Chermiti signing finallly completed

“Mindful of age”
“Raw”
“Potential”

Fearing we have Thelwell doing right thing with signings like this and Dyche determined that people like Young are safer. The old “one for uou, one for me” we saw in Koeman and Walsh days.

Hope the kid succeeds, suspect Dyche will treat him like he has Simms and Cannon. Few token bench appearances and loaned out by January or next summer for “experience”.

Rather than criticise Dyche for potentially not picking young players, perhaps wait and see what he actually does.

His comments today suggest why…..he doesn't think they're mentally ready. Arteta (top) suggests otherwise.

Not sure what his price tag has to do with price of fish.

He's the right manager for this moment in time, but not to build a team that will challenge at the right end anytime soon. Hope the club move on Maupay to leave him no choice but to give the kid a go, but he'll just put a winger there instead. Like he did last season too.

Some fans have already looked at Chermiti's goal scoring record as an indication he will not be up to Premier League standard.

Yet Cristiano Ronaldo arrived at Manchester United with a record of only three goals in twenty five first team appearances for Sporting.

:)

Did I read others saying he'd never sign, typical Everton etc?!

And Mike, it is common knowledge this is the Rondon replacement.

I think that's a pretty good deal for a young talent.

He's 6ft 4 with a bit of pace but not rapid. He's decent in the air and can link play well well with his back to goal. He can look a bit scruffy with his long levers and is not the cleanest striker of the ball but seems to have decent movement. He's skillful enough though his decision making needs work.

He's something like a mix between Adebayor and DCL.

He will need time to adapt and develop and we probably won't see the best of him for a few years.

But he's a great fit for how Dyche wants to play and has the potential to be a £40m striker if all goes well. Let's try and be patient, he'll probably look terrible at times this season but hopefully manage the odd goal if called upon.

The fees for some players is reaching ridiculous proportions.

I think we'll need him for this season.

I don't know much about this kid, but like the look of him (as if that meant anything).

He's surely the back-up to Calvert-Lewin? I mean, c'mon… Maupay?

Good luck, young man.

I'd just love it if he came straight into the team and looked great straigh taway. We're due one like that!

On another topic, I see Andros Townsend, a free agent, has not been given a contract by Burnley, who he had done pre-season training with.

I feel we should have retained Townsend on a moderate, short-term contract as he is a decent player who offers a goal return also. Good luck to him in finding another club.

If this lad does even half as much, on the pitch, as a certain Graeme Sharp, he will do for me. Welcome, or should I say, Bem Vindo Chermiti.

Just seen that Konyaspor have released Morgan Schneiderlin, 9 days after signing him on a free from Nice. That must be some sort of record. Maybe he took the piss during training!! We couldn't, could we??

The problem is we don't have a side full of top players so using young players is a big risk for the manager. We have Onana, McNeill Patterson, Branthwaite, Garner, Dobbin and now this lad – all 23 or less, in or around the first team and maybe with more to come if the rumours are correct. So to say Dyche is ignoring young players is a stretch, to say the least.

I think right now we need to consolidate our position in the PL until we move into the new ground. After that is achieved maybe Dyche can consider using even more young players. But for right now we need a decent start to the season so he can't afford to get carried away.

I also read that about Schneiderlin's contract. It all went downhill for him after Southampton didn't it. He was certainly a stain on our recruitment history, not the worst signing under Moshiri but up there with Tosun somewhere.

Let's not forget he's 19 years old and moving to a foreign country.

And more importantly, it's the first game of the season tomorrow.

I'm not sure I will sleep. Poor dogs.

From the snippets I've seen his game may well be suited to the Premier League, but need to see more to have any sort of worthwhile opinion. He will likely need more strength in his core to deal with the physical stuff, but that will come.

It's unusual to see a 6ft 4” Portugal striker who has some technical ability too, I can't remember any others. If he has the resilience and mental strength to overcome the physical challenge he will be a good signing. Thelwell has scouted him for a while and rates him highly, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

Welcome and good luck Youssef.

Probably the type of signing we should have been making in years gone by. A £10 million plus investment for potential with a view to making that back and more in a few years

We are still in for more ready to go candidates on the frontline. This one is for the future and for a different look to what we have set up in the past.

I was going to say League 1 at best but thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt..

And yes, apparently, there were some who doubted he'd sign for us.

General comment re signings...other clubs also have issues getting players to sign with some transfers taking ages not just us. It's just that we don't tend to take much interest in the miniscule details of other clubs.

However, I like what Brighton do, buy low, sell high...

New blood in to the side! Welcome Yourself in to the Everton community!

Arteta has a much bigger squad at Arsenal and could buy and play players of any age he wants. He wants to play the youngsters and his gamble is far easily as big as Dyche. If he didn't give kids a go at threadbare Burnley he won't anywhere.

Stop trying to change facts. Argue he's a good manager…..fine. But to ignore such facts as 69th out of 69 is simply ignorant.

The fact that Arsenal have a much bigger Academy and their catchment area is Greater London compared to Burnley, Blackburn and Clitheroe is also irrelevant.

The signing of Chermiti (19 yo) and hopefully Gnonto (19 yo)/Ekitike (21 yo) is a plan from the DoF to spend our transfer meagre budget on young players that the manager won't play. Bad news also for Branthwaite, Patterson, Onana, Garner and McNeil (average age 21.6 months) as this manager won't give kids a chance.

These are the hard facts apparently.

Everton appear to have been handed a significant transfer boost in their pursuit of PSG striker Hugo Ekitike amid Borussia Dortmund links.

According to German media outlet Waz (11 August), the Frenchman refused to join the German side and even they are unwilling to spend big money on a striker.

The Toffees, per Foot 01 on 10 August, had made a bid for the 21-year-old and it was accepted by the Ligue 1 champions as well.
This is most certainly a boost for the Toffees as they've already shown the money PSG want and it's now down to the striker.

It seems Dortmund do not have the funds or do not want to spend them on Ekitike and his wages and this is an ideal scenario for Everton.

Or did he wear his old Number 47?

No, nevermind… I was wrong: he wore No 47.

He may be 69th out of 69, Gary, but he's only done 5 months… in a relegation battle… wwith most of the squad injured. Some of these things don't appear in stats.

Like I said earlier, he didn't have Garner or Patterson available for most of his tenure but played them both when fit. Maybe if he could have picked them more often, he wouldn't be 69th?

We actually go into the season with a lot of young players so either Dyche doesn't hate kids or Gary from ToffeeWeb is right?!!

"Long term replacement for Calvert-Lewin. Hopefully he'll be ready to step up in 18 months time or so once he's aclimatised to the premier league."

That's great. He should be ready to start our second season in the Championship then.

UTFT

"Chermitti Mitti Bang Bang"!

I had a good chuckle at that! Brought back memories of a lady of the night in Thailand.

While I think statistics are useful you can use them in any argument but personally I prefer to see with my eyes and for me Dyche has improved the performance and shape of the team.

While his decisions to constantly play Maupay, Keane and Godfrey leave him open to criticism, I would not agree that he doesn't play younger players.

Obviously younger players generally don't fit into that category. Dyche's mission is to get us to mid-table. Developing youth players is more of something nice to have on that journey.

If you don't have the assets then you cannot play them. Everton have several very decent young players, and Dyche has played them. If we also had Saka and Martinelli in our squad then Dyche would play them. It's about what is available to you.

At Burnley, the young players of requisite quality just were not there, and it would have been reckless and irresponsible to risk them if they had been assessed as not ready. You can only work with what you have.

It's ironic that you are comparing those of us doing some interpretation with flat-earthers because the person with the most entrenched view here seems to be you.

Any truth to the legend that when Dyche played at Millwall he wore #69 out of 69?

His value won't grow stuck with the U21s though.

I'd just like a better future too, and he isn't.

Everton's squad was the 11th highest when it came to average age, but would have surely been relegated if they hadn't swapped the very inexperienced Lampard, for the experience of Dyche?

Not facts, just my opinion, but hopefully Dyche and Thelwell are on the same page, because this has got to be a lot more important than arguing about a player's age.

It's a long time since everyone pulled in the same direction with regards to Everton, and this is why anyone under the age of 30 (I'm always conservative) will never have seen the once mighty Everton, win a cup.

You confuse statistical modelling with cold hard data taken across a very broad sample of over 100 games. By your “it's all statistical and opinion” logic, no scientific data ever is admissible.

Your argument is akin to arguing demographics in a census… just utterly bizarre. Suck it up and accept it.

Gary, some of us have stat backgrounds so please don't go over the top on definitions and standards. It's early in the season man.

With a kid of 19, I can respect that too…….but both my explanation and yours are conjecture. The fact is, he doesn't play them as much as any other regular manager.

One doesn't have to disprove the other, it's a shame so many entrenched think it does.

My view is that after what he has done it is somewhat disrespectful to criticize now for future possible sins. This is even if you've got central limit theorem statistical certainty of your claim.

How many deviations would you like to keep head in sand on simple and undeniable conclusions?

I just think that in the long run, if he isn't forced to take a chance or gamble, we'll break even over next 5 years and continue to struggle.

Personally I'd like a manager who takes a gamble on youth – à la Ajax, Atlanta, RB Leipzig, BVB, Frankfurt, Lens, dozens of others. Surely I am entitled to that view without being attacked by the “Dyche is the messiah, how dare you point out facts” brigade?

You could be right, but if he and Thelwell are on the same page regarding transfers, it would make the decision to spend money on a 19-year-old completely illogical.

Cherm Chermiti, Cherm Chermiti, Cherm Cherm Cheroo
You've scored once, now give us two ….

Personally I feel that if you ain't giving youth a chance at smaller clubs or on smaller budgets, you simply never will. But that's opinion and differences they're good with me.

Don't sell out, though, turn it all down.

Uncomfortably, I will declare that a time will come when we have enough in place to go for one of the young great minds in the game. I will likely be one who will say Dyche deserves to stay as long as results are acceptable. In this sense, you are right just way too early in my easily discounted opinion.

Maybe that's where Burnley and to a lesser extent Everton fall down.

He was the partner for the superb Eusebio and his name was Torres and he was very tall and gangly.

I do not confuse those things at all. I use statistics and modelling every day of my working life. Only today, I was teaching statistics. Fortunately, my students appreciate the importance of context and interpretation better than you.

As for what you call my “it's all statistical and opinion” logic, I offered no such thing. I was merely pointing out that even 'facts' often require qualification and interpretation.

Like I say, I'm a scientist, so I am fully aware how scientific evidence works, and few things are rarely 'proven' by 'facts'. Usually there's just evidence for, and evidence against.

So, perhaps avoid telling strangers to 'suck it up' when you are, in fact, full of shit.

“21 seasons in the competition he amassed totals of 374 games and 217 goals, surpassing the 200 mark for Benfica alone.”

Something tells me we're into something good with Chermiti.

Toffee
Bramley
Pink Lady – using that to refer to the women's team.

There seems to be a core theme...

Perhaps we should get sponsorship from Apple?

Steady on a little Brendan: the fee is hardly on the larger side and we have a teenager who is relatively unknown. It's the smattering of one-upmanship that rankles.

I wish him all the luck in the world and hope that he is a great success and there are signs online and in what he says here to give us some confidence.

I'm a tad worried if this did come from Dyche's mouth: “this one is for the future”.

The pressing issue is now, the present, today, tomorrow, next week etc. I'm not getting bogged down in the Dyche/youth back and forth, but I do hope that Youssef does get enough first-team time to make a case for himself.

We need new and current players who will work hard to make sure that we do not hover over and under the drop zone this season. We need one or two more and I wish that we already had them. We don't right now but I still see grounds to feel that we will not struggle as we did last season under this manager.

Ian @96 - As regards your Apple theory. Remember some apples have a worm in them that makes them rot from the core, so you may well be right.

I know you could argue that Dyche had 7 years to breathe but I think he gave Burnley massive foundations and believe that Kompany would have been helped massively by going into such a stable club that Dyche had helped to create.

I would love Everton to start concentrating on younger players; I think only winning trophies would give me more pleasure but the Premier League is a brutal league so kids have got to be ready.

Silva finished his first season with 8 clean sheets in 11 games and didn't need young players like Moise Kean, imo. I personally thought this changing of direction should have come a little bit later but I'm aware it's all about having different opinions.

I know we got our money back on Lookman and Vlassic but it still saddens me that only Calvert-Lewin has really made the grade at Everton out of the very good batch of young players that we had when Martinez was sacked. I personally believe things would have been much different for a few of those players if we had been a more stable football club instead of becoming the most dysfunctional club in the big league.

I agree, we need to start concentrating on youth but I believe that, more than anything, the club needs stability right now.p>

One for the future does make me worry about the DoF model once again, Paul F.

Not so much "one-upmanship" on my part... more a huge sigh of relief that things may not be as dire as some rush to predict.

We've signed a guy who fucked us over and didn't want to know us.

We've now signed a guy who can play in our Under-18s.

However, given the idiots running the club, it does appear we don't have to sell – so far – our main guys?

When we had a stable team under Silva, I thought it was exactly the right time to bring in very high-quality younger players who we could develop and introduce into the team. We didn't have the money to really kick on from an 8th-place team at that stage – but we could have hovered around that level for 2 to 3 seasons while introducing some players with genuine Champions League class potential. An opportunity missed.

As for Chermiti, he has only started 9 league games and only 1 again opposition of any calibre (Porto – against whom he scored). The other games he started were against teams much, much weaker than Sporting. It's a completely different kettle of fish for him at Everton where every single game is a battle and only the three promoted clubs are not quite at our level (and even then the gap isn't huge).

So, as much as I'd like to see plenty of him, it'll be no surprise if the introduction is slow. As I said in previous threads, Sporting Lisbon obviously don't yet consider him a regular starter for them – and have turned to a more mature Championship striker in Gyökeres to lead their line.

Something's wrong, something's not quite right, but maybe it's just me because I'm not prepared to say anything good about chairman Bill, or our owner Farhad, who I believe has been tied in knots.

Wayne Rooney...allegedly partial to a Granny Smith.

But I'm optimistic that things will improve at least on the football front with Sean D. in charge for a full season.

In terms of Blue Bill I wish it was otherwise but can't avoid feeling you'll have to be prepared for the long term in respect of your boycott.

He signed a kid who wasn't quite ready for £27 million, but never replaced the pace of Kurt Zouma, which effectively killed Silva's pressing game tactics? It's all water under the bridge now, but it did show us that if the director of football and the manager are not on the same page, then whatever a club is trying to do, simply won't work, imo?

Still a great set of pips...

Sadly, one of those lessons was failing Silva (a good manager) very badly in the transfer market. Different ways to look at how it went wrong - but I do think Thelwell is going about it the right way this summer (hunting out a mix of quality, experience and potential at very low cost / very low initial outlay and with modest wage demands). That's got to be the right recipe for where we're at right now.

I am in a philosophical mood right now, I could talk football all night with certain posters, and the new season always makes me think of old faces and yesteryear, so I'm hoping George McKane, is in better health.

I know Andy isn't going to Goodison for the Wolves game, Brendan, so if you want the ticket just let us know mate, because I go away next week and will give it to somebody else if you can't make it.

Maybe you will want to come to Liverpool with your partner or someone else to watch Everton another time Brendan, and if this is the case just let me know and I will keep you a couple of tickets for another game.

Football is a brilliant sport, I've made countless mates over many years because of my love for both playing and watching the beautiful game, so at least I'm giving a little bit back thanks to Bill The Bastard, esquire.

I just hope Chermiti can apple-ly himself to being our striker.

I keep thinking we might sell Onana, but with the price of midfielders in this window, I also half-agree with the poster who said that one good year and Onana, could be worth £100 million, so I'm not so sure Thelwell will sell now.

It wouldn't surprise me if Dyche had a different idea though! We will see, and although it's frustrating, it's also apparent that Everton have got some very decent good young players in our ranks right now. I just wish we could get rid of the annoying fucking orange!!

According to media reports, they're not all on the same page.

It is being claimed that senior people at the club were unaware of any approach for Chermiti and there is consternation in the corridors of power.

Whether that alludes to Moshiri, Kenwright or both it doesn't say but the lad doesn't want to come anyway so Che Adams it is then …. sigh.

Give that ticket to someone.

Not in the best of health right now... nothing serious but I can't think about travelling for a bit.

I'd really like to go with Andy (not sure why) so I'll try to arrange something later in the year but will for sure take you up on your offer...

Keep the faith!

Dyche also said he didn't like talking about players at other clubs, but in his next sentence said Gnonto is a good player, even if he his only nineteen.

I hope both yours and also Andy's health improves alongside Everton's, Brendan!

Lattice hope we get a win today.

I've no idea what's happening with any takeovers or partial stakes in Everton but people are saying that there will be an announcement in the next few days but it wont be MSP.

It's the hope that saps the mind but this squad will give its all for the Evertonians.

UTFTs!

I know lots of people who work 9-5 5, days a week, so they must love work, no? Just because you have to do something doesn't mean you want or like doing it. I'm sure there are many things you have to do every week that you don't like or want to do, if not, I envy you. Context is everything, not an excuse.

Perhaps, just perhaps, Dyche has HAD to not play youngsters rather than not wanting to. Few people "know" why Dyche has played so few youngsters, and I suspect you are not one of them ;)

Anyhow, at least we all (most) agree that Dyche is the right manager for us at this time and wish him all the best for the season ahead.

Like this transfer window observing Brighton, it looks like the club are bringing in players that are very high potential and not too raw but have proven reliable with a history of playing some professional football at a decent level already. Like Garner, Onana, Patterson, and now Chermiti. Even bringing back Virginia, Dobbin and Branthwaite on loan puts them in this category.

In development plan terms like any company onboarding plan, I see for the young players in the squad:
*Year one in the Premier League is about adapting and is not too difficult for very talented players with experience of playing top flight football,
*Year two is becoming a top Premier League player and is not a giant step for a very talented young player with two seasons in top flight professional football by then.

With this in mind, by the end of this season the regardless of the opponents, the team will be much better after the young very talented players improve, adapt, and find a way to do things a little bit better than they knew at the beginning of the season. Look at Onana (after a very shaky moments in the first few games last season) and McNeil.

My opinion, but I can see this team really improving and surprising a lot of people under our astute manager, especially with his record of developing a very young McNeil at Burnley and doing it again at Everton so that McNeil has become a top Premier League player.

We know Dyche prefers experience over youth as we have seen with Branthwaite etc, so the chances of Chermiti leading the attack anytime soon are slim to zero.

I think Dyche would have preferred Antonio from West Ham as he is older than 30 and has plenty of experience. I am beginning to really worry about the lack of quality recruitment and with no out-and-out goal scorer to fill in for Calvert-Lewin, we are going to struggle as evident from the result against a poor Fulham side yesterday.

At least I was optimistic last year that Frank could turn us around; I don't have the same confidence in Dyche who is pretty much one-dimensional in his tactics and likes to play his favourite players without giving youth a chance.

I guess Dyche heard that you don't win anything with kids.