Arsenal 4 - 0 Everton [90']

Everton played well for the first 40 minutes until they were cut asunder by pure quality. Then a Gana brainfart opened the floodgates.

Michael Keane replaces Conor Coady to make his first Premier League start of the season with Nathan Patterson and James Garner still considered lacking fitness for the test at this level. 

Sean Dyche still refuses to play more than one man up front, with the familiar style of "Keep it tight and try to nick one" – backs-to-the-wall defence. 

Amadou Onana set the game in motion and he was soon writhing in agony from a flailing arm off Gabriel – but Arsenal git the restart? And the breaks in play came thick and fast, which may better suit the All Blues.

At least Everton were prepared to press for the ball but Arsenal got forward and won a corner off Mykolenko. Jorginho played a high lob over the goal. Maupay got the ball in space and shot at Ramsdale. Onana made a terrible giveaway toOdegarrd but Gana won it back and fed McNeil for a great cross that Maupay hopelessly tried to backheel a feeble effort past Ramsdale instead of striking the ball with force. 

That wasted golden chance seemed to enliven Arsenal, who attacked Everton and won another corner, cleared but then lost by Maupay, and a more expected gameplan set in with Everton parking the bus. When the Blues did get the ball off Arsenal, they failed to use it with enough guile before possession reverted. 

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After a particularly boring spell, Jorginho overhit his low forward pass through everyone.  Iwobi won the ball well and drove forward, Maupay playing another daft backheel that did bring at least bring Everton's firsts corner, cleared, with Arsenal breaking at pace, Iwobi doing well to shepherd Martinelli behind. 

Onana collapsed with an elbow in the jaw from Xhaka, Michael Oliver reluctantly stopping play eventually. Tarkowski did well to stall Trossard. 

A good break led by Gana saw Doucoure find Maupay on the wrong foot perhaps? He needed an extra touch instead of shooting first time and the chance was gone. 

At the other end, Arsenal got a bit closer this time – their first decent ball into Everton's 6-yard box, but cleared by Tarkowski. Onan felt more unwelcome attention from Gabriel's elbow and collapsed again, but Michael Oliver was not interested. 

Keane did really well to break up Arsenal play in the final third but Everton could make nothing of the advantage gained. Another red surge was anticipated well by Pickford. 

A turnover forced by Tarkowski set up another decent spell of forward play but with no end product, despite plenty of intent and purpose, until they played it all the way back to  Pickford and squandered any initiative, inviting Arsenal to probe slowly around again.  

And finally it came: a great ball from Zinchenko simply sliced straight through the Blue wall, Saka spinning and smacking a brilliant shot past Pickford into the roof of the net. Pure quality. From the restart, Maupay again wasted the ball up top. Everton got a free-kick upfield but they were flagged for offside after it was taken. 

Gana came so close to giving away a second, allowing Saka to prod the ball forward off him as he dithered inexplicably for Martinelli to finish. Immediately it was flagged offside in real time but the VAR soon decided it was not. It looked every inch offside but it's all about which frame at which the VAR freezes the motion. Crazy. Apparently offside but still behind the ball. Go figure!

Dyche must have been livid. Gueye did not reappear, Holgate on in his place. But this was now a huge mountain to climb. Mykolenko did well to stop Saka, the same two players then wrestling over the ball. Everton were resorting to hoofball from Coleman then Pickford, each time gifting the turnover. 

Tarkowski tackled Odegaard a fraction late for the first yellow card. The ball fell to Maupay in an advanced position but his half-volley on the bounce was shockingly pathetically astoundingly well wide of the mark. He was thankfully withdrawn on the hour.

Saka swung in a very dangerous ball that Trossard fortunately missed. At the other end, McNeil strode forward and actually hit the ball properly, but Ramsdale was equal to it. 

Keane did well to block Martinelli's cross on the overlap, at the expense of a corner. Saka and Mrtinellli almost combined at the far post. Godfrey tried to protect the ball from Trossard and he saw yellow.  

Onana did really well to intercept Trossard's cross but little else was happening for the hapless Blues with Arsenal in complete command since the break. Trossard overlapped again and his cutback was buried by Odegaard, Mykolenko unable to deflect it clear. 

Arsenal waltzed through again with an almost identical move but this time somehow failed to score a fourth. It became target practice for Nketiah, Pickford advancing well and stopping that one with his chest. 

Nketiah then turned provider for Martinelli at close range. The Blues were a sorry lot, just desperate to keep the score down for the last 20 minutes.

A sad sight that summed up the night was that quintessential Everton product, Tom Davies, trying to bring the ball forward in a counter and stumbling all over it with his bare naked shins. Them missing an open goal by again stumbling over the ball gifted to him by Ramsdale after good work by Gray to set it up.

Arsenal: Ramsdale, White, Saliba, Gabriel, Zinchenko (82' Tierney), Xhaka (73' Vieira), Jorginho (46' Partey), Odegaard, Saka (82' Smith Rowe), Martinelli, Trossard (72' Nketiah).

Subs not Used: Turner, Tomiyasu, Holding, Kiwior.

Everton: Pickford, Coleman (60' Godfrey [Y:66']), Keane, Tarkowski [Y:51'], Mykolenko, Onana, Gana  (46' Holgate), Doucoure (79' Davies), Iwobi, McNeil, Maupay (60' Gray).

Subs not Used: Begovic, Mina, Coady, Vinagre, Simms. 



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Dennis Stevens
1 Posted 01/03/2023 at 18:47:52
Keane! There's a surprise
Lee Paige
2 Posted 01/03/2023 at 18:48:55
Roger De Nobrega
3 Posted 01/03/2023 at 18:50:59
If anyone knows Keane best it will be Dyche! Not sure if Keane and Tarkowski ever played alongside each other at Burnley but fingers crossed...With McNeil it looks like a Burnley side. Where is Ashley Barnes when you need him :) COYB
Mark Ryan
4 Posted 01/03/2023 at 18:53:46
Only a matter of time before he used Keane. He trusted him at Burnley. He'll hopefully turn him back into a better player
John Zapa
5 Posted 01/03/2023 at 18:54:56
Hundreds of millions spent and somehow the bench consists of defenders who the manager mostly doesn't trust, 2 academy products nowhere near the quality needed and a 1.6m signing who happens to be top scorer with 3 goals by March. Shameful.
Geoff Lambert
6 Posted 01/03/2023 at 18:55:19
Looks like hes going to park the No 3 to Speke. No goals in that team for us except maybe from a set-piece.
Jim Bennings
7 Posted 01/03/2023 at 18:55:29
Simms clearly isn't rated then I'm guessing.
Jim Bennings
9 Posted 01/03/2023 at 18:55:56
Simms clearly isn't rated then I'm guessing.

What odds on a Maupay red card?

Jim Bennings
10 Posted 01/03/2023 at 18:56:36
ToffeeWeb on a tits up tonight or what lads???
Stu Gore
11 Posted 01/03/2023 at 18:56:39
How many central defenders on the bench?
Brian Hennessy
12 Posted 01/03/2023 at 18:56:47
Keane up front and Maupay centre half!
Roger De Nobrega
13 Posted 01/03/2023 at 18:56:55

Keane and Tarkowski played 21 times as a central pair together at Burnley

Andy Crooks
14 Posted 01/03/2023 at 18:57:58
Glad to see Keane start. It shows something different, throwing the dice, taking a chance. Keane has something to prove and Dyche has created a possible scenario.
Keane, first goal scorer, man of the match, Everton legend.

Andy Crooks
15 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:00:28
I'd have Godfrey at left back.
Michael Lynch
16 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:03:12
If mediocre centre halves ever become a legal currency, we’re gonna be the richest club in the world
Bill Gienapp
17 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:03:57
I'll give Dyche the benefit of the doubt re: Keane, though not using a healthy Mina when you actually have him at your disposal is starting to feel self-defeating (that being said, I could easily see Keane heading one in off a corner kick and extending our impressive streak of players sitting on exactly one goal to nine).
Fran Mitchell
18 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:05:20
Keane was decent when we play low block style football, he was good under Ancelotti when he had us defending deep. His vulnerabilities became much more evident, especially under Lampard, when we tried to play high line, play 'neat' football.

Today will be a backs to the wall type game. As a pure defender, tackling and heading, Keane is better than Coady. Tarkowski and Keane, very Burnley.

No surprises with the rest. Maupay continues, which suggests Dyche will likely stick with him for the foreseeable. Hopefully he can do a job.


Neil Thomas
19 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:08:46
I can see a 0-5 result for Everton tonight
John Charles
20 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:08:54
Thank god Coadys out.
I would have rested Seamus and played Godfrey.

Darren Hind
21 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:09:16
In fairness Coady has not been covering himself in glory. Big ask of Keane though.

This'll be interesting

Christy Ring
22 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:13:26
John, I would have played Holgate and Godfrey as fullbacks
Dennis Stevens
23 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:14:37
Keane's first start since our last visit
Roger De Nobrega
24 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:22:30
Live links for tonight??
Nick Lacey
25 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:22:43
I think Dyche has got it wrong with persisting with Maupay. He has scored 1 goal in over 50 games. We know what we are going to het with him.
Eddie Dunn
26 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:24:27
Keane's inclusion means one's the Alamo.
Kieran Kinsella
27 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:27:57
I actually thought Tarkowski looked best this season before Coady came along. With that having been said, lot of pressure on Keane, a guy with fragile confidence.
Stuart Sharp
28 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:30:41
Can't believe he's sticking with Maupay. Cue pointless crosses. But he's obviously been reading TW and recent discussions about Coady. He just never made it through to the bit about replacing him with Mina. Time to get behind the sofa...
Neil Tyrrell
29 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:31:30
If nothing else Maupay really pissed them off a few weeks ago at Goodison, maybe he can goad Zinchenko or Xhaka into a red card. And then score the winner!
Nick Page
30 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:56:21
Football things that don’t happen to Everton, in no particular order:

Flukey goals
Penalties for
Red cards against

Any sign of the fat parasite and his minions stinking out the EFC seats in the DB?

Si Cooper
31 Posted 01/03/2023 at 19:56:50
The players should know the formula by now.
Keep it really simple, defend like tigers and shoot on sight!
Neil Tyrrell
32 Posted 01/03/2023 at 20:10:35
Nick, we have plenty of luck, it's just that none of it is of the good variety.

And we do get at least one flukey goal a season, including one here a couple of years back when Leno basically og'd it.

Mind you we've already had one of those this season with DeGea

Neil Tyrrell
33 Posted 01/03/2023 at 20:34:34
Gueye what are you fucking doing?
Colin Glassar
34 Posted 01/03/2023 at 20:37:30
Gana, play to the whistle. He just stopped dead in his tracks. I’m sure I heard Oliver whistle just before.
Paul Birmingham
35 Posted 01/03/2023 at 20:38:58
Decent until the poor defending by The Everton midfielder and a Gana and Mykolenko gave Arsenal the freedom of the pitch for Zara’s goal.

Not sure what a Gana was thinking, play the whistle, ffks.

Self inflicted by Everton, can they learn from their mistakes?

Ray Griffin
36 Posted 01/03/2023 at 20:39:06
Gueye is a liability now, too slow mentally & physically – got to get him out of that midfield. This isn't PSG where he got away with fannying about.
Brian Hennessy
37 Posted 01/03/2023 at 20:41:14
I thought we were really good for the first 40 minutes. Saka was given too much space but still an incredible finish. I would still have given us a chance at 1-0 in the second half but what on earth was Gana thinking for the second. shocking from such an experienced player.
Colin Malone
38 Posted 01/03/2023 at 20:42:47
Onana posing around. If you're going to do that lad, make something happen, when you have the ball.
Michael Kenrick
39 Posted 01/03/2023 at 20:43:17
That really was an absolutely atrocious goal for Idrissa Gana Gueye to give away. All that good effort for most of the half totally wasted. Mind you, Maupay is just fucking useless – as if we didn't already know.

Something far better needed from Sean Dyche.

Mark Andrews
40 Posted 01/03/2023 at 20:44:54
19 points from the remaining games? Not a chance. I'd be amazed if we get 10.
Championship bound. Nice work Fahad. All that money spent killing a club.
Bill Gall
41 Posted 01/03/2023 at 20:47:06
When you are in the top six never mind first place the decisions go against you, 3 deliberate blows to the face on Onana and not even the player spoken to never mind cautioned, and as it has been said before the offside was given because I players boot was smaller than the other player. We are aware of our problems upfront but it seems criminal to play a goalscorer that cant score every week
Brian Hennessy
42 Posted 01/03/2023 at 20:51:12
Bill, as much as it pains me to say it, the replay showed he was onside. Although i'm sure if you stopped the frame a fraction earlier it could look the opposite.
Dave Abrahams
43 Posted 01/03/2023 at 20:52:36
Holgate on for Gana.
Neil Tyrrell
44 Posted 01/03/2023 at 20:56:05
Not that he's got too many options, but if I was Dyche I'd never play Gueye again after that. It was bad enough that I'd be doing a forensic examination of recent deposits into his bank account.
Mark Andrews
45 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:02:48
That's a punishment sub if ever there was one. He's been riddled with errors since he returned from PSG.
Jerome Shields
46 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:19:22
Seen second half and gathered that Maupay was as hopeless as the first.Thought that Dyche would have played Simms, after Maupay's display on Saturday.Was glad that Keane played instead of Cody, after Saturday.Terrible mistake by Gueye. He is increasely getting caught in those defensive positions.Iowbi and Onano never there to help out.
Colin Malone
47 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:22:12
Iwobi gone missing. Onana been missing all game. Substitutions have made us worse. Still no one up top who can hold the ball up.
Fucking shite.
Mark Andrews
48 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:28:01
Looking forward to next seasons Deepdale Derby.
Mick Conalty
49 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:30:00
I see richarleson taken of spurs v sheff utd.
He was total shite
If he was Everton's saviour
We deserve to be relegated.
Neil Tyrrell
50 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:30:42
There's 4
Up to Arsenal how many they want to score now. Pathetic.
Pete Hughes
51 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:31:51
If ever a club deserves relegation its this one!
Jerome Shields
52 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:32:14
Actually getting points at Arsenal was not going to happen.Just Write it off.Dyche has some thinking to do regarding midfield and Centre Forward positions.
Bill Gall
53 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:36:59
Relegation is starting to look more than a possibility it is starting to look more like a probability. Hats off to our away supporters who have to put up with the home crowds.You deserve a medal
Paul Birmingham
54 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:37:11
Bad for Evertons GD, no more please.

7 mins of madness at the end of the 1st half...

But amaeuter defending and a mountain to climb, and sadly Everton have reverted to type.

But let’s see who has the stomach for the weekly battles now.

Forest is a must win, now, a point is not bad but Everton need the points, and to beat Brentford as well.

Hopefully Toney, will be banned for that game.

A bad night, in a tough week.

Kieran Kinsella
55 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:37:20
Amnesiacs have been posting on here all week that we should mix things up, drop Coady. Bring in the old "favorites" Keane, Holgate and co. Well, guess what. There is a reason these jokers got half a dozen managers sacked. Not saying that Coady and Gana and great or even good but I really didn't understand this new found optimism in a bench with about as much life in it as a morgue. The only players we have who MAY and I emphasize MAY, make a difference are unfit or unproven (DCL, Garner, Townsend). The only hope is back against the wall, 1-0 wins with goals off corners. There is no open play, normal functional footballing solution that involves Bill's dream team surviving in another manner.
Mark Andrews
56 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:38:11
Everton. The turd you can't roll in glitter but can flush to the championship.

We're gone.

I didn't expect a win but wasn't expecting a white flag. Dyche won't be getting that bonus.

Gavin Johnson
57 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:42:15
We were never going to get anything from this game and with 3 games in 8 days I'd have liked to have seen Coleman rested and Mykolenko dropped.

If we don't get anything at Forest I will be worried.

Christy Ring
58 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:42:59
Sunday is definitely a 6 pointer.
Michael Lynch
59 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:43:45
I didn't think we could look any worse, but then Godfrey came on.

I guess that tells us why Dyche keeps playing the same team. It's the best we have. Godfrey was dismal. Everton were dismal.

Still, the Shite are doing us a favour. We have to find a way to win at Forest, which also means finding a way to score.

I'm a devout atheist, but I'll be lighting a candle on Sunday.

Joe McMahon
60 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:46:13
New Manager changes nowt, its the squad. The People's Club, the Grand Old Team will entertain Plymouth, Doncaster and Preston next season. How ironic that Dyche will see Burnley overtake Everton. This team is Toast, it's done.

The quality of the squad is just horrendous.

George Cumiskey
61 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:47:11
Now that's what you call humiliation, worst performance of the season for me.
Mark Andrews
62 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:47:32
94th minute. A vet came on, put screens around Everton and a shot rang out around the Emirates. Everton's misery was ended, until next week.
Kieran Kinsella
63 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:47:49

No kidding. Points apart, if we lose they could go level with us on goal difference. Just a few weeks ago we were looking at their dismal goal difference as an indicator they could be for the drop.

Colin Malone
64 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:48:28
If we keep starting with Maupay. We are fucked.
Kunal Desai
65 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:48:39
Did okay for 40 minutes, we were frustrating them with alot of there passing going a miss but once they got the first game, it was game over.

From where I was sat I thought Saka pushed Gana. Was it not a foul or did Saka get a touch?

Off to drown my sorrows now. We simply have to win one of the next two fixtures.

Rob Dolby
66 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:50:43
We are playing with 10 men with Maupay he just isn't good enough.

Even though Var gave the 2nd I still can't believe it was onside.

Totally agree Michael, Godfrey looks less and less like a footballer the longer we have him. Worrying that Coleman looked like he limped off.

It was a free hit tonight but the manner of defeat will need Dyche to motivate the players for Sunday. A defeat and we are almost certainly down.

Christy Ring
67 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:51:40
The board will probably give Iwobi a new contract now.
David West
69 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:53:29
Arsenal have quality no doubt, but they didn't have to do anything spectacular to win 4-0 that's the sickening thing.

Players who cant pass to a team mate and move into space, maupay to his credit works his arse off, but he's fighting a lost cause 40 yards from the midfield alone. It's boring going over the same issues, yes we have no striking options but we need to adjust this midfield to offer more support to whoever is up front.
Iwobi is offering nothing on the wing.
Move him inside, lose one of the 3 headless chickens. I don't want to go in on onanna because he's still so young, but gana or dacoure could go.

Bring gray back. Or simms and maupay. Maupay can make things happen for someone else to capitalise on if they are within 30 ft of him or likewise he will be buzzing round someone else.
It's time to try or we gonna go down with 11 men behind the ball and still getting batterd let's go out with a fucking try at least

Fran Mitchell
70 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:53:41
On the plus side,probably the last time we get hammered at the Emirates for a good while
Andy Crooks
71 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:54:29
We are the worst team in the Premier League, possibly as bad as most in the championship. Just a random group of average journey men shot of confidence. Sunday will decide our future.
Kieran Kinsella
72 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:54:42
Rob Dolby

"We are playing with 10 men with Maupay he just isn't good enough."

I don't disagree with the sentence but the problem is we have 20 others in our squad who could easily replace him in that sentence.

Will Mabon
73 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:55:36
For all that Keiran (55), we actually did play well and attacked well before conceding... but there's no-one that can finish.

Then of course as ever, we capitulate.

Bob Skelton
74 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:55:56
To be frank has anyone seen a worse team than us? Sorry boys I can't keep watching this utter drivel. Need a complete clearout: board and players. Relegation needed to force this scenario, don't want it to happen but only way forward for me. Expected nothing from tonight except a bit of spirit, once one goes in floodgates open, again
Sad to see our once team in such a terrible state.
Neil Tyrrell
75 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:56:39
Realistically 6 points is about right from Dyche's first 5 games, even as 3 of them were unexpected. If we can win on Sunday that'll be a 50/50 record and if he can sustain that we'll be alright. But those are obviously 2 very big ifs. Very worrying (and familiar) collapse tonight after a decent enough first 30-40 minutes.
Joe McMahon
76 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:57:23
Fran on the forum someone said we still have to score 7 goals to beat Derbys all time premier low goals scored. The Paul Jewell side.
Darren Hind
77 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:57:41
Thought the game plane worked well until Miko and Gana did what they do.

I hope both have played their last games. Felt sorry for the subs who were asked to go and retrieve a lost game against the runaway league leaders

Chris Leyland
78 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:58:35
Vinagre must be absolutely gash in training to never get a look in over Mykolenko
Phil Wood
79 Posted 01/03/2023 at 21:58:55
Very good 40 mins against the leaders.
Once 2 down it was always going to be the Alamo.
Some excellent signs in the first 40 mins.
Yes we do have something to build on.
Sean Dyche still has options he can try in Simms and Gray.
The wheat and chaff sorting themselves out. The players with heart and the actors.
Hopefully we can find a winning blend of players before it's too late.
Players to come back from injury.
Bring on Forest.
Jesus, get your heads out of your backsides and be more positive.
Stubbsy stay off the radio publicising our weakness and decline. That's what they want you to say.
Stick together!
Kieran Kinsella
80 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:01:44
Good players or subs with any pride would have seen it as a free shot and tried to pull a few goals back. Cowards go out there with bad attitudes and throw their hands up saying "what can we do?" The same cowardly subs who've destroyed lives getting managers sacked, leaving their kids worried about keeping a roof over their heads. The same cowards who've made themselves rich ruining the lives of desperate fans. But yes, let's give a big thank you to our wonderful "young" subs in their "mid twenties" because there is a "player in there."
Dale Self
81 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:02:05
Agreed. I just came back to give Gueye a kick over the rainbow but Myko did drift to open up that pass channel. Played well considering the dwarf was up front but there were chances and Arsenal were clearly not comfortable. We just didn’t make it to halftime, thanks Gana very professional man very professional
Brent Stephens
82 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:06:41
I doubt those "young" subs were brought on for their quality. Rather to protect the players taken off who will need to start at the weekend.
Ray Jacques
83 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:08:01
Neil Tyrrell
84 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:09:01
Kieran those managers have made out just fine, I doubt their kids will ever have any financial worries
Robert Tressell
85 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:09:46
The sad thing is that we're making chances under Dyche and the team looks like it is set up right despite very patchy quality. The one thing we are missing is a striker. I think we now have to get Simms and Gray on the pitch together. We have to play to win some of the upcoming games. That involves a bit of courage.
Darren Hind
86 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:10:05
"Subs who`ve destroyed lives getting managers sacked. Leaving their kids worried about keeping a roof over their heads".

I was going to comment...But I think I will leave that one there.

A TW classic

Barry Hesketh
87 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:10:24
Bottom line is that we are five points worse off than at the same stage last season, we weren't expecting to win tonight, but I wasn't expecting a reverse so heavy, that goal difference if we do manage to get enough points is going to be crucial. The City ground next and we cannot get beaten there, however, we are probably needing to win that game to give ourselves a realistic chance of staying up. Last season we had Dominic, Richarlison and to a lesser extent Gordon, this season we have Maupay and the young lad, it doesn't look good for us, but we have to somehow keep hope alive.
Mal van Schaick
88 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:10:42
Agree with#77Andy. That’s the truth of the matter. I want to see out way out of trouble, but just can’t see it.
Kieran Kinsella
89 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:10:50

Hopefully we will never see the "young" subs play for Everton again.


OK I was a tad dramatic

Tony Everan
90 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:13:17
Exactly Kieran, the attitude throughout the team is pedestrian. They gave up. Now ok it was against Arsenal away so they thought they were finished, but even 1% of this attitude is like a cancer that spreads. Like it will be ok to down tools in any adversity. Dyche needs to get them fighting and playing for each other. Tonight it looked terminal.

On to Sunday, with the obligatory renewed hope that we can score a goal or two. The manager will have to change it because at the moment we have nothing to offer up front and to stay up we will need to start scoring a few.

Jeff Spiers
91 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:13:49
Neil@84, well said
Ian Edwards
92 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:15:24
Even though we are shit we only need to overtake one team.
Danny Baily
93 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:15:41
Phil 79, we can stick together and stay positive. But we will not stay in this league from here. It's all about getting back here as soon as possible.
Jim Bennings
94 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:16:08
They've already resigned themselves to relegation I believe.

I think that's why they never reinvested the Gordon money and didn't back Dyche.

The team can't score goals, there's nobody in the entire squad that can score the required amount of goals to keep the club up and the defence is too fragile and the midfield to keep a sufficient amount of clean sheets to nick 0-0 draws.

There's no Richarlison this season and no Gordon, those two pretty much carried the fight in the second half of last season.

I think we are already done for this season.

John Keating
95 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:16:19
Sad really
Almost 70 years supporting the Blues
Up until a couple if years ago my whole week was ruining if we got beat
Now, after about 10 minutes I think of something else. What’s on the telly, the little baby they’ve just found, We buy any Car, Pure fucking Cremations
Anything but the shit show Everton Football Club
Brent Stephens
96 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:17:00
Kieran, we might not have seen the last of some of them - as they might well be playing in the Championship next season. For us.
Joe McMahon
97 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:17:09
Darren@86, I'm with you, I haven't laughed all night (for obvious reasons) until I read this "Leaving their kids worried about keeping a roof over their heads".
Simon Dalzell
98 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:17:15
Turned it off at half time.
Mike Doyle
99 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:20:05
In other news … Dele Ali will be back from his loan next season.
Kieran Kinsella
100 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:21:17
Mike Doyle,

Gomes and Gbamin too. A whole new midfield.

Anthony Murphy
101 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:24:06
No surprises we got beat tonight. I’m still hoping, but I do think we are gone unless we beat Forest, and that right now I can’t see.
Gavin McGarvey
102 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:24:37
I doubt we have seen the last of Myko and Gana. If the manager had more options, I think Gana would have been dropped earlier in the season after he made a costly error and made to earn his place back. I don't think the manager believes he has much room for manoeuvre in left back or midfield. I imagine both will be back in the next match unless he keeps them out for tactical reasons. I don't think those who think Everton are in trouble are suffering from negativity. Lampard wasn't the best manager in the world, but he wasn't awful either. Dyche is maybe a little better, but the club are in a difficult situation. We just have to hope he can find a way to turn things around. COYB.
Pete Jeffries
103 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:26:12
Jim and John
Totally agree. I saw nothing resembling football by Everton tonight.
Its the beginning of the end for our club thanks to the abject quality of the players were stuck with.
Not one decent effort on goal.
Lots of lazy ambling about the pitch.
They should be ashamed of themselves but the fact is I think they realise they are hopeless.

Christy Ring
104 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:26:17
Darren #77 can’t disagree and Iwobi on the bench, in my opinion.
I tell you what galls me, Arteta running up with his hand in the air to get Godfrey booked. His attitude in every game is shocking and not a thing said. Lost all respect for him.
Dave Abrahams
105 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:31:34
They played very well for forty minutes then really stupid mistakes gift Arsenal two goals, how can players just switch off like that, the match was lost then in those few minutes but after half time we completely gave up the battle and each sub seemed to make us worse, Arsenal were able to treat those last forty five minutes like a training session, there was no pride in that second half performance and while there was no fun watching it how did those passionate fans who travelled feel seeing the very poor efforts from most of our players, they deserve much better than that weak, timid and pathetic surrender thrown up tonight by nearly all of the team and substitutes.
Mark Andrews
106 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:34:23
Phil Wood #79.
Are you drunk?
Phil Wood
107 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:35:00
Christy 104 Arteta did the same thing as soon as he left Everton. First game back against us for Arsenal he was waiving imaginary cards around at the Ref trying to get his former team mates booked. Very short memory.
Kieran Kinsella
108 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:36:35

Remember the old days “go and win the second half.” Our players seem happy once we are losing as they feel they can take the rest of the night off,

Jim Bennings
109 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:37:47
Our next four games, Forest, Brentford, Chelsea, Spurs..

I think we lose all of them to be honest, just can't see us laying a bead on any of them such is the lack of goals and lack of belief.

Neil Tyrrell
110 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:40:34
Just seen Fabinho's "tackle" that he didn't get sent off for unbelievable

Really starting to hate football

Darren Hind
111 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:48:15
Absolutely Christy,

I was very disappointed to see him wave those imaginary cards.

The game is going to fuck

Peter Mills
112 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:52:26
So this is how “Death by a thousand cuts” feels.
Steve Brown
113 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:53:24
Good 40 minutes followed by a dismal 50 minutes. Personally, I would have rested a large proportion of the first team but Dyche obviously thought he could get something from the game. Now confidence is shot.

His gameplan worked until the two mistakes; he should stick to it for the rest of the season.

Keane did okay, but I would prefer to see Mina as our only hope of goals Is corners and set pieces. Mykolenko, Gueye and Maupay have to drop out of the team, and I would replace them with Godfrey, Garner or Davies and Simms (he can learn by being dropped in as DCL did).

Oliver Molloy
114 Posted 01/03/2023 at 22:55:45
Relegation rivals with game in hand now and new manager bounce well and truly over.
Eight goals against in these three defeats doesn't help us.
Don't know what the fuck McNeill is all smiles about with Ramsdale at game over tonight.

I truly believe we are one of the three worst teams in the league ( if not the worst ) and it will be a fucking miracle if last season repeats itself.
Looking at our next six fixtures, can anyone see us winning any one of them, I can't.

Last seasons warning not heeded, terrible signings to replace Richarlson, not sacking Lampard after the Bournemouth fiasco, mistake after mistake - board lying their balls off with headlock gate etc - couldn't get any signing over the line in January, is it any wonder - what a fucking mess we have become, we are in total freefall !
Right now this Evertonian is disillusioned, angry and in the "don't give a fuck anymore" corner - although I really do give a fuck !

Mike Price
115 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:00:02
Been saying for a while now that playing with Mykolenko and Iwobi is suicidal. They are terrible, pointless footballers and I’m worried that Dyche hasn’t sussed that.

Maupay is not a lone striker, he’s being set up to fail and that’s another worry, along with not starting our only dangerous footballer, Demarai Gray

Mike Connolly
116 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:05:22
Never mind worrying about not having a striker we would be further up the table if it wasn't for the two clowns Myko and Gana they have been a lability all season. unfortunately we look doomed with most of the championship teams looking better than us. One man to blame, Kenwright he got lucky with Moyes, however has been found out by our previous managers.
Ernie Baywood
117 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:06:05
We are gone. And it's completely deserved.

This was managed decline. The club had given up in December. They weren't going to reinvest. They were desperately hoping they wouldn't have to sack Lampard but results and fan pressure got too much.

They decided that any money invested in this team was wasted. That's the only explanation for why everyone charged with player recruitment is still there. Some are responsible and all are complicit.

On a page of posts blaming players I'm not holding any of them responsible. I believe they've given a solid effort throughout the season and have simply been nowhere near good enough. That's not their fault. I'm sure the money helps soften the blow but they won't be enjoying the experience their employer is putting them through either.

I say throw the kitchen sink at teams. Play two up front. What is there to lose? We're no threat whatsoever and eventually that tells. Might as well go down swinging because we're certainly not staying up like this.

I feel sorry for every Evertonian, and particularly those poor people spending their time and money to travel to games.

The fans are the only ones who deserve better.

Joshua Steadman
118 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:06:13
5 3 2? Mina and Vinagre brought in. Simms and Gray up front? Just a thought. Go with the same formation with Maupay up top and Dyche is no better than Lampard. We will continue to struggle. That's 2 goals scored and 8 conceded. Unlucky against Villa, played well first half tonight. Lower league but was Garner any good at Forest?
Tony Everan
119 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:07:15
Unbelievable Moments Caught on Camera is on ITV now, they may show Gana’s brain fart here rather than on MOTD.
Ernie Baywood
120 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:10:06
Joshua, I've been saying 5-3-2 for a while. Except I'd try McNeill at wing back. Iwobi or Coleman on the right.

I think it suits what we have available and manages to get slightly more quality on the pitch (purely by removing Mykolenko).

But we're still trying to keep it tight and hope for a miracle.

Phil Lewis
121 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:23:29
I've said it on here till I'm blue in the face. It's shit or bust time between now and relegation. 3 points or nothing every game. Play Mina AND Keane, both capable of goals from set pieces, as that seems to be the only way we're likely to score. Tactics have to be 4-4-2. It's Dyche's favoured formation.

Gray must play up front he's the only effective striker on the books. I don't care who plays up front with him, maybe it's time for Simms to shine?

A back four of Holgate Keane Mina and Godfrey was a success for a while. Maybe time to give it another try?

We knocked it around reasonably in the first half, but I'm struggling to come up with a winning midfield combination.

God help us. I've never felt so helpless and hopeless in 60 years of watching Everton.

Kevin Molloy
122 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:31:29
the key, moment is the first goal. Especially for us with no goals going forward. And at the moment Gana is just killing us with these basic mistakes. Until the first goal we were looking good, same with villa. So frustrating. Dana needs time out.
Barry Hesketh
123 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:33:30
Kevin @122
Gana has always had mistakes in him, even during his first spell with us. But if we drop Dana, we'll be missing all kinds of everything! :)
Kevin Molloy
124 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:36:18
I agree he's extremely effective. But not if he's also giving away a goal a game. If he continues to do that, we may as well just forfeit the games.
Kevin Molloy
125 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:38:44
I realise introducing a new player, Dana, to go alongside Gana Onana and Garner, is probably not what we need right now.
Tony Hill
126 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:40:43
That went pretty much as expected, didn’t it? They generally batter us at their place.

Dyche does need to show some guile and guts. I think he will.

George McKane
127 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:48:26
I exclude Dyche and his assistants but there in not one single individual in this Club that I care about anymore. Disgraceful top to bottom but worse - embarrassing. There is no one I would be willing to fight for because as far as I can see there is no one putting up a fight. I could not allow what I saw tonight happen to anything to do with me.
Where is any Blue Spirit in this drab poor gang.
Cosmic grooves Gone Away.
We were talking watching the game and couldn’t find anything to give us hope. Nothing.
Bill Gall
128 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:53:52
I now thar BK is into theater but did he have to show the team a production of Jeckle and Hyde as that is what it seemed on the pitch.

Poor Godfrey will have to look at photographs of the Arsenal team as all he seen was the back of their shirts. How can a team that play like a team for 40 min turn into a bunch of individuals playing like they have just met each other.

All joking aside this game really emphasized the huge job that Dyche has, and he did show in the first half that there is a possibility of improvements, will it keep them from relegation, only time will tell and I am afraid that time is not on our side.

Danny O’Neill
129 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:55:41
Just home and going to sleep on this.

Good night blues and God Speed to everyone of you.

Barry Hesketh
130 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:55:54
Eight consecutive away Premier League games since we won at Southampton and we've scored one solitary goal at the Etihad, if that continues we'll go down, unless we win every remaining match at Goodison.
Mark Murphy
131 Posted 01/03/2023 at 23:57:31
Just bending down in the spare room. F@ck off Everton and when youve f@cked off f@ck off some more! F@cking shite! UTFT!
George McKane
132 Posted 01/03/2023 at 00:00:21
Bill - The Wizard of Oz - The Cowardly Lion - The Straw Man and The Tin Man.
Ernie Baywood
133 Posted 01/03/2023 at 00:05:37
Kevin, I don't believe there are key moments in our games at present.

We're like a boxer who doesn't throw punches. You can analyse the key moments that defeated them, but it was always going to come at some point.

What we're basically hoping for is a huge amount of good luck. We're desperately playing for an underserved win.

For 30 minutes we looked alright. But did anyone think that was going to hold when we offer so little threat? The loss was inevitable.

Barry Hesketh
134 Posted 02/03/2023 at 00:11:00
George @132
Not to mention a team full of Dorothy's.
Alan McGuffog
135 Posted 02/03/2023 at 00:11:06
We are destined to be in the wilderness for quite some time. Prepare for it.
Joe Digney
136 Posted 02/03/2023 at 00:11:13
Ernie @ 117, well said I couldn’t agree more.
What this board has done is truly unforgivable regardless of the seasons outcome.
Not one of them can show their faces in the city again.
Barry Hesketh
137 Posted 02/03/2023 at 00:13:51
Alan @135
I can't quite accept it yet, but as each match passes, I have less and less hope that we can avoid what seems to be inevitable. At least the Chairman was there tonight to rally the troops!
Derek Thomas
138 Posted 02/03/2023 at 00:35:41
4 centrebacks on the bench, the 4 of which, if you mixed them in the right ratios you Might just get a real one out of them.
Christine Foster
139 Posted 02/03/2023 at 00:56:47
The truth laid bare.
Dyche is discovering the same things, That those before him, Lampard, Benitez, Ancelotti, and before, that quite simply, you cannot coach out stupidity, you cannot make poor players into a winning team and you cannot get a song out of players who are not good enough.
My head is bowed, I am at an all time low, I am angry with myself because I cannot ignored the fact that we are more likely to be relegated than I have ever known.In a couple of hours the pain will be replaced by sheer bloody anger,, not at the manager or even the players, but every single board member, an owner who gave the keys to our kingdom to a con man.
I know it's not over, but if Dyche pulls this off, he is truly the magician Ancelotti isn't.
No Richarlison, no Gordon ( who I never rated) but no options. I thought Maupeys effort tonight was the best I have seen from him, and it still wasn't good enough, The defence kept it tight but quality tells, the killer was Gana's horrendous stuff up. After that the heart was gone.
Moshiri is watching his investment go down the toilet but he must shoulder the blame because in the face of blinding incompetence he did nothing.
We deserve to be relegated.
But I hope to God we are not.
January killed us, the delusional bastards did not get a single reinforcement, the only club in the league who didn't.
Heartbroken by the awful incompetence and arrogance of one man, and the sheer stupidity of the other.
John Raftery
140 Posted 02/03/2023 at 00:59:47
Last night we were soundly beaten by a vastly superior team. Arsenal are the best team in the league and providing they do not suffer a catalogue of injuries, I believe they will be champions at the end of the season.

I thought we were well organised for the first thirty five minutes but once it became evident we carried so little threat up front, Arsenal pushed more men forward; notably Xhaka in an old fashioned inside left position and Zinchenko on the right. With Trossard wandering out to the left wing doubt entered the minds of our back four as to who should be picking up whom. I am not blaming individuals for the first goal. I think our players were just overwhelmed by numbers and quick passing.

The second goal was inexplicable. Gana seemed to stop dead as though he had heard a whistle. From that point we were sunk. We knew it. Arsenal knew it. They put on an exhibition performance in the second half. In the end the final 4-0 scoreline came as a relief.

It’s now all about Sunday when our team simply must deliver a performance at both ends of the pitch. To score in open play away from home Dyche must surely find a way of getting Gray into goal scoring positions. Otherwise he will be reliant entirely on set pieces. That makes life very difficult if in games like last night’s you can only win one corner.

Don Alexander
141 Posted 02/03/2023 at 01:07:11
Bad but a hugely expected performance and result. That said, criticism of Dyche or our massively expensive jumble-sale squad is pointless unless we continue to train our outrage against the Kenwright/Moshiri Axis who signed them all.

Still, amusing to read that only one of us (#86 - guess who?) thought it necessary to do nowt more in one post than slag off a fellow Toffee whilst the rest of us concentrate on the real world.

'Twas ever thus though, and is utterly inappropriate from ANY sort of fellow Toffee.

Barry Hesketh
142 Posted 02/03/2023 at 01:12:35
John @140
I don't care where our next goal comes from on our travels, corner, Penalty, oggy, anything at all, I posted earlier a solitary goal away from home by Gray at Man City is the only goal that Evertonians have had to celebrate from eight consecutive Premier League away fixtures - appalling and terrifying.
Martin Mason
143 Posted 02/03/2023 at 01:18:24
Now I'm worried as we the fans are now fiddling while Goodison burns. Who we play in what position or whatever formation is for me irrelevant. This is existential and what is needed is not fiddling at the edges but somebody pressing the "And then a miracle happens" button. we aren't getting new players, the coach has no faith in the home grown players and every game takes us closer to the cliff. Unless the miracle happens I believe that this could be it? But Everton are a big club and can't go down.
John Raftery
144 Posted 02/03/2023 at 01:24:32
Barry (143) I don’t care either. Gray also scored at Bournemouth in the league cup. Our only other goal in all competitions since October came from Coady at Old Trafford after a mistake by De Gea. The thing is if you get the ball in the opposition’s box often enough something will happen eventually through skill, error or luck. We haven’t done that often enough but I believe if anyone can make that happen Dyche is the manager who will.
Barry Hesketh
145 Posted 02/03/2023 at 01:31:15
Martin @ 143
In truth there's not a lot we can do as fans in the current circumstances, we can only hope and pray that something unexpected and positive happens, I agree there is not much point in shuffling the deck-chairs because if there was a solution, the various managers would have found it by now. Dyche could be a little more expansive away from home, but only in the same way that Lampard had us playing and that didn't work out too well.

I can't ever remember Everton being so bereft of everything, we have a defence that is prone to mistakes or collapses under pressure, a midfield that can't create chances and even when they do, we have absolutely nobody to finish them off. A recipe for relegation by anyone's standards.

Dyche may have had a better chance of creating a miracle if he had come to the club during the world cup, but even then, his task would have been difficult, now it seems unlikely if not impossible.

Due to the lack of leadership of the club, Everton aren't big enough to stay up.

Martin Mason
146 Posted 02/03/2023 at 01:43:51
This time next year we could be in a fight to stay in the Championship, that is one tough league that our snowflakes may not do so well in. What a fiasco and what a disaster has hit us but it has been coming for years if not decades and the responsibility is 100% board and owner. What about the shiny new ground if we go down?
Barry Jones
147 Posted 02/03/2023 at 01:44:28
I have never seen this level of despair and resignation on TW before, but its totally warranted. Not only can we not score, we create zero. For that, we have to blame the entire midfield three and the wide players. They are not good enough.
Kieran Kinsella
148 Posted 02/03/2023 at 03:17:54

There’s no doubt most people at the club (bar the fans, and the new coaches) deserve to be relegated. Top of the list is Bill, then Moshiri, then long serving Whittles nephew, Holgate, Keane, (who have been shit for years) Doucoure, Maupay, now the past it Gana so on and so forth. Not to mention the absent failures like Gomes and Dele. A bunch of complete losers. Weak minded, untalented, cowardly shit houses. The only two players I don’t think deserve it are Seamus and Pickford. Maybe Gray. If any other team were in our spot now I’d say they’re definitely finished. But inspite of the sack of shit players we have desecrating the shirt each week, despite the RS fan chairman and his gormless benefactor, it’s just so difficult for me to believe we can sink so low that somehow I still have optimism. As far as Dyche goes, I respect Tony Abraham’s and Colin Glassar and they have contrasting views on him. But whether he is good or bad, there’s only so much you can expect from this heap of turgid shit we call “our squad.” Logically, there’s no reason for hope. But I just can’t seem to accept what I’m seeing with my own eyes and somehow still have hope.

Kieran Kinsella
149 Posted 02/03/2023 at 03:29:31

If we go down we are screwed. Onana and Pickford will be off. We can expect Captain Marvel Whittle's nephew to be our playmaker alongside the unwanted Gbamin. Seamus will do his best at right-back but, with the 50-year-old Lonergan in goal behind Holgate and Keane, there's little hope.

I'm not sure what you expect us to do to avert RS Bill's long-running plan to destroy us but, yes, if we go down there's every chance we christen BMD in League One.

Ernie Baywood
150 Posted 02/03/2023 at 04:17:01
Kieran, that would increase the chances of an opening day win at BMD, though.
Ernie Baywood
151 Posted 02/03/2023 at 04:20:50
Gallows humour aside, we've got two massive games now.

They're so big that they'll either give us some hope, or will extinguish all hope. I don't think there is any other possibility from those fixtures.

Ian Bennett
152 Posted 02/03/2023 at 06:59:32
Gana has been dreadful for weeks, but he's our only sitter unless Onana is pushed into a less effective position. Davies isn't up to it.

Next 2 games are huge. If we you can't get points there, forget it.

Lynn Maher
153 Posted 02/03/2023 at 07:28:23
A little off topic, but I have just completed todays nytimes Wordle quiz. I managed to do it in three. I simply put words that cannot be applied to Everton!
Danny O’Neill
154 Posted 02/03/2023 at 07:57:35
21 today.

21 goals conceded in my last four visits to watch Everton away at Arsenal. Gutted leaving that stadium yet again. When will my curse end?

And despite living in west London, it's not an easy stadium to get away from and get home if you're heading for the tube network in my experience. So, although not as lengthy as those travelling back to the homeland, a long trip home.

I won't dwell on the football, enough people on here will do that. We lost 4 - 0 to a superior team even though we had a solid start but just couldn't get to the half time line in tact.

Once the first goal went in, I knew that was it. The second was then the proverbial nail. Their keeper made two good saves that could have seen us back in the match, but in reality, the second half was almost like a training match for Arsenal. We did occasionally get into good positions, but our players seem afraid to take responsibility and shoot at goal.

Good to meet Mark at Blackfriars. I always like putting faces to names. See you again soon.

Great to stand next to John Raftery as always, thank you John.

Rob Halligan, thank you for the man hug. I was very upset at the end and needed that.

As I mentioned, the Emirates can be a difficult ground to get away from if you're heading to a tube station. I noticed a couple of Evertonians being verbally abused by some Arsenal supporters so decided to interject.

Now I don't have the strongest accent but the cheeky bastards told me to speak English. They were wearing half and half Everton-Arsenal scarves. What is that all about? I guess it was there first and maybe last trip to the Emirates. Tourists, which I pointed out.

Maybe I'm being raw and bitter, but that drum and adaption of the Kopite song. Are the Arsenal trying to being a combination of Crystal Palace and Liverpool?

I eventually found my way to a tube station and got home around midnight to sleep with the dogs.

That one is gone. The train to Nottingham is booked for Sunday. For no reason of our own doing, we are still in touch and have everything to play for.

Do not throw the towel in Everton, because I am not.

Eddie Dunn
155 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:01:37
Much emotion expressed above but in the cold light of a new day, we are in the shit, but it isn't losing at the Champions elect that will define our fate. It will be how we do on Sunday and then Brentford.
A draw at Forest and a home win, and we will all feel better. As shit as the team is, there are a few teams whose fans are equally despondent.
The fat lady ain't singing yet.
John Catto
156 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:13:27
Kieran on a positive note Gbamin has been playing well, mainly used as a CB.
Same for Gomes. They love Gomes in France.
Compare him to Barkley who has been dreadful in France.
I am not sure Gomes ever suited the premiership. He is not a all action midfielder. He is used to link the defence and attack.
I expect them both to leave for the clubs they are on loan at.
Unfortunately we will get Dele Ali back who can't act like a footballer any where.
Steve Brown
157 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:26:23
A segment from the Athletic today before we are all put on suicide watch:

“That is not to say there have been no positive signs in Dyche’s opening month at the helm. Everton fully deserved their victory over Arsenal at Goodison. They battled to another three points against Leeds. At home they have so far found a blueprint that at least keeps them competitive in games.

Against Leeds and Villa, they pressed high and dictated most of the play on their terms. Passes per defensive action (PPDA) counts how many passes a team allows the opposition to make before attempting to win the ball back and is a proxy for pressing intensity. The lower the number the better. In the win over Leeds, Everton’s PPDA was 11. It was nine against Villa, versus a season average around 16. They are forcing chances through their work off the ball.

Everton made a season-high 44 passes into the box against Villa, 10 more than their next best this term. In that game, they regained the ball seven times in the final third, their second-best total of the season.”

All of which shows Dyche is organising the team better, but without a striker scoring goals leaves us in massive peril.

He has also learned that this squad of players will capitulate when things go against them.

Mark Murphy
158 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:41:53
Ok - my apologies for the bad language last night - I was raw! Now the dust has settled I can accept that Arsenal are miles better than we are and the loss was to be expected on form BUT… we are running out of games now and there are no green shoots of recovery as in goals that I can see. There are no, zero, zilch, nada, goals in this team and our midfield is getting an easy ride in this aspect. They HAVE to step up and contribute rather than just go through the tackle and pass role. We are sleepwalking to the drop and running out of games.
Paul Cherrington
159 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:48:34
Although anyone who knows us could see that result coming (we have been terrible away for a long time now and never seem to do well at Arsenal), it still hurts.

I think it's because this group of players have shown they can beat Arsenal - only a matter of weeks ago! So why do we get performances like last night as soon as they are away from Goodison? We might as well not bother with away games at the moment - the players certainly don't, no matter who the manager is.

I don't believe it is a quality issue for most of them either - we have seen some great performances and decent wins from this group. But most only perform when they feel like it and when they are comfortable at home. Even then, they only turn up when they can be bothered or when they are in the mood.

We can talk all we want about managers, coaches, owners and chairmen but it is the players on the pitch who are letting us down most weeks. It is the players who are going over that white line and not putting in performances which we know they can if they feel like it. That is a big part of why we are where we are.

Of course, it is also true to say that recruitment has been poor and some of the players are not actually very good.

Doucoure for example runs about a lot - and that's about it. He lacks the basic skills any professional footballer needs at the top level. How he has made it so far in the game is beyond me.

Gana can tackle but is poor at almost everything else - as his mistakes all season (and last night) constantly show. He is also very slow - I have seen snails in my back garden get about faster than him.

Davies is nowhere near a top-level footballer as his misses in the last few games show - it doesn't matter how local he is or that some fans still see him as young, developing talent.

Same with the non-scoring striker Maupay who lacks the most essential skill required for his job. Or Mykolenko who tries but is Championship at best.

While Dyche made one change last night to freshen things up, he does seem to have fallen into the trap of all recent Everton managers. That is consistently picking people like Doucoure, Gana et al who perform badly most weeks. It's like it's included in their contract that they have to pick certain players.

Lack of options is not an excuse. We do have options to change things up if managers are prepared to take them. Holgate into midfield last night is a good example or Godfrey in at LB another.

I have also never seen a team so scared of trying young players than Everton right now. I cannot believe Mills or Price are worse than someone like Doucoure at passing, tackling or shooting. Give them a go ffs before it's too late.

Other teams give their best youngsters a chance, but we just bench ours or send them out on endless loans. While playing the same people who don't bother to turn up most weeks or don't have it in them at the top level.

If we are expecting people like Maupay or Iwobi to suddenly start scoring goals regularly when hard facts show they have never been regular scorers at this level their whole careers, we will be waiting a long time.

At least if we go down, all the rubbish who have been responsible for it will leave like rats deserting a sinking ship. Probably the only way we'll get shut of them. Then we can rebuild the squad with decent players who actually turn up every week - even when playing away from home.

Roman Sidey
160 Posted 02/03/2023 at 08:58:12
It really is a depressing time isn't it?

I've spent the day contemplating the existential phenomenon that is supporting a football team.

I'm not from Liverpool or even the UK, so have no real connection geographically. The board are a bunch of criminals who have stood by and let this happen. The players are almost as bad as the board. So what am I actually supporting? A blue shirt that managed to nick 4th nearly 20 years ago with a negative goal-difference before being embarrassed out of Europe by an Eastern Bloc team full of plumbers and drillers (no offense to plumbers and drillers). You bet.

To see our only real attacking chance fail because the pass from Doucoure was shit, the follow up possession from McNeil worse, and the shot from Maupay non-existent really rammed home how bad this team is. Then at the end to see Davies totally miss-hit from 3 yards out turned it from tragedy to comedy.

Seeing players like Keane start was bad enough, but to then see Holgate, Davies and Godfrey come off the bench in a match we were losing made me almost vomit.

This is the sum-total of seven years under a billionaire owner - chasing a match with two awful centre-halves and a *insert Davies' best position if you know it* who by their ages should probably have been let go and enrolled in a tech college to become plasterers (no offense to plasterers).

And to repeat what plenty have already said, if we get relegated, it won't be a one-time event. This club (the board, coaches and players I mean) doesn't have the mettle to cope in the Championship.

Danny O’Neill
161 Posted 02/03/2023 at 09:09:06

It doesn't matter where you come from. You are an Evertonian.

I was born into it and never knew any different.

For better for worse as they say.

I'm not thinking Championship. I think and believe we've got enough in us to stay up.

I just wish they would stop doing this. I'm 51 now, 52 on 16th September this year. I share a Birthday with Neville Southall.

They are putting years on me. But I can't stop loving them.

Mark Dunford
162 Posted 02/03/2023 at 09:16:51
It was my first live game since Christmas last night and two things struck me. As others have said, Everton we’re doing fine till they conceded and then the team fell to pieces in seconds. The woeful second goal came about when the ref lost control of the game and no one knew what was going on, it typified the collapse. Gana carried the can, but he was in wrong place at wrong time. Heads had dropped by this point and collectively they’d lost. Highly unlikely to score once and Incapable of scoring two.

The second point is that the team has lost the crowd. Surrounding me were apathetic people and some 70-80% had left before the final whistle. Crowd was mostly silent throughout, browbeaten - it knows where a team that can’t score is heading. I know we’d all bought tickets in September for this game when things looked very different. The players came over at the end to acknowledge the supporters but just about everyone had left. This team now seems isolated and exposed. Without the full throttle support of last year, it will slide quietly down a division. Too much is being asked of the supporters yet we’re the ones who will be there when the players have gone.

Finally, Pickford kept the score down. It could have been more.

Mark Ryan
163 Posted 02/03/2023 at 09:22:17
I've been impressed with Dyche in pre and post match press reports until last night
He talks fast, stares down the reporters and when asked hiw do you change that losing mentality Dyches replies " you have to change that away mentality to be the same as your home mentality "
Bit of bullshit creeping in there Sean. Stay focused and think about what you are going to say
Last home game 0-2 ?
How does that engender a winning away mentality.
Bullshit alert !
Don't let us down Sean
Ray Robinson
164 Posted 02/03/2023 at 09:27:54
I live in hope that we somehow beat Forest on Sunday. Then I might just start to believe again. In reality I am resigned to watching Championship football next season with Sky changing most of our Saturday fixtures to Friday and Monday, together with the standard Tuesday night matches.

Because of the lack of goals, there is little of the enthusiasm from the supporters. In truth, the adrenalin is lacking after last year. Shame that the Palace match, fantastic experience as it was, may ultimately count for nothing.

How could the club not anticipate this lack of striking potential? Gross dereliction of duty by all concerned.

Ray Roche
165 Posted 02/03/2023 at 09:30:45
When they scored just about everyone in the Live Forum or listening/watching at home knew we were stuffed because we can’t score, a point that was made time and time again in the commentary. Unfortunately the team played as if they also knew we couldn’t score and would be lucky to get nil. At one point I watched Iwobi jogging back as their player left him for dead, I watched a completely ineffective Onana strolling round between periods of rest ie: lying on the floor pretending to have taken a left hook from Tyson Fury. The gobshite needs to rid his game of that rubbish.
The first forty minutes gave me a glimmer of hope. Thick and Thin at the back, The Mistake Brothers, put paid to that.
I want me Mam.😢
Danny O’Neill
166 Posted 02/03/2023 at 09:31:16
Very good point Mark @162.

The away supporters are finding it difficult to get up for it and were / have been largely subdued of late.

As opposed to the sheer passion and drive towards the end of last season.

I get a sense of genuine worry and concern.

That's how I see it.

Let's change it on Sunday. They need us and we need them.

I don't even know if the board were in attendance last last night. I'm past caring right now.

You, I and thousands were. And we will be again on Sunday. Let's show unity with the team and manager, because right now, that is what matters most.

Joe McMahon
167 Posted 02/03/2023 at 09:44:07
Ray, someone posted on the forum last night we need to score 7 goals to overtake Derby County (with Paul Jewell) otherwise we will have thevall time low scoring record in a premier league season.

For a club obsessed with history, the 7 years of Moshiri/Kenwright will be the lowest ever moment for the club. The quality of the squad and football on offer is shameful. I've always felt we should have stuck with Big Sam until the new stadium.

Rob Dolby
168 Posted 02/03/2023 at 09:53:37
If we play Gray instead of Maupay we have a better chance of staying in the division it's as simple as that.

It's not all on him we are weak in most areas. But at the top end of the pitch I don't think I have seen a more ineffective player than Maupay and that includes people like, Angel, Niasse, Spencer, strac, Barlow, Eastoe, O'Keefe etc etc. Can anyone tell me what he is good at? How the hell did we end up with him. I reckon I could pick out local lads playing non league that would offer more than him.

Jerome Shields
169 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:08:39
Either two striker pairing one another or reluctantly Simms starting, which is a lot of pressure.Still need to sort out defensive midfield. Keane instead of Coady was a good move, as some type of change was needed after the Villa game.

It was posted earlier that once Arsenal realised that there was not attacking threat from Everton.they pushed forward.This is now standard tactics at the beginning of the first half against Everton.Dyche has used these tactics himself against Everton, 'They can't score'.Now he has to come up with a solution to counter such tactics.He definitely knows what the problem is. Dyche did make a substitution 10 minutes earlier than the last game, but was late subbing Doucoure.I am not including the hooking of Gueye.Depending on Gyenr as the sole defending midfielder was never a good idea.

Didn't really expect a result at Arsenal.Sunday a result is needed.As I said it is going to be a roller coaster run in to the end of the season.They main thing to avoid is the inevitable freefall that is the characteristic off relegated teams .That has still to come , hopefully it is one of two of our rivals.

I am surprised so many long suffering Evertonians appear to have given up the ghost.Time to find the hidden strength that they all have ,which has always been evident over the years and is still within them.

Nick West
170 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:11:55
Maupay, Maupay, anyone but Maupay.
Lee Robinson
171 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:12:49
So what have we learned? or Dyche for that matter? That these players will continue to dissapoint and flatter to decieve when counted on. The big issue here is these players are surrounded by lack of quality, there is no one to rely on to get us out of this. Onana probably our star player is still young, inexperienced and learning tough lessons every week.

We can demand Coady is dropped for a couple of mistakes, now the same will happen for Gana, just like when Frank ostracized Allan, Doucouré and Gomes for similar. But who is to come in? Godfrey apart from a stint at left back with Ancellotti has been the most error prone defender in the squad with a knack for being out of position.

I'm tired of seeing the same players do the same things, badly. This team has zero goals in them and has zero attacking threat. The only option I can see if start to give some of the young lads a go, Mills right wing for a start, Price in midfield and no harm in using Simms instead of Maupay, becuase these are the players who will be in the side next season in the championship.

It's a sad state of affairs when Burnley, who we relagted last season, now running away with the championship with a modern manager and a bright youthful technical squad, look like a better option for a player and would likely run rings round this team.

John Raftery
172 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:17:53
Joe (167) We are in a very small minority but I was also of the view we should have stuck with Sam Allardyce. However the ‘F#@k off Sam Allardyce’ chants helped persuade a weak owner to blow with the wind.

Like Danny, I think we need to show unity with the players and manager. Forest is a game. We must try to create the sort of atmosphere we had at Leicester last May.

Dave Lynch
173 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:20:16
If I was Dyche I would gather the team together and tell 90% of them..."get in touch with your agents, because if we go down you will not be a part of this club anymore.
Tell your agent to start looking for another club now."
I wouldn't care if they downed tools because the tools they have are inadequate anyway.
Dave Williams
174 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:20:20
If ever our vocal support was needed it is now. The players need dragging along again. They drop their heads at the first sign of adversity and we need to get back to the volume of support we gave them last season. We are in danger of dropping our heads like the players and if that happens then we are gone.
Let’s show the football world what real supporters can do!,,
John Boswell
175 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:20:30
Where to begin, to make sense of last night? Really we must go back to the last title winning team that we produced and consider the politics of the board of directors who failed to build on that foundation. Everton, I am informed, was one of the big 5 movers in the formation of the Premier league. Big 5, really? What has happened to this giant of yesterday? When we recruited David Moyes, he knew the financial constraints, the mantra at the beginning of every season was get to 40 points and use that as a springboard to achieve what success was still achievable in the remainder of the season. Get your wins at Goodison and avoid defeat where possible at away fixtures. So here we are, a dinasaur on its last legs. The negligence of our board of directors is laid bare for all to see, they failed to refresh the squad in the last transfer window and now our survival rests on players returning from injury. DCL and Townshend have a goal or three in them, young Garner may improve the midfield and I can't think of any other rabbits to pull out of my magician s hat. Gosh I feel depressed. Still, 3 points on Sunday and optimism will return. Wait, I forgot young Simms. Give him an outing, more than 10 mins at the end of the game. He may not be our saviour but you never know if you don't ask the question. I love my Everton family, a wonderful community and this hurts. COYB
Brian Harrison
176 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:23:43
I thought Dwight McNeil was excellent in the first half, our best player by a country mile. I think when Demarai Gray came on he did well made something out of nothing and Tom Davies nearly put the rebound away. I cant really understand why Gray hasnt started any game since Dyche arrived, given he is the only player who looks like he has a goal in him. I don't think many of us expected us to get anything out of last nights game, and true to form we didn't.

I feel a little sorry for Dyche, he is in a very difficult position, he has few attacking options and our midfield is probably one of the worst I have ever seen. And I don't think many of our defenders are that good idea. Onana is a complete waste of time he is poor in both halves of the pitch and he goes down far to easily given the size of him. Sadly the years have caught up with Gana and cant for the life of me cant understand why he just didnt roll the ball back for Pickford to clear. Doucoure put a shift in but I never feel he is going to score or make the right pass when he charges forward. Coleman kept Martinelli quiet just as he did at Goodison but Godfrey was taken to the cleaners on a couple of occasions and could and should have prevented their 3rd goal. Iwobi is the same awful player everybody wanted shut of 18 months ago, but he just runs around a bit more while never ever making a proper challenge for the ball.

I thought Tarkowski and Keane did ok and Mykolenko was at fault for the first goal, but to be fair he had 2 Arsenal players either side of him in our box, but he should have been behind Saka not alongside him.

Keeping Everton in the Premier league is beginning to look like mission impossible in our last 5 games we have scored 2 goals, one from a corner and the other a miracle goal from Coleman. But we have conceded 8 goals in those 5 games. So we cant score and we cant keep clean sheets, so how do we pick up enough wins to make us safe.

I don't blame Dyche for any of this he is trying to change things, but its like turning a tanker in the Mersey it takes time and unfortunately he hasn't got the time.

Michael Connelly
177 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:28:21
I watched the first half on a dodgy stream on the phone up until we scored, and switched off straight after the goal, as further viewing was just futile.

If the opposition score first, we are losing.

All things considered, it looks like we have the right manager for the job at hand, but Christ he has nothing to work with attacking wise without Calvert-Lewin.

Think Gray needs to be in the team however, as at least he can find the net. Don't think it makes sense for that side to have it's top scorer left on the bench. He won't give us the hold up play of a centre forward, but has more chance of getting us a goal.

I would be playing Gray up top on his own until C-L is fit enough for his next one game spell.

Jerome Shields
178 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:28:56
To sort out the Everton midfield gap I would play Holgate as a addition defending midfielder and drop either Iowbi or Onano.Try Gray as a partnering attacker, and use McNeill who does track back with more a wing/ midfield role.I actually would prefer Onano to Iowbi, because he attempts to shoot and does provide a central teachers as a result.Arsenal got away with targeting him.,to prevent him performing like the last time they met.No so nice Arsenal.
James Marshall
179 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:30:16
Football - stop the opposition putting the ball in our net, and put the ball in their net.

We have zero players who can put the ball in their net so we're screwed. It wouldn't make a blind bit of difference who the manager was at this stage.

The league table is looking increasingly ugly. I can see us relegated before the last game of the season.

Eddie Dunn
180 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:34:20
Many were calling for Seamus to be rested. Patterson has shown potential but had made a few silly positional errors in his tenure. Arsenal had been concentrating on getting Saka in on Mykolenko but once Godfrey came on for Seamus they immediately targeted the new rightback.
As Dyche said in his post match presser, the little details are what make the difference in the PL.
Little details like Gana having another brainfart, like Iwobi giving the ball away regularly, like Onana confirming that he is a cheating twit and every ref watching will have him earmarked for over-reacting.
Dyche is caught in a dilemma. Does he continue with one striker and try to get Doucoure up as and when, to help. Keep us tight and try to nick one at a corner. Or does he go 4-4-2 and hope Maupay can find a yard in the box with a big man next to him?
I think that, so far, he has prefered the former, but now things are looking tight, he might have to gamble. However, I think he will continue with the conservatism at Forest and it is at home that we might see a more attacking line-up..
Andrew Clare
181 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:34:56
I remember going to a night game at Stamford Bridge in 1993 with some work colleagues who were all Chelsea fans ( I was working in West London at the time) and we lost 1-2 after a very poor performance. My colleagues all expected to win and thought we were a failing bottom of the table team.It dawned on me then that the Everton I had known had disappeared.
We had already lost our mojo all those years ago. Really since the late eighties we have never been title contenders, our standards and expectations dropped through the floor.
Somehow it's as though our decline has been inevitable since then. The Moyes years confirmed the decline as we were happy for 11 years to finish in 6th place now and again. Never good enough to challenge for the title or consistently appear in European competition.
It will be a miracle if we are in the EPL next season.
The future is bleak.
Ernie Baywood
182 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:36:44
Eddie, if you were looking for a manager who could take an attacking gamble... would you hire Sean Dyche?

Nothing against him but he never made sense.

Dave Abrahams
183 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:38:49
Brian (176), thanks for that post, the game you saw last night was mostly the same game I saw, butI get fed up moaning about the poor attitude of certain players even though they never produce any real worthwhile effort, they annoy the life out of me and it’s like we start with nine men every game, they will most probably start on Sunday, one of the reasons they are selected is there is no one to replace them, unless Garner is ready to play and Townsend, they might not play much better, when picked,but they will provide a 100% more effort because it’s impossible for them to give less than these two.
Steve Carter
184 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:43:52
Well, John [172], hard to argue with that. We finished 8 with Sam at the helm. Good grief.
Eddie Dunn
185 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:44:28
Ernie, I disagree. Imagine if we still had Frank Lampard in charge. I honestly think we would have lost at home to the Gunners and Leeds with that twit in the dugout.

The second biggest mistake the club made(the first was not getting a striker) was to leave Frank in the post for so long. If Dyche had come in earlier, we would be in midtable now.

He has won two games and lost three. If we had drawn twice with Arsenal- most of us would have been happy, but he got us three points of them, not just two. Villa are a very handy side and we were a tad unlucky.

Let's see what happens on Sunday, before our mass suicide.

Jay Harris
186 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:49:42
Brian I agree with all your comments except for Keane.

For me we played quite well in the girst half but mistakes by Myolenko and Gueye gave the initiative.
Then Godfrey and Keane could not keep our any crosses with Keane making his customary lapses of concentration.
If I had my way Maupay wouldn’t even be in the squad. We desperately need to try to get better in the final third and Demarai Gray, Simms and Stanley Mills all should be given a chance.

Lee Robinson
187 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:51:20
I think Dyche will still do a good job this season but it won't be enough to keep us up. There just isn't enough in this team, look at the side compared to the one this time last season when we were on the floor, it still had DVB, Dele, Richarlson, Allan, Gomes, Gordon, Tosun, and even El Ghazi. ALthough Frank hardly relied on 80% of them I'm pretty sure Dyche would love to have those options today, which is a stark reality of whats coming.
Kevin Molloy
188 Posted 02/03/2023 at 10:59:28
I think we'll stay up. We don't have to be any good, we just have to finish ahead of Bournemouth Soton and Leeds. I think we will. We've certainly got a good chance to stay up, those other teams are no great shakes, and I still think we've got a few wins up our sleeve. We'll get at least six games out of DCL I reckon, and Townsend should add to the goal tally. But if someone had asked me last night what the score was going to be I'd have said 3-5 nil. This was always going to happen, it's where we are. Arsenal are going for the league, we are fighting to stay up. Last night was not a disaster, it was what you'd expect.
Phil Lewis
189 Posted 02/03/2023 at 11:02:18
What angers me most in this whole sad scenario, is that not one word of explanation has come from Kenwright, Baxendale, Sharpe, in fact the whole sorry lot of them, regarding our current situation.

They are treating the lifeblood of the club, the fans, with total and utter contempt by their silence.

Much in keeping with the monarchy when threatened by scandal, its a case of 'Keep silent and it will blow over'.....well not this time it won't.

Evertonians come on here and agonise about the predicament of their beloved team, while these boardroom shysters remain tight lipped in their exclusive gated luxury homes, unable to offer not one word of explanation or empathy.

If we do somehow manage to avoid relegation, I sincerely hope that the ensuing euphoria, will not diminish the memory of these dark days and those responsible for them.

Pete Clarke
190 Posted 02/03/2023 at 11:03:14
I woke up this morning with two results in my mind. 1 - 1 and 4 - 0 A quick search for our result and it did not surprise me or worrying for me it didn’t put me down.
Sean Dyche is now experiencing the rotten smell that is Everton Football Club just like the others before him but with an even bigger task given the lack of any goalscorers.
If that horrible, phoney good time Charlie is really an Evertonian I hope his guilt is tearing him apart and he’s as sick as the club are.

As for our hopes of staying up well it’s diminishing with each game and Forest may well be the team to completely ram it home to us all that it’s over.
Sean Dyche has had a mixture of results but he’s now left with no option but to change that front line. Maupay, as somebody has already said is now the undisputed worst striker I’ve seen in our shirt. Crazy really because his last goal was a cracker.
I hope he rams my thoughts down my neck this weekend.
Barry Rathbone
191 Posted 02/03/2023 at 11:05:39
John Raftery 172

I don't think you are in a minority many raised their eyebrows at Sam being elbowed without at least one summer window but we have a screeching, mindless, sect among the fanbase that the clueless Moshiri tunes into as a result we're going down.

The double lunacy of building a new stadium before building a decent team defies all logic and historical precedence but the same fans complicit in umpteen managerial changes couldn't see it and are now blaming the board when the blame lies squarely at Moshiri's door..

Wouldn't be surprised if Moshiri and Usmanov got together and said "how can we get these twats back?" BENITEZ!!

Martin Mason
192 Posted 02/03/2023 at 11:06:16
I think that we're in good shape and are actually only weak in three areas, defence, midfield and attack
Rob Baker
193 Posted 02/03/2023 at 11:12:33
Something to watch on BBC

Reminds me there were good times, way back in 1984 - 87 when I chose to become an Everton supporter as a 9 yr old. The thought of relegation is an alien one as I've never experienced it as a fan. I expected a defeat last night, just as I expect to lose the majority of our away homes left and probably home games vs the top teams. Results vs Forest, Brentford, Fulham, Palace, Leicester, Wolves and Bournemouth are now pivotal. 21 possible points there, enough to go pass the 40 point barrier. Trouble is with the least goals scored in the Prem this season, it's a big ask for 7x 1-0 wins.

Tony Abrahams
194 Posted 02/03/2023 at 11:14:50
The Moyes years definitely helped to destroy Everton’s, standing in the game, Andrew, and it seems like the other fella is just hanging around until he has seen that he has completed the job.

Everton need the fans, and Everton have got some of the most loyal and fanatical fans, in the whole country. We have had loads of ‘bad times’ but if DCL doesn’t get fit soon, then the worst time of the lot, is waiting just around the corner.

I love Everton, but I went to work last night, and listened on the radio instead, knowing I would have only got depressed watching them playing. There was a discussion on Iwobi on another thread, so when I googled Ordregard’s sexy skill, it was no surprise who he saw coming in, to half tackle him.

I could go on but it’s really quite simple to me. Everton need a centre forward, someone to run, someone to back into central defenders, someone to keep the ball, allowing us to get second phase play, and someone to get in the box and score.

Moshiri has given up, but good old Kenwright, is not prepared to jump from the sinking ship. My own view is that if the fraud is going to attend away games, then the great Evertonians should stay away, but that’s just my own view, because it would be the ultimate sacrifice, and show every single person in the sycophantic press, that this self centered, egotistical bastard, has helped to destroy us, and not a single Evertonian, wants him anywhere near our football club any longer.

I know Messi, is light years away from DCL, but one thing they do have in common is their value to the team. Get fucking fit Dominic, because we need you back immediately.

Roger Helm
195 Posted 02/03/2023 at 11:17:06
It is sad, almost tragic, when you think of the great players in the past we have seen in the Royal Blue (too many to name), to have to watch the present shower. Only Pickford and Seamus, in my opinion, and at times Gray, are good enough for this division.

When the PL started we were one of the “Big Five”, now look at us. We are in for a few lean years, but in the longer term, when the present owner and BK are just a bad memory, the club (by which I mean the fan base) is big enough to recover. Keep the faith!

Brian Williams
196 Posted 02/03/2023 at 11:18:21
Haven't read all the posts (apologies) but has anyone posted "Dyche out" yet?
Ernie Baywood
197 Posted 02/03/2023 at 11:19:58
Eddie... The Leeds performance was the same as the Villa performance. Our right back scored an incredible goal because he was the only one anywhere near the goal. That was the difference.

That's not a win that proves some bold managerial choices. To be honest, it's a fluke. We've had a few go against us in key games; this one went for us.

Arsenal was a lightning in a bottle moment. Helped by having our only striker available for an hour. We were dreadful once he went off.

We're no better. The players are still crap. We still can't score. We don't even really look like it. Nothing has changed. We huff and puff in defence and midfield a bit more but that's just presentation rather than intent.

We have to try something. But, going back to my original point, if I was going to look for a manager who could find a way to be more creative, more attacking, take more risks... I wouldn't appoint Dyche.

That's not a knock on Dyche. If we were bold but leaking goals I'd be all for him. But that wasn't the problem.

Lee Robinson
198 Posted 02/03/2023 at 11:36:14
Couldn't agree more Ernie on every point.
Tony Abrahams
199 Posted 02/03/2023 at 12:02:25
I read one post that said he’s got to cut the bullshit, because he said the players have got to find the same mentality away from home, that they show at Goodison, but we lost two nil, at home on Saturday.

I personally think it’s a true shout. Ancellotti said he wasn’t a magician, Benitez said you can’t buy character in John Lewis, and this same character was also questioned a few times by Frank Lampard, usually after another away day mauling.

We do need to change our mentality, but it must be soul destroying knowing you haven’t got enough up front, to go and really hurt teams, especially once you go a goal down.

The board never produced any money for a forward, and Everton actually beat the league leaders a few weeks ago at ‘Goodison Pk’ but we also had a strong, aggressive, hardworking centre forward on the pitch that day.

Raymond Fox
200 Posted 02/03/2023 at 12:02:32
Unless DCL can get fit and stay fit, we are going to go down.

Our form over the season is just not good enough, whats killing most is our results against our relegation rivals.
We are not quite dead yet but we are going to have to have help from Leeds, Wolves and Forest, I think West Ham will climb up the table.

To rely on one injury prone centre forward from the start of the season has been nothing short of criminal.

Mark Taylor
201 Posted 02/03/2023 at 12:10:01
We can talk about changing players in the team but let's face it, those who come in rarely look better than those they replaced. It's like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

One thing is for sure, we have no goals in this team as we line up. Without goals you cannot win and we need wins now, not draws. My own deck chair re-arrangement would be Simms and Gray up front, the rest of the team arranged to facilitate this. The latter does at least sometimes look like he can score, the former we have no idea about but that is slightly better than knowing full well Maupay won't and can't score.

It says a lot about our situation that this suggestion is not totally barking mad, yet it leaves us placing our hope in an unproven rookie and an unstable guy bought for just over a million who is not even a striker.

Anthony Murphy
202 Posted 02/03/2023 at 12:13:05
I think if Forest beat us we’ll cave in for the rest of the season - Dyche too. He’s not a magician. With games in hand and goal difference, a draw isn’t enough. We just can’t score - the odd corner or a one off special is all we can muster - not even the odd pen or own goal. Worrying is that every team with the lowest goals scored has been relegated from the Prem - we are the lowest scorers right now in the top FIVE English leagues.
Barry Hesketh
203 Posted 02/03/2023 at 12:17:42
Mark @201
It's also true to say that we don't need to win every match either, so any points from drawn games might prove valuable. A third of the season to go, we start off slightly adrift from those above us, which is why Sunday's match is extremely important, problem being Forest won't worry too much about our goal threat. Dyche is saying Dominic is touch and go for that game, so I'd take that as a no for him being fit.

The only consolation about our recent away form is that we've played mostly sides from the top half of the table, the alarming point is that we got well beaten at Bournemouth and West Ham in that run.

Mick O'Malley
204 Posted 02/03/2023 at 12:36:36
See the usual suspects getting the blame, Mykolenko had Saka in his back pocket at Goodison, Onana was MOTM at home against the Gunners, it’s the likes of Gana and Doucoure who are letting us down, Coady Tarkowski, these players are experienced premier League players, who should be using their experience to help the younger players, Gana has stunk the gaff out all season, how many goals has he been responsible for this season, but let’s blame the young players who are just starting out, Onana is going to be a cracking player, he will make mistakes, as will Paterson, Mykolenko and Simms, it’s the experienced players letting us down, I got buzzed of the other week cos I said I was gutted when Marco Silva got sacked,but looking back and looking at what he’s doing with Fulham maybe It wasn’t so bad under Silva, at least we scored goals, I’d be made up to see him win the cup or qualify for Europe while we circle the plug hole with our shot shy team
Anthony A Hughes
205 Posted 02/03/2023 at 12:54:38
I don't think i've ever been one to be negative but looking at the situation now there's nowhere to go for our team/club.
Managers come and go, shuffling the same group of players match after match, season after season.
We can't buy our way out of trouble and it's now obvious we're can't coach our way out of trouble either. This is more than just getting a centre forward in
There seems to be a long standing, complacent arrogance perpetrated by the owners and board of our club that we are Everton and we will never get relegated because of our history.
As a club we have only ever looked backwards at our history and never the constant, innovative forward planning that is required to be successful.
And now reality has kicked in and there's a negative losing aura around and within the club.
Until there's a complete reset with a new owner and board then I don't see this changing.
That complacent arrogance has killed us.
Dave Abrahams
206 Posted 02/03/2023 at 12:57:17
Mick (204) You are talking about the Arsenal game at home,the players played as a team, none of them had a bad game, Gana included, Tarkowski not only scored the goal he was part of a good defensive and team performance, Onana had a very good game, the only game where his potential was revealed for more than half an hour in a match, did you watch him last night ? He was terrible, when he was involved in the game, which wasn’t often, he obviously wasn’t the only one, last night after the first forty minutes was the exact opposite of the home game versus Arsenal, Mick what does Onana actually do in a game now, not the future, now? He’s supposed to be a box to box player, the lad hardly breaks sweat and that pathetic falling down looking for fouls makes him look ridiculous apart from being ignored by the refs and laughed at by the opposition.

Yes he is a young player but in the Derby game he was shown up by the younger 18 year old Liverpool midfielder who was awarded the MOTM, a kid I’d never heard of in his first season and played a lot less than Onana and cost much less as well.

Danny O’Neill
207 Posted 02/03/2023 at 13:23:34
I have been reading the comments but trying to refrain on commenting individual performances.

Onana was pretty elusive last night.

Pickford kept the score down from the already demoralising 4 - 0 drubbing.

Gueye made a terrible decision and mistake that led to a goal.

McNeil played well in the period we were still in the game. As he did against Villa.

Maupay can't play up their on his own. He's not that type of forward player. in fact, I don't know what type of forward player he is. He can be a nuisance, but we're not seeing much end product. If any.

McNeil has a sweet left foot and good delivery but no-one to aim for.

Given that, someone made a good suggestion after the Villa game. Why not switch him to the right side so he can use that left peg to have a few shots on goal? Think Andros Townsend against Burnley last season.

I think it's time to give the likes of Mills a try. And play Gray. Does the manager not fancy him?

Anyway, a few days of licking wounds, ranting about Kenwright and the board ahead as we all reset for the trip to the City Ground.

See you all there.

Mark Taylor
208 Posted 02/03/2023 at 13:24:34
Barry 2013
Very true, we don't but we do need to win some, draws won't do, and even a draw currently tends to mean we either have to hold out for 90 minutes with a less than robust defence or rely on a wonder goal from nowhere- which is not very reliable.

The definition of madness is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. We are not in a run of bad form, what we are witnessing is is remarkably consistent, accurate portrayal of our quality (or lack of it). The last time any of our attack or midfield- other than Gray- scored in the EPL was four and a half months ago. There are less than three months to go before the end of the season. That equation does not bode well.

Being realistic, I am not expecting miracles from my suggestion, as I think my post suggests. It probably won't work but at least it has the merit of not definitely not working

Kieran Kinsella
209 Posted 02/03/2023 at 13:36:34
Remember years ago when that plane flew over “Bill and Co it’s time to go.” And they showed BK on the Jumbotron and he got a standing ovation? Poor fools. It’s like in Star Wars when Palpatine got on ovation and only Yoda thought some funny was going on.
David Vaughan
210 Posted 02/03/2023 at 13:38:35
Forgive if a repost but this video piece from BBC at least raises the banner of Evertonians' ceaseless suffering while indirectly perhaps closes the door on a board who even tried to blame those who care most - about our past, our present and, existential indeed, whether or not we have a future.

Andrew James
211 Posted 02/03/2023 at 13:42:12
I was always ambivalent about Idrissa the first time round although next to Schneiderlin, anyone would look good. It felt like a lot of his chasing the ball down often resulted from him being loose in possession in the first place.

But his decline since returning is frightening and that, alongside the massive disappointment that is Doucoure and the raw talent of other central midfielders has blown a hole in that position of the pitch which, given we have problems up front and down the flanks, is the recipe for disaster.

We've always had a problem in one part of the team in previous seasons. Like when we didn't replace Lukaku or when the centre mid was struggling and Carlo rightly brought in Allan. But to have so many dysfunctional positions on the pitch is ridiculous.

It beggars belief that the board would invest long term with BMD but not in the squad and who coaches them.

Christy Ring
212 Posted 02/03/2023 at 13:51:20
We desperately need Dom back, Dyche said he's touch and go for Sunday, so that's an improvement on his last update. Sunday and the rest of the season is all about blood, sweat and tears now. So no Iwobi for me, if Gueye can't just break up play and lay it off, then play Holgate in midfield beside Garner at Forest. Godfrey probably at left back, Coleman showed last night, there's no one to replace him, Patterson too injury prone. Desperate times for desperate measures.
Rob Hooton
213 Posted 02/03/2023 at 14:26:41
I only saw a bit of the first half and thought we were doing okay, with the usual lack of quality in the final third letting us down. (Iwobi made one breathtaking run, through several challenges and about 40 yards, he had two decent passes on and gave it straight to an Arsenal player, typically.)

My stream went down just after Arsenal scored their first, I didn't bother trying to get it back on as the writing was on the wall.

There's little I can say that previous posters haven't already. I imagine we are now banking on Calvert-Lewin getting fit to try and save our top flight status.

If we do go down, we will be able to see who really is ‘Championship at best'!

Brian Harrison
214 Posted 02/03/2023 at 14:42:07
Dave @206,

I think you and I are of the same opinion on the players who regularly under-perform.

My opinion is that everybody should be putting in a shift and I don't think Dyche thinks Onana is, as he said both Doucoure and McNeil put in a shift and he also said the only reason he took Coleman off was because it will be 3 games in a week at Forest.

I also think Iwobi has worked out over the last 15 months that, as long as he runs around like a headless chicken while cleverly avoiding to make a tackle, the fans will be happy with that, and seemingly many are happy with that.

The problem is we don't have many alternatives – only untried kids from the U21s. How Lampard and Thelwell allowed the club to get into this position is a dereliction of duty. Just to rub salt in the wounds for leaving us in this mess, Lampard has been given a £5M - £7M payoff.

I can’t think of another industry where you make a complete and utter shambles of your job and, in just over a year, you walk with these sorts of amounts.

Stephen Davies
215 Posted 02/03/2023 at 14:55:04
I'm afraid our Premiership status will totally depend on DCLs fitness ( and to a certain extent Garners...what is the update on him?)
Garner is really the only creative player in the whole squad and will be crucial to providing chances for any forward in or around the box
Andrew Grey
216 Posted 02/03/2023 at 14:58:11
To look on the bright side we can still actually win the league! Just need to win every game and improve our goal difference by about 50 goals.

OK we have to rely on Arsenal losing every game and city gaining just 5 more points but mathematically......

Bill Gall
217 Posted 02/03/2023 at 15:08:32
The saddest thing reading a number of the reports is the away support are slowly loosing their fantastic support, not that they are not going but they don't seem to be as enthusiastic as if they expect the inevitable.
Watching from afar I can just turn the sound down, or walk away for a while to cool down, and not listen to the home team mocking our club, but they have to stay and watch and listen.
I started supporting Everton in 1954 when playing in Walton Hall Park we could hear the cheering and walked over to Goodison and at that time they were opening the big gates about 20 min from the end and we walked in, could not see much but it was the atmosphere that swayed me.
I left Liverpool in 1976 but still call it home, and it would take me to write a novel on how I tried to get information, trips back roughly every3/4 years, Wembly visits, but even when there was poor periods I cant remember ever being as low and saddened as today.
It reminds you of the rise and fall of the Roman Empire only it is Moshiri fiddles while Everton burns.
Thank you to the away support you people regularly bring, you provide the face of the supporters who cant go to away games and it is criminal that people responsible for this situation believe they are doing a good job.
Rob Halligan
218 Posted 02/03/2023 at 15:14:43
Let’s put things into perspective here. We were playing the league leaders, (and probably the league champions in a few weeks time) on their own patch. A team who had only dropped fifteen points all season, have already beaten the RS, man utd and spurs at home, and in fact, virtually every other team they have played. So why anyone expected any thing different last night, I don’t know? The main topic of conversation on the coach going down, and also when I was speaking to John Raftery at Watford Gap services during a pit stop, was that most would have accepted the inevitable defeat at Arsenal if it meant beating Forest at the weekend. What we didn’t want was a hiding, and therefore damaging the goal difference, which unfortunately wasn’t prevented.

I thought for the first forty minutes we done ok, keeping Arsenal at arms length, without them causing any threats on our goal, until a well worked goal by Saka and a brain fart moment by Gueye, sealed the game as a contest. I guess the second half was a case of damage limitation and maybe try and sneak a goal. Neither were possible, although McNeil brought a good save from Ramsdale, and Tom Davies had a chance later on which he really should have put away.

Was a pretty sombre mood on the coach journey back home, made worse by someone deciding to throw up all over the toilet, covering the floor, walls, door and mirror, resulting in a stop whilst the coach drivers had to clean it all up. Then we had to come off the M6 around Stafford due to, I think, an accident, which put yet more time on the journey, which eventually ended at 2.50am, for me anyway, when I got off at The Rocket, and was met by my taxi (The missus), eventually getting home at 2.55am.

So it’s onto Forest this Sunday, and let’s hope the team can accommodate the wishes of most fans yesterday, accepting the defeat against Arsenal if it meant beating Forest. Despite what some think, we are not down and out. A football season lasts thirty eight games, and there are still thirteen left. We will only be down and out when we are four points behind seventeenth place with one game left.

Eddie Dunn
219 Posted 02/03/2023 at 15:27:00
Well said Rob.
Mark Ryan
220 Posted 02/03/2023 at 15:46:29
Rob, Pragmatic. Like that. We have to believe
Danny Baily
221 Posted 02/03/2023 at 15:57:19
Rob, we're down and all but out. It's difficult to plot a path to anything other than around 30 points from here, and has been since the defeat to Southampton.

Five wins from thirteen is a run of form that currently has Spurs in the top four. There's no realistic prospect of us going on that sort of run.

Danny O’Neill
222 Posted 02/03/2023 at 16:01:53
As the words of the song go Rob, you are speaking words of wisdom.

It was painful. It hurt, but at the end of the day, we were just outclassed by a clinical side, who could well win the league this season. We still have a lot to play for.

Amazing you got in only 3 hours after me and I live only 20 miles away from the Emirates.

No pick up from the station for me. Everton are viewed as the other woman in my life that I have apparently been having an affair with for the 30 years we've been together,

When continuously asked who I love the most, the only response I can give is that it's different. It never goes down well but you have to take into account she's from the West Midlands and, to be honest, I probably am a bit excessive when it comes to Everton. I can't help that and can't change it.

The habit I can't break. She will have nothing to do with it. So these days Uber gets me home on the final leg of many long days.

Onto Sunday and will see you and the rest of the blues there. We are still in the fight despite last night.

It's not going to be pretty so for those of you who are not in for the ride, close your eyes. Mine are wide open and I'm willing to fix bayonets. Okay, that's a bit extreme, but you get the emotion.

This time out I want a celebratory man hug Rob!!!

Rob Halligan
223 Posted 02/03/2023 at 16:17:57
Danny, I’ve resisted all temptation to reply to your constant “Stuck like a Record” quote of us “already being relegated” despite there still being plenty of games left. You have been saying this for weeks now, and do you know what, we are not relegated, or down and out just yet. We are one point behind Leeds, in seventeenth place, two behind West Ham in sixteenth, and only four behind Forest who are in thirteenth. The one thing that is now beginning to look like it could be decisive come the end of the season, is our goal difference, which has took a bit of a battering in recent weeks. But at the moment, we are definitely not down and out. There are still plenty of twists and turns left in this season, and I am confident enough to predict a minimum return of four points from the next two games, which will see us out of the bottom three, as I can’t see a very poor Leeds team getting anything from their next two games.
Kieran Kinsella
224 Posted 02/03/2023 at 16:24:12
Rob Halligan

Goal difference is no longer our friend as you say but the crazy thing is that we've only conceded one more goal than Tottenham who are in fifth. Typically teams with -20 goal difference are conceding 70/80 goals per season as opposed to 40 odd.

Brian Wilkinson
225 Posted 02/03/2023 at 16:39:13
Shit or bust Sunday, forget keeping it tight and hoping we Nick one, start with Maupay and Simms in attack and go for it, we cannot go with the one striker option again.
Rob Halligan
226 Posted 02/03/2023 at 16:50:59
Bill # 217………… thing that will never waiver is the fantastic away support, as can be seen by the fact that Chelsea away, which is a 5.30 kick off on a Saturday afternoon, when there is a train strike on the same day, has already sold out. The club will probably lay on additional coaches, but whatever, blues fans will always find ways to get to away games. And there are not many, that I know of anyway, who have already thrown in the towel and think we are already down and out.
Barry Hesketh
227 Posted 02/03/2023 at 17:04:19
Looking at the away tallies of some of our rivals, it would seem, despite our lack of goals, that we are not alone in failing to pick up points on the road. Leeds, Forest and West Ham have earned six, Everton and Bournemouth seven, whilst Southampton and Leicester City have earned a dozen points on the road.

On their own grounds, Saints have only taken six points, Leicester a dozen, Bournemouth Everton and Wolves fourteen with Leeds on sixteen. Forest unfortunately have taken nineteen points at home, so will be a tougher nut to crack than some might think.

Everton should really try and go for it on Sunday, it's not make or break, but a win at Forest wouldn't go amiss.

Darren Hind
228 Posted 02/03/2023 at 17:21:24
Our away support will never lose their passion But FFS when are they going to be given something to cheer ?
Even a loyal dog needs to be thrown the occasional bone. Our away form has been dismal for as long as I can remember.
The only time it looked respectable was in Carlo's season and due to the virus they couldnt go to enjoy it. The irony.

I wish I could still travel, because there was always a great camaraderie among travelling fans and Evertonians have always been able to make their own entertainment Which is just as well really. The team hasnt done it for years

David Currie
229 Posted 02/03/2023 at 17:23:49
The one thing we have to do at forest is to score first. These players don't have the belief in themselves to come back and get results. Bring Gray and Mina in as they add scoring potential. We have to attack in these next 2 games and get 6 points.
Bill Gall
230 Posted 02/03/2023 at 17:34:42
Hi Rob
Sorry if my article sounded as if our away supporters were down and out or anything of that nature, that was not what I meant.far from it, I was trying to show how this club is trying to curb their enthuse ism by their standard of play and the running of the club, even though the supporters will still go to the away games.
Allen Rodgers
231 Posted 02/03/2023 at 17:37:19
Rob & Darren, yes our fans are the only good thing about the club. In particular the away fans who go to great lengths and great expense to follow this shower !
Danny Baily
232 Posted 02/03/2023 at 18:04:33
Rob 223, I have been a bit of a stuck record. How's this: win on Sunday, have other results go our way and we'll be out of the bottom three and we'll have dragged Forest into the mix.

Goal difference can be an indication of a club in a false position. On that basis, it's Forest we should have in our sights.

Danny O’Neill
233 Posted 02/03/2023 at 18:08:28
Absolutely Darren.

The companionship amongst the travelling fans is unrivalled. Amongst those who know each other and those we don't know but talk to.

I was talking to a young kid and his dad last night to reassure the poor lad. Never met them in my life. I made him smile, which was difficult in the circumstances.

And it works both ways for the likes of me and others as every home game and trip to my home city is an away day. We always find a way to be there.

Cheese bites and chicken works for my dogs. Maybe I should try that with the players.

Rob and others, see you Sunday. We are not down and out.

Brian Hennessy
234 Posted 02/03/2023 at 18:24:29
The positive from last night is that for 40 minutes we looked very good playing away to the potential champions. You could see us growing in confidence and starting to pass the ball around with some composure.

I'm hoping Dyche can build on that for this weekend rather than what happened in the rest of the game.

We also learned a few things in the second half last night.

1. Holgate is not a midfielder.
2. Godfrey does not have the positional awareness to play as a full back

I really hope Dyche realises soon that he has to fit Gray into the team. He is our best hope of scoring a goal. It can't be just about hard work (Maupay) and running around like a headless chicken (Iwobi).

Rob Hooton
235 Posted 02/03/2023 at 18:42:26
Darren, our away support is frustratingly amazing! Frustrating for me as I can never get a ticket in the away end, thus continuing the cycle (as you need x amount of points, you can never get one unless you’re a regular). I think I’m a ‘supporter’ of a dozen clubs, signed up just to get tickets with the home fans - I can only join our fans in spirit, with the fear of getting my head kicked in or ejected with a false move!

I sat on my hands at Stoke in the Boothen End when we scored one time, the goal was disallowed but I saw a couple of battered blues getting escorted out shortly after. That place was rough.

Rob Halligan
236 Posted 02/03/2023 at 19:06:33
Danny # 232………..that’s the spirit, but do I detect a bit of patronising? I’m not saying we are in a false position, far from it, but as I said, our goal difference has took a bit of a battering recently, and could ultimately be our downfall. You’re right though, it’s Forest we should have in our sights, but first and foremost, getting above Leeds, and staying above Leeds, is our ultimate aim. Something which we are more than capable of doing.

By the way, Danny, sorry if I’ve mis-interpreted your post, and there was no patronising on your behalf.

Andy Crooks
238 Posted 02/03/2023 at 19:16:20
Rob Halligan, you deserve a medal and John Rafferty, Danny and every travelling blue. Not just for your magnificent support but for bringing a bit of hope to this site. Rob, mate, you have brought me back in line. We WILL NOT be relegated.
Danny Baily
239 Posted 02/03/2023 at 19:27:17
It was genuine Rob but no worries! This weekend really could be a turning point.
Paul Smith
240 Posted 02/03/2023 at 19:37:21

Phil McNulty 5 minute video on our current plight on the BBC with fan input. Worth a watch,

Nick White
242 Posted 02/03/2023 at 20:38:32
Good video that on BBC. Even a flashback of when we won things!

If you’re into predictions I found the following site that you can predict results until the end of the season and a table calculator. I have us 1 point short of safety👎

Paul Birmingham
243 Posted 02/03/2023 at 21:31:57
Upon to Forest.

Butvall players in an6 team have an off spell, in a game, a bad game in a month,a few over a season, that’s Seriously wonder if Gana and Mykolenko, think they’re playing 5 aside, because last night wasn’t the first time, but the manner of the second hoal, Gana looked like he was in a “haze..”

But Forest, also are in no great shape, in terms of form and players available.

So now it’s a modern version in terms of result, but not as important as Palace last season at home, Wimbledon, 94, and Coventry 98, but vital in view of the dynamic of this month of fixtures.

They were the games in those seasons, that went to the last game, and despite last nights result, there’s still plenty of games to play.

Fire and steel, and belief, but no shirking and no losing role and responsibility on th3 pitch.

For me start with Demarai, and we have a shooters chance, and so Maupay should be homing in on any spills, and purposely Everton should change the flight and target area and go low near post when the position presents, from a dead ball.

TC, was the bravest of the brave since Andy Gray, but Maupay, must have this in his locker, to get in the kill zone, for a diving header..

The old days at Forest, good memories, not one of Everton’s better grounds but good days out, and a few hoodoos, were broken over the years.

I’d get Reid, Ratcliffe, Psycho, Bracewell, and Nev, down, to Finch Farm this week, to get the players, inspired, and prepared to fight for Everton's future.

The stakes are high, and the future of the club is at stake.


Paul Birmingham
244 Posted 02/03/2023 at 22:06:49
And Tricky, Sheeds, Zico, Clarke, Richardson, and Shaggy, infact all the Squad, as they worked for the Team and didn’t sulk.

And for good measure Amo, Limpar, Parkinson, Rideout, Hinchcliffe..

Reality is that unfortunately the last period of success, and Everton players who were winners, is a long time ago.

But every game now is a Cup Final.

Cmon, Everton, pay back time, and no mercy. Please beat Forest.

I was working close to BMD, today, and took a good look, and the stadium looks fantastic, and to have done so much, with a massive project just to get the ground ready for build, is some thing else.

This building, is a statement as many have said, relegation is not an option, this season or any for Everton.

“Whats Our Name!”


Jerome Shields
245 Posted 02/03/2023 at 23:17:08

Thank you for your post.

Derek Knox
246 Posted 03/03/2023 at 03:47:48
Disappointed with the result but in all honesty, not unexpected, which again shows not only that we struggle, and are going to even more, with lack of goals from all areas. Not only that, it is the way we seem to fold mentally once going a goal or two down. Still a mystery why Simms, who has to be better than Maupay but possibly less industrious, as is why he keeps bringing Davies on as a Sub, the man is about as much use a fart in a thunderstorm.

The game on Sunday against Forest away now takes on an even greater significance, if we can get a positive result hope is restored, albeit temporarily, but nevertheless we still have a few mountains to climb after that.

Kieran Kinsella
247 Posted 03/03/2023 at 04:24:26

Thankfully I wasn’t able to watch it as I was at work but I read various reports saying how Whittles nephew blew an easy chance to score : again. Yes the game was lost but a goal or two could’ve impacted our goal difference Easily the worst player ever to make more than

50 appearances for us.. Obviously, there’s one poster on here who will be frothing at the mouth at any criticism of Whittles relative for reasons unknown. But honestly it would be better to take a player off and send no one on at all than to bring on that 150 appearance joker. As to Simms? We know from Sunderland, Hearts etc that he can shoot. Yes he might be too slow and immobile to get himself into a scoring position at EPL level very often. But, at least there’s a chance that if a chance comes his way he can hit the target versus Maupay who couldn’t score in a brothel.

Darren Hind
249 Posted 03/03/2023 at 05:21:51
It's with great amusement that I see a poster fooling himself into believing he is not continuing his obsession with Tom Davies (which he vowed to abstain from) by referring to him as "Alan Whittle's nephew". Its with even greater amusement I read Mr Knox single him out for the usual vitriol.

I would not be surprised to see "Bette"/"Harpo"/RCWTH (or whatever other side splittingly funny name the Tony Blackburns want to call him) Start on Sunday.

The unceremonious manner in which Dyche removed Gana from the fray would suggest he has lost patience with a guy who seems to be working up to surrendering a goal a game.

While those who clearly didnt see the game will single TD out (Yet again). Those who did (And I include Dyche) will know the fourth goal went in within a minute of him coming on - Before he had even touched the ball...I think the manager is more likely to be blaming the players who actually got hammered than a late sub he put on to try to stem the tide.

The knowledgeable fan will be inclined to criticise our players who gave up the goals and were being run ragged by a rampant swaggering Arsenal. The others, Wont.

Those "Previous life Hypnotist's" have got an awful lot to answer for

Steve Brown
250 Posted 03/03/2023 at 05:27:17
Bottom line is Gueye needs a break from the team for his own sake and the sake of the team.

I actually think that Tom should play in Gueye's holding role in midfield against Forest.

He has positional discipline and looks like to play a progressive pass. I am pretty sure he filled in that position on occasion, and I recall being impressed with the intelligent way he approached it.

Mark Murphy
252 Posted 03/03/2023 at 07:34:54
Darren thank you for the compliment - I must be one of those knowledgable fans you mention as I was indeed very angry with the abject surrender after a decent start. The overwhelming feeling on Wednesday was that we turned up to get beat. That even pervaded the atmosphere in the crowd with many blues I spoke with expecting the beating and merely sighing “oh well - it’s Arsenal away” I never go the game expecting to get beat - if I did I wouldn’t bother buying a ticket as I’m neither rich nor gullible - but I always hope I’ll be there for “that game - that moment”. I was very disappointed and furious in equal measures as I walked away from that shiny ground on Wednesday but I’ll be going to Chelsea and Palace with that same hope as I went to the Emirates. BTW - I’d have Tom Davies in the team before Gana Gueye x 100. Why we brought him back and let Allan go is a mystery to me! UTFT!
Laurie Hartley
253 Posted 03/03/2023 at 07:53:18
I actually felt a bit sorry for Maupay shortly before he was taken off. He received a difficult ball just inside our half on the left. He fought off a challenge went past another and was then pounced upon by 5!! Arsenal players and of cause lost possession.

He turned round with his hand held out towards (I think) our lot as if to say “where is the support”. He looked really distressed when he was subbed.

I think he can score he just needs a bit of support. I would definitely drop Iwobi and replace him with Gray.

Gray on the right, McNeill on the left both of whom can cut in and shoot on their best foot. Give the opposition defenders more than one goal threat to deal with. That will really help Maupay.

Danny O’Neill
254 Posted 03/03/2023 at 08:04:50
I'm confused why Tom Davies has come into the conversation. He came on with, I think, about 10 minutes of normal time remaining.

Hardly time to impact an already lost game.

On Gueye, he's being asked to do too much. He can still be a good anchor man, but needs people around him.

Onana needs to show more consistency to realise his potential. Iwobi seems to recently have gone back to his confused and indecisive self.

Maybe Davies alongside Gueye could work?

Eddie Dunn
255 Posted 03/03/2023 at 08:18:35
Tom Davies did manage to somehow miss another chance.Iisn't it interesting that Tom can come on and, within a minute or two, get himself into a goal-scoring position whilst most of the other midfielders can't even get into the box.

He sees the big picture, does Tom, and although he might not be Zidane, he always puts in a shift. I would like to see him play from the start on Sunday.

Gana has done some decent work of late but he has become dozy and lost possession with his impression of one of Lewis's and his tendency to pass the ball to the fellers in the wrong kit.

In a meritocracy, people should be dropped when they have a few bad games and promoted if they put in the graft in training. Coady was rightfully dropped, so now I hope Iwobi will be benched too. Surely it is time for Gray to start in his place.

I would like to see 4-4-2 with Simms up top alongside Maupay but I imagine that Dyche will stick to one up top. We need momentum, we need to avoid defeat.

Boy do we need a win.

Christine Foster
256 Posted 03/03/2023 at 08:35:51

Good spot about Iwobi. I watched the game to the very end, painful and upsetting, but up until the 40th min, we looked tight and the game plan was working… hit on break.

We had chances too in the first half, I think I could have scored one of them in heels! But asking them to keep that up for 90 minutes was never going to work unless we nicked one.

Getting back to Iwobi, no way should he be out wide... hopeless. He was far more effective when we played him as a Number 10 (says a lot, that). He ran but actually didn't track back. Coleman was attacked all evening… so what now?

I think Gana got sin-binned, and unless we have no options, I doubt he will start against Forest. Holgate was nowhere near good enough in midfield, ending the conversation about him playing there.

But the big ask is up front. Nothing Dyche has tried so far has worked at all. Not his fault, but it’s time to shuffle the deck.

Assuming no Calvert-Lewin, start with two up front... find a playmaker in Garner if fit, If not Simms up front then stick Mina there as a target man – he causes chaos in penalty areas and is a handful.

We can still do this, but Dyche really needs to change it; more of the same gives more of the same because, at the moment, we cannot wait for Calvert-Lewin or Maupay to come good.

Steve Brown
257 Posted 03/03/2023 at 08:45:04
Patterson and Garner played last night for the U21s, so hopefully they will be fit next week.

If / when Calvert-Lewin gets fit, the line-up might look a bit more able to save us:

Patterson Mina Tarkowski Godfrey
Gray Garner Onana (or Gueye) McNeil

Danny O’Neill
258 Posted 03/03/2023 at 08:50:26
I agree with that, Christine.

I don't often get into the predictive line-ups, but I also think it's better to have Iwobi in the centre of a 3, so I guess I'm reverting to a 4-3-2-1.

Probably McNeil, Iwobi and Gray backed up by two from Gueye, Davies or Onana.

But the underlying problem being that we don't have strikers. Well, not ones that like scoring goals!

On we go to Nottingham. I'll be there and I know you will be from thousands of miles away in spirit and soul, which takes just as much effort. I can sleep on the train!!

John Bourne
259 Posted 03/03/2023 at 09:26:33
It would appear that we need to start winning games, in order to win a game it is necessary to score more goals than the opposing team, a simple concept really, but one that seems to be totally lost on the team I have supported since 1968.
Christopher Timmins
260 Posted 03/03/2023 at 09:39:56
We need a win, but above all else we cannot leave the City Ground with another defeat after failing to score. That scenario just creates the wrong kind of momentum heading into the Brentford game. It also creates a significant gap between ourselves and Forest, one of the clubs that I was expecting us to finish ahead of.

Christine Foster
261 Posted 03/03/2023 at 09:45:01
Danny, whatever the ungodly hour of the morning, it will be the worst timing for me its on at 3am on Monday morning.. I will be ready as always.. Courage is needed by Dyche to change what isn't working. Waiting for it to come right no longer is an option. One goal and park the bus..I don't care, but we can do this..
Kevin Prytherch
262 Posted 03/03/2023 at 10:02:56
The issue with Gana is that he does not have the football intelligence to play the role of that protective shield for the back 4. There were countless times against Arsenal (and pretty much every other team this season) where he charged forward, we lost the ball then there was a huge gap between midfield and defence where he should have been. Allan used to do the same.

Gareth Barry did the job brilliantly, Lee Carsley also did it very well for a few years.

The only player I’ve seen do the job well recently has been Tom Davies for a few games when Allan was injured. His positional discipline was spot on, he also slotted in for full backs if they went forward to ensure we weren’t exposed in wide areas on the counter and put in a lot of crunching challenges to break up play.

Tom Davies has also had more chances in 25 minutes of the last 2 games he’s played than the combined 500 minutes of the other 3 central midfielders.

Unfortunately Tom doesn’t come with a hefty price tag and has therefore got to prove himself all over again to every manager.

Mark Murphy
263 Posted 03/03/2023 at 10:07:15
I think Dyche has improved the performances of the team BUT some of the parts of that team - certain players - are woefully out of form and have played poorly in the last few games. I know we have limited options but good sides pick their on form players and don't hesitate in dropping those who are off form. The only change made for Arsenal was (rightly) dropping Coady, who's struggling for form, and replacing him (wrongly) with Mick Keane. I'm a big fan of Myko but he's been poor lately. Replace him with Godfrey who is fresh. Gueye, Doucoure and Iwobi are all in a rut, especially Gueye who is costing us a goal a game it seems to me. Maupay up front just isn't working - how many games does it take for that to sink in? Hopefully Patterson and Garner will be fit to start giving us two options there. I cant see Dyche going two up top so give Simms a good go - he's faster than he looks and as someone said, at least he has a shot on him. My team
Patterson Mina Tarks Godfrey
Gray Garner Davies Onana McNeil
Joe McMahon
264 Posted 03/03/2023 at 10:11:34
The wonderful Chris Sutton has stated the wonderful news that Forrest have not lost a home game since September. And unfortunately for us they now have more forwards than you can shake stick at. Let's hope Dyche does have a plan.
Raymond Fox
265 Posted 03/03/2023 at 10:22:49
We weren't expected to come away with anything on their ground, its the games against other lesser lights in the league that have crippled us.

The Nottingham game is a must win I feel, if we lose this one we are in dire trouble baring miracles.
They are slight favs in the betting but the result could go any old way between two poor teams.

We cant even buy a goal from the midfield, if the club had a plan to get us relegated they could have not executed it better.
Sell Richarlison, Gordon and rely on the fitness of DCL, brilliant!

Rob Halligan
266 Posted 03/03/2023 at 10:25:53
Joe, the fact that Forest have more forwards than you can shake a stick at, means sweet FA really, seeing as they have only scored one more goal than us, and we’ve got hardly any forwards that you can shake a stick at. Don’t think I’ve heard that saying before!! Dyche will certainly come up with a plan to nullify the Forest “Potent attack”, and we will come away from the City Ground with all three points!
Danny O’Neill
267 Posted 03/03/2023 at 10:27:48
I rarely swear on here as John Senior normally shouts at me, but fuck Chris Sutton.

For some unbeknown reason to me, he really dislikes Everton.

And that is not paranoia.


That's two visits and donations to the sweatbox in one post.

Laurie Hartley
268 Posted 03/03/2023 at 10:28:53
We are in a bar room brawl - wrong environment for Iwobi.
Derek Knox
269 Posted 03/03/2023 at 10:53:29
Darren @249, I see you are doing your usual, jumping to conclusions, assuming that neither Kieran or myself watched the game. Well, you are certainly wrong on my account, I unfortunately witnessed every painful minute after 40 had elapsed with some sort of hope to at least hold out till half time. No, not so that Harpo/Bette could come into the fray, but for the fact that the longer we held out the more frustrated Arsenal could possibly get and maybe make an error.

Regarding TD you also mention, before he had a touch, now there's another rarity, as I 've said before, he makes all the moves to get involved, never quite makes it and raises his boot as if to say, "that was close" (10 to 15 yards too slow) only to repeat, rinse and re-spin. If he was Washing Machine, he would have been on the discarded White Goods Pile at the Tip or Scrapyard long ago.

Hoping the successful run out by both Patterson and Garner does see some involvement on Sunday against Forest, even using Patterson as a right sided Midfielder with Seamus behind. Likewise Godfrey at left back with Vinagre/Myko as a left sided Midfielder pushing McNeil further forward.

Mark Murphy
270 Posted 03/03/2023 at 11:04:15
Danny - only one swearword there.
Gobshite is a perfectly acceptable adjective.
(Up the flipping Toffees!)
Dave Abrahams
271 Posted 03/03/2023 at 11:05:32
Laurie (268), definitely Laurie and for those who want him to play centre midfield that just gives him more space to hide, playing on the wing all his limitations are exposed,Onana is not much better just ambling about with one or two good touches now and again and with Gana undoing his very high work rate with too many faults it’s a hard job for Dyche to sort out the midfield to add to his attacking problems.

I would play Maupay wide, Davies in centre midfield and leave Dyche to sort the rest of the team out, we do need battlers not day dreamers in the team, have we got enough battlers? We’ll find out on Sunday after we win because we will win.

Sam Hoare
272 Posted 03/03/2023 at 11:35:50
Alot of people calling to start Simms but the one game he did start was the game under Dyche that we have created comfortably the least. Maybe that's a co-incidence or maybe not.

Something different is not always something better.

The Gana situation is tricky, he's made two mistakes in the last game and given up two crucial goals that hurt us. But equally we looked much less coherent in the second half with him gone. He's obviously in poor form but who would do better? Maybe Onana could play there but he still looks raw. Holgate is NOT a DCM and neither is Doucoure. Maybe Davies will be given a shot but that seems unlikely.

Derek Knox
273 Posted 03/03/2023 at 11:47:11
Laurie @ 268, " We are in a bar room brawl - wrong environment for Iwobi."

We should be in the OK Corral's OK Saloon !

Whether it is Clickbait or not but I have read, that Iwobi wants a move, and is looking to move on, as much as I don't mind the lad, I do think we overpaid for him, and at first he was pretty pathetic, but has since become our most Industrious player, but not really producing enough for all his running. I therefore, if the rumours prove to be true, would not be shedding too many tears regarding his departure. Truly believe we need a massive shake-up of playing personnel, and Board (first)

Whereas Colin Glassar, has already got the Champagne on Ice, got Playboy Bunny GIrls on short notice, and doing Scissor Kicks as he walks down his street. :-)

Andrew Clare
274 Posted 03/03/2023 at 12:08:04
John #259.
I agree. Mismanagement of the highest order at Everton football club i.e. thinking that you can win football matches without an attack.
Talk about being let down we have been totally failed by a bunch of amateurs running our club
Tony Abrahams
275 Posted 03/03/2023 at 12:14:13
Onana is a better player than Davies, but I’d sooner have Tom Davies, playing on Sunday against Forest, in a relegation battle.

I only watched the highlights but looking at Arsenal’s first goal, it’s clear that Onana doesn’t want to do the dirty work, and this really helps the opposition.

Arsenal are clever, the Ukrainian left back, played the same way at Goodison, and constantly went and played in central midfield, because his team were manipulating the ball, but if you play half hearted, this just allows your opponent that extra little bit of time they need, and this is how I viewed Arsenal’s first goal.

Onana might be able to stroll, if or when he gets to play for a top team, but right now we need everyone working hard for each other, and not feigning that it should be somebody else’s job, to go and close down the man with the ball. We all see a different game.

Kevin Molloy
276 Posted 03/03/2023 at 12:16:45
I'm afraid our chap Thelwell makes Sharpie look like a freedom fighter. Imagine being the mastermind behind our last two transfer windows, and then having the balls to come on bigging up the Chairman over our goalie signing his new contract. Other than Dyche I fear the ship is rotten from top to bottom.
Robert Tressell
277 Posted 03/03/2023 at 12:31:45
Just victims of terrible recruitment and more recently serious financial constraints.

As with Allan, Gueye has been mistaken for a holding midfielder on the basis that he tackles a lot.

However, Gueye is a hunter of the ball in a hard pressing team. Not a holding midfielder in a deep sitting team. And his range of passing is much worse than Allan's.

Carsley and Barry were specialists who slotted into that specialist position well.

Onana may grow into that role but he's not there yet. He'd benefit right now from an experienced holding midfielder alongside him. That's not Gueye, Doucoure or Davies.

So, as with the attack, there isn't an obvious better option to what Dyche is already doing in midfield - just a different bad one.

Christopher Timmins
278 Posted 03/03/2023 at 12:33:38
Thelwell certainly has some questions to answer all right, the first one being how much control he hand over the transfers in and out of the building.

Van der Beek
Maupay and

have hardly set the world on fire. The jury is out on Garner and Onana.

Do we actually know who acquired Myko and Patterson?

Bringing back Gana reminds me of the return of Rooney and the acquisition of Ginola and Gazza before that.

Danny O’Neill
279 Posted 03/03/2023 at 12:57:42
I'd agree with that Tony.

Onana is 21 and can become a very good player, but he's walked into the tornado that is Everton and we've placed a lot of expectation on him because we have few alternative options.

I'd give him a rest. Tom will be chomping at the bit more than my boy Ridgeback spotting a fox at 6am.

Thelwell has a lot of shit to sort out under the constraints he has walked into. That isn't going to happen overnight.

Good analysis on the similarities but also differences between Allan and Gueye Robert.

Mike Price
280 Posted 03/03/2023 at 13:17:39
The best news in ages I’ve heard is that Iwobi wants to leave and there may be a team in Turkey that would actually take him off our hands with the bonus being, before the end of the season.

The sooner the waste of space is gone the better.
I’ve rarely seen a more pointless midfielder, he shuffles all over the field but never sprints back, never makes a tackle despite nearly getting to the man, isn’t a creator, shows no aggression, he’s not a goal threat and isn’t a dead ball specialist….apart from that!

Barry Hesketh
281 Posted 03/03/2023 at 13:47:35
Onana won't be here next season, I think Chelsea and others are already circling. I'm not at all sure about the lad, he doesn't seem to have an obvious ability to me and unless he was in an Everton shirt, I wouldn't really notice him. Mind you there's a whole group of players at Goodison that would apply to.

I don't know about others, but I'm getting angrier by the day, with the silence emanating from the Goodison hierarchy, I worry that some new and unexpected bombshell is ready to torpedo our collective and already fragile confidence, but I also hope that the silence is masking good news and a reshuffle of the board is on the cards.

Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde by Robert Louis Stevenson is a narrative about the complexities of the school of science and the duplicity of the Everton hierarchy. Dr Jekyll was a kind, well-respected and intelligent impresario who meddles with the darker side of the school of science, as he wants to bring out his 'second' mortgage to replace Mr Hide who hasn't been seen in the Walton area for at least 18 months.

Colin Malone
282 Posted 03/03/2023 at 13:48:15
I would still play Gana. Who is better?

Onana. Is being played out of position, because of his height. You cannot be creative, in an advanced position, that he is being told to do.

Iwobi. As we all know. Is shite when he plays on the wing.

Never thought I would say this. We miss Rondom and Townsend.

Raymond Fox
283 Posted 03/03/2023 at 14:11:17
Chris 278, our problem when signing players is we can only sign second best.
The top players - the really good ones - only want to play for top teams.
Also they cost too much even if they would sign for us.
Our scouts whoever they might be don't come up with many bargins, its here where we are being let down.

Mike 280, he has been picked by every manager he's had with us and he's a rare beast in our team that can find a pass that puts one of our players through the opposition defence. It doesn't happen that often mind you.

Tony Hill
284 Posted 03/03/2023 at 14:40:11
Raymond @283, yes he put McNeil in against Villa with an excellent pass which we bungled. He’s been relatively poor recently but there is no one else in the team who can find gaps.

Interestingly, the only other one who can get his head up and try to make things happen is Davies. Or Garner if he’s ever fit.

Colin Glassar
285 Posted 03/03/2023 at 14:42:12
Mike 280, I second that. He’s a complete waste of space and I’ve never seen him win a 50/50 ball and he runs (prances) around a lot hoping to avoid the ball at all costs. Worse than useless.
Nick Page
286 Posted 03/03/2023 at 15:02:52
Iwobi is at best a bit of luxury player. He’s never an Everton player. Had a flurry end of last season and that was it. Not what we need now or in the future. Another massive waste of money and this one on Moshiri 100%. Arsenal couldn’t sell him quick enough for silly money. Yet another example of EFC board/management piss poor strategy and getting their pants pulled down by the Sky 6. So many times.
Andrew McLawrence
287 Posted 03/03/2023 at 15:05:19
The more that posters talk about 'has beens' being all we ever sign the more this resonates. The first I remember was Whiteside and his crocked knees. Roll it up to last few years and we have Schneids, Siggy, Allan, James, Alli, and on and on! If we can't attract prime career talent, then we need a scouting network for up and coming gems. We don't have this either. Utter shambles of a club.
Rennie Smith
288 Posted 03/03/2023 at 15:20:41
A fair bit of harsh criticism of Onana, I don't think he coasts but may have the odd anonymous game (which is to be expected of a 21-year-old). I think Gana will be on the naughty step so I'd expect Davies to come in for him. he could play a blinder, he could look like a pub-player, who knows what you're going to get?

As for Iwobi, I was happy to change my view of him the second half of last season, but he seems to have gone back into a sulk which is unacceptable. Apparently, he's the fittest in the squad by miles, but that didn't show on Wednesday or against Villa. It looks like he's shitting out of responsibility again, a bit like when he pulled out of taking a pen in the League Cup shootout a few seasons back.

Barry Jones
289 Posted 03/03/2023 at 15:27:06
When you look at front six, you can see why we don't score. Gana, Doucoure, Onana, Iwobi, Maupay and McNeil. Its not just about which one of these will score a goal (the likely answer being nobody) but its more about who can provide an assist. With the exception of McNeil, the answer is nobody, once more. The clubs that are struggling around us have more creative options than we do.
Sam Hoare
290 Posted 03/03/2023 at 16:37:33
Just here for your daily reminder that Iwobi has as many assists as the whole rest of the team put together.

He's about the only player in our team who is regularly creating chances (whilst covering every blade of grass) and yet many on here seem to see as public enemy number 1 because he's 'useless'?! Who exactly do you think is a better creator in our squad?! It's not like we have De Bruyne and Odegaard waiting to replace him.

Take him out of the team and we go from creating little to creating almost nothing.

Ray Robinson
291 Posted 03/03/2023 at 16:52:58
Sam, accepting the stats about Iwobi, how many (if any) of the assists come from corners? Is it possible that he got an “assist” for Coleman’s wonder goal when truly Coleman made that goal all by himself. I’m rather sceptical because, one or two exceptions apart (McNeil’s goal against Palace), I don’t see him as a very creative player. McNeil looks far more creative to me.
Tony Abrahams
292 Posted 03/03/2023 at 16:58:47
The bit that gets me is when you say he covers every blade of grass Sam. Some players run for running’s sake imo, and would sooner do five doggies, than go and put a tackle in.

Iwobi is this type of player, and for someone who covers every blade of grass, then it would be nice to see him demanding the ball and demanding the same effort out of his teammates.

It’s hard for every single Everton player right now though because although the manager has given us a better shape and more discipline (I think? I haven’t watched our last two games) but when you haven’t got anyone up front who can run the Chanel’s, or keep hold of the ball, then football suddenly becomes the hardest game in the world.

We haven’t got much at the minute, but you need players who will fight for their teammates right now, and this isn’t something Iwobi, or Onana do enough of, imo. Iwobi works harder, I wish Onana, had the same desire to run as Alex, but Onana can throw a tackle in, although he his playing in patches, and this makes the game harder for everyone else.

We are a very limited team without DCL, but if we can get a very fit DCL, (am I asking for miracle?) then I think we can still win enough games. We will find out soon enough, but it is getting very critical now.

Graham Hammond
293 Posted 03/03/2023 at 17:02:04
In my opinion, Iwobi is our best player and even perhaps our most consistent player too. when used correctly! He simply has to play down the middle of the team and with movement ahead of him he does well. As Sam Hoare rightly says, our most creative player by far. Alex works well with Gray, it is just that Gray rarely gets significant game time. If Dyche continues to sideline our biggest goal threat and push our most creative player to the flanks to operate as a wing-back is it really any wonder we are toothless shite?
Christopher Timmins
294 Posted 03/03/2023 at 17:08:03
Tony # 292

On top of everything else it's not an automatic that DCL will hit the ground running when he does return. He has missed so much football over the past two seasons that it may take him a number of games to regain his sharpness. With only 13 games to go we might be very lucky to get the real DCL for 7 or 8 of those games.

Sam Hoare
295 Posted 03/03/2023 at 17:29:49
Ray@291, yes Iwobi would definitely have got an assist for Coleman goal and rightly so ( it was a good pass even though obviously it was Coleman who did the hard work).

Iwobi may not be the type to play wonder passes but he does play a lot of forward passes into space and into players feet in the box. Not worldbeating stuff perhaps but we have few (no) other players who do it consistently.

Sam Hoare
296 Posted 03/03/2023 at 17:32:36
Tony@292, he may not have the confidence of other players but given how many lazy and immobile players we've had in the recent past I think he deserves at least a modicum of credit for putting the effort in every week (even if his running sometimes/often comes to naught).
Tony Hill
297 Posted 03/03/2023 at 17:34:30
Save your breath, Sam @295. No-one's paying attention to any subtleties.

It's a time for shouting mindlessly into the void.

Christine Foster
298 Posted 03/03/2023 at 17:35:56
I think there is an elephant in the room, one that everyone seems to ignore. We all want DCL back in the team, in fact we are desperate for him to be playing at his best. But despite lay offs, different training etc, he never seems to be ready.
We know he has struggled with mental issues in the past, so what if the current situation is more psychological than physiological? Is it more of a crisis of confidence he cannot overcome? Is it a case of chicken or egg, which comes first, physical frame or frame of mind?
Whatever it is, I hope he is getting the best support in getting back on the pitch scoring goals, because we are crap without him..
Tony Everan
299 Posted 03/03/2023 at 17:41:11
Iwobi has made 108 PL appearances and scored 5 goals for Everton. This season he has played 25 games and scored 1 goal.

Sam is right to point out he has made six assists in those 25 games. Way more than any other player, so on this measure maybe it’s not Iwobi who deserves the criticism!

That doesn’t absolve Iwobi from any criticism. For me he doesn’t close down or press properly, he always ‘allows’ the opposition player to play. He stops and closes the space to an extent so allowing the opponent to always control and make a pass to a teammate under little pressure. Teams and players must love playing against players like Iwobi , no fear, a guaranteed source of increased midfield possession for the opponent.

So he’s a double edged sword of a player, we need his creativity but the last thing we need is loose, fearful pressing. Pressing is a team effort, one weak link and it starts to suffer.

At the moment the dearth of creativity in the side means I don’t think we have much choice but to play him, and try some more to coach some aggression into his defensive work. The alternative solutions are debatable.

Barry Hesketh
300 Posted 03/03/2023 at 17:45:33
I wonder if Iwobi, if he didn't quite try so hard i.e. expending so much energy on mostly forlorn running to make tackles etc if he could become one of those players who could make little runs to find a yard of space and then use his abilities to make more of those defence splitting passes that he is very capable of. Sometimes less is more, part of Iwobi's problem is too much running and not enough thinking, that's true of most of this current team, it's what sets the likes of James and mere mortals apart, the old adage 'let the ball do the work' still applies in the modern game.

Tony Abrahams
301 Posted 03/03/2023 at 17:57:11
It’s football, it’s a game of opinion, but anyone who would constantly sooner run 60 yards rather than put a tackle in, won’t get any credit from me for working hard Sam.

I would never expect anyone to just go and kick players, but when you seen him slide short enabling Orgregard, to take the piss the other night, then this is the perfect example of watching a player who is terrified of getting hurt?

Will Mabon
302 Posted 03/03/2023 at 17:57:47
Tony, the way things are going, should Iwobi put in a full hard tackle, you just know he'll get a freak injury and be out for weeks.

In relative terms, I think he's doing OK. He moves well and he creates a lot of space, he knows where to be. Some of his passing is very good. He doesn't have a lot to work with up front,

Interesting that in the 40 minutes before we fell apart at Arsenal, they paid him quite a bit of attention.

Will Mabon
303 Posted 03/03/2023 at 18:00:14
Tony, can't disagree with that - Iwobi is just not an aggressive player in that regard.
Christine Foster
304 Posted 03/03/2023 at 18:04:13
Everyone bangs on, rightly I might add, about the need for a striker of quality whilst DCL is out, but for me, as Barry says, it's been the gaping hole that's never been replaced that just as big an issue. A creative no.10., James or Siggy, decried both for being lazy, yet Iwobi who reminds me of Forrest Gump, gets more leeway because he is like the Duracell Bunny.. it's quality not quantity we lack, that creativity came at a cost, yet they are easy targets because they don't cover every blade of grass, they are moment players, they provide moments of class that create the goals or lift the team and fans. We need their class bur too often we want rid because they are not working hard enough.
Today we have no class, no quality, no goals, no creativity. We argued for effort over creativity, today the realisation is that effort is not enough.
It will be great to get DCL back, but I hope more than ever we have the creativity to provide the openings for him. It's just another brick in the wall.
Ray Robinson
305 Posted 03/03/2023 at 18:15:46
Sam #295, if Iwobi’s fairly “routine” pass to Coleman before he scored that wonder goal constitutes an assist, then I’m even less convinced of the merits of the statistic

Just seen Firminho’s stats for Liverpool. According to the BBC:

He has made 353 appearances for Liverpool, scoring 107 goals and providing 70 assists.

There’s a creative player who also knows how to score.

Personally, I’d rather have Gray playing rather than Iwobi but, if, as it seems, Iwobi really is our most creative player, then perhaps we need to play both.

Kim Vivian
307 Posted 03/03/2023 at 18:45:34
Whilst hoping and praying along with everyone that DCL can come back and perform like Ferenc Puskas reincarnate and add a sackful of goals to his 5 (57th= highest goalscorer) from last year (and one less than Gray), and his 1 from this year thus contributing to a miraculous survival in the PL this season, I am not optimistic that... a) we will actually see much of him, and... b) Even if we do, will he provide those goals we need.

The prime objective right now is finding a formula that produces goals from what we have, Garner may (or may not) provide a creative boost, Townsend would be nice to see back but would there not be some merit in getting Iwobi back into his preferred central position playing behind Maupay - who allegedly thrives better on balls through into his feet - with Simms alongside so Maupay is less isolated, and Gray/McNeil on the left and right so they can cut inside and shoot or ping crosses in. 2 of Garner, Onana, Doucourie, Davies, Gana making up the midfield 5 and the 3 defenders from the usual suspects.

Or have we already tried something similar? Dyche must be clutching at straws trying to come up with something.

Reverting back to my original point, I am sceptical about the reliance on DCL as a saviour.

Dave Abrahams
308 Posted 03/03/2023 at 18:51:36
Ray (305) Ray don’t laugh but another assist was in the 1-4 defeat at home, our goal was a penalty!! Iwobi must have the pass to the fella who was brought down or maybe got brought down himself, either way it was officially classed as an assist.
Tony Hill
309 Posted 03/03/2023 at 18:52:18
Tony @301 and Will @303, the mistake is to think that Iwobi is, or should be, a "tackler" whatever that means. He is being damned for not being good at what he's not good at. It's equivalent to blaming Maupay for not winning headers from goalkicks and random defence punts. Iwobi is one of our whipping boys along with Davies – it makes things nice and simple for the simpletons.

We're in dire straits and some halfwits on here think we should dispose of the man who has contributed the most assists for the team. It's embarrassing, it really is. The same brainless megaphones time after time, moaning and secretly relishing our plight in some weird, masochistic way.

Such names on here are the enemy because, privately (and for thrills), they crave our death.

Get a fucking spine, you dickheads (I absolve, for the avoidance of doubt, Tony and Will. They understand).

Mr Freud would diagnose us: we give no more Thanatos.

Mark Ryan
310 Posted 03/03/2023 at 18:56:17
Bizarrely Gray would he the second name on the sheet for me behind Jordan. He's the only outfield player fir ne who ever looks a genuine threat. For me he has to start games
Tony Hill
311 Posted 03/03/2023 at 19:03:34
PS, Iwobi has been frequently played out of position, as others have noted and as anyone moderately acquainted with football intelligence can note.

He has big faults does Mr Iwobi but the level of insight on here is appalling.

Graham Hammond
312 Posted 03/03/2023 at 19:07:08
Tony @ 301, I think Iwobi got it absolutely right the other night by holding back on Odegaard and not going through the man, he could very easily have been sent off on a straight red card if he had done and the squad is already devoid of depth, particularly with regards to the Midfield and the attacking options.

Yes, Odegaard took the piss a bit but nothing was actually lost in the grand scheme of things, it was horror defending by Mykolenko and a brain fart by Gana that destroyed the game for us.

Iwobi is available for the massive game at Forest and I am grateful that he is! As Will rightly pointed out, Iwobi does not have much to work with upfront, that is an understatement of the highest order!

Iwobi likes to release the ball quickly and speedily to a player in space, all too often these options are simply not there which is usually why possession is lost. This is Everton sadly and not Arsenal – supporting players at the Arse actually move and find space!

Ray Robinson
313 Posted 03/03/2023 at 19:08:50
Dave #308, two thirds of the crowd won’t know what you’re talking about as the ground was nearly empty at the time. Getting brought down by the goalie when you should’ve scored also constitutes an assist, does it?

Tony #309, not sure if I’m one of the “dickheads” or “halfwits” that you’re talking about but it’s surely not too much to expect that Iwobi, having run half way across the pitch to confront a player with the ball, then puts a proper challenge in. Nobody expects him to play like Gueye.

Dave Abrahams
314 Posted 03/03/2023 at 19:11:35
Tony (309), Nobody could ever make the mistake of thinking Iwobi is a tackler, a tackler is somebody who takes the ball off an opponent who tries to go past him, Iwobi makes a point of keeping out of the way of those situations.

I would politely describe him as nesh, remember the Man. Unt. cup game, he was carried off in tears with his head in his hands, fans were worrying how long he would be out with this horrible injury, he never missed a game he made a miraculous recovery from a sprained ankle!!

Christy Ring
315 Posted 03/03/2023 at 19:15:30
I'm fed up of reading every week about Iwobi having more assists than the whole team put together. The last 5 games he's played since Dyche took over, he's running around chasing shadows, (taken off against Villa), and the opposition full back is an attacking threat. The straight forward pass to Coleman, you can call it an assist, was a wonder goal by Coleman. The problem with Iwobi, when he gets the ball, it's like a hot potato, he can't wait to get rid of it. I've never seen him win a 50/50 ball. It's blood, sweat and tears we need now, and he definitely won't offer that.
Tony Hill
317 Posted 03/03/2023 at 19:26:10
Dave @314,

I don't think Iwobi is a fine footballer but we must be realistic. We are facing oblivion and we are picking holes in our most inventive man because he isn't all he might be if he were a different player.

I admire and greatly respect your views, Dave, but the football you and I knew, and desire, is not on offer. You're an astute man and you must know that Iwobi is a creator to be played centrally. He is not a ball winner.

We need to survive so that we may see what you and I want to see again. I say this with proper acknowledgment of your seniority and wisdom on here: you are missing the point about Iwobi, as are many others.

Barry Hesketh
318 Posted 03/03/2023 at 19:26:30
I won't embarrass the person who said this, but he's certainly not one of The same brainless megaphones time after time, moaning and secretly relishing our plight in some weird, masochistic way.

But he does often get quoted on the click-bait sites, someone should give him a calendar as Easter Sunday is on the 9th of April this year, so it's difficult to see how we could be relegated by that point in time as there'll still be eight games to play.

“There's some things that could help him, I'm not saying it's going to make everything rosy again, far from it, but he can help himself by tweaking these little things because if he carries on playing this way, Greg, we're down, we could be down before Easter and we have to change it quickly.”

Barry Williams
319 Posted 03/03/2023 at 20:14:42
I did notice the other night that when Gueye did go off - and I know he has made mistakes recently - even more massive wholes appeared in midfield and Arsenal looked like they were in an exhibition game at times - so much time they had on the ball.

That said, it is time to mix things up - the last 4 games - scored 1 conceded 8. Indeed, if the team does defend and attack as a unit, then changes a needed more than just upfront.

Davies as the holder (he is actually quite disciplined in that role), Onana as the 8, Iwobi as the 10 - his best form has been here. Out wide - Gray and Mcneil - or even Maupay out wide - with Sims up top as at least he will provide a physical presence. Full backs - possibly Holgate and Godfrey. Even just for mixing it up, keeping players on their toes and not being too predictable.

But then again, what do I know!?

The old football romantic in me would like to see 2 up front - alas, don't think it will a happen!

Barry Williams
320 Posted 03/03/2023 at 20:16:56
I think Patterson and Garner returning might make things interesting - is Townsend due back at any point soon?

Just an aside. One thing that I liked about the Moyes reign was his insistence that Everton players don't dive - despite Neville's brainfart against Liverpool. When I see an Everton player feign injury - it massively infuriates me and is why I have almost completely switched off from the game - only ever watching Everton when it comes to football. So, was anyone else a little embarrassed by Onana going to the floor (I think it was 3 times) against Arsenal after some tiny contacts with his face? I have seen the 6'5'' colossas Mina do it a few times, was absolutely not a Richarlison fan because of his very very over the top theatrics - and remember vividly the 'Brazilian Peter Reid' looking forlorn at a ref lifting his shorts to show him a bruise!

Maybe it is just me!!!!!

Brian Hennessy
321 Posted 03/03/2023 at 20:44:12
It's true that Tom Davies misses quite a few chances but I can't help thinking that he gets himself into goal scoring positions much more often than many of our other midfielders.

Gana deserved to be taken off but we looked even worse with Holgate so if Sean Dyche decides to keep Gana on the bench again against Forest, for me Davies is the best option to replace him.

I would love to see Mina paired with Tarkowski. Mina is the best defender we have at the club when fit. He is available now so play him until he gets injured.

Gray simply has to play but judging on the way Dyche was talking in his press conference today, I think Maupay will start again. Sean again put out this strange way of thinking that the longer Maupay goes without scoring, that statistically he will score sometime. You could say that about any player, good or bad

Dave Abrahams
322 Posted 03/03/2023 at 20:44:19
Tony (317), I think all Evertonians, everywhere,those who go to the game, those who can’t make it, those who can’t afford it are all desperate to see Everton escape the bottom three places and we need every type of player in the squad to give 100% in each game to achieve this aim.

Honestly Tony although Iwobi has some good points he disappoints in every game with his lack of fight, out wide may not be the position he prefers but he has to do the best he can wherever he plays, he just doesn’t do it, against Leeds and Villa he never once tried to go past the full back and then look up and get a centre past the first man, he never runs back with any conviction to try and stop the opposition.

When he plays in his best position he leaves big gaps which are exploited to a large degree, and I think we need ball winners especially in the centre of the field where games are won with tackles and players who can use the ball well, I don’t think he has made the seven assists he is credited with but I’ll go along with them, even so Tony seven assists from the twenty games Iwobi has played there is not a lot to be proud of when he is the prime schemer.

We don’t have a great midfield to choose from and he isn’t helped by others in that position but he has to seriously work a lot more than he does for him to make his own space to use that skill.

I think we are all getting depressed and frustrated by the position we are in wish we were safe already and obviously all have different ideas of who and where players should play, I would love Alex Iwobi to play, on Sunday, where you want him to play get some assists which come off and even score one himself and I would join in the praise like I think we all would, maybe he will. Best wishes Tony for you, me and Everton on Sunday.

Tony Abrahams
323 Posted 03/03/2023 at 21:00:00
Without getting involved in arguments that don’t really matter Graeme H, I thought it was Odegaard, who got it right, by reading the situation, and was possibly helped by knowing his opponent, and realizing, he wasn’t really interested in making a proper hard fair and genuine tackle.
Kieran Kinsella
325 Posted 03/03/2023 at 21:15:50
Eddie earlier in the thread said selection should be a meritocracy. The Iwobi and Gana debates prove it is in fact a demeritocracy. It's not a matter of anyone earning a spot based on good things they do. It's simply a matter of excluding those who do the most bad things (e.g. miss goals, give away pens, free kicks, stray passes, fake tackles, being slow and weak while our hopes Whittle away). Iwobi is one of the least crap options for midfield. Gana has now dropped down to where he is arguably the crappest or at least joint crappest option. Onana is marginally less crap at this point in his career but could get better. Gray is probably the least crap overall but is still pretty crap.
Tony Hill
326 Posted 03/03/2023 at 21:25:00
Dave @ 322, we disagree on shades of emphasis but not on things that matter, mate.

Best wishes to you too and to our old team, of course.

Graham Hammond
327 Posted 03/03/2023 at 21:42:56
Tony, all water under the bridge now, and maybe you are right, Alex Iwobi may not have ever been interested in making a committed and full-blooded tackle. I simply felt that he was going to arrive late on the Arsenal man and that looking at the big picture and how referees treat us, Alex Iwobi could very easily have walked and been red-carded for being late.

I saw that Onana was deliberately smacked in the gob, nothing, not even a yellow, but we have come to expect nothing to be given in our favour, hence my initial worry with Iwobi when about to go in on Odegaard. I always felt the Arsenal lad was gonna be first to it and favourite to win it that was all.

Tony Abrahams
328 Posted 03/03/2023 at 22:07:43
Fair enough, Graeme, out of all the referees, I personally believe it's Michael Oliver who has really got it in for Everton, even more than some of the rest, and I will never forget some of the decisions he gave against us towards the end of last season.

Oliver gets questioned the least because he's allegedly the best referee, but it's easy to spot when someone is not being fair and treating both teams equally, imo, and that's why I always view this referee with suspicion.

Andy Crooks
329 Posted 03/03/2023 at 22:09:30
Gana made a howler. He should be the first name on Sunday because there is no one to replace him.

Also, he is a good enough player to be angry at his mistakes and to play a blinder on Sunday. Dyche slapped him in the hope that on Sunday, Gana will slap him back. He will, we will win.

Andy Crooks
330 Posted 03/03/2023 at 22:35:08
Iwobi is our best creative player, we have a better chance if scoring when he plays.

He doesn't make tackles because he can't. He runs along side opponents and, probably, irritates them in a minor ‘getting in the way' sort of thing. For that and just that, he is a veritable Hercules in our team.

He must start on Sunday and in every game. No, he is not my favourite player, could any blue, with even the slightest retention of their marbles, have a favourite among this fucking lot, but… Iwobi is our Pele.

Stuart Sharp
331 Posted 03/03/2023 at 22:45:01
'Iwobi is our Pele'?

This must be one of the maddest things I've ever read on what is generally quite a mad website. I kind of get the basic point, but still... crazy times. Personally, I'd play him centrally or not at all, though I sort of see the alternative view.

As for Gana, if it was a one-off brainfart, I'd say fine pick him again. But he has brainfarts regularly and makes dangerously bad passes several times a game. He scares the hell out of me.

Danny Baily
332 Posted 03/03/2023 at 22:56:46
Andy, Gana is full of mistakes. Every game seemingly.
Mike Price
333 Posted 03/03/2023 at 23:21:35
We are so starved of anything decent people are getting distorted views of what constitutes good or even barely acceptable.

I doubt you could give Iwobi away, no one is interested in him. We would have to subsidise his wages to get rid of him. If only we'd have paid the extra £15 million to get Zaha.
Don Alexander
334 Posted 03/03/2023 at 23:22:22
Dazza (#249), your personal denigration of critics of Tom Davies, who you two or three weeks ago said was "not a very good player, and I'm not a fan of his", is as bizarre a stance as a sober man can make.

Two or three weeks ago when you were defending your "not very good player" you commented that you'd "had too much" and had therefore walked home from the ground (which maybe causes folk other than me to question the validity of your polar-opposite postings).

Maybe you should seek a little help from that eminently worthy group, AA.

And, for the avoidance of doubt, I'm referring to "Arseholes Anonymous".

Where you agree with me (when you're not on a "Carlo-alone-caused-all-our-woes" rant - again very recently posted by you) on the huge incompetence/self-serving fecklessness of Kenwright in destroying our club, it should surely follow in a sober mind that criticism of players contracted for years under his aegis is seriously missing the point. They're in it for themselves, period, as is he bizarrely.

A bit like any dickhead TW poster doing his own thing regardless of the criticism he draws for years from fellow Toffees don't you think?

Mike Doyle
337 Posted 03/03/2023 at 23:40:50
Nice to see our former striker
Apostolis Vellios score 4 for his current club Zwolle tonight. Still only 31 too. Reminds me of the days when the club thought it a good idea to have a couple of strikers in the squad.
Tony Hill
338 Posted 03/03/2023 at 23:42:34
Thanks, Laurie @335 - eloquently put, you must be living in Australia or somewhere like that. You're not paying attention to those who only come on here when we lose, and who keep banging on about how we're doomed. That would be a significant number, and they love it.

But do carry on.

Tony Hill
339 Posted 03/03/2023 at 23:49:30
Yes, I see that, Mike @333. Iwobi is shite and we should drop him and sell him. Along, no doubt, with various others.

Just the thinking we need. Sometimes the tabloid dimness on here makes me think we deserve the drop.

Dave Lynch
340 Posted 03/03/2023 at 00:01:03
Fuck me Iwobi is to blame for everything now!

Some people just do not get it.

We are constantly chasing games because we don't have a goal in us.

As soon as we go a goal down anxiety sets in, we start chasing the game and stupid mistakes creep in, we're never in a position where we can relax and play decent measured football.

We lose our shape, composure and belief, we're an accident waiting to happen and in invariably does.

Brendan McLaughlin
341 Posted 03/03/2023 at 00:01:55
Tony #338

"That would be a significant number, and they love it."

Going out on a limb here but I really doubt you'd be able to name a significant number of names.

Don Alexander
342 Posted 03/03/2023 at 00:03:35
Like others of us in their 60's and beyond I'm mystified by players who openly display their plain-as-day inadequacies on the pitch and yet get selected week-in & week-out. Iwobi, amongst numerous others, being a case in point. It's been going on for yonks.

He very rarely tries to score, he rarely creates a chance (and "assists" in this day and age can be the ball bouncing off you last), he hardly ever makes a tackle despite running up and down the whole game, and he's weak in the air.

And yet I also have to agree that there's way worse than him in our squad.

Wonder who sanctioned this circumstance!

Tony Hill
343 Posted 04/03/2023 at 00:31:19
Gosh, Brendan @341, scroll back on the match day threads. You must be quite new on here.

This is a site which is famously/notoriously attractive to "Everton Das": grumpy, ranting old fuckers for whom nothing has been right since at the latest 1970.

I'm naming no names - not least because I'm one of them and I'd rather remain anonymous.

Hope you understand.

Laurie Hartley
344 Posted 04/03/2023 at 01:01:20
Tony # 338 - "But do carry on". OK - keep digging, you might end up in my lounge room.
Steve Brown
345 Posted 04/03/2023 at 01:02:35
Iwobi will play every game this season, because fortunately successive managers recognise his value even if some fans don’t.

It’s not a high bar, but he is easily our most creative player, creates goals and has an amazing engine on him. Frankly, I don’t want him in dropping deep into midfield to make thundering tackles. He will have most impact higher up the field close to the striker.

We have a whole squad of complete donkeys to run around and tackle everything that moves. Not that they are even very good at that!

Steve Brown
346 Posted 04/03/2023 at 01:08:41
Kieran, that’s a good shout.

We should introduce a crapometer to assess players’ performances rather than a score out of ten. What shade of crap was each player this week?

Kieran Kinsella
349 Posted 04/03/2023 at 02:53:53

I think right now most of them are a very yellow watery color that you keep thinking is finished but then another round of crap comes.

Dave Abrahams
354 Posted 04/03/2023 at 10:02:31
Tony (326),

Yes, getting out of this mess is all that counts while the debates on the merits of the players can go round in circles and get us nowhere, unless one or two of them turn our fortunes around and prove some of us wrong. I'd really love to be one of those proved wrong.

Thanks for your reply, Tony. I went to bed early with a good book, to take my mind off the Blues and have just seen your post now. I hope everyone is in a better mood tomorrow afternoon with a good result.

Raymond Fox
355 Posted 04/03/2023 at 11:03:12
Come on guys, I think the criticism of Iwobi is a bit over the top, if he was better in some areas of his game he probably wouldn't be playing for us.

Dyche has been lumbered with a squad that is borderline Premier League standard, if he drops Iwobi who is there better and this applies to most positions in the team.

I'm clinging to the hope that DCL can get fit and stay fit to give us a much needed threat in attack. Its an outside chance I know, but if we keep putting out the same toothless team every week we will keep getting the same results.

Stuart Sharp
356 Posted 04/03/2023 at 11:19:53
Yes Raymond, the criticism of Iwobi does go OTT, but not as OTT as the criticism of each other. Unbelievable what the keyboard warriors are happy to say about people they don't know.

Match day must be getting close. I'm feeling that first trickle of inexplicable optimism.

Andy Crooks
357 Posted 04/03/2023 at 22:48:39
Stuart, "Iwobi is our Pele" was a sort of comment on how bereft of talent we are.
Stuart Sharp
358 Posted 04/03/2023 at 00:00:31
I know Andy. Wasn't really criticising you as such, more just commenting on how mad everything has become that such a line could be written in any context. Let's hope our 'assist king' does the business tomorrow.

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