I saw the team news as I took my seat. The side showed 3 changes: Cahill, Rodwell and Saha were all out and replaced by the mouthy Dutchman, Bily and Beckford. I couldn?t help but notice how we had defenders almost everywhere. I would much prefer to have youngsters in midfield rather than experienced defenders in there, purely because it?s their natural position. Although we all know how Moyes loves to play it safe, I swear he is getting more negative by the week.
The game began without much pattern to it. We seemed to insist on hitting long balls towards Bily; he must have lost every header except one and yet we kept doing it. Surely one of the managerial staff/players is paid enough to notice things like this and rectify them with alternative instructions/ideas.
Heitinga puffed his chest out and strutted forward to plant a free kick into the top of... the wall. Why we let him do this I?ll never know; he never looks like getting it anywhere near the goal. Around 10 minutes in came our first real chance; Beckford forcing Friedel into a save low down to his left with a well hit half-volley. He really should have scored though; he had the freedom of the penalty area and should have taken a touch and buried it. He could do with watching Bent?s goals to see composure in front of goal.
Villa then forced a succession of corners, they came to nothing although Howard contrived to stay on his line for all of them, even though most where 4 or 5 yards out. I wish we would leave Beckford on halfway for opposition corners. We invite chaos as we have everyone back and we always have 2/3 people in the way, marking no-one. Get them out of there and then the other team has to leave players back, thereby making our box less crowded and easier to defend.
Beckford hit a shot wide from an Osman corner although it never troubled the target at any stage. Villa's first real chance of note came just before the half-hour mark. A set-piece dropped to Reo-Coker inside the area and he hammered a drive at goal. Ten-year Tony pulled off a great block, throwing his body at it and deflecting it away for a corner. A few minutes later, Johnny picked up a very strange yellow card by seeming to just run into one of their players; a needless booking.
The game seemed to be meandering towards a half-time scoreline of 0-0 but our current man of the hour, Osman (I choked whilst typing that line) had other ideas though. Bily provided the assist, one of his few highlights today. He made a good tackle to rob Walker of possession and then play a ball through to Osman who had made a run towards the box. He slalomed in and out past a statuesque Collins, who turns like a bin wagon. After working a yard of space, he fired a low shot that seemed to somehow go through Friedel. Osman then proceeded to celebrate like a child on Christmas morning. I?d like to think he had a flutter on himself 1st goal; that might justify the child-like celebration. The game played out to its first-half conclusion without any incident of real note.
Half-time usually lasts 15 mins; ours seemed to last about 35 mins yesterday... We started the second half poorly and took a good while longer to realise that there was a game to be played. Villa equalised a couple of minutes into the second half, after doing pretty much nothing in the first half. Downing was given too much space down our left. This was right in front of me; it was both Bily and Baines at fault for different reasons. Downing then played a ball into the box and Bent created space far too easily and smacked the ball into the top of the net; Jagielka seemed to still be thinking about the half-time oranges.
Villa then grew in confidence as we proceeded to shrivel up and die; at least as far as passing football was concerned. Ashley Young ? I hate that arrogant, whinging excuse of a man ? played a free kick into the area. Walker proceeded to wallop it into Row Q of the Gwladys Street from about 3 yards out. Awful miss and a lucky escape; the players soon noticed we needed to pick it up or we would be in danger of losing another winnable home game.
Just after that chance, Coleman went off. He looked to be carrying a knock. Truth be told, he didn?t look fit from the first whistle and probably shouldn?t have been on the pitch at all. The invisible man, formerly known as, Magaye Gueye made his long-awaited Premier League debut.
Then began Osman?s quest to show he could ruin a good personal performance by placing a host of chances here, there and everywhere. The first was from a corner and he did exceptionally well to turn his marker and then proceeded to curl it a good few feet wide of the far post. How he missed the target from there, I?ll never know. Sunday league shooting; unfortunately, worse was to come from Osman.
Leon then wasted another great chance, blazing a deep Bily cross over from about 8 yards out. You?ve got to be hitting the target from there; these misses would soon prove costly. About 65 minutes in, came the game?s two defining moments. Gueye, who looked sharp, played Beckford through on goal. The ex-Leeds man took the shot first time and it crashed off the bar and down behind the line. The linesman was too far behind play though and didn?t give it. Beckford needs to stop trying to win BBC goal of the month though, I?ll take a scruffy looking goal over these spectacular near-misses all day.
Friedel gathered the ball and heaved it long; Young controlled and played a ball through to Bent who finished well past Howard. Firstly, the goal seemed offside and, from what I?ve seen since, it still looks offside. Secondly, what was Howard doing? Distin wasn?t that far away from Bent, I really don?t think Howard had to rush that far out of his goal.
2-1 down at home in a game we should not have been losing, with the opposition's only shots on target all game resulting in goals. Boy does that sound familiar this season? Maybe some changes would help. Silly me, I forgot it's Moyes doing the tactics, so all hope of a purposeful substitution drifted away. Jagielka advanced forward to cries of ?shoot, shoot?. I wish he had; the ball went goal bound, well for a split second, but to call it a shot would be giving it undue credit.
Osman then crowned his hat-trick of misses, saving the worst, most hideous attempt till last. Bily worked a yard of space and played a cross into the area, past a bevy of Villa defenders. The ball sat up invitingly and Osman gleefully accepted the invitation... to hoist it into the Park End. He could have taken a touch and then hit it in. I had gone from praising him to cursing him in the space of 25mins.
After having a warm-up suited to a marathon runner, Vellios finally entered the fray. I would love to know what these instructions are that we give out to subs. Surely, ?stand up top, put yourself about and try and get us a goal?, would suffice. I thought that Osman?s misses might have signalled the end of our hopes of getting anything from this one.
Step forward, the attacking dynamo that is Phil Jagielka. Any watching 2012 Olympic officials would have been signing Jags up for the Diving after that forward pike we witnessed yesterday. Makoun was the unlucky player to be penalised, as he waved a foot out and Jags crumbled as the wind changed direction. There seemed to be no contact and I do not condone diving at all... although I hate Villa and Young dived against us the other season to win a penalty... so I?ll call that karma. Baines rifled it down the middle. Game on: 2-2 and I was hoping we could snatch a winner.
The game petered out after that with Vellios having a shot blocked for a corner and Osman making a mess of a Baines pull-back. He walked away laughing at his attempt; I would have been crying after a shot like that.
Gueye looked promising: quick feet and that youthful lack of fear that Coleman had at the start of the season. Hope to see more of him as the season draws to a close. Bily wasn?t great but gets unnecessary flack, for someone being played out of position. At one point, Osman overhit a pass to him and everyone round by me moaned at Bily. He is being made a scapegoat for almost everything at the moment; Moyes needs to play him in the Cahill role to get the best out of him. Every time he picks the ball up in that position, he looks a threat. Drop Gueye in on the left side and Osman into the centre and get Johnny benched; he is never a centre mid.
Overall a strange game, the ball spent far too much time being headed around and lumped forward; although another case of 2 points dropped. Too many draws and a manager lacking in any attacking intent or belief has killed us this season. Injuries disrupted the team today although I would still have young midfielders instead of defenders in midfield. I wish Moyes, would get an attacking instinct from somewhere, please.
Blackburn visit Goodison next, and the day before my 21st birthday. Maybe we?ll line up with players in their right positions and attack from the off. Oh well, I guess that won?t happen, I?ll settle for a birthday win.
Subs: Gueye 7, Vellios n/a
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1 Posted 03/04/2011 at 15:32:46
Bily was crap... but at least he was crap trying to do something, so maybe a 5 was deserved. As for the 6 to Howard, I reckon he's cost us more points this season than he's won us ? yesterday was no different. His impressions of David James (Anfield era) with crosses and high balls and Manuel Almunia just arent funny. 4 max.
2 Posted 03/04/2011 at 16:35:40
Subs: Gueye 7, Vellios n/a
3 Posted 03/04/2011 at 16:49:51
4 Posted 03/04/2011 at 16:55:07
Bit of a soft one, there had been more than a few occasions in previous games that should have been penalties but were not awarded. Much more obvious fouls than the one on Jags anyways.
I will concede that we are not the only team to have been denied clear cut penalties this season, but I was certainly glad to see us finally get a decision.
5 Posted 03/04/2011 at 16:40:25
So come on all you critiics, you`ve even got the benefit of hindsight... name the team Moyes should have picked, one where everyone played in their natural positions.
Bare in mind you all claim Coleman is a defender ? when it suits, so come on, let's have your team WITHOUT seven defenders where EVERYONE plays in their true position?
6 Posted 03/04/2011 at 17:13:18
I fail to see how a ball kicked into the arm of a player, that is held firmly down by his side, from no more than a foot away can result in a pen! Typical United and their favourable decisions.
And no, Rooney, as a devoted Evertonian, I can confirm that I don't give two fucks for United knocking over the RS title record. I have absolutely no feelings for West Ham, but found myself whole heartedly cheering them on last night. United AND Liverpool can both get stuffed.
7 Posted 03/04/2011 at 18:29:30
You criticise Beckford for lashing in a superb strike into the net only for a dozy linesman not to see it going over the line. You criticise Jags for diving, the Villa man caught him with his foot and pretended nothing happened, Jags was going at full pelt and any touch would have knocked him over. You criticise Moyes for lacking attacking intent, yet Hibbert and Baines attacked constantly from their full back positions and Jags at centre-back wins the pen.
Osman has been asked to play almost everywhere these last few weeks and each time has been our best player, yet it doesn't sit right with you to say so. Those guys on Saturday played with pride for the shirt and didn't give in, credit where credits due.
I sill can't forget or forgive the Brentford and Reading displays for screwing up the season but you seem to bear a grudge whatever these guys do for the rest of the season. Well done, Luke, on an interesting and well written article but it would be more enlightened if you wrote it without your head up your arse.
8 Posted 03/04/2011 at 18:44:24
We could have 15 players injured and fielded our under-18s and people on here would have been asking: why didn't Moyes pick any one from the Ladies team.
This was a good open game and Villa came out fighting in the second half. They had a £26m centre forward who got 2 chances and scored both.
We were also a little unlucky ? if that goal had been given to Becks, we may never have seen Bent get his second.
Yes there are deeper issues at the club but let's not always always get mired in negativity and take some positives in these very difficult times.
9 Posted 03/04/2011 at 19:05:25
10 Posted 03/04/2011 at 19:16:40
Teams below us know how to play us which in my opinion is why we have such a poor sequence of results against lower teams. They crowd us out, put pressure on the fullbacks and force Howard to kick long, which inevitably goes nowhere near any of our players and we lose possession and are then on the back foot.
With regards Bily, he has himself said he prefers to play on the right so he can cut in and shoot, so we pay £10M for a player and, with the greatest respect to Seamus, we mostly leave him on the bench or play him on the left.
With regards to Seamus, I've been screaming for DM to actually play him and Bily on the right to form the sort of partnership Pienaar and Baines had on the left. No chance so long as PN is in the team and Hibbo is his understudy. Both are reasonable defenders but are not ball players and will never bring the ball out, and if Distin and Jags can't rely on thier help to play the ball out, it just keeps going long.
So what happened to the great football we were playing on the floor and moving the ball along the wings? I know we have lost Felli, Mickey and Rodwell who can play the ball, but if we have Premier League players who can't play the ball out then sorry but they should not be in the PL least of all in our team.
So what's the answer? Get rid of Hibbo and Neville if we want to move forward; replace them with an attcking RB (oh yes we already have one), sell Johhny as he is deffo a hexagonal peg and an oval hole, he can't be CB and he is not really a decent defensive midfielder, regardless of what he thinks about himself, and as you or other bloggers have mentioned, let's play some of the youngsters who must surely deserve a chance by now!!??
11 Posted 03/04/2011 at 19:26:17
12 Posted 03/04/2011 at 19:40:49
1) How can you class Coleman as a defender when he's played far more games on the wing and scored half a dozen?
2) It comes down to simple logic. The players injured are as follows:
Fellaini, Cahill, Saha, Arteta, Anichebe, Baxter, Rodwell (forgive me if I've missed anyone). None of these are defenders.
Therefore, any spare defenders in the squad are being pushed higher up like Neville and Heitinga simply because of the numbers of experienced players being thin. If it were the other way round would we be critical if Fellaini, Rodwell or Cahill were drafted into the back four as emergencies?
13 Posted 03/04/2011 at 20:13:19
Maybe some changes would help. Silly me, I forgot it's Moyes doing the tactics...
what exactly? Stick some boots on Saha's crutches? or fit Arteta with a new pair of legs? And what of the headline? Our three main CMs are all injured ffs.
We looked very decent for much of the game, making several scoreable chances. Considering we were using a few new players filling in spaces bereft of fit and available players, I was heartened.
And Neal Daniel, look up paragraph in the dictionary, and learn how to use the return button. People may read you then.
14 Posted 03/04/2011 at 21:06:21
15 Posted 03/04/2011 at 21:13:34
Seriously though, congratulations young man, in the bitter whinge pit this site has become in recent years, to be the most mealy mouthed really is some achievement, so put on your grey-tinted spectacles and look forward to a future in which your glass shall forever run half empty.
Who knows, maybe if you can keep it up you could even take over from the current TW administration in a few years and ensure a whole new generation of Everton fans will benefit from incessant complaining, finger pointing and general blinkered bitterness.
16 Posted 03/04/2011 at 21:18:07
Villa had a fully fit squad to choose from and were desperate for points.
But for a bad decision (yet again) our reserves would have won 3-1.
We're now 5 unbeaten with most of the first choice players unavailable.
17 Posted 03/04/2011 at 21:50:13
What gets me is that complete idiot Houllier (whether ex-Red or not) he said afterwards he felt like it was 2 points dropped. WTF???!!!
If the ref and linesman had been competent then we would have been 2-1 up not 2-1 down. The disallowed goal and Bent's second were inextricably linked. If one had counted, the other would not have happened or vice versa.
Yes, the penalty was soft, but to say it felt like 2 points dropped after being handed such a break is just deluded! No wonder they've slipped into the mire.
18 Posted 03/04/2011 at 21:26:24
As much as I've slated him in the past, Hibbert hasn't been too bad the last few games he's played, but he has never and will never be EPL standard.
This is one of the gripes I've got with Moyes. For about six years now, we've known we've needed a right back, and the only one Moyes ever brought in was injured until the last month of the season (Lars Jacobsen) and then offloaded again.
I don't have a problem with the names he put out on Saturday in the circumstances, but they were ill-prepared for the second half.
Vellios could have come on five minutes earlier perhaps, and when he was ready, all Moyes needed to tell him was, go forward, shoot, head, tackle. The four minute lecture he gives to subs before they go on is bad for morale, and seems to complicate things.
19 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:17:19
And you know this how? Care to expand?
20 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:02:23
I only started coming on this site circa 2007-08. I have always been curious to know what the posts were like:
? Under Walter Smith;
? 2004-05, when we pulled the rabbit out of the hat.
21 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:24:52
If they sit you down for a few minutes before you actually run out there, a) it makes you feel that they don't value your understanding of the game, and b) means that they aren't focussed on the game for that amount of time that they're chewing your ear off.
Also, watch the body language of the subs next time Moyes is preparing them to come on. I'm happy to hear that others see it differently, but that's how I see it.
22 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:20:20
Moyes has bought lots of right backs hence why that's usually where we are most covered. In the last 6 years I can count Neville, Coleman, Gosling and Jacobsen as players he originally intended for that role. Yes, two of those ended up being played higher up but still.
Finally, to say Hibbert isn't up to EPL standard is a joke. The guy has done a decent defensive job for nearly 10 years. I think you see a little too much of Maicon or Alves and get confused.
23 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:29:45
As I said, Hibbo has been doing alright recently, but to say he's put in 10 years of good service, well, I'm not going to agree with that. He's a fullback who struggles tackle, pass, cross, run, and read the play.
24 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:37:14
One of the best tacklers in the game... but that's no good anymore, as the pansies on the pitch mean you can't put a hard challenge in anymore.
Watching the Sunderland game, I laughed but also agreed with Steve Bruce's shout (lip-reading), it went, "Howard (Webb) how the fuck are we to have a chance of winning if we can't tackle them?"
Gosling was bought as a right back, when he came he said, "I play right back but I love to bomb up the wing" or something like that. Coleman was bought as a right back but Hibbert keeps on getting back in the team.
25 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:35:08
If what you are saying is true then morale at every club in the world must be damaged every time a sub is made because all managers seem to talk to the players before they come on, not simply Moyes.
26 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:52:21
27 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:49:59
Hibbo is only the most capped "European" player at Everton because Moyes has kept him on for the ten years. I have no doubt that a lot of other managers might not have renewed his contract during the mass exodus of summer 05.
28 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:48:08
"Hibbert struggles to tackle, pass, cross, run, and read the play?"
Tackle ? best at the club. Show me someone else as clean cut, aggressive and good at doing this?
Pass ? he's not a bad passer, he's just limited. He doesn't give the ball away which is important.
Cross ? yeah you can have that.
Run ? very fast so what are you talking about?
Read the play ? well, to tackle, you need to read play quite well... otherwise, he would have been booked a lot more.
Roman ? your points are much like an Empire associated with your name. Moribund.
29 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:55:37
30 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:57:10
Fuck me. Are you sound up top?
The mass exodus of 2005??? What mass exodus? I seem to recall we sold Grav and... did some of the old guys leave? I associate that period with us buying Neville, Davies, Valente, Shandy and Krøldrup.
So in the summer of 2005 we finish 4th and Moyesy rewards his relatively young right back who has done a sterling job by not extending his contract and selling him. Lovely.
"Cahill ? I want to reduce your wages."
"Osman ? you were our second highest goal scorer but we are going to sell you to Scunthorpe."
Tell me you are high?!
31 Posted 03/04/2011 at 23:08:28
32 Posted 03/04/2011 at 23:12:21
I don't call the release of ageing centre back Alan Stubbs, bless him, as an exodus.
Especially given he was back within a few months!
33 Posted 03/04/2011 at 23:39:55
34 Posted 03/04/2011 at 23:45:38
Who were these players? Stop saying stuff like "squad players I guess"!
You made a claim now back it up!
Or stop smoking crack.
35 Posted 03/04/2011 at 23:57:39
36 Posted 04/04/2011 at 03:33:38
37 Posted 04/04/2011 at 10:01:32
4 mins ffs. too too long. 15 secs max after that it's just blah blah blah.
38 Posted 04/04/2011 at 10:58:27
39 Posted 04/04/2011 at 10:59:55
Given the match day squad available to Moyes, he could still have gone with a Midfield and Attack of:
Gueye (LM) Osman (CM) Neville (CM) Coleman (RM) Bily (in the cahill role) Beckford (ST).
That is the team Moyes could and should have gone with and signals some attacking intent. Neville would be out of the position but the rest are all in their best positions. Surely you would all have preferred to have seen that team against Villa?
David Price; my point about Beckford was that he could have taken a touch and rolled the ball past Friedel; making it a goal beyond doubt. Instead, he went for the headline maker. He should have done the same with his second-half chance. Yes, the linesman was at fault but so is Beckford.
I am a Moyes fan; i am just currently disillusioned with his negativity. He usually waits til 60+ mins to change it, when often we need it changing at half time. Now that we have injuries, he is waiting till 70 mins and beyond. This just comes across as a lack of ideas on how to influence the game. In a recent game, we were drawing and he gave Bily 4 mins; that's ridiculous. 4 mins to try and change the game and make/score a winner.
I didn't realise that highlighting some of our managers faults makes this "the most negative article ever". I pay to go the game; that entitles me to complain if the team don't perform.
Sorry for wanting better from our team and manager. Before the snipers begin; we ARE capable of better. I want this club to develop and progress and Moyes has to be bold with his tactics and instructions to achieve this.
I won't settle for mediocrity and I don't expect any Everton fan to do so.
40 Posted 04/04/2011 at 11:22:07
Too much time talking to subs... unbelievable Jeff!!
41 Posted 04/04/2011 at 11:27:12
The person who thinks I have wrote the most negative match report ever.
Surely this isn't the same Chris James who plagiarised some of my last match report and tried to pass it off as his own?
Do you want help wiping that egg off your face?
42 Posted 04/04/2011 at 11:56:56
Even this being probably his worst game this season, he dispossessed Bent and gave a great lay off ball for Ossie. He is skillful but just too slow reacting a lot of the times. >Let him play his own role, the way Ossie is now, and we will see a different player.
Gueye, there is no way this kid would/should start this game again the English quadruplets up front against us. Coleman wasn't fit and I mentioned to my mate he hardly touched the ball or was given a pass either.
43 Posted 04/04/2011 at 12:31:50
For the record, with this injury crisis, and a lack of wingers in our squad, I'd be going for a 3-5-2 formation.
44 Posted 04/04/2011 at 12:36:12
After kicking up fuck about the team selection, you decide - baring in mind you had the benefit of hindsight ? that you would have swapped Gueye for Heitinga... sweeping changes there mate.
Oh and you`d have also played a defender CM a right back RM and a left sided midfield player up top with Beckford... you`d have also played SIX defenders.
What was that about square pegs and round holes?
Not as easy when put on the spot yourself is it?
45 Posted 04/04/2011 at 12:54:23
Neville would have to be CM as we have no one else, at all. My point is Heitinga does not have to be in there as well.
Coleman has played right midfield all season, so that point is poor, I agree he is not a midfielder but he is also the only fit and available option. Also you call Coleman a defender yet you said earlier in this post, "we don't have any wingers except Coleman". . .
Bily a left sided midfielder? Are you being serious? He has never been a left sided midfielder and never will be. For Lokomotiv and Russia he played in a central position and I feel that is were we would get the best out of him. I didn't say I would have him "up top" either I would have him play behind Beckford with a license to try and make things happen.
46 Posted 04/04/2011 at 13:09:09
47 Posted 04/04/2011 at 13:30:33
Dave was involved in a long and arduous debate on another thread about the amount of defenders in the side and was being told then that Coleman counted as a defender. Now you are telling him otherwise but I think you'll find that you are preaching to the converted (see Dave's earlier post on this thread).
Your defence of Dave's points is anorexic and you even use the excuse that "there's nobody else" which apparently is not good enough for Moyes. You are splitting hairs over his decision to pick the odd player differing from your choice.
Also, you said at the end of your article "I?ll settle for a birthday win" Will you? Or will you just come on here whinging about what Moyes should have done differently?
48 Posted 04/04/2011 at 13:39:22
My point is that there ARE alternatives to Heitinga in midfield. Namely Gueye; I would play a young midfielder with potential over an experienced defender in midfield every single time. Purely because, irrespective of age, it is their natural position
I'm merely pointing out that I would like to see a bit more attacking intent/belief in the team. I feel that the the manager is the one who looks to instill this. Late substitutions and safety-first team selections don't help this.
I am a massive fan of Moyes and the way he turned the team around; I just wish he would crawl out of his defensive shell once every so often.
If that is whinging then I must have the wrong definition.
49 Posted 04/04/2011 at 14:13:21
You have every right to "whinge" I never stop myself.
Thats not my issue, I disagree with what you are whinging about. You have written a long and critical article about Moyes, but when pressed, you picked vitually the same team.
Hopefully you`ll accept that people may well construe that as Moyes bashing for the sake of it.
Incidently, the one selection you did disagree on: how many Premier League managers do you think would have gone with an untried youngster as opposed to a seasoned international?
I`m guessing none.
50 Posted 04/04/2011 at 14:34:25
That is not asking much, even people against my opinions should be able to understand that.
I know I would only make one personnel change given the current squad; but these would result in 3 positional changes and that is my main point.
Bily would be behind Beckford instead of wide left; we might see an improvement as he would have more freedom to express himself and less restraints.
Osman would move into CM instead of behind the striker; this is his best postion and at the moment we really need him in there.
Gueye would be out wide, taking Heitinga's place in the side. Resulting in one less defender in the team and 3 players in their natural positions.
I see your point on the youngster over experience and I would be inclined to agree... if the experienced player was a midfielder
Imagine Alex Ferguson having a similar problem; he would have to choose between moving, say Smalling into CM or playing an untried young midfielder.
I think we can both agree, he would probably go for the young midfielder.
51 Posted 04/04/2011 at 14:54:59
However, I would agree with you on one point, that I would like to see Moyes be more adventurous and attack-minded when he has the personnel fit to do so.
But that's the point, he hasn't got the personnel at the moment. I can't subscribe to the mentality that when he is down to the bare bones of his already fairly limited squad, he is expected to get experimental and ambitious with attacking options.
I see your point about one personnel change meaning 3 positional changes and I acknowledge that, but even that comes with the benefit of hindsight having seen Gueye do quite well on Saturday. Had he had a stinker, I guess it would be a different story, but I accept that we can debate ifs and buts all day.
52 Posted 04/04/2011 at 14:57:42
What do you expect, when the bench had seven players with no Premier League starts between the lot of them?
This thread has descended into a playground argument between kids who have never been to a match.
53 Posted 04/04/2011 at 15:05:50
SAF recently played EIGHT defensive players in a home game against Arsenal... despite having a multi million squad available to him.
Not a good example.
54 Posted 04/04/2011 at 15:06:41
#52 When you have nothing to contribute just swear and say statements that are obviously untrue?
I can't speak for the other posters, but I am not a "kid whose have never been to a match".
I've been going the game for 15 years and have a season ticket in the Gwladys Street.
55 Posted 04/04/2011 at 15:14:43
I realise that wasn't the greatest example; generally speaking though, I believe most other managers would opt for the younger player in their rightful position.
At least you'd like to think they would.
56 Posted 04/04/2011 at 15:16:39
57 Posted 04/04/2011 at 15:23:15
The point is although they both get tagged as "defenders who can also play in midfield" and so their managers put them there when a few players are unavailable.
They aren't midfielders and neither of them are any good in midfield.
58 Posted 04/04/2011 at 16:06:25
59 Posted 04/04/2011 at 15:48:03
60 Posted 04/04/2011 at 16:20:04
But well done for trying and for not allowing them to beat you down. I used to hope he would make the kind of improvements and simple changes you suggest. But it's clear after 9 years, his bad habits and negativity are actually becoming more entrenched.
As for those throwing this "don't go the match" jibe around, seems it's just the latest in a long line of mindless put-downs for anyone daring to offer a different opinion.
61 Posted 04/04/2011 at 16:26:17
62 Posted 04/04/2011 at 16:29:17
I think describing Luke's comments in the original post as "refreshing" is weird as you don't have to look far on this site to find plenty of stuff about Moyes's bad points. I've no issue with that as it's all opinions, but posts about Moyes's failings and BK's lies are, whilst entertaining and divisive, hardly what I'd call refreshing.
Incidentally, the only post referring to not "going the match" appears to have been removed, presumably by you.
63 Posted 04/04/2011 at 16:40:41
Wasn't there before so not sure what happened there.
64 Posted 04/04/2011 at 16:38:37
65 Posted 04/04/2011 at 19:48:51
Decent banter on TW for the first time in a few days with this one. Well done mate.
66 Posted 04/04/2011 at 20:11:52
My definition of an Evertonian, is anyone who takes a weekly interest when they play, anywhere in the world.
Roman, how old are you ?
67 Posted 04/04/2011 at 20:08:52
I still disagree. I don't think Bily can handle the physical aspect of the Prem, and doubt it matters where you play him. I also think Ossie actually played in his best position. And as for Gueye? Who knows, he looked to me as if he hasn't quite got the discipline to play in any specified role ? not neccesarily a bad thing if he proves good enough.
68 Posted 04/04/2011 at 21:25:49
This is the fourth article I've posted on here now. They are all shown on my blog: http://viewfromtheroyalbluemersey.blogspot.com/
#67; I agree on that point about Bily, he does look at a loss in terms of work ethic and what to do when tracking back. Although for his size, he does nick a few tackles; Osman's goal in this game. Still think he should get a game or two in the 'Cahill' role; then I feel we can decide where his future lies.
Gueye does look a bit indisciplined but I guess if he can create thinks we might just have to accept it for now, as long as he is a success going forward.
69 Posted 04/04/2011 at 21:01:47
70 Posted 04/04/2011 at 22:03:42
Counter that with how anonymous Ashley Young was in comparison, and that's why Hibbert still gets in the team. Not for one second am I saying give me a left sided Tony Hibbert instead of Leighton Baines. Baines has had a great season he just had a bad game against Villa and wasn't worthy of a 7.
71 Posted 05/04/2011 at 05:12:23
72 Posted 05/04/2011 at 12:16:28
Er... I thought we didn't choose but were chosen? Whatever, we're all needed to spread the word, bit like those two blokes in suits carrying books who call at my house on Sundays.
73 Posted 05/04/2011 at 19:34:54
74 Posted 05/04/2011 at 22:49:27
75 Posted 06/04/2011 at 00:09:16
76 Posted 06/04/2011 at 02:47:03
77 Posted 06/04/2011 at 10:31:48
78 Posted 06/04/2011 at 17:31:00
You're having a laugh, Dave!
It is a demonstrable and valid criticism of Moyes's tenure... and one which we have had to endure repeatedly with the same players.
My favourite one is Cahill as a winger...
Moyes has ignored problem positions for years to the detriment of the side, and has been forced to attempt to mitigate this by trying all sorts of silly formations with ill-advised playing staff. The worst things is, he usually fails to acknowledge his mistake and foists it upon us time and time again... 2 years later and he's still playing Billy on the wing!
79 Posted 07/04/2011 at 00:05:11
I'm from South East Queensland, about an hour north of Brisbane. I live in Toronto, Ontario now though, and was back in Aus last year. Everton happened to play the pre-season game in Brisbane on my birthday, but I had to fly back to Toronto a few days before the game. Was gutted, but had already booked my flights when they set the date for the game.
80 Posted 07/04/2011 at 09:26:05
Bad luck or what? I travelled up through Queensland from Sydney some years ago as far as Cairns. Did all the stuff, Barrier Reef, sailing the Whitsunday Islands, Airlie Beach, fantastic place. Saw a few blues shirts there, too.
I was actually waiting for a bus in Airlie when I overheard two guys talking about the Man Utd v Everton game that had just taken place the day before....."What was the score?" I asked... Utd 5 - Everton 1. (1999) It was the only blemish in a month's backpacking. The fact that these two were both Mancs didn't help, either.
Let's hope you can manage to get to a game at Goodison sooner rather than later.
81 Posted 07/04/2011 at 20:42:03
82 Posted 07/04/2011 at 23:24:08
83 Posted 08/04/2011 at 04:02:42
84 Posted 08/04/2011 at 12:06:08
Show me a manager ? any manager you care to name ? and I will show you a man who has played players out of position. Hardly any of them will be forced to work with as few players as Moyes... but they still ALL do it.
Feeble, feeble argument.
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