Dyche: 'I don't shy away from poor win record'

First thing he's said tha I've agreed with!

For fuck's sake, play three in midfield and make the other team fight for the ball; then, when we get hold of the ball, bleedin' make sure we pass it to one of the Everton players.

It's so easy, especially if you practice often enough!

That's the solution you've been searching for!

I am not sure if it means supporters were concerned about his appointment or the running of the club in general?

Either way, it's time to go.

Personally, I cannot see how Dyche is going to pull us out of this and December will show how poor his tactics are.

"My arse".

I thought Gueye was very effective and really important in the first half, having to do so much running and covering because we do lack a body in midfield. It was the complete opposite in the second half, when he had a lot more time; this epitomized the whole team and the way we continued to be set-up.

After reading what Dyche said about Ndiaye, I had to agree that he never found the pockets to get on the ball once he moved inside, but he did have the look of a player who had no real belief in either the system or the players around him.

I was calling for Patterson; I wanted to see what the very ineffective Lindstrom could produce if he was moved inside. When Beto finally came on, I just sat there feeling dejected when McNeil was trying to drop his shoulder and dribble, because we never had the craft or the gumption to create an overload down the flanks.

A sorry day, but we have had a lot of very sorry days since Martinez's first season, whoever we have had in charge.

I don't fancy our chances away to Man Utd next. First home game for the new manager.

The gap between the midfield supporting the lone striker is far too wide.

However, if you can't sort out the problems in 3 years and in fact have gone backwards with selection, tactics and game management, then it is time to go.

You are the weakest link… Bye.

Probably still uses the 'long stand' routine on the renowned, hilarious and completely outdated Gaffer's Day.

Stop trying to be rational – deaf ears abound.

Injuries, VAR, officialdom, lack of a chequebook, legacy issues, the players... he's done them all. And that is against the teams we could've got a lot more points from.

The chequebook excuse will undoubtedly come out if we get hammered by the teams we face soon. I wouldn't put it past him to defend well versus one of them and nick some unexpected points.

But it's gone beyond a joke and he needs to be fired. The pinnacle of his career is Everton. We're fond of calling our players "Championship at best", well he is a coach of that level or lower.

Most supporters do appreciate the job Dyche did when he came in, under very difficult circumstances. However, he is becoming increasingly defensive in his comments, often suggesting that the fans' expectations are unrealistic.

We appear to be going backwards under his leadership, and totally bereft of offensive ideas.

“[Scoring goals has] been a longstanding thing here. So, you know, how we find that… most managers do that by chequebook. We can't do that. So, therefore, the development continues".

I've seen little to no development in either our strikers or offensive patterns, and this comment reeks of excuses and desperation.

Definitely time to go.

Even in this lean financial period, we've continued to purchase duds and have relied upon Calvert-Lewin to lead the line for years, and – apart from one really good season – he's not been a reliable goalscorer.

Failing that, at least somewhere for the rest of us to read or exchange news and views about our club, with all 'Dyche must go' comments sent somewhere else.

The 'Visit Ukraine' tourist website is a more upbeat site than ToffeeWeb nowadays.

Are you disagreeing with the sentiment, and therefore of the opinion he should stay and is doing a reasonable job?

Or are you bored of us all seeing and saying the obvious, with little chance of it changing until new ownership?

Broja? Okay, he's on loan but we signed him injured – and he's still injured, lol.

£16M on O'Brien.

Don't make out, Sean, like you haven't had the money to go and get a better striker than the one that wants to leave right now.

I'm so sorry that you do not read what you would like to read on here John. But do remember that the not "Dyche must go" voices are in a minority and if anyone is put somewhere where they can "drone on to their hearts content" it will be you and others of your ilk.

It would be a little Spenymoor town FC-like bunch on here if the "Dyche must go" lads and lasses were invited to pack their bags. I think that certainly one probably both of our eds/mods would go with them.

As I said, what a daft post and the quality of exchange of news and views on here if John and his gang take over would be poor and low given the quality of Mr. Pickle's post.

And (what did we expect?) Pickles's post ends on a daft nonsensical note that I think he thinks is smart and funny.

John, you can always go and create you own little hole in the internet for your like-minded little group. Otherwise, don't log on. Read poems, have a bath, fix that door handle you said that you would take care of six months ago, or do lego.

Just listening to Pep earlier today - excuses, excuses. Even the best do it after every defeat. Never honest and say It Was The Wrong Tactics or similar. Never their fault. They are all the same in that respect.

Young and Harrison were just not good enough and needed to be replaced. I just couldn't believe it when Young was given another year and Harrison another loan season. What's that definition of insanity?

Please show me where it was decided that the majority of Evertonians want Dyche sacked. Surely you aren't taking it just from postings on the site. Personally, I haven't a clue either way whether they do or don't.

As you do rightly say, the ownership issue is the main issue at the moment; I just wish I could read comments on it without having to skip through the ones that offer nothing but opinions on Dyche.

Ben, I think Dyche gets more stick than he deserves, but I am of the opinion that he is never going to deliver anything special. His removal may help, or it may not, that was not my point.

Robert's article on possible replacements was, at least someone putting some effort in on the subject. You say that this is what the site is like when a manager is nearing the end is true, but it doesn't make for great reading.

I find I am visiting the site less and less at the moment, and I usually avoid matchday threads comments altogether. Over the years, I have enjoyed many interesting and humorous posts and articles, I find them thin on the ground at the moment. I know the good stuff will be back one day. but I just find it rather a depressing place at the moment.

I must know, jeez, 80? 90? 100? Evertonians. Not one of them who I have spoken to wants Dyche to be in the job. Not one. The only difference is about when that might best happen. We don't just move in ToffeeWeb circles when it comes to our Everton (only one of those lads and lasses to my knowledge, posts on here).

I think that you can be certain that if a poll was opened for Evertonians the vast majority would want him gone.

It is "depressing", John. I agree. Have you read how many on here who were at the Brentford game called it "depressing" or some variant? Dear God, even Danny O is down in the dumps. Everton is "depressing" at the moment.

Even the U21s with Broja, Patterson and O'Brien starting lost 1-0 to Watford today who lost their last game 8-2!

The only glimmer in the last couple of weeks has been our ladies beating the red shite with a deliciously wrong penalty decision to lift them from where – you guessed it – the bottom of the table.

"Depressing!" How on earth can ToffeeWeb not reflect that or do you want us all to become dead funny like Stan Boardman, Tom O'Conner, or side-splitting John Bishop and dance while the bomb drops???

You are the manager. You and your staff are on the training ground with days to get the formation and tactics right before the fixture takes place; if the results are not coming in the games, that reflects on you and your staff.

If Dyche is not shying away from his poor win record, then that leaves it to the board to assess if that is good enough and act accordingly.

A sad photo. A photo that says he gave his all, but was still found wanting.

Pity… if it was a dog, you would shoot it.

Everton aren't going to be relegated under this "lame duck" board. What's the incentive for this board to do anything?

That's Dyche's forward policy at Everton. A low block of 1-4-4 where the wingers don't overlap but invert to provide another scoring option. So there is limited interplay, the priority is to get a shot away.

The problem is that McNeil is off the boil both shooting and providing crosses from set pieces, and Calvert-Lewin is not getting into the box. Both Harrison and Mykolenko would rather get a shot away and Ndiaye didn't do either against Brentford.

Doucoure and Lindstrøm are not getting in shooting positions in the box. Braithwaite and Tarkowski are not getting opportunities at set pieces. The problem with this is the play is largely in front of the defence and it suited Brentford's defensive tactics.

I smell trouble… hope Dyche can too.

Dyche is a dreadful manager. Fuck him. He'll be gone soon enough. No Mourinho or Moyes, please.

A young thrusting Coach, who is seemingly on the way up in his career. Preferably, Austrian, under 30, no experience of the Premier League, who manages the game on a skateboard in his technical area.

"A young thrusting Coach, who is seemingly on the way up in his career. Preferably, Austrian, under 30,"

Dunno about our next manager but would make for a great porn movie. "Egon does Everton"...perhaps.

One poster was disparaging him but saying he could get the same opinions in the pubs on County Road?!

The biggest problem for motivation is that the manager's contract and 9 players' contracts end this season.

The players do not seem confident regarding Dyche's system. The system is defensive even in attack when the 1-4-4 low block converts by inverted wingers to an attacking formation with midfielders arriving in the box with the intention that chances fall to whoever the ball breaks to. Often players seem to be running beyond Calvert-Lewin into positions he should be in.

The main problem is that the majority of the play is in front of the opposition defence. No overlapping wingers to get beyond and turn it. There was one through-ball in the Brentford game, but Calvert-Lewin needed an extra touch.

20 something set-pieces straight to the goalkeeper by McNeil didn't help. But even with that, there was no-one challenging the central area and no-one within miles of attacking the near post.

The full-backs getting forward was tempered by the three breakthroughs by Brentford in the first half, which exposed a lack of pace and the need not to lose.Weak pass completion in the final third giving rise to another doubt.

Even two up front did work because of a lack of interplay and no touchlines, as Everton put in nothing but diagonal balls more in hope, than actually targeting a run.

Dyche has a motivational problem to sort out, with his stalwarts being off form, which is likely to get worse after Xmas. Actually playing the so-called difficult fixtures against the top half teams may suit Dyche's system better, giving more space and a higher defensive line to beat.

Dyche seems to be giving the impression he is doing the best he can with players that are below par in their roles. He needs to be pushing those that are not selected for options., as well as those selected. Using competition for selection is not an option. A collective kick in the arse seems to be the only solution, Sean.

You could say that's good for morale, we're all in this together type bullshit, but to me, it just says he's still clinging to the line that it's always been shit here so just put up with it.

I can't stand the fact that he always finishes with "So the work just continues". I think he even bores himself now… imagine what it's like for the players in training.

And please don't say they're paid millions blah-blah, if you're turning up every day to be bored shitless and told to run up and down hills, your wages won't make you play better on a Saturday.

It looks like he's thinking: "I haven't got a clue what I'm doing".

I can't wait for this to all end and some optimism to sweep through the door. Ironically, I believe that will require Sean Dyche to go out the other way.

As the Joker said in Batman:v"I'm an agent of chaos"... sums up his tactics perfectly.

I know there are generations who have had that expectation beaten out of them, but there are still many around who expect.

Not what we've been watching recently.

He's no longer the man for the job. This season was our opportunity to push on, instead we're fading backwards.

The new stadium is the only positive thing about our club.

I can't see anything changing under Dyche, he will just pray he gets lucky and then say we have turned the corner.

What is more worrying is the teams around us seem to have turned the corner and have actually done something Everton don't do –score goals. Has there ever been a more miserable watch than the dross served up so far this season?

Whilst that would be nice, all we want (and expect) is for highly paid staff and players to at least try to entertain and look like they give a toss! Not too much to ask, is it?

I always said he should never have been given the job in the first place. What in his CV suggested that he was the man to get us moving upwards? He was the cheap option as he was out of work (sacked by Burnley when on their way to relegation) and with our finances the way they were, I guess that was enough for the board.

He gets far too much credit from the media who always seem to give him an easy ride and when they trot out the same lines about “Dyche knows how to survive… Everton are good enough and will be okay,” it does my head in!! We are clearly not good enough playing tactics dreamt up by Dyche.

Another shockingly unimaginative decision from Thelwell. Hope he's sent packing straight after Dyche.

I can't stand what we're being served up just now, and my early season view that a 'better the devil you know' approach was more likely to achieve safety has now been replaced by a 'save me from this tedium and downward spiral' view. But I have zero regret about us appointing him when we did.

Can't agree Nick. When we employed Dyche and even his immediate predecessors we were confined to bringing in managers whose recruitment didn't involve paying out any compensation.

Dyche was the best of a very limited bunch.

John Pickles has something to say

anytime now.

Wonder which of them will lose the most balls? Probably not Sean. He will be using his putter off the tee to minimise risk.

Suicidal, kamikaze, call it whatever you want, but it was absolutely awful defending by City. I bet Pep regrets signing that new contract.

It's a matter of when. If it happens in the next few weeks, I hope they know what their next step is.

Lampard was taking us down and relegation would have spelt the end of this club as we know it. The only priority was to stay up - hence Dyche was hired.

He was also available at the time with no compensation needing to be paid, which was a bonus. He's kept us up two seasons now, job done. Time to move on, however.

Any sort of derby debacle and he's gone – or should be.

A replacement though? That's the real problem.

TFG should call and tell him to go on holiday for a couple of weeks, there'll be a spot for him around mid-December.

That's been a gradual but very visible regression throughout his term. He can't turn that around now.

There is only one answer. It 100% will happen. But who can step up to actually do it? And how bad does it have to get before someone will step up to actually make the change.

And I'll add that by now nobody is unaware of the 'One Trick' our cart horses perform.

It might be Interesting exercise to look again at Head Cart Horse's first game (vs Arsenal?) to compare the enshittification he's presided over.

Remembering that this was a team heading only one way under Lampard with multiple capitulations either side of Christmas.

I don't know how many United sacked in their purge, I can only hope their new guy is not yet fully up to speed and our 'one trick'... whatever the fuck it actually is... catches them out.

I know that Slot will be fully briefed.

Yep

But we have the lowest goals scored in those 2 seasons and are 14 goals lower than any other club. I know stats don't tell the whole picture but those are pretty conclusive which shows where the fault is.