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Besic deal all but done

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Bosnia international will make Thai trip

Roberto Martinez has announced that Muhamed Besic will travel with the squad for the friendly in Bangkok this weekend before being presented as an Everton player next week. A deal with Hungarian side Ferencvárosi TC is virtually over the line but the Bosnia-Herzegovina international won't feature in the friendly with Leicester.

The 21 year-old, who attracted attention with his performances in the World Cup this summer, flew to Merseyside this week to link up again with his new teammates at Finch Farm ahead of a transfer reportedly worth around 4m.

An apparent delay in the final paperwork – the Daily Mail assert it is down to wrangling over agents' fees – has prevented Everton from officially announcing him as the second signing of the summer but the club are confident that everything will be sorted out by the time the team returns from Thailand.

The next few days will allow Mo to meet the players, but more importantly it is an opportunity for him to get into optimum condition ahead of the new season," Martinez says on evertonfc.com.

I am looking forward to introducing him to the Everton fans when we come back but first I would like to thank Ferencváros for the way in which they have approached the negotiations. They have been very understanding at this point and we have enjoyed a good working relationship.

Martinez appears to have beaten off competition from the likes of Swansea City, Sevilla, AC Milan and West Ham United for Besic who played all three of his country's Group F matches in Brazil, the first of which entailed man-marking Lionel Messi in defensive midfield.

The Berlin-born player has more often been employed by Ferencváros as a centre half, though, underscoring his versatility and lending credence to his reputation for an ability to read the game.

Besic turned down the chance to represent Germany at youth level because of his preference to play at international level for the country from which his parents had emigrated and became the youngest player to play for Bosnia and Herzegovina when he made his debut as 17 year-old in November 2010.

He made his Bundesliga debut for Hamburg the same month but disciplinary problems and an apparent falling out with manager Thorsten Fink led to him leaving Germany for Hungary where he has played 47 times for Ferencváros.

Martinez admitted prior to leaving for Brazil where he provided expert analysis for ESPN that he had a shortlist of players who would be playing in the World Cup on whom he would have his eye and Besic is reputed to have been one of them. The Blues' manager got to see Besic first hand when he provided expert analysis for ESPN alongside commentator Derek Rae when Bosnia-Herzegovina played Argentina in their opening group game.

The match ended in a 2-1 win for the South Americans but Besic stood out alongside Miralem Pjanic on the Bosnian side and the prevailing wisdom is that Everton have landed a real bargain with their latest signing.

 

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Paul Andrews
1 Posted 24/07/2014 at 17:42:04
"The Blues manager got to see Besic first hand when he provided expert analysis for ESPN when Bosnia played Argentina in their opening group game...."

THE MAN WITH THE PLAN.

Dick Brady
2 Posted 24/07/2014 at 17:44:15
Well done Roberto. He sounds like a very useful player and could eventually be quite a steal for such a low transfer amount.

And finally we have our first real signing of the summer. Lets hope Galloway, Henen, Lukaku and others quickly follow.

Kevin Rowlands
3 Posted 24/07/2014 at 17:45:43
Haha just read this on twitter, Mo Besic, Fabric since some time next week...hopefully!
Derek Knox
4 Posted 24/07/2014 at 17:47:37
I wonder if they allowed him to take the barrel of lemons ( no not Liverpool FC) with him as luggage?
Andrew Presly
5 Posted 24/07/2014 at 17:49:07
"We had agreed everything in principle with Mo and his club but when Milan / Sevilla / Spurs stepped in over the weekend the player had a change of heart and has decided to go elsewhere. WeÂ’re disappointed in him and his agent but we move on with the phenomenal characters we have in the squad already."

Yeah?

Norman McIain
7 Posted 24/07/2014 at 18:00:14
The odds will be shortening for a top four finish.

Will Lukaku be the answer to our forward line?

Mark Tanton
8 Posted 24/07/2014 at 18:18:05
So will Besic be the one unveiled in black tomorrow, or is that the Belgian kid,
Keith Glazzard
9 Posted 24/07/2014 at 18:06:58
While I still want the ink to dry on this one, we seem to be building, and from the back, the way it has to be.

I’d like to see Lukaku as a sort of spiritual jewel in the crown, but that is getting more remote. El jefe must have a few more ideas.

Keith Glazzard
10 Posted 24/07/2014 at 18:21:47
ps- I forgot to say, he does look good in blue.
Tony Doran
11 Posted 24/07/2014 at 18:20:55
Erm... Dick, the is Everton; we havenÂ’t signed anyone yet.
Ross Hutchinson
12 Posted 24/07/2014 at 18:06:46
IÂ’m a little bit sceptical about this "delay in paperwork" too, Andrew. Our history in situations like this isnÂ’t very good, anyone remember Manual Fernandez? I just hope everything does goes to plan this time round but this transfer is hitting every possible stumbling block out there. Is there going to be another twist to this tale?
Phil Walling
13 Posted 24/07/2014 at 18:25:02
The level of cynicism in these columns is appalling.

IÂ’m just glad IÂ’m an optimist!!!!!!!!!

Eddie Tully
14 Posted 24/07/2014 at 18:25:41
This will be our second signing. Also, he is actually a central defender although he plays as a defensive midfielder for Bosnia.
Lakovos Lasonidis
15 Posted 24/07/2014 at 18:27:47
At last, now for 2 strikers and whoever else...
Sean Smythe
16 Posted 24/07/2014 at 18:39:02
"I knew several months ago that (Muhamed) Besic would be in the squad, because he is the only player here who can handle the job of man-marking Lionel Messi." Thus stated Bosnia and Herzegovina manager Safet Susic when announcing his World Cup squad. In terms of praise you don’t get much higher. And indeed his performance against Argentina did draw many compliments for the 21-year-old, 5’11", 172-pound defensive midfielder.

His international career had begun three years earlier when, after declining the advances of Germany, the Berlin born eighteen year old made his debut for Bosnia and Herzegovina against Slovakia, becoming the youngest ever player to appear for the country. This came at a time when he was also making small steps in the Hamburg first team, although the following season there were problems when he was suspended from the Hamburg first team due to lack of discipline and, if reports are to believed, was strangled and thrown out of the dressing room by the manager Torsten Fink. This, coupled with a fall out with Bosnia and Herzegovina U21 coach Vlado Jagodic, is not what one wants to hear about a new player, but there are signs he has left this indiscipline behind him.

He went on to join Ferencvaros on a free transfer, often playing as a central defender or right back. His success there was such that he was named the best foreign player in HungaryÂ’s OTP Bank Liga in 2013. One can put the argument forward about how much that really means when one compares the Hungarian league to our own Premier League, but a positive nonetheless. He has drawn compliments for his tenaciousness and his tackling (albeit picking up a few too many cards), all very effective in breaking up opposition attacks. Many pundits were impressed by his creative and forward thinking passing. In the Sky Sports scouting report he is listed in the category "Great Prospect". And I certainly trust any great prospects in the hands of our manager.

Overall, my initial thoughts are positive. The amount paid is hardly astronomical, so if things don’t turn out as we all hope I would expect to at least get the fee back in any future transfer. His versatility is a bonus in a squad that so often lacks depth, and with his age I feel he is in a great place with a great manager to continue his footballing education and progress and become an improving and hopefully influential player. If he is to become an influence it may be that we have to be patient as he gets used to what the Premier League is all about. Maybe a healthy amount of Europa League appearances first? We shall see.

Welcome to Everton, Muhamed Besic. Good luck and do yourself, and us, proud.


Derek Knox
17 Posted 24/07/2014 at 18:36:57
Phil # 13

Bravo! We all know you hold dual season tickets mate, one for us and one for Wigan, letÂ’s hope the fixture list is favourable for you, so you can alternate.

Keep up the good work, Phil!

Joe O'Brien
18 Posted 24/07/2014 at 18:39:36
IÂ’m a optimist too Phil but why is there more delays? Like why wasnÂ’t the paperwork ready? Are we so bad at organising stuff? Apparently so...
Harold Matthews
20 Posted 24/07/2014 at 19:17:46
Looks like heÂ’s building for 2 years down the road when a bunch of oldies finish their contracts.
Christopher Wallace
21 Posted 24/07/2014 at 19:15:07
Although slightly different positions, I see similarities between himself and Pjanic, specifically when he is on the ball.

Tidy player, quick in the short dash, sharp turns, and rarely wasteful. Thrown in his tenacity, work rate, tackling ability and discipline (in football and positional terms, not behaviour!), I think he has all the attributes be an real asset to out squad and first XI.

Granted IÂ’ve only seen Besic 8 or 9 times, but if he can get anywhere near the level of Pjanic, weÂ’ll all be very very happy blues.

Kunal Desai
22 Posted 24/07/2014 at 19:36:27
At last, excellent news. Hopefully this is the first of a few and transfers completed before the season starts. We go into deadline day hopefully looking to add one or two loan/squad players but nothing major.
Brin Williams
23 Posted 24/07/2014 at 19:41:14
HM20 - Totally agree that these are the future - the team of Â’16.
Robbie Muldoon
24 Posted 24/07/2014 at 19:40:33
So thatÂ’s Besic and Lukaku in the bag. Get the young Belgian lad, Tom Cleverly, and a couple of big loans again mixed with the promising young lads coming through and weÂ’re on our way.
Jamie Crowley
25 Posted 24/07/2014 at 19:52:44
Colin G -

How many hours has it been?

Very happy with this signing. Only saw the kid at the World Cup but he looked very good IMO and it fits our "business model".

I put that in quotes for a reason. At least we are buying low with the idea of selling high if necessary.

Mark Tanton
26 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:14:08
Any predictions on squad number? ThereÂ’s not many juicy ones going is there?
Sam Hoare
27 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:13:54
Wonder if RM sees him long term as a CB or DMC. Either way good news and looks an excellent prospect so long as he keeps his head down and works hard.
Colin Glassar
28 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:13:26
The big man is next Jamie........unless there is a massive change of heart. Fingers crossed.
Phil Sammon
29 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:27:51
Colin

I thought you were going to stop putting your neck on the line?!

Still confident? I hope youÂ’re right anyway.

Dean Adams
30 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:30:13
Will Besic play in the centre of defence alongside Stones? Could Bobby be looking at our defence with this signing? He certainly plays CB enough for his club, by all the reports. Anyone know the actual details?
Colin Glassar
31 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:33:49
No Phil, IÂ’m standing by my two original promises/predictions, ie, Lukaku and Besic. The rest of the newcomers I will keep my trap shut about. Dean, he will play centre mid with the option of playing in defence if needed.
Christopher Wallace
32 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:36:05
Dean/Sam

IÂ’m 99% sure that Besic is being signed as a midfielder. I doubt we will ever see him at CB in Royal Blue, unless we have an injury crisis.

Paul Ferry
33 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:43:06
Martinez admitted prior to leaving for Brazil, where he provided expert analysis for ESPN, that he had a shortlist of players who would be playing in the World Cup on whom he would have his eye and Besic is reputed to have been one of them. The BluesÂ’ manager got to see Besic first hand when he provided expert analysis for ESPN alongside commentator Derek Rae when Bosnia-Herzegovina played Argentina in their opening group game.

So, will the same old folks who trot out the same old Â’he shortened the transfer window didnÂ’t heÂ’ now please let it go. Actually, those very same folks seem to have gone a little quiet over the last 24 hours despite being more than usually vitriolic over the 24 hours before that.

Jay Harris
34 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:42:41
It wasn't hard to mark Messi out of the World Cup. He didn't show up.

However, at ٢ million, this kid could be a steal and the steel we need for the team.

Wayne Smyth
35 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:38:05
Great to see Besic sign, but IÂ’d really like us to get a midfielder with a bit of creativity too. All our 4 centre mids look a bit similar and I think we could use a Banega type who can do something special with the ball when teams are defending deep.

Harold (20), youÂ’re right about Martinez building for the future.

ItÂ’s clear from the age and ability of the players weÂ’ve been heavily linked with that Martinez is looking ahead a few years, rather than trying for immediate success. I think Duncan Ferguson said as much too, when talking about getting players in who were not the finished article.

I think we could struggle in the next couple of seasons while those players learn in our first team and make mistakes... however in 2 or 3 years time I reckon we could be a real force. It's the best way for us to compete in the long term.

Rob Halligan
36 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:40:55
IÂ’m with Colin on this one. I also think lukaku will sign for us. As I quoted last Sunday my next door neighbour told me Lukaku was to sign and he was very convincing.

Yes, I know this means nothing but he runs a business frequented by several sports stars, one of which told him Lukaku was to sign!!

So he told me anyway!!

Matthew Roberts
37 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:52:37
Think heÂ’ll be a CM rather than CB, unless needed there as Bobby said he wanted a new CM and that he was happy with the defence. Will be interesting to see how much game time he gets.

Looks like his strategy is to buy young cheap potential. IÂ’m feeling a lot more confident about the future than I was this time last year.

James Richard
38 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:54:51
Could this signing mean the sale of McCarthy to Man Utd for around 㿅M? Which then gives us the funds needed to match the raised asking price from Chelsea for Lukaku? So I heard. Hope not.
Harold Matthews
39 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:37:56
All action lad but, like Henen, still very raw and his tackling can sometimes be real heart in the mouth stuff,

For me, the best thing about these signings is the knowledge that they are dead keen to join us. Would like to say the same thing about Lukaku but weÂ’re all aware of his particular situation..

Christopher Wallace
40 Posted 24/07/2014 at 21:07:12
Wayne, having 2 DMs who are solid in defence and great at winning the ball allows us to have 3 creative players behind the striker. Having 2 DMs, as opposed to one, provides cover that allows the full backs to bomb forward at every opportunity.

I rate Banega, but I donÂ’t think heÂ’s responsible or energetic enough to play this role, though he would certainly be an asset in any alternative systems we may want/need to employ.

Denis Richardson
41 Posted 24/07/2014 at 21:14:09
Excellent tactic by the club. Kidnap the player to the other side of the world until the deal is done – no chance for any other club to steal him.

Once confirmed I think this will prove to be a fantastic bit of business. An international centre mid whoÂ’s 21 and has already played at a World Cup and looks like heÂ’ll only get better and better – for just ٢M! Ready-made full time replacement for Barry in a couple of years.

CM sorted (almost) now just need to get Rom to sign on the dotted line for a 4-5 year contract (with MASSIVE buy out clause) and weÂ’re good to go.

Derek Knox
42 Posted 24/07/2014 at 20:58:20
Rob # 36

GÂ’day mate, I tend to think we will get Rom, at some point but like I said on another thread, he is still a Chelsea player.

Mourinho, will love all this, being the Judge and Jury, not to mention, the Lord High Executioner! (I said not to mention that.)

On the same theme, I would be very surprised if we get him for 㾾M. Which, beggars the question: How high do we go? Which beggars the next question: Is he really worth 㾾M + X?

I think most of us Â’fell in love with RomÂ’ (metaphorically) from last season, but we had been starved of a goalscoring frontman, for years, on a regular-ish basis!

Which beggars another question: If he signed permanently, will he carry on, where he left off?

He proved in the World Cup that maybe, heÂ’s not as good, as he thought he was himself, he does have poor control at times, and has the attitude "Get the ball to me, IÂ’ll hang around, then hopefully IÂ’ll score!"

I do like the guy, as a player for us, and do want him, but still have reservations about his future development.

Rob Halligan
43 Posted 24/07/2014 at 21:24:38
Evening Derek. I forgot to add the price for Lukaku I was told was 㾾M. I read somewhere on TW it all depends on McCarthy joining Man Utd whether we sign lukaku or not?

Personally hope this is not the case. McCarthy was one of our star performers last season, and it would be a real shame if we sold him to fund the Lukaku bid.

Robbie Muldoon
44 Posted 24/07/2014 at 21:31:09
Rob Halligan, your neighbour wouldnÂ’t happen to be Cutthroat Pete would it?

And has anyone floated the idea yet that Mourinhi wuill keep hold of Lukaku until after we play them?

Colin Glassar
45 Posted 24/07/2014 at 21:33:04
DonÂ’t worry about McCarthy Rob, heÂ’s going nowhere. Lukaku for 㾾m with about ٥m with add ons. Still a bloody bargain IMO.
Rob Halligan
46 Posted 24/07/2014 at 21:36:51
Unless Leicester suddenly take a shine to him Denis #41
Rob Halligan
47 Posted 24/07/2014 at 21:43:26
Derek, regarding your "beggars the question, will Lukaku carry on where he left off last season"?

I personally think he will. The lad has been on loan for the last two seasons, at two different clubs. It probably makes him feel sometimes heÂ’s not wanted. Although he scored plenty of goals for WBA and then us, he probably thought "What the fuck, IÂ’m only here twelve months, then I will be gone". This thinking could have affected his attitude during some games.

By signing him permanently and making him feel really welcome could boost his ego and attitude and hopefully see him score plenty more goals. I personally think Chelsea have treated him like something on the sole of your shoe since they signed him.

Christopher Wallace
48 Posted 24/07/2014 at 21:57:07
I know this has no effect on our business, but 㾺m for Borini, 㾶 for Ulloa, and possibly 㾶m for Troy fucking Deeney... surely Lukaku is worth 㿀-22m?? Look what we paid for Yak and AJ fs!

With the great business (buy/sell) and transfer profits of the last year, coupled with the massive increase in Sky money, on top of the great work done by Roberto and the boys last season, surely now is our time to make a positive statement and sign a player like Lukaku...

Mike Childs
49 Posted 24/07/2014 at 22:12:40
As much as RM coverts Lukaku I canÂ’t believe he will give up McCarthy to get him. HeÂ’d give up Barkley first imo. HeÂ’d get more for Barkley even thought at this point in time McCarthy is the better all around player, Barkley the more potential but that 0 assist line worries me about Ross.
Trevor Lynes
50 Posted 24/07/2014 at 22:16:49
Taking him on a non-playing Â’jollyÂ’ surely means he is signed!! Perhaps part of the deal was letting him have his head in Phuket or Pataya while the old squad play football.

I just hope that he slots in seamlessly as the rest of the squad took time to learn the Roberto way of playing.

Christopher Wallace
51 Posted 24/07/2014 at 22:05:47
Rob

I like your thinking. People talk about his ego like it's a bad thing. I want my striker to be selfish, ambitious and up his own arse. This is the mark of a good marksman. Once a strikerÂ’a confidence goes, heÂ’s done IMO.

His attitude will be just fine. If he bangs in a lot of goals and gets us into Champions League, Lukaku and the club win. If he bangs in loads of goals and we donÂ’t get Champions League in next few years, he gets a big move and we make massive profit.... again, both parties win.

Or maybe, just maybe, he can become the next Big Dunc or Tim Cahill, and become an Everton legend, in every sense of the word.

Barry Morrison
52 Posted 24/07/2014 at 22:20:51
To be fair Mike, it wasnÂ’t like he wasnÂ’t creating anything.

I seem to remember a sublime dink over the City defence to put Naismith one on one with Hart, and but for a wonder save Ross would have had an amazing assist.

I think Barkley could have a huge season next year - and I sincerely hope itÂ’s with us.

Christopher Wallace
53 Posted 24/07/2014 at 22:22:34
Sorry Mike, why do we have to sell Barkley or McCarthy to get him?

Does anyone actually want to pay 㿀m+ or 㿊m+ For Ross and James respectively at this point?

IÂ’m not having a go at you, I just wanna know where the thinking behind your post...

Harold Matthews
54 Posted 24/07/2014 at 22:18:51
Mike. I lost count of the number of times he seized the ball, thrust forward, leaving men in his wake before slipping it to the guy who makes the assist. He assists the assister. Stats can be very misleading.
Derek Knox
55 Posted 24/07/2014 at 22:05:36
Rob # 47

I am totally with you on that, and YES, I do agree that Rom has been treated somewhat shoddily by his Â’parentÂ’ club, but remember, that although they are run by a Russian Oligarch (gangster) who treats everyone like this! I suspect that Mourinho is also answerable, even though they have a Â’working relationshipÂ’?

Also, Mourinho, never actually signed him, it was AVB! Mr Abramovich dictates everything, at the end of the day!

Even though they have wasted money over the years (Chelsea), IÂ’m sure that they will try to recoup as much as they can.

When they have a player (one of the stockpile, they have) and that player is wanted elsewhere, by a club who appreciate and love him, I am sure they will try to get as much as they can!

Allegedly, he supported them as his English team in Belgium as young boy!

Ray Roche
56 Posted 24/07/2014 at 22:39:28
All this cack about selling Barkley/McCarthy to Man Utd to fund a Lukaku move started with some dickhead journalist stating that that MIGHT have to happen, just to sell some papers. Some on here think itÂ’s GOING to happen.
Christopher Kelly
57 Posted 24/07/2014 at 22:30:14
If we are playing for the future and we are buying players on the cheap instead of more finished articles, we better figure out how to pay these guys the 𧴜k theyÂ’re going to want in a few years’ time. ThatÂ’s never been the case so I hope our business model will change or we will be forced to sell
James Marshall
58 Posted 24/07/2014 at 22:46:56
Nobody will be sold, so thereÂ’s no need to even mention it any more.

We can afford Lukaku, and 㾾m is about the right price if you ask me.

As someone said above, people need to realise that the so-called ’big headed’ attitude that he has, is exactly what makes him worth having. Remember all the shit strikers we’ve had over the years? James Beattie etc? Fucking dreadful footballers without a clue about being a self-centred, centre-forward – every goal scorer needs to be a big-headed, selfish, arrogant bastard – it’s what makes great strikers.

Christopher Wallace
59 Posted 24/07/2014 at 22:52:43
CK, if they have played well enough to earn 𧴜k a week, then we should be in a position to pay it. If not, we sell them for a big profit.
Rob Halligan
60 Posted 24/07/2014 at 22:44:53
Agree on the "stockpile" of players Derek. Not sure how many other clubs, if any, were after Lukaku when they signed him. I sometimes think clubs like Chelsea and the two Manc clubs sign players just so nobody else can get them.

Probably total bollocks but IÂ’m sure you get my gist!

Not sure about the fact he supported Chelsea as a boy for being a reason to stay, if thatÂ’s what youÂ’re implying. Look at a certain Mr Rooney!!

Harold Matthews
61 Posted 24/07/2014 at 22:34:14
I'm not a big fan of the way Lukaku traps a ball, controls a ball, hits a ball, heads a ball....and a dozen or so other things. That said, he's a mighty big lad with plenty of pace, occupies 2 defenders and seems to get in positions to put the ball in the net. A real enigma.

As for his worth. In the general scheme of things, probably not too much. To Everton, probably a lot. He's the guy who made the difference. People think Sunderland paid too much for Borini. The fans don't. They're delighted. Borini kept them up.

Dan Brierley
62 Posted 24/07/2014 at 23:21:58
It wasn't that long ago, Harold, that many of us were thrilled with signing Super Kevin Campbell for the same reason! How expectations have changed....
James Elworthy
63 Posted 24/07/2014 at 23:34:24
The deal is under threat, I thought something was up as he would of signed before going to Bangkok, that slimey looking agent wants a big cut of the deal.

Nothing goes smooth with this club

Colin Glassar
64 Posted 24/07/2014 at 23:35:12
Back to the original thread, the daily mail are reporting ongoing problems with agents over the Besic deal. Rubbish!! Everton have agreed a fee with Ferencvaros so the agents can sod off. He's ours.
Jamie Sweet
65 Posted 24/07/2014 at 23:33:43
I see Besic as the long term replacement for Barry. Defensive midfielders with the ability to play centre half.

We are building up a very strong youthful core to the team... Stones, McCarthy, Besic, Barkley. Just need to add the Lukaku cherry on top and this is a bunch that could become something very special together. Not to mention Coleman and Oviedo.

Better to spend 㿅m on Lukaku than ٦ on someone like Demba Ba. It would see us very well set for the next 5 years.

James Stewart
66 Posted 25/07/2014 at 00:08:45
What is the point in "all but done"? Either it is or it isnÂ’t.
Harold Matthews
67 Posted 25/07/2014 at 00:07:08
Agreed Dan. Strange world indeed.
Drew Shortis
68 Posted 25/07/2014 at 01:04:12
I like the idea that Martinez is building a squad for the future and not just looking for immediate, short term solutions. We already have a decent squad capable of battling for a European place, but we don't really have the resources, in terms of finance, to challenge for the the title or a regular Champions League spot.

However, if Martinez can keep us in the top six whilst building up a team of talented young players who will be in their prime in a couple of seasons we may well be able to be a real force again. The tricky bit will be keeping hold of our young stars when the money clubs come sniffing around. We have done a good job in that regards so far this transfer window with no serious pressure on to sell Coleman, McCarthy, Barkley or Stones... yet.

I think the loan signing of Deulofeu was a great move as was the faith shown in Barkley and Stones. It is a signal to talented youngsters that if you are good enough you will be given a chance at Everton. Perhaps that is why the likes of Henen are turning down richer CL clubs to come to Goodison. The more we bring through this route the more attractive we become to ambitious youngsters!

Ant Dwyer
69 Posted 25/07/2014 at 01:51:24
One in and a few to go if Bobby is to come through on his promise. Still IÂ’m a little worried we will mostly be strengthening our U21 squad more than our first team with these signings.

Barry: first team; Besic: first team squad. Next few in will probably be Henen and Galloway for the U21 side, hopefully Big Rom in ASAP and we’re shaping up nicely.

Come on, Bobby ’n’ Bill, make it happen, we deserve it and donÂ’t ask for a lot.

Harold Matthews
70 Posted 25/07/2014 at 03:14:18
Yes Drew. You and many others are pleased that he is building for the future....but, even with the extra burden of the Europa League and limited funds,...... you still want top 6.

A sign of the times I'm afraid. When interviewed after the Tranmere game, Martinez stressed the difficulty of avoiding relegation. At no time did he mention top 6. Of course, he knows what fans are like but the added pressure of expectation is off the agenda at the moment and he's trying to make the most of these brief weeks of tranquillity.

Like you, I am thrilled to bits with the fit again squad and the influx of talented youngsters but the Europa thing has knocked my optimism and I sit here with all fingers crossed.

Mike Green
71 Posted 25/07/2014 at 06:04:55
Harold (#71),

Without sounding complacent, I don't think relegation is an issue now. (Having said that, it only took an injured Andy Carroll to have West Ham looking over their shoulder last season.) Maybe Martinez is saying it as a little reminder to Bill to give him some support, or us to not take the work they are doing for granted.

Martinez has always said he didn't need money, all he needed was time and I guess this is what he's talking about. Instead of buying the 25-year-old 㿅M Besic, you have to buy the 21-year-old ٢M Besic and develop him yourself. The good news for me is, if Martinez has a 'five-year plan', there's a better chance of him staying to see it out.

In the short term we need a couple of strikers and a creative midfielder who can cover the wings (maybe another top rated youngster).

David Ellis
73 Posted 25/07/2014 at 06:32:11
Harold (#71),

The last couple of times we were in the Europa League, we did not fair too badly in the Premier League. We qualified 3 years in a row.

In 2009-10, we finished 8th after a terrible start (got knocked out by Porto in Round of 32).

In 2008-09, we finished 5th and played in the Europa League (but got knocked out before the group stages).

In 2007-08, we got to the last 16 and still finished 5th in the EPL.

I think your caution is misplaced.

Paul Andrews
74 Posted 25/07/2014 at 07:05:18
Harold,

I can see your concerns. Looking at last year's semi-finalists, two of the clubs won their respective leagues and a third qualified for this years Europa League.

With a well managed squad, using players not necessarily in the starting eleven in the early stages, I think we will be okay. I'm not saying we can win it, but I feel it would help in the development of the younger players. Plus we get the added bonus of a few away days.

Vishal Poorundersingh
75 Posted 25/07/2014 at 07:19:51
Welcome and best of luck to you.

Thank you, Roberto Martinez. Still hope this is one out of many.

James Hughes
76 Posted 25/07/2014 at 07:15:53
I read the other day Rom was training with Anderlecht not Chelski. If that is true, it puts a new slant on things; still it doesn’t mean he will end up at Goodison Park.

There is the big plus, despite all our fretting about transfers, that the new season will be here soon and we get to see some fantastic football.

Another double over Man Utd please and throw in the that football we played against Arsenal!!!

Patrick Murphy
77 Posted 25/07/2014 at 08:57:42
Echo reports that the deal is all but done but won't be concluded until next week - IMHO probably waiting on the club to agree its overdraft facilities with the bank so we may have to wait until at least Thursday (31st July) for any or all deals to be ratified.
Phil Walling
78 Posted 25/07/2014 at 09:15:58
Everything about Everton is 'long-term', Drew. We've waited 20 years to get the smell of a trophy and Moyes was 'building a team' for 11 long years.

Now we have another 'project' under Matrinez. This one has involved teaching the players 'his way' of playing the game. Starting from scratch in other words.

Is it just me being impatient or is it just a pipe dream that Everton can ever rise to the heights some of us once knew and we always wish for them?

Sam Morrison
79 Posted 25/07/2014 at 09:30:21
To be fair Phil, the new project is moving at a bit of a faster rate than the old one.
Phil Walling
80 Posted 25/07/2014 at 09:36:00
No argument there, Sam. But it's always 'tomorrow' and there's been an awful lot of those.

As you get nearer to old age, you begin to panic about whether you'll be here to see it !

Drew Shortis
81 Posted 25/07/2014 at 09:36:02
I would love to see Martinez given a huge war chest to assemble a squad that can challenge for the title immediately but that is not going to happen unless we are taken over by a billionaire. Do we blow our limited budget trying to reach an unachievable goal in the short term or do we spend it wisely trying to stay competitive (ie, trying to equal or better last seasons outcome plus a crack at one or two of the cups) in the short term whilst investing in a longer term project?

I would rather see us maintain our league position for a couple of seasons and then be a real force than aim too high, fall short and then spend another decade being the best of the rest. I really think Martinez has a long term strategy to get Everton back into the Elite of English football and I'm willing to be patient whilst he does his work. The good thing is that our chairman will be patient too.

I agree with Mike Green's (72) post about us getting in a ٢m Besic and turning him into the 㿅m Besic of a season or too. I also think spending big on Lukaku is essential, both for the goals he will provide in the short term and for the player he will be in a few years time. Martinez has to strike a balance between his long term vision and the day to day demands of competing in the Premier League. So far he seems to be doing pretty well!

Norman McIain
82 Posted 25/07/2014 at 09:52:31
Ok. That’s the mid-field sorted. Now what about the attack?

It seems Drogba will be going back to Chelsea and if that happens it just might encourage Lukaku to stay and learn from the old block.

I hope RM has an alternative strategy in place.

Patrick Murphy
83 Posted 25/07/2014 at 09:50:56
Phil - You are as aware as we all are that we gave the Box Office clubs a head-start at the inception of the Premier League we looked to albeit briefly catch-up a little bit in the mid 90s when Joe Royle was boss but since Joe left the club is commercially and financially way behind those who used to be its peers. I know it can be claimed that there is a massive surplus accrued in the last 12-18 months and the TV money etc etc but even that is just a hill of beans in comparison to the riches of our supposed rivals.

But look at the numbers closely and you will find that the new TV deal is replacing the money we usually get from selling one of our stars, we are constantly paying off the previous year's costs so unlike the league table we can't get a real sense of the state of play at any particular moment in time. Add in the fact that the negotiations with the bank/creditors so close to the start of a new season seriously hamstrings our transfer activity. The same problem will occur in January as the more we spend in this window will negate any spending in January.

That's why it's always jam tomorrow because we are so busy paying for yesterday's bread.

Shane Corcoran
84 Posted 25/07/2014 at 11:00:02
Someone has gone to town on Beic's wiki page.

"During Everton's trip to Thailand, Besic was seen snorting lemo in the bogs with Jan Mucha and Andy Van Der Meyde by Phil Neville, who immediately told Roberto Martinez. Leon Osman proved he was still the joker of the group by sticking a KitKat up Phils arse and throwing him out the plane before saying "it's just banter." Much to the dismay of Ross Barkley who bladdered Osman and wedgied him infront of a visually distraught Joel Robles who was screaming for Gerard Deulofeu."

Trevor Lynes
85 Posted 25/07/2014 at 11:20:12
I have never heard of a prospective player being taken away by the club who are hoping to sign him. Imagine how stupid we will look if he decides NOT to sign!!
Ray Roche
86 Posted 25/07/2014 at 11:29:08
Shane, that's brill. Is it true? What was Cap'n Phil doing on the plane? I thought he'd left......
Denis Richardson
87 Posted 25/07/2014 at 12:02:21
Patrick 84, what you say is true but I would hope also relates mostly to the past. The new TV deal has given the club a massive financial boost in respect to restructuring our debts - we basically now get about an extra 20m quid a year, for the next 3 years at least, for doing diddly squat. Just need to stay up.

I would hope that this extra money means we no longer have to take out that infamous 10-15m annual loan every August from some obsure BVI company at a ridiculous interest rate. (Not saying anything about any director also coincidentally having a business in the BVI.....).

The extra cash must put us in a much better situation with Barclays and our overdraft facilities although I don't know what the actual timing of the TV money payments are.

Given all this I would really hope that annual negotiations with creditors are a thing of the past when it comes to transfers. I think that we now tend to do business late because we generally have to wait on other clubs first (e.g. the Lukaku saga won't be sorted out until Chelsea sort out what strikers they want), also my guess is that in the recent past we prefer doing transfers a bit later so as to save a few weeks wages - which at todays rates is not an insignificant amount when you think that our better paid players are on 200k+ a month!

At least we don't have to worry about a financial meltdown nowadays, which was not the case just a few years ago.

Steve Jones
88 Posted 25/07/2014 at 12:16:29
..as has Mucha and van der Meyde Ray...but the concept of Ossie jamming a Kitcat up Phil Neville is enough for me to grant artistic license to whoever penned this!
Kieran Fitzgerald
89 Posted 25/07/2014 at 12:41:18
Dennis/Patrick, I think the idea of having a much better cash flow is a good one and I think will have a big impact on what Patrick has mentioned about selling players.

While Patrick is right in saying that the extra t.v money has simply replaced selling players, not having to sell players means to me that we are now more than just breaking even. It means a more settled squad, it means getting the time and the chance to improve the squad in increments while still keeping the same core of quality players, it means not having to worry as much about creditors and overdrafts.

The thing is though, as Drew has pointed out above, maintaining our current league position while doing all of the above is essential. A step backwards may only mean taking the same step forward.

Ray Roche
90 Posted 25/07/2014 at 13:11:01
Steve,...er...I did know they'd gone.....still, it's dead funny and shows just how inaccurate Wikipedia is. Or can be...
I'll never have another Kitkat, that's for sure..
Mike Oates
91 Posted 25/07/2014 at 13:53:29
Doesn’t anyone else think the picture on main Everton website advertising open training tomorrow shows a certain Mr Traore!
Harold Matthews
92 Posted 25/07/2014 at 12:41:42
David / Paul. Thanks lads. Very good stats. I suppose it all comes down to a well managed squad.

On the plus side, the extra games will help bring one or two youngsters through and give us plenty to talk about.

Phil. "It's always tomorrow." For me, the post of the week. It really hit home. 80 next year and not too lively, I tell everyone to be patient but often wonder why.

In truth the pipe dream you refer to is happening for me right now. Never have I witnessed such an amazing transition in such a short time. The new intelligent, enthusiastic manager with his fresh ideas and football philosophy. Teaching me to view things in a different way. To appreciate how the players are drilled to perform designated roles in specific areas of the pitch. To watch as he brings in the exact type of player to play these roles. It's all very exciting and is probably doing me more good than a box of pills.

Tim O'Connell
93 Posted 25/07/2014 at 14:03:53
Mike Oates, I think you are absolutely right – I think it is Traore.
James Morgan
94 Posted 25/07/2014 at 14:08:52
Sky Sports understands Everton are stepping up their interest in AIK's highly-rated Sweden winger Nabil Bahoui. Everton boss Roberto Martinez is looking to bolster his attacking options and he is keeping tabs.
Gerard Quinn
95 Posted 25/07/2014 at 14:16:49
Mike and Tim - Sorry but I think it's Dennis Lawrence - first team development coach.
Harold Matthews
96 Posted 25/07/2014 at 14:14:44
Mike / Tim. Sorry lads. It's Dennis Lawrence, the youth developement coach. He and Traore look like twins.....and yes, he is also a giant.
Geoffrey Caveney
97 Posted 25/07/2014 at 14:09:46
Harold (93), 80 next year and still excited about what Roberto is doing for Everton! That's beautiful.

May I ask, do you have any memories of the 1938-39 league title, or were you still too little to remember it?

Paul Andrews
98 Posted 25/07/2014 at 14:24:06
Harold,

I didn't realise from the sharpness of your posts you were approaching 80.

I found myself with a big smile on my face as I read the enthusiasm in your post above. Absolutely brilliant to hear you say that.

Once you have been touched by the Blues... you know the rest better than me. God bless you, mate, may you have many, many more years enjoying our team.

Tim O'Connell
99 Posted 25/07/2014 at 14:27:55
Gerard and Harold - unfortunately you are right - I have looked again
Pete Cross
100 Posted 25/07/2014 at 14:35:25
James (#95), I think a winger aged 23 who scores goals with one Year left on his contract. i see this as a possibility.
Harold Matthews
101 Posted 25/07/2014 at 14:40:53
Geoffrey. Do me a favour. I'm not the memory man, although I once sat behind Dixie on the bus and touched his suit with my little finger. The nearest I ever got to greatness. That and selling a drawing to John Lennon for ten shillings outside the Bluecoat. I wanted a fiver but it was hammering down with rain and he was a skint student.

Paul. Thanks mate. Guess I've never grown up. Being an artist helps. Painting racehorses and beautiful women keeps the mind lively, as does the love of sport where there is always something to look forward to.

Members e mailing me at sky.com will get a signed print. Have a few I need to pass on before someone chucks them out.

Si Cooper
102 Posted 25/07/2014 at 15:00:25
"While Patrick is right in saying that the extra t.v money has simply replaced selling players...", that is the principle Kieran, but frankly we are still waiting to see the reality. Let's not forget that Jelavic and Heitinga moved on in January and more players have been released since then (which should at least ease the wages drain).

It may all come good in the next few weeks, but to my mind we are lagging a couple of transfer windows behind and are as yet a few senior players and multiple millions in transfer fees away from at least maintaining what we have without resorting to player sales.

James Morgan
103 Posted 25/07/2014 at 17:12:11
Drogba confirmed, so Chelsea have him, Schurrle, Torres and Costa. No way Lukaku is staying there!
Denis Richardson
104 Posted 25/07/2014 at 17:40:35
James, you're probably right but I think Chelsea would also like to get rid of Torres but can't find anyone to take his wages off their hands - he's apparently on over 200k/week!

Still if Torres stays then you're right, Rom ain't going to be stepping onto the pitch too often in a Chelsea strip next season if he stays. He's on holiday until next week so we have another few days to wait before this ends, hopefully it's all resolved by this time next week.

Harold Matthews
105 Posted 25/07/2014 at 18:36:52
Denis. Deadline Day. The day after the Chelsea game.
Jamie Barlow
106 Posted 25/07/2014 at 19:13:20
What a depressing thought, Harold.
Ian McDowell
107 Posted 25/07/2014 at 19:22:39
No with Drogba in I can't see Lukaku staying. Over to you Mr Kenwright and Mr Elstone.
Mike Green
108 Posted 25/07/2014 at 19:37:15
Ian #108 - they could be saying to Lukaku that he should stay and learn from the best.......?
Harold Matthews
109 Posted 25/07/2014 at 19:36:39
Jamie. Yes mate. Roberto said it's likely to go to the last day and perhaps this is the reason.

Poor Rom is on the horns of a dilemma. He stays and doesn't get a game, or he moves away from his favourite team.

James Elworthy
110 Posted 25/07/2014 at 20:44:02
Since BK became chairman every transfer is a long drawn out saga. I thought it was Dithering Dave but it is still happening, Martinez remains as diplomatic as possible over these sagas but you can tell by his comments he is frustrated as we are.
Mike Oates
111 Posted 25/07/2014 at 21:02:34
Chelsea will sell him to us on deadline day, so he doesn’t get to play for us against them on Aug 30th. Mourinho’s not daft .

So we somehow have to score against Leicester, Arsenal & Chelsea with what we’ve got or perhaps Traore as well.

Colin Glassar
112 Posted 25/07/2014 at 21:07:26
James, BK comes from the world of soap operas. He loves being at the centre of a drama.

Mike, I think you're probably right. Lukaku will sign on the 1st of September.

Rob Halligan
113 Posted 25/07/2014 at 21:22:54
Ah, come on Colin, the man in the know, and now you "only think Lukaku will sign on 1st September."

What happened to your informant?

Colin Glassar
114 Posted 25/07/2014 at 21:36:26
I said he'd sign Rob, not when.
Phil Brown
115 Posted 25/07/2014 at 21:42:35
No reason why he can't sign tomorrow but the transfer to take effect as of 31 August?

Perhaps some of you pessimists may then cheer up a little and we can enjoy the rest of the pre-season!

Si Cooper
116 Posted 25/07/2014 at 22:01:09
How on earth would that work, Phil? Who would he train with, play for, take his wages from?

You are taking optimism well into the realms of fantasy there.

I don't get this idea that Chelsea would hang on to him until September the 1st just to save Mourinho from the potential of a little bit of embarrassment. Either he is right to sell Lukaku or he is dead wrong, and the result of one game will not determine that.

Rob Halligan
117 Posted 25/07/2014 at 22:04:40
If Lukaku were to sign tomorrow, Phil, then the transfer takes effect as of tomorrow, not 31st August. The likes of m Mourinho and before he retired, Whisky-nose, piss me right off, thinking they have a divine right to dictate to others.

If Lukaku signs tomorrow, then he plays against Chelsea, end of. None of this gentleman's agreement whereby "you sign him but he dosen't play against us"!

Colin Glassar
118 Posted 25/07/2014 at 22:25:25
Didn't OFM agree to something like that guys when we signed Tim Howard from Man Utd? The first game against the Mancs, Ginger dropped Tim to please his lord and master. Remember?
Rob Halligan
119 Posted 25/07/2014 at 22:34:34
That's right, Colin, and it pisses me right off. Who do these clubs think they are? It's supposed to be an equal playing field.
Colin Glassar
120 Posted 25/07/2014 at 22:49:02
I've just read that Jose wants that kid Atsu to go to a club where he will be guaranteed to play in a certain (stipulated by Chelsea of course) amount of games so he goes back to Chelsea next season with x amount of appearances under his belt?

Who the fuck does this guy think he is? So say Atsu goes to WHU, fat Sam will have to play him in, let's say, 25 league games to comply with Jose's demands? So basically he's saying there are 4-5 teams in the prem, the rest are feeder/developer clubs. What a nerve he's got. What if the lad turns out to be totally shite?

Kev Johnson
121 Posted 25/07/2014 at 22:57:06
I think we made a similar deal with Leeds when we loaned Barkley to them, Colin. Warnock reneged on the deal, which is why Ross came back early. I bet there was something similar in place in terms of Deulofeu too. What's the problem?
Rob Halligan
122 Posted 25/07/2014 at 22:58:50
He's a gobshite Colin. "The Special One"? He's a fucking no-one!!!
Colin Glassar
123 Posted 25/07/2014 at 23:07:34
Kev, wasn't it more a case of Warnock not really rating Barkley? I remember him saying something like Ross didn't really fit into his team or style of play. I've never heard another team say "Okay, you can have this lad but he needs to play in x amount of games, in his preferred position — and with a valet and hairdresser provided at all times."
Si Cooper
124 Posted 25/07/2014 at 23:20:12
Colin, it seems to be popular when you are lending a potential star player rather than just hoping a change of pace and some regular senior football will help a youngster grow up.

It makes sense if the whole point is to increase the number of competitive games a player on the fringes of your own first team will get.

In my opinion, Warnock's style of play required full grown battlers in the middle of the park rather than a raw but very talented youngster, and the loan was never the right one for the lad. Warnock tried to get a potential game-changer to use as he pleased and it was never going to develop Barkley as much as we would have liked.

There has to be a number of suitable criteria for all parties to get the most out of a loan, and ensuring your player gets all the useful experience they can doesn't seem an unreasonable one to me.

Jack Cross
125 Posted 26/07/2014 at 03:06:23
Besic: deal done – he's in Thailand with rest of squad. Henen: deal done... and also Lukaku. Things are looking up.
Harold Matthews
126 Posted 26/07/2014 at 04:05:46
Warnock said Barkley did not have one single defensive cell in his entire body.
Phil Brown
127 Posted 26/07/2014 at 06:29:50
Si (#117)

Perhaps I should have said "pre-sign an agreement that comes into force on 31 August".

Chelsea would pay his wages in the interim period as they don't want to let him go and he would continue to train with Anderlecht. This would remove the risk of us not getting him at all. He's just about the only striker that fits in our price range of 㾾-20M (perhaps also Klose, Llorente, Van Huntelaar) with the added bonus for Roberto of being young and able to be formed into the way he wants us to play.

Phil Brown
128 Posted 26/07/2014 at 06:41:36
Further to my post above, Jose has to balance the probabilities of Lukaku – we don't really have any other striker available – taking points from a very close rival in Arsenal, against him putting in a super performance against Chelsea and scoring the winner for us.

Jose will scrap for every single point, either for his team or against his opponents for the title, it's going to be very close again this year.

Kev Johnson
129 Posted 26/07/2014 at 09:23:33
Here's what Warnock had to say about the Barkley situation:

Link

I rest my case. It's normal for "big" teams – yep, that's the likes of us - to dictate loan terms to "smaller teams" – ah, how the mighty Leeds have fallen.

If we were to decide to loan out Ryan Ledson, for example, we would want him to get a certain amount of game time and to be played in his best position. If there is a decent team that can agree to those terms, then we can talk. We would have to ignore interest from teams who just fancy him as a squad player.

I must admit, I'm not sure of Ledson's current level – I chose him because he's out most promising "fringe" player. McAleny is easier to place. If Norwich fancy taking him, we'd probably turn them down because they're well stocked with forwards. If Blackpool fancy him and promise he'll play then we'd still turn them down – for the very good reason they are already doomed to relegation. We'd want to place him with a mid-table side if possible. It's a bit hard to predict before the season starts. Ipswich, maybe? It's all common sense, really.

Phil Walling
130 Posted 26/07/2014 at 10:27:45
Loans are the scourge of modern football. They encourage the big boys to stockpile young talent merely to keep them out of the hands of their rivals.

They militate against fair play and allow managers to have a say in the selection of other club's teams.

They should be banned outright!

Phil Walling
131 Posted 26/07/2014 at 14:26:17
I read yesterday that the Besic deal could not be finalised until the clubs agreed on who should pay the player's agent for representing him.

Whisper it if you dare, but how about the bloody player?

Harold Matthews
132 Posted 26/07/2014 at 15:15:50
Phil. 2 good points.
Mike Allison
133 Posted 26/07/2014 at 15:24:35
Colin, wasn’t Howard was on loan when he was dropped against United?

Lukaku can sign for us on loan right now and finalise a permanent transfer on 1st Sept. This would mean he can play against Arsenal but not Chelsea. Both clubs and managers will know this, so the seemingly popular theory that Jose is waiting until after the game to sell him doesn’t really fly. I think this is the third thread I’ve pointed this out on, so hopefully people will start to abandon what is a pretty wild theory in the first place.

Kev, good point.

Phil, on loans, there is a fairly simple way of preventing the stockpiling, I’ve explained it on TW before. The squad limit rule would be in place, and anyone not named in, say, Chelsea’s squad is able to negotiate a free loan for a season to any other club, with his wages paid by Chelsea. It may be that he can even have a free transfer, or one for a set price decided by tribunal (his value is the rest of his contract or something like that). There would be exemptions for younger players who’ve been developed by the club, but with a few details ironed out, a loan system that penalises ’stockpiling’ clubs could quite easily be drawn up.

Phil Walling
134 Posted 26/07/2014 at 16:40:23
I didn't think that was very 'simple', Mike, and I think you will find that not playing against Man Utd was a condition of the permanent SALE document between the clubs.

SSN have just pointed out that no club may have more than ONE player of the same club on loan and that Bobby's interest in Atsu is therefore significant in respect of further loan of Lukaku.


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