Blunt Blues are crushed by rampant Arsenal

01/03/2023 70comments  |  Jump to last
Arsenal 4 - 0 Everton

Idrissa Gueye committed his second costly error in the space of four days to effectively put this game at the Emirates beyond Everton's reach in first-half stoppage time

Everton fell to their ninth defeat in 12 games to remain trapped in the relegation zone following a comprehensive defeat by Premier League leaders Arsenal at the Emirates Stadium.

Sean Dyche’s game plan of containment and counter-attack had been working as intended, from the defensive perspective at least, for 40 minutes but a momentary loss of shape allowed the Gunners in and then just five minutes later, another horrendous and costly error by Idrissa Gueye effectively put the game beyond the Blues’ reach given their inability to score goals of their own.

Mikel Arteta’s men then simply underlined their vast superiority in the second half, sweeping the visitors aside by scoring twice more to extend their lead at the top to five points and leave Everton with a heavily bruised goal difference and in desperate need of victory this weekend in another relegation six-pointer at Nottingham Forest.

Dyche had kept faith with the same players who had started his last two matches in charge, with the exception of dropping Conor Coady to the bench in favour of Michael Keane, who made his first Premier League start of the season. That meant Neal Maupay leading the line once more in the continuing absence of Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Demarai Gray having to be content with a place on the bench alongside Ellis Simms.

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Everton began the contest full of determination and running, with a clear strategy to try and frustrate their hosts while hoping to fashion something either in transition or from a set-piece.

And after a Jorginho effort had floated over the bar following a corner at one end, they had the first shot on target when Maupay took advantage of space outside the box to test Aaron Ramsdale with a decent shot that the goalkeeper pushed away to safety from Arsenal’s perspective.

A minute later, the Blues were in on the counter after they won the ball back following an error in the middle from Amadou Onana but Dwight McNeil’s heavy touch in collecting Abdoulaye Doucouré’s pass forced him wide and though he was able to cut the ball across to Maupay, the Frenchman’s attempted heel flick was easily gathered by the goalkeeper.

Everton were doing a good job of keeping Arsenal at arm’s length and they sprang away on the counter again in the 28th minute, momentarily with four players against only two in red shirts but Gueye opted to pass to Doucouré to his left rather than Alex Iwobi marauding down the right and once again Maupay was foiled at the near post as Dyche’s side failed to find a telling final ball.

12 minutes later, the damn broke. Oleksandr Zinchenko spotted Bakayo Saka in space between Keane, who was out of position on the left side of defence, and Vitalii Mykolenko and the England international winger needed no further invitation to turn and lash a shot inside Jordan Pickford’s near post and high into the roof of the net.

If Dyche had been hoping to get to the interval in arrears by just the single goal, an inexplicable lapse by Gueye allowed Gabriel Martinelli to plunder a second in first-half injury time. The Senegalese midfielder dallied on the ball outside his own area and was robbed by Saka who prodded it off his toes to Martinelli who had no problem beating the stranded Pickford.

The goal was initially ruled out by the offside flag but a check by VAR determined that Martinelli had been behind the ball when Saka touched it on and referee Michael Oliver signalled a goal.

Gueye, whose concession of a penalty at Goodison Park on Saturday had allowed Aston Villa to take a lead they didn’t end up relinquishing, was hooked at the break by Dyche in favour of Mason Holgate in a direct change that deployed the centre-half in defensive midfield but the destination of the points was already beyond doubt.

Leandro Trossard might have made it 3-0 in the 57th minute but miscued Ben White’s cross from the right while McNeil, arguably the top performer in Blue on the night, forced a good save from Ramsdale with a powerful shot and the rebound from the keeper’s parry evaded the onrushing Doucouré allowing Arsenal to clear.

Seamus Coleman and Maupay were replaced by Ben Godfrey and Demarai Gray on the hour but the Gunners extended their lead with 20 minutes left when Trossard jinked down the home side’s left and crossed for Martin Odegaard to side-foot home.

Then, after Pickford had done brilliantly to deny Eddie Nketiah after the striker had been put clean through with a ball over the static defence, Nketiah got to the byline and zipped a low cross to the near post where Martinellu stabbed it home to complete the rout.

Substitute Fabio Vieira floated a late shot that dropped over the bar while Gray forced one last save from Ramsdale and Tom Davies, on for Doucouré in the 79th minute, failed to turn in the loose ball.

Overall, it was a miserable night for Everton who were always on a hiding to nothing and who, perhaps harshly, suffered another heavy defeat for the club on this ground. Arsenal became the first club in English league football to beat a single opponent 100 times with his latest triumph over the Toffees but Dyche will only be concerned about Sunday’s trip to the City Ground.

A win there would be only Everton’s second away from home this season but it would keep them in touch with their rivals to beat the drop and provide a massive shot in the arm for the battle ahead over the remaining 12 games.


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Tony Everan
1 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:50:27
We have to put this one behind us very quickly. Sunday is now crucial to our survival hopes. A win and we are in amongst it battling with a bit of renewed confidence.

Time to change things up front, we could play until the Green comet ZTF comes back and our forwards will still not score. Time for a 442, Simms / Gray may produce something ? Or just keep it as it is and give Simms the central role. Is there any hope at all that Calvert-Lewin will play?

Dave Abrahams
2 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:57:52
The last paragraph of Lyndon’s write up and the first one of Tony’s (1) are the post’s we should cling to and hope for, very poor tonight but there were positive signs in those first forty minutes that showed we are not done yet.
Jim Bennings
3 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:09:03
Dyche needs to quickly find a way to get some goals in this team.

I know he's very limited with what options he's got available to him but come on man, play two strikers if you persist with Maupay.

Sick of seeing tried and tested failures that give up every time they fall behind in matches.

That central midfield too is about as creative as a caveman with a broken rock in a dark cave.

You have to do something with this squad otherwise it's over before Spring is here properly.

Frank Sheppard
4 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:10:04
Result as expected.We really need to get something away at Forest. Unfortunately looks like a very tall order.
George Stuart
5 Posted 01/03/2023 at 00:23:56
We need a striker.
Maupay is not it.
Like him actually.
First name on the team list for a pub team.

I don't know. Free agent, promising kid, repurposed centre back. Gray in the middle. Ioubi. Something, anything.

George Stuart
6 Posted 02/03/2023 at 00:29:14
Also, I meant to ask, what does the director of football do ?
What is his salary ?
I didn't like the over rated Gordon but given the chances in the last 3 games(4 to 9 good chances), he would have scored one or two goals.
Who let's your only fit striker go before getting a replacement ?
Chris Keher
7 Posted 02/03/2023 at 02:05:40
I think if we persevere with Maupay as a lone striker we are a certainty for the drop.

We have to drop him and try someone else.

Si Cooper
8 Posted 02/03/2023 at 04:30:45
Gana has the same good points and bad points he's always had.

When he went to PSG we missed his terrier-like tackling; we never missed his generally limited passing ability and tendency to dawdle in possession. He's the sort of player ‘two-touch' training was invented for.

I thought he was a touch unlucky on Saturday because he was a fraction of a second from making that tackle but McGinn was cute enough to make sure of the contact which both prevented the tackle being successful and gave him the standard ‘justification' for flopping to the ground. Very soft but never going to be over-ruled by the VAR.

But it was poor judgement to attempt that tackle with the risk attached if it went wrong, just as it was poor judgement again last night not to ping it back to the goalie when you have no idea how long you've got before the opposition get their toe in.

The current central midfield three aren't working and we need to be able to at least keep clean sheets (yes I know about the lack of goals but I'm concentrating on one problem at a time). Is there a re-shuffle fresh combination that will give us a midfield without glaring weaknesses?

How do people think things worked when Holgate came on? Can we get enough energy and tackles from someone other than Gana or do we stick with him and reinforce the KISS principles he needs to stick to?

Tony Hill
9 Posted 02/03/2023 at 06:35:09
We did show some decent stuff and we did against Villa. Wolves losing was helpful.

Dyche obviously needs to shake it up and he’s a canny manager. There will be the usual twists, so let’s not melt after a very predictable result.

Jim Bennings
10 Posted 02/03/2023 at 06:51:25

We won't be finishing above Wolves.

Leeds, Southampton and Bournemouth are the teams we need to be focusing on, maybe Forest IF we get a win against them on Sunday.

Colin Glassar
11 Posted 02/03/2023 at 07:02:31
Barring a miracle we are almost certain to be relegated as we can’t score the goals to pick up the necessary points. It’s as simple as that.
Darren Hind
12 Posted 02/03/2023 at 07:06:01
It would be wrong to focus on any teams other than ourselves.

If we don't start winning games, it wont matter what the others do

Chris Donnelly
13 Posted 02/03/2023 at 07:07:15
Free agents available that are forwards:

Jurgen Locadia - Ex Brighton and PSV

Max Kruse (34) - knows where the back of the net is.

Isco - better than what we have

Simeone Zaza - scores goals in under performing sides

All BETTER than what we have!!!!

This is a slow death we are experiencing!! Long and painful…… RIP (Relegation is Probable)

Danny Baily
14 Posted 02/03/2023 at 07:10:32
I don't think Wolves are in the mix. Leeds might be, and Forest could be. But I think the bottom three is settled now.
Chris Donnelly
15 Posted 02/03/2023 at 07:25:23
Why doesn’t he play Cody up front, good in the air, has a bit of fight in him and play Mina at CB.
It’s a bit left field, but it might work.





Allan Board
16 Posted 02/03/2023 at 07:28:42
Oh well, at least Kenwright will be happy. "Woe is me" and all that eh you big headed moron.
Shit board,shit team- took liberties at the highest level for one too many year's and now the comeuppance is here.
You are going to need a new stadium Kenwright, cos the old one will get torn apart last day against Bournemouth pal.
I blame Kenwright completely.
Alan J Thompson
17 Posted 02/03/2023 at 07:40:29
Despite Optus's usual poor service I've just finished watching the game for the first time and have not read any comments but another awful display.

I wasn't enamoured by Dyche's appointment but he does seem to have better organized the defence but still seems to fall into the ways of his predecessors by sticking with the same bunch of players (team seems inapplicable) and some use the excuse that they see more of them at training which must mean they don't take what they see in the match as seriously.

It is either trendy or for marketing purposes that things are renamed such as "The Premier League" or "The Championship". Well let me rename Maupay's standard, 'The Dustbin", the man despite all his effort just isn't upto it.
I don't know what Doucoure did to fall out of favour with Lampard but I wish he would do it with Dyche.
McNeil was responsible for the first goal when he gave up tracking his man back and left Mykolenko with two to mark on the corner of the penalty box and Myko was damned if he went with one of them and damned if he didn't. I also have doubts about trying to sign a player but not able to when they want cash up front but are willing to let you pay for another in installments.
Gana must have thought the halftime whistle had gone but something like this has been waiting to happen in a few games but the Manager persisted in the same way his predecessors did until they realized Iwobi plays a lot better when used more centrally. And I suppose Tom Davies's knockers will be laying into him for missing an easy chance but by then we were four down and Arsenal taking the piss.

And finally a word about the one constant, the poor and inconsistent refereeing both on and off the pitch. Onana was hit by a deliberate arm/elbow to the head by the Arsenal player coming in on him in the first couple of minutes. Not even a foul was given when last week Doucoure was booked for accidentally hitting the man a metre behind him. And I'm sorry but the VAR given goal just looked wrong to me.

And now the bleedin' obvious, there aren't three teams worse than us!

Jim Bennings
18 Posted 02/03/2023 at 07:44:38
I said it before yesterday, and I don't want to sound like I'm becoming critical of Sean Dyche, Jesus he's only had 5 games here and can't be blamed but..

Some of his decisions in the last few games have made me a little concerned.

Why start Simms at Anfield and then not give him a chance in the next three to start?

Why persist with Iwobi out wide and keep ignoring Gray, ok Gray frustrates the life out of me too, but if one player can get three or four goals between now and May it's going to be Demarai Gray not Alex Iwobi.

Why the hell bring Michael Keane, who's career is all but finished at Everton out of the shadows and start him in the toughest away game of the season?

Why not start Mina and if he breaks down you have Coady on the bench anyway?

Why persist with Mykolenko who in my opinion is absolutely dreadful, not anything against the lad but he's not good enough, at anything, pace, aggressive, distribution, he's so poor.

The midfield of Doucoure, Gana and Onana is never working, not one of them have a clue what to do with the ball, none offer goals and very little defensive protection.

Change the formation if you must Sean, go with two strikers, if you really need to persist with Neal Maupay partner him with Simms.

I remember 1998/99 under Smith, we looked dead certs for relegation but it was only when he introduced Kevin Campbell and Franny Jeffers paired as two strikers that we finally realized that we had to score our way out of trouble.

I don't blame Dyche because much like Frank and those before him, he's working with braindead players.

But it's up to the manager to suss it out ASAP and try to make some difference, otherwise they may as well save the money on managerial appointments and just pull someone out the street to manage them.

Colin Glassar
19 Posted 02/03/2023 at 07:58:38
Good post, Jim. I’m not a Dyche fan but like you said, he inherited this dysfunctional mess. But he’s not doing himself any favours playing the same, useless players game after game.

I hold out a tiny bit of hope that once DCL, Garner and Patterson are back things might improve slightly but I’m not holding my breath.

Keith Gleave
20 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:00:25
It is utterly pointless putting crosses into a box with a five foot six striker. The ball has to be played through, hit in low and hard or there has to be two up front.
Gray would be a better option than Maupay, but why not play Doucoure, Onana or Cody up top.
I understand Dyche has little to play with but the current set up is not working.
Sam Hoare
21 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:03:12
Nothing is settled. There’s 13 games still for us which is more than a 1/3 of the season. Any team that can put together a decent run could probably pull themselves clear. The trouble is that we don’t look likely to be that team.

We are short up front. I’m not sure playing 2 bad strikers is going to help us more than playing than 1. It will just disrupt our ability to defend.

There’s still plenty of matches but obviously our lack of goal scorers is a massive problem. As much as Dyche would want to refute it I suspect our fate will depend heavily on the fitness and form of DCL. If he comes back he can provide a focal point and also a few goals. If, as is more likely, he continues to struggle then it will be an uphill battle. I wouldn’t bet heavily on our survival necessarily but it is certainly not settled.

Benjamin Dyke
22 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:03:14
In the big scheme of things a loss away at Arsenal is to be expected, particularly with the season they're having but we've lost at home to teams in the bottom half this season and lost nearly every away game and that's what needs to be turned around quickly. Without DCL playing it's looking impossible to score. That was our 11th game without scoring this season. It's hard to see us staying up but it's still possible of course. They look like players that would take us down right now.
Ian Bennett
23 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:07:35
I watched the goals again.

No press on the first, it makes it easy to pick out his man.

Suicidal from gana for 2nd

3rd they all run to the line, instead of marking the players in the box.

4th Tarkowski doesn't get close enough to protect the near post, with Godfrey not getting out quick enough to the cross.

All preventable goals with further mistakes thereafter. A catalogue of errors.

Danny O’Neill
24 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:23:57
I'm still hurting from last night. As seemingly always away to Arsenal, it wasn't a pleasant experience.

As the classic and sarcastic chat suggests, they must wish they could play us every week.

Although we beat them only a few weeks ago.

I know it's early days for Dyche, but we don't have much time.

I'm no FIFA 2000 or whatever the latest version is player. I haven't touched Football Manager games since my twenties, so I won't go into the this formation, this player debate in depth.

But he has to try something different to give us options to score goals. Mills? Simms?

I don't know much, but just do something different and send me home happy rather than with my tail between my legs.

Alan McGuffog
25 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:32:58
I'm sorry...I've banged on about this before, but is there any cost benefit of either our Academy or indeed our scouting system ?
In my young day we could call on Frank Wignall from the reserves for the odd appearance, if required. He was no world beater but a decent cover. After all this time on our books, if we are still asking questions about whether Simms can do a job then it's a disgrace.
Gerry Quinn
26 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:36:37
Everton clock up yet another miserable milestone. Arsenal have become the first team in English Football League history to record 100 wins over another English side with a historical statistic that is the first of its kind in this country. Arsenal’s all-time record against Everton now stands at: Played 204, Arsenal 100, Everton 61, Draw 43
Danny Baily
27 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:38:36
Well Gerry, at least we'll make them wait a few years to make it 101, barring a cup tie.
Danny O’Neill
28 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:47:09
Considering both clubs have the status of longest consecutive run in the top flight and most seasons played in the top flight respectively, it might not be a comfortable statistic, but one that could only be achieved between the likes of Everton and Arsenal either way.

We'll see Danny B; still more to go in this season. Last night at the Emirates was painful as it usually is, but still more to go in this season.

Gerry Quinn
29 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:52:27
Danny, I am surprised by the fact that the media remember anything happening at all before 1982!!!!!!!
Jim Bennings
30 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:55:42

I don't think even the Davies knockers can actually be bothered knocking him anymore.

Davies never was never the answer, never will be the answer, he's not good enough, another one of those players that has no real attributes to make it at this level but somehow he's managed to survive as a Premier League player for 7 years nearly.

But sadly he's not alone because he's in an entire team that is rank awful.

Danny O’Neill
31 Posted 02/03/2023 at 09:03:53
I think you mean 1992 Gerry, but I get the sentiment.

How has Tom Davies entered the conversation? He came on last night into a difficult situation and done no better but no worse than any other Everton player on the pitch against a very good team on their own patch who are challenging for the title who we beat several weeks ago.

We were well beaten by a good team. Sunday is what matters now.

Christopher Timmins
32 Posted 02/03/2023 at 09:17:08
For 40 minutes we put in a very good performance, unfortunately, a bit of quality was our undoing and once we went one down it was over.

Gana's error while horrific did not impact on the result as we were always going to score zero goals. The error may have implications for our goal difference but hopefully our survival won't come down to such tight margins.

We have to try something else up top at the weekend as we can't survive on a ration 2 or 3 goals every 5 or 6 games. In fairness to Maupay, he did average about 10 goals a season, 1 in every 4 games, when playing for Brighton, unfortunately for him, he is now not part of a team who can play joined up football which was the case at Brighton. He scored more goals there because they created more, many more chances.

Our season will not be defined by last night's result but it will be by the game on Sunday. We must take something from that game!

Danny, keep on believing, if you give up on them, it really is over

We are still in a better place than we were with the previous manager.

Did those brave souls, Board of Directors, put in an appearance last night?

Michael Nisbet
33 Posted 02/03/2023 at 09:22:44
While losing 4-0 is never good, it wasn't the worst part of the night for me. It was Onana going down like he was made of tissue paper every time Gabriel breathed on him. Absolutely pathetic. One of those times Arsenal were breaking on us while he was rolling around holding his mouth. If they had scored from that chance I'd have been livid with him. You want to see your players running through brick walls for the cause, not rolling around trying to cheat their way into a yellow or red card for the opposite player. If I was Dyche I'd be having a strong word with him.
Dave Williams
35 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:05:11
I agree Michael. The players need to show fight and make the opposition think twice about contesting a 50:50 ball rather than behaving like a pansy.

Last night was predictable- it’s the big one on Sunday. Hopefully Garner will be fit as he can both pass and shoot. Move Iwobi into the centre with instructions to play close to Simms from the start along with Mina. AreMills and Pryce worth a punt? Desperately need to find a combo that will scrap and work and refuse to lie down- do we have one somewhere?

Pete Neilson
36 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:08:52
When Maupay scores we riot.
Need to try something else now. We need to beat Forest. Hopefully Gray starts, and how close is Townsend to recovery?

Desperate times. What a state to have absolutely no goal threat in the team. Goals being a fundamental part of the game. Gross dereliction of duty either through incompetence or idiocy. Two goals from open play in four months says it all.

Mike Allen
37 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:13:12
Ernie Baywood
38 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:18:22
Jim and Danny. You know what? I'd play him.

I rate him similarly to just about everyone else on here. But he hardly plays and yet keeps on finding chances to score in his limited time on the pitch. Is it a shock that a derided sub player misses chances? Not at all. But it's incredible that he even gets the chances in this team. 4-0 down with seconds to go and the lad sprints half the pitch on the off chance of a rebound. It's more of what we need than any other midfielder is offering.

It's not like he'd be keeping a quality midfielder out of the team.

Mark Andrews
39 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:27:13
Anyone who thinks this squad can stay in the Premier League is deluding themselves.
We're gone, time to prepare for an extended stay in the championship. If you believe there are 3 worse teams than us then you're not being honest with yourself.
Moshiri should write an academic paper on how to destroy a club.
No strikers equal no goals. No goals means relegation.
Dave Williams
40 Posted 02/03/2023 at 12:25:03
We’re not gone! We have lost away to RS and the champions elect. Even if we were in the top 6 we would expect that. We lost to Villa at home- bad result but countered by beating Arsenal at home and beating Leeds as we would expect. Last night was awful but expected.
Forest is a must win- defeat would be very damaging whilst a win drags them back into it. Dyche has three young players capable of scoring in Simms Mills and Garner. Can we do any worse than playing at least Garner plus one other from the start? We have to find goals from somewhere and Maupay sure as hell isn’t the answer.
Keep the faith!!!
Jim Bennings
41 Posted 02/03/2023 at 12:28:49
Onana disappoints me when I watch him in fairness.

Yes we've seen some glimpses of his athletism but I compare his to Fellaini's first season with us and it's chalk and cheese.

Fellaini struggled in that first year with the pace of midfield and the physicality but he was nuisance factor, made himself a problem and he used his height as a pain in the arse for opponents and chipped in with 9 goals.

Onana seems a bit meek to me, not really one for trying to dominate or make himself a nuisance for opponents, in all honesty I struggle to see what his assests are meant to be right now.

Joe McMahon
42 Posted 02/03/2023 at 12:37:51
Dave@40, please don't have blindfaith with Dyche. This squad is far worse compared to the Burnley team that got relegated last season. Sean was sacked on 15th April when that had won just 4 games all season. It was played 30, won 4.
Sam Hoare
43 Posted 02/03/2023 at 12:58:33
Joe, I think you have to remember that Dyche had been with Burnley for around 10 years by last season. Very, very few managers can stay at one club for so long without things going a bit stale (as happened with Moyes at Everton around a similar time).

I’m not suggesting he is definitely going to save us (far from it) but I think he was a sensible appointment and kept similar Burnley teams up a few times. I think we’ve been a bit unlucky, certainly against Villa and arguably last night where Arsenals first even half chance saw an absolutely world class finish from Saka that he’d struggle to replicate. It’s not over yet.

Jim Bennings
44 Posted 02/03/2023 at 13:01:29
I won't blame Dyche if we go down, same way I would not have blame Frank Lampard.

Lampard was inexperienced as a Premier League manager, he needed a more stable club than Everton to take charge of, it was only ever going to end in tears once we failed last summer to get the correct players in to the team.

Dyche is more experienced, more hard-nosed, however he's only ever really been in relegation battles himself, so that probably tells you something too.

I didn't really expect us to be free scoring under Dyche anyway, I thought we'd be a bit harder to beat, so far we haven't been, apart from Arsenal at home, the same glass jaw is there as seen last night.

I won't have blind faith in him keeping us up if we can't find a formula that brings goals.

That's not Dyche's fault necessarily, he's been brought in late with a big task, a task that was always from day one equally capable of failing as much as it was succeeding.

Robert Tressell
45 Posted 02/03/2023 at 13:20:59
With Dyche we still have a chance.

But the real issue is forward options. Unfortunately use of Coady as a forward or getting in someone like Locadia is very unlikely to help. It's more logical to use Gray and Simms more - perhaps together with Maupay at the expense of midfield players.

Again unfortunately there is no real solution. It's just another bad option really but at some point we have to roll the dice and try something to give us a goal threat.

Holgate and Keane in the side, possibly in midfield or RB at least give us height etc at set pieces.

But Dyche despite 3 defeats from 5 is definitely doing a better job than Lampard. But he's not magician.

Robert Tressell
46 Posted 02/03/2023 at 13:22:40
On Fellaini, he had the benefit of slotting into a well drilled, well assembled Moyes side. Onana is being asked to perform within an absolute shambles.
Ray Jacques
47 Posted 02/03/2023 at 13:26:18
The current situation is at the door of the gutless/invisible board. Where are they?? Billy Bullshit, chairman supreme is usually ready to spout his shite to all and sundry, Little Miss Dynamite the so called CEO is hiding in a cupboard in case of another headlock, Moshiri the stooge of Usminov just lies and wants out probably worried about the storm to come over the funding when it all goes pear shaped with the big R in May, Sharpe and Thelwell silent by association, pair of spineless goons.

If the team are a reflection of the board then relegation is certain. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but the overwhelming reason at the end of the season for relegation will be the inaction of the above cretins to remove Lampard after the two Bournemouth fiascos and give a new manager a 6 week pre season and a following 4 week transfer window to try and change things. The interim defeats to Wolves, Soton and West Ham will be the defining moments. Dyche would have gotten some points from them games and that will be the difference.
I could weep, 50 years of support and I am embarrassed by the whole place, any pride has gone and its impossible to defend EFC against work colleagues/friends when they have a go. Gotten that way that I really cant be arsed anymore, how sad. I see the new ground and cringe at the uselessness of it all on the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey. What a joke!!

Rennie Smith
48 Posted 02/03/2023 at 13:53:23
Of course it's all doom and gloom this morning, understandably, but let's get some perspective on the opposition and how for 40 minutes we contained them pretty well. I'm ok(ish) to write off the away games if we can get some good results at home, but you don't need to be a genius to work out that's only going to happen if we can find someone who actually knows where the goal is.

The Villa result didn't reflect the performance, but it still shows an away win on the coupon so who cares. Dyche can't rely on the CB's scoring from corners every game, but he can't polish a striker turd. I'm worried about the amount of "DCL we need you" comments because a) I don't think we'll see him anytime soon, and b) he had one good season under Carlo and he's no messiah, heaping that amount of pressure on him is only going to compound his obvious mental issues. From hearing what he says, I think Dyche has pretty much given up on him already. He clearly doesn't fancy Gray and he's worried that Simms is too inexperienced and again, won't handle the pressure, but both of those options are surely better than Maupay. I've never seen a striker attack the ball less than this lad, he's like the big lad up front in your pub team who will only score if he gets a cross that lands on his head without the need for moving. His USP seems only to be, he's an annoying little shit that snaps at defenders all game.

I'm still not without hope, otherwise what's the point of pitching up every weekend to cheer the lads on?

Barry Hesketh
49 Posted 02/03/2023 at 14:07:25
Rennie @48

I agree that there's still all to play for. Having just watched a video of Maupay's goals for Brighton the other season, the lad is a good finisher, although the video didn't show how many he may have missed, but there's little doubt that he's no centre-forward.

I would play him deeper or on the flanks and let Simms be the target man with a remit to win and keep the ball, with less of a burden for him to score himself. We have to try something before we run out of games.

Jim Bennings
50 Posted 02/03/2023 at 14:25:42
Rennie @48,

Unfortunately though mate it doesn't matter what happened for the first 40 minutes if you lose a game eventually by a score of 4-0.

It's like saying if you get to the FA Cup Final "we lost 4-0 but after 40 minutes it was 0-0".

Completely irrelevant.

Everton are in a situation now where they need to start showing bollocks and cut out hard luck stories, blaming refereeing decisions, blaming missed chances, blaming injury.

Get out there and find a way to start scoring some goals and then maybe luck will change.

It's a huge two games here now with Nottingham Forest away and Brentford at home, both different challenges and both equally difficult due to Forest being solid at the City Ground and us being apathetic away.

But we need to start putting points on the board not just patting ourselves on the back after another defeat with a scoreless game.

Rennie Smith
51 Posted 02/03/2023 at 14:34:54
I agree, Jim, totally irrelevant. I suppose the point I was making was that I believe there is still hope based on the performances since Dyche has come in. But as you imply, you don't get sympathy points in this league.

It would be just our luck that Toney gets his ban on the 12th March, but I think we can get 4 points from the next few games. I know, I better go for a lie down...

Dale Self
52 Posted 02/03/2023 at 14:57:47
Good take Rennie There is reason to believe but everyone is worn down from the inconsistency Some tweaks were promising in how we created some opportunities that were not all from counterattacks but the final pass or finish is not there yet. Keep it going man, I’ll help out once I get past the Goner flashbacks. Is Garner ready yet?
Paul Kossoff
53 Posted 02/03/2023 at 15:47:10
Shorn Dyche press con. I was very pleased with the game. We kept a clean sheet for 40 mins I couldn't ask for more.
Sako,s goal was brilliant, he's a lovely lad and his mom loves him. I can't fault Idris,s. mistake, he's in a world of his own, but he's a lovely lad and his mom loves him. Mo, pay is brilliant, he runs around a lot and possibly he may score a goal just on law of average, but he's a lovely lad etc. Will we stay up? Ha ha ha, well they are all lovely lads and I'm sure most will find clubs to sign for when, erm if we go down.
DLC,s availability? Ha ha ha, well he's a lovely lad and at the moment is on a photo fashion shoot in Monaco modeling the latest gowns and hand bags. Forest, what forest? Oh the game, well I haven't got a clue, possible Mo, Pay up front and keep the score down, as we did at Arsenal.
Relegation? If it happens, oh well, I will not be held responsible but I expect payment in full when sacked, ok lads,see you after the game ha ha ha, swats large black fly on head. Pride and prejudyce and zombies used them to seek out the walking dead.. Is Dyche turning into one? Scary times in our twilight zone. Surely our safety is one step beyond for our very own Shorn of the dead.
Barry Hesketh
54 Posted 02/03/2023 at 17:15:57
This is a strange one isn't it?
By Lucas Sposito for sports witness 2nd March 2023

Fenerbahce are interested in Everton midfielder Alex Iwobi, according to reports from the Turkish media.

Outlet A Spor today writes that the 26-year-old is currently ‘unhappy’ at Goodison Park, looking to leave the club as soon as possible.

And the ‘best option’ for him after leaving Everton is said to be Fenerbahce, who are willing to take him to the Super Lig. The Turkish club are saying to be ‘trying hard’ for the signing, hoping to get the transfer done before the end of the local window, which closes on the 5th of March.

Mike Allison
55 Posted 02/03/2023 at 17:38:03
Sean Dyche might be the worst manager yet. Team selection is awful and getting worse not better. Coady is better than Keane, Gray has to play, Iwobi has never, ever, ever been a winger and Simms is the only possible option to play as a ‘9’. That Dyche can’t see any of this has got me less optimistic than I was under Frank.
Eddie Dunn
56 Posted 02/03/2023 at 17:58:38
Well Mike, he has had five games and won two of them. Compare that to Lampard.
Lots of people thought Coady needed dropping for some poor mistakes.
Gray played regularly under Lampard and we lost game after game.
I agree that Simms needs a proper run.
The board fucked this up, not Dyche.
Danny O’Neill
57 Posted 02/03/2023 at 18:29:32
Total random one here but I'm a superstitious soul.

Even though I was pitch side on the front row, I've just realised looking at the footage that we wore all blue. I didn't take much notice at the time.


We should have worn white socks.

Sorry, just a light hearted look on a dark night.

Dennis Stevens
58 Posted 02/03/2023 at 18:36:09
Agreed, Danny.

Tbh, I don't like it when we wear all blue - looks too much like Leicester City or Chelsea, etc.

I'd rather we wear a change kit - we have enough of them! We could even take a leaf out of ManUre's book & wear black shorts rather than white - could you imagine them wearing all red?!

David West
59 Posted 02/03/2023 at 18:44:35
Mike 55 harsh on dyche.
I hope he can see the points you make though. Iwobi has returned to the player who looked like a shadow of a footballer under other mangers before Frank give him a shot in the middle.

Gray is our most effective attacking option. Play him. Set up team to get the best out of him. He's the only one who is capable of something unexpected or capable of going past a couple of people. He's the only 1 who's not scared to shoot. Why he's being used so sparingly is strange to me.

3 dm players are not going to get us goals. All 3 look tired because playing every game. We may get more from them if 1 is rested and rotated.

I don't have all the answers but options need to be looked at now. 2 up front has to be tried, maupay will benefit from a partner as will simms or gray.

Phil mckeown
60 Posted 02/03/2023 at 19:26:19
Not that Harsh on Dyche, some very valid points Lampard won 2 of his 1st 5 games as well btw, New manager bounce and all that
This is not an attack on Dyche, he is trying to install excellent values in a team full of players lacking character and have done since Bobby Brown shoes phenomenal cultural change in 2014.
However, in a team with little attacking threat, Gray has been our best attacking player this season and has hardly had a sniff.
Its a bit like the Government. No matter who is in charge after a while , most people will either hate you or want a change cos the job is f***ed in the first place.
Replace the board so that we can have a culture change with competent professionals like Newcastle have done.
Or just fold the club so I can spend my money on heating instead of counselling
Rob Rothwell
61 Posted 02/03/2023 at 19:43:11
Ray 47.

I hear you. I'm 40 years in and have the same sentiments.

Very sad.

Ian Riley
62 Posted 02/03/2023 at 22:39:55
If dyche saves us? Freedom of the city! Dyche knows the premiership and the championship which currently we are heading for! This club has been on the slide for years. Realistically, relagation should have happened last season or will it be next season or this? Something is wrong at this club. Average players, we have too many. We sell our best and buy average. Eventually this policy catches up with you.

Sean Dyche works for us as he may find a way. If he can't then we are in a mess! The championship is tough and we need dyche's experience to help us gain promotion.

One positive is we still have a chance, why? Sean dyche! Let's not have Everton are too big for dyche. Really? To be honest I'm shocked he took the job in our current situation.

Mike#55 coady does not play well in a back 4. More comfortable in a back 3 to what I saw of him when playing at wolves. Just my observation. Sean Dyche has only had weeks to assess and implement changes. Time and matches not on his side. Players need to work harder.

Nick Page
63 Posted 02/03/2023 at 23:44:04
“Something is wrong at this club”. Yes, Ian. It’s called Bill Kenwright. A man that was out of date 20 years ago when City and Villa were getting rid of Swales and Ellis.

Quite how long this parasite has survived is testament to the complete fucking ignorance of the fanbase. It’s hard to believe that so many, so called savvy street-wise Scousers have been had off by a big Tory Actor from “that London”, who is stealing your wages for his and his mates salary, is absolutely embarrassing to say the least. In fact it’s disgusting and every single one of you who held this man in high regard should hang your head in shame.

Everton Football Club is not Bill Kenwright and it never has been. If any one person ever claims to be bigger than the football club It’s a warning sign. He’s a leach, a fraud, a complete fake and he should be frog marched out of this city forever.

Get him out

Get Baxter out

Get them all out

And pray we survive as a football club. We are getting relegated but we need to survive and bounce back. The players need the support,

Anthony Murphy
64 Posted 03/03/2023 at 00:42:23
Going to be positive here after spending the day feeling like it’s game over. We aren’t down yet. A third of the season still to play. Realistically we can take 4 points from our next two games - that puts us on 25 with 11 games left to play. From those 11 we could (again realistic) pick up 3 wins and 3 draws - another 12 points putting us on 37 - that should be enough. We just need to pick up something against Forest to stop the rot and give us a bit of hope. It’s Forest not Real Madrid - we can get something and then Brentford at home next - both tough games but we can pick up 4 points. It will probably go to the wire, but I’d take that now
Nick Page
65 Posted 03/03/2023 at 00:59:54
Delusional, Anthony. We don’t score goals lad
Kieran Kinsella
66 Posted 03/03/2023 at 01:49:21

I’m with Anthony. Not based on any logic just the fact we’ve never been relegated in my life so I can’t imagine it. I guess it’s like dying. You know it’s going to happen but you just think of it as something that happens to other people until it happens to you.

Don Alexander
67 Posted 03/03/2023 at 02:40:39
I'm now 68 years old, first matched watched aged 8, first adored team (and what a team) '68-'70 (until the suicidal sale of Alan Ball - another monumental OG - amongst a lot of others).

I say this because at my age, whilst I am genuinely admiring of those who still openly "hope" for this season (as I used to do in decades gone by), I realised decades ago under Kenwright, and five years ago regarding Moshiri, that mere hope is like a balloon -

one prick and it's gone.

So remind me, just how many pricks still run the club?

Pete Clarke
68 Posted 03/03/2023 at 03:09:41
Backing Everton to stay up is like backing a rank outsider to get a place in the National. Of course it has a chance but you really have to hope that most of the other horses fall.
Forest for me is the first hurdle and possibly our easiest game left to play. If we fall at that hurdle then we are wasting our time hoping the others fall because it’s over.
The horse that is currently Everton has an amateur jockey, no saddle, no whip and the trainer leaves the horse in a paddock full of thick grass all week without it ever seeing the gallops.
Anthony Murphy
69 Posted 03/03/2023 at 11:07:32
Nick, I don’t like being called deluded by someone who doesn’t know me from Adam. On this site and elsewhere I never call people out in this way - I just think it’s for those who lack courage - easy via a keyboard from your mums bedroom, but you carry on mate - I’ll still think we’ve got a chance until we’re gone.
Mike Keating
70 Posted 03/03/2023 at 11:10:49
If you really are at a loose end why not take the time to vote for your Everton Goal of the Month?

Of the five on offer only one is scored by a member of the first team and he’s a full back - says it all really.

Ray Jacques
71 Posted 03/03/2023 at 13:29:59
Anthony, I understand your dislike of the word deluded from a stranger. How about misguided?

I hope you are right and we can stay up, but I just don't see it.

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