Everton 2 - 2 Tottenham Hotspur

Everton play what will be only their second home game in the Premier League of 2024 when Tottenham Hotspur come to Goodison Park for the Saturday lunchtime kick-off.

Sean Dyche is still without the services of Onana and Doucore but Gana returns with Coleman on the subs bench. Danjuma, who started against Fulham, is not involved today.

For the visitors, former Everton favourite, Richarlison, makes his first appearance at Goodison Park since leaving Everton in the summer of 2022,

James Garner kicked off back to Pickford for the hoof forward. And there were lots of wayward aerial balls to follow without much form until Spurs got the ball down and tried to work their first attack, getting pushed back into their own half. But they came bag through Udogie down the left and his cross was casually fired home by who else – Richarlison, easily picked out with no-one marking him.   

Everton tried to respond and a good cross was delivered to Calvert-Lewin but he could only head over despite a prodigious leap. Much chase-ball followed as Spurs made the most of their possession, Maddison's shot deflected wide for a corner that Hojbjerg drove over. 

Everton won a corner but there was too much physical presence around Vicario, who punched it clear regardless. Pickford found Calvert-Lewin with a good drive down the right but Garner dummied the crossfield pass and then wanted a foul after running across his marker. 

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But Everton did win a free-kick and that was worked to a corner but this time Michael Oliver was not allowing the three attackers around Vicario to prosper from that. Everton were at least trying to play up in their own haphazard fashion, winning another free-kick that McNeil delivered too deep. Crosses were played in but too easily cleared.

Gana found Mykolenko in space but McNeil's soft shot hit Harrison who had gone in front of him to the far post and was offside. 

Gana fed a lovely ball to Calvert-Lewin but he had advanced a foot offside and Van de Ven still won the encounter. Richarlison barely fouled Harrison for another Evrton free-kick which found Mykolenko but his cross was blocked away; however, the second phase yielded another corner with less pressure on Vicario and Calvert-Lewin unable to get it back on goal from beyond the far post. 

Everton kept plugging away but the crosses coming in were a big let-down, as Pickford almost got caught out trying to play the ball out.  Another cross from Young with no one on the end of it. But yet another Young cross at least won another corner. McNeil's excellent delivery this time was headed back by Tarkowski at the far post and in by Calvert-Lewin for a goal finally, from inside the 6-yard box, on his 200th appearance — only for it to later be awarded to Harrison! He still can't score! 

Gana went down in pain and needed treatment, scampering back on to immediately win the ball back and start an Everton attack. Everton were doing a decent job of pressing Spurs and denying them much space, but they still found it hard to take advantage, Harrison's cross not finding Calvert-Lewin despite good build-up work. 

In the next forward thrust, McNeil was fouled by Bentancur but the execution was not good enough, Branthwaite was eventually caught offside. But Spurs did come forward and Richarlison was set up again, this time from the edge of the area, beating Pickford all hands down. 

Ashley Young got annoyed with something but was not punished for fronting up to Romero then Van de Ven.  Gana cleverly stole the ball off Richarlison. Harrison then fed Calvert-Lewin on the run but he could not control the ball. 

Van de ven passed the ball straight to Gana who advanced and decide to shoot, deflected wide. The corner looked like it might go in but Godfrey's header was stopped on the line by Vacario and cleared before harrison could strike it.

But Everton kept up the pressure and another corner was won, Vacario getting to this one and batting it down where Braintwaite couldn't quite get to it before it too was cleared. 

A cross finally fell nicely for Mykolenko who smashed it goalward but Vacario saved as Garner was called for a clear push. And that brought to an end a half where Everton seemed to have dominated the play without really creating enough chances, while Richarlison had scored on both his forward forays. 

Everton won an early corner after the break but McNeil's delivery to the far post sailed over everyone and out of play. Calvert-Lewin was given a bouncing ball to run onto but it bounced off his head and behind him. Harrison tried but failed to lob Vacario.

Spurs advanced and Porro's goal-bound shot was well parried by Pickford. The Spurs corner was repelled, with Garner bear-hugging his opposite number. A great ball over the top set Harrison free but Van de Ven was back very quickly to put the ball behind for a corner that was cleared by Vacario.

At the other end, Maddison fed Werner who could not beat Pickford before the offside flag went up. Johnson tried to play in Werner but Godfrey got across him to scoop the ball behind for a Spurs corner that came to nothing. 

A headed clearance from Godfrey fell for Maddison to lash the ball goalward, well saved by Pickford. Everton surged forward, Godfrey appearing to win a corner off Van de Ven but the linesman thought otherwise, Godfrey booked for his protestations.  

A deep free-kick from Pickford would not fall for a Blues player and Spurs countered but to no effect. A Garner free-kick from the half-way line found Calvert-Lewin but he was too far out to trouble Vacario. Maddison almost got free but Godfrey was across well. The Spurs corner was effectively contained. 

Everton got forward but Godfrey's shot was weak, with Everton's pursuit of a second equalizer faltering as Spurs were handling the Everton press better in the second half.

Richarlison looked to have been set up by Kulesevski for his hat-trick but Pickford denied him. Coleman came on for Godfrey, who was struggling with a knock, the game going through a lull, Chermiti on for Young.

After a long dry spell, Coleman won Everton a corner, but Vacario now had the measure of McNeil's far post deliveries. Yet more subs destroyed any flow but a great ball from Dobbin should have been hammered home by Chermiti. It wasn't. 

Harrison was found by Gaana but the cross was away from Beto as Chermit tumbled under the slightest contact from Dargusin. Garner was booked for whatever he said to Michale Oliver in added time. Gana tried to feed Beto who was blocked off by Draguson. Dyche was then booked for his comments. 

A late Everton free-kick was delivered, Romero heading on to the far post where Branthwaite headed it in, with Vacario writhing in pain. The VAR looked for offside but could find none and the equalizer stood. 

Dobbin tackled Dragusin perfectly, winning the ball,  but was still shown a yellow card.

Everton: Pickford, Godfrey [Y:59'] (75' Coleman), Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Garner [Y:90+1'], Gana, Young (80' Chermiti), Harrison, McNeil (85' Dobbin [Y:90+6']), Calvert-Lewin (85' Beto). 

Subs: Virginia, Patterson, Keane, Hunt, Metcalfe.

Tottenham Hotspur: Vicario, Porro, Romero, Van de Ven, Udogie, Hojbjerg (89' Dragusin, Bentancur (64' Sarr), Johnson (64' Kulusevski), Maddison (86' Skipp), Werner (86' Gil Salvatierra), Richarlison.

Subs not Used:) Emerson, Forster, Davies, Scarlett.

Referee: Michael Oliver 

Attendance: 39,321


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Steve Cotton
1 Posted 03/02/2024 at 11:42:26
I assume one of the McNeils is Ashley Young?
Nick Page
2 Posted 03/02/2024 at 11:44:35
The only question for me is how they screw us out of this one….
Jeff Armstrong
3 Posted 03/02/2024 at 11:52:31
One McNeil is enough at the moment.
Phil Bickerstaff
4 Posted 03/02/2024 at 11:54:28
At White Hart Lane, or wherever they play, we were robbed

Every week we are robbed. Corrupt bastard Premier League.

Raymond Fox
5 Posted 03/02/2024 at 12:04:03
Well, Kane's no longer playing for them and their present best player is in Asia so that must give us some kind of a chance.

On the other hand, it shows how little Dyche has to choose from when Young is picked out of position.

With my optimistic hat on, maybe he could prove to be our secret weapon, we'll see.

Michael Kenrick
6 Posted 03/02/2024 at 12:05:16
Steve @1,

Jesus Christ... the fucking useless club website got me again! It <em>still says there's two of them! And I just copied it like a parrot.

Now I'm sick… as a parrot.

Alan J Thompson
7 Posted 03/02/2024 at 12:05:33
Interesting to see how Godfrey gets on without somebody like Young in front of him and who is supposed to sit off DC-L.
Iain Johnston
8 Posted 03/02/2024 at 12:10:12
We'll have a player sent off, 2 stonewall pens ignored & lose 1-0. Don't know why we fuckin bother.
Dale Self
9 Posted 03/02/2024 at 12:13:43
We…
Alan J Thompson
10 Posted 03/02/2024 at 12:14:20
Well that answers that then but where has that third keeper gone.
Tom Bowers
11 Posted 03/02/2024 at 12:20:51
No good hoping for anything from this one with what we have.
No offense to speak of so we may need a set piece goal to steal it if we can, otherwise it's another three points down the Swanee.

Would be nice for once to savor some of the RS fairy tales.

Robert Tressell
12 Posted 03/02/2024 at 12:27:37
Beto might have been a better player to exploit the space in behind today than DCL. Do we know why Danjuma isn't in the squad? Injury?
Phil Sammon
13 Posted 03/02/2024 at 12:29:42
Ankle injury for Danjuma apparently
Paul Kossoff
14 Posted 03/02/2024 at 12:35:12
One.nil three minutes oh dear.
Ernie Baywood
15 Posted 03/02/2024 at 12:37:13
We actually had the ball in a decent position but it fell apart with Myko and suddenly we're camped in our own half.

You can't just not play football in football matches.

Paul Kossoff
16 Posted 03/02/2024 at 13:00:56
GOOOOOOOOOOAAL👮👮👮✝️
Paul Kossoff
17 Posted 03/02/2024 at 13:12:59
Ritchie again 1 2😭
Raymond Fox
18 Posted 03/02/2024 at 13:24:32
Bloody typical just our MO, forced to sell him and sure enough up he pops.

I've said several times I'm sure we are cursed, we need a witch doctor.

George Cumiskey
19 Posted 03/02/2024 at 13:26:53
Harrison having his usual fucking stormer 🤬🤬
Alan J Thompson
20 Posted 03/02/2024 at 13:29:14
Thanks to Optus's bloody awful service, the game was 16 minutes old before they could give pictures or commentary.

Anyway, we had enough possession in good places but don't seem able to do anything of any substance. Calvert-Lewin had a yard/metre start but was caught in two strides and then we scored what I thought was a lucky goal but always welcome. Then down the other end we had too many players standing watching as Richarlison picked his spot.

They don't look too hot but we certainly look like bottom feeders. I'm sorry but we just aren't good enough despite the many reasons offered as to why it can't be improved.

Meanwhile back at the Optus search…

Jussi Zerni
21 Posted 03/02/2024 at 14:08:20
Young above Godfrey. Why not Patterson who could be better to play forward he is fast if you compere him to Young.

And if Calvert-Lewin is not scoring, why not give Beto a chance? If he doesn't produce, take Calvert-Lewin from the bench when he is fresh and defenders are tired.

If he could get scoring again, it would be great. But now is the time to give Beto a chance. And Young, he is too slow! How the hell is he better than Patterson???

Paul Kossoff
22 Posted 03/02/2024 at 14:27:42
Goooooalll😀😀😀👮👮👮✝️
Chris Gould
23 Posted 03/02/2024 at 14:33:00
James Garner is magnificent.
Alan J Thompson
24 Posted 03/02/2024 at 14:41:15
Got lucky and got a point.

I didn't think much of them but we look like relegation fodder whose best way of avoiding it is in our points appeal.

We get 15 metres/yards over the halfway line and totally run out of ideas never mind some sort of ability. Perhaps we should look at some sort of co-manager who has some idea of attack and set up while Dyche looks after the defence because that didn't look like we had any sort of idea near their penalty area.

That was fucking rubbish!

David West
25 Posted 03/02/2024 at 14:46:43
I'll just say this: that was not our best performance, but it shows that, with desire, aggression, determination and a will to win, we can compete against any side.

If we play like that against Palace, Brighton, Bournemouth, West Ham, we are capable of being well clear of the drop.

People don't like Young but I think we look so much better with him. Garner was excellent today. Big bad Jarrad!! Oozes class.

Teams like Spurs playing that high line suits us, there's space for the balls over the top. When we play teams with a deeper defensive line is where we will struggle.

Goodison Park is not going to see many more atmospheres like this one… immense!!

Jerome Shields
26 Posted 03/02/2024 at 14:46:59
Alan,

We got lucky with 7 minutes added on. All down to Richarlison's dying swan act.

Good point though, as David says. Good pressure on Luton.

David West
27 Posted 03/02/2024 at 14:48:57
Wouldn't say got lucky, I'd say got what we deserved, earned that point.
Anthony A Hughes
28 Posted 03/02/2024 at 14:55:54
Yes, a well-earned point. We could have folded and went under but we kept going.
Rob Jones
29 Posted 03/02/2024 at 14:56:18
Got lucky? As if. They had chances, so did we. Their second goal was a worldy, and their keeper made a lot of good saves.

We don't always have to do our own team down.

Steve Cotton
30 Posted 03/02/2024 at 14:57:09
Spot on David, we deserved that.

Also thought Gana was imperious today... we have missed him.

Brian Williams
31 Posted 03/02/2024 at 14:58:08
Alan #24.

No, what was rubbish was your post.

Iain Crawford
32 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:00:18
I wouldn't say it was a lucky point, it was a point earned by hard graft. There wasn't much in the way of quality but the sheer effort deserved a point. Ball retention in midfield and final passes today were below standard.

The late goal gives us a bit of positivity and belief in the coming week. With Doucoure back in training and Onana not far away, we will have our first-choice line-up back soon. The one that got us to 11th or 12th place before the points deduction. So some optimism to be had even though we didn't get the win.

Paul Kossoff
33 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:00:29
Fantastic performance from a weakened Everton, and in all honesty should have been three points. Apparently DLC didn't score so his drought goes on, if he's in any other team he's dropped.

For Dyche to say the other day that extra training for finishing is up to the player is a joke. Do your job, Dyche, you're the manager and should react to an obvious problem. Well done, the Blue Boys.

👮👮👮

Paul Smith
34 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:01:32
We were dreadful 2nd half and lucky to get a draw. We need some points back or it will be a close-run thing.

Pickford and Branthwaite are the only two quality players we have left.

John Charles
35 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:04:20
No luck involved. Good game by the Blues.

Couldn't really see the penalty claims from my seat in the Park End. We were the better side and deserved at least a draw.

Phil Grayston
36 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:06:11
What I see is a very tired, overstretched squad giving their all. Something at least we can identify with in the corrupt circus that is the Premier League.
Alan J Thompson
37 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:07:16
All I can say is that some of you set a low bar if you think that was good football.
Garry Martin
38 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:08:38
EFC Effort and commitment very prominent again today, however, final touch and finish is sadly lacking.
Keep the faith boys !

COYB's

Dave Cashen
39 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:09:32
Made up for the faithful inside Goodison Park – especially the Dannys of this world who traveled despite all the rail uncertainty.

That late equalizer came as a huge relief.

We fight on!

Tony Heron
40 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:11:43
Thought Garner, Gana and Pickford had good games.

The performance, as always, lacked quality. The desire and fight was there though and we deserved the point.

Wish we had someone like Maddison, good player.

Anthony A Hughes
41 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:11:55
I wouldn't say it was good football but, under the circumstances, with injuries and a stretched squad, it was a spirited effort against a side with more quality in nearly every position.
Paul Kossoff
42 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:13:36
Alan @38,

It's the points that count. How many times do you see the Red Shite play crap and still win or draw? No one says a word when it's them, a point's a point – no matter how you get it.

Well done, the Blues.

Tom Bowers
43 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:14:26
A point is a point and could be precious at the end of the season especially being behind twice.

They are fighting hard despite all the adversity.

Surely a few wins will come soon against RS and City. Well, one can dream, right !

Jerome Shields
44 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:15:39
Dyche needs to bring his Subs forward 7 minutes in future.
Frank Fearns
45 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:17:51
Alan @38.

Folk are not saying it was good football; they're saying it was a hard-fought point. There's a difference. Hopefully you can recognise that.

Peter Moore
46 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:21:38
Richi was our shining star for us when on song. He is on song again but for Spurs. The collective found a way to not lose against a better football team. The saying "the table does not lie" is wrong this season – we should be 12th but for the 10 points deducted by the corrupt process.

Given our record against Spurs recently and the lack of players available, particularly Doucoure, that is more a point gained than two points lost in my honest opinion, though I desperately wish for better of course.

UTFT.

Christine Foster
47 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:22:22
Well done, Blues, a well-deserved point I thought we wouldn't get. Class finishing by Richarlison.

They are a decent team, they may be better but sheer grit from the Blues was the leveller.

4:20 am... again, time for bed. I might even sleep!

Niall McIlhone
48 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:23:30
Pickford had to be at his imperious best today, and he was: there should be lots to feel good about today, given we were up against an in-form, free scoring Spurs team.
Watched the match on TNT, and rarely have I seen a more despondent post match interview than that with Postecoglu, who clearly thought his team had the points in the bag, bizarrely blaming the referee for allowing too many (perceived) fouls to go unpunished.
Big Ange looked at the floor and spoke under his breath for the entire interview. Good. Nothing better than seeing opposition managers leaving Goodison with tails between legs.
McNeil's current form is poor, perhaps he is not fully free of injury, and whilst Harrison is industrious, he gives the ball away too often. The return of a fit and firing Doucoure will make a big difference.
Dale Self
49 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:23:55
Paul Ferry told me I can't do ‘told ya so' but maybe he would look the other way for this:

Well, well, well. What do the slaggers have to say for themslves? Oh wait, just remembered, don't fucking care. And while that may be rude it seems most appropriate.

Dave Ganley
50 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:27:12
Fair dos, credit where credit's due.

I was scathing about them last week after the Luton debacle but they've come back with 2 draws against 2 decent teams.

I just wish they could put in that kind of effort and grit every week but I guess the lack of consistency is why we are where we are. Good response to last Saturday, nevertheless.

Jerome Shields
51 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:30:39
Everton are going to be in relegation dogfight mode this season, after losing points with not a ball kicked. A point counts, because of the pressure it inflicts on those teams around them, and the belief that Everton are better than their position adds to that.

In the turmoil of change of a relegation battle, every positive counts. It may even add to pressure on the Premier League.

Alan J Thompson
52 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:35:16
Paul #43 & Frank #46;

As I said, good to get a point but that won't always be the case until we show some improvement, especially around the opposition's penalty area in both open play and set pieces.

And let's be honest, Spurs aren't the best but it has to start with us improving our play. If we want to be better than three other clubs, and ain't that some target, then we need to have more idea as effort alone won't cut it.

It's just a start, not any sort of finished product, but then, mediocrity is more than an aim for us over this and the last few seasons.

Phil Lewis
53 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:36:16
A well deserved point for yet another gutsy performance.
Our 'G Men' Godfrey Gueye and Garner played well, along with Branthwaite. Pickford made some important saves but his distribution was lacking.

It was sheer effort and a refusal to surrender which got a result, there was little guile in the build up. But that's ok. Given our current selection situation plus off field restrictions, against a top four Tottenham, we held our own. Full marks to the team for that.

When all are fit and available, I would very much like to see a slight change in formation, at least as an alternative to playing two out and out wingers in the same team. I believe it makes us vulnerable at times and teams are often able to play through us with ease in the middle of the park.

Gomes and Doucoure can't come back quick enough for me. These are players who can hurt the opposition with a passing game through the middle. Not so Onana, who is yet to impress me. Although his return will also be welcomed.

David West
54 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:38:15
Alan 38... you can win games and get points without playing like Man City mate.

If you are expecting this squad to give you some glorious football to drool over, you're a few wafers short of a Kit-Kat, lad!!!

The fact you're expecting it is the real puzzle, have you watched us over the last 7 or 8 seasons??

The majority will be happy with the effort and spirit shown against one of the most in-form and productive front lines in the leauge in a match no one gave us a hope in!

UTFT!!!!


Christy Ring
55 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:41:05
Definitely a point gained, and don't understand the criticism.

In case you didn't know, Spurs are a top side in 4th place. I still think it's harsh not crediting Calvert-Lewin with the goal, his header was heading in and brushed off Harrison.

David West
56 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:41:05
And Alan, only Arsenal have scored more goals from set prices this season...
Alan J Thompson
57 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:50:52
David #56, Are you saying that you are happy with the way we play now so long as we don't get relegated? Well, you know where your kit kat belongs! As I said many years ago on Teamtalk, aim for mediocrity and just fail you are in a relegation battle, aim for the top and just fail and you might qualify for European competition.

How fallen are the mighty, how lost is our swagger?
The nearest we come now is asking how we struggle against the Luton's, Brentford's and Brighton's of this world, and now in all respects,

We are Everton, aren't we, or do you just pretend we were?

pete hughes
59 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:54:00
I would be more impressed if had scored more goals than Arsenal from open play tbh!
Jeff Armstrong
60 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:55:56
I thought we played okay today.

For the football purists: forget it, not going to happen, is it? What this team is about is fight, effort and a "don't give in" attitude, which is how we won a point today – not pretty but effective.

Raymond Fox
61 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:56:40
Happy pills, anyone?

We were playing a Top 4 side, what do some people expect?
We know there isn't any Top 6 players playing for us except Pickford and maybe Branthwaite in time.

What do you want? Superb skills and dazzling moves, the squad is moderate and in need of reinforcements which is not going to happen.

Dyche is doing a very good job for me under a lot of pressure, he would love to have a few of the top sides best players I've no doubt to join it all together.

Michael Kenrick
62 Posted 03/02/2024 at 15:57:11
Christy @55:

"I still think it's harsh not crediting Calvert-Lewin with the goal, his header was heading in and brushed off Harrison."

Just shows exactly how stupid football has become, as if we didn't know or needed any confirmation but, if that brushes off a defender instead, it's Dominic's goal and not an own-goal — because it was goal-bound.

Just plain stupid — like the handball rules.

James Hughes
63 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:01:47
Alan, just to say from my armchair the presenters were saying what a great game of fottie and they would love another 45 minutes.

I do get where you are coming from as a lot of the crosses into the box were overhit and our play in the final third was slapdash.
But you must admit our will to win and deisre today was impressive and only our ex player scoring two high quality goals gave them a point.

Frank Fearns
64 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:09:25
Alan. No pretending from anyone. We all wish for sublime football from our beloved blues but realistically not a dog's chance with years of crap management and dreadful signings.

It is what it is and that is a mediocre squad who have to scrap for every point. One day mate? We all hope.

Jack Convery
65 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:20:05
VAR gives Luton a penalty! Ref tells Luton to take it again after taking it before he blew his whistle. Scores!!!!!
Bill Gall
66 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:20:20
Well, we don't have the players with the skill set to change the game, but we have a team that are willing to fight for the full game to get a result. It may not look pretty, or what we would all like to see, but our sole object for the rest of the season is to put us beyond the relegation candidates.

This was a hard-fought game against a Top 4 team who I think has not lost at Goodison Park for a few seasons. Let's enjoy what we get instead of complaining, they are few and far between.

Mick O'Malley
67 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:20:53
Alan @ 57 I completely agree, it's the acceptance of mediocrity I can't get my head round, I'll never settle for mediocrity.

Ross Barclay running the game and Luton 2-4 up at Newcastle, there having a right go and scoring plenty.

Andy Crooks
68 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:21:03
Alan @57, the second paragraph of your post is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read on this site.
You actually think that we "choose" where we aim? God almighty, that is a collectors item.
David Bromwell
69 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:22:34
Well I really enjoyed the game and, given all the circumstances, it was a very well-earned point.

I just want to mention Ben Godfrey, who I thought had a terrific game. He looked fit, very fast and committed. I do hope he did not pick an injury, and if he is okay, I think he deserves a run in the side.

Kieran Kinsella
70 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:22:53
Masters says we continued to spend excessively yet the star we were forced to sell scores two against us while the cheap signing from Carlisle saves the day.

I wasn't able to watch the game so I'll offer my view anyway. Hibbert was crap.

Paul Kossoff
72 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:24:02
Luton 4 2 up. Didn't stay out the bottom three long, did we.
Alan J Thompson
73 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:24:35
James #63;

I appreciate your thoughts on our actual play in this game but I don't go in for much of what presenters, paid to partly sell the product that employs them, have to say.

We do, however, at least agree that our play could be improved without resorting to the "what do you expect from a squad this weak" and especially around the opposition's penalty area where none of our players seem to get or know what to do when they get there.

We do seem to concentrate on making it difficult to score against us, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I do feel we should spend as much time working out how at least to get more players into attacking position and to know where our other players are, what alternatives we have and where to move when the "line leader" makes his move which seems to be missing at the moment albeit it has improved, players in the box, recently.

Paul Kossoff
74 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:28:02
Newcastle 3 Luton 4.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
75 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:32:16
Just to repeat - We have earned more points in the last 38 games than Brighton. Yes, Brighton. Everyone's favourite team if you support someone else.

We could play wonderful football if we were playing teams from the Cheshire County 2nd division. But we played a team that is 4th in the Premier League. Yes, we should be disappointed that they didn't sit off and let us pass it around them. Oh for the days of Ball, Harvey and Kendall or Reid, Bracewell, Steven and Sheedy. Sadly, those days are gone and picking up four hidden gems are long gone.

I bet most on here wanting glorious flowing football with the qualify of players we can afford probably do the lottery every week and are disappointed when they don't win the jackpot.

BTW - "wafers short of a Kit-Kat". Not heard that one before. Great.

Alan J Thompson
76 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:32:31
Andy #68;

We don't choose, we've given in to it, accepted second best. At the time I wrote that on TeamTalk many years ago, the club budgeted for an 11th-place finish so you know where your ridiculousness belongs. Do try to keep abreast, pal.

Dave Abrahams
77 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:41:26
Well, with the squad so small and depleted further today, with little on the bench to improve it, I was delighted with that point – another to the collection that will keep us up.

I mentioned the poor subs bench, got to say the best move of the second half should have got us level earlier than we finished with a little run by Dobbin and an excellent pass that Chermiti should have put away.

We had five bookings, did Spurs get any?

Then we had to wait for the Villians And Rogues to give the nod to our goals, mind you we were amazed it went in our favour twice! Michael Oliver must have been livid with them.

Dyche deserves praise not criticism for his work this season.

Alan J Thompson
78 Posted 03/02/2024 at 16:49:48
Phil #75,

That is the perfect example I've been getting at, we've got more points than Brighton over 38 games and finished where behind them this and last season? Even their youth reserves won't come on loan to us for half a season. Still, we have those 38 games.

Andy Crooks
79 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:05:20
Cheers, Alan, you've compounded it. So you reckon this summer the club should budget for a Top 4 position? Me too.

Our club are in a perilous position, we battle to come back and rescue a point against a side who will be challenging for a Champions League place and it displeases you. Who is saying we are playing good football, by the way?

Mick @ 67, you will never accept mediocrity? What does that mean? How are you demonstrating your non-acceptance? If it's by coming on here complaining and ridiculing the rest of us who you seem to think are happy with things, then you need to come up with a new plan.

Mike Price
80 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:12:16
Wish we’d have signed Barkley, maybe useful for next season if he’s on a free again.
David West
81 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:13:28
Alan @ numerous posts

Yes, I am happy with the way we play now so long as we don't get relegated!

Aren't you???

With no point deduction, we are 12th! With the financial conditions Dyche has been working under, I'd say 12th would mean he's doing okay, if he keeps us up with the biggest point deduction in Premier League history, I won't moan about performances like today, I'll congratulate him!

No one's excepting that this is good enough for our club. But when people say that was a decent performance, it's relative to our situation.

You are taking 2 and 2 and making 47 mate. No one I can see is proclaiming a wonderful performance today.

I could understand fans anger after Luton & even Fulham, but your original post with "that was fucking rubbish" seems harsh.

You may not rate Spurs, but they are 4th for a reason.

You may think we're shit at set-peices but we are second only to Arsenal at goals from them.

You may think that today was not an improvement on recent games, which is subjective, but I think most would have thought it was a lot better than recent matches.

Kieran Kinsella
82 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:15:15
Is there a reason other clubs don't come out onto the pitch accompanied by music from old TV shows? Coronation Street, Whickers World etc?
John Charles
83 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:15:55
I will never accept mediocrity.
I will tell the team and the club when we are shit
And when we don’t win the league - 9 times in 144 years - I will be livid!
Alan J Thompson
84 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:24:16
Andy #79;

It's seeing what is in front of you. Do you see any sort of co-ordination when we attack, overlapping full-backs, wingers taking on full-backs, midfielders streaming through the channels, players moving into gaps left by our main striker's movement, any sort of an attacking plan? Even at the level I played we had a plan for throw-ins, as that Coach said, the most set-piece plays in the game.

What should we budget for? Where have you been, Andy, we're going broke, relegation means bankruptcy, we're in more trouble than a few million over a £105M 3-year loss, try near £500 or £600 million which we would be unable to meet even the interest payments if we are in the Championship (Second Division sounds a lot more appropriate).

Andy, see the light and try less to score points.

Brent Stephens
85 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:24:20
A well-earned point against a top side.

Dyche has instilled in this squad the tenacity to come back from being a goal down. Not once but twice in this game. No lying down accepted, no lack of fight tolerated (unless you're on ToffeeWeb).

Kevin Edward
86 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:27:20
My eyes and ears tell me that this was a great point earned.
This Everton can't boss games against the top 6, but playing to our strengths and not giving up pays dividends.

How many times have we conceded early and folded like a deck chair? This team has a bit more to offer and when fully fit will improve.

The ‘winnable' games remaining and those against teams around us will define the season.

All games are ‘winnable' but in some the planets need to align and we're Everton, we don't do planets.

Mike Price
87 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:29:00
Not too sure about our powers of recovery and tenacity, apparently that's only the second point rescued from a losing position all season.
Dale Self
88 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:29:05
Alan 73,

Piling on here, how do you think that plan to get more players in the box and to see other players will be implemented?

That is some deep analysis: What should we do? Well, we need to get more players in the box. Splendid, now what?

John Keating
89 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:31:27
Kieran 82,

Take the piss all you want about “old tv shows”. Is it a big deal? Is it a bit of a nightmare to you? To some of us, it's part of us.

I went when we never had “music from old TV shows”. But then we did and, for me personally, I love it.

I don't give a shit about all the “modernisation” of the game. I'm a Luddite.

Colin Malone
90 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:33:07
Harrison and McNeil need dropping. Why Dyche plays Harrison is beyond me.

Why he subs Calvert-Lewin every game is also baffling. Why does he make it very late, to change things?

Harrison and McNeil were shite and have been shite for weeks, why are they guaranteed their place?

Peter Mills
91 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:36:36
I am appalled that we are not competing at the top level, and that we don't have excellent strikers like, erm, Richarlison.

I am dismayed we are in the Bottom 3 of the league, through no fault of the players or fans.

But this is the situation we are in. Today, our football was inelegant, and it looked like Spurs had the game boxed off in the second half. But they didn't. Due to the resilience and the resolve of our players, they fought to gain a valuable point. Good on them.

Barry Rathbone
92 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:37:33
Another good point against a club miles ahead of us using any metric.

And expecting anything like good football from limited players is fantasy the only tool we have at our disposal is belligerence. Given it wasn't too long ago that going behind meant game over it's worthy of comment that these players no longer collapse in such circumstances.

The size of the task facing Dyche & Co is monumental but they're in there having a go, bobbing and weaving scrapping for every point. I'm happy to salute them.

Sam Hoare
93 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:38:52
We weren't that far away from getting no points today and Luton getting 3. So I'm fairly happy with how we battled and how things swung.

Crucially it's a point gained on Palace and hopefully Nottm Forest who I think look 2 of the most likely for the drop alongside us and Burnley and Sheffield Utd. Luton, sadly, seem to be playing out of their skin (but will hopefully fall off at some point).

We now have 4 teams within 5 points of us and a better goal difference than all of them.

The team spirit looks great and getting Doucoure back will be massive. We're through most of the fixture congestion now with some more winnable games after Man City.

It will be tight but I feel more confident of us staying up this season then I have for the last 2. Getting even 3 or 4 points from the appeal could be crucial. But even if the appeal fails I think this team looks organised and capable of scraping points against most teams.

Palace at home on the 19th looks vital, let's hope Eze and Olise are still out for them.

Jim Bennings
94 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:39:00
A solid point but back in the relegation zone with Man City away next Saturday.

Could obviously all look different of course if we get a favourable outcome with the points deduction appeal but right now it's tense again.

The Crystal Palace home game after Man City looks massive and is quite simply a must-win.

We can't have too many games where we take a point now, well after next weekend anyway.

Jim Bennings
95 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:39:00
A solid point but back in the relegation zone with City away next Saturday.

Could obviously all look different of course if we get a favourable outcome with the points deduction appeal but right now it's tense again.

The Palace home game after City looks massive and is quite simply a must win.

We can't have too many games where we take a point now, well after next weekend anyway.

Mark Murphy
96 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:39:49
A good game that we deserved at least the point we got. This team is better than the other 5 relegation prospects at least.
UTFT!
Brent Stephens
97 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:41:38
Mike #87 you missed my point - which is only that we can come back from the opposition taking the lead.

I said nought about the final result, a "point rescued". We might come back from being a goal down and still lose the game – but that's still coming back from being a goal down. Subtle difference.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
98 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:49:32
Sam, and if we get half out points back we will be above them all.

Alan, read it carefully — we have gained more points than Brighton. The Premier League is why we are not above them. Brighton are 13 points worse than last season. Without the Premier League, we would be 15 better.

David West
99 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:53:44
Colin @90.

Who are you playing instead of Harrison & McNeil?

Harrison was in the Doucouré position today which I think he looks better in. When Doucouré is back, who are you playing on both wings, considering you are dropping both our only natural wide players??

Alan J Thompson
100 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:53:55
Dale #88,

Don't be daft, when the players arrive, so should the ball. The idea of alternatives as I mentioned in #84 should provide opportunity to provide same. Doucoure hasn't scored his 8, is it, by standing in the penalty area waiting but by arriving late.

It was said that it was Bryan Robson's strength but it is how good strikers operate, good centre forwards don't just stand on the penalty spot.

If you have an over lapping full back and winger who are not progressing then it should be played inside to a midfielder. With that number of players you can either play through that side to get a cross in or switch to the opposite side of the pitch which might provide a winger against a full-back or an overlapping full-back unmarked or heaven help us that we have somebody who can take on and beat a player that creates at least space. Then the players on one of those sides stream, move if you prefer, into the penalty box.

That's the simple side of it, keeping up? That even leaves the option of playing it back to a central defender and starting all over again.

What do you watch in games? Albeit present-day Everton tend to just welly it long and hope for the best.

Dan Parker
101 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:54:12
Agent Holgate!
Mike Price
102 Posted 03/02/2024 at 17:54:22
If we get half the points back, they'll just hit us with the same penalty for the second charge,
Alan J Thompson
103 Posted 03/02/2024 at 18:00:56
2AM: thanks, Gentlemen, and erm, good morning.
Dale Self
104 Posted 03/02/2024 at 18:06:30
So Alan, which of those players are unmarked? It seems as if you are assuming the players will be unmarked or that defenders will follow players' runs. This is not the case.

How many advances were stopped by defenders closing in and blocking the passing lane? That indicates the lack of overall speed is the problem not just positioning. No defenders are fully following our runs, they cheat into the lane.

By the time the angle for a pass develops a defender is closing down that option or the ball. It is overall speed that is the problem and you can't coach that into players.

Alan J Thompson
105 Posted 03/02/2024 at 18:17:24
Dale#104;

If defenders don't follow players' runs then that is where you should be looking, have you even read what you have written?

If the defender doesn't go with his man then that is the man you look for, it is what it is about, a man unmarked with room or creating a one-on-one situation somewhere even if it is just one striker against one defender trying to get on the end of a cross.

My point is, when do you see Everton doing this? And if you have the ball and can play one touch then the defender is always chasing.

Goodnight!

Dale Self
106 Posted 03/02/2024 at 18:31:43
You missed the part about passing lanes being blocked, Alan. You are simplifying the problem to the point of absurdity. All attacking first options are typically covered when slow as fuck.

At that point you are left with options that threaten the defensive shape on a turnover. Without players who are good on the ball and have vision for the pass forward your solutions are imaginary.

Billy Shears
107 Posted 03/02/2024 at 18:46:57
I thought we'd lose this one...a decent point gained but next week we have to much better!
Robert Tressell
108 Posted 03/02/2024 at 18:49:05
Dale, no one talked of passing lanes 35 years ago when we were last good so they don't exist. We just need two up top in a 4-4-2 and crosses into the box. And quite why Pickford doesn't pick up backpasses, I have no idea.
Pat Kelly
109 Posted 03/02/2024 at 19:00:02
How boring our games would be if we didn't have the 10-point deduction. I still want them back though.
Jerome Shields
110 Posted 03/02/2024 at 19:03:53
Luton got a draw. It is going to be interesting permutations till the end of the season. Nottingham Forest are a better bet, with the points deduction hanging over them.

Points deduction really is a poor way of sanctioning a club, because it is an added factor in the relegation dogfight, but unfairly for only certain clubs.

Nick Schaefer
111 Posted 03/02/2024 at 19:18:33
Hi everyone. I am Nick from Pennsylvania in the USA. I am a long-time reader of the articles and comments here. Really enjoy this site. First time posting.

I thought Everton showed a lot of resolve getting a point today-coming back twice. I think all of our midfielders being out has made things quite difficult. We need Doucoure and Onana back!

Stu Darlington
112 Posted 03/02/2024 at 19:28:50
A good point earned. We could have easily folded and lost this not so long ago but the effort today could not be faulted.

However, even if we finish outside the Bottom 3, the second charge against us may well mean we still end up in the relegation zone if found guilty. If the penalty for the first charge is a points deduction, the penalty for a second similar offence must also be a points deduction, mustn't it? I mean, the Premier League must be fair and consistent in its application of the rules, mustn't it?

Did I just do that? Mention the Premier League and fairness and consistency in the same sentence? The world really has gone mad!!

Andy Meighan
113 Posted 03/02/2024 at 21:10:26
Phil 75.

What a ridiculous post.

Does it really matter about Brighton, even if they give us 6, 8 or the full 10 points that we earned back, we wouldn't be a better side than them.

What really is your point, please? I'm dying to know.

I'm sick of people quoting ridiculous stats.

My point is we are a very poor side who are totally reliant on one man: Doucoure — and how sad is that? Because, let's face it, he's not the most graceful of footballers but he's our only goal threat from open play.

Sad… it really is.

Colin Callaghan
114 Posted 03/02/2024 at 21:17:47
Mike #102,

But Nottm Forest will not get any points back.

Brian Wilkinson
115 Posted 03/02/2024 at 21:55:33
Keiran @82,

Man City come out to An American Werewolf in London, West Ham come out to Michael Jackson. Once we move to the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, get new owners, and bring in world beaters, we could upgrade and trot out to the Rising Damp theme.

Not sure what issue you have with Z-Cars or old TV themes… It could be worse: you could follow Oldham and have Mouldy Old Dough to contend with or bloody Deliah at Stoke.

Jim Wilson
116 Posted 03/02/2024 at 22:00:56
The much-maligned Gana Gueye was excellent today.

And the bonus is that he helps Garner's game immensely.

Gueye was one of the main reasons Everton had that great run of 4 wins on the bounce.

Tony Abrahams
117 Posted 03/02/2024 at 22:08:53
Jim Bennings is usually the voice of impending danger but maybe he his the voice of reason when he says we won't get nothing at Man City next week.

My view of Everton is that our players are tired. They battled on to gain a point today but I think this is because fighting has been slowly getting instilled back into the team since Sean Dyche got the job and it was this type of spirit that kept us going until the end today.

If I was Dyche, I'd play a very weakened team at Man City next weekend, whilst putting two fingers up at the Premier League.

We allegedly liaised with the league, and they have watched us slowly being weakened over the last few years, and how we have suffered for trying to bring ourselves into line.

This season was different and even though we had to get rid of more young talent, and be very economical in the transfer market, we never looked like we were going to be in trouble until the league decided to deduct 10 points from us.

We got those points back, then suffered from a couple of very poor decisions in the games against Spurs and Man City, and then we were on our knees for the Wolves game.

We have a very small squad which has been pushed to the limit by this points deduction so, with nobody helping us, we should go and help ourselves by playing a very weakened team against Man City, thus allowing the bulk of our squad another two weeks rest before the Palace game.

When someone has got it in for you, the usual thing to do is fuck them right back, so I would love it if Everton decided to put two fingers up to everyone next Saturday, with a message that says we are now only interested in looking after ourselves.💙

Jonathan Oppenheimer
118 Posted 03/02/2024 at 22:19:02
I'm in the proud-of-the-boys camp on this one. No one is happy that we have such an average squad, but that's the truth, and as such, I'm happy when we're both improving (on the last few seasons) and fighting hard. Both of those are happening. A little more quality in the final third and we'd start getting 3 points out of more matches like this one.

I didn't think I'd find myself saying that playing Ashley Young is the right move, but in this case, I think it was. I still wish Dobbin would get on sooner and still think Calvert-Lewin needs a rest, or at least Beto deserves 60 minutes.

Tarkowski continues to be a beast in defense but is prone to mistakes with the ball at his feet, as with the first goal conceded. Garner had a great match today. Good to have Gana back, and he was mostly solid, though I thought he could've done better on both goals we gave up.

I've heard a lot of talk about dreading where we'd be without Tarkowski this season, but I can't fathom where we'd be without Branthwaite, having to play Keane or Godfrey at centre-back each week. He's worth at least £80 million now, just an absolute stud. Good to see him get that goal.

Onward and upwards towards safety.

Stuart Sharp
119 Posted 03/02/2024 at 22:21:11
Jim @116,

Fully agree. He's driven me bonkers with some of his mistakes and daft shots this season, but he makes us a lot harder to beat.

Today, I particularly loved him returning to the pitch after treatment, running down the pitch and immediately winning possession back.

Colin Malone
120 Posted 03/02/2024 at 22:24:11
David @ 99.

What use is Harrison? Cannot go past a player, easily knocked off the ball, cannot tackle or retrieve the ball, no understanding with his right back.

Ashley Young, was unlucky to be subbed, for the sake of Harrison. As a Number 10, he is even worse. He is definitely not a James Rodriguez. He is a Dyche-type player, James Rodriguez was not a Dyche-type player.

McNeil is a confidence player with no right foot, a right foot for standing on. Totally left-footed, cannot get out of jail with his right foot, whatsoever.

We miss Doucoure, David? OMG. Gomes has more guile in his left toe, but he is not a Dyche-type player.

If Dyche stays, the school of science is history. Hoofball will hopefully save us, but count me out!

Jim Wilson
121 Posted 03/02/2024 at 22:46:54
Tony @ 117 - a great summary.

Imagine being one of the players and for 2 years you were battling against relegation and all that goes with it, the tension, pressure, lack of confidence, no freedom to try things.

Then finally, things start to look up, only for some unjust ruling to knock you back down, compounded by unjust rulings on the pitch: Calvert-Lewin's goal ruled out at Spurs, Man City's penalty, Calvert-Lewin's sending off. It is enough to make you give up.

So well done lads, keep it going just a little longer and hopefully we will be okay, if there is any justice!

Jim Wilson
122 Posted 03/02/2024 at 22:55:46
Stuart @ 119,

The great thing about Gueye is that he does not hide, he will keep trying. A lot of his good work is stopping the opposition from playing and unselfishly helping his teammates.

Like I've said before, I think we get the best out of Garner when he plays and Garner did well today.

Si Cooper
123 Posted 03/02/2024 at 23:18:07
Alan, what does the ‘J' stand for? Jehovah? Because you are coming across as convinced you are all-seeing and all-knowing while the rest of us are basically as naive as Adam and Eve before their illicit snacking.

Who or what is Teamtalk? You are far from the only person to notice or complain that in the past the club hierarchy were far too comfortable with the ‘best of the rest' tag.

The budgeting you complain about was years ago though. For a while, we spent a whole lot more than you should need to secure 11th and we got worse. That is why we are in our current financially constrained situation.

So it's not just as simple as aiming high; you've got to have nous about how to actually get there (and probably some luck along the way) – just like to beat teams like Spurs, you can't simply ignore relative strengths and weaknesses and send your players out to play with glorious disdain for anything but ‘entertaining' footy.

Spurs have found a cracking young and very quick central defender to really back up their wealth of attackers and midfielders. They are back to where Pochettino had them briefly when it looked like they might have actually properly ascended to the Top 4.

John Keating
124 Posted 03/02/2024 at 23:43:55
I have to say, in my games where we can get points to survive, Spurs were not one of them. I had us down for a loss.

Great result

Phil Greenough
125 Posted 03/02/2024 at 00:03:08
Kieran @ 82.

If you knew your history, you would know that the old TV show theme was based on a traditional Liverpool folk song called Johnny Todd.

Seafaring is our heritage and you want to demean it by relating it to Z-Cars?

Yes, it was adopted by the Blues in the 1960s from when the TV series came out. However, the rationale behind Evertonians being drawn to it, was probably our fathers' and forefathers' maritime history.

Jeff Armstrong
126 Posted 04/02/2024 at 00:08:32
Good shout that, Tony @117,

Klopp would go into meltdown if we played Virginia, Hunt, Metcalfe, Chermiti, Dobbin, Patterson etc at the Etihad, get on the phone to your old Forest mates and make it happen.

John Raftery
127 Posted 03/02/2024 at 00:25:33
An excellent point, well earned in what was an exciting game. We were outplayed for much of the second half but hung on when many Everton teams of recent seasons would have folded. In the end, we got a break with the second equaliser. A defeat would have been harsh.

The two central midfielders, Gana and Garner were superb. Both worked their socks off with numerous interventions and used the ball constructively. Once again, Ashley Young brought control and composure to a team which plays better with him in it. That's the reason why Dyche picks him.

In spite of a severely depleted squad, we have gained three draws from the last three games against opponents, Villa, Fulham and Spurs, to whom we suffered three defeats in the first half of the season. That represents progress.

I don't think Dyche is the sort of manager to view the Man City match as one from which we cannot get something. He will certainly field his strongest available team.

Andy Crooks
128 Posted 04/02/2024 at 00:42:00
Colin @120, so Harrison is not Rodriguez? Well spotted.

What does counting you out mean, by the way?

Simon Dalzell
129 Posted 04/02/2024 at 00:53:56
''It's obviously never going to be an easy game here. You have to deal with a fair bit.''

Well said, Mr Postecoglou. Music to my ears. Let's keep it that way. We may not have the talent of some, but the desire from players and fans is Everton all over.

I'm with Colin (120). If Dyche keeps us up, well done. The prospect of Dyche ball next season is frightening. I for one will not be making the 160-mile trip so often. Count me out also.

Dan Murphy
130 Posted 04/02/2024 at 02:23:39
Everton - Spurs
Shots: 14-9
On target: 5-6
Corners: 9-5
Expected goals: 2.89-0.85. (@xGPhiliosophy)

In Australia post-match had to listen to Osman and Sherwood crap on about how Spurs had controlled the game, and Everton nicked a draw. Then there was that dismal mumbling interview where 'Big Ange', acting like his dog just got run over, bemoaned us 'only having set pieces' and the ref not protecting his goalie.

Rubbish. Postecoglou was outcoached by a superior football brain. Most of the time we had Spurs where we wanted them. Ange is a one-trick pony favouring a high-speed possession game. When that doesn't work, he is bollocksed.

Despite having the pick of last season's available creative attacking talent in the Premier League (Maddison and Johnson), he couldn't come up with a way of scoring that didn't involve some high-quality finishing from the player we were forced to sell to them by a bent Premier League system.

Be merry, fellow toffees. We have a top drawer manager and good players who are up for the fight.

We're gonna do this.

Ernie Baywood
131 Posted 04/02/2024 at 03:45:10
I'm not convinced you can call that "top draw", Dan.

We believe in the ball long from Pickford. Decent teams should deal with that.

Now if that was just a tactic against a specific Spurs issue then fair enough. And yes it did have some success in forcing them into errors because they insist on that Kamikaze high line.

But it's dreadful and isn't too dissimilar to what we do elsewhere. We play football (well arguably we play football) that hopes for opposition mistakes.

I believe we'll be competitive but lose against Man City. We'll be competitive against most teams. We just won't really create anything.

xG... it's nonsense. Those numbers don't relate to the actual game.

Derek Knox
132 Posted 04/02/2024 at 04:20:03
While a great improvement on the last two games, refereeing decisions denied us a penalty (one a stone-waller) again, no surprises there, we could have, should have etc. Basically Richarlison and Madison were their main architects and threats.

Still wasting possession and poor passing, as well as being profligate around goal, but positive signs with a threadbare squad, and most of the results around us going favourably. Man City away next, will be a tougher test!

Kieran @ 82, the Clangers or the Teletubbies could be a good one for us! :-)

Kieran Kinsella
133 Posted 04/02/2024 at 04:46:37
John, Brian & Phil,

I'm sorry for having a go at Z-Cars, I'm just in a cantankerous mood given that we should be on 29 points but we are in the relegation zone facing a further points deduction.

Although, John Keating, you may be biased as the composer was your namesake. I just all of a sudden felt irritated watching the players run out to this mediocre music from a mediocre show and it just seemed so Kenwright just latching into the Golden Vision from 60 years ago when the architect of our demise, the late great Kenwright let us stagnate and rot while buying us off with nostalgia.

I guess I'm a bitter blue. If we had something to cheer about then great but just tapping our emotions with music from halcyon days of old smacks of opiate of the people. No offense to composer Johnny Keating or Brian Blessed and Co.

I'm just fed up with the “we had great times” mantra while those marveling in those times from a lifetime ago profited from our demise. Z-Cars was just an innocent bystander in my emotional reaction to our situation. I apologize to all who were offended.

Si Cooper
134 Posted 04/02/2024 at 04:59:30
Kieran, why do you call it 'mediocre'?

If you are going to criticise the music (which is unadorned but still makes the hairs on my neck rise and sends a thrill of anticipation down my spine – I'm full-on Pavlov dog with it) you have to at least come up with an alternative.

Alan J Thompson
135 Posted 04/02/2024 at 06:22:58
Si #123 (an old darts expression);

Thanks for seeing my contribution that way but no, that is not what J represents in my case. I'm not all seeing, all knowing but I do think that the basics of football answers questions like, "How do you get men forward?"

The basics? Using and moving into space, making runs that create space which means players understanding each other and/or having the ability to beat an opponent.

Many years ago amongst professional players I knew, it was known as the Scouse way of playing football, the 5-yard pass and move, not that it was the only place where it was played that way.

I still recall John Hurst hurtling from outside the penalty area to the near post on corners and Alex Young doing similar from the back post or Joe Royle starting his run from the far corner of the penalty box or even Mike England starting his run at corners from the halfway line.

And if you think I'm the only person to hold this view then think on how many times you've read here, "Don't seem to be able to pass to each other", or words to that effect.

Oh, and TeamTalk was a site before, I think, ToffeeWeb started or at least was one of the few to my knowledge at that time. (Sigh, if only I had been all-knowing.)

Steve Brown
136 Posted 04/02/2024 at 06:24:01
Derek @ 132,

I think the Benny Hill theme song should be the signature tune for the Kenwright and Moshiri era.

Paul Ferry
137 Posted 04/02/2024 at 06:32:16
Richarlison is absolutely class as a footy player, a human being, someone who cares, and someone who gives so much back to his part of Brasil where he grew up in rags not riches.

His respect and affection for us after scoring 2 was lovely in this fucking Masters era Premier League of sleaze, greed, and me me me.

We were lucky to have him for as long as we did. We touched him. And when he hangs his boots up he will be an Evertonian not a Spud.

Those pictures with the flare will never leave me.

Derek Thomas
138 Posted 04/02/2024 at 07:17:25
Kevin Edward @86;

Our true form is 29 points worth and at that level, no, we won't boss Top 6 sides, but we can, a lot of the time, stop them from bossing us too much, so full credit to Dyche and the lads.

Paul Birmingham
139 Posted 04/02/2024 at 07:53:20
A hard-earned point and it will be key at the end of this season.

Not always good to watch in terms of flowing football but the players dug in and believed. The old cliché of grinding out results has always been true in football.

Battle fatigue with such a tight squad will be a challenge but hopefully we get Doucoure back fit soon and more chances will be converted. Optimism is the foundation for success and on to the next game.

Let's focus on Everton and fuck the rest of the other Premier League teams.

UTFTs!

Danny O’Neill
140 Posted 04/02/2024 at 07:56:39
I'm ambivalent on Z-Cars. I know it's part of our identity but it's used by Watford and has previously been used by Sunderland as well as Wokingham.

And apparently the writer, Fritz Spiegel, an Austrian who ended up in Liverpool, was a season ticket holder at Anfield.

I much prefer Spirit, Forever and Marching (I know Mark!!)

Unique to Everton.

Eddie Dunn
141 Posted 04/02/2024 at 08:01:04
Tony @117.

I like your sentiments but remember that our goal difference is superior to all of the teams around us and gives us an important advantage.

Playing a weakened team could result in a big loss (I suppose a full-strength side could also get thumped) but it would be madness to waste any advantage we have.

However, we looked arguably more dangerous with Dobbin and Beto on, so maybe it's time to rest Mc Neil, who has looked knackered for weeks now.

Si Cooper
142 Posted 04/02/2024 at 08:04:47
Alan J, you are still not conceding that the opposing players can be very adept at punishing teams that get fixated on playing the ball ‘through' the opposition, and so very few teams nowadays are that committed to playing that way.

Brighton are one of those clubs that seem to stay true to those principles but, every now and then, they get pummelled by teams that have learnt how to press as a unit.

I can't think of any of the top teams who aren't prepared to go route one, over the top when a good opportunity arises.

And Everton aren't currently a top side, not by a long chalk. We have too many weak links to go that purist route and that isn't just down to coaching and won't change until the club is back on a stable financial footing.

Lampard seemed like he wanted to play ‘the right way' and the players consistently failed, not just because of their failings but also very much due to the opposition having the knack of springing traps. If it were as simple as you claim, everyone would be doing it all the time.

Bobby Mallon
143 Posted 04/02/2024 at 08:05:58
Eddie Dunn: I agree with you about resting McNeil. Playing and training and looking after his sick fiancé can't be good for him. Give Dobbin a run out against Man City – he might surprise us all.
Paul Ferry
144 Posted 04/02/2024 at 08:21:37
And apparently the writer, Fritz Spiegel, an Austrian who ended up in Liverpool, was a season ticket holder at Anfield.

In the same way Danny that the shite stole Fields and Walk on.

Leave Zcars alone FFS, everyone and his wife knows that it is ours. I know you rarely miss a match, but if Zcars doesn't send a shiver down your spine every time then I don't know what to say.

It's EVERTON Danny, to someone who always without fail throws platitudes at us.

I fucking grew up with it in Bootle. It fucking matters. ZCARS is us.

Comparing the thirty-year forgotten Spirit to ZCars ......

Anyway, you are a great blue Mr O'Neill

Alan McGuffog
145 Posted 04/02/2024 at 08:35:28
Kieran...are you serious ? "Mediocre music from a mediocre show"
Z Cars was one of the breakthrough TV programmes of the 1960s. It, for once, showed police officers, warts and all. They drank and swore and spoke in regional accents. Prior to programmes like Z Cars, cop shows had police offices and criminals speaking as if they had all come from a garden party at Buck House..
As for the music it's all a matter of taste.
Derek Knox
146 Posted 04/02/2024 at 08:36:48
Steve @ 136, Benny Hill was funny, Mosh and the Maggot were anything but !

Kieran, I think you have started something here, personally I think Z cars is a great theme to come out to and is a tradition now. I know Watford have it too, but I'm pretty sure we had it first. I believe it is good to have an eclectic mix of songs rather than them boring arseholes across the Park, who pinch others sons about Fields of Apple Pies, and YNWA stolen from Carousel the Musical.

Mark Murphy
147 Posted 04/02/2024 at 08:42:49
I fcuking love Z cars me.It never fails to stand the hairs on the back of my neck, especially when I’m actually at the game.
Dave Abrahams
148 Posted 04/02/2024 at 08:53:53
Tony (117), I understand your sentiments with playing a weakened team v Man.City next weak but I think we would make more enemies than friends with that move and we have enough enemies as it is at the moment.

Up and at them and let’s fight proper and gain another point,we got one there last season.

Hugh Jenkins
149 Posted 04/02/2024 at 08:59:23
Kieran (82) Not sure if someone else has said so, as I have not read all the posts, but the music that the team comes out to is mistakenly called "Z Cars" as it was adopted as a the theme tune for that televeion show that was set on Merseyside in the 1960s.
The tune itself is properly called "Johnny Todd" and is an old Liverpool folk song about a sailor who's girlfriend cheats on him and marries someone else whilst he is at sea. It's roots are firmly in the history of the city.
Dave Abrahams
150 Posted 04/02/2024 at 09:00:00
Mark (147), Yes Z cars is okay for me too, I’ve said on here before it made me laugh but seeing old supporters slowly moving to their seats pick up their feet and dance to them when the Z music blared out.

We shall not be moved is still the best for me especially now with the predicament we are in!!

Paul Smith
151 Posted 04/02/2024 at 09:04:57
Get rid of Z cars, old sentimental shite. New ground, new tunes.
Rob Halligan
152 Posted 04/02/2024 at 09:14:46
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Manchester United fans were the first fans to sing that dirge of a song, following the Munich air disaster, long before the RS or Gerry Marsden got their grubby hands on it………..

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/author-claims-liverpool-anthem-youll-24795557#

Hugh Jenkins
153 Posted 04/02/2024 at 09:26:06
For anyone interested, the lyrics of the song Johnny Todd are produced below, the tune - you already know.

Johnny Todd, he took a notion
For to cross the ocean wide
And he's left his own true love behind him
Walking by the Liverpool tide

For a week, she wept with sorrow
Tore her hair and wrung her hands
Till she met another handsome sailor
Walking by the Liverpool sands

Fair young maid are you a weeping
For your Johnny gone to sea
If you'll wed with me tomorrow
I will kind and constant be

I will buy you sheets and blankets
I'll buy you a wedding ring
You shall have a silver cradle
For to rock the baby in

Johnny Todd came home from sailing
Sailing on the ocean wide
And he's found his fair and false one
Was another sailor's bride

All young men who go a sailing
For to fight the foreign foe
Do not leave your own true love like johnny
Marry her before you go

Hugh Jenkins
154 Posted 04/02/2024 at 09:26:06
For anyone interested, the lyrics of the song Johnny Todd are produced below, the tune - you already know.

Johnny Todd, he took a notion
For to cross the ocean wide
And he's left his own true love behind him
Walking by the Liverpool tide

For a week, she wept with sorrow
Tore her hair and wrung her hands
Till she met another handsome sailor
Walking by the Liverpool sands

Fair young maid are you a weeping
For your Johnny gone to sea
If you'll wed with me tomorrow
I will kind and constant be

I will buy you sheets and blankets
I'll buy you a wedding ring
You shall have a silver cradle
For to rock the baby in

Johnny Todd came home from sailing
Sailing on the ocean wide
And he's found his fair and false one
Was another sailor's bride

All young men who go a sailing
For to fight the foreign foe
Do not leave your own true love like johnny
Marry her before you go

Danny O’Neill
155 Posted 04/02/2024 at 09:28:14
Celtic and Dortmund sing it Rob.

I have to walk out of any room I am in when they choreograph that self appreciation song.

It winds me up.

Off to see my brother in law in hospital today. He is ill.

A kopite and we'll have banter no doubt.

Tony Abrahams
156 Posted 04/02/2024 at 09:34:39
We might make more enemies Dave, but we might also gain a few friends along the way?

Scousers are known for standing up for themselves and being defiant, and imagine the outrage across the park, even though it’s totally acceptable for these double standard, want it both ways Kopites, to think it is funny, flying a Steau Bukarest flag on the kop.

You have got to look after yourself in this world, and if most of our squad got a two week rest now then I’m sure the recuperation would help us easily move away from the relegation places, before it gets messy in may?

Mark Murphy
157 Posted 04/02/2024 at 09:39:26
Paul Kossov - I’m usually good at this on House of Games but I give up. What does the 3 policewomen and the bible icons mean in your GOAL posts???
Derek Taylor
158 Posted 04/02/2024 at 09:53:45
As I see it, only relegation /administration is the only way out of this Kenwright inspired mess. If we survive in this climate of hate towards us by Premier League officials and referees, neither 777 nor other would-be purchasers will be willing to pay off Moshiri and his Russian masters the full price he's demanding.

It's a horrible thought but staying in the top realm won't be enough to save us !


Rob Halligan
159 Posted 04/02/2024 at 09:55:57
I’m with Tony. Play a weakened team, because no doubt as next Saturday draws nearer, there will be many on here saying that we’re going to get beat anyway, even with a full strength team. The only snag doing that is that the goal difference could take a bit of a hammering.

Tony Abrahams
160 Posted 04/02/2024 at 10:06:14
We would be well clear of the relegation places only for the points deduction, so if Everton players get a little rest then I’m absolutely certain we won’t be worrying about goal difference come the end of the season.

I’ve watched our last three games and it’s obvious (to me) that we are playing with tired minds right now. I might be wrong, but looking at how wasteful we have been, after initially creating some very good opportunities, (like the three switches of play, that would have put an Everton player through on goal during the first half yesterday) leads me to think that our players are getting through games on sheer guts alone?

James Marshall
161 Posted 04/02/2024 at 10:09:21
I find it interesting reading comments on Z Cars and the future at the new ground. Personally I would like to see the club ditch a lot of the old dewy-eyed-Evertonian stuff like Z Cars. I would also prefer them not to play things like Grand Old Team at the end of home matches - we need to modernise and let go of a lot of that old 'istory' that we rely on to feel relevant.

Everton has very little relevance in the modern game, so merely transferring all the old Goodison idealism over to Bramley Moore feels like a retrograde step to me. Our proud history should be left at Goodison - Bramley Moore is our opportunity to finally bring Everton screaming into the 21st century, not wallowing in the 1950's.

Yeah history means something to some people, but tradition is just some things people long dead used to do, and shouldn't shape or dictate our future. That goes for Everton and life in general for me.

Bramley Moore should be a break from the past (the museum), not a link to it.

John Chambers
162 Posted 04/02/2024 at 10:11:18
Rob, Tony, I don’t believe we should play a weakened side at City. We’ve just put our best performance in probably since we played Spurs away so we need to build on that. Also goal difference could be very important at the end of the season and at the moment it is one of the few advantages we have over the other clubs around us.

Lastly don’t forget we got a point there last season, just hope Godfrey is fit to wind Haarland up again!

Christopher Timmins
163 Posted 04/02/2024 at 10:13:22
First of all, a good result yesterday against a team who will finish in the top 5. A big improvement from the Luton game.

It's so sad that we had to sell so much talent due to the incompetence of Moshiri, Kenwright & Co.

With regards to next Saturday, given the less than hectic schedule that have between now and the end of the season, we have to give it a go with our strongest team. Our defensive set up is such that we might take a point from the game. We do not want to take a tanking.

Dyche is working miracles with the players at his disposal. 29 points from 23 games is evidence of same.


Alan McGuffog
164 Posted 04/02/2024 at 10:19:56
I'm intrigued. How do you make this side " weaker " ?
Ian Jones
165 Posted 04/02/2024 at 10:22:07
Should always play the strongest team available whatever the opposition
Dennis Stevens
166 Posted 04/02/2024 at 10:31:38
Isn't it a strange coincidence that whenever Everton get a result it's because the opposition underperformed in some way?
Rob Halligan
167 Posted 04/02/2024 at 10:32:58
We all know it won’t happen, of course it won’t, but it would be great, as Tony says earlier, just to see and hear the reaction of Bingo if we did actually do it.
Ray Robinson
168 Posted 04/02/2024 at 10:37:01
James #161, couldn’t agree more. History and tradition is what makes the club what it is but there’s something so sad about constantly wallowing in nostalgia. I’m 70, have been going to Goodison for 62 years, love thinking about better days gone by but don’t dwell too long on it. The future is what matters. Do we want a club with a cloth cap image in a brand new stadium? Acknowledge and remember the past, but move on!

As for playing a weakened side at City, I agree totally with John at #162. We got a point there last season that helped us stay up. You can never tell what significance an extra point, better goal difference will hold.

Kevin Naylor
169 Posted 04/02/2024 at 10:37:31
I think when we are at BMD we should have Simple Minds 'Waterfront' belting out as the teams wait to come out but stick with Z Cars when they come on the pitch, I like tradition.
Danny O’Neill
170 Posted 04/02/2024 at 10:49:57
Defiance in the face of adversity. Fight and hard work Tony.

Never give in. Ever.

Ditch Grand Old Team too. Sung by Celtic and big club my arse Tottenham.

Always play you strongest team and walk on that pitch to win.

Andy Crooks
171 Posted 04/02/2024 at 11:21:13
Seeing the green grass at Goodison and hearing Z Cars is, for me, one of the things that makes life worth living.
Colin @120, I re-read my comment on your post and it looks like I was criticising you for saying "count me out". I wasn't, because we all sometimes want counted out of this. We can't, it's like the Mafia. They never let you walk away, there's no hiding from our "burden"!
Christine Foster
172 Posted 04/02/2024 at 11:26:15
Z Cars belongs at Goodison, it conjurs nights of high passion and pride. An anthem much like a rousing call to arms. It would not be fitting to use at BMD. In fact all the songs need to stay with her, they belong to our memories but not our future.
Julian Exshaw
173 Posted 04/02/2024 at 11:29:53
This season is all about getting it done with and surviving now. I can put up with another 17 games of our non-productive midfield, wingers who rarely cross it effectively to strikers who can finish regularly. I can put up with hoofball and getting stuck in and making late substitutions as long as we survive.
Hopefully the summer will see a rebirth on and off the pitch for our last year at Goodison but it seems ever more likely this 'rebirth' will be at BMD with ZCars belting out (some things are sacred) in August 2025.
Going back to yesterday's match. What surprised me was how our intensity disappeared for the first 35 minutes of the second half. Having been the better side in the first half, I couldn't believe how ineffective we were playing into the Gwladys. SD made the right changes; fresh energy and legs made a huge difference. Credit for that.
David West
174 Posted 04/02/2024 at 11:50:21
Colin 120. My question was
Who are you playing considering that you are dropping both our only natural wide players ???
It's fine having an opinion, the manager has to come up with solutions Colin.

Harrison and mcneil both work their socks off. mcneil hasn't been at the level he was last year, but do we have options there mate ?? He looks not 100%. But still puts a shift in and his one foot you talk about is a beautiful left peg.
In an ideal world we'd have 4-5 wingers in the sqaud. We'd have 2 left backs, 4 strikers 8 midfield players.
We can barely fill the bench mate and you are dropping both our wingers and replacing them with who ??

Christopher Timmins
175 Posted 04/02/2024 at 12:04:08
We nicked a point at City last season, we have to go with the mindset that we can do again.

We are where we are due to the points deduction. Only two parties can take the blame for that:

Premier League or
Moshiri, Kenwright & Co

Kevin Edward
176 Posted 04/02/2024 at 12:20:43
As I see it Johnny Todd belongs to Everton, so should be belting out at BMD forever.
Next it will be ‘well playing in royal blue doesn’t work any more, let’s try Brown’.
It would be sad to see Johnny Todd relegated to a back up track.
Unless they come out to The Spirit Of Radio by Rush, then I’m all in.
Tony Abrahams
177 Posted 04/02/2024 at 12:27:00
Alan@164, by playing them every single game, when it’s obvious a lot of players look tired and therefore need a little rest maybe!

I get that you should play your strongest team in every game and that’s why I despair when I read people say that we shouldn’t play our strongest team in cup matches, but winning a cup is something that should always be attainable to a club of Everton’s stature, whereas losing a league game against the best club side in the land, is probably out of our reach.

I thought we had a good first half, but we were absolutely awful in the second period yesterday. We had nobody lookIng to keep the ball, which meant we lacked wisdom, and we just kept looking for the ball over the top, which meant that Spurs kept getting the ball back, leaving them in total control of the football, imo.

Harrison, made a few good runs in behind but was shattered when he got there, and I thought Everton played like a very tired team, during the second period yesterday, and that’s why I think we should be looking to rest as many players as possible next week. People don’t have to agree but it’s definitely food for thought imo!

Dave Cashen
178 Posted 04/02/2024 at 13:09:28
Good post again Tony.

The players are quite clearly playing for the manager. They are playing for each other too. That in itself comes with a responsibility. Nobody wants to do anything "silly".

A confident team, free of pressure, makes those three switches of play you speak about. Players in survival mode think twice. They worry about putting teams mates under pressure if they don't make the pass.

I wont be too critical of any of the players. They are all giving maximum effort, but they don't have the luxury of of being able to play with total freedom. The EPL have taken that away from them

I think we see a different group of players if the points are reinstated

Kevin Molloy
179 Posted 04/02/2024 at 13:40:45
I wouldn't normally be thinking about resting significant numbers of the team, not when we are playing one game a week. However, I think a case can be made for the two wingers, and possibly DCL, who all look very flat.
Colin Malone
180 Posted 04/02/2024 at 13:54:22
David @174.
Until McNeil learns, when he gets the ball, his first plan of action must be attack, as Dobbin tried to do yesterday. instead passing square or back.
Sorry David but Harrison imo, offers nothing in the skill department other than jockeying and working hard.
I would have kept Young on. Maybe moved DCL to the wing as Koeman used him, it's an option with the Hoof ball we play.
Yes, hopefully we will survive relegation with headless chickens but its horrible to watch.
Neil Tyrrell
181 Posted 04/02/2024 at 13:57:14
Regarding Z Cars, I was made up to hear Bob Dylan sing Johnny Todd when the expanded version of the Basement Tapes came out a few years ago:

https://youtu.be/_fPVKRT5-So?si=c0GGrU4oxN36jJak

Mark Ryan
182 Posted 04/02/2024 at 14:02:27
It would be a mistake to lose Z cars and the siren It's Everton, keep it
Brent Stephens
183 Posted 04/02/2024 at 14:22:24
Johnny Todd for me. Keep it. It's part of Everton. We'll be wanting to lose the Archibald Leitch design next.

If yer know yer 'istory...

Colin Metcalfe
184 Posted 04/02/2024 at 14:46:12
Let’s leave Z Cars where it belongs in the past! BMD new era new tune.
Alan J Thompson
185 Posted 04/02/2024 at 14:54:41
Si#142; I don't remember saying that we should only play the one way albeit that does seem what we are playing now but that we must be able and willing to play through AND use the long ball and have players who combine as I can't recall seeing very many times this season somebody in the opponent's penalty area making a dummy run to open space for somebody else or leave them in a one on one, the exception being Doucoure arriving late into the box. Mind you, when it comes to that I have difficulty also recalling a winger Johnny Morrisey like hitting the byline at pace and making the cross on the run. I suppose the last player like that was Deulofeu while Danjuma has the pace but rarely gets a cross in (when he gets on the park) while our full backs seem to cross from the 18 yard penalty box line.

My point from the start, we should have variation.

Jack Convery
186 Posted 04/02/2024 at 14:59:56
As we are about to move alongside the River Mersey and into a Dock, it's even more fitting to run out to ZCars, It;s a traditional sailors song from the Tall Sailing Ships era.

Johnny Todd, he took a notion

For to cross the ocean wide

And he's left his own true love behind him

Walking by the Liverpool tide

For a week, she wept with sorrow

Tore her hair and wrung her hands

Till she met another handsome sailor

Walking by the Liverpool sands

Fair young maid are you a weeping

For your Johnny gone to sea

If you'll wed with me tomorrow

I will kind and constant be

I will buy you sheets and blankets

I'll buy you a wedding ring

You shall have a silver cradle

For to rock the baby in

Johnny Todd came home from sailing

Sailing on the ocean wide

And he's found his fair and false one

Was another sailor's bride

All young men who go a sailing

For to fight the foreign foe

Do not leave your own true love like johnny

Marry her before you go

On another point I was disappointed with Van De Vens post match comments. He was their MOTM but to say they were much the better team in the 3nd half was a joke. A point was the least we deserved. The only reason they got a point was our Old Boy ( who they stole from us on the cheap ) scored 2 goals. Ange was also in full moan mode too, blaming Pickford for saving goal bound efforts - how dare Jordan do his job, whilst his owm goalkeeper was having a mare.

Joe McMahon
187 Posted 04/02/2024 at 15:01:29
Colin, I'm not a fan of Z Cars either, but it's not as cringeworthy as Grand Old Team. It all just reminds of the past and Bill Kenwright crying.

Imagine coming onto the pitch with the opening riffs from Ace of Spades! 😈☠️

On another note Richie showed his class yesterday as stated by others. He's a class act!

Ray Roche
188 Posted 04/02/2024 at 15:24:22
Why is there talk of ditching Z Cars? Why? Why do people want to do away with tradition, especially if they want to replace it with their own inappropriate selection, Simple Minds? Ace of Spades? What’s that got to do with Everton? Z Cars, and now the siren, are Everton. Just leave it alone. Same as people wanting us to be Chelsea Lite and play in all blue. As Billy Connolly says, “F*** off, just F*** off!”
Dave Abrahams
189 Posted 04/02/2024 at 15:27:20
Regarding Dwight McNeil and his partner, the stress they have both been under the last few months has been enormous, it’s amazing how they have coped so well with his partner, while undergoing a huge operation with a long period of rehabilitation to face, encouraging him to get on with his usual routine of playing and training and listening to Dwight explaining what happened on the day of two games, staying over night in hospital then turning up for the game, scoring in those two winning matches, quite remarkable and a credit to to both of this young couple.

I think McNeil is a very good player anyway but he has gone up in my estimation, along with his very brave girlfriend, the very best of luck to them now and in the future, they certainly deserve a huge helping of it.

The story is on Everton’s website and was in yesterday’s programme v Spurs, it might alter some fans perspective of how they perceive McNeil’s performances over the last couple of months.

Derek Knox
191 Posted 04/02/2024 at 15:37:40
Brent @ 183, Question : was Johnny Todd any relation to Richard, Bob (Benny Hill Actor) or Ann ?

Or even Todd of Todd Hall ? :-)

Brent Stephens
192 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:03:49
Derek, his father was Onyer.
Brent Stephens
193 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:06:27
Ray #188 - Agree. I thought you might have put it a bit more forcefully at the end.
Bill Gall
194 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:07:07
There is nothing like tradition, it is the foundation of the club that even though I now live abroad I still get chills down my spine when they play it especially now they have the siren as well. I will admit that the struggles we have had at Goodison Park, " Highway to Hell " may be more appropriate.
Cant wait to get back in April to soak in the atmosphere of a home game and my son decided he better come along with me so I don't get lost at the airport or get on the wrong plane. He is one of those television Liverpool supporter's who has never seen a game, so I told him he will be coming to Goodison Park with me for a real football experience not a plastic TV coverage.
Johny Todd is a tune that when played people know it is a game with Everton, it's the team it represent not the ground.
John Chambers
195 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:09:33
Keep Z Cars but bin Grand Old Team (it’s fine sung from the terraces) and, especially, the sirens. It was OK when Bellew was having his world title fight but given the current state of the world, especially with a Ukrainian in the side, it is crass to play these.
Ray Roche
196 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:12:23
Brent, I considered it but thought that I can get in enough trouble borrowing Connolly’s considered opinion.
Dale Self
197 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:12:41
If Lemmy wasn’t such a self-declared asshole I’d say Joe has an idea there. Not huge on metal but something a bit brutal would be a good add on to Z-Cars.
Joe McMahon
198 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:13:38
Ray@188, Just to be clear, I never said lets ditch Z Cars (I just don't like it as it all reminds me of the Teary One). That said I do like the Siren!

And I also said "Imagine coming onto the pitch with the opening riffs from Ace of Spades". I didn't say I want us to use it. Just a bit of fun, like coming onto the pitch to the Laurel and Hardy music would be.

Of course Z Cars will be staying, we all know that.

Dale, I also was never a Lemmy Fan or indeed that type of metal, but didn't I mind Animal Taylor.

David West
199 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:25:23
Dave 189. Excellent perspective on Mcneil.
The lads goals last year went a long way to save us. Not alot of people knew what he was going through, while still putting on the Jersey every week.

I don't think he's been on his top form since coming back from the injury, but I'd say he's one of Dyches first names on the team sheet.

Some on here think we have multiple options in every position and we can just drop several players. I'm sure in an ideal world Dyche would like to rest a couple from time to time but there's just no depth to do it.

Ray Roche
200 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:36:30
Joe@198,
Joe, if we are to change the run out music I'd only change Z Cars for the Benny Hill theme, Yakkety Sax I think it was, at least it would feel more appropriate!! ;-)
Derek Knox
201 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:41:37
Brent @ 192, aka Billy No Mates !
David West
202 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:43:20
Colin 180
" move DCL to the wing " I've heard it all now, play Keane up front too ?

Young was tired, was one of his best games though. When dacoure & seamus are back then young for Harrison is definitely an option, and Harrison can have an impact from the bench.

Would you rather us be better to watch but get relegated? This point may be vital come the end of the season. I remember lampard trying to get this side playing "better" football against Spurs and we were destroyed 5-0.


Brent Stephens
203 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:44:28
Ray #200 and get the game and the clock played at the same speed. Misery over in half the time.
Dave Cashen
204 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:47:37
Z cars was our tune not long after Bill was alternating between the cheering the blues from the boys pen and crowd surfing down the kop.

Anthony Dove
205 Posted 04/02/2024 at 16:57:28
When we move let’s leave behind the siren and all the
‘People’s Club’ stuff. Hopefully BMD will see the
resurrection of We shall not be moved, always my favourite,
and with the best memories over the years.
Dale Self
206 Posted 04/02/2024 at 17:04:36
But to BMD we will be moved, oh the irony.
Dale Self
207 Posted 04/02/2024 at 17:15:16
Joe, I dug Lemmy and GG but they are both first-rate forgettable as human beings.
James Hughes
208 Posted 04/02/2024 at 17:15:41
Dale - that is a classic burn, Top notch sir
Colin Malone
209 Posted 04/02/2024 at 17:18:49
David @ 202.
He played there under koeman, I forget who was playing CF, but DCL done a good job. Giving opponents defence something to think about, especially if we have players feeding off aerial balls he wins. It will suit the way we play imo. A centre forward and a centre forward out wide.
Brian Wilkinson
210 Posted 04/02/2024 at 17:18:51
I would keep Zcars but deffo bin grand old team, never liked that song, obviously we do care what the red shite say or do, shite song and even worse the cleaned up version they play at full time.

However it just about stands out a bit better than the one we did around 77

Something like marching down to Goodison were marching down in Blue, with a new commander by the name of Gordon Lee, now that was a cringe worthy song which sounded like we drafterd St. Winifreds choir in for the Everton were with you all the way, song might have been called marching to glory.

Just a final point on our first goal, had that hit Coleman he would be passing the goal on to Dom saying its his goal, did not like the way Harrison claimed it or at least pointed to himself saying my goal, that could of got the monkey off Doms back, now instead its still weighing on his shoulders of not scoring for a while, shame on you Jack.

Barry Williams
211 Posted 04/02/2024 at 17:40:34
Z-cars is fine and does have a little drama to it as the players walk out onto the pitch. I hate a grand old team, always have and always will - why oh why mention another team in your club song - especially stating that you don't care about them - never got that.

Now, as a huge Motorhead fan - the Ace of spades (deffo not their best song - just the best known) would be brilliant. Lemmy even has a prehistorical crocodile named after him - Lemmysuchus - and Dale - Lemmy was a first rate human being of the highest order with a very unappreciated intellect. I know a number of people who met him and said he was an ace geezer - always open to meet fans and sign autographs. Top fella and the best live band ever (saw them about 20 times in various countries).

Colin Malone - 209
I believe DCL played as a wingback under Koeman for 1 game if I am not mistaken and had an assist. Not that crazy - remember Lukaku out wide against Arsenal?

Once again - Dale Self - 197 with regards to Lemmy - wash your mouth out sir! haa haa.

Barry Rathbone
212 Posted 04/02/2024 at 17:59:22
Z cars is great it just needs a bit of tweaking with lyrics relating to EFC. I binned the mad mid section and added lyrics with a play on players names - here's the first few lines.

Give to me a golden vision
Give to me a ball of fire
Take me to the school of science
I will sing along with Dean's great choir
Read to me of golden grey days
Eyes be sharp the world forever see
etc.

(Young, Ball, Dixie, Reid, Gray, Sharpe the later verse includes Lyons, Holy Trinity and Royle).

It's shite but I wrote it years ago amidst loads of others when I still believed

David West
213 Posted 04/02/2024 at 18:13:52
Colin Yes he did play there, and wing back. If I'm right it was while the lad was still proving himself, he was not a regular starter at that point.
He proved under carlo that he is most effective as a poacher, whereas now he's so isolated he looks like half the player.

Its all about opinions, I'd choose to side with the 4 time champions league winner rather than the Dutch man who blurted millions on a load of shite !!

Joe McMahon
214 Posted 04/02/2024 at 18:14:32
Barry would Killed by Death be better?

I appreciate you've seen then many times, as I'm a gig goer mysef. I only saw them once many moons ago? My wife's more of a hard rocker than me
Do you like Paradise Lost and Tool et al.

Brian Williams
215 Posted 04/02/2024 at 18:16:18
Some traditions should never change. Z Cars, IMO, is one of them.
As for the siren being crass because of what's going on in the world and having a Ukranian player.
Methinks the easily offended have taken over the asylum!
Dale Self
216 Posted 04/02/2024 at 18:20:45
Barry W, no offence man. Surely you have heard some of the stories though, not about signing autographs.
Barry Williams
217 Posted 04/02/2024 at 18:25:27
Joe McMahon - 214

Indeed another classic song! It would make people sit up and take notice! What about 'Live to Win' - that sort of has a message for sports!

I have very weird eclectic taste in music, from Motorhead to Shostakovich, Black Sabbath to John Coltrane, The Butthole surfers to Howlin wolf and a myriad of bands people just look at me blankly and go 'who?' I did see Napalm Death last year I think it was, or the year before, but that might be a bit much for the average match goer!

Z-Cars is fine though - we don't want to completely strip the identity away in the name of progress!

Barry Williams
218 Posted 04/02/2024 at 18:35:18
Dale Self - 216

100% no offence taken mate! I only heard good things about him from people - but there you go, who knows!

One thing is - they were a proper band, always on tour - even when he was seriously ill - he'd get up on stage and give it his best shot. For me, a damn sight more laudable than the majority of modern players.

That said I long ago fell out of love with the modern game and only ever tune into watch Everton now in some weird misplaced loyalty - even if the football is not better I do not miss the likes of Richarlison, Gordon, Mina, James etc. rolling around and faking injury. I can watch this team without cringing bar Onana, he needs to stop the going over too! My pet hate. I was brought up on Latchford, Lyons, Watson, Reid etc. so, I hate the way the game has gone and how cheating has been accepted by the rule makers, the commentators - and yes, the fans.

Anyways - going off on a tangent!

Christy Ring
219 Posted 04/02/2024 at 18:39:19
Colin#209 Not surprised Koeman played him on the wing, in my opinion Koeman destroyed Everton, not only did he not sign a striker, but signed 3no.10's.
Paul Tran
220 Posted 04/02/2024 at 18:44:22
A fella I worked with years ago was in a heavy metal band that supported Motorhead on tour. He said Lemmy was a top generous bloke, but it was hard to keep up with him!
Barry Williams
221 Posted 04/02/2024 at 18:50:17
Paul Tran - 220

Exactly what I heard. He was a little bit of a hedonistic chap! haa haa.

Paul Tran
222 Posted 04/02/2024 at 19:01:34
Yes Barry, very convivial, but his big addiction was fruit machines!
Barry Williams
223 Posted 04/02/2024 at 19:06:05
Paul Tran - 222

Yes, he liked his fruit machines - I think that was the more innocent of his many vices!

His step dad played for Bolton Wanderers I believe!

Peter Mills
224 Posted 04/02/2024 at 19:14:27
Dave#189, thank you for that reference to the article on Dwight McNeil - I recommend it to everyone.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
225 Posted 04/02/2024 at 19:18:34
Andy #113.

I'll explain it in simple terms because obviously it is needed for you.

In the last 38 fixtures (so this year plus the results from last year of the games we still have to play) -

Brighton have gained 49 points.

Everton on the other hand, despite being a much worse side (in the opinion on here) with a more tactically inept coach have managed to gain 51 points.

Sadly, the corrupt EPL have taken 10 of them away.

So for all their wonderful football, brilliant coaching they are doing no better than the hard working, never say die boys from Goodison Park. Pretty football does not always come out better. Just ask Everton supporters in 2014-16 when phenominal Bobby Brown shoes was in charge.

Joe McMahon
226 Posted 04/02/2024 at 19:19:14
Barry,@217, not necessarily. I even mentioned Everton to Barny of Napalm Death when I was talking to him at Reading Festival way back in 89. And yes Buthole Surfers played that year, they were ace. Gaye Bykers on Acid opened, then My Bloody Valentine, happy days! I think I've gone too far off subject, but let's keep Z Cars and blast out the Siren for even longer!
Barry Williams
227 Posted 04/02/2024 at 19:24:49
Joe McMahon - 226

I was there that year too to see Swans, Loop, Head of David, Spacemen 3 etc. I cannot recall Napalm death being on, but it was a good line-up of bands.

Z-Cars Napalm death style. Still think the average football fan wouldn't go for it.

Z-Cars it is!

Joe McMahon
228 Posted 04/02/2024 at 19:30:23
Barry, Swans were loud!! Napalm weren't on, it's just Barny was there and asked me about my paracloggs, as you know New Model Army fans were out in force. I told him I even worn them at Goodison!
Barry Williams
229 Posted 04/02/2024 at 19:34:04
Joe McMahon - 228

Between them, Motorhead and the Swans are partly responsible for my tinnitus! Yes, I remember the NMA being very popular!

1989 - Everton were on the way down then - did they have Sharp, Newell and Cottee all playing in the same team? Now we have 1 striker!

Dale Self
230 Posted 04/02/2024 at 19:36:49
Since several of you have closer accounts I will take back my criticism of Lemmy. Maybe it’s just a case of famous people getting hassled and Lemmy took no shit. GG is a more certain case as his outlandish behavior is on film.

And if any of you were at Reading in 75 to see Lemmy back Robert Calvert on Ode to a Crystal Set, I will say this: I am jealous as fuck.

Barry Williams
231 Posted 04/02/2024 at 19:38:38
Dale Self - 230

Nah Dale - was only 4 then - still 5 years off going to Goodison for the first time too!

Dave Ganley
232 Posted 04/02/2024 at 19:38:54
Jeez Joe, now you're proper making me feel old mentioning NMA. I saw them back in the 80s at the Royal Court.
Paul Ferry
233 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:05:23
Did Spuds, City, or Arsenal ditch tradition when they moved to their new grounds?

So, why should we? And our new ground is in a historical district on the river that cuts through ZCars/Johnny Todd. There is absolutely nothing wrong in mixing the new with tradition. In fact, it's essential. You forget tradition and the cost is losing identity. That song that always sends shivers up and down my spine when the lads run out will go with us to the dock.

I fecking hate the siren by the way. Ditch Johnny Todd (our tradition) but play that cringy cheesy and hackneyed siren that is sooooooooo inspiring and rabble-rousing. Get a grip! Give yer head a wobble.

Anyone who thinks that ZCars was "pathetic" TV has zero appreciation of the cultural and social dynamics of a truly groundbreaking piece of telly.

There's something in the ties that bind Johnny Todd, us, the city, and water that perhaps only those of us lucky enough to be from the city can truly appreciate.

Lastly, get the fuck out of here, running out to fecking Moterhead. We'd be a fucking laughing stock. I don't want heavy metal anywhere near our cool club and stadium.

We might as well run out to The Girl from Ipanema or Music to Watch Girls By wearing shades.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
234 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:08:45
Keep Z Cars. If we are going to get rid of our history with a fresh start, then leave Dixie's statue as well.

Now the latter is a daft suggestion.

And as for Z Cars, sue Watford for breach of copyright.

And yes, ditch GOT - not unique and a 1990s bit. And what with the siren, that also has no history.

Try the hairs on the back of your neck test.

If on hearing each of these, do the hairs on the back of your next stand up and you get all emotional

a. The siren

b. Grand Old Team

c. Z Cars

If none, what are you doing here. And what percent have said yes to a and b? And anyone who did not say yes to c? If you did not say c., then do you need your dad to take you to the match?

Barry Williams
235 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:12:31
Paul Ferry - 233

Strictly speaking Motorhead are not really a heavy metal band!

All a question of taste sir!

Talking of cringeworthy - why does the Final Countdown ring a bell with me from the mid 80s glory years. Did they play it all the time at half time or am I just imaging this!?

Paul Ferry
236 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:21:10
Cheers, Barry, for the information!

That song was played all the time back then Barry, wasn't it, everywhere, along with fecking Eye Of The Tiger and Huey Lewis.

Barry Williams
237 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:25:09
Paul Ferry - 236

Yes, they were - and in my humble opinion, it was not a good thing! haa haa.

Joe McMahon
238 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:28:36
Paul, as the new stadium is in an industrial area, how do you fancy some Nine Inch Nails? Or even Depeche Mode. I'm only joking of course.

For what it's worth, I'd like to keep Z Cars, but with a hellish loud siren booming down the Mersey. I'd also like the Dixie statue also. But absolutely no mention of Kenwright.

Dave @232, probably been at the same gigs. The band I've seen the most. 46 times (I think). They are still touring also.

Pete Day
239 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:39:48
Barry,

Motorhead not a heavy metal band? You gotta be kidding right?

Barry Williams
240 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:43:58
Joe McMahon - 238

NMA had a madly loyal following, one of my best mates and also my housemate at uni in Hull loved them, he still does I think. He took me to see their offspring, the Levellers – that was pretty good.

For Industrial music, I think Laibach, Einstürzende Neubauten, Godflesh or The Young Gods would do it, but then again I think most football fans would consider this type of music a little too out there - and to be fair, it is!

Z-Cars it is. Nothing wrong with keeping the tradition — Z-cars was there long before the slump and during a lot of the glory years too!

But get rid of Grand Old Team! No mention of any other team other than Everton!

Alan McGuffog
241 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:44:23
I've still awaiting an operation to straighten my toes. Was it 1998, with Dacourt, John Collins, and Materazzi making their debuts?

Making my way through dog shit boulevard (City Road) I heard the skirl of the feckin pipes. Christ on a bike.

And Collins missed a penalty!

Barry Williams
242 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:46:46
Pete Day - 239

No mate - they even didn't define themselves as that. I do play, so can see were they are coming from, and play a lot of their numbers too. Fast loud distorted guitars, long hair and manic drums actually hide a lot of subtleties - seriously.

It is like we can castigate a player and not realise what good work he is doing off the ball - the unobvious stuff - it is hidden by the obvious.

Barry Williams
243 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:48:35
Alan McGuffog - 241

and it was 0-0? I have a vague recollection!

Little did we know what that score meant during the reign of Walter Smith!

Paul Ferry
244 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:50:33
Some good old down to earth German industrial Joe!

Shane MacGowan was one of us.'Dirty Old Town' somewhere in the playlist, perhaps replacing GOT after the final whistle? And the lads can run out to Sally Maclennane.

Dear God there are bands called Godflesh, Buthole Surfers, Napalm Death. and Gaye Bykers on Acid?

Come back Paper Lace, Racey, and Brotherhood of Man. All is forgiven.

Barry Williams
245 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:56:28
Paul Ferry - 244

you made me chuckle a wee bit there Paul. There are some other names I could mention, but don't wanna bring the tone of the site down!

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
246 Posted 04/02/2024 at 20:59:32
Barry - Walter Smith managed 14 clean sheets in his first 23 games. That is 14 clean sheets for the opposition.

8 0-0 draws that season. 13 goals in those first 23 games. Take out the 5-0 over Boro and 6-0 over West Ham and we scored 25 goals in 36 games.

And we moan about this team. 23 in 26. Positively prolific.

Pete Day
247 Posted 04/02/2024 at 21:02:10
Barry 242, just Wikipedia 'd them.

I'll concede to you, Lemmy considered themselves rock n roll but, to the uninitiated, they were heavy metal and by jove they spawned the new wave of British Heavy Metal to which I owe my allegiance to! UTFTs 🤘

Joe McMahon
248 Posted 04/02/2024 at 21:05:02
Paul, you'll be glad to know, I like a fair range of music, not just noise. My hearing isn't what it was either. Both me and Barry have mentioned Reading '89, The Pogues did headline on the Saturday night!

Barry, we may have met as I was also at uni in Hull. Next you'll be talking about The Adephi and Spiders!

Barry Williams
249 Posted 04/02/2024 at 21:07:32
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts - 246

It is all coming back to me. Did we have games were he'd play Unsworth and Richard Dunne as wingbacks? Sometimes 5 centre backs on the pitch.

Without running off and checking the teams from that season online - I think I remember one game and commenting to my mate that we had 7 defenders on the pitch. Mark Hughes up front for about 15 games as nothing more than a human battering ram?

Surely I have imagined all this!!!!

Joe McMahon – 248

The Pogues were good man!

Wow – I was at the 2nd best Uni in Hull – Humberside Uni between 1990 and 1994 - stayed in Hull until around 1995-96. Spiders was a must for me, as was the Adelphi and a few other places – the Mainbrace!!????

Barry Williams
250 Posted 04/02/2024 at 21:10:29
Pete Day - 247

I can see why people have them down as the purist of pure heavy metal - and some songs are, but there was a lot of rock 'n ' roll, blues and punk in it – as well as Hawkwind psychedelia – Lemmy was Hendrix's roady would you believe!

I still think some Motorhead would frighten the opposition! haa haa.

Andy McGuffog
251 Posted 04/02/2024 at 21:44:01
I just love the concept of an 'impact' substitute.

Ours seem to consist of Beto, who has the presence of a daffodil upfront and is intimidated by any defender over 5 feet tall; Danjuma who after 6 months still cannot recognise any of his fellow forwards and whose main ambition seems to be getting the ball into Row Z; a little lad from Portugal, and Dobbin who once scored a goal.

And we could use Harrison as an impact sub, presumably for the last 20 minutes of a game, when he doesn't contribute a great deal in the first 20 minutes. Yes, it's good to resort to jargon, but if it's meaningless…

Barry Williams
252 Posted 04/02/2024 at 22:08:08
Pete Day - 247

Actually - they do have a song called

'The Dogs of War' - Very aggressive and tad more scary than Pink Floyd's version.

All this said - Z Cars for running on the pitch with sirens for me, despite my weird musical tastes! haa haa.

Gotta try and keep the majority happy!

Colin Glassar
253 Posted 04/02/2024 at 22:24:54
Andy 251, 😂😂😂
John Connor
254 Posted 04/02/2024 at 22:28:26
This reminds me of (quite) a few years ago when we were in danger of relegation (as always these days) and all the fans were concerned about was the ditching of Z-Cars. I think it's an old-fashioned dirge, which needs replacing, but with what I don't know.

But our problems are far deeper than the tune we come out to. Let's get a team we are proud of before looking at a record.

As to yesterday and the last-minute equaliser, as gratifying as it was and shows a never-give-up attitude, it cannot disguise the fact that most of our players are not Premier League standard, and mark my words, those that are will leave the sinking ship if we are relegated.

Just 3 points from 18 does not strike me with confidence and I think the whole points deduction and new charge has really affected the players in a negative way. We were fine a few weeks ago but, when Luton started to score, we knew we were in trouble.

I'm pleased Sheffield Utd and Burnley already look doomed and if Nottingham Forest lose any points, they will also not recover. I'm just hoping that, with the two charges, our deducted points total comes to no more than 10.

Not hopeful for a sucessful future but also not as negative as some on here. 'I will Survive' could be a decent song to run out to, or the 'Only way is Up' but either way, let's get the team sorted before we get carried away with a new song.

Steve Oshaugh
255 Posted 04/02/2024 at 22:55:34
I've only been lucky enough to get to Goodison once (the joys of supporting a team from the other side of the world) and quite liked hearing Z-Cars and will admit to getting a bit teary-eyed when it started up.

At the moment, I really don't give a shit what we come out to as long as we get some points on the board.

If the KC dude manages to get us some, if not all, points back then we should let him choose the song! :) In fact, name a bloody stand after him. He could well be the most important figure in our recent history.

Danny O’Neill
256 Posted 04/02/2024 at 23:08:52
As this thread has gone into opinions on songs, just don't use that one from the 80s "Everybody's singing the Blues"!!!!
Chris Leyland
257 Posted 04/02/2024 at 23:24:42
Danny, it's a classic but not as good as “Home and Dry” which was the B side to “Here we Go”!
Si Cooper
258 Posted 04/02/2024 at 00:04:12
Alan (185),

“My point from the start, we should have variation.”

If that had been how your post at 24 read, I don't think you would have had any disagreement.

However, the main points of your post at 24 seem more like we were rubbish yesterday and are doomed to relegation because of the manager and his style of play, which some of us have found rather more contentious.

David Currie
259 Posted 05/02/2024 at 01:31:32
A back-up song to Z Cars: Straw Dogs by Stiff Little Fingers.

Lyrics include:

Hard nosed blue eyed boys intelligent and fair.
Bark and bite, might is right we're the dogs of war.
So let's go to the new frontier, it's in the blood defending near and dear.

Don Alexander
260 Posted 05/02/2024 at 02:26:09
Johnny Todd is ours!!!

If a self-serving, lying shyster Chairman and owner could have found a coin for himself by doing so, I suspect he'd have sold out to Oops Upside Your Head by The Gap Band.

The lyrics and associated absurd antics pay full tribute to his value to our club.

Rob Halligan
261 Posted 05/02/2024 at 03:40:14
There’s only one tune that needs to be played on the day of our final game at Goodison Park, one which should leave any curse behind forever….

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JY8jWXH-L7Aw

Then the first few games at BMD it can only be the following tune, just to be sure no curse has followed us

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IfIOEdIEqbo

Danny O’Neill
262 Posted 05/02/2024 at 06:41:33
Well Watford have played it for just about as long as we have, Don, since 1964.

Like I said, I'm ambivalent. Doesn't really bother me either way. All clubs have adopted walk out songs differing in nature. Manchester United with the Stone Roses. City with Blue Moon. I actually like Fulham playing London Calling.

Rob, exorcism is needed!

Chris, I looked that up. I don't remember it. Seeing Ratcliffe holding the league trophy. Reid being mobbed and held aloft by adoring supporters. The team photo with trophies laid out in front of them.

It made me smile but made me sad at the same time.

One for the last pilgrimage to the Grand Old Lady? In My Life by the Beatles.

Paul Ferry
263 Posted 05/02/2024 at 07:38:59
Deep, Rob, I want to hear you singing them.

Danny, In My Life, the greatest ever Beatles song IMO, John reflecting on the city, not a blue it's true, but the song belongs to all of us.

When I'm down for whatever reason in Chicago, thinking about home where thank Sheedy I will be in 6 or 7 years, it's always In My Life that goes on.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
264 Posted 05/02/2024 at 08:22:12
Came to me on Saturday why it is a points deduction not a fine for financial irregularities.

So say we were fined £50M for our one offence.

Man City = 115 x £50M = £5.750billion. That would be £5,750,000,000.

That is petty cash to City (and Newcastle). It is only points that would hurt City, so it has to be points for all the others.

Dave Abrahams
265 Posted 05/02/2024 at 08:48:23
Peter (224),

Thanks for that, I thought it was worth a mention. I just noticed your post, I had to get off this thread my head was banging with all this heavy metal music. Really?

What do you call all the music I grew up listening to and still do — Artie Shaw, Benny Goodman, Charle Parker, Coleman Hawkins, Billie Holliday, Ella Fitzgerald, Dinah Washington, Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra etc etc!!

Each to their own is the best answer and generation differences.

Brian Harrison
266 Posted 05/02/2024 at 09:45:22
Saw an interesting stat, Saturday Gana Gueye was the 1st player in the Premier league to make 8+ tackles and 6+ interceptions in a game.

The last time anyone did this was Gana Gueye in 2018 against Fulham.

I think Christopher Beesley, the Echo’s Everton correspondent who gave Gueye a 6 for his efforts on Saturday. needs to read this, and justify his rating of 6.

For me, Gueye was the best player in our side on Saturday.

Danny O’Neill
267 Posted 05/02/2024 at 09:57:02
He goes about his business, Brian, and it isn't always appreciated what he does for the team. If I was to use a non-football term, he is a workaholic. He never stops.

When is Doucoure back? As much as he is unpredictable, we miss him. Keep him high up the pitch and we win games.

Jerome Shields
268 Posted 05/02/2024 at 10:03:17
Gana stats against Tottenham

Tackles: 6
Interceptions: 8
Duals won: 11
Pass Completion: 85%

The highest in the Premier League since his stats in 2018 against Fulham.

Dave Abrahams
269 Posted 05/02/2024 at 10:21:40
Brian @266,

I think Gana Gueye was Everton's best player on Saturday in many people's rating, even his poor shot got us a corner.

A workaholic as Danny says.

Mike Doyle
271 Posted 05/02/2024 at 11:01:41
Gana was very good on Saturday. The other player who caught the eye was Spurs defender Micky Van de Ven.
Brian Wilkinson
272 Posted 05/02/2024 at 11:38:23
I could not make the game last Saturday so had to watch it on TV instead.

What I will say is well done to TNT Sport, they put Sky Sports to shame, not only did the cameras go on the cards held up at the start and the 10th minute, but they also gave us a favourable comment as well about the points deduction, explaining the reasoning for the cards held up.

It is obvious the Premier League have advised Sky not to show any protests, but have also informed Sky to not broadcast Andy Burnham's interview as well. What are they so afraid of, by refusing to broadcast the other side of the dispute?

I thought we were fighting this alone, but Andy Burnham is doing a great cause on behalf of the injustice, and after seeing TNT Sport on Saturday we now have two fronts who are giving Everton support.

Big thumbs up to TNT Sport, Maybe Andy Burnham should approach THT Sport and do an interview, Sky might have refused to broadcast it, but after Saturday, I'm sure TNT Sports would love to broadcast a new interview, give Everton's side of things, and get one up on Sky Sports

Eric Haworth
273 Posted 05/02/2024 at 11:43:40
Interesting that it's taken the absence of both Gueye and Doucoure for fans to fully appreciate their key contribution to our cause. Because they've both been consistent recipients of “dog's abuse” in these pages.

Also, without being drawn into the Onana debate, which given the varying views, could take up a whole thread on its own, I would go further to suggest that our most effective triumvirate by some margin is Gueye, Garner & Doucoure.

To watch them operate, they look a far more natural fit and give us the necessary energy and craft that's sometimes lacking with other combinations.

Peter Mills
274 Posted 05/02/2024 at 12:57:04
Whoever decided that Harrison should be awarded our first goal for the merest brush of the ball on his thigh must never have played footy as a kid.

Trying to claim that in the playground or park would have seen you receive very short shrift from the person who headed the ball.

Dave Abrahams
275 Posted 05/02/2024 at 13:04:56
Peter (274), Exactly,whenever I mention this game in the future I will recall that DCL scored Everton’s first goal.

Danny O’Neill
276 Posted 05/02/2024 at 13:06:46
Totally Peter. If that had been a Tottenham player they wouldn't have awarded an own goal. It was on target and going in. Dominic's goal
Paul Hewitt
277 Posted 05/02/2024 at 14:05:21
The fact that Harrison has been awarded that goal, shows everything that's wrong with the premier League at the moment.
Lynn Maher
278 Posted 05/02/2024 at 14:25:07
Noticed on Match of the Day 2 last night, after Konate’s red card. The commentor said he had been lucky not to get a red card, against Everton in October.
I don’t think luck had anything to do with it!
Tony Abrahams
279 Posted 05/02/2024 at 14:29:33
Surely if it came off Harrison it should have been ruled out for offside? That’s how it looks to me anyway with at least one Spurs player off the pitch in the goal.
Brian Harrison
280 Posted 05/02/2024 at 14:48:31
Eric 273

I loved Gana first time around and havent seen anything to change my mind about him since he has come back. I also agree with you about our best midfield players. I don't think the system we play is as effective when Doucoure isn't there, he like Gana have great engines.

If we can keep these 2 fit then I think even without any of the 10 point deduction back we can survive. While he has been good all season since McNeil has come back from injury he hasnt been the same, whether the injury is still bothering him. Also hope Seamus has recovered to be back, we miss his attacking threat. Not sure what hapened between him and Romero after we scored but Seamus stood about a yard away from him and just stared at him.

Nick Schaefer
281 Posted 05/02/2024 at 14:51:15
We are really feeling the effects of having a short-handed midfield. We need Onana and Doucoure back. I think that will help settle the team down and also get players like Young and Harrison back to their more natural positions. Will help create more depth too. I wish we had another winger so McNeil and Harrison don't have to start and play large minutes every game.
Eddie Dunn
282 Posted 05/02/2024 at 14:55:58
Eric @273. I heartily agree with you.
Gana and Duke have been notable in their absences and I think young Onana has benefitted greatly from their industry, closing down space to give him the time he needs.

However, Onana will develop into an excellent player, even if he does need a water-carrier.

Gerry Quinn
283 Posted 05/02/2024 at 15:09:25
From Everton News...Idrissa Gueye (16 recoveries in total) and James Garner (11 recoveries) regained possession 18 times in the final third against Tottenham: the most of any side in a Premier League game this season.
Brian Wilkinson
284 Posted 05/02/2024 at 15:46:15
Hi Tony@279, their goalkeeper was on the goaline and daft as it sounds even if Richarlison is behind the goal line in the nets the rule classes it as the player being on the goal line playing Harrison onside, must admit I did not even know anything about the rule of a player standing in the nets behind the line as being classed as being on the goal line, not sure where they dug that rule up from, a new one on me.
Tony Abrahams
285 Posted 05/02/2024 at 16:48:45
Thanks Brian. Finally a rule that makes a bit of sense!
Tony Waring
286 Posted 05/02/2024 at 17:25:11
Just before our equaiser Dragusin and Beto went for a ball in the Spurs area. Dragusin wasn't even looking at the ball, he deliberately obstructed Beto to prevent him latching onto the cross.

Is deliberate obstruction no longer a foul? Just thought I'd ask !!!

Paul Ferry
287 Posted 05/02/2024 at 19:20:00
Paul Hewitt 277:

"The fact that Harrison has been awarded that goal, shows everything that's wrong with the Premier League at the moment".

Really? Seriously PH? I can think of a fair numbers of things that make the Harrison "goal" look like the smallest cell in the smallest amoeba ever found.

Number one is fairly obvious, I think.

Jerome Shields
288 Posted 06/02/2024 at 16:08:33
I won't agree with doing away with Z Cars. It is my phone ringtone. It and the the theme to Robinson Crusoe make life worth living.
Danny O’Neill
289 Posted 06/02/2024 at 16:17:33
Each to their own.

I'd personally ditch that People's Club tag.

It smacks of “plucky little Everton” in my opinion.

I love what Everton do for the community and wish they would expand it across the city and region outside of L4 to have more reach. It is is a noble cause.

But we are football club. That's our primary focus.

Frank Thomas
290 Posted 08/02/2024 at 13:31:00
Tony (286)

You are absolutely correct: When was the last time a foul for obstruction was actually awarded (Rule 12)? I think that is when Dyche was given a yellow card.

I rewatched the game on Sky and although it was a foul (92:38 on the match clock) it was started outside the box. You can see the foul better on the replay on the far camera.

All the Calvert-Lewin excusers need to face the facts, once again a great cross from the wings (Young) and a perfectly placed Calvert-Lewin slammed it over the bar – either post and it is a goal. Contrast that against Richarlison's goals both placed not hammered home.

Obstruction Law

Obstruction is when a player moves into an opponent's path to block, slow down or force a change of direction when neither player can play the ball. It is not a foul if players are already in each other's space and an accidental collision or contact results.

I know Calvert-Lewin has come close to scoring a goal (40 mins?) against Spurs but, at this rate, we are going to sell our silverware (Branwaite and Onana) to fund another winger to service him.

Great move by Dyche to use 4 subs – our energy levels went right up.


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