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Train capacity will be increased to meet the extra demand for Everton’s first match at their new waterfront stadium at the Bramley-Moore Dock next season. 

With the fixture list for the Premier League 2025/26 season released on Wednesday, fans were quick to mark August 23 on their calendars. The Toffees will host Brighton & Hove Albion in the first official fixture at the Hill Dickinson Stadium following their move from the historic Goodison Park.

To cope with the increased demand for passengers on that route, Liverpool City Region Mayor Steve Rotheram has promised to double some Merseyrail services. Fans faced transportation issues during the test events at the 52,888-seater stadium. Large crowds had also gathered at the relatively smaller Sandhills station, which could create a “dangerous situation.”

"There were problems with people hours before trying to get into town and we only had four carriage trains on," Mr Rotheram said.

"So there will be eight carriages from an earlier start."

Everton’s first match at their new stadium will also coincide with International Beatles Week. Thousands of Beatles fans are expected to pour in from across the world to celebrate the legacy of the iconic group and gigs have also been planned at the historic Cavern Club, the birthplace of the Beatles and at The Pier Head, all just a mile away from the stadium.

The Mayor also urged the fans to walk from the city centre or from other nearby Merseyrail stations in order to abate the situation at Sandhills.

"We need to use Bank Hall more, we need to use James St more and potentially even Moorfields more," he said.

"We are hoping that as people find their own pattern of behaviour, because that's what happens with football fans, that they will perhaps come into town, find a pub that they want, and then people will take their own time and get there in plenty of time for the kick-off."

A fan management zone could also be set up close to the stadium, which will help with the increased footfall and would "help to ensure that people can arrive safely and leave in a safe manner".

 

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Benjamin Dyke
1 Posted 19/06/2025 at 15:02:56
It seems a shame that the transport links have not been approached with the same diligent methodology as the build of the stadium.

Everything gives off a feel that no one on the council has really got to grips with it and the strategy sounds a bit like "let's just hope everyone walks there".

Paul Kossoff
2 Posted 19/06/2025 at 15:46:56
This fucking idiot actually admitted that the council thought the stadium would never be built! That's why he said nothing was done in putting in transport improvements.

If it was the other lot, the council would have bent over backwards to help them. No amount would have been too great for the red shite.

The recent conclusion about the location of BMD was that it should never have been built there. I said when the site was chosen that it was not suitable because it's only one way in, and one way out.

Building it right next to a major transport link (not suited for pedestrians) was madness. We will see when the test event takes place, just how difficult or easy to get in and out.

The pedestrian links from town and along the river should have been built along with the stadium. Putting them in place after is ridiculous. The council should be embarrassed with the sheer lack of professionalism regarding fans getting to and from BMD safely.

Now telling fans not to use Sandhills station, unbelievable! Let's hope all goes well with the test event, but it will not be with anything the council has done.

Paul Hewitt
3 Posted 19/06/2025 at 15:59:23
Benjamin @1.

I believe the council probably thought the stadium wouldn't get built, so did nothing in way of the transport structure.

If the RS had built it, a new station would have been done.

Paul Hewitt
4 Posted 19/06/2025 at 16:00:29
Sorry Paul never read your post before I sent mine.
Paul Kossoff
5 Posted 19/06/2025 at 16:09:19
That's okay, Paul.

Plagiarism is a form of flattery, only joking! 😁

Jack Convery
6 Posted 19/06/2025 at 16:47:56
As someone who has used the Southport line for more years than I care to remember, it will only take a train failure or god forbid, a lost soul, jumping in front of a train, for chaos to ensue.

Put a ferry terminal near to the ground and establish a park and sail system on the Wirral. This will ease congestion, with less cars travelling through the tunnels, and increase revenue at the ground, as more people will have a shandy or two in the bars inside.

A new station nearer to the ground would help enormously. A couple of multistory car parks wouldn't go amiss either. Maybe the club could acquire the land and build them, bringing more money in. It's not rocket science, is it?

Danny O'Neill
7 Posted 19/06/2025 at 17:00:23
Jack,

Unfortunately, that is common on the London Underground, arguably the most extensive transit system in the world, with trains every 2 minutes.

London has a population of 9 million residents. At certain times, with visitors, there are probably in excess of 15 million.

Hit the underground at rush hour on a good day, and you struggle to squeeze onto a carriage and often have to wait for the next one as the doors won't close.

Pete Neilson
8 Posted 19/06/2025 at 17:01:22
Jack (6) as I remember it the initial plans included a multi storey but English Heritage objected and would have dragged the project out indefinitely. Not being satisfied with that plan being withdrawn they then campaigned for the whole Bramley Moore project to be denied. I expect many of the businesses in the area will open up their car parks on match days. We’ll find out pretty soon.
Paul Kossoff
9 Posted 19/06/2025 at 17:10:20
Jack, the problems all exist now. All the pedestrian safe walk ways, all the parking areas, tram lines from the Pier Head, ferries, all should have been on the plans set along with the stadium from day one.

As you said, it's not rocket science for someone to say, "Hang on, we need to plan for 50,000 fans getting in and out and to BMD before anything else is agreed on."

Come to think of it, the people on the council are still apparently in the Stone Age, so rocket science hasn't been invented for them yet.

Jack Convery
10 Posted 19/06/2025 at 18:16:11
There's always the Leeds - Liverpool Canal.

Have a few day tripper boats with alcohol licences, to gently move Evertonians into the adjacent dock!

Les Callan
11 Posted 19/06/2025 at 18:53:14
Wouldn't the question of car parking have been addressed when planning permission was applied for?
Neil Copeland
12 Posted 19/06/2025 at 19:02:48
Les, although on a much smaller scale, the village hall where I live applied for planning permission to increase its car park. It was refused on the basis that people using the hall should be from the local community and encouraged to walk, cycle, use public transport or car share.

So, based on the above perhaps LCC is fully aware of our local support…..
Peter Mills
13 Posted 19/06/2025 at 19:17:55
People having to walk long distances. Cars dropping off family and friends. Derby Road coned off to one lane each way. Pavements not big enough to deal with the number of pedestrians.

The majority of fans (including opposition supporters) trying to get through a small number of gaps in the dock wall. An inadequate rail provision, with a hopelessly small station.

The city narrowly avoided a disaster a few weeks ago. There is scope for mayhem.

Tony Abrahams
14 Posted 19/06/2025 at 19:23:50
Living in the city, I also think that, with Anfield now holding 62,000 spectators for every game, it also needs a train station.

With money from the government coming into the region to help with transport infrastructure, it will be very interesting to see how LCC, spend the money.

I've read people on ToffeeWeb, talking about a monorail, going right the way along the waterfront, and think that there could be a massive amount of money to be made by a private company if anyone invested in such a scheme.

I say this because there are a lot of residents living all the way along the waterfront now from this side of Otterspool, all the way to the soon to be developed Tabacco warehouses and this is only going to increase imo.

This plus a large percentage of the 52,888 going to Hill Dickinson Stadium every other week would I'm sure bring in a huge profit over time because of the demand. Even though I'm not sure how expensive it would be to develop, it would definitely be worth it in the long term.

Above all the mayhem you talk about Peter, it's the exit points that are the biggest concern to me right now, mate, because I got a weird feeling when I look at those walls that they would have definitely been moved if they weren't listed.

John Raftery
15 Posted 19/06/2025 at 19:29:20
Les (11),

If car parking provision was addressed during planning, it was simply to note there won't be any. The Council wanted to make a virtue of green transport provision.

That would be fine if public transport was up to scratch. Plainly, as in the whole of the UK outside London, it isn't.

Don Alexander
16 Posted 19/06/2025 at 19:34:28
Peter (#13), I couldn't agree more.

Somebody/s have displayed mega recklessness and neglect in letting things get this far.

Never in the whole history of the docks have 50,000 people descended en masse to any part of them – not even when Mae West visited in late 1947!

Kev Johnson
17 Posted 19/06/2025 at 19:42:09
Better Train Connectivity... is a shit title for an article.

As someone who worked in editorial for years and years, I should know – and I do.

Like I said, 100% poo.

Dennis Stevens
18 Posted 19/06/2025 at 19:52:25
Too right, Kev.

I'd go for "Transport Mayhem — Forever!"

Mike Gaynes
19 Posted 19/06/2025 at 20:03:09
Kev #17, from one journo to another, a bit harsh I think.

Anjishnu is a young writer learning his craft, and I give him credit for not falling into the common online practice of "clickbait" headlines that attract eyeballs at the expense of accuracy.

Anjishnu may be a bit ponderous with his phrasing (okay, maybe more than a bit), but he's scrupulous. He'll get better.

Ged Simpson
20 Posted 19/06/2025 at 20:18:04
And from another J, Mike. Agree.
Dennis Stevens
21 Posted 19/06/2025 at 20:22:22
Perhaps I should add, in light of recent comments, that I am not a journalist – of any kind at all.
Brent Stephens
22 Posted 19/06/2025 at 20:30:25
Mike #19 - nice touch.
Geoff Cadman
23 Posted 19/06/2025 at 20:42:27
The way the statement is worded, I get the impression the extra trains will only be provided for the Brighton game because of the Beatles festival. There is no mention of the Roma game.

I use Merseyrail every home game and catch the soccer bus from Sandhills. I was given a preview of what to expect with the early kick-off on Grand National day. We gave ourselves an extra half-hour travel time. When we arrived at the station for the 10:45 train ,it was delayed and did not arrive until 11:20. By this time, three 8-coach trains had passed on the way to Ormskirk.

When we finally boarded the train, it was packed and was still quite full with Everton fans after leaving Aintree. As we pulled into Walton, an announcement was made that the train was terminating and to leave the train.

The next train arrived around 10 minutes later. We decided to leave at Kirkdale and walked, reaching our seats just as the siren and Z-Cars sounded.

Tony Abrahams
24 Posted 19/06/2025 at 21:26:59
Sandhills will never be big enough to cater for so many people so I believe they need to build another station to help both share and divide the load.

The new station would only feed the city centre for a few hours on match day and Sandhills could do what it always does and help feed people going elsewhere.

A monorail makes sense, another landing stage on the river makes sense. With the huge volume of people, I'm not sure how trackless trams would operate safely, but as everyone is repeatedly stating, we definitely need a lot more infrastructure, especially for those cold, wet days in winter that are definitely not for the faint-hearted if things don't improve on the pitch

John Chambers
25 Posted 19/06/2025 at 21:55:36
Tony give the lack of public finances developing Sandhills is probably a more likely option to progress. Building a second platform shouldn’t be beyond the wit of man. It is only the same distance as Kirkdale to Goodison.

And for those complaining about car parking Goodison isn’t exactly overflowing with car parks. Stanley Park car park is about 3/4s of a mile and pretty much anything else is residential so people gamble on getting a ticket.

I am surprised that a Park and Ride from Stanley Park hasn’t been proposed as a solution.I’m sure over time some of the local wasteland or entrepeneural businesses with parking facilities near BMD will offer parking.

Another option is we turn the fan plaza into a mass parking lot for electric scooters and we can whizz into town on those

Bill Watson
26 Posted 20/06/2025 at 01:39:21
Sandhills and public transport is the responsibility of the LCR (not the council) and falls under the remit of the hapless, and hopeless, LCR mayor Steve Rotheram.

The long term Merseyrail strategy included building a new station roughly between the Titanic Hotel and the new stadium but this was quietly dropped about 10 years ago.

Current bus services between town and the north docks is non existent. I think there's one bus a DAY along Great Howard Street and none along Regent Road.

Monorails, trams and ferries are a non starter because of the initial capital outlay for a service which would only really be used for around a maximum of 50 games and events a year.

After the fiasco following the first test event Rotheram was panicked into coming up with the plan for a bridge over the station, to the northern platform. Work has yet to start but even if it began now it would take months to build.

Rotheram is obsessed with the ridiculous bendy buses as the solution to link the city centre to the football grounds and the airport. Meanwhile, Andy Burnham has secured funding to extend the MCR tram network to Stockport!

Fiddling around with Sandhills won't solve the problem. The station is too small and that's it. The only real solution is to build a new station nearer to the stadium.

Eric Myles
27 Posted 20/06/2025 at 02:46:58
True Les #11, I remember when Desperation Kirkby was talked about the Club had to provide all sorts of transport plans to and from the stadium.

Was it Wyness who said they expected a majority of fans to travel by bicycle??

Anyone have BMDs planning application? MK?

Ray Roche
29 Posted 20/06/2025 at 05:48:15
John Chambers@25
John, I wrote to the club suggesting a Park and Ride a couple of months ago but never even received an answer. No surprise there then.
But it’s fairly logical, many fans, me included, have parking arrangements with residents etc and could continue with these but with getting the bus to BMD instead of going into Goodison. I agree with Bill though, Rotherham is too thick to hold down the position he’s in, the job is too big for him, unless he’s in it for personal gain of some sort.
Kev Johnson
30 Posted 20/06/2025 at 06:18:12
You're probably right, Mike @19. I struck the wrong note. My bad.

(If the powers-that-be could remove my comment @17 I'd be much obliged.)

Danny O'Neill
31 Posted 20/06/2025 at 06:35:58
Nice words Mr Gaynes.

Kev @30, I wouldn't be too hard on yourself. Sometimes the emotion gets to all of us.

Not necessarily this particular one, but I personally don't know why people get over-excited about the title. I tend focus on the content.

Keep posting Kev.

Kev Johnson
32 Posted 20/06/2025 at 06:56:52
Cheers, Danny. Appreciated. Not sure it was the emotion getting to me, more the Belgian pilsner!

Also thanks to Mike for the thoughtful way he pointed out that my tackle was maybe a bit on the high side. I've had a word with myself.

Mark Murphy
33 Posted 20/06/2025 at 07:12:07
Kinell Kev - stay off that stuff. You’ve had a mare, mate!

(But you've made me think so no

#### from now on)

😘

Danny, you are the king of tabloidy headlines!

I’m sure your match reports are sometimes delayed until you’ve thought up a headline!

“Tractor obstruction”

“Pain at the lane”

To name but two of your best!

Mick O'Malley
34 Posted 20/06/2025 at 08:04:04
This is one of the reasons my dad has given up his season ticket he has held since the early 60s, when we were at Goodison he'd park off Priory Road and walk to Goodison, a 10 minute stroll, it's going to be mayhem this season getting to and away from the ground until everyone finds their preferred route and parking specks, we definitely need plenty of soccer buses from town and Priory road
Andy Duff
35 Posted 20/06/2025 at 08:07:42
No mention of sorting Northern Rail out. It's a complete joke. The trains hardly ever run every two hours on a Sunday from Huyton, Broadgreen, Roby etc. Any Sunday games we have will be a nightmare.

Especially as they have made it impossible to drive there and put up all the car parks more people will be using trains to get to town

Andy Duff
36 Posted 20/06/2025 at 08:12:56
Also nothing in place for the full-capacity test event against Roma on 9 August, so what are they going to do then?

Rotheram is an absolute clown, he's had years to sort this out. He knows he's safe no matter what and will get voted in regardless

Eric Myles
37 Posted 20/06/2025 at 08:26:32
Match day Ferry

There you go Andy

James Hughes
38 Posted 20/06/2025 at 08:33:37
Kev @32 could you please ensure your tackle is suitable in future mate 😉
Danny O'Neill
39 Posted 20/06/2025 at 08:42:16
Reading that, it benefits people travelling from the Wirral. But then they will still have to sail past the stadium and walk from the Pier Head.Or have I missed something?

I guess it does help alleviate pressure, as would other initiatives.

The best way to use the ferries would have been to build a landing stage at the stadium.

I do notice the difference when I travel up from London and use South Parkway, but never had a problem with Northern, Transport for Wales or West Midlands franchises.

But that is on the west coast mainline as well as Merseyrail, so well-served.

Also, it has 6 platforms serving both. For me, that design should have been the benchmark for a station near the Everton Stadium.

As for a buses from town, at the last test event, I counted 3 buses doing shuttles from outside the Empire. Maybe they'll put 6 on?

Matt Traynor
40 Posted 20/06/2025 at 08:46:48
Conservative estimate (I did actually price a monorail system for a town in Asia about 6 years ago!) – a monorail would cost around £50-55m per kilometer. That includes everything – track, stations, rolling stock, systems.

I haven't lived in Liverpool for a couple of decades, but the question would be where would it run from/to, so as to provide demand to justify the investment. 20-25 game / event days a year at BMD won't cut it.

Danny O'Neill
41 Posted 20/06/2025 at 08:57:29
Agree Matt,

That's what the route would need to take into account tourism and run along the waterfront.

The Wuppertal "Schwebebahn" overhead suspended system in Germany is a good example. It takes pressure off the roads.

Not Everton related, I always said a monorail should have been installed between the new airport and south parkway. It would have been a much better experience than waiting for a bus.

It works at Düsseldorf between the airport and station and many other airports I've been to around the world.

I think that train has sailed now. As you know, it would be a huge project and not quick.

Eric Myles
42 Posted 20/06/2025 at 08:59:15
Matt #40, it wasn't the much lauded monorail in Pattaya was it?
Mark Murphy
43 Posted 20/06/2025 at 08:59:24
Talking about Ferrys, it’s been relatively quiet and peaceful on here lately - where has he gone??
Andy Duff
44 Posted 20/06/2025 at 09:09:46
Eric last time I checked the Mersey doesn't flow through Huyton...

We have the river Alt but it might be a bit small for a ferry.

Matt Traynor
45 Posted 20/06/2025 at 09:10:11
Eric #42, never made it to Pattaya, but no it wasn't. It was actually for one of the city's within Metro Manila. But they had no money, and I was doing it as a favour to a friend who worked for the mayor.

Of course I guess in the UK you need to add in other factors - like the "HS2 component" - so multiply any final figure by 3, and treble the implementation time!

Bill Watson
46 Posted 20/06/2025 at 09:18:30
Ray #29

MPs are basically just voting fodder. A city region mayor gets paid much more than an MP and has much more power.

Brian Harrison
47 Posted 20/06/2025 at 09:23:14
What a pity we have Rotherham as our Mayor and not Andy Burnham, mind its nothing new how this great City of ours seems always to be behind the curve. You only have to go back 50 years were Manchester had Ringway airport as it was called then and of course we had Liverpool airport. They made their airport an international airport and ours is still very parochial, yet I would imagine most foreign tourist would rather visit Liverpool than Manchester. We have known about the problems a waterfront stadium would have ie only 1 road access. Yet for 4 years Rotherham sat on his hands and weeks before the new stadium was about to have its first test event he was proudly being photographed saying they had put new barriers at Sandhills stadium, yes that was definitely going to make a difference.

I don't think EFC can get away without taking some responsibility mind when did fans ever come high on any football clubs agenda.
For the coming season we have paid for a parking place at a local school, I say local its a 30 minute walk from BMD.

John Williams
48 Posted 20/06/2025 at 09:58:16
Rotherhams pay was less than £3,000 more than what the City was paying Joe Anderson. Andy Burnham receives more than £20,000 more than Rotherham.

Your pay is dictated by the size of the region you are in control of. The West Midlands Mayor receives just over half of what Burnham is paid.

Yes, they have more control than an MP in the area, but constraints of money coming into the area dictate what it can be spent on and Greater Manchester has received far more investment than Merseyside.

Barry Williams
49 Posted 20/06/2025 at 11:22:03
Put more carriages on!

I take it back, the man is a genius with forethought beyond anything I have ever encountered – wow! My apologies for thinking he wasn't on the ball from the start!

I will now happily pay my inflated council tax with glee and joy!

Barry Williams
50 Posted 20/06/2025 at 11:25:20
Danny O'Neill - 7

In Tokyo they hire people to push you on – a stray errant limb popping outside the door – no worries – we'll push and bend it so you can go on your merry way!

Bill Watson
51 Posted 20/06/2025 at 11:44:45
Just checked and Rotheram gets slightly more than he did as an MP but, of course, an MP's salary excludes their very generous allowances, so Rotheram probably now gets considerably less than he did as an MP.

Funding does, of course, depend on the size of a region but it also depends on the lobbying, vision and ambition of the mayor. Burnham has the latter two but Rotheram doesn't.

A recent example was the Liverpool - Manchester joint bid for another train service from Liverpool to Manchester Airport. They get a new underground station at Piccadilly and improved links to other Manchester stations. All we get is another train to Manchester Airport when we already have one.

Rotheram was part of the bid which made no mention of a link to Liverpool Airport. His solution is a bendy bus which will cost £Ms just to alter road junctions to accommodate them. The 'integrated' rail-bus network he's always talking up is just one bus, the 10a, which stops outside Lime Street Station and none outside the even busier Central Station.

A few years ago, I asked him about bidding for funding to bring the missing Merseyrail link, the outer rail loop, back into use but I had to explain to him what and where it was. The man lacks vision and ambition and is small-time. Unfortunately, we're stuck with him.

Laurie Hartley
52 Posted 20/06/2025 at 12:06:10
I don’t think trains are the answer. I would have thought a shuttle service of buses along Great Howard St backward and forward from the pier head to Blackstone St might help.

Make the dock road pedestrians only for the period an hour before and after the match until such time as they sort that one out.

As for car parking I still think they missed a trick by filling all of the dock in. They could have had parking under the pitch area at least. When they build a multi storey building the first thing they do is excavate a big hole - for a car park.

Maybe they will do that below whatever gets built on the Nelson dock.

Si Cooper
53 Posted 20/06/2025 at 12:48:15
The guy’s an idiot.
If the stations are all on the same line then the vast majority of people are going to want to get off at the station closest to the ground if they then need to walk the rest of the way.
Expecting punters to plan around his failure to come up with the best solution would be laughable if there weren’t some serious safety implications if a station can’t physically cope with the numbers who may all turn up at the same time.
Soccerbuses running from Bank Hall, Sandhills and Moorfields would probably work okay.
Kevin Molloy
54 Posted 20/06/2025 at 12:56:00
How do they guarantee the players can get there in good time?

I can see a situation where the only way to make sure is by boat. No need to worry about traffic jams… but what an absolute farce.

John Williams
55 Posted 20/06/2025 at 13:01:27
Bill,
Where you referring to the old Cheshire Lines route? Walton, West Derby, Childwall etc? If so, this route has been discussed long before Rotherham was on the scene and always rejected for a multitude of reasons.

Many of us think, the authorities should supply a service, but we are now in a period of, if it does not make a profit, we are not interested.

Kev Johnson
56 Posted 20/06/2025 at 13:02:01
I'll do my best James (@38) but I can't promise anything. My tackle's got a life of its own!

Eric, last time I checked, the Mersey doesn't flow through Huyton (Andy @44). Ha-ha! Comments like this are one of the reasons I enjoy TW.

Kinell Kev [...] You've had a mare, mate! (Mark @33) Don't know what you mean, Mr Murphy. Okay, I scored a hat-trick of own goals, conceded a penalty and then got sent off... but apart from that, I thought it went quite well!

Barry Williams
57 Posted 20/06/2025 at 13:11:58
There are a myriad of solutions, some solutions that could also be advantageous and profitable beyond just matchdays, and if what I believe is to be correct, the stadium and any other future developments will open the area up to much more than football.

I think private investment might sort things out (eventually) – for example, as said, car parks that maybe the club own that can be used all year round too, plus hotels and the like.

It has been proven that you cannot rely on local or national government when it comes down to it.

Maybe Moshiri was onto something when he precluded the local council from involvement – after all, the then Mayor was later arrested for alleged 'irregularities' and alleged nepotism.

John Williams
58 Posted 20/06/2025 at 13:42:01
As a stopgap, until future development, they could still use the Stanley Park car park and put on park-and-ride buses to the stadium and back.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the open ground car parking area at Bullens Road and Walton Lane.

Scott Hamilton
59 Posted 20/06/2025 at 14:26:30
Right, well I’ve just spunked £600 on a hospitality ticket for the first home game.

A ridiculous amount of money but, hey, I want to tell my grandkids (if I ever have any) about seeing the first game at our shiny new stadium.

“Oi, lad, where’s me prawn sandwich, like?”

Ray Robinson
60 Posted 20/06/2025 at 14:41:40
John #58,

I have been using the Stanley Park Car Park for the best part of 25 to 30 years and asked the lady supervisor at the end of last season precisely that question.

She was perplexed that the club hadn't approached the owners (Liverpool FC ??? - my question, not hers) about continuing to use the car park with a shuttle provision, and referred me instead to the fact that the Brick Pub had come up with the idea instead.

Chris Keher
61 Posted 20/06/2025 at 14:58:24
A masterful bit of spin by saying they will 'double the train capacity' - in other words some of the earlier trains at the last test event which were only 4 carriages will now be 8 carriages. An extra 4 carriages on a few trains that should have been 8 carriages for the test event anyway? Big whoop - that will not be anywhere near enough.

In my opinion the only realistic short term solution is to have a load of buses ready to take people back to car parks further afield.

Long term the ideas above all sound nice but I have no idea how viable they all are. This will be a problem for years in my view.

At least I'll have an excuse for why I've had to spend so much time in the pub when I get home to the missus!

Brian Williams
62 Posted 20/06/2025 at 15:49:07
I know things need to be better but nowhere on earth where circa 53k people are exiting within few minutes is going to be able to handle them all in a short space of time.
There's going to be congestion, queuing, and frustration.
There has been at every home game for the last 133 years.
Ray Roche
63 Posted 20/06/2025 at 15:59:16
Danny@41

The Wuppertal system is brilliant, it's clever, was cost effective, and a basically simple idea that's still used by countless commuters and tourists alike. Worth TWebbers have a Google.

Likewise the monorail from the airport. Why are we so backward in Britain? Or am I just company's with countries that get things done and things that work!

I'm in Meerbusch now Danny, driving home at the weekend.

Paul Kossoff
64 Posted 20/06/2025 at 16:05:44
Billions more going into the docks area. Hopefully a train station may be included.

£1 billion city plan could be 'as big as Liverpool One'

Huge plans have been put forward to create a landmark high-rise development on the edge of Liverpool city centre that city bosses believe could bring with it a pivotal moment for the city as a whole.

Mark Murphy
65 Posted 20/06/2025 at 16:42:44
I don’t think Liverpool FC own that car park do they? I heard their fans are charged more for parking than ours??
Ray Roche
66 Posted 20/06/2025 at 16:51:32
Mark, as far as I knew, it was Council-owned and served the Sangster Gym(?) as well as both clubs' fans.

Whether it's now privately owned, I don't know but I never heard of the RS owning it.

Ray Robinson
67 Posted 20/06/2025 at 17:15:10
Just looked it up. It's owned by the Council. No excuse then not to use it for a park and ride.
John Chambers
68 Posted 20/06/2025 at 18:07:55
Paul that development is all the city side of Costco so any train station there is further away than Sandhills, and if you are walking that far you might as well take the extra 10 minutes and walk into the city.

Interesting that they seem to have “softened” the rules about the height of buildings as one of the restrictions on building BMD was the maximum height allowed.

Danny O'Neill
69 Posted 21/06/2025 at 08:45:42
Ray @63,

Meerbusch. Close to some of my old stomping grounds.

I spent time in Krefeld and latterly, at a barracks close to the Dutch border called Effeld, near to Heinsberg. I'm sure you know of them.

I still visit the latter once a year, as well as my visits to Gelsenkirchen to watch the Konigsblauen.

I fly into Dusseldorf these days and pick up a hire car or get the train. I used to drive, but got fed up with Antwerp (Belgium). The traffic around that city makes the M25 look free-flowing.

Ray Roche
70 Posted 21/06/2025 at 15:59:32
Danny,

Antwerp is shocking! They're putting in a new ring road and it's a nightmare to navigate! Brussels isn't much better either.

Setting off after breakfast and planning to do it in one go like I usually do. Once back in Blighty, the main problem is the M25……🤦🏼‍♂️

Bill Fairfield
71 Posted 22/06/2025 at 08:47:26
One thing you can’t accuse the Regional mayor and council of, is having foresight. Totally not guilty.
Eric Myles
72 Posted 22/06/2025 at 13:19:52
How many cars does the car park at Goodison hold?

Utilise that on match days and put on a shuttle service say 1 1/2 hours before kick off and 1 1/2 hours after and the Club has a captive audience in BMD bars and makes more money.

Or maybe they'll use that for player parking and bus them in from there?

Danny O'Neill
73 Posted 22/06/2025 at 13:42:52
I don't think it holds many from what I've seen when I've walked past it Eric.

They could maybe generate more if they freed up the Fan Zone, but it wouldn't be significant.

I suspect they may retain that for the female fixtures.

The players will be taken straight to the stadium I would imagine.

Eric Myles
74 Posted 23/06/2025 at 00:46:00
I suspect they may retain that for the female fixtures.

Of course Danny, but I'm guessing the ladies won't be playing on the same day as the men so it can have a double use.

They could put a bike shed at BMD, name it "Uncle Cyril's"?

Benjamin Dyke
75 Posted 23/06/2025 at 15:58:37
Sounds like getting the train to a match will be a nightmare. I think I'll walk from the city centre stations or coming from the Wirral, take the ferry and then walk. It's such a shame that the transport has been a neglected afterthought! It will be many years before the area to the south of the stadium is developed, creating a nicer link to the city centre.
Don Alexander
76 Posted 23/06/2025 at 21:37:25
Just came across this footage from yesteryear. https://www.facebook.com/reel/1951571552077374.

A modern equivalent would be as much a catalyst to the redevelopment of the TEN Streets and beyond as our, ahem, somewhat isolated new stadium will hopefully be.

And to think the stadium is still reliant on the very roadway the overhead used to cover!

Weird.


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