.
But back to your point. Why we are not tapping those north-western European markets up more is beyond me. Likewise, North America. I believe there is a lot of talent out there.
Without wanting to go down old arguments, maybe it's the Finch Farm culture we need to change. We seem to be sitting and waiting for the next Croxteth born Wayne Rooney to happen. For the Everton equivalent of the class of 92 to suddenly appear from Huyton.
People who have bothered reading and listening to me know how much I care about grass roots and in particular, local talent. But at first team level, we have seriously been missing a trick or seven.
Blend. A blend of bringing on young talent, combining it with spotting good talent elsewhere and then making astute signings of experienced players alongside them.
60 Posted 29/12/2021 at 11:30:48
61 Posted 29/12/2021 at 11:35:51
62 Posted 29/12/2021 at 11:43:23
Watched a bit of the shite game as was out with wife and kids - always amazes me how they play and no one counters it. It's basically whack it forward with some loopy cross/pass and everyone chase the fuck out of it and pressure the defence facing their own goal. And score. Call it what you like, gegenpress, heavy metal football, whatever. The real trick is getting the players to buy into it and do it (and provide the dodgy nutrition to do it). Have to hand it to the cry-arsing two faced German whingebag, turning so many average players into world beaters is quite a feat.
63 Posted 29/12/2021 at 11:50:25
As for Barkley… it's a hard pass from me. We need players who are going to work hard defensively and keep the ball moving - and neither of those are Barkley's strengths.
64 Posted 29/12/2021 at 11:55:10
Is it the same Barkley that's scored four in fifty four appearances for Chelsea, a team full of superstars?
£15m?
I have some maaaaaaaagic beans for sale. :-)
65 Posted 29/12/2021 at 12:16:47
66 Posted 29/12/2021 at 12:19:14
67 Posted 29/12/2021 at 12:20:20
We have recruited badly previously in terms of value for money, technical ability, pace, age, resale value, and lastly character.
£15m and £120k a week for Barkley would show we have learnt nothing. No resale value, poor attitude, poor delivery, poor injury record. Would a Leipzeg etc buy him? Would they fuck.
68 Posted 29/12/2021 at 12:30:48
His biggest issue is that he goes missing. He just offers nothing, combativeness, no desire. He can put a decent pass here and there, but that's it
Our biggest issue in midfield is how easily we get overrun. We need players who will battle and take a game by the scruff.
Barkley is absolutely not what we need.
69 Posted 29/12/2021 at 12:38:54
I thinks we have enough in our squad to get us through until next summer as the Jan transfer window is notoriously difficult to find value in. Rebuild when the frees are released and FFP is slowly disappearing in the rear-view mirror.
Gone are the days of a one club man; the players are a commodity. They provide a service for a fee, and then move on to the next payday. We need to get out our heads around that we will ever retain players long enough to build a squad around - football is constantly evolving, so should we! There are plenty of examples of this around the European Leagues.
70 Posted 29/12/2021 at 13:54:44
Ian @67, you're right, Leipzig wouldn't be remotely interested. Asking, 'would Leipzig buy this player' is not a bad way to sense check recruitment.
For our stage of development / limited budget, you might also ask 'would David Moyes buy this player'.
The former helps plan for the long term around Champions League potential youth. The latter helps rebuild a best of the rest type side in the short to medium term.
71 Posted 29/12/2021 at 14:09:27
On the plus side Iwobi is off to Afcon for January. Happy New Year Blues
72 Posted 29/12/2021 at 14:26:19
73 Posted 29/12/2021 at 14:37:46
74 Posted 29/12/2021 at 16:45:54
Very very occasionally in some seasons he does something very remarkable but, for almost all of the rest of the time, he's anonymous and, worse to me, anonymous by choice.
I take no pleasure in deeming him weak-willed (possibly as a result of the terrible leg break he got in his junior years) but he shirks tackles and any sort of physical confrontation. He's therefore not at all what we need.
It's bad enough having his dreadlocked doppelganger here already.
75 Posted 29/12/2021 at 16:59:45
On the other hand, I find it a bit worrisome that one of our top players (and Vice Captain no less) basically gets frozen out and shipped off for so much as questioning Benitez's tactics.
If we were winning, or he had genuine credit in the bank, the "my way or the highway" approach would be easier to get behind, but the jury's still out on whether we're being led off a cliff by a buffoon.
Barkley on loan would be relatively harmless business, but his issue has always been confidence and consistency, neither of which have improved during his years away. But he might chip in a couple of much-needed goals from midfield.
76 Posted 29/12/2021 at 18:51:52
But, in my world, a “manager†ostracising a key asset to show control would be right up in front of the Board to be reminded of their duty to protect the interests of the stakeholders, owners and fans. They're not here to boost their own egos.
Maybe that was Brands's view too?
77 Posted 29/12/2021 at 19:11:40
If it was just about ego and showing control, I'd agree with you. But we don't know that to be the case here.
It's the manager's job to dictate how he wants the players to play -- and many will sit them down if they can't or won't. The "my-way-or-the-highway" thing.
We'll likely never know how much of the falling-out between Benitez and Digne was about footballing differences, and how much was about clashing egos.
78 Posted 29/12/2021 at 19:20:28
We need better quality than Barkley, and one with a more tenacious combative skill set. I'm thinking of a Gana or Kante type of young midfielder to play with Allan, either side of Doucouré in a midfield three, fighting for possession, feeding Richarlison, Gordon or Gray and allowing the excellent Doucoure more freedom to burst forward and support attacks.
I think the signing of this midfielder will then see us controlling games better. Rather than being permanently on the back foot. Control has to be fought for and I think we are missing a midfield fighter who can also play a bit too.
We have to create a midfield that allows us to exploit Doucoure's goal threat. He's a 10-goal plus midfielder in the right set-up.
79 Posted 29/12/2021 at 19:35:10
Also, anyone know how Nkounkou is doing at Liege? 12 months ago, everyone was very excited about him at left-back.
80 Posted 29/12/2021 at 19:37:39
I don't know that Benitez ostracised him or whether he wouldn't or couldn't do what our manager wanted him to do. I don't know whether against Chelsea, he was sick (or wouldn't play?) but he may well want to leave. Who knows?
Digne had a really good first season, though Traore tore him to shreds when Wolves beat us in their first season back in the Premier League.
After that season, I think he became less and less effective at getting crosses into the box, and I didn't see him as a top defender either.
Anyway, as a "professional" footballer, he was there to play to best of his ability to the manager's style of play. If he won't or can't, then there's no point in keeping him. I think Godfrey is a much stronger and faster player, so I'm happy enough to see him in the full-back roll... or anywhere in our defence, or maybe even midfield.
81 Posted 29/12/2021 at 19:39:15
My understanding was that Rafa was keen on bringing in Longstaff from Newcastle maybe in exchange for Tom Davies or Mason Holgate?
As always, the transfer market is a bit of a gamble and in recent years we have had more losses than winners. Let's hope Rafa has a little black book full of potential winners.
82 Posted 29/12/2021 at 19:44:07
The fact that Chelsea, Juventus and Inter may be interested in Digne doesn't surprise me – he is the left-back in the French national team. I hope the signings pay off for sure, but there is a feeling of blind optimism about this…
83 Posted 29/12/2021 at 19:49:26
Totally respect your point (and most you make on this site) and indeed it may be that Digne has made himself “unplayable “ but based on how Benitez has conducted himself in the past as a Mr Big, I have my reservations that yet again.
Everton will be getting rid of a superb player with great pedigree (and the right age etc…) on the whim of an insecure manager with a short shelf-life.
84 Posted 29/12/2021 at 20:00:11
Steve @82, of course most of us don't know enough about Mykolenko and Patterson; that's because we're not scouts. If we're buying them out of blind optimism, then that would be absurd. I strongly suspect that is not so.
85 Posted 29/12/2021 at 20:02:38
If not, it's good bit of business, as long as the replacements hit the ground running.
Benitez does what he wants and gives no fucks.
86 Posted 29/12/2021 at 20:09:15
I welcome him being moved on. He seemed like a different player when he first arrived.
87 Posted 29/12/2021 at 20:16:51
Dinge has been particularly at fault for this for almost the entire time he has been here. Take away his forward runs and set-piece plays, which have disappeared for many many games now, and he is shown up as the liability he is for us.
Put him in a team where the entire defence and midfield works as a unit, he will thrive. This is not us. Sell and use the money better.
88 Posted 29/12/2021 at 20:17:25
If we can't sell him or, second best, loan him out, then obviously, we're stuck with him.
If it's true that we have all but signed Mykolenko, then we have Godfrey who can do a good job there if the lad needs time to adjust. Equally, we need a right-back and the if the sale goes through, then we might be able to afford the lad from Rangers.
We don't need telling that Seamus is losing it, and I'd hope he could be around to fill in as and when, rather than, see him failing in front of us.
89 Posted 29/12/2021 at 20:23:46
90 Posted 29/12/2021 at 20:24:19
And the young man is certainly learning lessons about surviving rough times. Liege, a traditional Belgian power, is having an absolutely miserable season.
91 Posted 29/12/2021 at 20:34:19
What struck me most about this situation, however, was how well Godfrey replaced him. In his first game at left-back after Digne's exile, Godfrey gave us more in both attack and defense than Digne had at any point this season. He was electrifying at times.
And while I've only seen Mykolenko play once, I think he is just the sort of player we should be transitioning to -- younger, faster, and considerably less expensive at the pay window every week than the man he'll be replacing.
92 Posted 29/12/2021 at 20:49:40
93 Posted 29/12/2021 at 20:55:01
And his hamstring bursting when it did is the reason we didn't get the fee we thought we could/should. Chelsea wasn't going to sign him pre-surgery for anything like his player-market value at the time. And they could always say post-surgery, and likely did, "We're taking all the risk on his injury recurring."
So we got what we could, £15 million, instead of watching him leave for free a year later. There's plenty of good examples of Club ineptitude. The Barkley deal isn't one of them.
He turned 28 a couple weeks ago. Experience- and age-wise, Ross is sitting dead center of his prime years. Yet, the most he ever produced (by far) was with us, when he was still learning his trade.
He's pretty much been a failure or a fringe player at Chelsea and they've been trying to dump him for a while now. 5 years on, £15 million looking pretty good business for a player turned out to be a talented bust.
94 Posted 29/12/2021 at 20:56:11
But I don't recall much else about him.
95 Posted 29/12/2021 at 21:06:54
96 Posted 29/12/2021 at 21:42:17
I suspect the initial excitement generated by the sales patter getting him here has vanished with ensuing reality and dismay at how monumentally shit this club is. Nothing as demotivating as starting a new job full of optimism only to find it's the same or worse than the last place a few months down the line.
Happens a lot at this club but doubtless his mojo will return at a professionally run outfit. Benitez better get his replacement right – big gamble for the Caldy dweller.
97 Posted 29/12/2021 at 21:55:31
Anyone who's got the time can look back at Ancelotti's last game, a 5-0 defeat to be precise. Davies tries to switch the ball out wide to Digne, but it goes out of play, leaving our left-back shaking his head and puffing his cheeks.
Ten minutes later, Allan tries the same ball with exactly the same consequences, except our left-back is totally different, shouting at our Brazilian midfielder, until he turns to look, and then he got a 👠which told me all's I need to know, unfortunately.
I heard Benitez wasn't fussed on Digne from what he witnessed when he arrived, and I'm sure this was replicated by at least half the Everton crowd, because one thing that I've heard quite often this season, is the left-back has been getting away with murder because there hasn't been any competition for his place.
98 Posted 29/12/2021 at 22:40:56
99 Posted 29/12/2021 at 23:18:18
I can only assume he is trying to get Iwobi in the shop window but, let's face it, he has targeted a right- and left-back.
He told Gordon he did not have 90 mins in him for the time being, but he has now been given more game time. With every game, Gordon has got better. He has also been chatting to Dobbin and trying to convince him to sign a new contract.
How long Benitez will be here no-one knows, but I hope he is here long enough to keep shaking the club up – and rest assured he will have Tosun off the payroll in January and possibly Delph and Holgate.
Gray and Townsend have been decent signings, the two full-backs he is after sound decent, so it could be a very interesting second half to the season with our main striker returning as well.
We'll never have a better chance of getting some of these out of the door while he is on watch. The second half of the season is when we will find out if Benitez – with injured players returning, and signings coming in – is up to the task.
At the moment, his task with what he had to go with is up there with Lewis Hamilton driving Del Boy's three-wheeler and expecting results.
100 Posted 30/12/2021 at 00:30:01
Digne: rinse whoever for as much as we can and invest it wisely. Which again should rule out Barkley or Ramsey.
101 Posted 29/12/2021 at 00:34:39
We are restricted with FFP but he buys an unknown left-back because he has fallen out with a French international left-back. That's not helping the club or team, in my opinion.
Digne is under a long contract and is one of the best left-backs in the Premier League. The new guy hasn't kicked a ball in the Premier League. How does anyone know if he will be better than what we have?
We are replacing a single point of failure with another. Surely we need to keep Digne to add competition to the squad. What happens when Calvert-Lewin or Richarlison look at him sideways?
The manager is getting away with more than most due to his past reputation. In reality, he has stunk the place out. Tactically, we look disjointed and weak defending set plays. Has anyone spotted any improvements under Benitez?
102 Posted 30/12/2021 at 00:49:47
Digne told his agent to see if a title or Champions League contender is interested, since we are going nowhere currently, while he's turning 29. Not winning anything with us, plus his last crack at a pay increase.
The club got wind of it (or Digne's agent told them), needs financial elbow room for January signing(s), and Rafa is keeping him in bubble wrap to avoid injury.
103 Posted 30/12/2021 at 01:13:12
If any player exchange with Chelsea is involved, I'd push for Conor Gallagher over Barkley.
104 Posted 30/12/2021 at 04:32:10
Soucek is an unknown name to most of us until Moyes gave him a chance. That's what the scouts should have done. Obviously it is not working in the last few years.
I am not sure if Vitality is any good. It could be just the process of rinse and clean that we need to do which the DOF fails.
105 Posted 30/12/2021 at 05:17:36
IMO Billy Gilmour has more potential and I wouldn't mind a cheeky tilt at Pulisic who is not getting a regular runout.
106 Posted 30/12/2021 at 14:14:20
Well he proved he was a good player but recent comments suggest he's gone off the boil so the question must be "Why?"
My view comes from the recurring theme his Everton career represents.
The number of players who start well then disintegrate (Schneiderlin, Gomes etc) is colossal and it's easy to blame the manager but he's had so many!!
I really think players come to the realisation this is a basket-case of a club and give up. I might be wrong, of course, but I can't think that way in case I come out in hives.
107 Posted 30/12/2021 at 14:18:54
This is why we have to start making a big play for the cups.
108 Posted 30/12/2021 at 16:58:30
109 Posted 30/12/2021 at 17:05:07
His form is totally off and we will be looking to replace him with a high-potential, hungry younger player. I think this is exactly the right transfer strategy – buy hungry 23- or 24-year-olds, sell for more than purchased if they go off the boil or want away before their resale value declines significantly. Offer a new contract to those who do work out.
Yes, our recruitment has been utterly woeful under Moshiri but one of the most tragic aspects of it has been our inability to shift players on who don't work out. Just look at Schneiderlin, Bolasie, Sigurdsson, Tosun, Delph and arguably Gomes too (though I still hope we find the old André before the season is out). We won't get more than a handful of beans for that outlay of circa £150M, criminal!
I for one will wave Digne off with a "Thank you for your service," and move on, satisfied we got one right for a change.
110 Posted 30/12/2021 at 17:10:49
This club is Groundhog Day Shite.
111 Posted 30/12/2021 at 17:42:08
You never know whether the new guy will be better than the incumbent, but at least we know he's a whole lot younger, a whole lot faster and a whole lot cheaper, and has played a bit in the Champions League and for his country -- just as Digne had.
Barry #106, I'll only agree with half your point. Gomes didn't disintegrate. He is what he has always been. (As for Schneiderlin, he got married. 'Nuff said.)
112 Posted 30/12/2021 at 20:02:16
113 Posted 30/12/2021 at 22:02:10
I just don't agree with selling our better players. We have been selling our better players for 30 years and got absolutely nowhere.
Even if this kid is fantastic he still won't have any competition for his place.
We can't surely loan Digne to Chelsea. How can a relegation threatened team have an Italian striker and French left back out on loan! Madness.
114 Posted 31/12/2021 at 00:57:02
I did find Window rumors going back as far as the Winter 2020 window, which I'd guess had to do with Ancelotti being our manager.
And here we are again. 30-year old midfielder. It shows he's played 12 games this season.
I don't remember him or the rumors. Ever see him play?
115 Posted 31/12/2021 at 01:11:17
Jeez. That didn't last long.
116 Posted 31/12/2021 at 10:34:20
117 Posted 31/12/2021 at 12:23:41
118 Posted 01/01/2022 at 10:45:58
I would say the same for any player who has been in poor form for so long. Everton just seem to cling on to too many poor players for too long and end up getting zero money back: Gomes, Iwobi, Tosun & Delph are 4 such players. Get rid of the lot of 'em – they are garbage.
119 Posted 04/01/2022 at 10:55:06
Everton's 30 year problem has not been, for the most part, the players, it's been the club. We have now seen a succession of innovative / successful / world class managers fail ignominiously from which it is impossible not to conclude that there is a much deeper problem. I've written elsewhere about the failed strategic vision of Kenwright, which I believe may be at the heart of the matter, but I think we need a root and branch reform which may or may not succeed, but the current path is Championship and quite possible bankruptcy and collapse.
Also, isn't the experience of Walcott and Iwobi sufficient to demonstrate that Arsenal rejects are really not a good idea? Given that this is Everton, I suspect the alternative wil be that we go back to buying players who are useless with Manchester United instead.
120 Posted 04/01/2022 at 13:24:12
121 Posted 04/01/2022 at 17:58:41
Glad to see the back of Lukaku?
OMG – as the kids say!
122 Posted 05/01/2022 at 19:13:50
Those two aren't handicapped with Rafa as manager either.
Grim.
123 Posted 05/01/2022 at 22:11:30
I'd rather push them for 30 mil and they are welcome to keep longstaff 😂.
124 Posted 05/01/2022 at 22:39:06
125 Posted 06/01/2022 at 06:15:40
126 Posted 07/01/2022 at 05:24:07
127 Posted 07/01/2022 at 05:59:05
Digne will probably wait until the last day of the window just to spite Benitez.
128 Posted 07/01/2022 at 07:02:57
Where do you get the idea that Lukaku "poisoned the dressing room and club"?
Who in the club has ever said any such thing about him?
And as far as scoring "only against mediocre opposition"... that rings the same bell. His best goals with the club were the dance against Chelsea, the dash against City and the drive against Leicester. Quality opponents all.
129 Posted 07/01/2022 at 14:00:29
130 Posted 07/01/2022 at 14:29:20
......and I guess the next post makes it quite clear which way the poster is leaning.
131 Posted 07/01/2022 at 14:31:43
Benitez said: “I think he was very clear. I want to ask a question to every fan. What would Peter Reid do or say if a player says he doesn't want to be there? That's it, simple.
“I had a couple of conversations with him [Digne]. He told me what he thought, so what do you expect a manager to do when a player is thinking about leaving?â€
"Ask a question to every fan"??
This is so totally over top for me... I'm furious with this behaviour... First he alienates one of our best players, then he tries to justify it by saying "he doesn't want to be here"... It's because of you, FSW, that he doesn't want to be here. Trying to divert it to look like anyting else, that's purely psychotical behaviour... divide and conquer... FSW is a cancer and he needs to go...
FSW OUT NOW!
132 Posted 07/01/2022 at 14:41:10
133 Posted 07/01/2022 at 14:42:23
134 Posted 07/01/2022 at 14:42:39
This is a player who has been part of the ‘leadership Group', under successive managers, captained the team from time to time, a current full international, and you might think possibly well respected and liked in the dressing room. I wonder what the other players think, never mind Peter Reid. Who will be next?
Just focus on getting the team right you fucking bellend!
135 Posted 07/01/2022 at 14:48:16
Lukaku failed to fit in at Chelsea (twice), Everton, Manchester United and Inter Milan. He changes clubs every two years or so and has done so consistently throughout his career. This did not happen with players like Roy Keane, who though obnoxious and violent, fits well into a club structure with the right management, or the equally difficult Alan Shearer or Johann Cruyff (whose US trip can be considered just a way of making money). Pele famously only played for one real team, but then I don't think I've ever heard that he was in any sense difficult.
We know Lukaku considered Everton "too small" for his ambitions, however, since he's never succeeded anywhere else by any reasonable standards, I think we can conclude he is an obnoxious problem player like Pogba, or pre-Alex Ferguson Cantona.
As any employer will know, there is more to an enterprise than a star salesman, engineer or accountant. The benefits of having a Lukaku scoring occasionally do not outweigh the problems of a snakepit dressing room.
136 Posted 07/01/2022 at 14:53:02
137 Posted 07/01/2022 at 14:56:01
138 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:00:52
Be interesting to see what Peter Reid says now, but Rafa's position is clear: he only wants players who want to play for Everton. Fair enough really. If Digne wants out, then we need to sell him asap. Ideally I'd like to see him go abroad rather than to Newcastle, but I'm not too arsed if he goes to Chelsea. If he does go to Chelsea, it's all about the pay packet because he won't be getting a game once Chilwell is fit.
139 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:03:28
Regardless of Digne's behaviour, we can all be sure that his replacement was eyed up before the fall out so what do we take from that? That he doesn't rate Digne, that with a new contract he saw Digne as a saleable asset? Whatever the reason, he's obviously going to want to move on as he's in his prime, unlike Seamus who should have expected a direct opponent for his position to be brought in.
[BRZ]
140 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:07:31
Charles, your opening clause is a false premise. Lukaku HAS succeeded to not just reasonable standards, but very high standards at pretty much every club he has played at.
It follows then your conclusion is equally false, not helped by you doubling down by claiming that Pogba and Cantona are/were similar 'obnoxious problem players.'
141 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:13:42
Obvously if a player doesn't want to be at a club, the only option is to try and get the best deal and sell him to a new club. Whichever party is to blame, it's a problem we could have done without, given current form and injuries.
142 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:13:42
Obvously if a player doesn't want to be at a club, the only option is to try and get the best deal and sell him to a new club. Whichever party is to blame, it's a problem we could have done without, given current form and injuries.
[BRZ]
143 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:19:54
144 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:20:15
145 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:22:01
Its no fun for any player at Everton at the moment.
146 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:33:07
I don't blame any player wanting to escape the doom.
147 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:39:31
and wanted a move, he would not have made the bench"
But does he mean "if I was in charge and DIgne didn't want to play for Everton, I wouldn't even have him on the bench" or did he mean "if Digne really didn't want to play for the club, why did Rafa put him on the bench?"
148 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:40:36
149 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:43:35
150 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:50:31
151 Posted 07/01/2022 at 15:55:48
But to me, the discussion here opens up the DoF model debate, which we royally screwed up. In it's purist form, implement a football strategy and then bring in the players at all levels to deliver on that.
The first team coach is just that and, as Chelsea have proven, it almost becomes irrelevant who that is. Not entirely, but almost. That's why they've been able to freely and frequently change coaches but sustain success.
You can argue that this happens regardless whenever there's change, but the way we're approaching now is leaning towards personal preference. Again, that could be labelled at a DoF, although they would be following a strategy. Again, in its purist and properly applied way.
Forget nationality, we've gone back to the traditional British manager model. Supreme control in the hands of one. An absolute monarchy so to speak. Czarist Russia at Goodison.
It doesn't matter what we think. If he doesn't like them or he needs to move them on, they're gone. And might be to bring in his favourites and players he trusts as well as targets.
152 Posted 07/01/2022 at 16:03:22
153 Posted 07/01/2022 at 16:09:11
154 Posted 07/01/2022 at 16:15:43
155 Posted 07/01/2022 at 16:20:50
As to "he's never succeeded anywhere else by any reasonable standards", you are absolutely out of your mind. Rom led Inter to the Serie A title last season, their first in 11 years, with 24 league goals and 11 assists, a team record for total goal involvements. The season before he scored 23 league goals as Inter finished one point behind Juve (not bad for a "snakepit", eh?). All told he scored 64 in 95 for Inter. And during all that, his only disciplinary problem was that he couldn't get along with Ibra, who truly is an "obnoxious problem player." (Nobody gets along with fucking Ibra, he's the biggest ass in football.) It would be almost impossible to be MORE successful than Rom has been the past two years in Milan.
So he's not a one-club man like some of those guys you mentioned from 25 years ago. Neither is Cristiano or Hazard, and Mbappe won't be. Neither was Maradona, for that matter. So what? Some players go where the pay and the opportunity are best. And some players like to mouth off sometimes. Again, so what? That doesn't make them dressing room "poison."
Love your opinions, mate, but this one is ten yards over the crossbar and high up in the stands.
156 Posted 07/01/2022 at 16:33:31
Maybe he can regain that level, maybe not. But it obviously won't happen with us.
157 Posted 07/01/2022 at 16:36:16
158 Posted 07/01/2022 at 16:38:47
Danny (151) does that put Kenwright in the role of Rasputin?
159 Posted 10/01/2022 at 11:18:47
£8M for a struggling team to lose the experience and general consistency of a good player, risking it for the potential of a relatively unknown young international player.
In the short term at least, we appear to be weakening our first team which we can ill afford to do.
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