'Wantaway' Gordon no-shows at training amid Newcastle speculation

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Updated Anthony Gordon failed to report for training for a third day running yesterday, apparently in an effort to force through a move away from the club as Newcastle United are reportedly close to agreeing a deal for the 21-year-old.

Gordon was reportedly given permission to miss the first session overseen by Leighton Baines and Paul Tait on Tuesday but he was absent without leave on Wednesday and, despite reports that would be back at Finch Farm yesterday, he again didn't show.

The winger was the subject of serious interest from all three of Newcastle, Tottenham and Chelsea last summer, with the West London club having a reported bid of £42m rejected by Everton who were wary of losing another important player following the sale of Richarlison to Spurs in June.

There was a feeling that Gordon's head had been turned by the overtures from other clubs and has failed to recapture the form he showed last season in helping the Blues avoid relegation and in the early matches of the current campaign.

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A bumper new contract to replace the one that expires in the summer of 2024 for the homegrown product that was said to be close to agreement during the break for the World Cup has remained unsigned.

Now it appears as though Gordon is using the instability at Everton caused by the sacking of manager Frank Lampard and the imminent transfer deadline to secure a big-money move away, with a report in the Daily Mail claiming he has vowed not to return to the Blues.

Newcastle have been leading the chase for the Liverpool-born player and, according to Paul Joyce of The Times, he held preliminary talks with the Magpies earlier this week. Fabrizio Romano goes as far as to claim that Gordon has already agreed personal terms although the clubs remained far apart on valuation, with Everton likely needing to reduce their £55m valuation, something that Matt Law in The Telegraph says they now have done.

With the Toffees club badly in need of funds to bring fresh players in themselves before the deadline, the latest reports claim that a structured deal worth a total of £45m could be in the works.

 

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Roger Helm
1 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:05:20
He has a very mediocre return in terms of goals and assists, as well as a bad attitude if he is refusing to train. Get rid.
Gerry Quinn
2 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:47:58
Jilted John sang it correctly:

"Gordon is a moron, Gordon is a moron, Gordon is a moron"

Jay Harris
3 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:52:43
There is no defense of this sort of behaviour. Stick him in the U21s and fine his arse to the maximum. Too many players are taking the piss at Everton.
Ray Robinson
4 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:53:35
If it's true that he has stayed away of his own accord as opposed to being told to remain absent pending a transfer, I will have lost all respect for the lad and he wouldn't be the sort I'd want in the trenches in the battle against relegation.

He could turn out to be a great player but I somehow doubt it.

Rumours are that Obana is turning down offers to move because he wants to help Everton fight relegation. That's my type of player.

Brett Jonathan
5 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:53:41
This only goes one way. Gordon doesn't show up. No one buys him. We get stuck with a player who doesn't want to be here and are forced to wind his 18 month contract down to pennies.
Kieran Kinsella
6 Posted 26/01/2023 at 15:57:53
Brett

That is what worries me. Regardless of whether they rate him as a player, will Newcastle or anyone else be impressed by this? Will they drop their interest thinking he is a malcontent? Then he'll be stuck here sulking for 18 months. Like George Hirst

Dave Lynch
7 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:00:14
Yes Brett.
And he fucks up his career. Another Rodwell in the making if you ask me, believes his own press and thinks to highly of himself.
Michael Lynch
8 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:01:15
Brett, or more likely it goes the Ross Barkley way - he comes on as a late sub against Arsenal, does his ACL and is out til Christmas. We end up selling him for £8m to Nottingham Forest.
Eric Haworth
9 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:26:26
Don’t condone moron behaviour no matter who they are, but seems one moron who called out another, bleached blonde, hummer driving moron as a “toe-rag” wasn’t far off the mark IMHO?
Peter Carpenter
10 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:26:48
He's getting his 'no shows' in now because he won't dare do it in a week's time, whichever is appointed, Bielsa or Dyche. And after hearing about Bielsa's hand grenade, he'd better hope its Dyche. Little shit - and I've been sticking up for him too.
Dean Williams
11 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:28:16
Cheek of this overhyped muppet.

Can't shoot, no final ball in his locker and can't head the ball. And he's got the gall to act like he's the best thing since sliced bread.

He's one ugly arsed bleach haired tool. Hope he goes down the Jeffers path. Wanker.

Kieran Kinsella
12 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:29:43
I'm sure Darren will be along soon to explain that Gordon is the victim in the no-show scenario.
Dean Williams
13 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:31:58

Kieran 11.

Darren can go join him too.

Mark Ryan
14 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:34:13
Or he avoids getting injured, Newcastle buy him for £40million and we get Ziyech and another in.

Or he turns up for training, Tarkowski up-ends him and he gets injured and can't be transferred.

What version do you Anthony Gordon haters want? He trains and gets crocked? He stays away and gets sold?

It's not difficult.

Brian Porter
15 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:35:15
Totally agree with Jay,

There should be no place for overpriced prima donnas at the club. A few more with Onana's attitude would be useful.

Gordon is showing the club and more importantly the fans just how much he really cares about Everton.

Rob Halligan
16 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:40:57
He's now saying he will no longer return to Finch Farm. Need to see if I can track him down in Calderstones Park walking his dog, and have a quiet word!
Jason Hewly
17 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:45:13
If I was being chased down the street having abuse screamed at me, I'd be off too. And so would all of you.

Some fans have crossed the line and I don't blame this kid for wanting out.

Dennis Stevens
18 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:49:29
I'm surprised his agent hasn't stated there's a "real and credible threat to his safety and security"
Christy Ring
19 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:49:45
That's what we get for someone kicking the stabilisers off his bike. Newcastle are laughing because they'll offer less now, especially as Chelsea don't want him now.
Lee Whitehead
20 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:51:12
Rob @15,

If you do manage to track him down, can you run him up to Newcastle sharpish!!!

Paul O'Neill
21 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:53:26
My only concern is that he'll go to Newcastle, be coached properly and played in the right position by Howe, be happier and end up being brilliant. That'd be just our luck!
Mark Ryan
22 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:54:45
Just because Vinny O'connor from Sky reports "I've not seen him, nobody's seen him" many on here jump to the conclusion "he's staying in his bedroom and is not coming out".

Why not wait for Leighton to announce "Gordon is AWOL" before getting the pitchforks out.? Deary me lads, chill out. Talk about jumping to conclusions.

Michael Lynch
23 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:56:26
Jason,

A couple of bad scals hurled abuse at him, it's not like 38,000 of us chased him down County Road with pitchforks.

Don't blame the fans for this. We're the ones who were singing his name last season. If he thinks he won't get stick from the fat-bellied Geordies if he under-performs, then he's in for a massive shock.

Bobby Mallon
24 Posted 26/01/2023 at 16:58:14
No pitch forks from me. I wouldn’t come back either if I got treated by fans like that.
Anthony Jones
25 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:14:16
No loss to us. He has been gash this season.
Dale Self
26 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:15:07
Shame. Gordon would have likely benefited the most from Dyche's system. Perhaps in Bielsa's as well which gives me the impression that his PR management is a bit like his form.

The timing and no response suggests he is not at all embarrassed to make his exit in this way – which makes it worse for all involved.

Kieran Kinsella
27 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:17:32
Bobby,

He trained all last week without a problem. If he wants to leave, he should show up at Finch Farm and sit down like an adult (which he is) and give Thelwell a written transfer request.

James Flynn
28 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:19:24
For all the talk of his attacking nous, the main thing Howe has brought to Newcastle is suffocating defense. A League-leading GA of 11 after 20 games.

If he's wanting to add a hard-working speedster who could get Howe a goal or two, Gordon is a pretty good choice.

Ian Bennett
29 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:21:28
Jeffers, Barkley, we've been here before
Will Mabon
30 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:26:49
Jason,

Despite concerted media efforts for years to paint the average adult male of the species as a feckless, emotional weed, you'd go a long way to find a man that would genuinely be bothered by that to any degree IMO.

So no, I don't think most of us would be off.

Tony Hill
31 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:30:23
James @ 27,

That makes a mockery of those (me very much included) who thought that Howe was a poor defensive coach. For that matter, I also thought Ten Hag would be a delicate technical coach only.

Might also be some hope in that for us.

Kevin Molloy
32 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:40:59
I hadn't realised we haven't picked him since before the World Cup. We certainly know how to show our youngsters a good time. No wonder they can't bear to leave.

33 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:50:47
Kevin @ 31,

Strange because I could have sworn he made the foul against Southampton on 14 January that led to a goal.

He last started a game against Wolves on Boxing Day.

Jim Hourigan
34 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:51:17
Not wanting to jump on any bandwagon but the 8-10 of us who sit together in the Park End and chat, have never rated him – even last season, when he was everyone's star.

The best description is 'headless chicken', lots of energy and enthusiasm but brain-dead as a footballer.

If anyone is daft enough to offer anything near £40M ,then snap their hands off. Can't shoot, pass or head a ball. Lots of pace but precious little end product.

Joe McMahon
35 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:54:33
Jim, I don't see he as regular as you but 100% agree. He can run, and that's about it. Certainly can't pass and his shooting is even worse than Calvert-Lewin's.

For the record, 3 of his goals last season should have been awarded to Richarlison.

Ian Riley
36 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:57:55
Take the money!!
Allan Corken
37 Posted 26/01/2023 at 17:59:32
Ian 28:

Yes, I think he belongs in the same category as Jeffers and Barkley, but I think there are others in there too... Rodwell and Calvert-Lewin spring to mind.

Kevin Molloy
38 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:02:34
Is that Danny?

Ah, I've been given duff information. I knew he'd come on as sub, but the report I was reading said he had't been picked since before the World Cup.

James Newcombe
39 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:06:31
Of course we’ll get Bielsa, and then sell our quickest player!
Jason Hewly
40 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:07:20
Will, @29,

Is that what "the media" says? Funny, I watch "the media" all the time, and I've never seen that. Is it a GB News thing? Are they telling you that's what the other media is telling everyone?

Here's the thing, leaving because you don't like abuse isn't unmasculine. Though, staying and putting up with it just shows you're a beat dog.

And don't give me any of that "man-up" shite, if you were getting chased down the street outside your work by some feral morons, and someone offered you the chance to work somewhere else for better money, you'd be off.

Raymond Fox
41 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:18:03
Nice one, James.
Christy Ring
42 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:20:51
To be honest, he has an agent, he's not a child. Show a bit of respect to the club (whatever about the directors), your team mates, the real fans, a bit of pride in the jersey. If you want to go, leave under the club's terms, try and show a bit of professionalism and dignity.
Tony Abrahams
43 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:20:57
Gordon allegedly told Lampard he didn't want to go to West Ham with the team at the weekend, so those kids must have really upset him.

Gordon has been at Everton for 11 years and the club are going to make an absolute fortune so this probably justifies why Everton have got an academy.

Gordon not turning up to training is both unprofessional and disrespectful; if you want to blame a kid for his behavior, then that's fine.

I've had enough of Everton not being a hard-nosed professional football club and I can't wait until the day this changes.

Thanks for the money we are about to receive, Anthony, especially if it gives us a fighting chance of survival.

Mark Tanton
44 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:21:45
He has been absolutely pathetic this season. I know he's just a kid surrounded by idiotic, useless pathetic players but he cannot think he's done a good job for Everton.
Darren Hind
45 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:24:34
The guy was playing well enough to draw the attention of top clubs. He was the only fucker we've produced in years that has.

He shrugged it off, scored two precious goals to be our early season top scorer. He continued to play well in games including the draw against Liverpool. After serving a suspension, he re-established himself as top scorer, against Palace, 3 months ago!!!. We've played 9 Premier League games since then. In that 9-game period, he has suffered illness, injury and loss of form.

So what changed? What made the kid who was so instrumental in our survival, become such a hate figure? Oh yeah I just remembered.

The Sun... The fucking Sun. That paper which is so reviled in this city published a story saying his agent demanded £100k a week. No source, no evidence and, more to the point, absolutely no quote from the kid.

Weeks have passed and still nobody has heard a word from Gordon... That makes no never minds to the haters. He's a "Greedy bastard". "Nowhere near as good as he thinks he is"... "A jumped up little gobshite", "Acts like he is the best thing since sliced bread"..."He's an overpriced prima donna"

The cunt only got chased by "a couple of scallies" – That's so fucking nasty it's comical.

The best thing about this thread is people needing an explanation for his reluctance to come back... That's comical too.

According to Dean Williams, he can't shoot. Has no final ball in his locker, can't head a ball and, to top it all off, he's an ugly fucker anyway... Why should we expect any sort of fee for someone so fucking crap?

Another boy's Everton career ruined by the haters. Another boy driven from the club. Another boy going for a cut price...

But hey! The kid who did so much to keep us up last season is shite anyway... So what do we care? That's a massive £10k a week of the multi-million pound wage bill.

Let's just hope those Geordie fuckers don't charge us too much to take this evil fucker off our hands.

Ian Edwards
46 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:27:08
Walking out on your boyhood club in a relegation battle. What a twat.
Michael Lynch
47 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:31:16
But Darren, it was only a couple of scallies. As Christy says, above, "He's not a child, show a bit of respect to the club, (whatever about the directors), your team mates, the real fans".

Yes, the real fans, not a couple of knobheads who chased his car hurling abuse.

And as for all that stuff about The Sun, nobody on here, or at Goodison, or anywhere in Liverpool reads that rag.

James Hughes
48 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:34:24
A 21-year-old male chased down the road and given dog's abuse for being shite at his job.

Please tell me in what other profession is that acceptable?
For people to say he should just accept it, they are just plain wrong.

I would love Anthony Gordon to stay but we may need the money.

Michael Lynch
49 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:37:52
James,

Nobody is saying it's acceptable, but in what other profession would it be acceptable to take it out on all your co-workers, your customers, your boss, and everyone else who relies on you?

Danny O’Neill
50 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:41:50
If Anthony wants to move on, don't blame a couple of idiots chasing him down the street as being his reason.

I once got "held up" outside the arcade next to Crown opposite Lime Street. He took 50 pence off me and we went our ways. I carried on and went to Goodison.

I'm not condoning the behaviour, but that won't be his reason for wanting to leave if indeed he does want to. It hopefully is for football reasons. Who can blame him?

I couldn't wait to go to West Ham Tony and ended up with a long journey home feeling sorry for myself. I can't help myself.

But I agree with you. As long as we profit and reinvest then this could be a good move for the player and the club.

Kevin Prytherch
51 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:42:17
Conversation in a couple of years time…

{any other teams fan} "So why did you sell Gordon on the cheap?"

{Everton fan} "Cos he couldn't sustain his level of performance every game at the age of 21."

"Doesn't every young player go through inconsistent periods?"

"Yes, but he's an academy player."

"What does that matter?"

"Well, if we'd spent £20M on him, then we'd give him the benefit of the doubt…"

"That doesn't make any sense."

"Look, he's proved he's not world class in every game so we got shut. We can easily find a seasoned 29-year-old with no resale value on massive wages for the same price."

"Isn't that what got you into this mess in the first place?"

"Yeah, but this time it will be different. Anyway, we've got a new kid coming through who looks promising for the U18s, he's definitely going to be a world class player and won't need any period of time to bed in. Better be quick though, he's 19 in 3 months and if he's not a first-team regular by then, we might as well let him go…"

Iain Johnston
52 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:45:59
Rumour now is that he's told the club he won't be returning.
Tony Everan
53 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:46:46
Anthony Gordon is still a boy, his head is all over the place. It's not a boy's responsibility to be rescuing the club, he should be developing and being well-coached to be a star for us in seasons to come.

Go easy on him even though he has been unprofessional staying away. The amateurs running this club have hindered his development.

The fact that we are going to make £25-30M because of his efforts coming through at Everton – not just recent efforts but for years, often in turgid circumstances – is money that is going to help the club try to strengthen.

I am sad he is going, and I am sad he's not an exciting part of a better Everton team, but when he's gone that's it, it's only Everton that matters.

Hopefully Stan Mills will now have a better shot at breaking through in a year or two. Possibly a better player.

Nigel Munford
54 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:48:03
Got a Geordie colleague who’s a NUFC season ticket holder and he said the feeling is the fans don’t want him, as a slight breeze and he falls over.
Andrew Grey
55 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:48:44
Jason (16) Yep. It certainly didn't help.
Mal van Schaick
56 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:49:04
Best for all if we cash in. New start for everyone.
Darren Hind
57 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:53:54
Ian,

Not being funny, lad, but you desert the club more than he does. You only show up when we are losing. "Walking out" when the club is in the shit?

I'm trying to decide what was the biggest factor in us staying up last season. Gordon's sweat and graft... Or your relentless predictions of imminent doom... It's a really tough call.

I have to laugh when I see mealy-mouthed comments about him leaving because of a couple of fans chasing him... Talk about missing the point.

This has been a long an concerted hate campaign. Ever since it was reported that his agent was going for top dollar... You don't even have to leave this thread to see that. If that isn't enough, you will find plenty more haters all over social media.

Scream the house down all you like, but Anthony Gordon is reacting in a way most young scousers would do. He is showing the haters about as much respect as they have shown him.

.

Kieran Kinsella
58 Posted 26/01/2023 at 18:54:26
He is not a boy. He is 22 years old next month. He is old enough to be married and have a few boys of his own.

You can join the army in the UK at 16 years of age and guess what the army chaps face much greater danger than three scallies swearing at their car as they drive by.

The behavior of those fans was disgraceful but acting like Anthony is a 5-year-old who was chased by the violent mob from Frankenstein movies is ridiculous.

He is unprofessional for not showing up to work. If he wants to leave, fair enough – but be an adult about it.

Tony Everan
59 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:01:16
I am disappointed he has gone AWOL, it's the wrong move from him. But at least this kid has made the club a £25-30M profit.

There have been no end of mercenary wasters at this club who have each cost the club £25-30M in losses and have bled the club dry. These are the ones who deserve the biggest criticism.

Ben King
60 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:01:21
Darren Hind #56,

Spot on, we'll said.

Too many haters on here and then surprised when there's a reaction.

Tony Abrahams
61 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:01:41
There is a WhatsApp picture floating round saying Gordon had been to London and can't make his mind up between Chelsea and Newcastle. I hope he makes the right choice for his career but the most noticeable thing about the picture is the kid didn't look well.

21-year-old professional footballers usually look the picture of health but Anthony looked tired, very pale, and gaunt. He's obviously under a lot of pressure right now, but staying away from training, cannot be helping the situation, and sometimes I worry about how these young footballers are being advised.

Everton badly need money and Anthony is going to make himself an absolute fortune but so will his agent who I personally don't think is doing a good job if his client isn't turning up for training. This could do Gordon a lot of long-term damage, both professionally and also in the city of Liverpool, in the future. This is not a good move, imo.

Who was the last real product of the Everton Academy who left our club and truly excelled? Only Rooney, but he had a god-given talent. I can't think of another off the top of my head.

Kieran Kinsella
62 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:04:28
Back in October there was a thread on here about this contract and Christine totally nailed it at point 18 when she said:

"Christine Foster

If true, I think he will be gone in January for around £40 million if that. Whilst he has talent, he flatters to deceive as yet and, until his performances bring the consistency of goals taken or created, then he is a victim of his own hype.

Simply put, he isn't good enough, yet. He might raise his game but right now he is not adding the quality we need, nor is he at the top of his game. His contract should be filled with bonus clauses dependent on performance. You think you're worth £100k? Prove it."

Also post 57 was when Darren was Dave:

https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/22-23/rumour-mill/42740.html#1288511

Ray Robinson
63 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:10:36
This has nothing to do with the lad being local. As Kieran has said, his behaviour is unprofessional even if it is an understandable reaction to being chased by scallies.

File under Danjuma.

Paul Kossoff
64 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:14:43
I hope this cheeky twat is getting heavily fined.

What happens if Newcastle pull out and don't want him? Are we all supposed to say the old "Oh well he's a blue, one of us welcome back"?

Anthony A Hughes
65 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:16:17
If one of our home grown wants to desert the fight to stay up, then I'm not sure we'll miss his efforts to the cause.

Enjoy the subs bench with the Geordies, lad; they already have better players in the wide positions.

Andrew Grey
66 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:19:55
Darren #56. Yep.
Alan Brown
67 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:20:45
Don't know what the problem is here.

Do you want to stay? If yes, then come back, train and give your heart and soul to Everton. If no, then sod off. I have no further interest in you. Whatever you do or don't do in your career after Everton, I won't be interested.

The same applies to every single player at the club. If you don't love Everton, go and go now.

I was born in August 1954 so for all of my life we have been in the top flight. No other team apart from Arsenal have done that. The 18 other Premier League teams have all been promoted since then.

I have not given up and won't until it happens but if we get relegated we will come back. My dad saw them relegated and promoted again. If we do go down, we can all watch them come back up again. It's not the end of the world.

Cristobal Aguirre
68 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:21:04
At last, we have good news. Any amount above £1 for Gordon is good business for us.
Tony Abrahams
69 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:28:42
Doesn’t it do a lot for amortization figures? This is something that is well over my head but I’m sure I’ve read that selling homegrown players does wonders for sustainability figures.
Ian Edwards
70 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:29:09
Darren 56. Get off your high horse.

We are always losing. I'm on the Live Forum when we win and always post a comment of support in the thread.

Anyway, not sure why I'm living rent free in your head. There is more to worry about than my views on a treacherous little rat who is walking out on his boyhood club in its hour of need.

Brian Williams
71 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:30:52
Do we know for sure that he's AWOL?

As far as I'm aware it's been reported by the media and that's it. Now call me cynical but the media do have a little history in, how can I put it, spouting absolute shite!

Innocent until proven guilty, anyone?

Stuart Sharp
72 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:31:09
I cannot understand those who say he's shit. It baffles me. What were these people saying last season?

That said, if the reports of missing training etc. are true, that does not sit well at all. I take Darren's point, but even if you argue it's unsurprising he wants to leave, there are ways of doing things.

His employers, and his boyhood team, are in the shit just now. Not training is unprofessional to say the least, and surely doesn't affect whether the move will happen or not?

Rob Dolby
73 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:45:15
Tony @60, I think you have hit the nail on the head.

If his agent has Antony's interest at heart, he would be advising him to turn up to training and act professionally. Leave on good terms with the club and move on if a deal can be agreed.

The agent has advised him to stay away, force the move but not ask for a transfer as he would receive less of a cut of the transfer. The whole thing stinks.

Chelsea and Newcastle will be looking at his behaviour and thinking about his character. I wouldn't be surprised if both clubs got cold feet.

Can someone please name me a football club with fans that don't give stick to players?

Anthony A Hughes
74 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:45:24
He's not shit – he's just nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.

If he goes to Newcastle, he's going to competing with Wilson, Isak Almiron and Saint-Maximin and Willock for a start. Good luck with that one.

Andy Crooks
75 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:46:32
Ian Edwards, what do you actually know about Anthony Gordon or why he wasn't at training or who he might have spoken to, or whether the club need to sell him, or what's going on in his life or how he feels?

I'd say you know the same as me, which is fuck-all. Didn't stop you posting that vile little comment @45. The sort of comment that, if directed at you would have you running off to check the posting guidelines and go crying to the moderators.

By the way, that "rent free in your head" catch phrase that you dug up from somewhere is as worn out as your relentless bitching about our club.

Your name on a thread is like a skull and crossbones and I will pay heed and beware from now on.

Iakovos Iasonidis
76 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:48:27
Fuck him, I hate this kind of attitude.

We should have sold him back in the summer for £10-15M more.

Oliver Molloy
77 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:50:50
Rob @ 72,

Less of a cut of the transfer, has Gordon got this in his contract?

Danny O’Neill
78 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:54:36
Ian @69. I have no words.

The club are selling him.

Alan Ball didn't want to leave.

Colin Glassar
79 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:54:49
We need a Mascherano - Tevez type deal. Sod the manager, we need players who can play football.
Martin Reppion
80 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:58:59
Having read every comment on this thread, I'll add my pennyworth.

Gordon may become a good player. He may become an England international. For now, as was the case in the summer, we must surely be able to buy a better player (or two) for £30-40M.

Any deal will also have add-on clauses for if he does mature into a superstar. But we need goal scorers and fighters, and we need them now. Why are the club not cashing in? Why did they turn down daft money in the summer?

There is every danger that Gordon will become our Hudson-Odoi. Flavour of the month 2 years ago; can't get arrested now. But, even if he is the real deal, he isn't that yet. And it is now we need to perform.

On the issue of him being abused by some 'fans'. All the current squad, with the exception of Pickford, can expect disgruntled fans, who spend a large percentage of their expendable income to watch football, to be angry and frustrated. This may turn into verbal abuse. For £50k a week, you can shout at me all day and all night. (Physical violence is totally unacceptable.)

As for missing training. Going on strike in any other occupation. It is not something that happens often. But nobody was complaining in the summer when Mohammed Kudus tried the same tactic to force a move from his current club to… (where was it again?).

Terry Downes
81 Posted 26/01/2023 at 19:59:24
Gordon to go last day of the window? No time to spend any money?

It's beginning to look like Arteta all over again…

Phil Wood
82 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:02:29
Smells like his agent all over this. Silly lad if he is staying away. Suppose threats and abuse can get to you.

I'm not getting carried away. It is what it is and I don't know what is happening or has been happening since the supposed Chelsea interest rumours first appeared. Now Newcastle's interest.

The lad is panicking that his big chance may be slipping away and acting like a scared 21-year-old, maybe with a touch of greedy agent's influence. Who knows?

I hope it can be resolved and he gets his dream move and the club can use the cash to move forward. Nothing we haven't seen before.

Oliver Molloy
83 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:08:52
None of us knows the real ins and outs of what's going on with Gordon:

Is it the club wanting to sell him to cash in?
Is Gordon pushing for a move?
Have the club told him to stay away from Finch Farm?
Who the fuck knows???

No matter what your opinion is, the fact is, he is an Everton player and should be on the training pitch unless he has been told otherwise. If it is his choice to stay away, then for me that is disrespecting Evertonians and his teammates.

We have paid way over the top for players and, if this move happens, let's get the best we can and then watch if Howe can make the likes of me go "Fuck's sake, why did we sell him???"

Bill Gall
84 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:09:16
Have the club stated that they are negotiating with Newcastle as Gordon has handed in a written request that he wishes to leave?
Darren Hind
85 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:14:02
Ray,

You are still missing the point... by a mile.

Read the concerted hate campaign all over social media. This is not criticism – it's outright abuse. Would you skip to work every day if you faced this abuse? Do you really think he cares about a couple of rag-arses chasing him?

Those thinking they are now giving him abuse because of the actions he has taken need to catch on to themselves... it's the other way round.

This was his dream job and, in true Everton fashion, he has had his dream destroyed by those he wanted to play for.

Why are the brave little soldiers who abuse him from behind their keyboards suddenly so concerned because he doesn't want to play for them anymore? They made it clear they didn't fucking want him anyway.

Will Mabon
86 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:16:50
Jason @ 39,

The media thing might be considered subtle to some but it's there to be seen very easily with a little concentration. The GB News as a synonym for tin foil hat there? Nice.

The masculinity/man-up stuff illustrates what I said (just need toxic to complete). It's about the fact that most ordinary young men don't fall to pieces over one minor incident (got, not getting) when they're also inside a car.

I'd be off? No, I'd take it for what it was, then change my plans to try and avoid the very rare occasion that it may happen again, and carry on. Changing club would be about different factors.

Cristobal Aguirre
88 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:19:04
Bring in Bielsa plus Fullkrug, Ziyech, Arnautovic and one midfielder to replace Gueye and we can avoid relegation.

Line up 1 (4-3-3): Pickford, Coleman, Mina, Coady, Mykolenko; Onana, New Midfielder, Doucoure (Iwobi); Ziyech, Fullkrug and Arnautovic.

Line up 2 (4-4-2): Pickford; Coleman, Mina, Coady, Mykolenko; Ziyech, Onana, New Midfielder, Arnautovic; Calvert-Lewin and Fullkrug.

Paul Tran
89 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:25:17
Rob #72,

I suspect Chelsea and Newcastle will be looking at what's happening and be thinking they can get a better deal out of this.

Kieran Kinsella
90 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:28:16
Darren,

A "concerted hate campaign"? Can you provide evidence of this campaign to show that it's different than the abuse any other person gets on social media?

For example, the relentless campaign you directed at Carlo on ToffeeWeb for 18 months.

Also, what's more "keyboard warrior" and "cowardly" than using multiple names on a fan site and never daring to show your face to anyone involved in public? Pot, Kettle…

Dale Self
91 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:31:01
With those two swooping in, how about a little gasoline on this discussion? Anyone remember ruminating about that photo with Dele getting on the plane to the high life?
Darren Hind
92 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:36:21
Kinsella

See if you can work out the difference between criticising a vastly experienced manager earning 12m a year to make decisions and abusing 21 year old kid who lives with those decisions.

I have only ever posted under this (my) name. I know dozens of people who post on here and they know me. You just don't know I know them...Despite your relentless profiling.

Kieran Kinsella
93 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:40:08
Abusing a senior citizen? Who's one of the best in his field in the world. Yeah I would say that's worse than abusing a grown adult man in his 20s but how about don't abuse either one? Or abuse other posters who defend senior citizens?
Jason Hewly
94 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:43:43
Will, how do you know he's fallen to pieces? It seems to me more likely that he's thought, "fuck this, I'm off."

This isn't about manning-up, it's about idiots not being able to control their emotions. You might want to live in a world where people are free to abuse others, but most of don't think that way. I wouldn't put up with it because of self-respect, not because I've been magically feminized by "the media".

Dale Self
95 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:45:43
Ooh ‘magically feminized’ ! Which channel is that on? Asking for a friend of course
Christopher Timmins
96 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:46:07
If we get 45 million for him it will be some deal for us. If Rafa sent him out on loan before the start of last season I doubt if it would have been commented on.
Darren Hind
97 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:46:24
I'll pass that on to the latest newcomer you've driven away from your little patch.

What a profile you drew up about him after one single post

Shane Corcoran
98 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:50:04
Premier league stadia are filled with grown adults abusing opposition players every week, which is grand because……..
Kieran Kinsella
99 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:50:47
Just let me know once you've produced the evidence of the concerted campaign
John McFarlane Snr
100 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:53:49
Hi all, I have recently steered clear of posting, but I think that it's time for me to put my "two pennorth" in. I must confess that I'm not a great fan of Anthony Gordon, but if he wants to leave Everton [for whatever reason] I believe that it's his right to do so, and it could be the best thing for both club and player. Unlike some, I bear no ill will and I take the view of "The King is dead long live the King" and his transfer might turn out to be the best bit of business [if the board spends the money wisely.]
John McFarlane Snr
101 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:53:49
Hi all, I have recently steered clear of posting, but I think that it's time for me to put my "two pennorth" in. I must confess that I'm not a great fan of Anthony Gordon, but if he wants to leave Everton [for whatever reason] I believe that it's his right to do so, and it could be the best thing for both club and player. Unlike some, I bear no ill will and I take the view of "The King is dead long live the King" and his transfer might turn out to be the best bit of business [if the board spends the money wisely.]
Darren Hind
102 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:56:37
Look for it yourself. Everyone else can see it... Besides I'm too busy abusing a senior citizen... One who happens to be years younger than me.
Kieran Kinsella
103 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:58:53
Ahh self-loathing issues taking it out on others in your age group. I could see that in your case.
Jason Hewly
104 Posted 26/01/2023 at 20:59:03
Dale @95, Late night on Channel Four, probably.
Darren Hind
105 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:03:26

Kieran Kinsella
106 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:04:41
Interviewed any brain damaged boxers for drivers jobs lately?
Jerome Shields
107 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:05:09
Jordan has not been the same since the speculation regarding, his mismanaged contract and transfer.
Tony Abrahams
108 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:13:48
He won’t realize you are trying to help him Andy, because he’s a nit!
John Burns
109 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:15:37
Good to have you back John (101). And where’s Mike G and James C? I agree with you. A good first season, then flattery and then believing he had more talent than he probably has. I just wish a supposed Evertonian, such as Gordon, would want to battle to save his club rather than abandoning ship. But that’s too idealist, too romantic too, ‘that will never happen’ in the current football world we live in.
Darren Hind
110 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:19:51
Pissed is the new brain damaged ....Apparently.

I guess I get a bit confused being a fork lift driver who hates my boss

Barry Rathbone
111 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:20:38
Never got the hype around Rodwell and Gordon falls into the same category for me. But if he wants out then out he goes.

Probably the potential of playing for one of the properly funded clubs, Chelsea, has festered and he isn't going to let the opportunity pass again.

I disagree with people playing down the car ambush if he was wavering I bet 100yds down the road he was on his speakerphone shouting to his agent "get me the fuck out of here"

Philip Bunting
112 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:20:50
In all honesty I have never seen much in this lad over 90mins to justify him starting. I can honestly say I can barely recall any standout games. I just don't get it to be honest, wish I could say I wish him the best but to be fair I don't...not a battler, not a grafter but more a bottler Happy to get a few quid for him though lol
Kieran Kinsella
113 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:21:22
You're the expert on both
Will Mabon
114 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:22:24
Jason,

of course I don't desire a world of rampant abuse. One incident where some clowns chased a car down a road, which perhaps would've ended in no more than what happened when Yerry Mina got out of his car - who knows.

I don't know he's fallen to pieces, that was obviously a sarcastic suggestion making a point.

Simply, I think there's no need to overreact to something that most ordinary people in the same circumstance would brush off - IMO.

I'm intrigued at how the uncontrollable actions of some random idiots could affect your own self respect though. Guess I'm old fashioned.

Darren Hind
115 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:26:26
"If he wants out then out he goes"

Simple as that Barry.

Cracking thread BTW

Allan Corken
116 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:32:24
Darren, I'm not sure that it is reasonable to conclude that Anthony had his career at Everton ruined and has been driven out by "the haters. Surely it is just, indeed more, valid to suggest his head has been turned by the big bucks and chance to play for a club involved in chasing trophies. If footballers and football people were so thin skinned then Tom Davies would have been gone years ago and as for Bill Kenwright! No, I think that it is more likely that the old pound signs are pointing him to the exit door. I can't blame him for that. I can pretend to be disgusted, but if Newcastle offered me £300k p/w to switch allegiance, despite supporting Everton for more than 50 years, it would be away the lads and down to the barbers for a mullet hair cut.

Dale Self
117 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:33:42
Jason I thought that was the incel channel. It’s difficult to keep up

And yes that was a brilliant John Mac Sr sighting!

Ray Smith
118 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:44:23
A true current or ex player needs to sit him down and read him his fortune!
His head has been turned, so either buckle down or take the high road.
Spoilt brat comes to mind, but likewise a naive young man who doesn’t know where is bread is best buttered!
Darren Hind
119 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:45:44
Allan

Some people are more thick skinned than others. You may well have a point. Gordon may well have had his head turned, but I think the interest shown by wealthy clubs has given him a freedom to just say "Fuck this. I don't need it. I've got better options elsewhere"

Do I think he would be staying at the club if it wasnt for newspaper reports ?. Absolutely. He was happy here before the contract "claims" turned so many fans against him.

While people are on here are saying he is absolutely shite. wealthy clubs are chasing him. I keep hearing people say he needs to knuckle down, but he has a choice here. become a multi millionaire overnight whilst giving himself the chance to win stuff.... or stay here and listen to the shite he`s getting now.

Must be a terrible dilemma for him

Ray Robinson
120 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:51:05
Surely, whatever the reasons for Gordon wanting to leave, valid or otherwise, it's about professionalism? This is not the right way to force a transfer and, if I were the buying club, I'd be having serious doubts.
Kieran Kinsella
121 Posted 26/01/2023 at 21:56:35
"become a multi millionaire overnight" put like that he seems like a very sympathetic character.
Mark Taylor
122 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:09:54
The report suggests he had agreed personal terms with Newcastle. How does that work if he is under contract to us and Newcastle have not met our valuation? And while still under contract, he refuses to work?

I think he is on £10k a week. I'd fine him for the absences, fine him more if he continues, and tell him he can sit it out in the stands until someone matches our valuation. The wages won't kill us and there is a matter of principle here. Then he can figure out how much left that club has in the kitty after meeting our valuation, to pay him and his agent and decide whether it's enough to go or stay. It works that way round...

Don Alexander
123 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:11:43
Like many of us (but always unlike our resident schitzo when it comes to any young player allegedly "developed" at FF - under Kenwright appointees of course, and that's the same Kenwright our schitzo ALWAYS denigrates, whenever he finds a spare moment to refrain from deriding fellow Toffees) I don't really rate our Anthony.

I'm stunned at some of the prospective fees for him cited in the media.

Has the world gone even madder than when we signed Claus Thomsen?

You bet it has!

Phil Martin
124 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:11:50
Darren - AG is already a multimillionaire. His new Everton contract would've further added to that wealth considerably. However, he obviously has a chance to earn even more elsewhere. So for me, this is about a young multimillionaire holding his club to ransom in order to line his pocket further elsewhere. And for that reason I hope he gets a fitting reception should he ever play at Goodison.
Ian Edwards
125 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:12:37

Gordon has really gone down in my estimation. It is widely reported that he has asked to leave.

Andy Crooks said my posts should come with skull and crossbones. That's appropriate as the club is a Pirate ship heading for the rocks.

Gavin Fennessy
126 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:14:19
I thought ther were some positive signs with Gordon. He worked on his fitness hard throughout Covid. I recall he got his trainer to live in his house so he could work on fitness. Seemed really motivated to improve. I think that unfortunately that with a small amount of success came the pitfalls of believing the hype. His head turned and once Chelsea (or anyone else) flashed the cash he was already checked out. It has happened with lots of homegrown lads, most of which end up regretting their haste to abandon Everton when their careers don’t end up as their agents may have promised. He has pace, he is talented. But he is not mature. He may develop into a player but the money he is touted at frankly baffles me. He is not a superstar, yet. He is already extraordinarily privileged and destined to make huge amounts of money. His cameo and incredibly stupid game changing foul versus Southampton is what I think reflects badly o this exit era.
Tony Abrahams
127 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:16:34
His agent would have sorted all this with Newcastle, I would imagine Mark, just like I would imagine it was his agent, rather than any newspaper talk, that would have started planting seeds in young Anthony’s head?

The 10% man, is going to make a fucking fortune, because he has helped persuade his client, the boy with the talent, that he’s better off elsewhere.

I also believe that Everton need to sell Gordon, so this should have been dealt with a lot better. I got in on very good authority that Gordon didn’t want to play on Saturday. Very sad.

Darren Hind
128 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:19:07
Phil

He earns 10k a week

Anyway Axe and Smash are both on now. I leave them to rack their brains as to why so many top clubs want to pay top dollar for a fella who is so crap

I'll log back in tomorrow. to see if the penny dropped..

It could happen !

Mark Taylor
130 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:36:00
Tony,

The problem here is that the player and agent are, if reports are correct, basically setting this up to take a bigger share of the money, and the club a lot less, at a time when we need that money.

Can we really not play hardball? More of the money has to come to us, less to him. He's just one individual. Yes, we'd like the money but not cut price because the player and agent are shafting us.

Our management are utterly hopeless but they get a thumbs up from me if they play this hard. If he goes, he goes on our terms not his. Otherwise he can warm the bench and disappear from view if that it what he chooses...

John McFarlane Snr
131 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:40:14
Hi John, [109],

I agree with you when you say that "It may be too idealist and romantic, to expect today's players to show loyalty to their clubs."

I've have been frowned on this site when I reveal my age, so I'll say that along with Dave Abrahams and one or two others, I can recall when the record transfer fee was that of Jackie Sewell, who moved from Notts County to Sheffield Wednesday for £34,500.

I believe that Everton players were on £16 a week during the season, and £12 a week during the close season, at that time the maximum wage was £20 a week. I can't recall anyone who was on that figure.

I liken today's players to yesterday's film stars, but I'm programmed to attend games at Goodison irrespective of the circumstances, and I'm hoping that I will be in attendance at the new Everton Stadium on Bramley-Moore Dock.

Christy Ring
133 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:40:36
Darren no problem with you defending Anthony Gordon, but why do you always reply to Kieran Kinsella and no one else by his surname?

I said earlier Anthony is not a child, has an agent, he's letting himself down, his team mates, his club and the real fans. The fans at any game never turned on Gordon.

Ross Barkley was a scapegoat for Koeman, the fans actually abused him at games, but he never stopped playing, always showed for the ball, often brought off to boos, but never stopped training or playing for his club.

John Keating
134 Posted 26/01/2023 at 22:51:00
Who really knows the ins and outs?
Looking back at the Rooney time we all blamed him
We now know Bill had been touting him out long before he went
Wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a bit of dirt on both sides here
Raymond Fox
135 Posted 26/01/2023 at 23:12:37
He's letting the club down if he is staying away, especially when we need all the players available for selection the most.
I can understand he wants away but he's doing it the wrong way.
Ashley Roberts
136 Posted 26/01/2023 at 23:15:29
As a local lad I cannot believe he would not want to fight to keep Everton in the premiership. It really does say a lot about him as a person and a footballer. Lower than a snakes belly comes to mind. I have to say these young upstarts who think they are better than they really are can go. He will never change his attitude wherever he goes and so for me let’s get shot of quickly as possible at an inflated price. He will be a bench warmer at Newcastle and will follow the same trajectory as Jeffers and Rodwell. Let’s hope we get the money in time to buy a couple of players who know where to find the onion bag.
Don Alexander
137 Posted 26/01/2023 at 23:18:24
Christy (#133) I resent that! Our Dazza has referred to me as "Alexander" and I'm proud of it!

Last week he was writing that it all started to go wrong under Carlo but within a day or two he re-entered the real world the rest of us occupy and (just as I have done, for yonks in agreement with him - which he insists he disputes) reverted to blaming Kenwright for our decades-long decline.

Always though he heaps praise on Kenwright appointed former Everton players coaching at FF and EVERY player who's ever been under their "development".

Rooney aside, name any FF "developed" player this century who went on to trophy-winning success anywhere, or notable premier league employment?

There's been none.

But schitzo Dazza still screams the opposite and personally derides any Toffee of different opinion - as amusingly as ever.

Neil Tyrrell
138 Posted 26/01/2023 at 23:19:48
Sad way for his Everton career to end if these reports of him not turning up to training are true. He's putting the club in a really shitty position with the transfer window winding down and probably costing us millions off his transfer fee. Everyone and their dog knows we can't afford to bench him to make a point.

Can't help but wonder how different things might be if he'd taken either of his chances in the first half of the Wolves match. For him, for Lampard, for all of us. But converting chances has never really been a strong point for him to date.

Darren Hind
139 Posted 26/01/2023 at 23:37:11
Christy

I have blanked Axe and Smash (Alexndre and Kinsella) the TW tag team for years on this site.

Why ?

Take a look for yourself. You wont have to leave this thread...They don't come on to talk about footy. they only come on to talk about me.

I sometimes throw them a bone, its gets them all excited

Watch

Eric Myles
140 Posted 26/01/2023 at 23:55:16
Can't blame him for wanting out of the shit show that is currently happening at our Club.

And better for the Club to cash in now than have a fire sale if we get relegated.

Paul Kossoff
141 Posted 26/01/2023 at 00:01:36
I think we have more important things to worry about than Gordon. We are about to employ a manager who was sacked for taking his team to the brink of relegation, and is expected to keep us in the premier league. Either Dyche or Bielsa would have to be tied to staying if we go down, as both are at least experienced in coming up from the championship.
I hope Gordon goes and we get in some soldier's, because we are going to need the cavalry to save us from the attacks we will get from the red Indians.
Don Alexander
142 Posted 27/01/2023 at 00:29:58
Dear Dazza, to quote your own (usually baseless) taunt to everyone not in full agreement with you (and that's 'most everyone) "read my post again."

I don't share your opinion or anyone else who agrees with you (only one hand'll be necessary to count them, mind - but one hand stimulation is obviously your nirvana) that Gordon is worth anything like £50mill or tens of £millions at all.

I said so in my post you so much now deride, as anyone devoid of personality disorder can see.

You, as ever, (uniquely on TW) choose to occupy your very own antagonistic-to-fellow-Toffees bird-brain perch though, regardless of subject.

Fly on mate!

Justin Doone
143 Posted 27/01/2023 at 00:40:19
Gordon one of the few players with genuine pace out. Bielsa demanding players with pace in.

So my plan would be flog Pickford for a few pacey backs from St Helens, Wakefield or Widnes etc?

Now that would be entertaining and would certainly improve our tackling.

Clueless bar stools.

Robin Emmerson
144 Posted 26/01/2023 at 01:18:30
I'm afraid the current malaise which afflicts our beloved club is like the raspberry sauce running through a Raspberry Ripple. If you don't like the raspberry and try to take it out you just end up with a big pink gloopy mess. I've followed EFC for 55 years and I've never felt so disheartened as in the last 8 years. The dysfunctional board have run this great club into the ground while the myopic owner has sat and fiddled while it was burning, I would say it was a shambles but it's not that good!

Although I don't condone the behaviour of the minority towards Gordon, I also can't excuse his actions which reveal a lack of character and do not bode well for his future, wherever that may be. (Rocky: "It isn't about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can be hit and keep moving forward")

As for the rest of the team they could do with pinning a quote from the great Yankees baseball player Joe DiMaggio up on the dressing room wall and following his advice:
"I always thought there was at least one person in the stands who had never seen me play and I didn't want to let them down"

I truly believe this season will be the first time in my lifetime that we will be relegated as we now truly look lost,disunited and lacking heart for the fight ahead. However for all the doom and gloom that relegation will entail I will try to remember that it get's darkest before the dawn.

Blue as ever
NSNO

Kieran Kinsella
145 Posted 27/01/2023 at 01:23:02
Darren

I talk about all kinds of stuff on here peacefully with all kinds of people. Sorry you’re so self absorbed you only read the posts when I respond to you making reference to me or sharing usually angrily voiced views I disagree with under one of your various guises. Your short lived alter ego Dave Cashen debuted by saying Danny and I were in the Lonely Hearts Club for posting too much and that was during your apparent absence from the site. Then you reappeared and used the exact same terminology to say the same. Lol

Kieran Kinsella
146 Posted 27/01/2023 at 01:46:00
Darren

Serious question. What does being an Everton supporter entail in your view? You slag off the owner. The Chairman. Every manager we have had since you joined this site. You say the fans "get what we deserve." You slag off any foreign or expensive signings we have had from other clubs. Your support only seems to extend to a few academy players or players who were bought but never really played in the academy as such (DCL/Holgate) but that you view as homegrown and to Duncan Ferguson. You've done nothing but complain about every other person associated with this club. You even previously admitted supporting pillow throwing to get rid of Kendall, and said that you didn't like Alan Harper because he was "a red." So to my mind, you have a very minimalist view of what Everton is and it doesn't include the vast majority of what most people perceive as Evertonians.

Chris Hockenhull
147 Posted 27/01/2023 at 01:48:52
Love the way in the last 24 hours so much positive comments regards Gordon are flowing this way. Spin back last week … and……. Bollocks. Goebells couldn’t write such revisionistic shite
Justin Doone
148 Posted 27/01/2023 at 02:54:53
We are desperate for funds to pay off the manager and bring in a couple of players.

I believe both Everton and Gordon are on the same page rather than he going on strike against club wishes. Ultimately he's one of the few players we can get decent cash for. But he's being over priced by his agent in terms of salary demands.

Gordon has great pace, that will always be a massive asset for any player and team. He's still a rough diamond and his development hindered by Everton being the circus it is. He's got a lot of positives and potential and an attack minded team and manager like Newcastle have will be good for him.

Seasond professionals melt in the Goodison spotlight. The youngsters havn't been given good, consistent coaching or guidance because of the merry-go-round.

It's a repeat of 20 years ago, only this time we have money but are not 'allowed' to spend it. Our timing amongst other things is awful.

If he goes, thanks. If he stays, great. Ultimately one player doesn't make a team.

Martin Faulkner
149 Posted 27/01/2023 at 06:13:50
John Keating and Justin are probably closer to the mark than those blaming Gordon for downing tools.
It's pretty obvious we haven't got a pot to piss in where P&S rules apply, otherwise we would have signed someone for Frank before now in this window.
I think we are desperate for a sale in order to bring anyone in other than a loan which in itself is proving really difficult.
He may well want out, the Club wants money, no point in Tarks or someone else injuring him in training this week when we don't even have a match on the weekend. As he cost us nothing he's one of the best deals we can do as far as Paul the Esk comented on his previous explanations of player amorisations
Papers blowing it all up like he's skipping training but I wouldn't be surprised if Kenwright has him at home wrapped up in cotton wool for 1 hr to go on deadline day.
Andy Duff
150 Posted 27/01/2023 at 07:22:24
We've all seen this playbook before. Everton need money and must sell one of their star assets.

They know doing this will cause murder.

So operation turn the fans against said player starts. "Club sources" leak stories about him wanting out, not reporting to training etc. Fans turn against said player.

The club all along are trying to sell him and he'll probably be sold at the last minute on deadline day. We then will complete signings we had lined up that we couldn't complete until the a money was banked from sale.

This time the club has the extra Brucie Bonus of being able to blame the few kids that chased him as the reason he wanted out, despite Lampard saying he'd spoken to player and he was ok.

This whole saga is exactly what we always do. The truth eventually comes out like it did with Speed Rooney etc

Tony Abrahams
151 Posted 27/01/2023 at 07:58:13
I think Gordon is massive right now, because Everton, need money, and he’s the only real sellable asset. It needs to be resolved quickly for Everton, but I can’t see this happening because our club is in such a poor bargaining position.

John@134, nothing is off the table, with regards this current saga, but I can’t see Everton, telling Gordon to stay away, because it would only drive the price down imo. Then again, nothing surprises me about Everton, who are now getting called the most dysfunctional club in the country, for a big reason.

Darren Hind
152 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:01:06
As I was saying Christy

I'm not sure I need to say anything at all. You can get my view on everything and everything just by reading what These two are saying. They put together such accurate detailed profile...

One of them thinks everyone who disagrees with him, is me - I've got six season tickets. The other comes on often when I post Just hurl his insults and pretend to disagree. He doesnt even know what he disagrees with this time. Apparently put a value on Gordon ????

As you can see both men introduce me to THEIR thread - Yet again, Despite the fact That I have never tried to engage either of them in all these years. Keiran`s post about a boxer (several of them) is in reference to something I posted about Kirkland Lang....years ago.

I thought I was being bombarded on this site for a while, but no. Its just these two.

Another thread been ruined by people having to read about what these two imagine goes on in my life. I feel embarrassed.

I come on here to talk about footy. I will continue to blank those who don't.

Danny O’Neill
153 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:04:38
Enough has been said about Anthony.

I just hope he does what is best for him as a player and that the club do what is best for them. And that is whether he stays or goes.

More importantly, great to have you back John Senior. We are going to Bramley Moore and I'm buying the Guinness. I don't even drink it and I don't care what the doctor says!

Phil Martin
154 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:04:54
@Darren I doubt he earns 10k a week, when he's driving a £175K car.
Darren Hind
155 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:08:59
Phil.

Good to get back to the footy.

He does. He is still on his apprentice wage. He will be a multi millionaire. He can have any car he wants

Tony Abrahams
156 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:12:18
Sixteen weeks wages Phil, not many kids could buy a belter car on 16 weeks wages, plus he’s probably knows he’s going to be putting a ‘nought on’ once he gets his transfer, plus enough money from his signing on fee to go and open his own car showroom.

The money in football is absolutely obscene nowadays, but it’s the world game, and modern day footballers, are the proper superstars now, because of the saturation levels, television now provides worldwide, to the so called beautiful game.

Christy Ring
157 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:16:41
Andy you maybe right, but I believe his head was completely turned and got bigger after Lampard refused to sell him to Chelsea. The incident with the gobshites is his excuse. Refusing to train shows his true character.
Andy Duff
158 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:21:45
Christy that's if he is refusing to train. I would guess he's been told not to in case he gets injured as he's getting sold. The refused to train story is part of the "rat" narrative the club is spinning.
Darren Hind
159 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:25:52
Christy

That was weeks ago. He hasnt even said why he isn't training now. Nobody has. If he is doing it to agitate for a move it would be more about wanting out than anything a couple of Scallies did.

BTW. if you think Gordon is not getting stick then you are going to a different ground than me. He was even booed on recently. As for the comparison with Barkley. There may well be one. Perhaps they are both showing their abusers the same finger.

Tony Abrahams
160 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:48:50
The gobshites were kids, who acted in a ridiculous and horrible manner, and most would say there are no excuses for the way they behaved. Everton had just been beat by bottom of the league at home, Gordon’s stupid foul, help to contribute towards Southampton’s winning goal, and when those exasperated kids, asked him to wind down the window and speak to them, he allegedly laughed at them, before driving away fast in his £175000 car.

He never got far, and the abuse he received shouldn’t have happened, but a boyhood scouser from Walton, should know the rules (IMO) and Anthony Gordon should have spoken to those kids instead of driving away, because there is absolutely no way, he would have been under any kind of physical threat, again imo.

Maybe Anthony was scared because of the untruths perpetrated by Everton, to explain why their board of directors, didn’t have to turn up at Goodison, and face the music, but if he was initially scared, I doubt he wouldn’t have been laughing at those kids before he tried to drive away.

Before Benitez came and told Gordon, he couldn’t last a full 90 minutes, then the kid was doing nothing, now we need him gone because we are absolutely fucking skint, and need to sign some players, who have got to be 100% up for the fight.

Tony Abrahams
161 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:54:10
Barkley took stick Darren, but you would have had to be blind, if you didn’t see the reception he got off Evertonians, the week after taking a smack in town, mate. And as for the middle finger, I think that only applies when you watch somebody who has left our club, and when watching him play elsewhere, you think to yourself, “ I wish we still had that little fucker”

Barkley has got a couple of medals, made himself millions, but I’ve never felt he has been missed at Everton, whilst obviously being aware that not everyone will see it this way.

Colin Bell
162 Posted 27/01/2023 at 08:57:44
Not a huge fan of AG but as an Everton player, I am happy to get behind him if he is putting a shift in.

My understanding of the transfer situation is this, with apologies if I am wrong.

If a club sells a player, the player and his agent take a cut of the fee.

If a player asks for a transfer, this cut is taken away.

Gordon has made it clear he want to move on but stops short of slapping a transfer request in. Making his intentions clear flags up to clubs he is available so they hold all the aces from a negotiation point of view. If the transfer request comes in, Everton could just sit tight, say no or slap the fee they want from the sale and let it run from there.

Gordon is a saleable asset, nothing more. I wish I had his agent talking up my salary, £10k to £100k! That simply smacks of greed and an over inflated view of his value to the club.

He is, by not training, in breach of his contract. Someone at the club needs to deal with that, fine him and stick him with the under 21s. Taking him ‘out of the shop window’ may give him and his agent something to ponder. As things stand, any sale will bring an outpouring of bile should he ever play at Everton again. Remember Sir Alex resting Rooney from a fixture at Goodison to protect him?

Darren Hind
163 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:03:50
I would agree with most of that Tony @160

But it needs to be pointed out that Carlo sent AG out on loan. When he came back to the fold Benitez said he was desperately unfit.

Benitez was very fulsome in his praise for AG when he was asked to knuckle down and get fit. He praised his attitude.

Does the club keep tabs on our players once they have sent them out to be looked after by other clubs ?

According to Rafa. Gordon "couldnt even run"

Sam Hoare
164 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:06:03
There’s no doubt Gordon has talent, he’s been one of the best players for Eng U21 over the last year and has some of the raw tools to go far. He’s comfortably the best player out of our Academy in the last 6-7 years and one of the only ones capable of going on to cement a place at a top 4 club.

Yet he’s been poor for us this season, has been lambasted in person by fans and is set to leave the club. For me this turn of events is more indicative of how badly the club has been managed both on and off the pitch for the last decade than Anthony Gordon’s character. Whilst I would never condone missing training to force a move (if that’s the truth) he has been failed by the club just as much as we have.

If we can get £40m+ for him I think it’s potentially a deal that suits everyone.

Danny O’Neill
165 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:08:57
You're right Tony.

It was unpleasant, but Anthony would have been better getting out and speaking to the fans. Especially as he is a local lad, I'm surprised he didn't. Especially when you consider big Yerry did.

One thing in the back of my head; the players arrive on a coach yet drive home???

I can understand the frustrations of the supporters. Especially the young ones. I see them when I attend. The passion in them is what drives that fantastic support we take into stadia around the country. Selling out within a day of tickets going online despite the predicament of the past few years.

We will never let go of that passion and commitment, as Harry Catterick found out when he dropped Alex Young and we were howling for Howard to go. We always let this club and the players know when the standards aren't good enough. If they don't like it, then they can go, because we will always be here and won't accept it and let them have it when they don't perform.

As much as we will adore them when they give us joy.

They can't have it both ways.

The situation boiled over in frustration. I can understand that and fortunately no harm was done. I don't believe for one minute there was intent. Young lads voicing opinion from what I've seen.

Had it been me, I'd have stopped, got out the car and spoke to the supporters. But then I'm not fortunate enough to play for Everton.

I'm glad it's the weekend. I'm just disappointed there is no Everton to watch.

Neil Copeland
166 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:21:33
Rumours on FB that Gordon has returned to training today?
Jim Lloyd
167 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:35:24
I'm not so sure that the lads who set up that meeting would have held back from hitting Gordon. I never saw him laughing so I can't say he did I don't know if anyone was in the car with him, but, to me, he looked scared stiff and was just staring straight ahead.
I think that with age and experience, some would have handled it better and cooled the situation down.. That's easy to say though. To me, those lads looked like they were after blood. It wasn't just frustration, there was hard anger and a roadblock of cones was set up.
I don't blame him if he was scared because would he want to take a chance of getting out the car if he thought he'd get attacked.

As for his football, if we could get £30-40 million for him, then that would help us get a goalscorer and maybe a creatorscorer like Mahrez.

Trevor Powell
168 Posted 27/01/2023 at 09:50:19
As with Rooney, Lescott and Fellaini, we should call their bluff and DEMAND a written transfer request from Gordon. Let this spoilt brat put his money where his mouth is and forego his signing on fee. I don't imagine he is too worried about the price of petrol, gas and electricity!
Martin Faulkner
169 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:35:31
Neil,

The guy from Sky Sports News set up outside Finch Farm confirmed Gordon was in this morning, might just be picking up his boots though...

Steve Brown
170 Posted 27/01/2023 at 10:42:14
Think Anthony came in to pay his fine for his no-show at training.

Badly advised by his agent if he was told missing training was the right tactic to leverage a move.

David Peate
171 Posted 27/01/2023 at 12:12:39
John McFarlane.

I think that, just after the end of the Hitler war, the players' wages were £12 during the season and £10 off-season. On top of this, I recall that the players were paid an extra £3 for a win and £2 for a draw. At the same period, Liverpool paid £12,000 or so for Albert Stubbins. How things have changed!

Kieran Kinsella
172 Posted 27/01/2023 at 15:12:22
Dominic King (Mail) claims negotiations over Gordon are being done directly through Amanda Stavely and Moshiri. Obviously this could be a fake story put out by Kenwright to his mate to undermine Moshiri's claims the DOF handles such things.
Colin Glassar
173 Posted 27/01/2023 at 15:15:09
Kieran, she’ll run rings around him. He’s an even bigger nob than kenshite is. Gawd help us.

Newcastle will probably pay us the £45m over 45 years with no interest.

Joseph Walsh
174 Posted 27/01/2023 at 15:21:57
If it’s been said here already then apologies but a good article on the MailOnline about The Cult of Kenwright

The first time I’ve ever read in the mainstream media criticism of him and repeats what many of us have said on here for years.

Let’s keep the pressure up!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11683823/amp/THE-CULT-BILL-Kenwright-cut-ties-Everton-wields-huge-power.html

Separately, 21 YO Caicedo of Brighton not budgeting for £60m so why should we accept less for Gordon?

Christy Ring
175 Posted 27/01/2023 at 15:49:48
Sky Sports saying fee agreed £40m+5m add ons. He wants to go and discussing personal terms now.
Joe@174 Caicedo is a defensive midfielder and clubs trying to sign him for the last year, Gordon is definitely not in the same price range, and going back to the Chelsea offer, they never officially offered £60m. I think we done well to agree the fee with Newcastle, the sooner he's gone the better, in my opinion. Refusing to train with his teammates, he's let himself and the club down, his agent probably rubbing his hands, but for a 21 year old to act the way he did, embarrassing. Hopefully Dyche will now bring in a couple of players who'll love to play for EFC.
Joseph Terrence
176 Posted 27/01/2023 at 15:53:32
40m is really good business.
Kieran Kinsella
177 Posted 27/01/2023 at 15:57:34
Christy

That represents good business as long as it's not as Colin suggests payable over 45 years at 0% interest. In terms of his actual stats he's similar to Jordan Ibe, Solanke etc went for 20 or 30 million from the RS. The key thing now is not to waste that money on an injury prone flash harry who wants 100k a week.

Paul Tran
178 Posted 27/01/2023 at 15:58:04
Much ado about nothing here.

A very promising young player, playing in a team with little pace or movement, in a basket case of a club in a downward spiral. Guess what? He wants to move to a better club to further his career.

That's it folks. When you get a good player and you don't improve the team around him, he'll look to leave. Happened with Arteta, Lukaku, Stones and many more in my lifetime.

He'll leave with my best wishes.

I'd have more confidence in Dyche spending the money than our previous few managers and DoFs.

Nick Page
179 Posted 27/01/2023 at 15:58:08
The problem selling Gordon, as ever with the Kenwright show, is reinvesting the money properly. They’ve NEVER done it. Not once. So why will that change?
Steve Brown
180 Posted 27/01/2023 at 15:58:52
They are buying a very versatile player. He can cover any position on the bench.
Mark Ryan
181 Posted 27/01/2023 at 16:06:20
Alan Stubbs if you can hear me " shut up ! The Barcodes might listening ha ha lol !!! Outside Finch Farm saying AG is rubbish lol !!! he hasn't been sold yet Alan !!!!
Brian Hennessy
182 Posted 27/01/2023 at 16:09:10
Played well in parts last season but can have no complaints that he was dropped to the bench this year on occasion.

His attitude after what happened following the last game at Goodison should have been 'I'll show them how good I am and how much I want to fight for this team.'

40m (if true) is a great deal for us in my opinion, particularly for a player who has acted in the unprofessional way he has by not turning up for training.

Pete Williams
183 Posted 27/01/2023 at 16:15:02
So, Sky says we get £40m for a player who misses every chance he gets to score. Good deal. I think he's Francis Jeffers Mk2. Time will tell, but I don't think he fancied either Bielsa or Dyche. Both of them require commitment and workrate. In any event Townsend will be more use to us in our relegation fight than Gordon would be. Hopefully we can also get a few Dyche type players in before the deadline with the fee from Gordon. I think we need more Darracotts on the pitch than Gordons!

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