Sunderland vs Everton: Player Ratings - Superb Iliman Ndiaye scores a wonder goal

I also thought Tim deserved a rating; for me, he made a difference 6.

Disappointed with Alcaraz and he deserved a 4.

Our midfield went AWOL from the 30th to 85th minutes.

Our lack of pace and thrust once again apparent and on show in abundance.

Our strikers remain bereft of knowing that netty thing between two big white sticks is called a goal and the round leather thing is what you put in it.

I'm relieved in the end to come out with a point given how that second half went, I genuinely expected VAR to give Sunderland that penalty with the Keane incident but for once no.

I can't see any goals in this side though, I can't see many clean sheets either in fairness.

We have quickly regressed this season from late August and I don't know where he goes from here.

Having said that, we could have been three-up by half-time.

Sunderland are hardly Real Madrid but keep backing off like we did and someone in the opposition will invariably take advantage. As far as Beto and Barry are concerned, the less said the better.

I fear Moyes is being told to play Beto to keep his value up, in the hope he scores a few and we can flog him for a few million... but enough is enough.

Back in the day, Moyes had Cahill up front when our strikers were lacking; get Charly up top! Our forwards are abysmal… We play with 10 men when Beto or Barry are on the pitch.

Who does our scouting?… What I'd give for a prime Victor Anichebe right now! 🙄

Alcaraz was the obvious replacement, but Moyes went negative.

When Alcaraz had a chance to win match in a 2 v1 situation, he failed to get off either a shot or pass. If that was Beto, there would be the usual derision.

For me, Dibling was the natural replacement.

I've reverted to waking up and not being able to look during the game, then squinting to deliberately blur the final score on my phone, before I look properly.

Apologies for my abject cowardice, but I am thoroughly over dreading the final score.

It's not the first time I've seen Alcaraz keep the ball rather than make the obvious pass.

Even chipping the keeper was an option when he first had the ball.

Obviously Jack Grealish is wonderful but he's a different type of player. Grealish himself would have had an assist if Thierno Barry wasn't Brett Angell reincarnated.

At the end of the day, Grealish and Ndiaye are both wasted playing in a side with no centre-forward anyway.

Regarding the Alcaraz breakaway it looked to me as if Beto ran offside and that's why he delayed the pass

Also, if Tarkowski gets any deeper during games he'll be standing on Pickford's feet. I'm gutted we've given him a new contract.

McNiel was pathetic when he came on, you'd think he'd be busting a gut to get in the first XI but he was abysmal. Moyes wants volleying up the arse for the substitutions, the timings and the personnel and for telling the team slow down when we were in the ascendancy.

It wasn't Beto that made the 60-yard run to get near Alcaraz, it was the guy you want to put out to pasture.

The problem with our midfield besides the lack of goals is that Dewsbury-Hall can't get back to help out. Last night, he should have been a lot closer to Xhaka; instead, he was in no-man's land whilst the 5-man Sunderland midfield had the numerical advantage over our 2.

I would rather pack the midfield and win that battle, then get the ball out to our wide players.

It's not working so Moyes needs to change things around and definitely drop Dewsbury-Hall and possibly both strikers.

Now you have Moyes explaining he brought on McNeil because he has been very good in training the last 2 weeks. So have Dibling and Röhl — according to Moyes — why didn't they come on?

Not having a go at McNeil because, like a lot of other players, he is not match-fit — and that is down to Moyes and his poor use of players.

Beto has the mobility of an oil-tanker and Barry just looks completely out of his depth. The fact that, out of our centre-forwards, only Beto has scored once in 10 games is embarrassing. You can't even put the blame on lack of service because our wingers and full-backs are creating enough chances.

I've been saying this for 3 years on various Facebook posts -- put Keane up front. Who remembers Paul Warhurst for Sheffield Wednesday in the '90s? A centre-back who was deployed as an emergency striker and ended up scoring 12 goals in 12 games. Surely it's worth trying? It's a maverick idea but a) he wins headers, and b) he's probably one of our best finishers.

Stick Garner at right-back, O'Brien in at centre-back (at least until Branthwaite is fit). And then pray we can get at least two proven goal-scorers in January.

Also, our full-backs are not providing chances. How often has O'Brien or Mykolenko put in a decent cross to forwards?
How often do our midfielders shoot? Only Garner can be counted here.

Also, I think Tim Iroegbunam made a difference when he came on for his short cameo.

If we get a good offer, we should consider it. If anyone makes an offer for Beto, we should accept it.

Alcaraz, Dibling and Röhl will get the benefit of the doubt until they are picked for 4 or 5 consecutive games. When will that happen, given the manager reports they are doing well in training?

McNeil gave one of the worst performances from a substitute that I can remember. He seemed to lose possession every single time he got it. His set-piece delivery was atrocious as well.

I'd have taken a point before the game but you just knew that, when we didn't go 2-0 up, then we'd concede. I thought they were nailed on for a penalty at some point last night.

Dewsbury-Hall needs to start shooting as well. He gets in good positions but chooses to feed it out wide too often for me. When we shot, we looked dangerous but the only shots I remember other than the goal were from Garner, Grealish and Mykolenko. We constantly get in good positions but then try and knock it out wide.

Moyes needs to find a way to get goals from this team.

Dewsbury Hall had a decent 20 minutes in the first half but faded after that and was really poor in the second half.

Iroegbunam was by far the best of the substitutes and must be pushing for a starting place. Our fullbacks are competent but offer nothing going forward. There is no goal threat from midfield apart from Ndiaye.

He's in the side for sentiment and as captain. O'Brien needs to play with Keane, full stop.

As for the two donkeys up front, no defence. I agree with some comments on Barry -- confidence is key but his body language stinks. And I'm sick of this age thing: he's 23 -- same age as Ekitike, Woltemade, Cole Palmer, and older than the 21-year-old at Bournemouth Kipi, Adam Wharton, Elliot Anderson -- the list is endless. He's even older than Alcaraz.

To be fair, he's still better than Beto but picking from either one of them two up front is like choosing your own death to be hit by a train or a bus.

We are bottom of the league for conversion rate so even Wolves, at the bottom of the table with 2 points, finish their chances better than us.

It's not all gloom, we are creating chances and most games starting really well for half an hour but not scoring. These second-half dire performances and missed chances are costing us.

Managers are paid to get results and make decisions, make changes. The problem is Moyes won't change. He won't take us down but that's not success.

Love the Last Of The Summer Wine comment on here about them all last night... so true.

Whoever was responsible for signing Barry, for quite a bit of money, wants shooting. He is nowhere near being ready for the Premier League (as is Beto, by the way) and should be sent immediately to the U21s, not to emerge from there until he shows some semblance of being able to hold his own as a centre-forward in the Premier League.

I'm not sure if that will happen though... but at least we maybe can find out, without damaging our first team, if he is going to be any good to us. I feel sorry for the boy as it is not his fault he came here as a centre-forward to, all intents and purposes, replace Beto. He is even less a Premier League centre-forward than Beto.

One last thought. When I saw the team and subs announced, I was pleased as I thought Moyes was going to do the right thing and, if things weren't going to plan, he was going to use the strong-looking bench to change things around.

Wrong. He did his usual Moyes thing and went for the "we are not going to get beat if I can help it" mode at the first opportunity.

I am worried now about the rest of the season if we continue as we have shown in the early season with the players we have played to date.

Some things never change, do they?

Moyes is probably in cautious default after giving so many of the new players a chance against Wolves in the Carabao Cup. An experiment that went horribly wrong.

Rather than wholesale changes, I think he should start by gradually trying out Tim Iroegbunam, Merlin Röhl, or Tyler Dibling in the midfield as, for me, this is where our biggest weakness is. Better faster possession will create clearer chances for the strikers.

Last night, he lost the ball 10 times and only completed 19 out of 24 passes. It's just not working out for him at Everton.

Someone like Wilson or Ings would have been a better stopgap solution; better still Richarlison. I would definitely have him over Dibling @ £45M, which would have paid for Richarlison.

With superb wingers and an improving midfield, any of those players would score.