Calvert-Lewin 'making very good progress' towards fitness

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Dominic Calvert-Lewin is back training on grass but has yet to rejoin the rest of the first team at Finch Farm, suggesting that he won't be available for Monday's clash with Tottenham Hotspur.

The striker has not played since starting Sean Dyche's first game in charge against Arsenal early last month due to a hamstring problem. The manager and the club's coaching and medical staff have been taking a holistic look at his health and lifestyle to try and nail down the reason for his succession of niggles, the latest of which is preventing him from returning to full training.

He has appeared close to making a return at times over the past two months but the fact that he is still working individually on his own bespoke programme suggests that Monday's game will come too soon for him.

That's because of a fresh, minor complaint alluded to by Dyche during his press conference today where the manager nevertheless expressed his satisfaction with the 26-year-old's overall progress. 

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"He hasn't trained with the group but is back on the grass again," Dyche said of Calvert-Lewin. "He has been making progress, which is good. He had a slight niggle in a different area but he is making very good progress so we are happy with that."

The Blues have no other injury problems beyond Andros Townsend who remains some way away from his own return. Nathan Patterson could be in contention for a place in the squad now that he has some minutes under his belt for Everton's Under-21s and the Scotland national team over the past week but doesn't seem likely to dislodge Seamus Coleman at right back given Dyche's comments today.

"He's still a young player, developing," the manager said. "There is still more to come from him but he got injured pretty quickly. He's now over that, which is good. 

"He has played a bit earlier in the season here, so there is a lot of development in him but he is going about it the right way now he is fit."


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John Pickles
1 Posted 30/03/2023 at 14:35:23
Well I don't have the money to buy a Ferrari, and I have less money this week than I had last week, but I can express my satisfaction with the Ferrari purchase's overall progress.
Mark Andrews
2 Posted 30/03/2023 at 14:45:38
Next week, Calvert Lewin will be unavailable because of bed sores from the treatment table and a badly twisted sock.
Christopher Timmins
3 Posted 30/03/2023 at 14:46:03
With just 10 games to go and with Dominic not training with the rest of the squad I reckon he will now play a minimal role in our fight to avoid the drop. The best we can hope for is that he is up to speed for the last 5 games or so.

Let's tear into Spurs on Monday and move three points closer to safety.

Len Hawkins
4 Posted 30/03/2023 at 14:51:13
Word on the street is Darren Anderton could be fit for Tottingham.
Paul Hetherington
5 Posted 30/03/2023 at 14:57:06
Personally think there has to be a mental health thing in there somewhere.

Him having a blue butterfly as his personal motif suggests to me that something about "metamorphosis" and "emergence" holds special meaning to him. Suggests he's either been through trouble to get where he is, or thinks he'll have to to get where he's going.

Good luck to him either way, but I don't think Dyche will be the man to sort it out. I'm a huge fan of Dyche and he's definitely the man for us, but it sticks in my mind re:DCL that Patrick Bamford basically stated that he was ostracised by Dyche for being "too close to his parents" and felt like it was a class thing. I can't see him feeling like he's got time to indulge and mend DCL in the way that's needed, in the situation we're in.

Hopefully onward and upward for Everton, and onward and outward for DCL.

John Keating
6 Posted 30/03/2023 at 15:11:40
I agree with Paul.
Sounds to me it's more mental than physical.
We need to just put DCL to the side and concentrate on those players who are up for the fight right now. If DCL can get himself together before the end of the season then he might be worth a shot but right now

There have been a number of players at Clubs over the years that have had issues with "injuries" that have curtailed their season I think DCL is just the latest in that list.
It's a great pity as I believe a couple of seasons ago he had a great opportunity to establish himself as not only our main man but also England's back up to Kane.

He's still only 26 and maybe he'll come good sometime or somewhere else in the future but right now we don't have the luxury to think about him helping us out of the shite we're in

Mark Andrews
7 Posted 30/03/2023 at 15:17:53
The year is 2043:

* Poverty and world hunger is cured.
* Mankind opens its first settlement on Mars.
* Boris Johnson finally tells the truth.
* The Lord Lucan mystery is finally solved.
* Calvert-Lewin is 2 weeks away from stepping up training.

I know, that's unlikely.

Alan McGuffog
8 Posted 30/03/2023 at 15:38:26
I know it can calm you down and has a number of beneficial effects but should he really be training on grass ?
Steve Shave
9 Posted 30/03/2023 at 15:46:05
Paul and John (posts 5 & 6) yes it has been widely speculated on here and somewhat confirmed by DCL himself that mental health struggles have played a part in all this.

ToffeeWeb must have posted a similar stories like this one on multiple occasions over the past few years regarding DCL being "back in training" or "ready to fire the blues up the table" etc etc.

This is just an invitation for everyone to take the piss out of him or knock him in some way, our "fans" love knocking the players don't they, it gives them a little sense of control over everything else "Everton" feels totally out of control. I can't help but wonder what this process does for DCL's mental health? It all feels so cyclical.

I for one am desperate for him to return and hit some semblance of form. I hope for us as a team, I hope for the fans and I hope for Dom himself. A run of games and a few goals would no doubt do his confidence the world of good.

Paul Kossoff
10 Posted 30/03/2023 at 15:50:56
Tell him he can go at the seasons end and his contract will be terminated. See how quickly he gets fit. He's taking the piss and needs to go and sign for a non league side. Less pressure for the delicate fashion guru.
Please God we stay up and he's replaced next season. Sturridge school of sick notes. Awaits tirade of abuse from the DLC appreciation society of which I have just cancelled my subscription. Bring back Brett Angel. 😀
David West
11 Posted 30/03/2023 at 15:56:04
Mental health shouldn't stop him from training. Yes If he's having issues I'm all for pulling him out the firing line.
Not training would surely be worse for his mental health?
Getting him back fit, playing and scoring will be the greatest boost to his mental health.
I just think it's going to be tight for him to get back and up to match fitness now with time running out this season.
Alan J Thompson
12 Posted 30/03/2023 at 16:00:53
Good to see so many medical types contributing.
Paul Kossoff
13 Posted 30/03/2023 at 16:07:32
David 11, You are correct.
Exposure to long-term stress can be toxic to multiple systems in the body, even leading to medical concerns like high blood pressure and a weakened immune system, along with mental illnesses like anxiety and depression.

It may seem counterintuitive that exercise, a form of physical stress, can help the body manage general stress levels. But the right kind of stress can actually make the body more resilient. Research shows that while exercise initially spikes the stress response in the body, people experience lower levels of stress hormones like cortisol and epinephrine after bouts of physical activity.

So far, there's little evidence for the popular theory that exercise causes a rush of endorphins. Rather, one line of research points to the less familiar neuromodulator norepinephrine, which may help the brain deal with stress more efficiently. Research in animals since the late 1980s has found that exercise increases brain concentrations of norepinephrine in brain regions involved in the body's stress response.

Norepinephrine is particularly interesting to researchers because 50% of the brain's supply is produced in the locus coeruleus, a brain area that connects most of the brain regions involved in emotional and stress responses. The chemical is thought to play a major role in modulating the action of other, more prevalent neurotransmitters that play a direct role in the stress response.

Tony Everan
14 Posted 30/03/2023 at 16:24:01
There’s no greater thing in this world than being an Everton no9, fit and banging in goals. I am sure Dominic Calvert-Lewin thinks this too. Whatever his issues, and it’s probably a combination of things, I wish him the best and speedy recovery. I can’t wait to see him back in the blue shirt, scoring goals and enjoying his football.
Tony Abrahams
15 Posted 30/03/2023 at 16:26:32
Hard to take all this in Paul, but I’ve been thinking for quite a while that you could get rid of at least 50% of what people claim to be mental health, if you could just get people working harder, and used to physically exerting themselves?

I might be wrong, but I believe hard physical work, definitely toughens people up, and this can then become a tool that is then used throughout their life, whenever things get tough.

I agree with Tony, and I’m also convinced that when Dominic eventually returns he will become a massive player for us in the future. Let’s hope so

Robert Tressell
16 Posted 30/03/2023 at 16:31:52
I'm no doctor but I'm pretty sure a hamstring injury is not a mental health issue. Michael Owen, Ousmane Dembele and countless others have been similarly cursed - often by playing too much when very young and probably not being well conditioned.

We don't know what the other niggle is. But hopefully it is soon resolved and we better strength in depth in forward positions instead of this insane overreliance on one person.

Barry Hesketh
17 Posted 30/03/2023 at 16:47:01
With only nine games left following the clash with Spurs, unless Dyche is being economical with the truth, I can't see Dominic featuring in any of the remaining matches, which is bad for him and not too good for the club. It's beginning to look like the seriousness of his condition is perhaps, being underplayed, but whatever the reason, I'm sure that Dyche given the circumstances we find ourselves in, on this occasion will be more interested in the 'group; rather than an individual player.
Peter Carpenter
18 Posted 30/03/2023 at 16:52:28
Let's hope he's fit for our first game next season - against Plymouth Argyle.
Andy Crooks
19 Posted 30/03/2023 at 16:52:56
Paul @10, it's bleeding hearts like you that encourage this sort of malingering. Never mind terminating his contract, tell him he'll be publicly hanged at the end of the season. Watch the dosser get fit then!

Peter Carpenter
20 Posted 30/03/2023 at 16:54:20
Mark (7), the third item on your list is ridiculous.
Dean Williams
22 Posted 30/03/2023 at 17:08:58
He's a tart it's as simple as that. The fookin drama queens in today's society make me sick, Not a days graft in them. What happened to the days of being a man's man, fighting for your job and your family? Bloody snow flake.
Barry Rathbone
23 Posted 30/03/2023 at 17:09:31
Wonder if he''ll go down the route Snides has of blaming the fans when he goes. Says we have form and did the same with Gomes.

Bill Gall
25 Posted 30/03/2023 at 17:28:05
after all the time he has been out I think he should be on something stronger than grass.
Phil McKeown
26 Posted 30/03/2023 at 17:28:47
"There are certain players, that I believe – and it's easy for me to say as a former owner and it might be seen as slightly disrespectful – quite like being injured, or are quite happy to be injured, and quite comfortable with being injured,” Simon Jordan said on talkSPORT.

“There's a psychological approach to overcoming adversity, and I'm not sure that Dominic Calvert-Lewin isn't one of those players. Maybe not quite likes, but is quite accepting of being injured, rather than pushing back and saying, ‘I'll overcome this adversity, I'm going to make sure.'

“Because psychologically, people can be injured in their minds as much as they can be physically injured. And so when someone gets a tweak or an injury, they don't want to overcome it, they want to succumb to it.”

John Keating
27 Posted 30/03/2023 at 17:40:26
Usually I find Simon Jordan a right prick, however, he might not be far off with those comments
Barry Hesketh
28 Posted 30/03/2023 at 17:49:49
Come on people, the player may well be less than confident about returning to the fray, it's obvious, the manager and coaching staff aren't pushing him to make a return before he's ready, but at the end of the day, he's a footballer at an age where he should be hitting his peak years as a player.

If he remains out of the game for the rest of this season and isn't playing early next season, his career will plummet, as no serious club would gamble the transfer fee on him. He has another couple of years left on his contract, so unless his injuries are career threatening he'll be an Everton player for some considerable time and I would have thought deserving of our support.

Even if I thought - which I don't - to say some of the comments made by others on this thread, I'd think twice about saying them to a 6'2" lad from Sheffield face-to-face.

Paul Kossoff
29 Posted 30/03/2023 at 17:50:57
Andy 19, I am trying to understand how my post makes me, one, a bleeding heart, and two encourages malingering in a over hyped over paid DLC? Surely if it wasn't for our financial situation DLC would have been shown the door. I've never rated DlC, and he was a cheaper option to replacing Lukaku, which we are still paying for in not replacing him.

Dean, Barry, Tony and Phil, well said and ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ to the truth sayers😀

Michael Lynch
30 Posted 30/03/2023 at 17:54:34
He has a long career ahead of him and I don’t blame him if he doesn’t want to blow it by playing while not fully fit. Obviously that’s bad news for us and, like others have said, he’s probably not Dyche’s idea of a centre forward.

Assuming Dyche is still in charge next season, he may well want to trade DCL in for a sturdier player, which I think is a shame unless that sturdier player is Erling Haaland.

Brian Wilkinson
31 Posted 30/03/2023 at 17:55:04
I have mentioned it many times before and will again for all the experts who think it is in his head.

If you have a spare ten minutes, you really should have a look up on Paul Bracewell and how even the Everton physio said it was in his head, before specialists in America found the real cause.

The Everton physio wrote what the response would be, and gave it to Paul Bracewell in a sealed envelope what the drs would find.

When Bracewell opened the envelope after finding the problem in America, our physio wrote just two words, f a, I will not type the two swear words in full.

If anyone knows how to add the full article on here, would be a very good read for Evertonians who have not read the full article on Bracewell.

Christy Ring
32 Posted 30/03/2023 at 18:00:14
Dean#22 Where did you get your Psychology degree, I’d say your waiting room is fairly empty
Neil Lawson
33 Posted 30/03/2023 at 18:00:55
Hoping the first game next season isn't against Plymuff. Not because they should be in the Championship next year but because they are only down the road for me and I will be away from Devon on that Saturday!
I think the cunning plan is to have DCL fit for the final game and to bring him on as a late sub to convert a Coleman cross and save us at the death. Cue pitch invasion and a huge fine and points deduction!!
Dave Abrahams
34 Posted 30/03/2023 at 18:06:10
Phil (26) I know you were a former footballer with Celtic, Blackpool and Portadown who were you owner of? Was it connected to football?
Gavin McGarvey
35 Posted 30/03/2023 at 18:10:01
Brian Wilkinson
36 Posted 30/03/2023 at 18:16:48
Brilliant Gavin, that is well worth a read, that was the article I was on about.

Even the Everton players and physio Clinkcard was saying it was in Bracewells head, with only Kendall saying no there is definitely something wrong with him.

Let’s not be judge and jury on Calvert-Lewin, there is clearly something wrong.

As for Bracewell, one of the finest players I saw such a shame he got that horrible injury, very very underrated player.

Geoff Lambert
37 Posted 30/03/2023 at 18:16:49
Christopher #3 the best we can hope for is that Simms starts banging them in and we can send DCL on loan to the championship.
Phil McKeown
38 Posted 30/03/2023 at 18:17:12
Ha, Dave (34) if you look closer, that was a quote from Simon Jordan, not myself. Although a worthy share from someone else who has seen it from the inside.

The only thing I ever owned in the football domain was my choice to play at less than 100% fit because I gave a shit about my team mates, fans and the people who were paying me.

Joe McMahon
39 Posted 30/03/2023 at 18:20:04
When the momentous day comes and he's fully fit, I'm expecting some kind of fully polished re-born cross between Robin Van Persie and Sergio Aguero.

We shall see…

Geoff Lambert
40 Posted 30/03/2023 at 18:21:20

More like a Reliant Robin van...

Shane Corcoran
41 Posted 30/03/2023 at 18:28:13
I heard that Dominic is actually in the Witness Relocation Programme and is feeling the heat from those he snitched on, hence his trip away recently.

You lads are right, it is fun to make stories up.

Paul Kossoff
43 Posted 30/03/2023 at 18:49:21
Paul 5, The lifecycle of butterflies is associated with rebirth, reincarnation, and spiritual awakening.

Some Christians believe the blue butterfly represents the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, which is similar to the Egyptian belief that butterflies represent resurrection.

Brian 31, I think this is the article.

Paul Washington
45 Posted 30/03/2023 at 19:07:04
I used to cycle race around the North-West doing time-trials and road races. One of the blokes on the circuit had raced for years then suddenly couldn't do it, he'd roll up to the start of say a 10-mile TT and not go — a '10' in cycling is a flat out sprint which hurts the rider's system greatly.

He went through this phase for a couple of months then packed racing in completely, he had spent thousands on bike stuff. It shows when the mind doesn't want it anymore — you can't go on.

I hope Calvert-Lewin can return and get over whatever problems he has, it's an awful situation for everyone connected to the club.

Bill Gall
46 Posted 30/03/2023 at 19:15:37
I wonder how long other players who have suffered from the same injury have taken to overcome this particular injury?

I understand that we all dont recover as quickly as others but this particular injury seems to be taking a long time to recover for Calvert-Lewin. Could it have been he was brought back too quickly that made it worse than the previous injury?

Christy Ring
47 Posted 30/03/2023 at 19:16:32
Brian #36,

I agree completely. Bracewell was my favourite player of our brilliant Kendall era. I remember no-one believed him, about the pain he was in, as he found in USA, a floating bone.

The saddest part is that he hadn't even reached his prime, and would have been on the plane to Mexico for the '86 World Cup. His whole future shattered by a cowardly assault by Billy Whitehurst, if I remember correctly.

Nick Armitage
48 Posted 30/03/2023 at 19:19:52
If sports psychologists, physios and doctors who work with Calvert-Lewin can't sort his fitness out, then I doubt ToffeeWeb readers who've never met him can offer any useful insight.
Dave Abrahams
49 Posted 30/03/2023 at 19:25:21
Phil (38),

Yes, my mistake, you had to fight over a few years to even walk again, but you did better than that – you got to play football again, even though it was at a lower level. The way you had to fight for so long and wouldn't give up, a long struggle until you got back on your feet.

Does this influence your judgement on the way Dominic has looked at his injury? You fought every inch of the way just to walk again while it looks like you think Dominic hasn't done anything like near enough to help himself?

Steve Shave
50 Posted 30/03/2023 at 19:30:54
I don't know why I am surprised but there are some serious closet Daily Mail and Express readers on here. They'd never admit it out loud in their home town of course but it leaks out of their archaic, out-dated, invalidating, Piers Morganesque posts about mental health and work ethic etc.
Anthony Dove
51 Posted 30/03/2023 at 19:36:18
The whys and wherefores of Calvert-Lewin's ailments have been the subject of more debate than Brexit. The present plan could just be based on getting him fully fit (physically and mentally) for the final games of the season when he might just make all the difference.
Mark Ryan
52 Posted 30/03/2023 at 19:38:46
He's not actually that good and so I'm happy to see Ellis turn into Bob Latchford Mark 2. He might look like Mungo Jerry but I've got a great feeling about this kid. DCL ? who ? bovvered ?
Danny O’Neill
53 Posted 30/03/2023 at 19:50:04
Whatever is wrong with Dominic, and let's be honest, none of us really know, I hope he sorts it out and get's back on the pitch. I always found football to be an escape. For those 90 minutes, life went away. I didn't have to think about anything other than football. I'm the same when I watch.

In terms of stress and mental health, I would never dismiss it. We all suffer from it at some point and to some degree throughout life from the experiences we've been through. Some cope better than others. I had periods when I came home and was a very angry and intolerant person. Fortunately I was able to channel that and I found football, running and sport a really good therapy. As well as family. I know people who didn't cope so well.

It's a sliding scale and everyone deals with it differently. That's if that is the issue with Dominic; we are speculating. Whatever his challenges are, I hope we see him back on the pitch soon to help us over the line again and compliment young Simms. And enjoy his football.

The march will take place before and we can shout afterwards. But once that siren and drum roll goes, it's all about those crossing the white line and those on the bench ready and waiting to cross the white line.

It's nearly the weekend. We're in this together and those empty seats can stay vacant. Donate them to a supporter that can't get a ticket because yet again, we are sold out.

Phil mckeown
54 Posted 30/03/2023 at 19:53:26
Wow Dave (38), I really don't know what to make of that lol
Send that to Everton and I might get a visit from Dom with the cameras present, Seamus would be my preference though if you do.

Im amazed that you think you know so much about me, clearly haven't been speaking to my wife for that much sympathy to be present !

You've got it all wrong though, that isn't quite my story, I'm no martyr and I'm not basing that element of my personal experience on my opinion. I was simply talking about a soft tissue injury and I was desperate to play so made sure I did

Colin Glassar
55 Posted 30/03/2023 at 19:53:29
Steve Shave 50, when I was a kid there was no such thing as mental health issues, allergies, spectrums, gender fluidity, metatarsals, concussions, stress, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, social media, gender equality, pronouns and the like. We were happy and did not know it.

Joking aside, I think this lad needs a good kicking up the arse. You'd never see a Mick Lyons or a Johnny Morrissey taking paid leave for months on end.

Rob Halligan
56 Posted 30/03/2023 at 19:53:54
On me last night on the Costa Del Sol, and I was introduced to the uncle of Michael Keane in a bar. He told me that Keane is very confident of us staying up, and that the whole squad is fully behind Dyche.

Michael Keane feels like a rejuvenated player since Dyche came in, which to be fair, he has done pretty okay. When we beat Spurs on Monday then get a draw at Man Utd, confidence will be sky-high.

Only downside about his uncle was that he is a Man Utd fan. Still, he seemed a decent fella!

Ray Roche
57 Posted 30/03/2023 at 20:02:46
Colin, and a ‘naughty’ kid with ADHD or any other recently discovered ailments was a little bastard and dealt with accordingly.
Dave Abrahams
58 Posted 30/03/2023 at 20:05:57
Phil (54),

When you posted a few weeks ago, I Googled your name and that gave me the information about you. Seemed to me you had a tough time getting back on your feet after a non-football injury, maybe Google got the story mixed up.

Tony Abrahams
59 Posted 30/03/2023 at 20:06:35
Phil@38, was that in a different age with different pitches, mate?

I think it’s Dyche himself who has probably tried to push DCL along, then realized that there is more to this, after beginning to work and understand the player.

He told Dominic he wasn’t far away after the Arsenal game, and there was then a scan, which allegedly came back saying inconclusive, which might be deemed as meaning there is nothing wrong with the player?

Manager talks to player about this, player says he hasn’t felt himself for a long time, and they will probably have then went on to discuss things further?

“Honestly Boss, I’m just not quite there”, but looking at your stats Dom, you’re not far away kid. “I’m leading the line by myself, and every time I go to really sprint, I can feel something in my hammy. Plus I can hear people in the crowd giving me loads and calling me every fuckn name under the sun - ending with faggot. (Hopefully this doesn’t offend anyone)

Okay Dominic if you don’t feel comfortable and you feel you have been rushed back to many times before, and have been forced to play because we have got nobody else, I’m going to take my time with you.

I believe you are a very good player, but if you don’t feel right, you are not going to produce your best. It’s up to you Dominic, keep running, keep getting stronger, and hopefully soon you will feel good! And so on.

I might be a million miles away, but before Benitez came to Everton, DCL, was always ready and available to play for Everton, and because of this I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt? Even if some people believe he’s absolutely cack!

Nick Armitage
60 Posted 30/03/2023 at 20:12:08
Ray, thankfully the treatment of neurodivergent kids and adults has moved on from your Edwardian approach. Welcome to the 21st Century.

Tony Abrahams
61 Posted 30/03/2023 at 20:36:54
Steve@50, that’s interesting that mate. I didn’t know they had done studies to determine that this was outdated and invalidating, and was just basing it on my own assessment, whilst looking at my own life, the life of my kids, and just society in general, really.

I was first introduced to very hard training around 13/14 years of age, and it was a complete shock to my system. I slowly began to see the benefits and believe that this initial hard lesson has helped pull me out of the shite a few times during darker spells in my life.

Of course it’s not going to work for everyone, but I believe that this will have been a get out of jail card for many people, who were taught to train/work hard during their childhood?

Dean Williams
62 Posted 30/03/2023 at 20:36:55
Christy 32.

Damn right it's empty. So what's your point?
Roger Helm
63 Posted 30/03/2023 at 21:05:40
Steve @50,

Are Daily Mail and Daily Express readers not welcome on this site?

Jim Lloyd
64 Posted 30/03/2023 at 21:08:11
Brian (31) and Gavin (35) Good posts! We lost a top class midfielder when we lost Paul Bracewell. Even worse when our own Physio pre-judged him.

With Calvert-Lewin, it probably won't help his morale if he hears derogatory remarks getting screamed out at him. It's always gone on, though. Well, I've heard scorn poured out at players ever since I've been going.

I can remember Alex Young, Kevin Sheedy, Paul Bracewell and even Peter Reid, and more when they were playing through injuries, who were getting stick. I suppose that's a mental battle every player who gets some of that, has to try and win, or else it will pull him down.

I think we could have done with a more effective goalscorer than Calvert-Lewin after Lukaku left (mind you, he got some terrible stick as well!) But that doesn't mean I don't rate him. He's a decent player, good with his head and is getting better in and around the box.

But we should always be looking for better. Now though, he is probably the best bet we have for upsetting opposition defences and making room for other players to get in on the goalscoring job.

So until we get better, we have Ellis Simms, Demarai Gray, perhaps Doucouré and, if he gets fit in time, Andros Townsend who could benefit from Calvert-Lewin leading the line.

So basically, the quicker he can get fit and lose any tormenting furies he might suffer from... the better.

Stuart Sharp
65 Posted 30/03/2023 at 21:18:27
ADHD is not an ailment. Nor is it 'newly discovered'. This thread contains some of the most depressingly ignorant posts I've read on TW in a long time.
Ian Horan
66 Posted 30/03/2023 at 21:33:27
ADHD is a condition, not an illness; it is part of the autistic spectrum. Everybody is different: eye colour, skin colour and hair colour.

Autism comes in many forms – some more servere than others – but let's be very clear: a person on the spectrum often needs reassurances before they feel comfortable with a situation, environment etc.

Dave Lynch
67 Posted 30/03/2023 at 21:38:29
One of the major symptoms of ADHD is anxiety. That can be in the form of social anxiety or health anxiety.

As Stuart stated... it is not an ailment, it's a condition that inhibits functioning on certain levels and elicits responses that manifest themselves when under stress.

Colin Glassar
68 Posted 30/03/2023 at 21:41:21
Ray, a good clip around your ear ‘ole was enough to straighten you out and clear up any potential illnesses.
Danny O’Neill
69 Posted 30/03/2023 at 21:43:47
With you on the 4 points, Rob. I'll go for the other way around. A point on Monday; Keane to get the winner at Old Trafford in front of his Uncle!

Jim @64, you've only gone and mentioned Bracewell and dropped the Sheedy bomb.

It's a school night and nearly the weekend. Did you have to?

Derek Knox
70 Posted 30/03/2023 at 21:44:13
Re: Calvert-Lewin regaining fitness.

More chance of Lord Nelson getting his eye back! :-)

Mike Gaynes
72 Posted 30/03/2023 at 22:00:08
Hey folks, way off topic, but the NY Times ran a story this morning on the collapse of the Chinese national soccer program amid a wave of allegations of corruption and incompetence.

It included the stunning news that our old friend Li Tie, formerly China's national team coach, is apparently in prison.

He was arrested at a coaching clinic in November, charged with "serious violations of law." The president of China's national soccer federation was arrested on the same charges. There is no information on trials or convictions.

Meanwhile Jiang Guangtai, formerly Tyias Browning of Everton, may still have a job in the collapsing Chinese Super League. He transferred to Shanghai Port from his dying club Guangzhou Evergrande after the sponsoring Evergrande real estate conglomerate collapsed under debt.

As for Browning's national team career -- remember he took Chinese citizenship and changed his name -- he was a regular starter at center half for a team that went winless in its last 7 games of World Cup qualifying and was eliminated by Vietnam.

My nephew Kevin, who moved here from China in December, says there's a popular joke in Chinese about a country with a billion people that can't find 11 decent footballers.

If I see any updates on Li Tie, I'll share them.

Ernie Baywood
73 Posted 30/03/2023 at 22:16:10
The butterfly has been adopted as a symbol of those who have struggled with their mental health. I wasn't aware Dominic had a butterfly tattoo but, if that's true, then the link seems fairly straight forward given things he has alluded to.

It's not really for me (or anyone) to comment on that, and certainly not on the validity of that. That's his own personal battle.

Regardless of what is ailing him, I hope he gets better. Obviously.

From a football perspective, we could do with him on the pitch but only if he's right to go. Plenty of professionals around the club have deemed that he isn't yet in that position.

So we go with what we have. I'm not sure why anyone would feel the need to have a crack at Dom. There's nothing to suggest he's out drinking, crashing cars into petrol stations or doing anything unprofessional. He's just out of action due to matters which are out of his control, which happens.

Colin Glassar
74 Posted 30/03/2023 at 22:16:15
Mike, when that joke of a league began recruiting players on £500k p/w I confidently predicted it wouldn’t last long despite many on here saying it was a game changer.

You can’t just create a league out of nothing. You guys tried it in the 70’s with “it’s a kick in the grass”. Importing the likes of Pele, Best, Marsh, Oblitas etc….

The gulf states are attempting to do something similar but at least they have a football culture and knowledge of the game.

James O'Connell
75 Posted 30/03/2023 at 22:30:35
I only get 4 weeks sick pay a year, which massively motivates me to be fit for the other 48.
Andy Finigan
76 Posted 30/03/2023 at 22:37:05
James 75,

Try no sick pay, 2 days off in 30-odd years.

Danny O’Neill
77 Posted 30/03/2023 at 22:45:09
Thanks for the update, Mike.

It never seemed sustainable if there is validity in the rumour. Let's see, the Chinese Government may well step in.

I didn't know that about Browning. Free world, freedom of choice and each to their own.

Still seems odd.

James O'Connell
78 Posted 30/03/2023 at 22:48:14
Andy 76 are you BK's personal chef?
Si Pulford
79 Posted 30/03/2023 at 23:10:12
Snowflake, tart, ADHD being ‘made up!'

Ray, you’re thick as mince. ADHD is not recently discovered and the problem with ADHD is treating kids like ‘little shits….' literally kills their futures before they've finished school, you absolute melt.

Jesus. Have I stumbled upon the talkSPORT or The Sun comments section. What a grim set of responses from Evertonians.

Lastly, anyone ever consider that two years ago DCL was playing and scoring for England. Anyone at all think that just maybe he’d still like to be doing so??

No? We'd rather assume he's happy to be injured and take the money.

Even though he would make more money playing than not playing and his career and ability to make money is dying in front of his eyes.

Depressing reading. No offence to the great points made by empathetic posters but some horrific opinions on here.

Brian Wilkinson
80 Posted 30/03/2023 at 23:38:32
Christy@36, yes it was Billy Whitehurst, New Years Day 86 the match.

Another player I will throw my hat into the ring for and again was unlucky with a long term injury was Joe Parkinson.

When you look at the Southall, Heath, Bracewell and Parkinson injuries, we never were blessed with any luck, on the injury front, probs throw Snodin into the mix as well.

I watched the cup winners cup final game again last night, what a game Bracewell had in that game.

Breaks your heart when you hear Brian Clough in the Commentry praising our team and saying this is a young Everton team, they will rule for years, with his final quote, nobody does it better than Everton.

Ben King
81 Posted 30/03/2023 at 23:44:55
Can't believe he's still out…

Except I can. Sadly.

Kieran Kinsella
82 Posted 31/03/2023 at 02:04:25

You forgot the J League luring Lineker for millions as well as Zico. I should imagine India, Indonesia or Nigeria will be the next to try their luck buying over-hyped unmotivated mercenaries and expecting success.

I'm surprised Everton haven't started a rival league of their own as we've been enriching mercenaries whilst getting worse for decades

Jonathan Oppenheimer
83 Posted 31/03/2023 at 05:54:36
Si 79, I echo all of your feelings. This is the worst, most offensive set of comments I've seen on TW for a long time. I guess any article about Iwobi or DCL will bring out the angriest of our fan base.

I'm not an overly politically correct person, and I can look past the childish, ignorant comments about DCL's sartorial choices. But it's pretty sad to see so many people mocking one of our best player's mental health, especially when he's stated it's been an issue for him. Oh, and it's the player who came on last year to score the biggest goal in the last 30 years.

I may be relatively new as a fan, but I love the club because of the passion fellow fans feel for the club. But when passion turns so nasty, it's pretty sad.

Dominic Calvert-Lewin has been nothing but a hard-working loyal player since coming to Everton, proving doubters wrong at every turn in those early years to become an international scoring bags of goals when he finally put it all together. Whatever is causing him to miss games, it's sure hard to believe he doesn't want to be out there.

I can't wait until he comes back stronger than ever and the same people on here saying awful things about one of our own are forced to cheer him on and eat their words.

Danny O’Neill
84 Posted 31/03/2023 at 06:26:14
It's a good job there is the odd medical expert or two on here who can make a diagnosis without access to medical records. Hats off to you.

As for ADHD, it's a bit like autism. We may have, decades ago, dismissed the condition as being "naughty" or "strange", but science and medicine moves on as we try to understand disease and behaviour and the reasons behind it.

A very good friend of mine had his son diagnosed with autism at 5 years old. They were devastated. At my friends funeral, they had to do a full dress rehearsal (military funeral) the day before, so that the lad knew exactly what was going on during the real thing. To dismiss these conditions is going back to Victorian ages. Lock them up in mental asylums and feed them soup and bread?

As for dress sense, he and anyone else for that matter, can wear whatever they want. I don't really care in the slightest. I'll judge Dominic as a footballer and Everton player when he gets back on the pitch, because that's what matters to me if I'm honest.

Whatever is going on with him, physical, mental or whatever, I hope the club look after him and get him back to doing what he enjoys doing and we enjoy seeing.

I can still see that diving header. That is going to live with me for a long time. Good luck, Dominic and when you step back on that turf, you know we will be right behind you.

Ernie Baywood
85 Posted 31/03/2023 at 07:30:55
Let's be up front about this. If he'd never worn a skirt, then the comments would be very different. No-one will convince me otherwise.
David West
86 Posted 31/03/2023 at 08:07:20
He can wear as many skirts, kilts, carry as many handbags or walk around bollocko for all I care.

If he's playing, contributing and scoring, no one cares about all the other nonsense.

I wish him well, some people have very short memories. Get back, prove them all wrong, Dom!!!

Kim Vivian
87 Posted 31/03/2023 at 08:13:22
Mike 72 - continuing off topic...

"...there's a popular joke in Chinese about a country with a billion people that can't find 11 decent footballers."

That's funny - and it reminded me of a story back in the 70s (80s?) when Desmond Douglas enjoyed brief notoriety as our no. 1 table tennis player, someone commented that there were about 20,000 Chinese who would beat him in a match.

Different worlds, eh?

Eddie Dunn
88 Posted 31/03/2023 at 08:35:29
Frustration is surely the main reason for people to make such snide remarks about Calvert-Lewinsky 's mental or physical health (or lack of it) and the easy target of his clothes.

Even if I was qualified to comment on his medical condition, without access to his medical records and without examining him along with the rest of the medics, I would not be able to speculate.

I do know that a few players have been very dependent on the club's medical staff for mental health issues. I know this for a fact from a club insider.

Whether DCL is one of these, I don't know but to me the lad has bust a gut on countless occasions and scored some important and memorable goals. His work rate has been remarkable when he has been fuly fit.

When he returns and plants a header into the back of the net, I hope all of those muppets above, reflect on their ignorant tripe.

In the Premier League, Dominic has played 175 times for Everton, scoring 46 goals and having 11 assists. That's a goal every 3.8 games, in a side that has generally been very average. Not too shabby.

Jerome Shields
89 Posted 31/03/2023 at 08:38:06
Paul #5,

I think you are right. I have a son going through rehab and, although he has become more capable, his mind is lagging behind. This is common in most long-term recoveries. Being displaced, not being engaged in the team, not feeling fit enough to engage.

The solution is the player accepting his situation, then surrendering all goals other than those for the day he is in, and taking the time to recover.

Calvert-Lewin, as a centre-foward at Everton, has always been under pressure. Firstly is the long-standing Evertonian fixation with centre-forwards. Secondly, throughout his Everton career, he has been pushed in as a saviour into the team, which it was impossible to be. Thirdly, this has been detrimental to his development as a footballer. And fourthly, he is very dependent on the attitude of those around him, who are under enormous pressure.

I therefore have changed my mind regarding Calvert-Lewin and would advise him to look after his health and concentrate on building a lifeboat out of Everton.

Actually Everton wheeling him out as making 'very good progress towards fitness' is not very helpful, but they feel it necessary to appease the fans, to cover the prevailing incompetence in club management.

Tony Abrahams
90 Posted 31/03/2023 at 08:50:59
Don’t change Danny, because you see the world in a very sensible and pragmatic way mate, until it comes to Everton, obviously, and then you become a 51 year old romantic lunatic!

I used to take the naughty kids to school, or that’s what I thought, until the teacher told me to tell one young boys parents, that they should not send their son to school, unless they had given him his medication.

I remember them going on a school trip for a couple of days, and everyone of them had an envelope full of tablets, which they had to give to their teachers, when they arrived at school. Very sad.

Once I became aware of it, it then became easy to spot the tell-tale signs, but one mum told me her husband didn’t believe in it, which absolutely astounded me, and made me worry for this child.

Honestly I once had an 8/9 year old kid, push his grandad out the way, running into his house screaming “get out the way you arl c**t”, before running back out with a big bread knife, to try and attack one of the other kids, who he had been fighting with in the back of the vehicle.

One of the kids was convicted of a joint enterprise murder, before he had left school, and I think because of his condition, he’s still inside, whilst most of his co-accused are back on the streets.

This world has become to fast for so many people, because the one true religion is $£€¥, unfortunately.

Tony Abrahams
91 Posted 31/03/2023 at 09:00:22
I don’t think this is a depressing thread, especially when you get such thought provoking posts, like the one Eddie Dunn, has just written.

These players are human-beings, but it’s all about the 90 minutes to us, and just because they are in such a privileged position, doesn’t mean they can’t suffer the stresses that modern life provides.

I’d love to go into our club and change things. I’d start with the academy, this would be my base for changing everything else, and every single first team player, would have to contribute financially, but they would be repaid tenfold with whatever kind of education they require.

Dave Lynch
92 Posted 31/03/2023 at 09:00:50

I am qualified to comment on ADHD, I've been a psychiatric nurse for 40yrs and have come across a wide range of behavioural disorders.

ADHD, ASD, BPD, name but a few.

I never commented on whether he suffers from ADHD, I just pointed out how it can manifest in an individual.

Christopher Timmins
93 Posted 31/03/2023 at 09:01:21
We have got to trust that when Sean thinks it's the right time for the guy to come back that he will then have an extended injury free period. He just has to look at what such a period has done for Seamus over the past couple of months.

Tony # 90
Your last line is sad but so true.

Ray Roche
94 Posted 31/03/2023 at 09:12:48
Nick Armitage@60 and anyone else who misunderstood my post at 57.

“ and a ‘naughty’ kid with ADHD or any other recently discovered ailments was a little bastard and dealt with accordingly” is what I wrote.

That was the attitude in the forties and fifties, because no one had heard of autism, ADHD, or dyslexia so you were regarded as thick or naughty. Countless kids were caned (and worse) because they couldn’t read properly because of what we now know is dyslexia.

It’s only relatively recently that these conditions are recognised and treated.

Likewise the poor sods who suffered shell shock or what we now know as PTSD in WW1 and were executed for cowardice. Only medical knowledge and general acknowledgment of such conditions have enabled those whose lives are blighted by these conditions to get treatment.

So drop the Edwardian and 21st Century jibes please.

Si Pulford @79

You’re another ‘thick as mince” poster who has slagged off a comment without reading it properly. So, you gormless melt, read it properly, or get someone to read it to you.

And it’s. ’you’re’ not ‘your’ you thick twat.

Happy getting verbally abused?

Dave Lynch
95 Posted 31/03/2023 at 09:24:59
As awful as this may sound some behavioural dissorders and there classification (name given to them)...are driven by the pharmaceutical companies.
Label a child or adult for that matter and you can prescribe them medication.
If you want an insight into this, I urge you to watch a programme called "crime of the century" and how the Sackler family basically killed thousands of people through prescription Oxycontin.
They are a very powerful body and for want of a better description actually run America... pharmaceutical companies that is.
Sam Mellor
96 Posted 31/03/2023 at 09:27:41
Agree that some of the comments on here make me ashamed of certain members of our fanbase.

You can be frustrated that he isn't on the pitch but wild speculation, comments belittling mental health problems, crap about wearing a skirt, questioning of his attitude are all way out of line. You don't know the guy or what he's going/been through.

Nobody wants to have health problems whether that's physical or mental, least of all someone whose career had just taken off. None of us know what's gone on behind the scenes and this kind of speculation doesn't help anyone and just feeds the negativity. Try supporting the guy rather than slagging him off.

Tony Abrahams
97 Posted 31/03/2023 at 09:34:23
I’d say thankfully the world is moving on, but when I spoke about the kid who had been done for murder, (young kid, part of a gang, I don’t think he hit the kid who died) then I’m not so sure that this is always true, and what Ray wrote yesterday, about little bastards getting dealt with accordingly, still stands in certain environments?

The kid was funny, he was nuts, he was around the bend, but he unfortunately had a condition, that he simply couldn’t control, and life was always going to be hard for him because of this.

Hurry up and get fit Dominic lad, because this thread is going deeper than the ocean, and our team needs you!

Brian Harrison
98 Posted 31/03/2023 at 09:34:43
I am sure Sean Dyche and DCL are desperate to get on the pitch, but for whatever reason that hasnt proved possible very much this season, and last season the player struggled to stay injury free.
I can understand the frustration in some fans as they see a team struggling for goals and our main goal scorer is unable to help when we need him the most.

It is looking increasingly obvious that DCL might not return to the fitness he and the club needs and that is probably more disappointing for him, as in time the club will find a replacement. Just so sad when a young man cant get his body into the shape that would allow him to get back to what he probably misses most that's playing. I know many have given their prognosis as to what's wrong but I think we would all be best if we leave it to our medical team, who will be trying everything to get DCL back on the pitch.

Tony Abrahams
99 Posted 31/03/2023 at 09:46:34
I honestly think that because of the sensible way that Dyche, seems to be managing the situation, that DCL, will actually come back stronger than he’s ever been before.

Dyche is being helped, (or helping himself?) because he has got the team much more disciplined, and other players have also stepped up, meaning we don’t feel as desperate without Lewin.

Players get injured and recover all the time, and even though he hasn’t been right for around 18 months, I’m still hopeful that Lewin can come back a better player?🤞

Danny O’Neill
100 Posted 31/03/2023 at 09:49:50
You've sussed me Tony! I generally and emotionless person. My wife has often told me that my heart beats once a minute. Twice when Everton score. I think that is a compliment?

That's a powerful and sad story Tony. Sorry to hear that.

Dave @92, I don't know if you thought I was referring to you; I hope not, it was more generic. We don't know what's going on or what the issue is. I hope, for Dominic, it is just physical injury, because mental illness and conditions are much more difficult to come back from depending on the individual's ability to cope and deal with it. Not that I'm as qualified as you, but I have dealt with traumatic stress in individuals caused by things they have experienced and witnessed. It takes a long time for them to cope. Sometimes they never do.

As you refer to, it's about spotting the signs and when necessary, stepping in to remove them from the spotlight or front line duties before it manifests and becomes a bigger issue for the individual and those around them.

Come Monday evening, if Dominic isn't in the squad, then he doesn't matter. That doesn't mean I'm being callous or that I don't care. Of course I do, he's an Everton player.

But for 24 hours, if he's not there, he doesn't matter. Everton and the players on the pitch do.

Ray Roche
101 Posted 31/03/2023 at 09:55:56
Sam @96,

Unfortunately, the occasional knee-jerk comments on here when people misunderstood a post can lead to a 'pile-on' and the original post is lost in the melee.

DCL has suffered dog's abuse on here for his interest in fashion etc and as for his wearing a skirt….. how many times do people have to say that it was a pair of baggy shorts (culottes) that he wore?

Leave the lad alone, It's his life.

Dave Lynch
102 Posted 31/03/2023 at 10:00:37
No offence taken Danny I assure you.

I know you're ex services and I have personally dealt with a lot of ex forces personnel with PTSD in the last 20 yrs of my job.

Its heartbreaking to see young men who wanted to earn a living representing our country so fucked up by conflicts started by politicians whos only aim is to take control of other countries resources at any cost.

Dave Abrahams
103 Posted 31/03/2023 at 11:11:50
Jonathon (83), Jonathon why mention Iwobi and Dominic in the same context, I have no time for Iwobi because I watch him all the time and I have stated on many occasions that I see him as a shirker and fully believe that to be the case.

With Dominic I have always seen a player who has always tried his level best for the club, played and used in different positions, I don’t think for one moment he isn’t doing his level best to get properly fit to get on the field and continue to strive for the team.

To me they are two different players who play in different ways one is whole hearted and the other is chicken hearted.

Ray Roche
104 Posted 31/03/2023 at 11:13:54

If every politician who enters his country into a war had to send his own family to the front line, there'd be fewer wars.
Old men start wars. Young men die in them.

Steve Cotton
105 Posted 31/03/2023 at 11:35:12
No one on here would be concerned about DCL's return to fitness if we had purchased a quality striker in the summer or maybe in January because we would potentially have someone banging the goals in.
Lack of addressing this striker issue whether due to no one being available, no one wanting to come or just lack of investment due to FFP rules has put the spotlight on DCL.

Getting to April with your only recognised striker on 1 goal is a disgrace but not DCL's fault

Ray Roche
106 Posted 31/03/2023 at 11:43:30
Stuart Sharp @65,

‘ADHD was only really recognised as a valid condition in the UK in 2000 when the first National Institute of Clinical Excellence report on the condition was brought out‘ – Taken from

In the grand scheme of things,I would say that that is relatively recent, certainly 36 years after my school days ended. And that was my point, general ignorance of a medical/mental health problem led to kids being disciplined unfairly.

Christine Foster
107 Posted 31/03/2023 at 12:00:30
The Premier League is merciless. You have to be a top athlete, at the top of your game, physically and mentally to play in it and perform consistently. You are up against players who are at the top of their game. It is the elite of the best.
Injury, no matter how big or small, is soul destroying because the edge is lost, confidence in your own body is shaken and it can be a long road back. Serious injury sometimes heals but most often the player never fully recovers to the same level, a sharpness gone, a moment of doubt before a tackle.. the edge is that sharp but so easily blunted.
As fans we continually want the best out of our players, we see them at their best and see their capability, that's the level we expect. But the truth is unless you are an exceptional talent, exceptionally fit, it's nearly impossible to stay at the peak, but we love players who manage to show what they are capable of, even on an ad hoc basis.
We sacrifice players ability for the sake of the team, the formation, the job asked, the fit never quite right.
DCL knows he can do the job, knows what's expected but he knows his body. Simon Jordan is an idiot, happy to be injured my backside.. I have absolutely no respect for him, DCL for whatever reason knows he is not there, physically or mentally, it's immaterial. At least the club is backing him to get right.
Fans want him back desperately but if he is not right then he cannot be picked because he will fail and so will the team. It will be great to have him back but we shouldn't have been in the position we are without back up to allow him to recover sensibly. Come back when you're right lad, not before.
Danny O’Neill
108 Posted 31/03/2023 at 12:26:20
Absolutely Christine. If he's not right, he would be a liability. Often, players are not honest enough to admit they aren't right. Admirable as their commitment is, that can be detrimental to the team.

If you're not right, say so. To be honest in the high octane, athletically fine tuned modern game of small margins, if a player is even fractionally off the mark, it will make a big difference. In comparison to the game of yesteryear, when players got away with a night on the tiles and a cheeky smoke at half time.

Anthony Hawkins
109 Posted 31/03/2023 at 12:56:46
@Dave Lynch #95, The UK and US are both run by the Pharmaceutical, Energy, Financial and IT companies. that's where the money is. It's a shame these corporations have such power to manipulate everything.

...DCL, whether mental, physical or both, needs support. Whilst I'd love to see him come back and prove the doubters wrong, I can't help thinking he'd be better doing it at another club with a fresh challenge and without the history or perceived baggage.

To the point about PTSD and other such symptoms - I'm just glad we're not (yet, anyway) in a time where those will be stress tested for any of us.

Mark Taylor
110 Posted 31/03/2023 at 13:18:00
I suggest it would be better for us- and him for that matter- if we didn't keep getting ongoing reports about DCL's 'progress'. Frankly there hasn't been a lot. None of us know why. He may or may not recover sufficiently to be a proper PL footballer again. I have ceased counting on that happening. Maybe the next article should be postponed until it can read, Calvert Lewin fit to play.
Lee Courtliff
111 Posted 31/03/2023 at 13:21:58
Interesting article on Bracewell, I never saw him play for us but my Dad told me all about him. Many, many times.

And, there's some absolute shite on here about Dominic. There's clearly something wrong but none of us know exactly what, so just support one of our own. He clearly needs it.

And when/if he returns and bangs one in at the Street End under the lights, we'll all be celebrating together.

It's Our fuckin club, so support it and the players. Especially one who obviously tries and has scored a good few goals for us.

Danny O’Neill
112 Posted 31/03/2023 at 13:47:41
Lee, you would have loved to watch Bracewell.

A very graceful player, but worked for the team. Alongside Peter Reid, we had a formidable, hard working and talented centre midfield with Trevor Steven and my boyhood idol Kevin Sheedy (there's my Sheedy drop for the day) either side of them.

It was such a shame injury curtailed his Everton career.

Larry O'Hara
113 Posted 31/03/2023 at 14:08:57
I do hope DCL doesn’t read TW: lots of vile nasty comments here, as well as supportive ones I am glad to say. Have the curmudgeons on here forgotten his wonderful headed goal against Palace last season? I haven’t, nor have I forgotten Delle Ali’s superb second half display in that match either….
Garry Martin
114 Posted 31/03/2023 at 14:24:05
He's obviously got more than physical injuries. Training by himself, as stated by the club 2 weeks ago, indicates other issues going on here with him.
David West
115 Posted 31/03/2023 at 14:29:48
Larry don't start calling for Ali to come back please. One half of decent football in 6 months..
Next it will be remember that goal gomes scored 3 years ago.
Kieran Kinsella
116 Posted 31/03/2023 at 14:34:32
Mark 110

Exactly. "very good progress." We've been hearing about his progress for aeons. Obviously it's not "Very good" as every presser seems to indicate he might be ready for the next game and he never is. So yes it would be better to stop going on about him and let him quietly do his rehab away from the spotlight.

Andy Crooks
117 Posted 31/03/2023 at 15:14:59
Jonathan @ 76, spot on. The player is plagued with injury and for his and our sake, I wish him all the luck inthe world.
Roger Helm
118 Posted 31/03/2023 at 15:34:49
He may be a flaky wimp but he’s our flaky wimp so let’s get behind him and support him. Does that suit everyone or annoy everyone?

BTW it’s easy to bash “Big Pharma” but if they weren’t there, who would develop the drugs we need? Need as in without them, I wouldn’t be here.

Mark Taylor
119 Posted 31/03/2023 at 18:03:20
Kieran 116

Absolutely my view. One of the problems caused by our poor form, until perhaps recently, is that players' reputations are enhanced by not actually playing. We pine for them if those on the pitch serve up dross. Even the likes of Townsend, who is a decent pro but hardly likely to change things all that much.

We pine even more for DCL, because we haven't actually got a striker (maybe Simms, we'll see) and the former gets better in the mind the longer he is on the sidelines. Problem is, he is notoriously slow to get up to speed so even when he finally makes the squad, I wouldn't count on him for several more games to make a proper impact. So that's near enough season end which is why he's not much in my thinking in terms of playing a big part in the rescue act. Maybe next season

Charles Brewer
120 Posted 31/03/2023 at 18:11:13
Calvert-Lewin is paid £4,472,000 a year to play football. That is over twice as much as Gray, Davies and Onana. I doubt that, apart from the other players, there are half a dozen people at any given match at Goodison who make that much money.

If he can't hack it, like Dele Alli, he should fuck off, and the money should be spent on someone willing to contribute. This is a football club. It is not somewhere people are paid to "find themselves" or "resolve inner conflicts" or whatever bollocks is fashionable this week.

Indeed, I suspect that having him around, being paid a fortune for coming up with a new ailment every few months, is highly corrosive, helping neither those who go out there and get kicked up and down the park by goons whose antics are ignored by Sky 6 friendly referees, nor genuinely injured players (Townsend) and those whose careers are on the edge (Coady, Davies).

What a footballer, like a salesman, a software developer, a roadsweeper or a surgeon, is worth, should be a function of outcomes and contributions. How they feel about matters is not important.

Gary Brown
121 Posted 31/03/2023 at 18:15:28
We'll see a magic recovery around Xmas 2023, as he hits 18 months left on the contract and Euro 24 is 6 months away.

The problem for him is even we're not stupid enough to have not covered the base before then. Mind you….

Christy Ring
122 Posted 31/03/2023 at 18:25:02
Off the point, but imagine now having a 4-man midfield of Sheedy Reid, Bracewell and Steven, fantasy land.
Andy Crooks
123 Posted 31/03/2023 at 23:51:25
Charles, where should DCL fuck off to? Oh, I get it now another club will pay to take him. Good thinking, he can't " hack it" but he'll hack it somewhere else.
You "suspect"( for the love of fuck), that he is " highly corrosive"( for the love of fuck again).
God Almighty, Charles, YOU, know the "genuinely injured" players?
I know nothing about his injuries, you, apparently do. Your anger is wrongly directed. Your post is nasty,spiteful and " how they feel about matters is not important", just low.

Derek Knox
124 Posted 01/04/2023 at 01:32:19
We have a Chairman who IS stealing £2.3M/year and not even turning up at matches, I don't see too many up in arms about that. Where they should be, not to mention DBB and the nodding dog Sharp too !
Si Pulford
125 Posted 01/04/2023 at 12:19:27
Ray your original comment had been taken ‘out of context…’ by just about everyone on here then?

Everyone read it wrong. Got the wrong end of the stick etc?

Certainly not poorly worded in any way shape or form.

Maybe you could proof read what you post to see if it comes across as you intend it before pressing submit.

I won’t rise to the grammar police bit. I couldn’t give a fuck about an Oxford comma or where an apostrophe goes.

Steve Shave
126 Posted 01/04/2023 at 12:25:10
Some of the posts on here are just plain bizarre, the notion that one should be able to do their job just because their problem is mental health rather than physical. I'd like to remind those of you who aren't aware that mental health and physical health are intrinsically linked, suggestions that they aren't are at least 20 years out of date in accordance with scientific studies and evidence.

I have no idea where the ADHD chat started on this thread or why (there is no news to my knowledge that DCL has ADHD?). However, as a psychotherapist who has ADHD I feel I have something to offer this discussion.

There are numerous mental health conditions which (if severe enough) can make one feel unable to leave the house, to be around others, to get out of bed etc. Just because some of YOU feel he should be able it doesn't make it suddenly possible to do so.

Yes it is frustrating our main striker has not been available, yes I want him back as much as many of you, but don't project your frustrations onto him and potentially worsen his mental health, you did not walk life in his shoes, with his brain and you have NO notion of what he's been through.

And yes, there is something wrong with reading the Mail and the Express if you aren't smart enough to distinguish their political agendas from your own perspective and just ignorantly go around passing it off as your own venomous bile.

Charles Brewer
127 Posted 01/04/2023 at 12:30:48
Andy, I don’t care where DCL goes, I’d just like to see his vast salary paid to a footballer ( or even several) who at least makes some attempt to contribute to the success of Everton FC.

As for his effect on others, how would you, or any rational person, especially one whose occupation is based on physical confrontation and competition, regard someone who has strung out a minor injury (we are signally not talking about a Seamus Coleman with a broken leg, or a viciously assaulted Andre Gomes - who returned much earlier than expected) for season after season and whenever there appears to be some likelihood of returning comes up with some observable-symptom-free new issue.

I’d be pissed off, not just with the player but with the club that paid me less than half what the malingerer was getting. And perhaps I wouldn’t be motivated for the 50-50 challenge, maybe I wouldn’t be that bothered about giving away the penalty by getting my timing perfect, or running 40 yards back at full speed when someone misplaced a pass near the opponents’ penalty area.

I used to run teams of UK staff in various foreign locations, Switzerland, Poland, the UAE and Korea being just a few. I would interview candidates in London, and choose only those who seemed attracted to work in places where they would need to be pretty self sufficient and could handle being away from friends, family and such delights as London offered.

Most adapted, some with more ease than others. however, some did not, and the effect of their complaints, denigration of the local culture, people and circumstances would begin to be infectious. When this happened and it was recognised, they would be on the first plane out. Being stuck in Warsaw in February in 1994 with astronomical international phone rates, no English language tv, awful food everywhere (Pizza Hut was the best at any price) is not conducive to morale, so a moaning or lazy team member certainly was deeply corrosive.

My teams consisted of graduates mostly in their 30s and 40s, and they found it hard (there was lots of serious and sometimes worrying levels of drinking), so we are not talking about young footballers who are not noted for their intellectual attributes or maturity.

My duty was to deliver modern systems to my clients, and having a team who were not resentful, miserable or drunk formed a utterly essential part of that process. Everyone who went out there got a more than decent chance, we all knew the transition was hard and many concessions were made early on. But damaging the team ethos was the line which was not to be crossed.

I was one of those who was glad to see the back of Lukaku, an excellent footballer who saw himself as superior to the club I support, but whose attitude was a major problem and I believe, harmed the team. Conversely, I will forever hold Richarlison in the highest regard, he left to advance his career which is his absolute right, but he never gave the impression of playing with anything but the highest commitment..

Danny O’Neill
128 Posted 01/04/2023 at 12:32:21
Never liked the Mail Steve. As I repeatedly say, it's always like being told off by your very stern Auntie who is in the Women's institute.

I don't know what happened to the Express. Years ago it was my Labour supporting Grandfather's favourite paper.

Now it seems like a UKIP voice piece. All headline, no substance.

Steve Brown
129 Posted 01/04/2023 at 12:36:53
If DCL has suffered mental health issues, then I am just grateful he has fantastic support and patience from the club.

As someone with an immediate family member who has suffered mental health challenges for over a decade, it is honestly no laughing matter. It is very tough for him and those who care for him.

Thankfully, there is much greater understanding in society of this issue than has been demonstrated by several posters here.

Ray Roche
130 Posted 01/04/2023 at 12:59:36
Si @125,

Yes, that's pretty much it. One person gets it wrong and the sheep pile on. And get abusive too.

And how did ‘your’ not ‘you're’ slip past your razor sharp proof reading system?
Anyway City have just equalised. 😁

Mick O'Malley
131 Posted 01/04/2023 at 18:25:32
I’ve never been a big fan of the lad, I think his finishing is really poor, he’s great in the air but you need a bit more than that, regarding his injuries, granted he’s had really bad luck but I think we should forget about him and get behind the lads on the pitch, I’m not expecting much more from DCL, he’s barely contributed over the last 9 months and for long spells last season also, even if he gets fit how long will it take him to get up to speed?
Andy Crooks
132 Posted 01/04/2023 at 20:27:00
Charles, I agree with you about Lukaku.
Nick Armitage
133 Posted 02/04/2023 at 23:21:53
Ray Roche, the intent of your post wasn't clear. Seeing that I wasn't the only one to think your intent was different, then perhaps make sure that what you write is what you mean.
Ray Roche
134 Posted 03/04/2023 at 08:05:17
Nick Armitage,
I’ve reread my initial post and, because I know it was meant as an ironic comment, it’s clear to me what my post was trying to say. My subsequent posts should leave you in no doubt as to my feelings on the matter.
Unfortunately the written word can’t always relate the tone in the way that the spoken word will. I don’t know how old you are Nick but physical punishment was the norm when I was at school, often undeserved.
Tony Abrahams
135 Posted 03/04/2023 at 08:31:52
I have the advantage of having met Ray and I have to admit that, on first reading, his post might have caused offence to some people, even if he was definitely talking about something that used to be an absolute fact.

The little bastard (a true but horrible phrase in context) did used to get dealt with accordingly and, on second reading, it was easy for me to acknowledge what I believe Ray was actually meaning.

I hate the written word sometimes and think if we were in a pub, a few people might have looked sideways before realising what Ray had actually meant with his deadpan statement which I viewed to be a sarcastic phrase about the way life used to be.

Nick Armitage
136 Posted 03/04/2023 at 08:34:06
Ray, nobody can have any idea what that lad is going through and some of the stuff I hear about him makes my blood boil. I accept that I misinterpreted your intent.
Tony Abrahams
137 Posted 03/04/2023 at 09:03:40
Steve @126, I’m intrigued by this because now I’m older and have lived a bit more life, I think I can see how much physical and mental health are linked.

Going deep, I believe one lad I knew might have committed suicide because he was actually too fit. Hard to fathom, but when I heard he was going into his gym looking for the man who tutored him, and was becoming very frustrated when hearing the man was on holiday, this was the conclusion I came to, even though I’m aware there would have also been other factors involved.

This was a tragic outcome for somebody who had suffered with mental health, but it still won’t change my belief that physical exertion would definitely help a large percentage of people who are suffering from mental health.

I remember having glandular fever, and it was turning me into a schizophrenic. I would arrange to meet someone, but then have to cancel because half an hour later I would be wanting to go and lie down. It was driving me crazy, until I realized I had to start fighting it.

I’d go the gym do 20 minutes, feel tired, but tell myself it was better than lying in bed and gradually I overcome something that I’m just glad was just physical, even though it was beginning to affect my mental state. It also done my head in because I realized that I should have been putting in these little steps after recovering from tuberculosis, because I used to train like I was still a professional footballer, and must have given myself at least 50/100 chest infections over the next few soul destroying years.

The secret as always is trying to learn as much about ourselves as possible, but not many of us are blessed with this gift from an early age?

Ray Roche
138 Posted 03/04/2023 at 11:56:00
Thank you Tony, I’m glad you can appreciate the sarcasm with which I made my original post👍🏻
Kids with dyslexia and other problems were regarded as naughty, thick or downright ‘little bastards’ by people, adults, teachers etc who didn’t know of the mental problems or whatever condition the kid had so cut them no slack. Dreadful for the child.

Nick, I am also glad that you can now see my post for what it was. I have never given DCL ANY criticism for his dress sense, or his fitness problems, be they physical or mental. I just hope that the lad can return soon and continue to be the player we know that he can be.

Dermot O'Brien
139 Posted 03/04/2023 at 13:01:30
It's a sad day when someone has to spend it defending an ironic comment. Be careful what you write Ray, or highlight in big flashing lights that you are being sarcastic/ ironic/ funny/ witty.
Ray Roche
140 Posted 03/04/2023 at 17:06:51
You’re right Dermot, thankfully….hopefully, my post is a bit clearer after an explanation. !!
Hans Fyhrqvist
141 Posted 03/04/2023 at 18:08:01
I have always rated Dominic Calvert-Lewin very highly. When he is fit, imo he is one of the best centre-forwards in the Premier League. As we all know, DCL has good all-round footballing abilities and he is a superb header of the ball.

I was really hoping that DCL could have played our last 10 PL games of this season. Though it´s very frustrating that it has taken and it still takes so much time for him to return into action, it´s the right procedure by Sean Dyche and his coaching staff to be absolutely sure that DCL is fully fit when he returns. If so, be it even after Easter, when we have more winnable matches coming, although every match is of course very hard and competitive in PL. Having said that, let´s hope Everton will prove that in our favour against Tottenham and Manchester United.

Simon Dalzell
142 Posted 04/04/2023 at 19:12:05
Shades of last season. Getting Dom back for the last few was critical, and could well be this. We need him and soon.
Colin Glassar
143 Posted 06/04/2023 at 18:37:24
I think now’s the time for a ‘proof of life’ photo. Unless I see Dom holding a copy of the daily edition of the red echo while doing keepy-uppys I won’t believe a word coming out of FF.
Phil McKeown
144 Posted 06/04/2023 at 21:39:03
An unconfirmed and unsubstantiated hamstring injury since 4th Feb. (Its usually only serious hamstring injuries that keep someone out this long)
He has been 'back on the grass' for weeks and still no sign of availability

For the all pro DCL supporters on this forum backing him and believing these stories coming out of Finch Farm, is their no alarm bells ringing here, serious question, please no smart arse, keyboard warrior answers

Barry Rathbone
145 Posted 06/04/2023 at 22:54:01
Just feel he isn't a Dyche player but he recognises circumstances make any half decent striker alternative a plus in this run in. Seems Dyche has backed off early thinly veiled critique of the DCL injuries and is going with bland "nearly ready" comments.

It's savvy because it diverts journos from probing too much and keeps the player onside averting a sulky arse in the camp disrupting the hard earned harmony.

Whatever happens I fully expect Dyche to ship him out in the summer

Kevin Molloy
146 Posted 06/04/2023 at 23:07:03
its almost tragic that this mental health crisis hit just as he was starting to show the world who he really was, on the catwalk as well as in the fashion pages. Him wearing high heels and schoolgirl attire had started to shatter the glass ceiling for narcissistic alerts everywhere, and now it looks like we're back to square one.

Christine Foster
147 Posted 06/04/2023 at 23:44:39
Kevin, not sure if that was an attempt at sarcasm or humour, neither made me laugh. I couldn't give a monkeys nuts what his choices in life are outside the football club. But I do want him back to do a job because frankly we need him 100%. If he has a "mental health crisis" then I would hope he is getting all the support he can muster. Arron Lennon, Michael Keane, Gary Speed, all had health issues, the difference of course is that they didn't have an alternative career outside of football. You may not like it, sneer at it or laugh at it, but its his choice. Good luck to him and I hope he is back to his best soon.

Tony, people forget sometimes that we are a biological machine, chemical balances in our body dictate feelings, depression, joy etc.. our mind does not operate in isolation from the chemical balance in our body. We take anti depressants, tranquilizers or recreational drugs to alter the way we think. Physical exertion often helps bring the body and mind back to health, but sometimes that alone is not enough, an underlying defect or condition untreated returns. I have no idea what the issues with DCL actually are, what he is combating, but I hope he can work through it. In EiTc we have at least as a club we understand the need to support and not condemn.

Nick Page
148 Posted 07/04/2023 at 00:12:39
I just wish this lad could be arsed. Come on Dom, you have the rest of your life to do fashion and that. Give us 100% and we’ll give you everything.
Kevin Molloy
149 Posted 07/04/2023 at 00:15:13
I don't feel like laughing either, it was sarcasm for the record. The point I am making obv not very well, is that his 'choices' are evidence of narcissism. A narcissism which is now endemic it seems to me in society. It's now the the 'get out of gaol card' of choice for todays elites. It reminds me of Meghan Markle's 'suicidal thoughts' I call bullshit. Of course we can never know for sure, but I don't feel like shutting up about it when everyone is doing the same thing. Whenever anyone is found wanting in public life they will 'play the victim'. And when they do, we're all supposed th just shut up or express concern. Well, no.. He 's out centre forward, we've only got one, and we're in the fucking relegation zone. He's not got an injury, has been unavailable for weeks, and but for the manager's brilliance we would have been firmly relegated by now if we had had to rely on him.
You may say, what an appalling attitude, how can you know for sure'. Ican't. I just was thinking he was a narcissist before his mental health crisis, and this response of jumping into victim mode is absolutely of a piece. I don't know if you've noticed, but everyone is doing it. Is it because we are all going nuts, or is something else going on. A social contagion. My money is on the latter.
Barry McNally
150 Posted 07/04/2023 at 11:39:30
Photos just released on the official Twitter account show DCL training with team 🤞🏻🤞🏻
Tony Abrahams
151 Posted 07/04/2023 at 12:10:19
I think Dyche, will make Dominic, a much better player Barry, because I believe a lot of his his offensive system is all about getting it played into the centre-forward’s feet?

I’m certain he will also make Lewin, much better on the floor, because he will be demanding him to get hold of the ball which enables second and third phase play. (Hopefully he can turn into another Cyril Regis😂👍)

McNeill has hit over some brilliant crosses in our last few games, but nobody has been there to attack the ball, and this is something I believe Dominic will thrive on.

Tony Abrahams
152 Posted 07/04/2023 at 12:18:26
Thank you Christine, this is something I am definitely aware of, but I also think there is so much mental health in society now, and it’s becoming easy for a lot of people to just blag it.

(I hadn’t read your post Kevin)

Phil@144, when he didn’t join the squad after the international break then I did start having suspicions that he might not play again this season, (something a few have already predicted on these pages) but I’m still clinging to the hope that because Dyche, has adapted a completely different approach to Dominic, than our last few managers, that he will reap the benefits of this approach in the future? I could be wrong.

Phil McKeown
153 Posted 07/04/2023 at 12:53:04
Tony (152)

I think Dyche is doing what any good manager would do publicly with his approach to this situation. The narrative has been pretty consistent with little deviation and little information.

I have been very critical of DCL and his unavailability, citing my scepticism that it was actually any injury at all. However as time ticks on, I am genuinely thinking thinking there may be something underlying going on

Brian Williams
154 Posted 07/04/2023 at 13:11:05
Some of the comments and so called reasoned opinions expressed on here towards one of our own players are a disgrace.
People who know the greater part of fuck all about DCL's injury/s, physical or mental state spouting complete shite.
The posts, and it's obvious which ones, only show a total lack of intelligence on the part of the poster/s.
Some of them show, and this isn't the first time I've made this point, that the name " the bitters" is well deserved by some.

Kevin Molloy
155 Posted 07/04/2023 at 13:32:22

and you know the true state of DCL's condition, and reasons for his continuihg absence?

I suspect like me, you don't. You are choosing to take his statements at face value, fair enough. I am not. I think he's scared of breaking down again and has agreed with himself to give it a good rest and go again in the close season, whether Everton are up or down.. That doesn't make you right, it's just your opinion. But fans are absolutely entitled to question and criticise his behaviour, and to be dubious, like I suspect the manager is, about whether he can play or not. If he had an injury, that would of course be different. But he doesn't. this is elite sport, he gets paid top end wages to cope with the slings and arrows, and to put up with the dialogue that floats around it all.

Paul Tran
156 Posted 07/04/2023 at 13:43:15
If Dyche says he isn't fit to play, I believe him. Doesn't matter how much it is mental or physical. We can speculate all we like about whether/how much he is injured or shirking, it doesn't alter the fact that the manager doesn't regard him as ready to play.

This appears consistent with Dyche's welcome attitude of seemingly waiting for players together to actually be fit to play before bringing them back on rhe pitch.

Brian Williams
157 Posted 07/04/2023 at 13:44:16
No I don't know. I know as much as you, which is fuck all.

I just choose not to make negative, inflammatory comments based on knowing fuck all.

I find that's usually best, for me anyway.

I just don't get the slating of somebody based on no knowledge of the facts.

It says more about the person making the comments than the person they're directed at.

Just my opinion of course.

Kevin Molloy
158 Posted 07/04/2023 at 13:46:20
wow, so is that the rule going forward, the players aren't to be criticised?
that might reduce the traffic here a bit.
still, you know best.
Christine Foster
159 Posted 07/04/2023 at 22:11:47
Tony, each of us have their own lifetime, a line that runs from cradle to grave, if we are lucky, that line is rarely dented or deviated by illness. In years gone by much about the human body was unknown, it was a given that it was just the way things were. Many of the conditions we now know, didn't have a name, never mind a diagnosis and people struggled with them oft not making it. Large scale mental institutions just put people away or subjected them to brutal surgical intervention, leaving the patient permanently damaged.
These days there seems to be a label for every condition, some sound frankly ridiculous and people are quick to point or look for a reason they are the way they are. But just because we now have labels does not mean that the condition doesn't exist or that it requires help or support.
There are no more large scale mental institutions where people are locked up for life. People are no longer told to just "man up" and get on with it, there is help.
That by far outweighs the hypochondriacs amongst us who want a label as a crutch. They exists without doubt but I would rather have the help and support now in place to deal with the many than the few.
Back to our centre forward. Assumptions. We really don't know what the hell is wrong, we assume it must be mental as well as physical, but there is no confirmation. And Kevin, of course a player can be critisized but surely only if he has a lifestyle that impinges on his ability to do his job on the pitch, thats fair enough. But to belittle his life outside of the game because it doesn't align with your own views is not fair or right.
Andy Crooks
160 Posted 07/04/2023 at 23:07:08
Kevin, you are not criticising players, you are calling one of our players a liar and accusing him of feigning injury. This is pure conjecture. Your post @146 was not sarcasm, it was a nasty little post that says an awful lot about you.

Mike Gaynes
161 Posted 07/04/2023 at 23:15:09
Paul #156 and Brian #157, agreed and agreed. I have trouble controlling my own patience sometimes, but I've never known a professional athlete who didn't want to be out there fulfilling his talent. Dyche's judgement has earned my trust so far.
Kevin Molloy
162 Posted 08/04/2023 at 10:34:17
right Andy well you seem to know exactly what is going here, thank heavens. you got here in time. I'd rather you didn't speak for me thanks, given your low opinion of the sort of person I am. I didn't call him a liar, or say he was feigning injury. If he was feigning injury, this would have been picked up by the doctors pronto. I said I think he is worried about breaking down again, and so has invented an excuse of a mental health crisis in order to keep entirely reasonable questions from his door, such as 'what's going on fella, the doc says you're now fit to play?' When I do that, I am drawing inferences from the previous behaviour of DCL. Behaviour such as his decision to dress as a schoolgirl before the whole world whilst being a striker in the Premier League. I really need convincing that a character of such confidence, moves from that to crushing self doubt within months. It's possible, but I think there are more likely explanations at hand when analysing the characters of professional footballers. Rather, I think his actions come from a place of vanity and self regard. Of course I can't know that for a fact. I am drawing inferences from the surrounding facts and his behaviour. Just as for instance I can't know that Bill Kenwright does not have Everton's best interests at heart, as I cannot peer into his soul. Do you see how this works?
Kevin Molloy
163 Posted 08/04/2023 at 11:06:30
to be totally honest yes I did criticise him at the time of his photo shoots. They did annoy me, him dressing as a school girl and wearing a manbag and all the rest of it. It felt like vanity and introspection, not something I would want from a no9. And it fits the pattern, Everyone wanting to run with the cool kids knows the playbook,' gender is a spectrum', 'here is me being brave and confessing I've had mental health battles' they all do the same thing. And when they are all doing the same thing, you have to question its authenticity. Today it's 'me and my mental health' 40 years ago was easier you just went and got a perm.
Tony Abrahams
164 Posted 08/04/2023 at 11:40:08
I was once told off a doctor to stop training Christine, but if I’d have took his advice, I know I’d have had even less energy, and I personally believe that a human beings greatest commodity is energy. I just hope Everton play with energy today!!

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