The manager is under mounting scrutiny from supporters, however, following Everton's seventh home defeat of 2015-16 that saw them lose precious ground on the top six and fall to 12th in the table behind West Bromwich Albion.
A 3-2 defeat to West Ham yesterday, the 10th time the Blues have dropped points from a winning position this term, marked a new low for the campaign and that has prompted people to wonder whether the Catalan can survive amid what are surely heightened expectations at Goodison Park following Moshiri's arrival.
“I don’t think you need a new investor [to prove yourself]," he told the Liverpool Echo. “We are in the Premier League, it is the most ruthless league in world football and we all know that.
“Fortunately I have got seven years of experience in this league and I know what it takes. When I look at the players and the team that we have and it is a really strong squad. We can’t wait to get good wins, good performances and build something special.”
Martinez has defended the way his team approached the second half of the loss to the Hammers, pointing to the fact that they doubled their lead through Aaron Lennon and then won a penalty that would, with a better finish from his leading scorer, have made it 3-0 on the day.
He has also deflected criticism for his decision to withdraw Lennon in favour of a striker, Oumar Niasse, with a quarter of an hour to go.
“I thought tactically we were outstanding. If you look at the way we got set up in the second half, we were the better side and I think we showed an incredible tactical understanding and character.
“There’s no such thing as anticipating things in a negative manner. Rom emptied himself so we had some fresh legs.
“The same with Aaron Lennon. I think the tactical understanding that we showed gave us the advantage in the game, not the other way.
"If you played the game 20 times those last 12 minutes we would have won probably 19.”
Regardless of Martinez's typically positive outlook on what was another hugely demoralising day for Everton's supporters and he acknowledged once again that his team's record on home turf has not been good enough.
“Seven defeats at home is not good enough,” he admitted. “That is where we feel so hard done by because you look at the attitude of the players, the talent of the players and the desire of wanting to please our fans at Goodison is incredible.
“With the seven defeats we can analyse every single one and, apart from Manchester United, in every one we performed in an incredible manner and deserved a lot more.
“Are we good enough? Do we do things right enough? The away form tells us that we do.
“It is just we need to make sure we find a way to change the little bit of a difference between performing well and not getting the wins at home."
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1 Posted 06/03/2016 at 23:30:08
I hope he's in for a shock if he's not worried
" I have got seven years experience in this league and know what it takes ". - really Roberto?
2 Posted 06/03/2016 at 23:33:52
Look at the RedShite today. Even when they went down to ten men, the Palace goalkeeper makes a mistake and in the 94th minute they make an unnecessary challenge to earn a disputed penalty which wins the game.
We on the other hand miss a penalty which would put us I an insurmountable position and lose the game. Fine margins like this mean the difference between mid-table and top 6.
3 Posted 06/03/2016 at 23:38:06
4 Posted 06/03/2016 at 23:43:03
His post match interviews have simply added fuel to the fire of discontent amongst the fanbase and perhaps added to players' loosing faith in his system.
The crowd was right behind the side yesterday despite Mirallas's acts of cheating and stupidity and so RM cannot further lean on the theory of a negative Goodison vibe affecting the players. The catastrophe rests solely with him/them and the stats relative to leads-lost and goals conceded are damning. The system and coaching deficiencies are at fault.
Nice bloke, incomplete manager. Without humility, the latter will not change. Why should Everton suffer what is becoming increasingly evident as a flaw in his character.
Your move, Kenwright, Woods & Moshiri.
5 Posted 06/03/2016 at 23:45:13
It just makes you look even more incompetent.
6 Posted 06/03/2016 at 23:46:10
7 Posted 06/03/2016 at 23:50:02
We have thrown away winning positions 10 times this season.
We have thrown away a 2 goal lead 7 times.
We have managed 4 home wins all season, 3 of these against Villa, Newcastle and Sunderland.
We are miles away from the top 4 and you are quite frankly living in cloud cuckoo land if you think otherwise.
Unless and until we rid ourselves of the great pretender who is currently occupying the manager's office, we will continue to under perform, under achieve and criminally throw away winning leads.
The apologists should stop their empty excuses and appeasment of the chronic failure that is unfortunately still our manager and instead join the throngs of Evertonians who are disgusted and embarrassed that Martinez is still anything to do with our club.
8 Posted 06/03/2016 at 00:01:42
But to take a club like us from being regulars in the Top 7 to being 11th is plain pathetic. Our centre forward is one of the most prolific strikers in the division. Our back four used to be in the top 3 defences of league.
Yes, I think Kev's first yellow was harsh and yes, Carroll fouled Jags for the second goal but too often we surrender a lead because of you Roberto. Why not bring on Geri in place of Lukaku? He would have given them something to be fearful of and pushed them back.
Personally I think you were being a smart Alec in hoping the new boy would score a third on the break and you could be shown as a tactical genius by beating a side in the top half 3 nothing with 10 men.
Instead we got narrowly beaten once again by a team who man for man we are superior to.
9 Posted 07/03/2016 at 00:16:25
10 Posted 07/03/2016 at 00:21:02
The man is a fuckwit who spurned another opportunity to hold his hands up and say he got it wrong. What the fuck must the players think of this charlatan?
11 Posted 07/03/2016 at 00:22:26
"Fortunately I have got seven years of experience in this league and I know what it takes. When I look at the players and the team that we have and it is a really strong squad. We can't wait to get good wins, good performances and build something special."
This was RM's quote yesterday, he is a complete tool.
I really can't believe that we have any fans left who can defend this utter fraudster.
The new owner must act sooner rather than later to remove RM from our club. Please just go Roberto you are an embarrassment.
12 Posted 07/03/2016 at 00:31:56
The only way I can see him keeping his job for next season (assuming new ownership) is if the team beats Chelsea in the Cup, and wins at Anfield and/or Old Trafford.
13 Posted 07/03/2016 at 00:39:08
14 Posted 07/03/2016 at 00:41:22
15 Posted 07/03/2016 at 00:46:57
Ron, I do feel that we will put in a first leg performance similar to the City win and dispense of Chelsea and win the FA Cup. If so We will forget the home defeats and the semi final defeat. Evertonians are a forgiving bunch and if he brings home a cup then we can look forward with optimism for next season.
16 Posted 07/03/2016 at 00:53:25
17 Posted 07/03/2016 at 01:00:39
I also think the Brian Viner article was the tipping point for RM vis a vis the owners, they can avoid the local media, but it's much harder to avoid national media, especially if the writer is a fan of the team.
18 Posted 07/03/2016 at 01:05:24
Has he been following our own matches and results?
19 Posted 07/03/2016 at 01:06:23
For a club of Everton's history, a cup win is always welcome but it's the league were we have always measured ourselves. Unless Roberto Martinez has a road to Damascus moment, I really can't see him competing with managers who adopt a more pragmatic approach to the game.
20 Posted 07/03/2016 at 01:36:58
"Fortunately I have got seven years of experience in this league and I know what it takes."
Then it should read; "It took me four years to relegate Wigan and I am positive I can do the same for Everton".
22 Posted 07/03/2016 at 01:38:53
Well, presumably you can wait, otherwise you'd have started already.
23 Posted 07/03/2016 at 01:45:27
24 Posted 07/03/2016 at 01:57:36
26 Posted 07/03/2016 at 02:57:54
Experience in what, exactly? Trying to avoid relegation? In the league, aside from his first season in charge of us, that is essentially all he has managed to do, and he even failed that once with Wigan.
I can kinda understand what Martinez is doing in press conferences, remaining confident, upbeat and never admitting an error so the players, staff, Moshiri, Bill et al retain some form of confidence in him.... but to the general fanbase he comes across as some sort of deluded muppet.
27 Posted 07/03/2016 at 03:06:33
I can't remember beating a team when they were above us in the league. At one-nil and having lost Mirallas, it should have been a case of "That's it, let's just have the points today and most if not all Evertonians would be applauding that decision as we went 4-4-1 and looked very solid, as per usual a gross act of stupidity and he goes 4-3-2 and loses control of the game. 12 minutes of madness sums up Martinez and this team that cant play 90 minutes.
28 Posted 07/03/2016 at 03:36:48
Why on earth is this complete fucking clown still in charge of this club.
The new owner must surely have the football savvy to see through this phony.
29 Posted 07/03/2016 at 04:48:46
30 Posted 07/03/2016 at 04:57:10
You don't get to say that we would have won that game 19 out of 20 times after having lost from being 2-0 up five or six times this season. You just don't!! That's not how statistics work! And people stop believing you after the third time you use that excuse....
31 Posted 07/03/2016 at 05:40:42
32 Posted 07/03/2016 at 06:33:30
The best word to describe this man is, as Andrew (@11) says, "charlatan".
33 Posted 07/03/2016 at 06:35:55
34 Posted 07/03/2016 at 06:45:05
35 Posted 07/03/2016 at 06:55:59
36 Posted 07/03/2016 at 07:15:26
37 Posted 07/03/2016 at 07:17:33
38 Posted 07/03/2016 at 07:29:27
He must be replaced in the summer.
39 Posted 07/03/2016 at 07:39:22
"I know what it takes...."
"We can't wait to get good wins, good performances and build something special."Ă‚Âť
"I thought tactically we were outstanding..."
"the attitude of the players, the talent of the players and the desire of wanting to please our fans at Goodison is incredible...."
"If you played the game 20 times those last 12 minutes we would have won probably 19"
"we performed in an incredible manner and deserved a lot more."
"Are we good enough? Do we do things right enough? The away form tells us that we do."
You can pick any of those statements to pieces, talk about smoke and mirrors! To say that after another capitulation is either arrogance, ignorance or sheer stupidity. It's the talk of a very worried man that's for sure.
I'll be amazed if Moshiri isn't on the look out for his man, Martinez will hopefully last now only as long as his cup run.
40 Posted 07/03/2016 at 07:42:03
With the squad we have and hopefully some extra transfer cash we need a top manager.
Martinez just sounds like an idiot when he talks like this.
Mr Moshiri will have learnt a lot from Saturday.
41 Posted 07/03/2016 at 07:44:57
He is a cunning linguist no doubt, thing is he seems incapable of change. like has been said umpteen times on these boards, he has one game plan, no matter how the play is unfolding.
Saturday afternoon is becoming painful.
43 Posted 07/03/2016 at 07:50:30
I strongly protested on TW when he was appointed, I have protested ever since and I will protest until he goes.... but like the rest of us I will just have to suffer into season number 4.
44 Posted 07/03/2016 at 07:55:10
45 Posted 07/03/2016 at 07:57:05
46 Posted 07/03/2016 at 08:00:43
Reminds me of Inspector Clouseau.
47 Posted 07/03/2016 at 08:10:21
As long as perspective remains!
48 Posted 07/03/2016 at 08:13:13
49 Posted 07/03/2016 at 08:15:13
50 Posted 07/03/2016 at 08:17:00
Stop the superlatives of player's who are not producing the goods on a regular basis.
They are not the best young talent in Europe.
How does he know what talent clubs in Spain or Germany or anywhere else have?
The best young talent in Europe yet we are being outperformed by team's with other young talent, what does that tell you Roberto?
The man is a spinner of bullshit!
The fan's have been exceptionally patient, after some of the horrific results last season such as walloping's in Hull, Southampton and Kiev, you were a lucky man to still be in a job!
This season you have overseen the worst home record in my memory.
Fair enough we've been solid away from home but once a few away defeats start totting up, then what?
Apart from Stoke, we haven't exactly beaten anyone of any note away from home anyway.
You should be fearful of keeping your job in the summer Roberto.
This club has to show it will not stand for going backwards or mediocrity.
51 Posted 07/03/2016 at 08:49:43
52 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:03:34
Roberto's song would go 'Don't confront me with my failures, I have none !'
53 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:06:43
Like or loath him but Alan Pardew's post match interview yesterday showed passion, self blame, player blame and genuine anger at the result. He was also very rude to the interviewer but that shows how passionate he was about the performance and resulting score line.
Please, please, Mr Moshiri, have the footballing savvy to know that this isn't the man to give £100m to in the summer. I implore your to seek out a new manager that will bring out the best, both offensively and defensively, in this great bunch of players we have at the club.
1. Sack Martinez and bring in De Boer, Blanc or Rijkard.
2. Convince Stones, Ross, Geri, Rom this is the place for them.
3. Clear out the deadwood.
4. Bring in a few top quality players to mount a challenge.
These should be your top priorities from now through the summer.
54 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:06:55
It's the players that worry me though, surely the senior players have got to be saying something behind the scenes at finch/farm?
Jagielka said that Lukaku's penalty came back to haunt us, and that's true, but it can't be the first time in his career, that one of his players have missed a penalty.
I bet you it's the first time he's played in a team, where the manager, takes off a midfielder, and brings on a forward, to protect a two goal lead though. Especially considering his team were down to ten men.
That's why your statement in winning 19 out of 20, is ridiculous though Roberto, because everybody knows, you don't close out a game of football, in this way.
The fact that you don't understand your own players, just makes matters worse. We were lucky to have a player like Lennon, on the pitch, because of his fantastic work-rate. It enabled us to stay on top, and let us keep attacking. But once he had to go off, surely you're tactics should have changed accordingly?
55 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:12:03
I did like him, he comes across as a likable guy. I wanted it to work for him, but hes shown he is not up to the job and if we are getting more cash, go and get someone who is up to the job.
I have tooed and throwed with him season. Games like the Norwich game, were okay, we never got the result but the first half performance was that good I thought he was on the verge of something. There has been some good football played at times. But the man has to go now. No other club would stand for it!
56 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:12:43
That comment sums everything up!!!
57 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:13:56
The good news is that he has done it too often and the faithful have seen through him. Saturday will define his Everton future!
58 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:15:41
They both agreed Roberto was 'doing a great job' and although the team was down in 12th should be 5th or 6th!
So there you have it . They must know what they are talking about....... Don't they ?
59 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:18:36
"If you played the game 20 times those last 12 minutes we would have won probably 19."
If you asked all 20 PL managers to play out those last 12 minutes, 19 of them would have won 2-0. He is the one who wouldn't.
60 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:21:20
61 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:22:57
Other than a bit of booing I can't remembe any real discontent to get this guy gone.
62 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:24:22
And if Martinez can't deliver a top 10 finish and show real improvement at an absolute minimum with the players he has available, regardless of whether or not we make it to Wembley, the writing will be on the wall.
63 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:27:10
He obviously has a problem getting wins at home, he has done for the past two season now, but he has no idea how to put it right. He had similar problems at Wigan.
That can't be allowed to carry on next season no matter what he says. Admittedly it's very annoying, that he talks so much shite.
64 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:30:11
I think Saturday's performance, coupled with the likelihood of more cash this Summer, has pushed me firmly into the "Martinez out" camp.
If we can't defend a 2-0 lead for less than 15 minutes to at least end up with a draw then God help us!
65 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:30:32
66 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:31:19
67 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:32:28
I think if we go out the cup on Saturday, Goodison will be like this for the rest of the season. Let's hope we win!
68 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:38:07
After Saturday Its the straw that broke the camels back with me.I now want this fraud out but its not going to happen until the end of the season.
Even if we get to the Final it's not good enough as shown in previous seasons when a poor sides like Villa, Stoke and Wigan got there.
69 Posted 07/03/2016 at 09:56:05
71 Posted 07/03/2016 at 10:20:19
72 Posted 07/03/2016 at 10:29:59
His continued lack of holding anyone accountable, including himself, for our wretched performances beggars belief. The only things he blames are as usual poor refereeing, a missed penalty (we still held a two goal lead with twelve mins to go, you buffoon), and of course, his perennial favourite excuse, bad luck.
Winners make their own luck Martinez, as Bilic did with his own match winning substitutions. When he threw two attackers on, knowing we were tiring. At that point he should have sent Barry on and given the defence some support but did he? Oh no, not Roberto.
I've supported Everton for 57 years and have never witnessed such crass ineptitude from a manager as Martinez displays almost every week in his in-game management, his refusal to try to close games out, and his continuous brain numbing outpourings at each and every press conference. Does he seriously believe the crap he keeps spouting? If he foes then he should not only be immediately removed as manager, but an appointment should be made with a psychiatrist as soon as possible for treatment of his seriously delusional state of mind.
73 Posted 07/03/2016 at 10:36:46
I totally agree that in most cases it is fan pressure that gets a manager the sack. The home results have been especially poor and you would think that would have effected the home attendances. But it seems the poor results are having no effect every time I arrive at the ground and look around at kick off the place is practically full.
Now I know we are a pretty loyal group of supporters, but will the board think the attendances are not down and there have been no real protest from the fans. Yes there has been a few boos at the end of some games but no real anti-Martinez shouts.
Now the club have just announced season ticket sales will be reduced by 5% so I imagine although most are not happy with the performances we will all be renewing our tickets. I would just say what a good gesture by our board with this move, and they I believe are the first Premiership club to reduce prices.
So if season ticket sales go up and I think they might, maybe this will persuade the board to give him another season. Everyone I speak to wants him sacked so its a real conundrum, and I fear if season tickets fly out as I think they will then we will have RM for another season.
74 Posted 07/03/2016 at 10:37:23
The quicker the media latch on to the fact that this guy is a clown, the better.
75 Posted 07/03/2016 at 10:59:58
I would suggest he has 1 year's experience 7 times. A lot of difference from his view of his experience!!!
76 Posted 07/03/2016 at 11:00:41
I want to win that game and see Everton Football Club at Wembley with a chance to achieve something.
I'm sick of seeing Everton fail on every big occasion these days, that's why I so badly want to beat Chelsea Saturday evening.
Do I think Martinez will go if we get knocked out? ... No I don't.
Do I think Martinez SHOULD go if we get knocked out? ... Yes, what else are we waiting around to achieve this season?
Personally I see Saturday being a draw and Chelsea doing us over down at the Bridge this time in a replay.
So either way, it's still elimination.
77 Posted 07/03/2016 at 11:07:00
78 Posted 07/03/2016 at 11:12:16
No other club that can supposedly challenge for Europe or the top 4 would put up with this sequence of dropping points from winning positions.
79 Posted 07/03/2016 at 11:19:56
"I thought tactically we were outstanding. If you look at the way we got set up in the second half, we were the better side and I think we showed an incredible tactical understanding and character." Yes, you were setup nicely but then you changed it and ruined that setup. Idiot.
"There's no such thing as anticipating things in a negative manner. Rom emptied himself so we had some fresh legs." What does that even mean?!
"The same with Aaron Lennon. I think the tactical understanding that we showed gave us the advantage in the game, not the other way." No it didn't Ă˘â‚¬â€ś you took Lennon off and changed the game in West Ham's favour, you moron.
"If you played the game 20 times those last 12 minutes we would have won probably 19." Seriously? Is this what he's lowered himself to now, crystal-ball type reflections on lost games?
I've been pretty positive about him up till now, but I've had enough of this shite as well.
80 Posted 07/03/2016 at 11:29:22
81 Posted 07/03/2016 at 11:40:24
I mean it's the football business he's in, not comedy right?
82 Posted 07/03/2016 at 11:52:53
I don't like seeing players celebrating because they've been awarded a penalty. Celebrate by all means when the taker puts it in the back of the net but not before. I also don't like seeing any Everton players diving and it's becoming more common. Ross, McCarthy, Deulofeu, Mirallas have all been guilty of it. I don't want to see that from Everton players. I expect better.
Are there any fellow TW readers who didn't think that once West Ham got one back, they wouldn't go on to at least get a draw? It's absolutely sickening how we can fight to get a two goal lead against a very good West Ham side with 10 men and then capitulate. There are far less talented Everton teams down the years which would have won that game on Saturday in that position. Contrast our fortune with that of the RS yesterday. 1-0 down with ten men and their goalkeeper gifts them an equaliser. Then the £32 million pudding of a striker earns a fortuitous penalty, awarded by the linesman, not the referee. These two games encapsulate what it is to support Everton and the RS for me.
83 Posted 07/03/2016 at 11:54:21
In today's Guardian, Bilic put the issue better than any of us could. Everton have one of the best teams in the league, yet they are way off Europe. Why? Because we have a manager who refuses to recognise that you win from the back.
Only Aston Villa have let in more goals than Everton at home this season what does that say? He fails to teach them the Shankly motto about football being a game that ends with the whistle, all of their throwaways have been after 70 minutes they switch off as they think the game is won.
I was prepared to give Martinez a chance but he has been with us 3 seasons now and even if he bought Messi I still think we would be way off next season.
He has to go and I think he will sooner rather than later. Who to bring in? Not sure but there are plenty of managers who would get the best out of the players we have. I can't be bothered watching Saturday's game, I'll be surprised if we don't get stuffed!;
84 Posted 07/03/2016 at 11:56:00
85 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:06:22
I would suggest he has 1 years experience 7 times.
86 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:08:24
87 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:10:44
Not a Garth Crooks fan, and the guy clearly doesn't rate Martinez, but he's about right :
"If you're having to score three goals at home to get a point, I'm not sure you're in the right league."
88 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:15:38
If we replace the manager now, and I mean properly replace not just get rid and stick a caretaker in, the new man has a few games to judge the playing squad in a proper competitive environment. He can then decide who needs replacing and who just needs a kick up the backside and some proper coaching. Then when the transfer window opens he can target new players from a position of knowledge.
If we wait until the season is over the new manager will not be able to make educated purchases until the end of the window, anything beforehand will be based on pre-season and hearsay. That instantly puts us behind.
89 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:16:43
90 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:20:30
Assuming most of the decent ones are currently battling for cups, league places and even the Euros, we'd be better off planning for a summer handover.
91 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:23:46
Paolo Di Canio
92 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:31:02
93 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:32:39
Half the squad and many of the potential targets will be at the Euro's, then Holiday. Which could leave 4 or 5 weeks of the window left and he hasn't seen a ball kicked in anger by anybody of note.
94 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:33:56
96 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:42:17
As soon as we missed that penalty, even though there was only 22 minutes left, I turned to the guy in front and said
"Why do I get that familiar feeling we'll be hanging on at the end."
As it was going into injury time we were 2-3 behind, quite how we collapsed so quickly is unbelievable.
That is now Bournemouth, Chelsea and West Ham who have all scored THREE goals against us in the last 25 minutes of games since November.
97 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:43:45
98 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:45:00
The fact he can't see that by subbing Lennon with Niasse totally disrupted the balance of the team is proof that he is not up to the job.
If we have any chance of persuading our young guns to stay in the summer we have to get rid as soon as possible.
99 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:45:31
There are a couple of excellent sites for team statistics which break down when goals are conceded in matches over the course of a season. While it is not uncommon for the percentage of goals conceded in the last 15 minutes to be higher than for other 15 minute periods of the game, RM's historical percentages for his teams conceding after 70 minutes are shocking. the last ten minutes and extra time percentages are more so.
It either indicates the possible lack of fitness, lack of proper defending kno- how, and poor substitutions are to blame, or one, two, or all three. Regardless, of which of these it is, it all tracks back squarely to the manager.
At this point, I am not sure who is more inept as a game manager, RM or McClaren. I actually feel sorry for Remi Garde because I do think he knows how to manage but he clearly does not have the players that are good enough at this point to win.
Sadly, for Everton, we do and we are not, so time to go RM. Your three years are up at the end of the season. RM could be an invaluable asset as an evaluator of talent but that is where his input should be contained.
100 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:48:05
I was having a laugh with a few of them!
Steve McLaren soon too.
Options all over the place.
101 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:49:07
By the way, I reckon Gary Rowett, currently managing Birmingham City, would be worth a try.
102 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:52:35
I think RM with the right people around him could do well.
Unless his real personality makes him so unapproachable.
103 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:53:15
104 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:55:58
105 Posted 07/03/2016 at 12:56:11
106 Posted 07/03/2016 at 13:03:44
If we are to remove Roberto from his position and I personally think we should please no more Eddie Howe or similar types, we need a manager who has tasted the big-time as a player and preferably one who has managed teams who have been in the mix for titles in whichever top European division they have been involved. Anything less than that and we may as well stick with Roberto, it's not up to us, but surely if the club believes that it now has the necessary financials in place it cannot continue to behave like a newly promoted club.
107 Posted 07/03/2016 at 13:05:42
We have to learn from this. Our miracle could be winning the cup. If we do then it'll be down to the players in a one off gun fight.
To then keep the manager as thanks for the trophy will be a big mistake. Leicester saw the big picture and acted. We have to do the same, keep saying Koeman on here for me. He breathes total football from his first class career, he will get our lad's fit and add grit to the mentality.
The Stoke and West Ham games have been the most entertaining I've seen but I'm not a neutral and I'm sick of hearing away fans singing all the way down priory road...
Thanks for the thrills Roberto but my grandad told me how Dixie fought for this club with every breath to win a game. That is being an Evertonian.
108 Posted 07/03/2016 at 13:09:47
109 Posted 07/03/2016 at 13:29:20
He committed tactical suicide with that change of formation after the Lennon sub. Why suddenly go to 4-3-2 when 4-4-1 was working just fine?
No way was the missed penalty the turning point. His fannying around was.
Hopefully our new investor will see straight through the bullshit this bloke spouts and book him a taxi asap.
110 Posted 07/03/2016 at 13:41:51
The Catalan (Guardiola and Martinez) duo are pursuing idealism: a steadfast belief in or pursuance of ideals, the tendency to represent things in their ideal forms, rather than as they are. Their aesthetic principles are of supreme importance, and are practically non-negotiable. Furthermore, there's a pervading sense from Guardiola and Martinez that, at its best, with top quality players who are all well versed in their duties, this possession-centric brand of football is approaching unbeatable.
111 Posted 07/03/2016 at 13:47:44
That's got to be the chant to oust this fraud..
113 Posted 07/03/2016 at 15:08:06
114 Posted 07/03/2016 at 15:46:29
Who's next, Pellegrini, Hiddink or Koeman?
115 Posted 07/03/2016 at 15:54:41
With the squad available, increased income from investment, from TV money or both. The club is an attractive proposition. Everton for the first time in perhaps thirty years have a chance to not only compete for top 4 but actually challenge for the league. This summer really is a golden opportunity to wake from our slumber. Our board must seize their chance.
116 Posted 07/03/2016 at 15:59:11
117 Posted 07/03/2016 at 16:06:57
Why can't they put some of the comments on TW to him and insist on a response, and then probe that response, instead of letting him off the hook.
Steve McClaren gets almost a page and a half (Daily Mail) on his future, but nothing on Martinez (other than his constantly laying the blame elsewhere).
Is Martinez a 'protected species' as far as the press/media are concerned?
118 Posted 07/03/2016 at 16:07:04
Monomania! I like it...
'Call me Ishmael.'
119 Posted 07/03/2016 at 16:22:45
History tells us when a species doesn't change then it doesn't survive. Roberto refuses to develop, he has so many things right, the young talent, the different age groups performing well and an eye for a player. We know his failings unfortunately Roberto does not.
Monomania. Great we have a Bond villian for a boss...
120 Posted 07/03/2016 at 16:29:28
I think Patrick Boyland is way off the mark putting Guardiola and Martinez in the same category. Not only is Guardiola at the very peak of his trade; unlike Martinez, he works with what he has.
At Barcelona, Guardiola had in Inniesta and Xavi, probably two of the best midfielder players in world football. Then added to that was the genius that is Messi. So Guardiola naturally played a possession-based game with everything going through the centre of midfield.
Rather than taking the easy option of staying at Barcelona, he decides to move to another country and joins Bayern. There he uses the pace of Ribery and Robben to open teams up and plays less through the centre of midfield.
The only similarity between Guardiola and Martinez is they are both Catalans. One is out of his depth in the Premier League; the other is a class act.
The other big difference is that, at both Barcelona and Bayern, he plays a high tempo game, and to do that your players have got to be very fit. Martinez plays a slow build up, were fitness is less of an issue.
121 Posted 07/03/2016 at 16:31:47
122 Posted 07/03/2016 at 16:38:14
123 Posted 07/03/2016 at 16:45:00
Harmartia arose from the Greek verb hamartanein, meaning "to miss the mark" or "to err." Aristotle introduced the term in the Poetics to describe the error of judgment which ultimately brings about the tragic hero's downfall. As you can imagine, the word is most often found in literary criticism. However, news writers occasionally employ the word when discussing the unexplainable misfortune or missteps of uber-celebrities regarded as immortal gods and goddesses before being felled by their own shortcomings.
Hamartia is a morally neutral non-normative term, derived from the verb hamartano, meaning 'to miss the mark,' 'to fall short of an objective.' And by extension: to reach one destination rather than the intended one; to make a mistake, not in the sense of a moral failure, but in the nonjudgmental sense of taking one thing for another, taking something for its opposite. Hamartia may betoken an error of discernment due to ignorance, to the lack of an essential piece of information. Finally, hamartia may be viewed simply as an act which, for whatever reason, ends in failure rather than success."
124 Posted 07/03/2016 at 16:45:39
The BBC have just carried out a poll on who should be the next manager sacked. The poll result was 71% McClaren, 7% LVG and Remi Garde, nobody else polled 3%.
125 Posted 07/03/2016 at 16:50:26
126 Posted 07/03/2016 at 16:51:35
Are you sure it wasnt a poll on who will be the next one sacked. Makes a difference.
127 Posted 07/03/2016 at 16:56:22
The most unfit mob in the Premier League.
128 Posted 07/03/2016 at 16:56:43
This season we have lost seven home games with four games still to play in a 38 game season..... he can still do it.
In fact, those nine defeats are our worst since promotion in 54-55, and a couple of seasons when we lost eight at home.
129 Posted 07/03/2016 at 17:08:28
130 Posted 07/03/2016 at 17:09:44
John (127) If the club does honour Roberto's contract, he has that all too well utilised excuse of a major tournament (2016 Euros) interfering with his pre-season. The team will have at least one major excuse for not flying out of the blocks as the season begins.
As Everton head into November and still without a victory on home soil RM will bleat "We lost key players in the summer, through no fault of our own making.....we had xx number of players involved in the Euro's" although in reality most of them were on the first plane home as their national sides were not good enough to progress past the first stage of the tournament.
But worry not, fellow Evertonians, we will be in a good moment, we can rely on the bravery and character of our players to turn things around and all the players and back-room staff are fully focussed on getting Everton to the next level... I for one would actually believe him, however, the next level down is the Championship!
131 Posted 07/03/2016 at 17:26:40
Saturday, he initiates a system of 4-4-1. The system works. In fact it works really well. Well done Bobby. Our keeper isn't over stretched nor our defence in constant panic mode. Until.... the sub. Takes off Lennon. Okay, fair enough. Brings on Niasse. Okay, let's see. Niasse up top with Rom! He hasn't changed a player only. He's changed the system. The system that worked. The system that he chose. His decision. It left us bereft in the midfield.
After match interview. If Rom had scored penalty we'd of won says Bobby. One buck passed. Wish he'd of had enough about him to say "l made a poor decision, it backfired, I'll learn from it". But Bobby chats. Not worried for his job? I think he's chatting. After all Bobby chats, a lot!
133 Posted 07/03/2016 at 17:42:12
Like when exactly?
136 Posted 07/03/2016 at 18:40:26
There's a bloke on here Phil Walling I think. I might be wrong. He had him worked out right from the start, but caught up in the 1st year fluke mostly everybody ignored him.
137 Posted 07/03/2016 at 18:44:33
Sad to say it but I am finally joining those asking for a change. I think we should actually thank RM for helping to build a more exciting attacking force than that we have seen in many years if not decades, but the standards in the league and in management are now a step above that he can reach.
138 Posted 07/03/2016 at 19:05:45
Agreed the senior players should have stepped in by now. I just don't understand why they are allowing this to go on.
I read your post and envisaged you sitting there with a big clump of your own hair in each hand.
I share your frustration mate.
139 Posted 07/03/2016 at 19:08:31
Bobby Trump is just "phenomenal", "outstanding", "very close to special".
140 Posted 07/03/2016 at 19:16:17
141 Posted 07/03/2016 at 19:23:14
in a piece entitled Saturday was a turning point for me with Martinez"
"It amazes me when people say next season we will turn it all around and do a Ă‹Ĺ“Leicester, but where is the evidence of this? We have been playing the same predictable football for three seasons, why would it suddenly click into place? I spoke to a former player a few weeks ago, and he said he spoken to Graham Jones and asked Ă‹Ĺ“What if Plan A doesn't work? What is the Plan B? he was told there is no plan B, if it doesn't work then we will lose the game!....
I'm sorry but that is a ridiculous statement by Jones and is wholly unacceptable for any professional to not have any contingency plans for the random events that can occur on a football pitch at all levels.
142 Posted 07/03/2016 at 19:30:02
I replied, he's no genius Andy, it's the story of our season. Andy left me with this: he said Everton are a top 5 side, it's your manager. He's clueless.
143 Posted 07/03/2016 at 19:32:45
I suppose both issues will drag on into the summer then we'll all be distracted by the euros. Come May, both messrs Kenwright and Martinez will still be in charge and saying, "Oh, that Moshiri chappie? Nah, he was full of it. Didn't even know what the Boys Pen was!!".
144 Posted 07/03/2016 at 19:38:09
145 Posted 07/03/2016 at 19:48:57
I actually can't fathom how there doesn't even seem to be that much pressure on RM despite what's going on. The results speak for themselves. That alone should be enough for the press and the board to be questioning how long he can stay in the job. Add to that the ridiculous manner in which we have repeatedly dropped points and I really can't see any case for him not to be sacked.
We are a fucking mess! Why isn't anyone doing anything about it?
146 Posted 07/03/2016 at 19:55:47
Four of those seven were spent dodging a relegation bullet which caught up with him in the forth year. Not to worry he just jumped ship to another bunch of suckers. US!!.
I would also point out that under Rogers the RS tried to buy many big name players but they signed for other clubs. Rogers didn't have the prestige to convince them to sign. Martinez is in the same boat.
If Moshiri wants to make a big investment in the players he's going to need a well-known manager, especially in Europe, to convince the type of player he wants. Especially since we will have no European football to offer them. Martinez is not that manager.
147 Posted 07/03/2016 at 19:55:51
148 Posted 07/03/2016 at 20:01:28
149 Posted 07/03/2016 at 20:04:17
No one's saying anything because no one wants to own up to the problems. Least of all Martinez.
The only good thing for us is perhaps that its being discussed by ESPN LOL And they are supposed to hate us so much.
150 Posted 07/03/2016 at 20:20:43
I've always said Roberto has the luck of the devil at vital times, plus the total support of BK, and that's why it as been so hard to get rid of him.
151 Posted 07/03/2016 at 20:22:03
152 Posted 07/03/2016 at 20:32:46
Imagine having Martinez as your Manager and Trump as your President?
Na... couldn't happen... could it ?
153 Posted 07/03/2016 at 20:37:25
I was ranting and raving in the pub about how stupid this man is we have in charge of our club I've had it with him, I could do better etc etc... anyway, you get the picture.
Both of them agreed that Martinez seems to be a stubborn man, that he has signed some great players, that he has Everton playing football the way most of the league can only dream about and he will turn things around.
My response was "Are you two fucking serious? Do you know how many times we have let 2-goal leads turn into defeats inside 15 fucking minutes are you blind and thick?" I asked.
Basically, they reckon we play brilliant football, and surely we would want a guy like Martinez over the likes of Moyes now that we are coming into a bit of money.
Everything I threw at them stat wise, league position this season, last season, the guy's arrogance, his refusal to take stuff on board they threw it back at me. "That is what makes this guy so special - his positivity. All the great managers totally believe they are right."
"Great?" I said, "what the fuck is great about a manager who is incapable of learning?"
They asked me, "Have Everton had dodgy decisions go against them? Is Martinez right about referees refusing to give us blatant decisions and the likes, while everything and anything seems to go against us?"
"Well, I suppose we have had our share of bad luck, but it's not all about luck and bad referring ALL the time," I replied.
In general, they reckon, "Yes, it is hard being an Everton fan right now, but wait until Martinez gets it right and sorts the problems we have at the back and we will be challenging for the title. The changes he has made in the whole youth and Under -21 set up at Everton will bear fruit in the years ahead," they said; "All these young players want to play football the way Martinez teaches / coaches them."
Lunch ended with my Chelsea mucker saying he reckoned we would turn them over in the cup! "Who's the Everton fan?" I was asking myself.
Am I missing something, lads, or what? They nearly had me back on side again with Martinez. I don't get it, the love for this guy...
154 Posted 07/03/2016 at 20:40:05
155 Posted 07/03/2016 at 20:49:39
156 Posted 07/03/2016 at 20:51:25
Your story so much echoes what many non-Evertonians see; they may have a point and if RM remains in charge we all hope that they are right and we are wrong.
However, I'm sure, if Chelsea or Leeds or whichever club they supported were obtaining similar results, their passion for their club wouldn't allow them to constantly look for jam tomorrow whilst their team slipped down the table, despite having played some really good attacking football, only for it all to be undermined by abject defending and a manager who doesn't mind losing because he feels ultimately it will pay off for him and the team.
It's also necessary to take into account that Evertonians have shown bags of patience with different managers in the last 20 years and, as of yet, have had very very little to celebrate during that period. For fans of my age group, I don't want to wait another two, three, five or ten years for success, I want it now whilst I'm still young enough (just) to enjoy it.
157 Posted 07/03/2016 at 21:12:03
Forget that Martinez has turned a skinny, raw-boned youth into the top-rated young defender in Europe, worth 㿔 million-plus (Stones).
Forget that Martinez has rebuilt the confidence of a local lad, treated very harshly by our last manager, and now talked of as a starter for England in the 2016 Euros, also worth £40 million-plus (Barkley).
Forget that Martinez has silenced the opinions of practically all "experts" on Lukaku, and his apparent waste of £28 million may easily be doubled if he leaves this summer.
Forget the astute signings, still on a budget, until very recently the Premier League's "not got a pot to piss in" champions.
Unfortunately, we are all now buying into the instant success syndrome that 24-hour rolling football news feeds off. The minutae of every 90 minutes is over-analysed to death, and the bigger picture is lost.
It says more for our greedy, selfish nature perhaps, that we cannot tolerate anything other than instant gratification via our football club's success.
Me ? I'm proud to be a blue, think Martinez is on the right track, and the future is bright.
159 Posted 07/03/2016 at 21:18:09
We deserve better than a poor championship class manager and he should get no credit for the squad that we've assembled as it wasn't assembled by him. He is head coach and should be same at Accrington Stanley or Tranmere at best not Everton. He wasn't good enough for Wigan.
160 Posted 07/03/2016 at 21:21:24
No, mate, I'm not having that for one minute. Evertonians are hardly greedy selfish and seekers of instant gratification. The current boss has had THREE years to iron out the problems and to help Everton FC win football matches in the most competitive but (in my opinion) the weakest Premier League ever.
We are achieving less than we ought to be, and the fact that Bournemouth (for example) are only three points behind us they could be level come Saturday doesn't fill me with much hope that Roberto's methods will pay off in the short or long term.
I honestly hope I'm totally wide of the mark but, having witnessed all the highs and lows of Everton FC in the last 40 years, I would say we are very far away from having a team that can challenge for the Premier League... And we will be until either the manager alters some of his basic ideas or he is removed from his position the latter is more likely.
161 Posted 07/03/2016 at 21:23:25
I honestly wasn't frustrated on Saturday, because I'm only worried about the cup, this season. I just had a vision, that hopefully the despair will turn to joy, after the next game at Goodison, this Saturday.
Another reason I never let it bother me that much, was the final confirmation that we have to change the manager. I have been worried about players wanting to leave, if Martinez, goes, but now I just feel, that he's holding everyone back.
There was positives on Saturday. The biggest was the proof, that it's been the style and system,that has strangled the crowd for nearly two years now at Goodison. We played on the front foot, and it was so much better to watch.
The only things I didn't enjoy on Saturday, was the stupid sub, and the poor excuses that came afterwards!!!
162 Posted 07/03/2016 at 21:35:45
Nice to see Roberto's mum commenting on here under the alias of Peter at 157...
163 Posted 07/03/2016 at 21:46:39
We see a shambolic defence giving away loads of chances and, unfortunately lots of goals. Whilst at the other end of the pitch we have a group of attackers prepared to run at people but regularly missing the final pass and scoring lots of, but not quite enough, goals.
Non Evertonians see lots of chances for both sides, lots of goals going in at both ends, people running at people, loads of goalmouth action as the crosses flow in and nail biting finishes. They don't care who wins they just know that football matches featuring the Martinez Everton are for more interesting than the dull and boring 1-0 Everton wins they had to endure on MotD when Moyes was in charge
164 Posted 07/03/2016 at 21:47:17
But don't worry, say some, wait till he gets it right.
165 Posted 07/03/2016 at 21:48:38
166 Posted 07/03/2016 at 21:51:29
Martinez has a philosophy of how football should be played. The problem is it's a results business. I remember under Moyes we would turn out some dross but sneaked a one-nil. Happy days down the motorway or train journey home. I don't care how we play just win!!
167 Posted 07/03/2016 at 21:58:27
He did love Mourinho and I actually said I would like him at Everton because he now has a something to prove and I'm convinced he would win something for us... my friend reckoned he would ruin us!
168 Posted 07/03/2016 at 22:15:51
If he wasn't a 3 year manager, I probably would love him here too. We need a manager who can be here for the long haul, much like Wenger was to Arsenal. Clearly, we got the wrong one 3 years ago and its way past expiry date.
169 Posted 07/03/2016 at 22:19:34
Currently available and an average of 3 points per game for his last club. 34 years old born in Folkestone he holds his A licence and is educated to degree level. He has also won league titles with a previous club.
Okay, so his previous 'title winning' club was actually the Syracuse University Golden Griffins Womens team (in 2010) and his average of 3 points per game came in the Phillipines as manager of Kaya FC during February of 2015. Yes he was only actually in charge for three games. But they did win them all scoring 10 goals in the process and not conceding any.
I'm sure Bill would be interested....wouldn't he? I reckon he'd be cheap.
170 Posted 07/03/2016 at 22:24:35
Now I just can't be arsed. Unfortunately, I now think EFC are so rooted in mediocrity that it's in our DNA.
Why do I feel like this?
There are still factions of the fanbase that think what we've witnessed this past year is acceptable.
They argue that RM should be given more time (with a load of ifs and buts thrown in).
If he wins the FA Cup, they argue, that is a sign of better things to come in the league. (Utter crap).
Those in control of the club appear (to me) to lack any real ambition or sense of urgency.
I hope that changes with this Moshiri character and that he does a root and branch job on EFC, cutting out the deadwood 'management' team.
Interesting football debate on R5L tonight.
Chris Sutton said RM was taking us backwards and talks crap. Is he a TW reader? Andy Townsend said we're not a top 5 team / squad.
171 Posted 07/03/2016 at 22:54:37
Your right in getting the feeling that we get what we deserve because of our lack of ambition, we're far to happy to just sit back and watch other teams become winners. It's not the supporters fault though.
What role have Leicester supporters had in their success this season? very little. But the owner has ambition and had the balls to make a change of manager, he took a chance on a guy with some European experience and look what's happened.
BK never looks further than the northwest for his new managers.
172 Posted 07/03/2016 at 22:56:59
173 Posted 08/03/2016 at 00:21:34
What happened to the Manager's sitting next to the Chairmen of the club for some if not all of a game? Has it gone out of fashion? Do the Directors now believe that they should remain aloof of their employees? Are managers worried that Directors would learn too much about them in a match situation. Are there any Premier League managers who sit next to their directors or Chairmen?
174 Posted 08/03/2016 at 01:29:59
That is an interesting one, Patrick. My alternative would be manager and chairman watching a playback of the game on video (perhaps DVD if this Moshiri is splashing the cash) and they discuss exactly what tactics were employed, why and how they affected the game.
If this happened I truly believe Martinez would be out of a job. After 10 minutes of the game any sane person would see right through Martinez' and his rhetoric. He could talk for 10 solid minutes without ever saying anything. The occasional times he does make a point, it is normally so wide of the mark that you'd think he was watching another game.
I think that's just one more thing that is so galling about this whole affair. It's not just the poor results and performances...it's the denial and delusion from Martinez. How can you solve a problem when you genuinely believe there isn't one?
As if it needed saying...Martinez Out!
176 Posted 08/03/2016 at 06:31:03
Perhaps the only way they will start to understand the feelings of our supporters is if at long last we begin to make our feelings known at Goodison Park, and not just in the last ten/fifteen minutes of games when things have turned sour. We have to start showing our feelings from start to finish, to let the world hear and see that we've had enough. Then and only then might we see the back pages turning up the heat on our charlatan of a manager.
As long as we keep packing the ground every game and as long as all we do is give Martinez an easy ride, as we're doing at present, the press will continue to believe he has the backing of the majority of the fans and he will continue to be their darling of the positive soundbite, the epitome of the 'good loser ' who takes the positives from the most appalling displays of capitulation I've seen from an Everton team in my 56 years of following this great club.
Or should I now be saying "once-great club" because any lingering greatness that still existed when Martinez took over has been systematically strangled out of us by this quack and his so called management team of well qualified losers? He has turned us into a perennial bottom half club with relegation a distinct possibility if he is allowed another season to kill us off forever as a force in the Premier League.
Mr Moshiri, someone, anyone, please put him out of our misery right now and find us a manager who can actually manage!
177 Posted 08/03/2016 at 15:44:41
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