Next up: Everton vs West Ham Utd

Pickford

Patterson
O'Brien
Keane (Capt)
Aznou

Garner
Gana
Dewsbury-Hall

Dibling
Grealish

Beto

Fast start from the fucking off and attack the Hammers and we win comfortably... simples!

Didn't take Röhl long to catch on with the Everton injury curse and as for Branthwaite, no doubt be going into early November before he's even near full speed, something needs sorting out with him, for these kinds of injuries to be dragging on as much as they are.

In other news, the Scottish media have labelled Youseff Chermiti as "anonymous" last night playing for Rangers.

Another gem from the amazing world of Everton scouting.

He was asked some awkward questions and he was getting prickly. We'd better fucking bounce back Monday or we will unravel, I think. What do you guys & girls think?

I have news for you: it is not. Far more to worry about than winning or losing a football match.

We really have an inconsistent offense, if any offense at all, and that won't go away soon until January maybe.

With no goals in the last three games, one wonders if anything we have will end that.

Barry and Beto struggle and these guys were kept because Calvert-Lewin was no longer deemed good enough.

Moyes takes some blame because of his team selections and the man is so stubborn that it's unlikely to change.

The big bosses have a big problem if the results don't change.

I reckon Moyes took off the gloves in training this week, so we'll see the effect of rockets in arses to start the game, but we need an early-ish goal to settle us.

I'm going for a win, a clean sheet, and a solid performance. I would like to see Grealish and Ndiaye swapping wings throughout like they did against Wolves in the league game.

Yes, they may all be regarded (by him) as first team players but they haven't featured much because of the way the team has been playing. But, instead of building on the confidence within the team and the momentum it was generating, he throws that away.

Now we're back to Square One, confidence dented and questions being asked. The team now goes into the next game under pressure and desperate to win, and win well. Well done, the master tactician!

Today, he was very standoffish. I hope he doesn't return back to his negative self.

The blokes are all giving him underarm balls...

I don't care what he said, sometimes I think these managers want the fucking sack... stubborn fucker.

Even in his first spell here it was always a love hate relationship but we had that understanding and he understood when the fans were mightily pissed off with something he'd done.

I recall, I think it was a home game on a Wednesday night in February 2007 against Spurs we lost 2-1 in injury time, he brought a striker sub on in the second half then subbed the same player for Tony Hibbert, to a chorus of boos, Moyesie ended up going back to the dugout and throwing his coat on the ground.

I think deep down he should be pissed off at Tuesday, I'd certainly hope so because we may not have won that Cup but think of the revenue now we are losing out on, a home tie in the next round 52,000 against Chelsea for a place in the quarter finals.

Very prickly responses to routine questions… one wonders if the Wolves mishandling elicited some heat from upstairs?

But, when a professional footballer like McNeil or Barry is given the chance to go out and impress and he puts in a performance like they did, no manager can legislate for that.

I read posters claim that TFG are only interested in avoiding relegation and don't care about a Cup run. I doubt that very much after a multi-million takeover.

His coat will be on a shaky peg if he loses against West Ham Utd.

Yeah... nothing like that happening this season.

I can understand being careful with Branthwaite, but he was supposedly back on grass before the last International break, but he's still not with the group which is disappointing.

As for Röhl, supposedly a minor injury last week and he's still out. Why do we buy injury-prone players? We should definitely have kept Armstrong.

And when he was asked about a possible 6 points from the next two home games, he dampened expectations again by saying when we were in the relegation positions, we wouldn't have expected 6 points.

Not good enough, Davie. We need a confident positive attitude for Monday and some real inspiration. Although West Ham beat us in the American preseason farce, that was a totally second-rate Everton 11. We have now made a number of quality additions and, although we are still short both on goal scorers and full-backs, we should be expected to beat a poor West Ham side.

One other point I picked up: he suggested he could have used Jarrad at left-back. I hope to god he isn't planning on keeping Keane in the side once Jarrad is fit.

I'm tired of our club dumbing down expectations, year-in & year-out and sick of the 'jam tomorrow' mentality.

West Ham and Crystal Palace at home, new stadium, 52,000, pair of them need sending home with nowt.

Then we can go into the international break with a genuine positive outlook and can say it's been a more than decent start.

As I say, you pick a team and a lineup on Tuesday night at Wolves that frankly I wouldn't have put free in the Cornflakes box, then you expect stick.

Two left-backs sitting on the bench at Molineux and you play a 36-year-old right-back that can't run anymore, and leave out England's Number 1 from the squad — although baffled me, not to mention the inclusion of a player Moyes clearly doesn't want in Dwight McNeil.

Chance to fix that on Monday.

Arrange two so-called friendlies during the next international break. Play Travers or Tyrer, Patterson, Branthwaite (Tuchel won't pick him), U21 CB, Aznou, Dibling, Alcaraz, Iroegbunam, Rohl (if fit), McNeil, U21 CF or Barry or Beto. All other 1st team players who stay at Finch Farm on the bench.

Play it at BMD and charge fans a tenner, kids £5. Give all gate receipts to EitC and keep the takings from the catering. It's the least those players, who played that 1st half at Wolves, can do. No time off, keep the players ticking over.

The ticket office is closed and so any ideas on how I can resell them without me being put on a black list for future tickets from the club!

Pickford
Coleman
O'Brien
Tarkowski
Patterson
Aznou
Keane
Gana
Iroegbunam
Alcaraz
McNiel

Play Ndiaye as our striker. Stick Alcaraz out right. We need to win Monday; neither Beto nor Barry will get us the goals.

There's an argument to drop Beto, and start Ndiaye up top. But I think you need pressure on West Ham, so I think that's Beto.

Anyone coming in on the right, is Dibling. Alcaraz isn't a right winger. He can play in the 10 or the 8, or possibly wide left.

I'm not looking forward to it -- that's what Everton continue to do to me!

The constant changing of our centre forward has not worked and our new tricky forward play is too much for Beto, so I would go with Barry.

The other 10 pick themselves, sadly Tuesday night's performance illustrates we currently have few alternatives.

With a bit of composure, we should have won it deep into injury time when Alcaraz put a chance just past the post.

I bet he’s fun at parties!!

How many times do you need telling. It's not 3 games without a goal, Gueye scored at Anfield last Saturday, or has it been chalked off since then?

No wonder we are a laughing stock when we've got fans like you.

Obviously it all depends on Moyes and his starting eleven. They have to respond big time but, without a star striker, it may be down to the set pieces again.

The Villa game wasn't bad and they did well against RS after spotting then a 2-goal lead but Moyes screwed everything up against a poor Wolves squad.

We have a pretty competitive first 11, but we all know that every manager needs to rely on squad players to step up in games as well. Apparently Moyes is now to blame for selecting squad players that we all in hindsight can see aren't up to scratch.

Moyes played most of our first team in the second half of that cup game excluding two or three, and we still couldn't get a result. Who exactly should Moyes be selecting to replace them?

Respected posters like Rob Halligan, Robert Tressell and Dave A were adamant that we must play our strongest team. Why? Because they knew what would happen if we didn't and wanted the manager to commit to a serious run at the EFL Cup.

Experimenting was rotating 2-3 squad players into the team. Rotating 7 players who have had almost zero playing time this season was terrible management.

Moyes knows it, which is why he is sounding so nervous and defensive.

We need the team to focus and feed off the support. Go, You Blues.

"Nono expect hammerus. Semper victorius"

Anyone remember Latin at Merchant Taylors' with Nej Wylie? Not happy hours.

We all know what that means...

I think a lot of us expected our strongest lineup, as we do for most matches.

Both managers come into this match under pressure though only one is likely to lose his job in the next few weeks.

Ndiaye up top is an intriguing option and I think he could do well there if used right but perhaps that's a big hypothetical and, with our defenders not being the best at passing through the lines, he could have an impossible task of dealing with endless long balls in the air against centre-backs half a foot taller.

I expect the same team as started against the RS with a little more confidence and bravery at home.

West Ham have one of the slowest midfields in the league, so hopefully we can take control there, and if Mykolenko is able to keep Bowen quiet, then we should have a good shot.

Fernandes is a good player (maybe the one we should have taken from Southampton?) and Diouf is the left back I had as my preferred transfer target this summer (him and Grealish would be terrific together) so it won't be easy, that's for certain.

To me a losing streak is probably losing 5, 6 or maybe 7 games on the bounce, not 2.

I don't blame Moyes for his selection but I'm disappointed with Alcaraz and McNeil for their sulking. They both have talent and ability and look like they couldn't be arsed... was the Carabao cup beneath them?

It's time to get the feel-good factor back on Monday night with a resounding victory against the Hammers. COYB

I am still fuming about the Wolves game, it was our only realistic chance of winning a trophy. Maybe he didn't care about that cup but us fans do because we want a trophy... 1995, as the RS keep reminding us.

He'll be watching from the stands, and the players will want to put in a performance.

Also the one domestic trophy -- in all its guises -- to have eluded us.

Yes, Tuesday was crap, we lost a game of football we probably shouldn't have, and we're no longer in the cup we've never won.

And sure, Moyes did try to give some players from the wider squad a chance but all of them, with the exception of Travers, are or have recently been regulars in first team or off the bench -- some, Dibling and Barry for instance, have been actively asked to be given more game time by the very same people now eager to leap on Moyes back!

You are all free to post your own views, of course, but it's pretty weak stuff to be throwing the towel in, calling for the manager's head, or even saying he's under pressure after one setback. So far it's 2 wins, 2 losses and a draw in the Premier League, the first loss was ref-assisted dodgy penalty and the second at Anfield where our record is terrible.

Regardless of midweek, we should be going into Monday night's game against struggling West Ham with confidence of getting a result.

I'm sure I'll get brickbats from some, who'll claim I know nothing about the club I've followed for 41 years (a chunk of them on this forum), but it was so refreshing to have a little positivity on here of late around the new stadium, new owners, new signings... and for people to reluctantly agree that maybe Moyes isn't bad after all. A nice change to the boring knee-jerking negativity!

Anyway, I'll leave it there for now, wish you a nice weekend and look forward to Monday with a final 'upbeat' COYBs!!!

ps: Not that it matters, but West Ham are also out of the League cup... they lost to Wolves in the previous round.

Decimating the 1st team, which has new players with skill, and they are all still trying to find out about each others playing style, building a confidence, trying to gel, was a catastrophic mistake.

He brought in some whose performances have been extremely weak at best. Throwing together a top heavy mix of poor players, a young debutant who should be marking his first game in a strong team, a keeper who is not there yet and no clear leadership, expecting anything other than what transpired shows the manager is not at all bothered about consequence.

Unlike Dyche, who repeatedly praised fans to whatever question was asked, Moyes does not and puts over that he doesnt care. He is not a fan person. I don't think he understands that concept.

West Hams hated him in the main.

Everton fans were left betrayed. He had come to the end of the line during his previous tenure. I was not one of his admirers. I honestly believed we'd get a better manager and better players after he left. I'd failed to factor in Kenwright.

He has to pick the best against the Irons.

No Tim. He is another one that needs to be loaned out to a hard arsed team.

Moyes is a stalwart of 4-4-1-1 / 4-5-1

hoof it and hope. Grealish brings in a better alternative to that.

Illy, too.

Problem is our cm of g + g isn't good.

In the derby Gueye stopped tracking 20 yds out allowing his man in to score. This is a regular feature by him and Jimmy.

Not tracking back.

They are a soft centre not working in tandem. Drawn away too easily.

As our attacking force is pants, still. We are going to need more wing magic to set someone up.

West Ham will be no pushover.

We have to do the things we are good at and the things we arent doing.

For me the under rated Jake at RB was been a revelation.

KDH needs some scouse and weight training. He is so light and easy to breeze off the ball. But offers some good passing and running.

Keane has been exceptional. Tarks not so much but he might be getting up to speed now. Beto is our only source of striker. But we wont play to his 'strength'. Barry isn't a player (yet).

Hopefully a good result for us on Monday night.

COYB

Big chance to atone on Monday, with West Ham players no doubt relieved at the sacking of the 'great progressive coach'.

Many of the experts on here putting their well-rehearsed boot into Moyes were bemoaning 'missing out' on the great Potter. Just wish West Ham waited till Tuesday to sack him.

Not all bad, though. Some of us got 8/1 in the summer for him to be first sacked. All we need now is Russell Martin before Christmas to get the double up.

He could jack it in now (bet some thought he had) and live comfortably as an ex Hogwarter.

Funny Ol' Game, ain't it?

Hope a sensible (strongest) team of those available appear on Monday, and we get at least 3 points by hook or by some Skullduggery!

This suggests to me that the board were desperate to get it done sooner and were afraid that they would beat us and so the bizarre timing.

I hope we dismantle them now.

Sam is spot on with the Fernandes and Diouf shouts. The annoying thing is that West Ham have been playing well and been the better team in many games yet every time they face a set piece they turn to jelly. This is an easy fix for someone like Nuno who prides himself in organisation.

Let's hope they are Boiled Ham on Monday night! :-)

The last 30 years have seriously wrecked our way of thinking.

Then again, Moyes is manager, and last week lingers on.

Time for a win and the feel-good factor to return.

Despite Conor's opinion, I think I will take more notice of the West Ham fans themselves, particularly the forum Claret and Booze, where the vast majority say West Ham have been piss poor all season, except for their win at Forest.

Whoever comes in, and it sounds like Nuno, I doubt he will have any major impact on Monday night. If appointed today, he may have 2-3 hours on the training pitch, and none at all tomorrow as they will be travelling up to Merseyside.

So sorry, Hammers fans, no new manager bounce for you on Monday night.

Is he nearing fitness and ready to start training? Seems to have gone all quiet on the injury front!

The point I was making is that Potter was like Lampard for us where a lot of things seemed good but we had a recurring weak underbelly that no matter how well we played.

When Silva was sacked, he played with Keane and Mina in a high line. In most games we looked the better team however we like West Ham were so easy to play against (without Zoumas pace). It was an easy fix for Ancelotti with his nous just to drop a few yards.

My point is that Nuno's strength is organisation and most of the defenders have no pace but had success in defensive sides (Kilman at Wolves etc). My belief maybe not for us but Nuno will rectify their soft underbelly quite quickly. He will make them defend properly from set pieces, he will play deeper so they won't get exposed and has pace in Bowen and Summerville to play on the counter.

He just said he was doing well but won't be ready for Monday, I suppose it's clear as mud... typical Moyes.

Nuno got sacked by Forest before Potter got sacked by West Ham, so no payout for you I'm afraid.

They will be up for a game come Monday!

I'm hoping they will be Toffee Hammered! :-)

Tonight is an important night for us, especially after the disappointment of the Wolves result. I just hope Mykolenko is fit to play as keeping their best player Bowen quiet will be a big factor in tonight's result.