Appeal against Keane’s red card dismissed

It has taken over every aspect of the game and spoilt the whole watching experience for me. I no longer enjoy watching now after 65 years as an Evertonian. The spontaneity and excitement has gone out of the game and makes for a very sterile and boring spectacle.

I believe in the near future they will even do away with referees and linesmen (linesmen... do you remember them!) and the game will be purely run by dickheads who have never kicked a ball in their lives, we are already half way there!

Having been a season ticket holder since 1968, I think this will be my last season. I'm not happy with aspects of the new ground, mainly the lack of atmosphere, the togetherness that has been lost since leaving Goodison Park.

And getting to and from the ground is a nightmare, even worse with me now living in North Wales whereby going to every game is like travelling to an away game for me. No, time to leave the whole mess to younger fans... and God help them.

Grab the shirt, lean in with a folded arm or flat of hand, even place a hand on the shoulder... but grabbing the ponytail was just wrong and VAR meant it escalated to violent conduct.

And as for Jack Grealish... he just compounded a really difficult time for the squad... two pros, two daft cards, two players down.

Time for the squad to dig deep and find something then!

O'Brien and Tarkowski to go centre, Armstrong starts (and stays here as long as we need him). Right-back is still a coin toss, but because we need Garner central, I'd go for Patterson with Dibling in front, coach them to work together.

McNeil has to continue one more game, but on the left; make Beto and Barry fight for the place and give them more to feed on.

Tim Iroegbunam has to keep working on his game, more composure needed. The full team tomorrow will depend on injuries, but I would expect to see some younger players on the bench.

This month was always going to be hard; time to show some mettle... COYB

While watching it, I still don't know whether he received any punishment. If not, i'ts a disgrace and far worse than the Keane incident.

Though the right-back slot still needs to be sorted.

I'm still waiting for Man City's and Chelsea's three-figure points deductions...

How Michael Keane playing hairdressers is worse than that blows your mind.

The kid done his knee, going off on a stretcher.

The legal panel will have reported their findings. If there's an appeal, then say so. There is something very murky here.

Pundits refs will say the DVD incident is common sense reffing ( I agree).

Pundits refs will say Grealish is following the laws of game, which it is.

But which one is it? You can’t have it both ways, unless it’s Everton of course.

Its enshrined. You can only go through due process to get that law changed.

There is no other way.

So yet again Moyes makes a dick of himself appealing the unappealable.

As for the Bradley incident,

No red for Martinelli no suprise. Disgraceful.Arsenal fans booed the kid as he was stretchered off.

Nasty bunch.

Yup two tier reffing indeed. VanDyk no yellow. Scanalous

On corners... it's sufficient for the ball to simply "overhang" the line.

Why change the rule in the first place? No need now it's a rulebreaker which is not enforced except when it's the linesman's side of the pitch if they change the laws then enforce them.

VAR has plenty of time to inform the ref because it takes forever to take a corner with all the argy bargy. This still goes on after they have had a right good talking to by whoever happens to be the dick in middle.

I don't think I have ever seen VAR call a shirt pull which is another rule ignored. Sorry, I'm off on one again.

Fuck him off... Rejected!

Maybe we should go on strike... sadly most of our Squad have already, it seems!

VAR doesn't look at everything. They only concern themselves with goals, straight red cards, penalties and a fourth which escapes me now.

Obviously offside as well.

So a shirt pull or an illegitimate corner kick wouldn't be looked at by VAR unless either resulted in one of the outcomes I've listed above.

Most of them hit the first man anyway.

Moyes got booked for the same "offence" against Wolves. The area at the Hill Dickinson Stadium is one of the smallest in the Premier League and a fraction of Arsenal's. What's the rule regarding the dimensions... is there a standard or do clubs just decide for themselves?

Christy, the only solution is to not watch that totally embarrassing programme, fronted by Dermott Fucking Gallagher. His opinion means about as much as anyone else’s now (absolutely zilch) he his no longer a full time referee, and yet he takes so much heat away from Howard Webb, and his inept bunch of referees, because people watch his show, listen to what he says and then start getting angry at Gallagher, instead of the real culprits.

I’ve wanted the manager to highlight these injustices and blatant favouritism towards other teams on many occasions when everyone would have to agree.

Picking a clear hair pull and calling it accidental was not the time to do this. It discredits Moyes and Everton and makes us look stupid. It actually makes the situation worse because no-one will listen to any legitimate complaints we have in the future.

Embarrassed for the experienced VAR, who sent a rookie to the screen, and whilst he thought Grealish was stupid, he has since been shown a few videos of other players doing something similar, with the only difference being that they never got the same punishment.

Two wrongs don't make a right, so David carried on and mentioned how we seem to have been on the receiving end of a few handball decisions as well. Punished for handball, yet watching our opponents getting away with similar decisions against us at both ends of the pitch.

I think the day of a manager coming out and using the word 'corruption' to describe a very subjective decision might actually not be far away...

I've already covered that. Pullbacks aren't looked at by VAR unless they happen in a move which leads to a goal.

The fourth actually came to me not long after I had posted. VAR also gets involved in the case of mistaken identities where the ref books the wrong player for example.

FFS... dry January for me, Everton are playing shite, I'm talking VAR... we're got to win tomorrow!!!

John W (3): he got a yellow didn’t he? Not sure that the card matched the offence, but I did take note of Slot’s generous (?) post-match comments.

Which brings me to another point. We are talking on a thread about Keane, but maybe half of the posters are talking about Martinelli and other incidents, as if that somehow paints OUR player’s antics in a better light and detracts from the incident. This is typical Moyes.

Paul Clements (6) plummets the depths or perhaps rises to great heights in the eyes of others in his comment that Michael Keane was ‘playing hairdressers’. I do find this remark flippant, smug, and misconceived from someone who I think thinks that he is being dead funny and smart. It doesn’t help or progress anything.

I do think that a three-match-ban can be seen as excessive, but the point Mr. Clements is that Keane did pull Tolu Arokodare’s hair and that was fucking stupid and an invitation to bloodsucker Chris Kavanagh to leap in with gusto.