Lennon screamer against his old club!
Everton were totally outplayed in the first half but somehow scored a fantastic opening goal with their first real attack, Lennon firing in a superb half-volley past Lloris. After hitting the woodwork twice, Route One finally paid off for Spurs, Dele Alli smashing in a fantastic long ball from Alderweireld before the break. Incredibly, no more goals despite a fantastic second half.

The captain is finally fit again and starts on the bench.
Everton 1 - 1 Tottenham Hotspur
The Everton line-up included Baines, Cleverley and Lennon for the visit of Tottenham Hotspur in this afternoon's televised live game at Goodison Park. Martinez stuck with his first choices in Howard and Kone despite massive criticisms from many fans, while Phil Jagielka returned to the bench after a long absence through injury. Deulofeu was also on the bench and, with McCarthy injured, Lennon and Cleverly started.
Everton's early ball work was not up to snuff, the visitors taking command of possession and putting together a terrifying attack with an excellent cross from Kyle Walker, Coleman in the right position to defend well and deny Alli an open goal. Spurs attacked again, with Everton looking flat and bedazzled by the fulsome praise their manager had showered on their illustrious opponents before kick-off.
It was 6 mins before Everton had some worthwhile possession but the turnover came before it went anywhere and another Spurs attack, Kane fired a long-distance shot onto the inside of the post and along the goalline behind a flummoxed Tim Howard. So close to the opening goal, with Alli lying injured.
Everton had more possession but it broke down again before it got anywhere near the Spurs penalty area, as the Blues really struggled to get a grip on their task, while Spurs took control with some excellent one-touch passing, denying the Blues a sniff.
Everton looked to break with Barry playing out to Coleman but hesitation, backward passing, Lukaku's poor first touch, a turnover, and Spurs were attacking again.
Spurs won a dangerous free-kick off Barry's high foot, and Lamela from the set-piece smacked it off the wall, Kone getting his head to save the fierce shot on Howard's goal. But still Everton could not get out, Lukaku unable to control it again.
Everton finally got the ball forward, a route one ball from Cleverly up to Lukaku who nodded down for Lennon and an absolutely superb half-volley from the former Tottenham player gave Lloris not a chance of saving it. Perfect execution that finally settled down an increasingly agitated Goodison crowd.
Everton attacked again, with much better impetus, but Kone did not step back for Baines's cross and Spurs forced the pace again, winning a corner and pinning the Blues in their own area until Cleverley was fouled. Yet again, the forward ball to the Spurs area was lost and the visitors were surging forward again.
Another promising start, Lukaku playing Cleverley's good ball back to Kone, as he turned to run forward but Kone crucially failed to give him the return ball to run onto, and it was a corner for Spurs in no time, that Davies smashed past a flailing Howard but into the underside of the bar and out... another incredible let-off for the beleaguered Blues.
Spurs were hunting in packs the second they lost the ball, Barry with FOUR white shirts around him as he tried to clear the ball from the edge of the Everton area. Lukaku did better despite Spurs pressure, but could not play in Barkley and Spurs attacked again. But it was cleared by Coleman and Barkley finally got the ball but ran straight into Walker. Coleman was bizarrely carded for an accidental handball, after the Spurs player stopped the move with his hand!
Everton finally got out down the right, and Coleman was allowed to cross but the ball bounced off Kone's head and behind, the goal-kick leading to another frightening Spurs attack down the right and panic defending by Everton. Their next attack saw another lethal cross that somehow was not converted.
Lukaku picked out Kone's run but he had broken too early and was flagged offside. Everton's much-maligned defence, however, had held out through a remarkable onslaught, more perhaps by good luck and solid woodwork. A great ball by Barkley looked to release Coleman but he too had stepped up too early, and was called offside.
From the free-kick, a tremendous long ball by Alderweireld was controlled brilliantly by Alli and smashed past Howard for a superb finish to level the score in added time before the break. A tremendous game for the neutral, but frustrating for Everton fans to see their side so comprehensively out played... yet at half-time they were still somehow in the game.
Second half, and perhaps the time to bring on Deulofeu or Mirallas to provide more of a forward challenge? But Cleverley and Lennon had done well and could not be replaced, and Kone had been okay.
Everton put in a couple of decent attacks to start the half, after a poor touch by Kone, Barkley just nudged as he fired wide after a great run. Then Baines wasted a free-kick with a weak chip that saw the Blues pushed back. Lennon did well to cut a ball back from the byeline but Vertonghen stopped it becoing a real chance.
Spurs put together another lethal move, and Kane seemed set to score but Stones was in to put him off. The game became pretty even for a while as both sides looked more equal to each other. Two changes before the hour: Besic and Deulofeu on for Kone and Lennon replaced, with booing apparently for the decision to take off Lennon.
Lamela bamboozled Coleman but the ball was cleared as Everton perhaps now had an incentive to play up, if they could get Deulofeu into the game. Besic showed signs of rustiness as he tried too hard to get into the swing of things... Stones did well in defence and Everton should have built an attack but it was snuffed out again.
Barkley delivered a fantastic cross-ball to Deulofeu whose cross was blocked for Everton's first? corner, taken by Baines resulting in a great glancing header. Then Deulofeu with a fantastic cross to the far post but Lukaku could not reach it. Everton were now really playing well but as soon as they lost the ball, Spurs surged forward. However, a long pass just ran out from Dier, as Son replaced Eriksen.
Lamela was finally booked after smacking Coleman in the face. Besic did well to hassle Lamela then Carrol fouled Barkley for a yellow. Deulofeu got the ball again and tried to beat his man but another corner. Baines's delivery was okay but it was headed away. At the other end, Alli fired a hard shot straight at Howard.
Barry gave away a soft free-kick and Howard came out but made a poor punch, Funes Mori rescuing him with a better header. Deulofeu was forced to play the ball around in defence, and Everton were soon attacking, Besic firing in a lovely first-time volley, that Lloris tipped over well. From and excellent corner, Lukaku and Funes Mori challenged for the ball, the header dropping inches wide of the far post as Everton sensed they could certainly win this absorbing contest with a little more application.
Deulofeu was pumping balls into the danger area but the anticipation was lacking. Spurs saw a little more of the ball, Chadli replacing Alli. Everton looked to advance again but Spurs blocked all the channels and the long ball to Lukaku was collected by Lloris.
Besic tried to play to Lukaku's feet but the ball was just a fraction too strong for the big man. Deulofeu played another perfect ball straight to Lukaku's feet but his horrendous first touch gave the ball away. Cleverley played a great ball to Barkley's feet but his cross was straight at Vertonghen rather than Lukaku. The corner caused some panic with another near-post flick-on by Barry but the follow-up behind him was not there.
Stones was forced to play the ball around with some brilliant controlled dribbling in some style, forcing Son into a foul, all inside the Everton penalty area. Everton looked to build something down the left in the final minute. But each ball in met a white shirt, including a tremendous strike from Stones. Besic with some fantastic ball play near the Everton corner flag to clear, and the match culminated in a tremendous atmosphere as a goal from Everton seemed inevitable, Lukaku lashing one over.
But it was end-to-end, with one final attack from Spurs, then Everton got the ball and Lukaku's shot was blocked, then Barkley's attempted saved by Lloris.... a breathless finish to a tremendous if ultimately frustrating game of football.
Scorers: Lennon (22'); Alli (45+1')
Everton: Howard; Coleman [Y:35'], Stones, Funes Mori, Baines; Cleverley, Barry; Lennon (58' Besic), Kone (58' Deulofeu), Barkley; Lukaku.
Subs: Robles, Jagielka, Mirallas, Osman, Galloway.
Tottenham Hotspur: Lloris, Walker, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Davies; Carroll [Y:73'], Dier; Eriksen (69' Son), Alli (83' Chadli), Lamela [Y:68']; Kane.
Subs: Vorm, Rose, Trippier, Bentaleb, Onomah.
Referee: Michael Oliver
Attendance: 38,482
Reader Comments (101)
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2 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:13:05
Martinez has obviously decided to fly in the face of all the criticism directed at him and his 'chosen two' and has stubbornly gone with a potentially disastrous team selection, totally ignoring form or the evidence of his own eyes, which the rest of us have seen for weeks.
3 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:14:59
5 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:16:38
6 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:17:25
Should read: Besic, Mirallas and Deulofeu the stubborn fool has all but surrendered the game already.
Same team, formation and tactics as the last debacle... I fucking despair!
7 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:20:14
I still think we will beat Spurs.
8 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:20:18
Yes, let's get behind them today. Same support as always. I will be well pissed off if there is another non-performance or howlers from Howard... but what the heck it all goes with the territory! COYB
9 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:22:48
No Deulofeu and what on earth has Mirallas got to do?
I think Martinez would put Robles up front before selecting him. The way he took his goal against Stoke epitomised what he has to offer us in attack. You can bet that if either of Lennon or Kone are subbed, it'll be either Osman or Besic who come on too!
Baffled here and despair at our prospects under this favourite-ridden, blind-to-the-facts manager we are saddled with.
Last time I said that, Naismith scored a hat-trick, but I seriously now fear that Martinez's stubbornness will doom us to mid-table mediocrity.
The 2013-14 season was the blip. Last season was the real Martinez. Depressed here even before we kick off.
As another poster observed a few days ago, only Lukaku's goals are keeping us away from a relegation scrap.
If he doesn't score today, who the hell does?
10 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:26:06
11 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:26:54
As for Kone and Howard, it seems to be in most managers' make-up to stubbornly continue to pick players and tactics that fly in the face of all common sense. It's what did for Mourinho this season.
Of course, when they get the boot, it's everyone's fault but theirs.
12 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:36:20
Having just watched Chelsea taking Crystal Palace apart with a brilliant second half display, I see little chance of us following suit, but hope springs eternal, doesn't it???
13 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:38:51
14 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:42:59
15 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:43:25
So will it be Martinez the genius or Martinez the idiot today?
We need a win that's all!
16 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:54:31
17 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:54:59
I'm not a fan of Howard.
But what is the point in having Gibson and Besic if they don't even play when we are in the middle of a congested fixture list AND Cleverley has just returned from injury???
I can see us throwing all the squad players into the fray for our FA Cup match and possibly being caught out.
Anyway, this should be a very entertaining game. Let's hope we come out on top.
19 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:58:29
Robles has to be given a run soon. Geri probably needs the rest so I understand that one. Confident in today's line-up. COYB!!
20 Posted 03/01/2016 at 16:09:59
21 Posted 03/01/2016 at 16:17:55
22 Posted 03/01/2016 at 16:21:43
23 Posted 03/01/2016 at 16:40:57
24 Posted 03/01/2016 at 16:52:46
25 Posted 03/01/2016 at 16:57:28
26 Posted 03/01/2016 at 16:59:20
Now our mob are completely disorganised defensively and the keeper is nowhere and the fans in the Gwladys Street are on his back; rightly so.
Right on cue, they equalise as we leave big holes for them to play thru. This stubborn manager is pathetic. 45 minutes and only one shot on goal how pathetic.
27 Posted 03/01/2016 at 17:00:43
28 Posted 03/01/2016 at 17:02:22
We look no better than Bournemouth or Watford; we must get shut of this manager and quick.
29 Posted 03/01/2016 at 17:03:33
30 Posted 03/01/2016 at 17:03:44
Martinez needs a change of tactics for the 2nd half or their pressure will inevitably bring more goals. Maybe Mirallas on for Kone; we need more in attack and give Spurs something to think about.
31 Posted 03/01/2016 at 17:17:57
32 Posted 03/01/2016 at 17:23:53
33 Posted 03/01/2016 at 17:56:16
34 Posted 03/01/2016 at 17:57:48
35 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:00:36
I would say a good point today, not the three we were after but Spurs take some beating this season; I'll take that tonight.
36 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:01:21
At the end, there we were playing all the victory songs over the tannoy as if we had won 5-0. The sad demise of EFC continues, roll on the Championship in 2 years when we may keep a clean sheet against Rotherham or Huddersfield.
37 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:01:54
A few thoughts:
1) Besic was brilliant. Not just in what he did, but he gave us some much-needed fire and leadership in midfield it was noticeable he was often cajoling and encouraging his teammates, and he got the crowd going. Tackled everything in a white shirt that moved and also made some telling passes. Now that he's fit, he needs to start games more often.
2) Defensively we were better, but still a bit suspect. Great pass by Spurs for Alli's equaliser, was Stones's positioning to blame?
3) Stones and Coleman guilty of over-playing and dawdling on the ball far too often. Sometimes, just hoof the bloody thing into Row Z.
4) Has RM learnt the lesson about bringing on subs at around the 60-minute mark finally? Deulofeu and Besic made a helluvan impact on our improved second half performance.
Overall, a draw a fair result. Onwards and upwards.
38 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:02:01
Overall, this Spurs side showed the level we should be at in the first half and we proved we are capable of achieving it in the second half, but it has to be done over 90 minutes.
39 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:03:40
Besic was fantastic and Kone was not. Shame we didn't see Mirallas for his finishing prowess. Another draw from a goal that was the result of a long punt up the park and is bread and butter for most defenders.
We needed the 3 points and that is now one win in seven games... not really good enough and still no wins against top-ten sides. Positives from the game: Baines and Besic. Negatives: Howard and Kone.
40 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:04:07
The game-changer was Deulofeu, so why oh why wasn't he on at the start? Besic was fantastic, he helped put us on the front foot. The only downside is Rom, in Vertonghen's pocket all game!
Because of Bobby's crap set-up, we should have been 1-3 down at the break. He makes it harder for us!
41 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:07:17
Everton could and probably should have been 3-1 down today. Yes, they performed better in the second half but it wasn't until late in the game that I thought we would nick the points.
Man City are a far better team than Spurs and carry a greater threat in midfield and attack. Kone should never start another game for Everton, he's not good enough. Besic did well, and Deulofeu offered more of a threat than Lennon despite Aaron's earlier strike.
At least the draw ended a mini run of home defeats but we have so much more to do to make us into a complete team.
42 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:07:23
Yes, the home form has been poor... but take heart: today was better against a very good side who have lost only twice in the league all season.
43 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:07:33
44 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:14:23
45 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:16:04
46 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:17:51
Besic is the sort of nasty streak we need alongside Barry and Barkley, who needs to get forward.
To be fair to Kone, he was one of the few players holding up the ball in the first half.
Funes Mori grew in the second half and I'm glad Stones was starting to get pissed off.
The second half was the first time in a while I've seen us provide a bit of bite.
The first half was very much last season though... What the hell?
47 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:19:22
No matter how well you may think the performances have been, the pressure starts to build, tightness and caution in your game becomes the order of the day, making your task all the harder.
The team looked shot of confidence, sat too deep, put no pressure on the ball, and Spurs were completely dominant. But for Lennon's thunderbolt and the woodwork, they could and probably should have been out of sight by half-time.
Everton couldn't be poorer in the second half and the (early!) subs contributed to a vast improvement. As said already, Besic brought some real bite to the midfield, but more than that, his combative and cajoling manner also lifts his teammates.
If Naismith goes (as his absence from the matchday squad suggests he will), Besic is the only other 'nark' we have... and how we need one!
A draw was a fair result in the end.
48 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:20:04
The introduction of Deulofeu and Basic was brilliant and, slowly but surely, the tide turned in favour of Everton. If not for a brilliant save by Lloris and a bad miss by Funes Mori off a corner, Everton would have won this.
All-in-all, a great game of football. A final word about some sections of the crowd even the commentator mentioned that some fans were turning on some of the players Howard, Funes Mori, Kone and even Stones when he tried to play his way out of danger.
Not good to see or hear... but, to be fair, the vast majority of the Goodison crowd got right behind the players especially when they sensed that the players had got the bit between their teeth in the second half.
49 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:20:44
He was strolling round like he owned the place whilst Barry, who is 10 years his senior, was running his plums off. When are people going to realise he's a fucking liability?
50 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:23:53
Like someone said in the Live Forum, this is a point gained rather than two lost, as in previous matches.
51 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:28:18
Kone's hold-up play was okay, and he did track back well to do his defensive duties, but some of his decision-making and passing were poor, and all too often promising moves broke down when the ball was shifted to him. His confidence seems shot again, and he could do with a rest for the semi-final, and then maybe play him v Dagenham & Redbridge.
52 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:36:24
Take the blinkers off. Barkley was outstanding today and could have got the winner with a fantastic bit of skill in the dying minutes.
I don't really know how to feel about this game but I wish we would play for 90 minutes instead of 45 every week.
I am still concerned that we rely too much on Lukaku and there is no other natural goalscorer in the team.
Looks like Naismith is on his way and Mirallas can't get a look-in... so no goal threat from the squad either.
I thought Baines made those calling for Galloway look stupid and Besic was just what we need in midfield; to those booing Stones and others, please lay off it affects the team and those players do not pick themselves.
53 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:39:52
If I was Mirallas, I wouldn't turn up for work tomorrow. To watch Kone playing as badly and ineffectually as he does and sit on the bench for 90 minutes would make me insane.
If I was John Stones, I would place a firm left fist on Tim Howard's jaw. When he was dribbling around his own box, the 'keeper should have been screaming for the pass to clear it, but you can see in the replay that our resident flapper just stands there watching. Shithouse.
If I was Aaron Lennon, I'd be stoked with that. He appears to be better as a starter than as an impact sub. Good on him.
If I was Mo Besic, I'd be extremely confused if I didn't get a run in the side now for a while.
If we had a manager with some balls, we'd be enjoying the luxury of having Barry, McCarthy (when he's back), Cleverley, Besic and even Gibson all at the same time. That gives you the option of squad rotation. I doubt we'll see that though.
54 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:43:00
55 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:44:56
It probably gave Howard the shits, never mind the whole Park End. He needed to be told. I don't see players moaning when the crowd give them the heads-up with "Man on"!
56 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:46:09
It's just baffling how shakey we look when we start looking for a goal... That final 20 mins made me a nervous wreck, but TBH we looked the more likely to win it. Funes Mori missed a sitter of a header and we just couldn't make one of the many counter attacks come off.
A point isn't the end of the world against a strong Spurs team.
57 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:57:10
We couldn't have been any worse in the second half but, even allowing for that, I thought we came back well and it was clear Martinez had told them to stop standing off and admiring while Spurs played. Then, just as Spurs looked like they were getting into a rhythm again, he made the change and Besic in particular made a huge difference.
All in all, not a bad point, but we need to start turning draws into wins if we are to get anywhere this season.
One final point, I'm getting slightly fed up with our players turning to the crowd and appealing for them to calm down during games. First Howard... now Stones. Maybe they should consider the fact that it's their crap defending at home all season that has got the fans nervous as hell every time the ball goes in our box!
58 Posted 03/01/2016 at 18:58:52
Anyhow, that's another point closer to the magic 40... And that is all I really look for, under Martinez. I bet Wigan supporters wished Martinez had that approach.
59 Posted 03/01/2016 at 19:00:24
I wasn't convinced by Besic but today he showed what he can bring to the team. I can't blame Martinez's tactics or Howard for their goal today but I'm sure some people will somehow still hold them responsible.
The most disappointing thing for me today was the atmosphere inside Goodison; getting on our players' backs and groaning at stupid things can't fill our team with confidence. No wonder we play better in away games...
Where's our famous support gone? Hopefully it will reappear and in full voice on Wednesday in the Semi-Final against Man City.
60 Posted 03/01/2016 at 19:03:27
On the positive side, I thought Besic had a nice little cameo, and Ross was better than of late. I would have settled for that result before the game, and wouldn't have believed that result possible at half-time!
I had to chuckle at the team selection, and said to my mate at the ground that the Live Forum must have had a shit-storm when the stubborn Spaniard did it again....
61 Posted 03/01/2016 at 19:09:41
I've been quite impressed with Cleverley this season... but today he had a real stinker, misplacing passes regularly and giving the ball away. Kone had another poor game he's been in poor form for a while now and needs dropping. His good early-season form has sharply deteriorated.
Some very suspect goalkeeping from Howard again! He made right mess of some of the balls coming into the box by opting to punch the ball (unconvincingly) and putting us under unnecessary pressure.
Stones really needs to stop all this unconstructive pissing about with the ball and just concentrate on defending well. Everyone knows he's very good on the ball, but he just needs to keep it simple sometimes.
The league campaign is over as far as I'm concerned because simply, we are too weak at the back and too inconsistent. I don't see that altering dramatically throughout the course of the season... that is unless they is a change of manager. Our whole season is about the cup competitions now.
62 Posted 03/01/2016 at 19:18:58
Dave @49, he's a good player but I totally agree.
Roman @53, John Stones is a big boy, he doesn't need Tim Howard to tell him what to do. It's the way he plays. He is cool as fuck. Ridiculous the shit he got off the crowd for telling them to calm down.
Spurs are the best team I've seen us play this season. I wish we would play like them. Young, energetic and in your face but they can play a bit too. A decent result but really we need to start picking up 3 points.
Gareth Barry was MotM for me, doing the work of two men (defensively) as he has done most games this season. Top, top professional.
63 Posted 03/01/2016 at 19:50:29
Besic must start henceforth!!!!
64 Posted 03/01/2016 at 20:09:36
Spurs were different class, although their fans must do their nut in at times as they seem to be doing an Arsenal in trying to walk the ball into the net.
Every game we have played against decent opposition this season, they have shown us up. We are flat track bullies against awful teams and when it comes to better teams, we are not up to it.
Granted, we put up a better effort in the 2nd half, but that was more to do with Besic kicking us into gear rather than the so called pretty football we are supposedly famed for in the media. The team is constantly unbalanced, that was obvious all game.
Even when Kone was finally hauled off, did Martinez change anything? No, he persisted with the tried and ultimately not very successful formula of just the one winger and somebody out on the left playing out of position.
Barkley outstanding today? Really? Do me a favour. How many times did he get the ball, race upfield with his head down and run down a blind alley? Most of the game to be honest. It was just a good job Spurs ran out of ideas in the second half really.
Let's get one thing straight, I am really glad we showed some gusto and passion for once when Besic came on and we managed to get a point, but we are so far off where we were when Martinez arrived.
We are happy with a point against an okay Spurs team, we laud the players when we hammer extremely poor teams like Villa and Sunderland, make pitiful excuses when we fail to show up in 2nd halves like Bournemouth and Norwich (games are 90 minutes, not 45 as Spurs found out today) and conveniently forget about games gone by this season when we were awful (Man City, Man Utd, Spurs twice, Arsenal, Watford, Barnsley, Reading, Liverpool).
Yes we have had isolated moments against very poor teams but if that is progress then all I can say is that my bar must be extremely high or many must be very low.
I've asked this question before and never received an answer (and before anybody accuses me of wanting Moyes back, I don't in the slightest): How many of the current team would get into the Moyes team when Pienaar, Baines, Cahill, Arteta, Mirallas, Lescott, Jagielka, Coleman et al were gracing Goodison Park? Lukaku definitely, a fit McCarthy? Maybe.
We have not progressed, we have gone backwards and all the media hype of how good we are, which apparently a lot of our fans are starting to believe, isn't going to change that.
65 Posted 03/01/2016 at 20:19:02
66 Posted 03/01/2016 at 20:19:57
The days of our 'School of Science' are sadly long gone as the game has become a rat race of big money and self-serving conglomerates where loyal fans of the game are constantly ignored in the pursuit of 'success' at any price and many players following suit. Loyalty to your club and players is more important than ever. Players don't perform badly by choice so give them a break and save your bile for those that deserve it.
67 Posted 03/01/2016 at 20:30:26
Stones over-plays regularly, and sooner or later he will get caught on the ball in one of those situations. His positional play is often poor, and his communication with his fellow defenders needs to improve. Just because Ross Barkley needs too many touches, doesn't mean he has to do it too.
The petulance shown by Howard and Stones towards the crowd is indicative of the egos involved here. It isn't like this is the first time for silly play in our box, so the fans have seen it before and don't like it.
Howard doesn't care as he will be gone to the Jersey shore in the summer, and I get the impression that money will eventually buy Stones, and he knows he will be off to Old Trafford at the end of the season.
68 Posted 03/01/2016 at 20:36:42
There are some loyal players like Baines and Jags who haven't jumped ship, but the paying supporters can say what they want. We will all still be watching in 2, 5 or 10 years time, but certain prima-donas won't!
69 Posted 03/01/2016 at 20:37:56
I'd feel some loss if he went (Stones, not Roberto).
70 Posted 03/01/2016 at 21:26:22
We are talking of the classiest centre backs we have had in a long time and a future England captain and some people are wishing him away to another club.
Likewise with Barkley, the lad has talent to burn and yet people are on his back.
Words fail me.
71 Posted 03/01/2016 at 21:43:55
Today we stood toe to toe with Spurs and in a cracking game of football we matched them but sadly never overcame them.
We are a team in the making...
72 Posted 03/01/2016 at 21:54:14
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75 Posted 03/01/2016 at 22:28:08
Today's performance laid down the template for future home games. It was not perfect but we looked more compact in defence and broke quickly when we had the opportunity. We will inevitably miss McCarthy in the coming weeks but the indications today were that Besic might give us the necessary steel in midfield.
76 Posted 03/01/2016 at 22:53:03
No player is bigger than any club; we have had enough... 20 years with no trophies... 16 years of no investment and a crap failure of a stubborn arse manager.
77 Posted 03/01/2016 at 22:56:18
Why Mirallas can't get a game is beyond me. I've stated that RM should be given a third season to see where we go but fuck me, he makes it very difficult to maintain support with his constant support for ineffective 'senior' players.
78 Posted 03/01/2016 at 23:06:54
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80 Posted 03/01/2016 at 23:28:31
If I go out for a meal and pay let's say 㿏 per head (an average priced match ticket), if there is something wrong with the service, and I let the waiter know, then I don't expect him to tell me to calm down.
If the said waiter was earning £30-£50,000 per week, then I would expect to be treated to perfection. Beautiful restaurant, lovely decor, wonderful food, served-up with finesse. I don't want the waiter doing three spins on his left foot before plonking my dinner down on the wrong table, and then tell me to calm down.
One day soon, he is going to trip over and put a tray of food on someone's head!
81 Posted 03/01/2016 at 23:46:05
Would you expect the same performance from your waiter if he had to try to reproduce his plate carrying skills with the water sprinklers on, or opposition waiters running the sweet trolley into the back of his leg as he hands you a very hot plate.
I used to think that all football supporters understood that being a supporter was different than just being a spectator, but now I realise that only really applies when things are going well.
Get excited, angry, tearful, whatever, just don't do anything that may have negative effect on your own players. What is the point of that? The money is irrelevant to the psyche of the players because it is simply the going rate, and to expect some direct correlation when comparing now to whenever is not logical.
82 Posted 03/01/2016 at 23:54:06
I have no problem with the crowd getting twitchy and telling Stones to boot the fucking thing out, it's the abuse he got after telling them to calm down that bothers me. I don't think the players enjoy playing at home at the moment but it's not helping how on top certain supporters are being. Sarcastically clapping and cheering Howard when he catches a ball, what the fuck is that all about?
John Stones was just trying to get a point across. Just telling them to calm down. I have no problem with that. Flicking him the vees and calling him all sorts (I wasn't there but I can't imagine them just silently raising their fingers) after is out of order, in my opinion. They do need to calm down or Mr Stones will most definitely be on his way.
83 Posted 03/01/2016 at 00:01:20
Not going to make him stay for the fans when the offers come in, is it.
84 Posted 03/01/2016 at 00:08:47
85 Posted 04/01/2016 at 01:13:22
As for people berating the crowd, if there was anything resembling a leader on the pitch, the crowd wouldn't have to do that particular job for them. Our team are just too nice to the opposition and each other and we need a right cunt in the team to keep certain players on their toes.
Just as against Dynamo Kiev, the crowd let the players know that they would not settle for the slow pace and three-touch football that our leggy midfield would have preferred to play, and if it worked. I'm happy for the crowd to play the villain until we can unearth a captain worthy of the armband.
86 Posted 04/01/2016 at 01:27:51
87 Posted 04/01/2016 at 05:25:13
May I suggest you throw it in the direction of our manager instead?
88 Posted 04/01/2016 at 08:16:52
An intelligent educated lad with several languages and World Cup experience, I'm sure he is well respected within the club. He certainly knows how to bark out orders on the pitch.
89 Posted 04/01/2016 at 08:46:13
Saying that, a lot of what Martinez, does or doesn't do, does make you wonder most of the time. I want him to succeed, as much as the next man, but he's losing most of the support with his refusal to change the obvious.
If a container ship is not balanced correctly, it would probably sink, and although he's not an outside left, how much better did the system look when Cleverley went and played there? It stopped giving Spurs an out-ball.
90 Posted 04/01/2016 at 09:01:46
Kone is not a left midfielder. Cleverley, Besic etc are also not playing in their natural positions when asked to go there. Mirallas, although not the best at tracking back, is maybe the most suitable while Pienaar is off the scene.
I would still like to see Galloway left back and Baines left midfield. Got to be worth a try?
91 Posted 04/01/2016 at 09:57:39
However, we see this sort of thing from him far too often. He is playing professional football in one of the biggest Leagues in the world. He isn't having a kickabout with his mates in the park. I would get pissed off if one of my mates did it in a five-a-side match.
In all my decades of watching football, all over this country, home. away, and as a neutral, I have heard bile, advice, vitriol, and plain old abuse for players at every single game I have been too.
Fans aren't on the pitch, and our frustrations boil over, and many people carry all of their problems in everyday life to the game, and laugh, hysterically, grab total strangers and jump around holding on to them, and also they shout encouragement, and also the other stuff.
Stones must have heard it at Barnsley, and if he goes to Madrid, he might see masses of white hankies flapping about. It is part and parcel of the game.
92 Posted 04/01/2016 at 13:13:13
93 Posted 04/01/2016 at 13:19:40
94 Posted 04/01/2016 at 13:22:54
Barkley is so inconsistent and just isn't doing the simple things on a regular basis. Right now, I'm not convinced he should be starting for us, never mind bloody England.
95 Posted 04/01/2016 at 13:35:23
I'd like to see Cleverley, Barry and Besic providing a more solid centre. Allowing a front three to break quickly and concentrate on scoring.
Something like:
Howard
Coleman Stones Funes Mori Baines
Besic Barry Cleverley
Deulofeu Lukaku Mirallas
96 Posted 04/01/2016 at 14:53:45
97 Posted 04/01/2016 at 17:14:40
No doubt the minority of the Park End who were shouting at Stones regretted it at the end of the match.
98 Posted 04/01/2016 at 17:44:05
I backed Lukaku to prove the doubters wrong last season and I have no doubt Ross will prove his critics wrong.
ps: Alli, like Ross in his first season, is not getting marked as tightly as he will in the near future. That's when we will see how good he really is. Ross has three players all over him once he gets the ball.
99 Posted 04/01/2016 at 18:00:26
100 Posted 04/01/2016 at 18:30:07
101 Posted 04/01/2016 at 18:45:40
102 Posted 04/01/2016 at 18:52:31
I would rather see Barkley pushed up behind Rom, where his pace and skill can hurt teams. Besic and Barry can do the grunt work.
103 Posted 04/01/2016 at 21:13:36
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1 Posted 03/01/2016 at 15:08:45