David Moyes accepts Jake O’Brien's red card

It's like some switch gets hit and they just crumble very very quickly. It's happening often this season but in games last season it happened too, especially in the first half of the season under Dyche.

It was gross mis-management giving Coleman another 1-year contract -- he is no good to our club. He played 3 games last season, 7 the season before.

With Patterson always injured Moyes put himself behind the black ball. Every Everton fan knows O'Brien is not a right-back... but Moyes ignores the fans.

Please go away from our club, Moyes, and take that free loader Coleman with you.

I'd get this fella signed up now and move Moyes on at the end of the season. Along with the entire scouting network.

Sick to death of this guy and his stubborn ways.

I can only think that his unfamiliarity with the right-back role caused that lapse.

"Frank's style of play never won over fans."

So why will our fans be won over?

Spurs fans are amongst the most entitled, egregious fans in football, globally. It's hardly a reason not to think he wouldn't do a good job. Mind you, Benham and his scouting network made his job much easier at Brentford.

I can't take another season of dithery Dave's KITAP1 when we're actually far better than that. He's done a decent job, absolutely, but it's time to move this football club forward. For fucking once!

It's on YouTube for those who didn't record it.

I thought you had advised, many times over the last weeks, the skipper couldn't run?

Deffo quits.

I doubt any transformational manager would, which is why so many fans still back Moyes.

"He explained that the offensive flair should not necessarily come at the cost of defensive solidity, pointing out that it is important to defend well to win titles."

"if you want to achieve something big and consistently over the years, you also need to be pretty good at defending. I haven't seen one team achieve something fantastic without being good at defending."

Comment on the Spurs - Newcastle game: "All of what we saw, including the abject performance, the inability to create chances, and the constant jeers from the crowd, have been regular occurrences at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium this season."

The Athletic headline: Managers can't change their style

Where have we heard all that before?

Tactical switches confused players. But soon it became too much, too often… and frequently at the last minute, as well.

How many times have we all read exactly the same on ToffeeWeb? But these comments are not about Moyes.

The opposition are professional footballers too. You can't expect a 100% dominance on play and, if their best chances just happen to come in close proximity, that's just what sometimes happens.

Why do people expect only our players to be perfect? It's hardly as if they are all the most expensive examples of their position, is it? Shit happens.

Their second comes from the chaos of a ball crossed into a dangerous area, with offside players confusing the defence, and with a good header our defence and keeper are taken out completely.

I think the sending off is on the harsh side and I suspect that is Moyes's view as well. It was what the commentators said as well. However, it's the sort of decision that VAR will never overturn if the ref gives it (probably the same with their penalty shout when there was some contact between Mykolenko's and Rayan's legs).

I've viewed the sending off multiple times and I can't tell whether O'Brien means to take him down or whether the contact is simply inevitable unless he simply slams the brakes on to avoid any contact whatsoever and thereby gives up any hope he has of chasing the attacker with any chance of getting a meaningful challenge in.

If he brakes, he automatically loses 10 yards to the attacker and he's not getting anywhere near. That is being caught between a rock and a hard place, but it's not necessarily the same as just choosing to cynically scythe down the player which is how I think the ref judged it.

I look at the performances of Pickford, Mykolenko, Tarkowski, O'Brien, Gana, Barry etc... and if we could rewind, I would snatch your hand off if you could offer me even a small degree of competence.

"Perfect"? The only thing close to being perfect at the BMD this season has been the buffoonery.

Yes, he was ineffective at right-back. His passing, crossing, and overlapping were poor, and begs the question why Patterson is overlooked. And yes, I'd play Patterson.

But the reason he was sent off was nothing to do with playing right-back. Centre-backs find themselves one-on-one all the time, and if he's going to be bringing them down like he's at Twickenham, he can forget making it as a top-grade centre-back.

It was a rash challenge, where I think he either needs to let him take it, and recover back, or slide and cut it out. Instead, he smashed into him and, with Tarkowski not able to recover, it's a red card.

There is clamour on these pages to play young players. They have more pace, stamina etc, but they also make mistakes. A more seasoned player probably doesn't do what Obrien has done.

Individual mistakes are costing us points.

Not to mention poor coaching and man management

I'm heavily biased where Jake is concerned. He's one of only two top-level footballers in the world known to be type 1 diabetics. It's a nearly impossible balancing act (I know) and my respect for him is massive.

It happened the other week when I’m sure it resulted in a goal for Wolves?

If O’Brien, is going to make a career playing for Everton, then I’m absolutely certain it won’t be at fullback. I fucking hope not anyway because it genuinely depresses me watching him playing in this position.

I like Foden by the way, just highlighting the inconsistencies of refs when it comes to big decisions for 'certain' teams.

In fact I can't see us winning another game there, not especially as stubborn as shit Moyes continues to field a centre back at right back an ageing midfielder who in a couple of months looks like his legs have gone completely and a centre back skipper who points the finger at everyone else bar himself when he makes a mistake.

Also I'm sick of going to night games straight from work in the cold and rain and getting home at stupid fuckin o clock.

I'm sorry we ever moved from the old lady.

Lets see who he goes with, but I don't think he fancies Patterson. Presumably they'll be up vs Cunha, who is unpredictable.

Fed up of hearing how fantastic it looks. That song by Russ Abbott had more atmosphere.

It's what we are as a club imo,Evertons best style of football.

Fast pace,throw a few strong tackles in and the crowd buy in straight away.

It isn't rock and roll football by any stretch.

Kendall’s team and Joe Royle’s team, are the only two successful teams I’ve witnessed in over fifty years, and whilst they could also play football, (Kendall’s team played outstanding football) they also made sure they won the battle first.

It amazes me that we have had so many managers who haven’t cottoned on to this because whilst it’s true that Evertonians, love to watch skilful footballers, it’s always been fast paced, front foot, aggressive football, that really gets us Evertonians going the most.

I have give it a miss three times this season, give my ticket away.

The football we play is mind numbing.

The sooner Jake and Jarrad establish themselves as our 10-year centre-back pairing, the better!

But that, of course, will require a quality right-back. I can't wait to see who we get in the summer.

The person who actually should be blamed for Jake O'Brien being sent off is James Tarkowski. His run attempt back to goal was frankly pathetic. No urgency, no desire. If that is his fastest effort to backtrack to get goalside (of Jake), then he should not be anywhere near the starting eleven.

We can all see how painfully slow Tarkowski now is, but his trotting back took the biscuit! With a full-on sprint back, even at his pace, he is goalside of Jake and the referee gives Jake a yellow, not a red.

Tarkowski gave up -- in my opinion, unforgivable -- and Darren Hind called it correctly.