Everton get green light for Moshiri deal

08/03/2016  171 Comments  [Jump to last]
Farhad Moshiri's purchase of a 49/9% stake in Everton FC has been ratified by the Premier League.

The League has considered submissions from the club regarding the Iranian-born billionaire's proposed investment and have now given the deal the go-ahead.

Moshiri sold a 15% holding in rivals Arsenal to his long-time business partner Alisher Usmanov last month to pave the way to becoming Everton's largest shareholder.

His arrival sees Chairman Bill Kenwright and Jon Woods each sell a 13% stake in the club.  


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Darren Bailey
1 Posted 08/03/2016 at 16:58:18
Good. Right, first job: sack Martinez.
Peter Laing
2 Posted 08/03/2016 at 17:00:49
Fantastic and much welcome news. Hopefully Usmanov will also be coming on board in the fullness of time. Although I'm excited I would now like to see the vision and blueprint for Everton FC, starting with the stadium.
Dan Davies
3 Posted 08/03/2016 at 17:02:09
Onwards and upwards!
Ian Price
4 Posted 08/03/2016 at 17:19:02
Great news! First job – sack our current manager, introduce Big Dunc as first team coach until end of season, then see if Gus Hiddink is available (should be) at end of season and bring him in.
Ian Jones
5 Posted 08/03/2016 at 17:21:17
We should all be careful what we wish for. Arsene Wenger may be available soon.
Les Martin
6 Posted 08/03/2016 at 17:35:15
I think we could be seeing some of the biggest changes in our history over the next 12 months. Everton are not a sacking club but Martinez will be under extreme pressure should we go out of the cup at the weekend.

New investment for players, and the stadium issue will be in our minds.

I think it is going to be an exciting future, even if our season comes to a premature end come Saturday.
Andy Thompson
7 Posted 08/03/2016 at 17:46:27
Great news! Darren (#1) sums it up perfectly – get the clown out now or latest after Saturday's defeat to Chelsea.
Kevin Johnson
8 Posted 08/03/2016 at 17:49:18
Taxi for Mr Martinez...
Kunal Desai
9 Posted 08/03/2016 at 17:50:32
I don't think changes are going to be that dramatic, even if results continue to be poor right until the end of the season the club will assess his future in the summer. Personally I think he should be sacked in the summer but I'm hoping Moshiri is not persuaded by Kenwright or any other shareholders to give Martinez a little longer.

This club needs to move away from the 'nicey nicey' approach and become ruthless. If you can't perform then you are out it's that simple. There is no room for being a sentimental club any longer.

Neil Howard
10 Posted 08/03/2016 at 17:57:11
I think Mr.Moshiri and co. are in a very precarious situation. They cannot delay too long in removing RM, if that is their intention. Come Saturday and the remainder of the season could start to approach terminal velocity!

But Duncan Ferguson as temporary boss? Are our options that limited?
Jackie Barry
11 Posted 08/03/2016 at 18:00:10
If we go out of the FA Cup, sack him. What would be the point in keeping him on? Personally I would do it now.
Rob Halligan
12 Posted 08/03/2016 at 18:06:35
Colin Glassar will be happy!!
Pete Cross
13 Posted 08/03/2016 at 18:18:03
Now is the time for a club statement; let's know their plan for the future.
Rob Hooton
14 Posted 08/03/2016 at 18:18:43
Phew, am sure there will be a few who are relieved.

I don't there will be any quick changes, Mr Moshiri will now take stock of what he has purchased no doubt.

Peter McCann
15 Posted 08/03/2016 at 18:21:22
Hope he lets us know his plans now

The appointment of Ferguson to any role would be a backward step.

Jeff Armstrong
16 Posted 08/03/2016 at 18:28:26
Big Dunc? Bibs, balls and cones Big Dunc? Oh he's gonna make a big difference, he doesn't even like football.

Remember when he was out injured or suspended (as usual) and we got beat by Newcastle on Sky's Monday night footie. Next day he asked one of the players how "we'd got on last night"?
Ray Robinson
17 Posted 08/03/2016 at 18:36:39
Jeff, wasn't that the night we decided to sell him because we were going bust? If so, possibly to not the best example to highlight his indifference - although I take your general point.
James Marshall
18 Posted 08/03/2016 at 18:38:06
Somebody tell Colin!!
Kevin Turner
19 Posted 08/03/2016 at 18:45:56
I might have missed something but I can't for the life of me think why some posters on here think Usmanov will be heading to Goodison.
Colin Glassar
20 Posted 08/03/2016 at 18:49:26
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. I thought this might run into trouble as, after all, we are Everton and nothing is ever plain sailing.

I don't see anything major happening until the end of the season even if we win or lose on Saturday. If this guy is serious about making us a force in football then he has several issues to contend with.

1) Keeping our young stars
2) Atracting 2-3 top notch players in the summer
3) Announcing his stadium plans
4) Improving our commercial deals
5) Future investments in the club
6) Decide on manager

Points 1 and 2 may well depend on who the manager is. I can't wait to see what he has to say.

Thomas Surgenor
21 Posted 08/03/2016 at 18:51:30
Rome wasn't built in a day so I don't expect mass changes on the playing side.

I actually think he will focus his attentions on sorting out the sham of a "business" we have become.

The playing side will follow when the business isn't hemorrhaging money à la BVI, Kitbag, other operating costs etc.

Brian Porter
22 Posted 08/03/2016 at 18:57:38
I'd take Wenger over RM anytime. Please God, hope the new guy makes a big statement of intent by sacking the lunatic in charge of the asylum.
Jack Farrell
23 Posted 08/03/2016 at 19:09:16
Surely Joe Royle would be the obvious choice should a caretaker manager be needed.
Joe Foster
24 Posted 08/03/2016 at 19:15:56
Twitchy bum time RM.
Andy Crooks
25 Posted 08/03/2016 at 19:30:40
I want Martinez out but I'd rather he stayed till the end of the season than have Duncan Ferguson anything to do with the first team. Why on earth would anyone think he could manage our club for one second.
Brent Stephens
26 Posted 08/03/2016 at 19:34:01
I can't believe the incoming major (and effectively controlling) shareholder in a company wouldn't look at current performance (in this case on the pitch) and seek advice (if needed) as to where the problem and solutions lie).

In fact, I can't believe Moshiri wouldn't have already looked at this over the 18 months of discussions to date. I can't see him as being happy with the performance, and therefore...

He's coming in with no historical or emotional ties to Roberto, so...

Paul Kossoff
27 Posted 08/03/2016 at 19:40:53
Excuse me for not joining in dancing round the maypole and singing hallelujah. Moshri has bought some shares, that's all.

I don't trust Kenwright and just knew the Americans wouldn't buy Everton. If, Moshri puts money into Everton then we can look to a brighter future only if Martinez is sacked, would you want transfer funds given to him?

No matter who Martinez brought in the team would still be playing the way we all know is wrong.
Rob Halligan
28 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:01:09
The only snag with this thread is that I cannot find confirmation anywhere. It's not on the Everton official site, the BBC website or the Sky football website. So has anyone seen official confirmation of this?
Paul Hewitt
29 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:01:17
This guy hasn't made billions by being a soft touch. He won't put up with Roberto's bullshit.
John Atkins
30 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:02:50
He'll still be in charge for the first few games of next season – unfortunately! I can see Mr Moshiri telling him he has 10 games or to prove himself

Not what we all want to hear but can't see him being sacked just yet. Billy boy will persuade him to give him more time.

Pete Ward
31 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:05:15
It's obvious Martinez has to go. The problem is that Moshiri can't just walk in and sack him as he would have an instant reputation as a hatchet man rather than 'the people's club saviour' that bill has groomed him to be.

If we win on Saturday then we are stuck with Martinez until next season at least. My view is that we will win the cup and have another poor season next year in the league with Martinez's reign extended by cup success.
Patrick Murphy
32 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:06:22
Rob (#28),

The Echo have confirmed it in tonight's live blog, I don't suppose it's particularly interesting to those who don't support Everton as it's only a technical process.

Rob Halligan
33 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:08:34
Cheers Patrick.
Rob Halligan
34 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:11:54
And yet the Sky football website have a headline "Bolton takeover approved by Football League".

Are Bolton a bigger club than us now, more important to Sky than us?

Peter Bell
35 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:18:51
Jeff 16 & Ray 17

That Newcastle game you refer to was in 2003 when Yobo got sent off and Shearer scored that worldy. It was Sunday afternoon game and he asked how we got on the next morning in training.

The Sky Monday night game when he was sold was against Sunderland about 3 years earlier

Kase Chow
36 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:20:31
The old regime (Kenwright et al) are not the sacking type (in general).

It will be very interesting to see what the new guy's plans are and what are his intentions. Don't rule out him wanting to make money on the TV deal and just to let Everton drift as we have done for years now.

Hopefully he has big plans aligned with what we want (stadium, players, new manager etc) but it's yet to be seen.

Fingers crossed...

John Keating
37 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:20:35
As long as this guy boots Elstone out the same "moment" as the demented one, I'll be happy.
Peter Bell
38 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:23:56
Andy @25

Totally agree on this weird fascination with DF.

Why ask a man to manage Everton, when he clearly can't even manage his own money.

Trevor Peers
39 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:30:05
Apparently Moshiri wasn't too impressed with Wenger's methods at Arsenal and wanted a change, so Roberto might be in for a rough ride at last.
Andy Riley
40 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:32:07
Peter #35. The game when DF was sold was a Monday night game actually against Newcastle. DF was injured or suspended. Everton won 1-0 and Michael Ball scored with a penalty.

I think the deal was completed during the game by Peter Johnson. Walter Smith was completely in the dark and became aware only at full time – as a consequence he almost resigned immediately.

Gerry Quinn
41 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:33:51
Daily Post reporting that Moshiri is set to visit Goodison Park on Saturday...I wonder if the fans will react to Martinez?
Peter Bell
42 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:36:44
Thanks Andy, thought it was Sunderland they played that night.
John Roberts
43 Posted 08/03/2016 at 20:42:21
Agree with the first post whole heartedly. First job: new manager!

We don't need major investment in our squad, to be honest; it's got plenty of quality already! Just Martinez cannot get the best out of it.
Colin Glassar
44 Posted 08/03/2016 at 21:17:13
Daily Telegraph reporting it as well.

Trevor, when Merson muttered "worrying" the other day when asked about Moshiri leaving Arsenal for Everton apparently it was because Moshiri was pushing for a change of management at the club and his leaving left Wenger even stronger.

Keith Harrison
45 Posted 08/03/2016 at 21:44:05
Andy, Duncan's dad was in the Winslow before the game saying he had been sold to the Skunks against his will, and Walter didn't know about it either.

Bally scored a Don Hutchison won penalty in the Park End.

Let's hope Mr Moshiri is a hard headed businessman eh! Walter was sacked after the Quarterfinal loss to Boro away.

John Moore
46 Posted 08/03/2016 at 22:07:59
Please stop with the Duncan Ferguson thing (untested and inexperienced) and, while I'm at it, Joe Royle (backward step). Oh and David Moyes too (my God, he was manager for 11 years and won fuck all)

We need someone who's a proven winner, who's not used to failure. I don't want to be nice Everton anymore, I want to be nasty horrible Everton who everyone hates cause we're twatting them every week.

I don't know who this is but I wouldn't mind having a go for Ronald Koeman, I remember him cheating England out of a place at the Euros I think it was. He'd do for me.
Patrick Murphy
47 Posted 08/03/2016 at 22:58:45
I assume that until the Premier League approved Mr Moshiri, no formal paperwork could be signed or shares exchanged officially, hence the wording of the statement on the official site.

Everton Football Club has today received notification that the proposed investment into the Club by Farhad Moshiri has been approved by the Premier League.

Peter Laing
48 Posted 08/03/2016 at 23:05:37
Can't believe the negativity directed on here at Duncan Ferguson. All hypothetical bullshit as a) as far as I last checked Roberto Martinez is still Everton Manager and b) if he is relieved of his duties the chances of DF becoming the interim Manager would be extremely slim.

To then denigrate into snide remarks about Duncan in my opinion is extremely childish. I would hate to have been in the trenches with some of the guys on here!

Gavin Johnson
49 Posted 08/03/2016 at 23:25:03
Come Saturday, I hope we can all put our own feelings about Martinez aside. The team needs a 12th man if there was ever a time this season.

I hope the crowd gets going like it did in the first tie of the semis against Man City. Of course it's a two-way street so fingers crossed the players come out fighting.

Jay Wood
51 Posted 08/03/2016 at 00:06:00
Great news! Perfect timing for a serious shake up in the ownership of the club with the huge uplift in the TV deal coming into effect next season, making it an even more level playing field for all clubs in the Premier League than even this topsy-turvy season is proving.

I still wait to see absolute confirmation of which previous shareholders have sold up all, or part, of their shares and the new roles of remaining shareholders.

I hope Mr Moshri will soon become a regular figure at games and before much longer that we will hear a 'mission statement' from him as to just what his vision and plans are for the club.

As for existing employees at the club – more specifically, the current CEO and manager – a new gaffer will no doubt be evaluating their performance and making decisions on whether to continue with them or not.

Interesting times ahead, methinks...

Anthony Dwyer
52 Posted 09/03/2016 at 00:10:28
Great news that the Moshiri deal is now done and dusted, we can now worry about matters onfield.

On the subject of big Duncan,Duncan is a great blue, that said so am I, there is no way on this planet he can be given the job on a permanent basis.

We could give anyone the job to see out the season as we won't go anywhere with Martinez in charge.

If the manager we want is currently unemployed, then we could get him in as soon as, but if not anyone will get the blues fans an players alike up more than Martinez.

He has well and truly run his course.

Don Alexander
53 Posted 09/03/2016 at 02:10:15
To Messrs Laing (@48) and Dwyer (52);

Duncan Ferguson massively damaged every club employing him as a player. His decade long "career" with us resulted in only 6 goals a season on average. "Legend"? Are you drinking from the same pot as Martinez?

Having squandered his vast, undeserved income within a few years of it ending he begged the soft touch that is, now hopefully was, the EFC board and got a job as a totally unproven trainer.

Money aside, the guy has achieved zero in his life, unless his pigeon fascination has been worthwhile, but I can never forgive the fact that his playing ability, which was awesome when he rarely chose to show it, was ruined by his constant wilful thuggery.

Bankrupt as he now Is he'll have to do whatever it takes to preserve Duncan, and bollocks to the club he's at.

Plus ça change!

Tony Gill
54 Posted 09/03/2016 at 02:45:57
Why not go for Mourinho? He is available after all...

What a statement it would send if we went for Jose? if our new owner is serious then why not? I also think Everton would be of interest to Mourinho...
Dennis Ng
55 Posted 09/03/2016 at 03:11:53
Tony 54, Mou is good for about 3 years. I don't mind getting him but he's not a good long term solution based on his past stints. Not sure if the latest Chelsea stint will change him for the better, but hire him with a backup plan at least.

Rudi Garcia is another name thrown around, and some of the current EPL managers are good targets for "signed for next season".

Tony Gill
56 Posted 09/03/2016 at 03:17:50
Dennis, we need high profile manager, if our new owner is serious, you would take Mourhino for 3 years,??? He is high profile – we need this!!!
Mark Andersson
57 Posted 09/03/2016 at 03:52:11
Saturday would be the best time to voice our dissatisfaction of Martinez.

If our new man is present then he needs to know how the majority feel.

What is the point in letting Martinez stay, he has failed the evidence is there.

I am not bothered if we win lose or draw against Chelsea we will not win the cup. The sooner the Spanish mackerel is shipped out the better for all us fans.

Sadly though I predict same shite different game.

Jack Mason
58 Posted 09/03/2016 at 04:02:16
If (and it's a big if) we could could get Mourinho, it would be a huge statement of intent by the club, which not only would raise our profile considerably but would certainly attract players. And maybe convince the one's already here to stay.

I don't think his potential appointment would be met by every Evertonian with universal acceptance. He is though, exactly the type of manager we need and probably if we do have a chance, an opportunity to good to turn down.

Dennis Ng
59 Posted 09/03/2016 at 05:18:37
Tony, sure, we can try Mou for 3 years, but I would hate for him to start flirting with other clubs after 1-2 years. He's only talking to man utd so far, so that tells me a lot about the man.

Koeman, Garcia look like better gambles. Short term fixes might even be LVG, Wenger (if he does get fired). Also Hiidink, he's a good fixer.

Link

My dream catch is Simeone. Hey, Hiidink's 16/1, pretty good chance of getting him I guess.

Ideally whoever comes in should have a long term plan (and relatively young), a good enough track record and a good enough profile. Everyone will know Poch in a few years. I just hate that we missed out on Poch and Klopp.

Liam Reilly
61 Posted 09/03/2016 at 07:52:58
Can't see any change until the summer at least, when the purse for new players is to be released.

Could do worse though than demanding that RM work with a defensive coach for the rest of this season.

Clive Lewis
62 Posted 09/03/2016 at 08:18:39
Not sure we should keep Martinez if we win the FA Cup, relegation would surely follow next season. After all... he has lost the dressing room.
Ged Simpson
63 Posted 09/03/2016 at 08:37:28
Mourhino - oh God not him. Are we that desperate to be mentioned on Sky. I would hate us to become a new manager every 2 seasons type of club.
Harold Matthews
64 Posted 09/03/2016 at 08:49:13
I like Sean Dyche, Clement, Eddie Howe, The Boro boss, the guy at Watford, Gary Neville, Senor Jesus, Koeman and plenty of others. I don't like Martinez the coach and I'm not exactly bowled over by Martinez the person.

The scouting team appear to be pretty good. Likewise the academy coaches. With a squad depleted by the many loan placements, David Unsworth is doing a mighty job with his U21s and I hope he stays with us when the multi-millionaire, 2nd division, philosophy upstart gets the chop.

Raymond Fox
65 Posted 09/03/2016 at 09:02:54
Ged 63, 'lost the dressing room' who says?

That's the trouble with forums, rumour tends to become fact over time, and if enough people repeat it!

John Jones
66 Posted 09/03/2016 at 09:08:11
Why sack Martinez right at this moment?

A) There isn't anyone available who we would want to takeover available until the summer. My preferences being Pellegrini, Hiddink or Koeman in that order. Please don't touch the circus act Mourinho with a barge pole.

B) Some of the caretakers suggested are only qualified to be exactly that, ie locking up Goodison of a night. I don't like the Duncan hating but some of the points above are correct he has zero qualifications for the job and is only classed as a "legend" on the back of his antics not his amazing play or goals return. Joe Royle honestly are people being serious? As far as I can tell he currently acts like a granddad for some of the academy players, which probably totals him telling them to work harder and offering them a Werther's Original.

The first three years after the takeover are going to be critical as to what direction we go on and off the pitch. Getting in a proven Premier League manager is preferable. It would suit us to have Pellegrini a safe pair of hands who isn't gonna rock the boat and is eager to stay in England, how hungry is he to prove Man City wrong and he has an air of class about him, no talking garbage in the papers or to Sky and certainly non of the Mourinho self interested crap that comes with him.

Barry Pearce
67 Posted 09/03/2016 at 09:41:29
Koeman, if and when Martinez goes.
Martin Mason
68 Posted 09/03/2016 at 10:17:10
Pellegrini is too old and lacking in dynamism for me; he's done really badly at Man City and they have played crap at times.
Greg Hunt
69 Posted 09/03/2016 at 10:18:50
Koeman alienated half the dressing room at Valencia, sending Cañzares, Angulo, and Albelda to play with the youth team for months. Cañizares and Angulo were past their best, but deserved more respect after everything they’d achieved (2 Champions League finals, 2 league titles, UEFA Cup).

But Albelda, the club captain, was still a fine player. Just to give a flavour of what Albelda thinks of him, last year he said: "I hope Koeman becomes the Barça manager. That way the league would be a more level playing field." After Koeman was sacked, Albelda played on for years.

For me, there’s no barge pole big enough. His predecessor at Valencia and now the Watford manager, Quique Sanchez Flores, would be a better bet, although his style of play is much more conservative than Martinez’s.

John Jones
70 Posted 09/03/2016 at 10:32:06
Flores is a good shout and if being conservative means being higher than us in the league and not conceding goals as if it was going out of fashion then...
Michael Penley
71 Posted 09/03/2016 at 10:34:16
If we have to go with former Evertonians (not a bad idea) I'd go with Stubbs before touching Duncan. He was interviewed for the job when Moyes left so we know he'd be keen. Knows the club, still young. At this point I'd prefer anything but Martinez.
Peter Bell
72 Posted 09/03/2016 at 10:36:35
I'd rather have Levi Stubbs...
Harold Matthews
73 Posted 09/03/2016 at 10:39:37
Cheers Greg. Very interesting post.
Andy Codling
74 Posted 09/03/2016 at 10:54:58
Aaaaaa... Stubbs – the man who was advising Rooney to leave, all them years ago.
Andrew Clare
75 Posted 09/03/2016 at 11:06:36
Now we have the money the most important thing is getting the right manager.

I would rule out a British manager straight away they just aren't good enough. Just look at the top eight clubs in the Premier League not one of them has a British manager.

What we need is a man with a proven track record. From a country where in order to succeed tactical awareness is a priority.

I don't want Mourinho (now no good without ridiculous money) or Pellegrini (too old). They are out there in Spain, Germany, Italy, Portugal and beyond.

Colin Glassar
76 Posted 09/03/2016 at 11:08:51
Why not keep Martinez and replace his back room staff with professionals? This way he can continue to build his team of young stars and his (new) coaches can teach these players how to defend, as well as attack.

We could also get a professional spokesman to do pre and post game interviews.

John Jones
77 Posted 09/03/2016 at 11:30:04
As if Martinez would just accept having his backroom team replaced and taken off the only thing he seems good at talking to the press!!

Stubbs?... erm, no ta. We've just had a billionaire takeover and who better to lead us into a new era than Alan Stubbs, seriously? I've actually heard and that he is almost nailed on for Celtic in the summer.

Phil Walling
78 Posted 09/03/2016 at 11:33:00
Compromise is the coward's castle, Colin. Liverpool tried that with Brenda. It was a failure just as it has been wherever it has been tried.

No self-respecting manager would have staff inflicted on him so a total change it has to be.

Ian Burns
79 Posted 09/03/2016 at 11:33:39
Colin (#76),

Martinez would walk rather than have his philosophy undermined with a new coaching staff – they might just practice defensive formations and how to defend – now that wouldn't please El Boss Bob and would never be entertained.

He is here for at least the first few months of next season, he has been sucking up for weeks on end to BK and now Mr. Moshiri making sure his job is safe.

Greg Hunt
80 Posted 09/03/2016 at 11:44:20
Cheers Harold. Hopefully it was interesting for more than just the weird characters!
Jim Lloyd
81 Posted 09/03/2016 at 12:00:05
It seems to me that we couldn't expect Roberto Martinez to have a new coaching staff foisted upon him, as that would be an admission of failure.

He either takes on board the results at Goodison (and some away results) as a flaw in his appproach, or he carries on with what he's doing now.

I don't see the point of having an interim Manager then us looking for a new Manager to start at the season end. Well, perhaps it would remove a source of angst away from those fans who couldn't bear Roberto's presence any longer.

I could have seen Kenwright persisting with him next season, if we hadn't had the new shareholder come in, as Kenwright would not have had the funds to do much about getting a top class manager in.

I think, if he hasn't already made up his mind, Mr Moshiri will inetrview Martinez and make his mind up after the interview as to whether we bring in a new manager.

It's going to be the most important decision he is going to make; because if we keep a Manager who doesn't improve results, then I think two things will happen. Any chance of us keeping our better young players will go: and there will be further alienation of the supporters.

So I don't think Mr Moshiri would be happy without having the best chance possible of keeping is better players and maximising the chances of bringing more top class players in.

I'm sad to say, that I don't think Roberto is up to the task. There is a flaw in his football outlook, which shows no sign of being eradicated.

I think we need a manager who everyone will be excited about and would be here for the long term. Directors, Players, Shareholders, Fans and players from other clubs who would chose us over other clubs.

A tall order and I wouldn't have a clue about which manager to pick.

Dave Lynch
82 Posted 09/03/2016 at 12:05:41
While we're playing the hypothetical game of:

"Let's pluck the next manager"

I nominate Glen Hoddle.

Ged Simpson
83 Posted 09/03/2016 at 12:16:33
Raymond Fox 65:

"Lost the dressing room"

I must have thought it and not noticed. God, you're clever to have spotted that without me writing it!

Jim Lloyd
84 Posted 09/03/2016 at 12:17:28
I don't think everyone's playing that game, Dave, I think it's more a realisation that things can change rather more dramatically than we've been used to for a decade or more.
Dave Lynch
85 Posted 09/03/2016 at 12:33:30
I still nominate Hoddle Jim.
Jim Lloyd
86 Posted 09/03/2016 at 12:34:46
Haha, we'd have a direct link to some powerful support Dave!
Colin Glassar
87 Posted 09/03/2016 at 12:41:56
I'm a big Hoddle fan as well...
Dave Lynch
88 Posted 09/03/2016 at 12:48:09
Maybe God will smile upon us in the derbies then Jim.

I believe he and Satan don't get along to well.

Chris Leyland
89 Posted 09/03/2016 at 12:54:45
I don't gethow Hoddle would be at all suitable and a move forward in an way.

He has not been a manager since 2006.

His win rate at club level is 38% compared to Martinez' 40% and Moyes 44%

Jim Lloyd
90 Posted 09/03/2016 at 12:56:47
Heehee! A little bit off the topic here, but if I look down our street I can see two giant red eyes over Anfield, Dave, I'm sure it's the horned one looking after his own! So things'd even up. That's two votes for the visionary then Colin, well make that three now!

What I'm really pleased about, is this investment looks to be real, proper and promises us a bit opf hope. For a while I feared it was going to Fortress Sports mark two!

Being an eternal optimist, as well as daft, I think we're going to finally start to see EFC begin to go back to where we once was. At or around the top consistently

Jon Withey
91 Posted 09/03/2016 at 13:05:17
No point swapping Martinez for a caretaker – need to identify who would be better and wait for that.

Even looking at the Premier League, the only realistic improvements we might want/attract would be Bilic or Ranieri – and I'm not even sure on those potential one season wonders.

I don't think Hiddink could be arsed with full-time management.

Dave Lynch
92 Posted 09/03/2016 at 13:06:36
Statistics eh! Chris.

You couldn't make them up if you tried. Hoddles win ratio means nothing as it contains his time as England manager.

Ste Traverse
94 Posted 09/03/2016 at 13:30:27
It will never happen but I'd have no qualms in seeing Rafa in situ at Goodison. He'd have us more organised than the current Joker, that's for certain.

No doubt opponents of him will remind us Benitez slagged us off once, big deal, don't we slag them off all the time? Let's not be hypocritical.

Whatever happens, change is much needed. The current incumbent has totally lost the plot. Even an FA Cup win shouldn't save him.

Get rid.

Chris Leyland
95 Posted 09/03/2016 at 13:35:49
Dave - If you re-read my post, you will note that I said his 'win rate at club level' i.e. I excluded his England manager stats.

Here's some other stats for you to ignore when assessing the suitability of your man. His final league positions when managing in the top flight:

14th, 13th, 14th, 10th, 9th, 10th

So aside from not having managed for 10 years, a poor win rate as a manager, mid to lower league finishes every year as a top flight manager and never winning anything as a manager, I can see no reason why he isn't the ideal man to take us to the next level.

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Jim Lloyd
96 Posted 09/03/2016 at 13:36:44
Chris, I don't think that the suggestion of Hoddle was made with serious intent. It's just the thought of all this dosh that's gone to our heads.
Matthew Roberts
97 Posted 09/03/2016 at 13:44:26
On the new manager topic, I'd go for Eddie Howe. He is an Everton fan and has Bournemouth playing well.
Dave Lynch
98 Posted 09/03/2016 at 13:58:29
Chris.
Apologies for the misinterpretation but my suggestion was tongue in cheek.

Rafa is a good shout though, imagine the kopites if we walloped them with their old gaffa... Priceless.

Colin Glassar
99 Posted 09/03/2016 at 13:59:12
Too green Matthew and his teams are wide open as well. Easy on the eye but weak mentally. He might be a good shout to be Martinez's assistant who could take over if the 'Phenomenal One' continues to stutter.

If this Moshiri fella is really serious about taking us to another level then I think he'll be looking for a very high profile manager, with a winning track record. I just hope to god it isn't a Mourinho or Pellegrini who are only interested in having a team of galacticos and untold millions to spend. We need a manager with a long term vision who will promote youth, not some 'Jose will fix it' character.

Nicky Styles
100 Posted 09/03/2016 at 14:00:36
Ian Price, spot on comment!
Dave Lynch
101 Posted 09/03/2016 at 14:07:26
Matty.

I personally reckon that would be suicide. Howe is a lovely lad but untried in the pressure cooker.

The only expectation the cherries have of him is to keep them up. I would much rather have a tried and tested European manager, one who knows how to grind out results.

Howe has an attacking philosophy and their defence is as rubbish as ours, they too ship a lot of goals.

Simione may be one option but I think we'd have to kidnap his family for him to come to us.

Jim Lloyd
102 Posted 09/03/2016 at 14:07:40
It's got to be a top class manager if Martinez is to be replaced. I agree with Colin here, that it is preferable to have a manager who doesn't just buy his way to success.

Rather a mixture of buying good players, as and when necessary, but also getting the best out of the players we have. Yep, the acadamy is also a vital part of the set up, as we want to be encouraging top young talent to play for us, well into the future.

Andrew Ellams
103 Posted 09/03/2016 at 14:16:44
The very top managers these days specialise in massaging the egos of Galactico type players and I think that's why Pellegrini seemed to struggle more at Man City and Real but flourished more at Malaga and Villarreal, clubs a bit more akin to Everton. I think he'd be a decent call.
Colin Glassar
104 Posted 09/03/2016 at 14:22:57
Diego Simeone, Jim? Promotes young Spanish players into his teams and scours the world for absolute bargains e.g. Aguero and Costa.

It would be difficult, if not impossible, to get him but, apparently, he has said he'd like to coach in the prem and he's learning English as well. He likes to have complete control of team affairs and he likes to wheel and deal and is not afraid of losing players if he can get better ones in return.

Personally, I don't lke him for getting Beckham sent off in '98 and for being a dirty sod of a player but he doesn't take any crap from his players and gets 110% out of them. If we got Simeone players would be falling over themselves to play for him and that includes Lukaku and Stonesy (not to sure about Gerri though).

Jim Knightley
105 Posted 09/03/2016 at 14:25:54
Why does Martinez need to be replaced by a top class manager when he is so woefully underperforming? Our league season is barely better than Newcastle's or Norwich's, but our illusionary attacking football, young players and distance from the relegation zone have cushioned him from the pressure and imminent sacking reports effecting lower positioned teams. We shouldn't replace him with Pellegrini, as anyone who has paid attention to City recently will see that they have exactly the same problems we have, albeit with a bigger and better squad and on a grander scale. Pellegrini has brought the wrong CMs time and time again, has installed no defensive discipline, and their season is summed up by Yaya walking around the centre of the park and occasionally putting a shot into the top corner.

My favourite is Eddie Howe. Unlike Martinez, he has demonstrated an ability to change his philosophy to survive. He has installed a wonderful style of football and brought in people from the cold when needed. Despite bad injuries he has reinvigorated the side after a poor start, and the form of Stanislas and Smith among others have demonstrated his ability to get the best out of limited players. I'd take him in a minute and he can bring Arter and a fit Wilson with him.

2 years of this rubbish is too long. I'm all for patience, but unless Martinez turns around our home form, wins the vast majority of our last 9 games, and wins the FA Cup, he should go. It's unbelievable that we are so far off the pace in view of our talent, our lack of European football, and the poor standard of the 'big' teams this year.

Dave Lynch
106 Posted 09/03/2016 at 14:30:36
Colin.

Should we form the kidnap party next week? I've got a few days off work.

Colin Glassar
107 Posted 09/03/2016 at 14:33:52
Sounds like a plan Jim. Madrid is nice this time of year as well.
Jim Potter
108 Posted 09/03/2016 at 14:35:26
To me there is zero chance of Mr M coming in on day one and sacking Martinez. It would appear to be too autocratic and have meeker fans quivering in their open toed sandals about a demonical despot having arrived.

It would also be way too divisive with Kenwright.

He's a successful businessman. He'll weigh it all up whilst getting his feet under the table. He won't be courting controversy on day one. If he did I'd be worried if we had the right guy.

It ain't happening boys.

It will be post season if at all.

And some of the suggestions for the newly annointed saviour truly scare me. If the fans are fractured now - and if he is sacked - I shudder at the fallout coming from these pages at whoever is chosen next.

5% - he was always my first choice.
20% - he was in my top 3.
50% - not my choice at all but I wish him well.
22% - this is a frigging disaster we should have stayed with RM.
1% - I'm off to potting shed. I think I left it loaded.
1% - who is he?
1% - pencils up nose. Check. Undies on head. Check. Dwibble!

..... and so the wheel will turn yet again ...

Jim Lloyd
109 Posted 09/03/2016 at 14:40:32
Well Colin, I've just had a quick look on Wikipedia, he seems to have a decent pedigree, is young and has some fire in his belly. He's been quite successful too, in a country where there are two giants, so why not.

It shows there are top class managers out there and It would be great if we could get a manager who could bring us up to become a regular top six team.

Yeah, it would be important that our young top players would want to play for him, as well as attracting good players from elsewhere.

I don't think Roberto is the complete manager and I don't think now he ever will be, which is a shame as he has some great points.

Mind you, if we are going to mix it with the best, then we have to live up to our motto in all aspects of the club, starting with the Manager.

I think Beckham was a bit of a tit though, in that match.

Ray Smith
110 Posted 09/03/2016 at 14:45:37
Simeone would be good.

If he is learning English, is he already lined up?

Jim Lloyd
111 Posted 09/03/2016 at 14:46:46
I'll come, Dave, got me pension book so we ain't short of a few bob.
John Jones
112 Posted 09/03/2016 at 14:47:07
Pellegrini didn't have big bucks at Malaga or Villarreal and has gotten the Real Madrid and Man City jobs on the back of the work he did there.

If anything he seems to struggle when he has more cash and players are imposed upon him.

He a good shout to steadily take us up the league for the next 3-4 seasons as we improve infrastructure off the pitch.

Moshiri isn't gonna just rock up and we shoot up the league overnight. There's so much wrong off the pitch that having a safe pair of hands on it would make sense for the short term. Or at least until Pep is looking for his next project!

Jack Mason
113 Posted 09/03/2016 at 15:09:04
I understand the aversion to Mourinho. We need a proven winner with a track record to match. Somebody who has a winning mentality and can instill that throughout the club. Like him or loath him. Mourinho fits the bill. But there are others.

All I'd ask is that we consider managers who have a track record of success. Not potential or what could be. Proven winners. The landscape has changed at Everton. Our next appointment should reflect this new reality.

Jim Lloyd
114 Posted 09/03/2016 at 15:14:37
Well Jim, I think we will have to have someone who a) will give us consistently better results that we're getting now, b) will keep our best players who might well want to get off to C/L teams and, c) will attract good quality players who, all things being equal, would rather go to a successful, or "upwardly mobile" club. Rather than one who is managed by a decent young man but with very little history in managing a club with more ambition than Bournemouth.

That's knocking Bournemouth at all, I like their club but I think they will be happy just staying in the Premier League. Above all, I wouldn't like to see us as we are now, in two years time, desperately searching for a manager who can bring us more than we're getting now.

I don't expect that we would get instant results, all I would want to see is that we get more out of the players we have now, while steadily building the quality of the squad up, while the other aspects that need attending to ie the Stadium, our retail and sponsors portfolio and all the rest that needs attending to.

My view is, if we dismiss Martinez we want as much of a guarantee as can be had, in the mad world of football, that the manager is the best we can buy.

I think it would be disastrous if the club replaced Martinez and then found itself no better off than it is now.

Martin Mason
115 Posted 09/03/2016 at 15:14:47
The problem about taking on a manager is that it's a complete lottery with no possible guarantee even if you pay massive amounts. Proven winners at the highest level are very expensive, many have had success with one side and couldn't develop another (Revie?), some have had success followed by massive failures (Kendall?), some have been on the verge of an ignominious sacking only then to come good (Kendall, Ferguson). They wouldn't get 4 years to come good now because of the expectations of modern fans.

I don't want to see an old man coming to the club but a younger manager with dynamism and the ability to change. I'd love Spur's or Southampton's manager but I'm not sure we're big enough a prize to attract them. We must also make sure we get the right calibre of backroom staff even not allowing a clown like RM bring his own performing clowns in. I really fancy us getting Eddie Howe, he has done fantastically well at Bournemouth.

We mustn't go for proven failures that have been around the block like Pardew or McLaren and I believe that we mustn't give any thought to taking Moyes back. We shouldn't promote from within because they are tainted by RM. I'd prefer a British manager too.

Ray Robinson
116 Posted 09/03/2016 at 15:24:27
Sorry folks. when it comes to Everton, I do not have an inferiority complex but, honestly, some of the names being bandied around on here as potential successor to Martinez are quite frankly ludicrous.

Proven names only operate with Champions League teams (with the notable exception of Klopp and he sees Liverpool as a global-brand, sleeping giant ready to be re-awakened). Despite the promise of some investment, we still won't operate in those circles – at least not immediately.

So be resigned to looking for a Koeman, Flores, pre-Tottenham Pochettino (the type guy who is successful with a continental club flourishing in one of the lesser leagues). Forget Mourinho (he'd waste our investment anyway by pissing off some of his signings straight away), Simeones Pochettinos(as of today). They have bigger fish to fry for now. I know we're still a big club, but sometimes some of our supporters seem as deluded as Martinez himself!

Patrick Murphy
117 Posted 09/03/2016 at 15:27:38
The truth of the matter, is that we know very little about the new guy, is he impatient? Does he really want his new club to do more than exist in the Premier League? Will he really take much notice of BK and company once the ink is dry on the documentation?.

He must be aware of the fans dissatisfaction with Roberto, if he has been involved in talks with Bill and company for the last 12 months or so. Does he intend to carry on leaving the football side of things to the manager alone?

If there is a conflict between the old guard and the new, who has the power to break the deadlock? It wouldn't take much for Mr Moshiri to buy enough shares to tip the balance in his favour.

I tend to agree that very little will happen regarding the manager's position one way or the other until the season has ended, but that doesn't mean that research on possible replacements aren't already underway, apparently Man City are already doing this for Pep's replacement in 2019.

I happen to believe that Mr Moshiri will be in sole charge by the beginning of next season and then it will be his club to do with as he sees fit, hopefully he is a good steward and Everton are successful in all aspects not least on the playing side.

Colin Glassar
118 Posted 09/03/2016 at 15:27:55
Good points Martin. Pellegrini is a good manager and did do a great job at Malaga and Villarreal but does he have that burning desire to succeed like a younger manager would? Pellegrini (like Martinez) appears to be one of the games nice guys and, like Martinez, he seems too relaxed and laid back. I don't think he has the required enthusiasm or energy to take us forward.
Raymond Fox
119 Posted 09/03/2016 at 15:28:11
Ged 83, apologies to you sir, should have read Clive 82.
Your not guilty as charged!
Alan Thompson
120 Posted 09/03/2016 at 15:40:31
Hiddink, Simeone or the fat, bald bloke who managed Real and Spain would be my preferences in that order but nothing will change until summer and not then if Kenwright has his way.

The new man/owner will concern himself firstly with the administration and then the on-field and associated problems.

Dave Lynch
121 Posted 09/03/2016 at 15:42:23
Jim@111.

Good lad, bring your bus pass, it'll save on expenses.

Phil Walling
122 Posted 09/03/2016 at 15:53:51
Amazing that the limit of so many Evertonians' ambition for the club goes no further than 'Yesterday Men' like Hoddle and Benitez. No doubt they'd welcome Curbishley and Wilkins as coaches.

If, and it's still a big if, we are to have a new man at the helm, can't we be seeking out the Koemans and the Pochettinos rather than rooting around in the managerial graveyard?

Ray Robinson
123 Posted 09/03/2016 at 16:05:50
I agree Phil. When it comes to potential new managers, lots of Evertonians are too conservative and many others plain deluded. However, Leicester struck lucky with a yesterday man didn't they?

Unless we can get an experienced, proven manager (doubtful), then maybe only way to go is to try for a promising younger manager. Of course for every Koeman and Pochettino, there is a Remi Garde. So it's all a risk - but a lot less of a risk in my opinion than staying with the current incumbent.

Jack Mason
124 Posted 09/03/2016 at 16:53:30
For those who suggest that some of the names being suggested are delusional. Who seriously thought Klopp would go to the other lot?

Moyes was the 4th highest paid manager in football. Martinez is 14th. This when we were cash strapped. So we can offer the wage.

Our club has a pedigree that few can match and still struggle to match. Of course we aren't viewed as highly as we once were but there is absolutely no reason why that cant change

Clubs with ambition frequently sack managers when they underperform. We invented it. See Carey and taxi. Just why should a club with ambition settle for underachieving?

The clubs motto is not a platitude. If you can afford the best go out and get it. There is nothing delusional about it. Backed by a billionaire investor its ok to dream again or at the very least set the bar a wee bit higher.

Jeff Armstrong
125 Posted 09/03/2016 at 17:02:57
Nigel "you looking at me?" Pearson, anyone? His team is currently top of the league, bit of a dick in interviews but so is our present manager.
He got Leicester up, and once he got his team playing well, look what's happened, oh and he knows how to organise a defence too.
Colin Glassar
126 Posted 09/03/2016 at 17:17:13
Well Phil, I've aimed high and gone for Diego Simeone. Why not reach for the stars and get the best out there? I've mentioned Hoddle as well but maybe he's been out of the game for too long.

Sanchez Flores and Koeman are two Premier League managers I hold in high esteem as well. We've got no chance as far as Poccetino goes IMO.

As for the likes of Mourinho, Pellegrini, Benitez etc.... I think they are only interested in short term deals where they can spend zillions of pounds on established superstars and then get multi million pound severance deals.

Martin Mason
127 Posted 09/03/2016 at 17:32:51
Perhaps Pearson has the touch for us. He laid the foundations for Leicester's success.
Jim Lloyd
128 Posted 09/03/2016 at 17:43:29
Dave (#121),

From nipping to Southport on Merseyrail to International Travellin Man, sounds good!

I think that Mr Moshiri will very much, keep a close eye on what happens at GP in the next couple of months. Probably he has already drawn up a short list of managers he would consider good enough for the job.

If Roberto Martinez gets us to the final and the team move up to around 6th place, then who knows, he might see the change of managership as not too pressing.

If, however, we have a few more episodes of late collapses or getting beat when we shouldn't, then I think the crowd would lose it with the current manager and there'd be almost certainly a change of managers before the next season starts.


Dennis Ng
129 Posted 09/03/2016 at 17:44:45
Alan, you mean Marquis Vicente Del Bosque. Yes having spanish royalty in our ranks would be nice, and I rate him pretty highly, but surely he's another short term fix if we can get him. Agree with you on the choices with Simeone being top choice (and most difficult to get), Hiidink next. Koeman, Garcia, Flores can be next options.

Greg 69, thanks for the info. I couldn't figure out Koeman's stinker at Valencia but seems that he is doing OK now. Perhaps a few lessons learned?

Colin, I think Poch is a given to stay at Spurs or to go to Barca/Real some day. We definitely missed the chance with him.

Martin Mason
130 Posted 09/03/2016 at 18:03:46
Colin, I'd really hate to see Everton managed like that and with that type of players. I'd like to see us do it unfashionably and the Everton Way – not the franchised club way.

The squad we have now has the basis to become a top team and it may not need wholesale stripping and replacing. The most important thing that a club and its manager can do is develop its own players. Man Utd found that once and they're finding it again now.

The burning question is how do you stumble across another Pochetino?

Ste Traverse
131 Posted 09/03/2016 at 18:07:11
Simeone??? Now THAT is delusional.

Why would he leave a club second in La Liga for us, a bottom-half Premier League (not 'Premiership') outfit?

You need Champions League football to attract these kind of names.

Peter Bell
132 Posted 09/03/2016 at 18:15:43
Martin @130
"The burning question is how do you stumble across another Pochetino?"

Can someone tell me what is the fascination with this guy?

In 7 years as a manager, he has been sacked by Espanyol, won nothing at Southampton, and currently won nothing at Tottenham. He has done as much in 7 years as the clown we have in his 7 years in the Premier League.
And now people are saying he is destined for Barca or Real Madrid.

Jack Mason
133 Posted 09/03/2016 at 18:18:06
Simeone might not be available which is fair enough but were our neighbors in the Champions League when Klopp went there?
Patrick Murphy
134 Posted 09/03/2016 at 18:20:53
It's funny but the guy who is in charge of the current league leaders is doing it with an old-fashioned British style of play, perhaps it was because that is how Ranieri remembered other 'lesser' clubs playing in that style a decade ago when he was in charge of Chelsea. I would happily have anybody who could instil the work ethic shown by Leicester City, but unfortunately hard work is a dirty word to many would be superstars.
Ray Robinson
135 Posted 09/03/2016 at 18:24:44
No, Jack but like it or not Liverpool FC is still a global brand that many believe should be / will be back in their "rightful" place soon. We do not have that appeal I'm afraid. If we did, we'd have been invited to that recent meeting at the Dorchester.
Ray Said
136 Posted 09/03/2016 at 18:25:11
Do we need a manager in the mould of Wenger who can shape the whole club or a manager/coach who looks after the playing side and leaves things like youth development to a head of football?

I would like to see separation of powers with the clubs development including a distinct style of play allied to youth development separated from the first team. This would mean the board have to do a bit of work and set out an identity for the club and its playing style, the juniors then are taught how to play the Everton way and we then recruit a manager/coach who has a proven reputation for playing the style we want.

This means we don't flip flop the recruitment of players every time we change managers from Moyes with his over recruitment of right backs to Martinez with his over recruitment of attacking mids. I know clubs like Newcastle have tried this although in their usual half arsed way but clubs like Barcelona, A Madrid and Juventus have done it and done it well.

Jack Mason
137 Posted 09/03/2016 at 18:32:02
You're right Ray I don't like it and I haven't liked it for over thirty years. That doesn't mean I don't recognise how they did it. Ray like it not there's a reason they got were they did. A winning mentality right through the club. Its about time we returned to it.
Richard Dodd
138 Posted 09/03/2016 at 18:55:56
I somehow suspect that whoever chooses our next manager (ONM, anybody?), will neither be consulting ToffeeWebbers nor taking cognizance of the treasure trove of advice appearing in this thread.

However, I do so hope that the search for the new man is carried out thoroughly and in a professional manner rather than via the 'old boys network' Mr Kenwright has favored in the past.

Moving away from personnel matters, can I expand on that request to plead that henceforth all the Club's dealings are conducted in a manner befitting one of the greatest football institutions in the world and that a way will be found to inform and include all those of us who wish only goodwill towards it.

When (and if) short term and long term plans are put in place, can we please hope that our new 'controller' will be able to convince his boardroom colleagues that sharing these plans and goals honestly with us mere mortals will have only the effect on ensuring old fractures are healed and that the future is a good one.

Michael Winstanley
139 Posted 09/03/2016 at 19:11:38
I think Jose will go to Man Utd and fail massively. Koeman won't leave Southampton for us. Simeone? No way he'd come to us.

I believe the Premier League will be the league to manage in with Pep, Jose and Klopp competing with each other plus Wenger and whoever Cheslea get. I don't watch European footie so I have no idea who's out there but there will be top coaches who will see us as a favourable move.

Would the chap from Sevilla fancy us? Or the fella at Dortmund?

Chris Leyland
140 Posted 09/03/2016 at 19:52:27
If we want to be big we have to think big. So, why not Mourinho?

If Man Utd don't want him then where else can he go next season as the so-called 'elite' clubs are all boxed-off with managers throughout Europe with the exception of Chelsea and he ain't going back there.

I don't care if he is a tit because he is a successful tit.
66% win rate over his entire career.
8 league titles, 2 Champions Leagues, 1 Europa League, 7 domestic cups and 3 European super cups as a manager.

We can still be nice little Everton with their average run of the mill manager or we can be big-thinking, ambitious Everton who have made a statement of their intent.

Phil Walling
141 Posted 09/03/2016 at 20:02:19
Hey, Chris, just think of all those jackets being flung into the crowd and the medals will go with them when we've won one or two !

The only people who would be shitting themselves would be the doctor and physios and, I suspect a few of less professional professionals.

Colin Glassar
142 Posted 09/03/2016 at 20:04:10
Money Ste? We can offer the type of wages that I doubt A Madrid can pay Simeone as, despite their success, they are quite a humble side since Gil left.

Show him our ambition and then offer him a big deal and who knows? It's all up to Mr Moshiri anyway but I wouldn't be surprised if he's already made up his mind on who is manager is going to be.

Colin Glassar
143 Posted 09/03/2016 at 20:09:23
As an aside, anyone else enjoy the LVG put down of the rs? Despite the journos, and Sky's, insistence LVG said they were a nothing team who had success 20 years ago.

Poor Sky, they've got all their hopes attached to Klopp reviving the stiffs.

Jack Mason
144 Posted 09/03/2016 at 20:42:26
@ 139 Michael. Unai Emery at Sevilla and Thomas Tuchel at Dortmund.
Emery led Valencia to three third place finishes and two Europa cup wins with Sevilla. Excellent choice.

Tuchel's record at Dortmund, won 31, drawn 5, lost 5. 75% win ratio. Definitely worth having a look at but considering his short time there, might be hard to get. Regardless these are the type of managers we should be looking at.

Dennis Ng
145 Posted 09/03/2016 at 20:50:50
Jack 144, Good shout out on Emery.
Greg Hunt
146 Posted 09/03/2016 at 21:01:22
Emery's another ex-Valencia manager. Generally did pretty well there without ever threatening the top two, but I know a few Valencia season-ticket holders who say the football they played during that period had them bored senseless. I don't think Deulofeu will be hanging round if he were to come either.
Harold Matthews
147 Posted 09/03/2016 at 21:07:26
I'll take anyone who can get all 10 outfield players to put a full shift in.
Andy Crooks
148 Posted 09/03/2016 at 21:07:36
Richard, good to see you back, please keep posting. Your last one is pure gold. Is pixie dust now on draught at the Freshy.

Sean Dyche for me.

Dennis Ng
149 Posted 09/03/2016 at 21:11:52
Harold, looks like we need one of those who can dish out a hairdryer every other day.
Brian Wilkinson
150 Posted 09/03/2016 at 21:12:06
Think I would prefer Unsworth short term than big Dunc, seems to be doing alright with the youngsters.

After the diabolicle sub of removing a midfielder for a forward when 2 nil up and a player down, the sooner Bobby is gone the better.

Happening too often now from winning positions.

Colin Glassar
151 Posted 09/03/2016 at 21:12:36
I think our players would be on strike after a week if Emery was the gaffer. He's a bad tempered, control freak who takes no prisoners. On second thoughts......
Michael Penley
153 Posted 09/03/2016 at 21:31:46
What's this "too old" nonsense for Pellegrini people are talking about? Is the two year older Ranieri too old? People ARE aware that the coach doesn't have to run around at Finch Farm, aren't they? They are there to tell others to do that.
Martin Mason
154 Posted 09/03/2016 at 21:51:21
Peter, it matters not what he's done badly in the past as a young manager only the good things he's done at Spurs and Tottenham. Of course he hasn't won anything with them but just look at how they have been playing and where they are in the Premier League. His improvement shows he's learned and that is the best quality of all.
Jack Mason
155 Posted 09/03/2016 at 22:08:18
Dennis, Emery's shout out was from Michael @ 139. Definitely think he should be a candidate though. Here's some more shout outs from posters.

Eddy Howe: Besides a brief stint at Burnley. Took Bournemouth out of league two to the premier league. No mean feat. Averaging almost a 50% win ratio. His record is played 366, won 173, drawn 77, lost 116. including his time at Burnley. I can see why people would consider him. He's still unproven at this level but at 38 he has time on his side.

Sean Dyche: After a brief stint at Watford he followed in Eddy Howe's footsteps and took over Burnley and got them promoted to the premier league, setting various club records along the way. Although relegated the following year they currently sit top of the league and look destined to head straight back up. Strange how he had the balls and honor to go down with his club and then the grit and determination to attempt to bring them back up. So for that he gets my kudos. His overall record including his time at Watford is Played 214, Won 85, Drawn 67 and Lost 62. With a win ratio of 39.7 %. Dyche also has time on his side at 44.

Martin Mason
157 Posted 09/03/2016 at 22:21:49
Again, don't get excited. If Moshiri is smart, he'll be hands off for the initial period and will learn from the present board as he has no experience of running a club. It's up to BK to sack Martinez and up to us to make sure that he get's the picture.

The only problem is that BK may be ill at the moment and he may not be in a position to make big decisions like this. I'd say that a move before the season ends is very unlikely. The conundrum is how to register displeasure at the ground without causing players to lose confidence or to make us as fans look ridiculous like airplanes towing banners or like the Arsenal fans up at Hull last night.

We must support the team when they play, we must encourage them and forgive mistakes at the time because we can't influence what is happening, we must be the 12th man we've always been until recently. Afterwards we can analyse and make our feelings known but I think fans now are part of the problem not the solution because they have irrational expectations.

The major question that has to be resolved now is that as Clubs have transitioned to PLCs and fans been relegated to customer status what can we do as fans to influence club affairs. Legally we have no right to demand anything especially change of manager.

I think BK stopped any real relationship with fans when he was ambushed in the Car Park and asked "Where's the money gone Bill?"

Jack Mason
158 Posted 09/03/2016 at 23:18:49
I don't think we're going to see any 'Martinez Out' banners anytime soon. Besides I still maintain he was hired to win a cup and as he's on target for that, I can't see the board making any decision while we still have a chance.

I'm predicting a win on Saturday and our supporters will put aside any feelings they have for the manager and cheer the team on. I really can't accept we are part of the problem.

Dennis Ng
159 Posted 10/03/2016 at 00:10:58
Jack, I've not watched Bournemouth much but I agree Howe is "possible". Many don't consider that they are doing pretty well this season considering they lost some of their key players to season ending injuries. Great notes on Emery either way from yourself or Michael @ 139. I think salary wise we can attract him and hopefully for a long term project. He has won 2 Europa.

Martin, I'm sure BK hears us. He made Moshiri's takeover happen without selling out, even when he is sick, assuming. He is still on the cards and I'm sure Moshiri will remind him if BK's not making any noise about this debacle.

Jack Mason
160 Posted 10/03/2016 at 01:42:38
I think that's an important point Dennis about being heard. I sense a change, can't quite put my finger on it. But with any luck we might start to see a convergence of where we would like to go as fans and the direction the board want to take. Maybe it's the huge influx of cash available and to be made. Who knows? What I do believe to be vital is, now as fans we must start the narrative. We're never all gonna agree, like herding cats really. But what we can all agree on is that we want Everton to be successful and to start competing again in the league.

Here's a couple more shout outs from posters.

Marcelo Bielsa: Previously national team manager of Argentina and Chile, domestic league experience includes Athletic Bilbao, who he took to the Europa league finals and Marseilles amongst others. Currently unemployed. Both Guardiola and Pochettino cite the formidable Bielsa as a major influence. With just under a 50% win record for the above mentioned teams, his record is Played 282, Won 137, Drawn 65, Lost 80.

Vitor Pereira: Already interviewed for the Everton job, (who was my choice incidentally before they hired Martinez). Pereira took over Porto after Villas Boas left for Chelsea. Won the Portuguese title at the first attempt and the following year too, as well as domestic cup winners. At Olympiacos he achieved the same feat, winning the double, in 2014-15. Now at Fenerbahïe, his overall record is:

Played 266, Won 158, Drawn 64, Lost 44 with a win ratio of 59.40%.


Laurie Hartley
161 Posted 10/03/2016 at 06:55:17
Good on you Harold # 147 - me too.
Paul Andrews
162 Posted 10/03/2016 at 08:25:36
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3484616/How-suits-paid-Sportsmail-reveals-earning-chiefs-Premier-League-club.html


Unspecified Everton Director paid £360,000. Last financial year.

Who could that be?

Anthony Dwyer
163 Posted 10/03/2016 at 09:21:26
Don Alexander @54.

Please read my post again and see if you can relay to me, were I called Duncan Ferguson a legend.

You won't find it.

Also I stated clearly he was not suitable for the job of Everton manager long term.

What I did say, and stand by is ANYONE who can gee the players up by raising moral is worth a punt until the end of the season.

If we are to look at a new manager, I'd personally jump in with both feet and offer Mourinho what ever he wanted to manage us.

I've read the pros and cons of this move, but I can't help but feel it may bigger pros than cons.

If we ask him and he says no, then we are proven to be seeking the right standard of manager. This does a number of good things, it shows the players, fans and potential future transfers, that we are a serious force.

If he says yes, it will ensure we can keep our stars, we will have a manager with a proven track record of trophy winning, and it will also allow us as fans to believe in our new regime.

Even if it's only a 3-year deal, that's all that we need, we will probably landed silver wear if his record is continued, we will have massively raised the profile of the club too, it's a no-brainer.

Look around Europe, no big clubs appear to be ready to change manager, and with our new owner, we look like an exciting project.

Let's think big and go for it is my opinion.

Alan Thompson
164 Posted 10/03/2016 at 15:33:38
Dennis(129); That's him but my grass roots upbringing probably still prefers the fat, bald bloke.

And Ste(131); someone beat me to it but it could all be down to "Show me the money"!

David Pearl
165 Posted 10/03/2016 at 16:53:32
If Martinez goes I'd put my Bentley on a Moyes will return if available. The second coming for the Moyesiah (I still have the t-shirt).

Howe? Not a big enough name or experienced enough by a long shot. The Premier League is different beast nowadays – even in the last couple of years.

Mourinho? Let Lukaku go, let De Bruyne go, Eva fiasco, plays boring crap, has only worked at money rich clubs already in the top 2 of their league, and really... he took the same players (mainly their prime) from champions to near the bottom of the table – and that takes some talent, to lose those players?

However, I doubt RM will be going anywhere so long as he retains the players.

Brent Stephens
166 Posted 10/03/2016 at 17:14:30
David "If Martinez goes I'd put my Bentley on a Moyes will return if available. The second coming for the Moyesiah".

Nailed on.

Dave Lynch
167 Posted 10/03/2016 at 17:34:08
If Moyes returns I am resigning as an Evertonian.

I will have nothing to do with football ever again and will start to follow netball or something.

The ginger one returning is unthinkable in my mind.

Eugene Ruane
168 Posted 10/03/2016 at 17:36:15
'If Martinez goes I'd put my Bentley on a Moyes will return if available.'

Hope Nick Entwistle didn't read that anywhere public (that sentence is a nap to have him spoffing 'tattie-water' into his bills).

Dennis Ng
169 Posted 10/03/2016 at 18:05:37
OFM is given the highest odds at the moment. Of course, they didn't think we'll have a takeover either.
Paul Andrews
170 Posted 10/03/2016 at 18:09:48
If our former manager gets a recall, I will jump under the Bentley.
Dave Lynch
171 Posted 10/03/2016 at 19:15:22
I was dead serious by the way. No way will I follow Everton again if that back stabbing, whinging, dour, clueless, surrender monkey of an excuse of a manager ever gets the job again.
Colin Glassar
172 Posted 10/03/2016 at 19:45:37
If HE comes back I will follow Dave Lynch into the Mersey weighed down with heavy chains!!
Jack Mason
173 Posted 10/03/2016 at 20:42:15
I'm with you, cement shoes for me.
Jack Mason
174 Posted 10/03/2016 at 20:53:02
I'm going to leave this here.

Link

Disclaimer.

It's dreamland, speculation, without foundation, probably nonsense.

Michael Kenrick
175 Posted 11/03/2016 at 05:10:30
Paul Andrews,

I vaguely recall that Elstone had been promoted to the Board of Directors. I'd guess it's his salary.

Accounts for Last Financial Year under Note 7, Particulars of Employees, show Directors' "Emoluments" (Isn't that something you apply for a chest infection?) were 𧸪k in 2014-15..... and 𧸖k in 2013-14.

So no big deal.

Paul Andrews
176 Posted 11/03/2016 at 05:58:41
I wasn't aware that Elstone was a director Michael.
I read his profile on the OS there was no mention of it there.

Perhaps it's a recent thing and the profile hasn't been updated.

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