Koeman announcement likely delayed until next week

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Everton's confirmation of Ronald Koeman's arrival as Roberto Martinez's successor has reportedly been pushed back until early next week.

All indications were that the announcement that the Dutchman would be taking over as the club's next manager would be made by today but the Liverpool Echo report that "practical issues" have delayed the rubber-stamping of the deal to bring him in from Southampton.

Koeman is on a pre-planned post-season holiday and had flown back to England to complete negotiations with the Blues last week but the Echo cite logistical problems with him being away as being impediments to everything being completely signed and sealed.

Everton are believed to have reached a settlement with Southampton of £5m to release Koeman from the final 12 months of his contract on the south coast and bring his brother and assistant manager Erwin plus first team fitness coach Jan Kluitenberg with him.

Goalkeeping coach David Watson looks likely to stay with Southampton, however. Finalising the details of those appointments is believed to have been one of the hold-ups due to personnel being on post-season breaks.  


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Peter Morris
1 Posted 09/06/2016 at 15:31:58
Well of course all of this might be perfectly true and nothing to be concerned about, but that said, I can't think of another example of such a protracted appointment in recent PL history. In any event, whatever the reason, there's certainly no going back to Southampton for the Koeman brothers! I think there's a contract our on them down there, going by the reaction to these events on social media.
Brian Cleveland
2 Posted 09/06/2016 at 15:32:55
Taxi for Mr. Koeman please!
Alec Smith
5 Posted 09/06/2016 at 15:38:22
We could of had our shiny new stadium built by now.

I've lost interest in this now. Koemans our new manager is old news. I want to see Architect impressions of the new dockside stadium. And who our GALACTICO signings are going to be this summer.....Messi.........Neymar

David Booth
6 Posted 09/06/2016 at 15:38:59
Days after our re-affirmation as a club rightly to be reckoned with, would it not be THE most embarrassing scenario EVER if this all fell through?

I'm all for taking the requisite amount of time to do things properly, but this is getting a tad worrying now?

I desperately hope my creeping cynicism proves ill-founded...

David Chait
7 Posted 09/06/2016 at 15:42:12
The conspiracy theorists have keyboard ready!
Jackie Barry
8 Posted 09/06/2016 at 15:44:46
Oh dear
Paul Nicholls
9 Posted 09/06/2016 at 15:45:21
Alec, forget about Galacticos, we've just given Gibson a new 2 year contract. Jesus wept.
Liam Reilly
10 Posted 09/06/2016 at 15:46:37
If Moshiri wasn't leading this, I'd be a lot more concerned; but this is Everton and we certainly have form for fucking it up royally during the last furlong.

Let's hope we haven't been talking to someone in a Manchester flat.

Anto Byrne
11 Posted 09/06/2016 at 15:47:59
Done deal; chill out and watch the Euros.
Raymond Fox
12 Posted 09/06/2016 at 16:00:10
There must be a serious sticking point somewhere, someone digging their heels in.
Tony Black
15 Posted 09/06/2016 at 16:07:48
Paul Nicholls (comment 9) - I'm surprised by Gibson's new contract as well, but have to say that he was our best player when I attended the Bournemouth game at Goodison toward the end of the season. Pinging them all round the park he was - 30, 40, 50 yards.

A frustrating glimpse of the player he could be if he stayed focus and injury-free.

Simon Lloyd
16 Posted 09/06/2016 at 16:08:13
Are they just waiting for him to come back from his jollies?
Jack Convery
17 Posted 09/06/2016 at 16:09:12
Has he gone to get his wife's approval ?
Thomas Surgenor
18 Posted 09/06/2016 at 16:10:52
Why pay him while he is on his holidays?
Let the man relax and mentally prepare for the challenge ahead.

If it's all agreed in principle, then I'm happy for it to be made official the week before the first team get back for pre season.

We can't officially sign any players until July 1st anyway.

Richard Dodd
19 Posted 09/06/2016 at 16:15:36
Not exactly rushing to get here, is he? If this is the speed at which our new benefactor works then we can expect to move into our shiny new stadium in the second half of the century.

Can't say I'm impressed by this 'brave new world' – it seems very much like the old one!

Dave Lawley
21 Posted 09/06/2016 at 16:21:06
Only Everton could suck all the excitement out of the appointment of the man to supposedly lead us to a new shiny dawn of cash splashing success.

Monday, 15:00, Finch farm, Breaking news, Everton sign RK as their new manager!

ME: meh........
Steve Bingham
22 Posted 09/06/2016 at 16:24:26
Hmmmm! I hope that's all it is ?
Kim Vivian
23 Posted 09/06/2016 at 16:26:25
Relax guys. It'll happen...

... but it is a bit like waiting for that verbally confirmed big sales order to get signed off. The old brain cells create all sorts of negative scenarios.

Phil Walling
24 Posted 09/06/2016 at 16:28:51
Maybe' the brother is staying' story had some legs, after all ?
Matthew Williams
25 Posted 09/06/2016 at 16:32:38
Even now I still want De Boer. We have just had our worst season in living memory and Southampton failed to beat a piss poor Blues team twice. Doesn't bode well like!
Brian Murphy
26 Posted 09/06/2016 at 16:44:14
I would look at the Gibson deal as a positive guys. Surely this contract would have been sanctioned by the New manager coming in and Gibson is part of his plans, if not the signing makes no sense at all. In fairness Gibson is our best passer of the ball when fit so lets hope he gets a run with no injuries next season.

Jesus I seem to be all taken over by the new wave of positivity surrounding our club, either that or its a pink tablets.

Brian Harrison
27 Posted 09/06/2016 at 16:59:57
I see that the paranoia has kicked in already, the guy is on a planned holiday and obviously Everton want him in the country when they make the announcement. So the back pages can be full of Koeman holding the scarf in the air.
Christopher Dover
28 Posted 09/06/2016 at 17:14:02
The money these people earn mean they have the resources to take long holidays, he has had a week the one on now is his second and taking them when season finished and before new one starts, what would you prefere he comes back signs up then in a couple of weeks goes away? I doubt it so let him have his break and come back refreshed.

Also before the new stadium starts getting slagged off because it's not been built in time for the coming season on the waterfront there might be a little matter of if the owners of the land want to sell or even want a stadium there, time will tell.

David Booth
29 Posted 09/06/2016 at 17:24:37
Jesus wept: 17 habitually injury-prone games in three seasons and we give him another two years? Who the hell sanctioned that?

How many of the rest of those popularly and justifiably expected to have their services dispensed with are we going to be similarly stupid with?

Gibson can ping it as far as he likes - but it's only any good if he does it for 30-plus games a season.

Unfathomably stupid decision. We continue to be a charity for unwanted (manager's) pets it seems.

If Osman gets another two years, I'll fully expect David Moyes to be unveiled in a shower of Finch Farm confetti and fireworks next week!

Ben Dyke
30 Posted 09/06/2016 at 17:27:25
Why do people get so wound up about this? He knows he's got an offer. Everton know he accepts the offer. Everton and Southampton staff on pre planned holidays, along with said manager. Why the heck would anyone in that scenario need to not take their holidays. And no he won't get a better offer whilst he's on the beach in Thailand or wherever. Yes it's gonna feel good when its all nailed down but chill out! Most of Europe's best players are engaged in a small tournament somewhere too so no transfer activity until July. No rush guys!
Simon Smith
31 Posted 09/06/2016 at 17:27:27
The delay in the announcement will please the sky team encamped on the Goodison doorstep as they know what a good weekend is to be had in Liverpool! !
Adam Gough
32 Posted 09/06/2016 at 17:29:42
Delayed to announce the joint appointment of Koeman and Monchi perhaps?
Eugene Ruane
33 Posted 09/06/2016 at 17:34:00
Jack (17) - 'Has he gone to get his wife's approval?'

In football circles known as 'doing an Unsworth.'

Jim Burns
34 Posted 09/06/2016 at 17:36:28
Frustrating ? - yes - we want the sun up on a new dawn now . Worrying ? - not at all - obviously due to him being away. I say its obvious because that's what is being reported, and there is no reason at all to disbelieve it.......except that this is Everton, and we are still trying to shake off the years of pessimism and self doubt.

Turn the laptops and tablets off for the weekend folks - kick back with a few cold ones and wake up to the dawn of a new era next week - nearly there, fret not.

Mike Dolan
35 Posted 09/06/2016 at 17:40:16
No panic he'll sign in good time. The delay understandable being he is half a world away. Also they probably want to announce a director of football at the same time.
Jay Harris
36 Posted 09/06/2016 at 17:40:20
Looking at it positively the club may want to make the most of the media opportunity and may even surprise us with Monchi in addition.

or it could just be that the wheeling and dealing has been done and the big fish are taking a break while the minnows cross the i's and dot the t's.

Rome was not built in a day and hopefully that is the standard we are aiming for.

We have waited and suffered mediocrity for 16 years a little bit more patience and less paranoia would go a long way.

James Morgan
37 Posted 09/06/2016 at 17:50:24
Brian Murphy,

I work with your namesake who is also a blue. Maybe all Brian Murphys are blues.

Gordon Crawford
38 Posted 09/06/2016 at 17:53:14
He has been taken by Aliens, you heard if here first. They are planning to who clone him and send back the clone instead. Lol
Tony Sullivan
39 Posted 09/06/2016 at 17:53:18
Raymond Fox (12)
Why?
Mick Davies
40 Posted 09/06/2016 at 18:02:19
From a coup d'etat, to a Koe too far.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
Right, that's the negativity out of the way. He's in the Bahamas and will be back in time for the signing in on Monday - come on now, we put up with the last 2 years, surely we can wait a few days
Ray Roche
42 Posted 09/06/2016 at 18:02:55
Maybe they want to announce a new DOF at the same time?
Raymond Fox
43 Posted 09/06/2016 at 18:03:49
Tony, its a guess, we were led to believe that everything was agreed, so why delay it now to next week.

If he's still on holiday they could still say its finalised, and there will be a press conference when he returns to the country.

Jim Burns
44 Posted 09/06/2016 at 18:11:12
Raymond - everything we've heard says it has been agreed - its the announcement that been delayed because he's not in the country. A full and proper announcement would be with the guy in attendance and a few fireworks etc.

Lets , for once , be bloody optimistic!

Tony Sullivan
45 Posted 09/06/2016 at 18:13:53
Raymond, I think it is more likely that other Irons may be in the fire concerning a DoF appointment.
We already have Koeman it would be the icing on the cake to announce Monchi at the same time.
RK was Moshiri's first choice and he got him despite Soton opposition, up 'til now all the signs are he gets the things he wants.
Exciting isn't it?
Kristian Boyce
46 Posted 09/06/2016 at 18:17:24
The Manny Fernandes of football management?
Karl Jones
47 Posted 09/06/2016 at 18:33:04
Reading between the lines, it sounds as though another club has come in for him at the last minute. Cant blame the club though, they haven't said a word. If it falls through, there will be a lot of journalists, especially in the Echo that will look pretty stupid.
Jim Burns
48 Posted 09/06/2016 at 18:34:50
FFS enough already with the negative waves....I'm off to bury my head in the sand until next week - see you in the New World.
Lee Reynolds
49 Posted 09/06/2016 at 19:19:48
I just hope we don't sign Pelle. He would be a poor signing.
Liam Wilson
51 Posted 09/06/2016 at 19:20:11
Tony Black @15

Agree 100%. Very decent squad player with good experience. Surprised he is not gong to France with MON and the boys.

David S Kelly
53 Posted 09/06/2016 at 19:48:54
"Goalkeeping coach David Watson looks likely to stay with Southampton"

New goalkeeping coach required?

Big Nev?

Damian Wilde
54 Posted 09/06/2016 at 20:11:31
Chill out everyone, happens when it happens.

Matthew:

"Even now I still want De Boer. We have just had our worst season in living memory and Southampton failed to beat a piss poor Blues team twice. Doesn't bode well like!"

So 11th is better than 6th? I'm confused.

Could you explain why you want FdB (even though Koeman will be our manager)? You seem panicked.

John Malone
55 Posted 09/06/2016 at 20:15:51
For God's sake!!

Talk about paranoia!!

The Manny Fernandes of managers!!

The man's on his jollies after grafting all year, granted it would've been better if it was all signed done and dusted before he left but there was obviously a lot of other things to sort out and there's few job's in football that the Holland and Barca legend Koeman would postpone his all inclusive in the Caribbean for!

No one is stealing him off us it's the Moshiri era now where we are paying top dollar fot the top guy's just sit back and watch the revolution unfold!

John Malone
56 Posted 09/06/2016 at 20:15:53
For God's sake!!

Talk about paranoia!!

The Manny Fernandes of managers!!

The man's on his jollies after grafting all year, granted it would've been better if it was all signed done and dusted before he left but there was obviously a lot of other things to sort out and there's few job's in football that the Holland and Barca legend Koeman would postpone his all inclusive in the Caribbean for!

No one is stealing him off us it's the Moshiri era now where we are paying top dollar fot the top guy's just sit back and watch the revolution unfold!

Mark Melton
57 Posted 09/06/2016 at 20:21:28
What Adam (32) said.
James Royston
58 Posted 09/06/2016 at 20:26:03
Heard a few days ago that his Holiday had been broken to speak to So,ton about things and had gone back to finish his break. It could be some of the guys coming with him, who knows? What's the panic hope I am wrong but its not likely that much will happen player wise until after the Euros. Re: Gibson could it be that he could move on somewhere??? for free but under contract the club do get something for him if he does not fit in the new boss's plans. Just wait as the song goes Que Sera Sera and all the moaning on here will change nor speed up anything.
Chris James
59 Posted 09/06/2016 at 20:32:35
Peter Morris, what on earth are you talking about?
The conversation has literally been going on for a matter of days and involves payments to Southampton and multiple staff.
Compare this with the pursuit of Mourinho at Utd and it's barely noticeable.
Colin Glassar
60 Posted 09/06/2016 at 21:21:24
Thanks to the Ronald, and his hols, the live forum has been mothballed!!
Aidy Dews
61 Posted 09/06/2016 at 21:29:54
Think it makes sense to wait till he's back off of his holiday to announce him has manager. Why announce it and then him be on holiday and we can show him to the media and have to wait?!

Wait till he gets back, announce it and show him off, simples.

Tony Draper
62 Posted 09/06/2016 at 21:38:29
Well, let's please just stop flapping shall we ?

After all, Gibbo signed up for two years more treatment !
That's a good sign by any standards.

Kevin Rowlands
63 Posted 09/06/2016 at 21:50:48
Maybe it's Moshiri on his hols and he's told Bill and Robert to wrap things up........aaaaahhhhh!!!!
Raymond Fox
64 Posted 09/06/2016 at 22:00:13
Your right Colin, we need a new topic so that Damian can give his enlightened opinion on all things Everton.
Tony Draper
65 Posted 09/06/2016 at 22:02:32
Kevin @63.
Moshiri, Kenwright & Elstone.

Link

Colin Glassar
66 Posted 09/06/2016 at 22:10:27
All Brian Murphys' are blue. That's a fact.
Les Netherwood
67 Posted 09/06/2016 at 22:29:43
I wondered about the problem of him not being in attendance but there is nothing new about delays at Goodison. Think back to previous negotiations....Kings Dock fiasco for one.

We have a set of directors who seem incapable of doing anything to a conclusion ....this could all end up very badly...nothing is certain at Everton these days.

Bob Parrington
68 Posted 09/06/2016 at 22:59:29
Could it be as simple as the guy is overseas on his holiday and the contract needs his signature?........before Everton FC makes the formal announcement??
Frank Thomas
69 Posted 09/06/2016 at 23:14:42
Damian (54) what Matthew and others like me who think FDB is better than Koeman are saying is that last season was strange and we could have have won. Some teams finished higher like Southampton and WHU, due to the bad play of other teams (like us) that does not make their managers better than FDB. However only time will tell.

I will not be surprised if we finish no higher than 7th in Koemans 1st season with FDB leading Southampton to 4th and then we will look like real plonkers.

Chris Corn
70 Posted 09/06/2016 at 23:19:43
Frank 69, but he finished above us the season before as well so your argument falls down a bit.
John Pierce
71 Posted 09/06/2016 at 23:19:52
Thank god we took 4 points from Southampton or we wouldn't be in this position!
Feels like we have very dull lives and cannot find enough to do between now and Monday!

EuroChamps are on folks, take it easy! I'm on the east coast of the States have ESPN and the delight that is Roberto Martinez as an expert summeriser.....

Ferrrnominaalll Lads!

Darryl Ritchie
72 Posted 09/06/2016 at 23:37:16
At this rate, Southhampton will hire Koeman's replacement, before we hire Koeman.
Andrew Presly
73 Posted 09/06/2016 at 23:48:33
Classic EFC. We'll all have the "about time" vibe when the press conference is called. Then there'll be a late hitch. Then Moyes appears. It's coming.
Peter Keefe
74 Posted 10/06/2016 at 00:40:19
Tony @65. Nice one mate. I think we should all chill out and watch the Euros (or Drachmas if you prefer). Better still get hold of the Blackadder boxed set and forget about this drawn out saga until a formal announcement is made.
Frank Thomas
75 Posted 10/06/2016 at 00:47:26
Chris (70) you are correct but the season before Koeman took over Southampton finished in 8th position then 7th and last year 6th. We are the ones who have slipped Koeman has not created an incredible team. They have won the same number of games in both of his seasons. Any good defensive manager would take us to the 8th or 7th position with our current squad.
Paul Kelly
76 Posted 10/06/2016 at 00:49:35
The Preston Guild will come round before he signs on the dotted line!
Laurie Hartley
77 Posted 10/06/2016 at 01:03:08
Richard Dodd # 19 - your post comes across a being very anti Moshiri which I find pretty disappointing.

As far as the speed at which he moves is concerned - he sacked the manager at the first opportunity presented to him. He doesn't come across as a ditherer to me.

The winds of change are coming - we are just feeling the breeze at the moment.

I am expecting Farhad Moshiri to rebuild this club from the top down.

He has his money man in place on the board.
It seems he has "got is man in Koeman"
There is a strong suggestion that he will appoint a director of football.
The Lord Mayor of Liverpool reckons we will have a new stadium within 3 years.
He is a billionaire.

Doesn't sound very much like the "old one" (Everton world) to me.

Karl Walker
78 Posted 10/06/2016 at 01:30:43
I like to think the delays are due to some tough negotiations by Moshiri.

"Yes, Ronald, you can have £7 million. No problem. But YOU must return this, that and the other within x years. Or you DON'T get the agreed amount. You'll get the sack without severance."

Or something like that. We've all been impressed by Mr Moshiri's approach of walking softly with a big stick, but I'm sure he's a demon in the boardroom.

Everton is not a trainset to Moshiri, he's here to make big money. Although it appears he's throwing cash at Koeman just to secure him, I'm quite sure there'll be some small print in Koeman's contract that will ensure he gives the job his total focus and he'll be results driven to keep his job.

I've always found that 'shit rolls downhill'; if my big boss is an angry shouty rude arsehole, it tends to flow right through the company, be it a massive corporation or my kid's school. If the Boss is calm and thoughtful, firm but fair, it also streams down through the hierarchy.

Hopefully Moshiri's attitude will inject a similar sense of calm, concentration and ruthlessness into Ronald and it'll flow to the squad.

Martinez's head is still throbbing from the blow of Moshiri's stick. Ronald doesn't want his noggin imprinted on it anytime soon. Hence the negotiations.

COYB

Adam Gough
79 Posted 10/06/2016 at 06:11:41
Have just seen that Ronald Koeman has also just signed for the mirror newspaper to produce a regular column... not sure about that one.

A positive would be that we get more coverage unless he is going to be writing in the gardening section.

Danny O'Neill
80 Posted 10/06/2016 at 08:20:34
Looking through the back pages this morning, looks like we've been gazumped by the Mirror. He's signed for them; explains the delay.
Colin Glassar
81 Posted 10/06/2016 at 08:32:10
I wonder if he will mention us in his column, Danny?
Dennis Jones
82 Posted 10/06/2016 at 08:54:54
Re our first Galactico signings. Could we get Messi or Neymar on day release from Walton nick?
Danny O'Neill
83 Posted 10/06/2016 at 09:09:19
Well I'll certainly be over-analysing every word, reading between the lines and coming to absolute "factual" conclusions of my own Colin!
Phil Walling
85 Posted 10/06/2016 at 10:12:06
Andrew @ 73: In spite of the bizarre handling of the official announcement, it seems certain that Koeman is to be our new manager. Does your confidence in the return of Moyes indicate you see him as Everton's first Director of Football , perhaps as a quid quo pro arrangement between Moshiri and Kenwright ?

I suspect most of us would find that a very scary arrangement.

Tony Hill
86 Posted 10/06/2016 at 10:41:14
I think we do badly need to look at communication/PR by the club. It is often right to maintain silence but we had nothing about the Martinez debacle for more than a year and the present situation with Koeman could have been dealt with in a short statement to the fans as to timings and intent.

As others have said, gossip and nonsense are bound to fill the vacuum and it makes the club look strangely out of control.

Andrew Presly
88 Posted 10/06/2016 at 10:45:41
That's quite a vivid nightmare scenario painted there Phil!

I bow to nobody in my mistrust of the tedious coward but that might just might be a decent idea. Chief scout / head of infrastructure etc would suit him. Problem is the minute the current gaffer left he'd be back in the managerial hot seat like a rat going down to something very quickly.

I really hope to live out my days never seeing him in charge ever again but the nagging fear won't go away. It's sad and what Everton has done to me / us over the years. It's our way.

Anyway let's get Ron signed and worry about any DoF after that!

Chris Corn
89 Posted 10/06/2016 at 10:54:23
Tony 87, so what you want is for the club to come out and make an unofficial announcement to keep worried ToffeeWebbers appeased ?
Eivind Nyhus
90 Posted 10/06/2016 at 10:55:53
A positive though a day, keeps David Moyes away.

Please Everton, comfirm Koeman soon!

Jay Wood
91 Posted 10/06/2016 at 10:58:21
So much angst over so many threads, based on so little news.

Whilst I fully expect Koeman to be unveiled as the new gaffer on his return from holiday so the usual photo shoot and media interviews can be completed, is it rude of me to point out that, other than Moshiri's statements at the time of the cup quarter final at home to Chelsea, we have heard absolutely nothing ... zilch ... nada ... niks ... rien ... nichts ... niente ... from our new majority shareholder?

That silence extends to the club itself.

Since Moshiri's arrival the only two things officially transmitted by the club to we, the great unwashed, is first - hours after the news first broke - that Martinez had been sacked.

Secondly, just yesterday that (astonishingly) Darron Gibson has been given a new two year contract.

Everything else in recent weeks - the managerial targets, who has/has not been interviewed, the prospect of a new stadium, the wage structure, the transfer budget, likely transfer targets, likely departures, the capture of Koeman - all, ALL have come not from Moshiri, not from anyone officially representing the club, but from third parties outside the club.

I am one of those hopeful that Moshiri will indeed be the game changer we have long sort.

But, I repeat, there is still nothing ... zilch ... nada ... niks ... rien ... nichts ... niente ... from the man or indeed the club itself that this will be the case.

Until there is concrete proof to the contrary, all else remains what it is - unfounded speculation.

Tony Hill
92 Posted 10/06/2016 at 11:01:02
No, Chris, I want them to engage in reasonable communication and not just for ToffeeWebbers. This has been widely reported by the Echo following explicit checks with Club sources and has been reported in the wider media. The silence, in that context, is peculiar and rather damaging in my view.

The Club is quick to talk about its off-field activities but has a reluctance to address matters affecting the team. I m not suggesting a constant stream of information but a measured flow of communication with the supporters would surely not go amiss.

Patrick Murphy
93 Posted 10/06/2016 at 11:20:23
Tony (93) The problem of communicating too early or indeed at all, when a situation is unresolved, it is the hierarchy at the club, who then have to take the flak, if things don't go as planned. Saying nothing is probably best if it doesn't impede on the actual negotiations. However, Chris Beesley in the link below, had this hidden away in his reporting of Pelle possibly being a target for Everton. Talks rumbling on doesn't quite support the idea that it's just a matter of dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's does it, or perhaps it's just me?

As talks rumble on between Farhad Moshiri's team and Saints officials over Koeman there have been reports of a supposed 'no poaching' clause to prevent the manager trying to take players with him but it seems unlikely that Everton would agree to any sort of official arrangement.


Move for Pelle?

Chris Corn
94 Posted 10/06/2016 at 11:30:18
Tony, so what do you want them to say ? Any affirmative statement is effectively an announcement and that may be in contravention of any ongoing negotiations. I imagine that would need to be done with all parties consent.. I understand the concerns but until the deal is concluded, no one is going to announce anything.

There is only one interested party when things like renewed contracts or ground makeovers are announced, but there are numerous things to take into account when you are talking about the appointment of a manager who you are taking from another club.

Les Martin
95 Posted 10/06/2016 at 11:38:59
Settle down, settle down ! Mr Keoman is just finishing off his tan !
I am pleased that he will bring his backroom staff with him, his fitness coach is what really interests me, as it may well make our players sweat a bit more. not a bad thing as oppose previous regime
All will be revealed in good time, and after all this is a high profile deal from a high profile name in World football.
I am sure it will be worth the wait.
Phil Walling
96 Posted 10/06/2016 at 11:40:27
The club- still under the influence of BK - still has a clear policy on communication.

'FUCK THE FANS' !

John Hughes
97 Posted 10/06/2016 at 11:41:19
The fact is that these matters, including negotiations with Ronald Koeman, will be subject to "Heads of Terms" and other confidentiality clauses which cover all sides, including Southampton FC. I think these days it is a little naive to think that Clubs are going to release statements every five minutes on how talks are progressing. As far as I can see Everton have acted in a very professional way so far. Can you imagine the reaction on here if the Club had made a statement along the lines of " we are in the process of appointing Ronald Koeman", only to have to come back later and explain that it didn't happen due to some hitch?
On the other issue of Moshiri not making any statements of intent, why should he bare all to one and all. Again, I've lost count of the number of times we have experienced players and managers ( a la Martinez) coming out with all sorts of ridiculous statements of intent and TWers on here telling them to do their talking on the pitch. Well, it seems to me that is what Moshiri will do , hopefully. Football, as the old cliche goes, is big business these days and it is progressively being treated and projected as such. The days whenEverton pursued Howard Kendall from one bar to another in Magaluf to appoint him manager for the third time have well gone!


Tony Hill
98 Posted 10/06/2016 at 11:49:13
Well, I understand the need for caution but I stand by my view that this has been rather inelegantly handled and I think that's a shame because the eventual announcement - assuming it is going to happen - will be something of an anti-climax. I also agree with Phil Walling that there is a certain disregard for the fans, not merely on the Koeman front but also historically.
Dan Davies
99 Posted 10/06/2016 at 12:11:33
Could it be Everton cannot announce the signing of Koeman because he is on holiday? He couldn't sign before he jetted off because we were still in talks with Southampton?

Maybe it's a Monday morning press conference live on Sky Sports - with Koeman signing the actual contract there and then for the cameras?

Rather than Everton faxing him the contract and then waving it in the air shouting 'look look he's actually signed!' When he faxes back.

Deep breath, patience......

Stan Schofield
100 Posted 10/06/2016 at 13:23:50
It doesn't make any difference to anyone whether I'm informed or not informed about what's going on. I'm more interested in the ultimate outcome, regardless of any announcement timings. Keeping us informed won't affect Everton's performance on the pitch. I'd rather have a relatively silent management, with no bullshit, and substance on the pitch.
Dave Ganley
101 Posted 10/06/2016 at 14:21:49
Phil Walling your glass isn't half empty it's completely bone dry. If BK was still calling the shots then Martinez would still be here. Instead we will have a new manager installed next week which should be exciting even you and a new dawn is breaking over L4. Go on I dare you.....in fact I double dare you....go against your natural instincts and be happy for once
Phil Walling
102 Posted 10/06/2016 at 14:28:33
With every legal practice in the land having the means to have forms signed electronically, it's a bit naïve to think the parties have to be in even in the same continent to seal the deal !

Like a few on here, I guess, I've gone past caring whether Koeman here comes or not. He hasn't exactly shown much keenness for the job - rather the money that goes with it.

I don't expect Moshiri will be so dilatory over announcing how much bread he'll be putting in to our promised new home if it ever becomes more than a pipedream !

Oh, and they managed to brag how they'd re-signed the sicknote Gibson, didn't they ?

Stan Schofield
103 Posted 10/06/2016 at 15:21:26
Phil@102.

Yes, true, and I've had recent jobs secured like that, it's no problem. However, this will presumably be a big announcement for Everton (assuming Koeman is indeed our new manager), so I wouldn't really expect a big thing like this to be handled like a 'normal' job.

Also, do we really know the degree of keenness Koeman has for the job? He hasn't committed much either way, with respect to either Southampton or Everton, which to me would seem wise when you might be negotiating a new job. And to be honest, all that matters at the end of the day is how well the job is done, rather than how keen the manager is to have it. Martinez was very keen to keep hold of the job.

Patrick Murphy
104 Posted 10/06/2016 at 15:38:02
Phil (102) That's a good one even for your good self how do you know how much enthusiasm that Mr Koeman has shown for the job? Has he said publicly "Everton isn't really my cup of tea - but they're offering shed loads of dosh - so why not? ". You also imply that Mr Moshiri is not going to be the real deal either - again unless you have a magic crystal ball how do you know? I suppose I'm guilty of doing exactly what I said I wouldn't do responding to a post that has no basis in fact but is loaded with bait to wind fellow supporters up.
Chris Corn
105 Posted 10/06/2016 at 16:16:10
Phil 102, Premier league manager signs multi million pound deal over the Internet..heard it all now. Hahaha. Do you reckon he's got an etch a sketch stylo pen?!
Paul Tran
106 Posted 10/06/2016 at 16:31:20
Phil's point is a serious one Chris. One client of mine issues contracts to be signed via email regularly. No etch a sketch is necessary!

I think something needs ironing out or there's going to be a surprise announcement to go with Big Ron's arrival.

Dave Ganley
107 Posted 10/06/2016 at 16:45:24
Of course it's probably about money. How do you think Citeh managed to entice a lot of their players there? The splendid weather? Guardiola went because he fell in love with Manc land? PSG players went for the extreme challenge of the French league?

Let's not pretend that players and managers, regardless of status, are not enticed with ridiculous amount of cash. So what? Does that mean they won't give a damp while they do the job? Get real Phil. All footballers and managers are.mercenary to an extent these days. Doesn't mean they won't do the job their paid to do

Phil Walling
108 Posted 10/06/2016 at 16:56:11
Perhaps Mosh is merely waiting to picture manager and DoF in same shot. If so, I'm beginning to get a feeling that the latter may already be well known to us !
Chris Corn
109 Posted 10/06/2016 at 17:06:51
Yes Paul, ive signed things electronically but this is top level football we are talking. If it was so easy to sign remotely ,why is there always a panic on deadline day to get paperwork over the line?

I'd also take Phil more seriously if he didn't come across as someone who continually pours scorn on everything the club try to do. Neither the club nor Soton have uttered a word about this deal yet we have the same old suspects trotting out the anti Kenwright rhetoric and in Phils case , anti Moshiri rhetoric based on what the media have reported.

Phil Walling
110 Posted 10/06/2016 at 17:13:13
You are right, Chris. I am a cynic.......with much to be cynical about !
Dan Davies
111 Posted 10/06/2016 at 17:19:24
Phil I've come to the conclusion your just on a big wind up with your posts. Keeps things interesting mind!
Brian Harrison
112 Posted 10/06/2016 at 17:24:41
Phil

Tell me is there anything you like about Everton at the moment, I like you was opposed to signing the charlatan as I used to call him. But that led to me being put on the naughty chair by Michael.

We have a billionaire owner who for me has apart from Simeone got the best manager we could possibly hope for. Oh sorry until you see Koeman sign you don't believe it. Moshiri will according to Joe Anderson have us playing in a new stadium within 3 years.

Go back 12 months a joke of a manager in charge and a chairman who could only consider a new stadium if Tesco or some other company stomped up the money.

Jamie Barlow
113 Posted 10/06/2016 at 17:36:49
Absolutely Bob @68.

He's all but in charge legally I should think. Who else is giving players new contracts and letting others go?

Mike Keating
114 Posted 10/06/2016 at 23:30:56
We just made this fuckwit a multi multi millionaire and he still has to take his prearranged holiday. At least Colin Harvey had the humility to be holed up with the wife and kids in a caravan park in Talacre when he got the call.

Luckily I'm off fishing tomorrow so don't have to put up with another day of this wait and see bullshit.

John Otway
115 Posted 10/06/2016 at 23:44:57
Mike Keating. I hope you fall in the river taking a hook out of a fish's mouth.
Phil Walling
116 Posted 10/06/2016 at 23:50:32
Unlike his predecessor, Koeman has all the credentials to do us a good job. Mosh may well confuse the situation by making him work under a Director of Football but better that than BK continuing to deal with purchases, sales and contracts.

I can see him getting us back to where Moyes had us but hopefully with better football. You never know that between holidays he might even build a platform for Europe.

I'm not in the slightest excited by this drawn out appointment or Moshiri's total ignorance of public relations in dealing with it. However, it clearly remains to be seen whether Everton can be returned to the greatness so many of the club's loyal supporters deserve and I shall be looking out for the results from my far away idyl.

Have a good summer, all of you!

Clive Rogers
117 Posted 10/06/2016 at 23:54:50
Brian (#112),

Correct, Moshiri is the antithesis of Kenwright – no bullshit, high achiever.

If someone had stumped up the money for a new stadium, Kenwright would still have got it wrong. He even ballsed up the shop on the car park, for god's sake. A complete fraud who consistently put himself before EFC.

Dan Davies
118 Posted 11/06/2016 at 00:10:57
Yep, agreed there, Mr Walling – if bringing in a DoF means the 'transfer conductor' takes a backward step away from purchases, contracts etc, I think that would be a step forward!
Clive Rogers
119 Posted 11/06/2016 at 00:12:00
Kenwright stated several times that he was receiving advice from Sir Phillip Green. It looks now that the advice could well have been "look after yourself and screw everyone else."
Ron Marr
120 Posted 11/06/2016 at 01:00:56
If Koeman doesn't get Everton to better than Moyes in x years he'll be gone. Days of Get Me 40 Points Billy are gone.
Andy Walker
121 Posted 11/06/2016 at 07:39:47
Phil, do you think we should have announced his appointment at a media event that Koeman isn't at?

What exactly should the club have said which they haven't?

Tony Abrahams
122 Posted 11/06/2016 at 07:57:28
Phil 116, you surprise me. What's wrong with Moshiri, saying nothing about the Koeman, transfer? A man of few words will do for me, especially considering nothing is finalised yet.

Football is full of were gonna do this, and we're gonna do that types, you only had to listen to our squad last season. Lukaku, missed a hatful, in a semi final, at Wembley, but couldn't wait to tell the world how he couldn't stop staring at The League Trophy?

If Koeman, was the manager Moshiri, wanted, the fact that he's went and got him speaks absolute volumes to me.

Phil Walling
123 Posted 11/06/2016 at 08:04:33
Andy, they should have told him if he wanted the job, he should get his arse to Goodison pronto.This is Everton!
Andy Walker
124 Posted 11/06/2016 at 08:13:20
Mike Keating 114 wins the most parochial fan post of the thread for me. Lobbing the personal abuse that we reserve for our managers, even before he's been officially unveiled, class.

Enjoy your fishing in your small town Mike. The rest of us are moving on into the new world under Moshiri. Money, power, ambition, all the things we as a club have lacked for decades.

And yes I gave you the attention you no doubt crave.

Andy Walker
125 Posted 11/06/2016 at 08:18:15
Phil, I know where you're coming from but I'd rather he came back refreshed, batteries fully recharged and rareing to go. Doesn't matter how much you pay someone, we're all human beings and we need a holiday once a year if we are to perform to our best.
Stewart Lowe
126 Posted 11/06/2016 at 08:30:36
I'd love to know what the deal is here. Not overly joyed in the first place that Koeman will be the manager as he was my 3rd choice. He has been allowed a 2 week holiday in the Caribbean before he spoke with Everton and now he is in Turkey on a second holiday.

Just seems to me that Koeman appears to be calling the shots with the board? And I just do the rate him high enough to be doing that. Just feel that we have less time with the euros to get the squad we need together and familiarise themselves with each other and new tactics.

Thomas Surgenor
127 Posted 11/06/2016 at 08:38:59
Stewart.
The squad are still on their holidays too.
So even if he was appointment right this second, it won't help them adjust with tactics etc
Stewart Lowe
128 Posted 11/06/2016 at 08:40:54
It's obvious the deal is done. Everton will have shown the list of players being shown the end of contract door and Koeman will have decided that Gibson stays. He is still 28 and makes a good squad player. Whereas osman is 33 and Pienaar 34 so makeso good sense.
Andy Walker
129 Posted 11/06/2016 at 08:42:18
I don't think it's very complicated Stewart, Koeman and his family are having their annual holiday. Don't forget Koeman had a bad injury this year and was on crutches but still in the dug out. So he's had a tougher year than usual.

An Iranian billionaire be dictated to, I somehow doubt it. Just adults acting in an adult way. If I was in Moshiri's shoes I'd be insisting he took a holiday with his family, maybe Mosh has.

Mark Stone
130 Posted 11/06/2016 at 09:10:48
The frustration is all caused by the media. When we announce a new manager, we announce a new manager. Until then I don't want to read, every day for two weeks, how we're going to announce him 'in the next 24 hours'.
Thomas Surgenor
131 Posted 11/06/2016 at 09:15:00
Perhaps we are waiting to announce him the same day as we reveal our new orange and blue third kit? Making it a Dutch day.
Clive Rogers
132 Posted 11/06/2016 at 10:01:41
Stewart 128,
Ossie is 35.
Phil Walling
133 Posted 11/06/2016 at 10:02:50
If Koeman really did insist on Gibson's retention, that's the first mistake he's made. Perhaps, if he really is to be our manager, his judgement will improve !
Colin Glassar
134 Posted 11/06/2016 at 10:07:00
Fatal mistake Phil? Could this be the beginning of the end? Has Koeman jinxed his Everton career already? Joking apart, I don't get this either. Maybe it was one of BK's last wishes to keep one of the old guard.
Eric Holland
135 Posted 11/06/2016 at 10:52:20
Looks like its a done deal then......https://twitter.com/EvertonUSA/status/741315790511579136/photo/1

Eivind Nyhus
136 Posted 11/06/2016 at 11:33:28
Whats going on? Another really positive article about us. This is becoming strange, but I like it!

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/koemans-Everton-arrival-confirms-blues-11455007

Phil Walling
137 Posted 11/06/2016 at 11:36:12
No, Colin, by no means a fatal mistake - just wanton waste of the club's money ! Fatal would be Roberto's signing of Niasse - that probably cost him his job !
Brian Denton
138 Posted 11/06/2016 at 13:24:52
The Echo website is shite - it is the perfect example of how not to design one. It spends so much time cramming in adverts, loading unwanted video clips etc that finally getting to the bit you want to read takes forever. I usually give up. I wouldn't dream of reading it on my mobile, as all that crap must really eat into your data allowance.

Gentle heads up for ToffeeWeb.... !

Eric Holland
139 Posted 11/06/2016 at 13:50:39
Brian just google the last bit...koemans-Everton-arrival-confirms-blues-11455007
Eivind Nyhus
140 Posted 11/06/2016 at 14:29:55
Its a nice little feel-good piece about our dear club, it made my morning!
Andy Walker
141 Posted 11/06/2016 at 19:23:11
Phil, if we sell Gibbo later this summer, or Jan or next summer as he's now under contract, we will now receive a transfer fee that will more than cover the cost of his wages. In other words our club makes money.

I think Gibbo is sellable and clearly so does the club. I really think it's perfectly reasonable to think there's another club out there that will offer a couple of mil or so for him over the next year. Nothing to do with Koeman as he's not our manager yet, just the club protecting its assets.

Phil Walling
142 Posted 11/06/2016 at 19:31:16
Hey, Andy, I hope you are right but nobody wanted the crock on free loan let alone pay money for and to him. Daft decision by any standards and dents confidence in our Happy Holidaying Manager of Mystery !
David Greenwood
143 Posted 11/06/2016 at 19:35:50
Phil, how do you know nobody wanted him on loan?

Phil Walling
144 Posted 11/06/2016 at 19:41:45
He was announced as being available for loan in the days when snippets of information were posted by the club. Things seem to have changed since The Saviour appeared !

PS I take it there is no Live Forum on the England game. I'm in the Sports Bar in Pafos surrounded by Smelly Russian sailors. Don't they have showers in submarines ?

David Greenwood
145 Posted 11/06/2016 at 19:46:04
Not answered the question Phil.

How do you know nobody wanted him?

Just because a deal didn't go through doesn't mean nobody wanted him.

Dave Pritchard
146 Posted 11/06/2016 at 19:50:48
All this has already been discussed at length on an earlier thread. To sum up the vast majority believe it is a strange decision to give Gibbo a new contract and a few, Andy being their main spokesman, think it is good business.
Phil Walling
147 Posted 11/06/2016 at 19:51:57
HTF does anybody know what goes on inside Everton ? We are left to speculate but given that he didn't go anywhere, I assume his injury record meant no sensible club would take a chance on him. If he's your hero, I apologise, but this is only good natured banter, don't be so serious !
Phil Walling
148 Posted 11/06/2016 at 19:56:35
Just told a Russian bruiser that if Niasse was the best player in Russia, England are in for a cricket score tonight. He said,'Vat is cricket and who is Niasse ?

Says it all, I guess !

Tony McNulty
149 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:06:49
Phil - re the quotation have you been reading your old copies of the Hotspur and the Valiant?
Phil Walling
150 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:12:20
No, Baldy Hogan in The Adventure, Tony !
Andy Crooks
151 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:17:52
Phil, Gibson is now fit. He is a decent player and he is not old. Any player can get injured, luck plays apart. Gibson is due some. You would probably have been as cynical about Peter Reid.
Tony McNulty
152 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:19:34
I don't buy that. Come on Phil, you've been watching re-runs of the Saint with Simon Templar, and following the scripts of those East German bad guys. "Zso Meester Templar. Now you geeve me the diamonds."
Phil Walling
153 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:30:46
I've asked my new Russian friend to reply :-

KOOSHITE GOVNO EE OOMEITEE !

So there !

Andy Walker
154 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:35:03
That's right Dave 146 and of course Moshiri also thinks it's good business to offer him a new contract otherwise he wouldn't have done so.

I think Hibbo, Ossie, and Pienaar being let go is inextricably linked to Gibbo not being let go as it naturally leads to the question what's the difference between these 3 and Gibbo? In a word (which I'm probably making up) saleability. Gibbo is only 28 and there's very likely one club out there that will take a punt on him over the next 12 months. If there is just that one club that makes an offer for him our club will make money. This is no doubt Moshiri's rationale behind the decision to give him a contract.

Phil Walling
155 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:36:45
God save us from Moshiri, then, Andy !
Jackie Barry
156 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:39:12
England unimpressive
Tony McNulty
157 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:39:46
I wish we'd hired your Russian friend during Roberto's reign. He could have helped with the after match interviews. He makes more sense than Roberto ever did. Then again, I've heard whoopee cushions making more sense than Robert did after some of the games.
Gordon Crawford
158 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:45:33
This game needs Barkley. Alli has made one decent run and apart from that he has been average.
Phil Walling
159 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:45:54
On the contrary, Jackie, it's one way traffic for England. The Russians here are wanting to sack their manager. Sounds familiar !
Andy Walker
160 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:47:04
You want him to leave the Phil along with the Ruskis?
Jackie Barry
161 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:47:22
One way unimpressive traffic Phil. Sorry but I have simply not been impressed.
Phil Walling
162 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:50:26
Jackie, did you learn nothing from Roberto. Possession is everything. Only pedants value GOALS !
Jackie Barry
163 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:51:48
The BBC's really overdoing the praise on England, I would think I was watching a different game if I didn't know any better. I am English by the way.
Jackie Barry
164 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:52:23
LOL
Ernie Baywood
165 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:55:15
Still think the player they're missing is Baines. Rose has only a fraction of his quality.

In every tournament England's problem is turning influence into goals, and Baines would have more assists to his name than most of the players in white.

Phil Walling
166 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:55:58
Crouch just said 'England are whopping them 0-0.' Roberto lives ob !
David Chait
167 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:57:08
Gordon, Dele can do no wrong. Pity Ross doesn't get the same leeway. England need Ross. But he has become persona non grata.
Phil Walling
168 Posted 11/06/2016 at 20:59:26
I see a Euro thread has appeared. Shall we all migrate over there, lads ?
Gordon Crawford
169 Posted 11/06/2016 at 21:26:03
Very true David. Yes Phil lets do that. :)
Phil Walling
170 Posted 11/06/2016 at 21:28:33
Frustrating night for England. Still think we'll win this, though - |And our reject player scores !
Phil Walling
171 Posted 11/06/2016 at 21:29:39
Was it Moyes who didn't rate him ?
Phil Walling
172 Posted 11/06/2016 at 21:30:41
Bet he wouldn't be playing tonight if he'd stayed with us, though !
Martin Mason
173 Posted 11/06/2016 at 22:18:22
I really don't like the nepotism of insisting his brother comes and certainly not the £7MM a year salary. The guy is the manager of Southampton not fucking Pep Guardiola.
Tony Hill
174 Posted 13/06/2016 at 00:05:34
Looks like Emery is leaving Sevilla. Wonder where he's going.
Vijay Nair
175 Posted 13/06/2016 at 00:42:41
Most likely to PSG, Tony...

Link

Tony Hill
176 Posted 13/06/2016 at 11:29:23
Thanks Vijay. I trust, in the meantime, that Koeman is coming to Everton. No doubt, it's all in hand.
Sam Hoare
177 Posted 13/06/2016 at 11:35:17
Is Koeman not back from his hols? This should be getting announced today surely?
Andrew Presly
178 Posted 13/06/2016 at 12:04:27
Back in talks today with a view to a midweek announcement. The saga continues.

Actually starting to look like he doesn't even want the job and that Saints have called his bluff on attempts at a big pay rise.

Dan Davies
179 Posted 13/06/2016 at 12:06:04
Starting to get a bit concerned now, this should be over the line. Had visions of a midday unveiling but nope. I would love to know the hold up.

Having recently called for patience mine just ran out. What is going on? Is this as cut and dried as the media have been making out?

I was hoping this would have been settled by the start of the Euro's. Maybe we've seen a better opportunity? Are we waiting for a DoF? Too many question marks for my liking!

I'm like a dog without a bone here! C'mon Everton get this sorted.

Oliver Molloy
180 Posted 13/06/2016 at 12:15:25
I do think its time the club told us what is going on....
Andrew Ellams
181 Posted 13/06/2016 at 12:24:12
Sevilla have already announced their new manager. That's how you do it.
Robert Elliott
182 Posted 13/06/2016 at 12:29:16
Either this has never been as cut and dried as the media led us to believe, Koeman is having second thoughts or we are trying really hard to avoid a fine for tapping him up by making it look like negotiations are only just beginning. Either way, this needs resolving this week. If Koeman is hesitating then I would hope we would give him a deadline and then move on. As long as it's not back to Moyes that is!
Linda Morrison
183 Posted 13/06/2016 at 12:34:52
This is turning into a great shambles for EFC. O.K the chap was on holiday but my understanding is he returned yesterday.
All the shine has been taken off what should have been seen as a great statement from the club.
Surely there is nothing left to discuss. If there is I think it is a worry. I note there are no rumours about who the next manager of Southampton is going to be.
Surely he is not having second thoughts?
Iain Latchford
184 Posted 13/06/2016 at 12:55:58
My guess (maybe I'm being optimistic) is that they are going to announce Koeman at the same time as a new sporting director. That could be what is holding things up.

I'm pretty sure it's a done deal.....(he says nervously).

Colin Glassar
185 Posted 13/06/2016 at 12:56:44
Maybe he's lost a suitcase and is arguing with the Ryan air ground crew.
Gordon Crawford
186 Posted 13/06/2016 at 13:30:03
I said before that this deal stinks and ill stand by that. Emery should have been our target. Not convinced that Koeman wants this job. If he takes it, it will be for the money and nothing else as far as im concerned.
Dave Williams
187 Posted 13/06/2016 at 13:41:25
I'm starting to think the same Gordon - ok he's been on holiday but surely his agent is best placed to negotiate for him anyway and I can't understand why it is dragging on.

He has surely burned his bridges at Southampton now but he certainly seems in no hurry to tie up what should be a dream job and that causes concern.

No word from the club which is consistent with everything since Moshri came in but the fans deserve some sort of comment even if it is to say we are in advanced negotiations with someone which we hope to resolve early this week. If we are not careful this will become a real damp squib rather than an appointment which heralds a new era.

Other managers are getting fixed up and this has echoes of 1997(?) when we were promised a world class manager and ended up with a washed-up version of the formerly great HK.

Need to sort this quickly - what price Unsy now then?

Trevor Lynes
188 Posted 13/06/2016 at 13:56:19
He may well be mulling over offers before making a decision.Southampton may be a better option in the end as his job with us means an awful lot of hard work and in many ways a thankless task !!

Silk purses out of sows ears comes to mind...just look at our first team squad !!

Patrick Murphy
189 Posted 13/06/2016 at 13:56:59
How do we know that Koeman is the number one target? Could it be Everton FC are playing hard to get and not Ronald? The truth is apart from the Liverpool Echo's coverage of Koeman over the past few weeks we don't know anything about the managerial situation at Goodison do we? The bookmakers have made their minds up, but what if another preferred candidate was suddenly available when they may not have been a few weeks ago?

It's impossible to rush to judgement about the club or the potential manager's agenda at this point in time, given the paucity of information available - I still feel it will be Ronald and company, but only because of what the media has been writing and the bookmakers stance on the situation, however, I wouldn't be at all surprised if somebody else was installed as the new Everton manager. Whatever happens I hope the Everton hierarchy get the right person in the end, as this is probably our biggest managerial appointment in possibly half-a-century.

Brent Stephens
190 Posted 13/06/2016 at 13:59:22
Truth is none of us knows so I'm happy to wait rather than play guessing games.
Phil Walling
191 Posted 13/06/2016 at 13:59:44
We can only believe that Saints are playing hardball and Everton are in too deep with Koeman to look elsewhere.

Moshiri may have lots of money but he's sure got lots to learn about negotiating in the football mire. No wonder he wants to appoint a Sporting Director !

Another fine mess you've got us into, Kenwright !

Peter Barry
192 Posted 13/06/2016 at 14:03:58
Its 'Next Week' already.
Patrick Murphy
193 Posted 13/06/2016 at 14:07:13
Phil (191) Make sure you continue to feed that cat on your lap, as you seem to like nothing better than to sit in your swivel chair thinking up different ways of simultaneously draining the enthusiasm out of Evertonians and planting as many seeds of doubt as is possible. I don't believe that you are retired, I think you have SPECTRE in your complete control, and Blofeld is your real name. All of that doesn't make you wrong by the way.
Ged Simpson
194 Posted 13/06/2016 at 14:07:43
Patrick... exactly. Who knows. The club have said that and the "my mate with contacts" network is never reliable. Most of us are bored now and will hear as and when they decide to tell us. In between, we have lives and a summer to enjoy.
Phil Walling
195 Posted 13/06/2016 at 14:12:31
Thanks for those kind words, Patrick !

I merely work on the basis that if anything can go wrong with whatever Everton do, it will.

Check the records.

Iain Johnston
196 Posted 13/06/2016 at 14:18:41
Pat Murphy@189... Spot on.

It's only the media that have Koeman as THE MAN, neither club has said a word to even hint at an approach let alone any negotiation.

Dan Davies
197 Posted 13/06/2016 at 14:36:17
Been doing a bit of snooping... anyone interested enough have a read of this, it maybe BS but make your own mind up.

Might just explain how long this is taking. Or not! Scroll down to the post from Jack Schitt (I know).

Http://sotonians.com/chat/saints-next-manager?p=8

Colin Glassar
198 Posted 13/06/2016 at 14:42:50
Several possible scenarios;

1) BK's masterminded a devilish plan ie He issues a statement along the lines of,

"Everton football club, after long and protracted negotiations, are sad to announce that we have been unable to conclude a deal with Ronald Koeman. We wish Ronald all the best in the future.

"However, we are overjoyed to announce the appointment of David Moyes as our new manager. David knows, and loves, this club and I'm sure everyone at the club is excited as I am that David is returning to lead us into a bright future"

Or,

2) "Everton FC are happy to announce the appointment of Ronald Koeman as our new manager. Ronald has agreed a three year deal and will soon be joined by Monchi, formerly of Seville FC."
A beaming Bill Kenwright later added, "The first time I saw Ronald Koeman play for the Netherlands I thought to myself, when I'm chairman of Everton he will be one of my managers".
A bemused Ronald Koeman declined to make a comment on Chairman Bill's confusing babbling.

3) We do nothing and hope everyone is watching the euros. Roberto is réappointed manager but it is never officially announced. Roberto has to enter FF incognito so the kit man does all the pressers, and does a bloody good job of it too. So good, he is will be considered for the vacant English job.

Dave Abrahams
199 Posted 13/06/2016 at 14:49:59
Linda (183), I'm surprised at you, of all people, women, or in your case, ladies, are supposed to have more patience, relax Linda Koeman is coming, I bet he hasn't even unpacked his suitcases yet, give him five minutes to do that at least. Linda there are two names tipped for the Southampton job, in the Daily Mirror this morning.
Gordon Scott
200 Posted 13/06/2016 at 14:58:25
Dan Davies (197). That was an extremely interesting read. Seems far too indepth to be made up. Also sounds very worrying.... Lets hope that this is all a smoke screen and we have really managed to get Emery.... !!!
Bill Gall
201 Posted 13/06/2016 at 15:00:11
Well I said a couple of weeks ago, the only way I believe Everton has a new manager is when he is photographed with a team shirt and given the name of Evertons new manager at an official presentation.

So I just sign in once a day to see if it has happened. As a supporter from 1952 I have seen to many disappointments at Everton to believe in paper talk.

Colin Glassar
202 Posted 13/06/2016 at 15:05:05
Smokescreen Gordon? Interesting. BK did use the yanks to that affect didn't he? I can't see Moshiri screwing up his first major decision tbh.
Thomas Surgenor
203 Posted 13/06/2016 at 15:12:42
Dan 197.
Either that guy has some inside knowledge or he is a very creative writer. It reads too well to be totally made up.

Colin 202.
Is anyone actually on record from the club saying "koeman is our main target". It could all be media created while the mosh diligently goes about the real business.

I'd actually be more impressed if we announce someone else and that RK was never in the running. If mosh and co could keep our true target away from media spotlight, I'd see it as a truly professional master stroke.

Colin Glassar
204 Posted 13/06/2016 at 15:16:34
Could be Thomas, could be. Not a peep on social media, even the daily fail and mirror have gone quiet.
Thomas Surgenor
205 Posted 13/06/2016 at 15:18:14
I, like you, was patiently convinced it was going to be announced today.

It was the most likely and professional scenario since the rumours broke a fortnight ago.

Getting a little confused by the situation now. Something isn't as straight forward as I first thought.

Thomas Surgenor
206 Posted 13/06/2016 at 15:20:38
Ps: I find it very strange that the media have him all but appointed yet there's been NO comments from either club to either deny/confirm that even an approach was made.

Surely Southampton would even say "yes we have given permission" or "no approach has been made"

Paul Kossoff
207 Posted 13/06/2016 at 15:24:07
Apparently the Echo have said Koeman is back from holiday but still hasn't finished negotiations with Everton, and said talks could drag on to the middle of this week.

Now that Emery is leaving Seville, could Everton change course and bring Emery in as the new manager? Either way, I would be happy so long as we start bringing in class signings.

Mark Murphy
208 Posted 13/06/2016 at 15:24:27
Ha!
Wait until they find out that Eddie Howe is an Evertonian!
James Stewart
209 Posted 13/06/2016 at 15:24:41
@197 Entertaining read but its a load of bullshit. Koeman is interested in getting to the very top and the move to Everton has very little risk for him. Southampton won't be able to repeat their excellent league finish next year due to many factors, lack of investment in the transfer market and the improvement that will happen at City, United, Chelsea etc... If Koeman gets Everton into the top 7 next season, a far more likely scenario than the saints repeating their finish next year, his stock will rise again given he will have turned around the fortunes of another EPL club. Somewhat low hanging fruit for him in my opinion but in the absence of a Champions League club coming in for him it is a wise move.
Dan Davies
212 Posted 13/06/2016 at 15:49:14
James @209, as I said make your own mind up, just thought it might be food for thought whilst we await our new manager. Getting a bit boring all this.

Interesting though the longer this drags on it might actually have some truth to it. Into Tuesday we go! Then Wednesday........

Colin Glassar
213 Posted 13/06/2016 at 15:54:35
Announcement now expected on Wednesday now. I'm going back to sleep then.
Marc Jones
215 Posted 13/06/2016 at 16:18:48
Dan @197 great find and very entertaining read from Jack but I'd say as others have its BS!! He would have had to have had about 10 coffees by the time his ITK mate had done telling him the info.

Everton are probably just ironing out any creases and they'll announce Monchi at the same time (here's to dreaming!!)

Paul Kossoff
216 Posted 13/06/2016 at 16:31:20
Are we the only team in the Premier league without a manager?

Including the three relegated and promoted teams?
Phil Walling
217 Posted 13/06/2016 at 17:00:39
Perhaps Saint Ronald got cold feet when Monchi became Moysi ? You know, the talent spotter of Dier and Mistafi !
Oliver Molloy
218 Posted 13/06/2016 at 17:39:06
Dan 197....

I would think this guy is in fantasy land....

There is absolutely no way that Moshri would agree to any contract that says Koeman can not go back to buy a player from Southampton.


Mike Allison
219 Posted 13/06/2016 at 17:46:56
The bit that gets me from that Southampton story is the 'Koeman is an arsehole and a shit manager' bit.

Why do they care so much if he leaves if all that's true? I'd have thought they were quite keen to offload him.

If it is true, or close, then the behind the scenes 'due diligence' we were doing on Pellegrini should be repeated on Koeman and this would turn up.

Very interesting, and highly off-putting. I'm prepared to be extremely patient as long as we get the right man.

Dan Davies
220 Posted 13/06/2016 at 17:58:22
Oliver@218, you may well be correct. Something's holding this up though ain't it? I just thought it was interesting to hear a rumour from their side of the argument.
Andrew Clare
221 Posted 13/06/2016 at 18:07:35
Dan#197, I have just read the link. Very interesting and very worrying if true.
I find it incredible that no one seems to know what is happening.
Denis Richardson
222 Posted 13/06/2016 at 18:21:26
Dan 197, thanks for digging that up although it's put me under a massive cloud to say the least! Seems too detailed to be made up and explains the delay if true.

If any of that is true then we'd be making a real fk up getting RK with all the decent talent in the academy about to come through. Players hating a manager is never great and all players talk so I'm pretty sure our team will know a lot more about RK than any of us.

Think I'm going to switch off this 'will he won't he' thing and just enjoy the euros until the club make an announcement.

Tony Hill
223 Posted 13/06/2016 at 18:24:53
I'm afraid the whole thing is looking like a mess. It is clear there is a problem and that this explains the total lack of communication. It's a time for calmness, though, and I continue to trust Moshiri to get the right answer one way or the other and even if it takes longer.

The worry, though, is that this eats into the time available to sort out the plans for next season.

Colin Glassar
224 Posted 13/06/2016 at 18:40:56
According to the express, they are meeting today to finalise some final details and he will be announced on Wednesday. FDB will take over at Southampton.
Dan Davies
225 Posted 13/06/2016 at 18:46:11
Reading all the posts after he posted his he seems to be held in fairly high regard with saints fans when it comes to rumours apparently.
Bobby Thomas
226 Posted 13/06/2016 at 19:14:31
Phil #193

What a load of bollocks.

Eugene Ruane
228 Posted 13/06/2016 at 19:31:24
Re any possible 'gentlemen's' agreement (or insistence) on RK not taking their players, fine with me.

Because what we could do then is wait until someone else puts a bid in for one of their players and say "We'll increase that by five mill...oh wait, we can't coz of the agreement"

(then flick them the fingers like Rik Mayall's Rick from The Young Ones)

Mick Davies
229 Posted 13/06/2016 at 19:41:12
Dan, 197 Jack Schitt is talking exactly that; RK has just took Southampton to their best ever consecutive top flight finishes; the club were discussing a contract extension and the fans adored him.
Phil Walling
230 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:00:30
Load of bollocks or not, Moshiri seems totally oblivious of both human and public relations good practice. First he keeps Martinez and the fanbase hanging by a thread until the last game, then lets three loyal servants learn they've got the chop via emails from mates and then makes a right dog's breakfast of buying another club's manager !

You couldn't make it up but then, this is Everton - you don't need to !

Tony Draper
231 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:08:12
Thanks Dan @197.
As you correctly say, it is an interesting read.

Whether it is all true, true in part or untrue (personally it seems that there are some true, some probably not) will come out in the passage of time. Dressing rooms are very leaky when a manager departs.

I find there is disconnect between the apparent keenness to retain the contented fitness coach and the readiness to blame Koeman for the short, low intensity training. That seems a bit fucking odd to me.

Then the notion that Koeman is actively blocking the progress of academy players and never ever watches them. OK so turning up occasionally would be encouraging to the youth players and acknowledges the importance of the academy staffs work. But as with the fitness coach, it is work delegated to others. Perhaps he doesn't give the fucking lawnmowers a lick of paint either ? (Acknowledgement here to CG's ribtickler).

My view of many such "horses mouth", info is that the people who provide this are often people with some junior position entirely unconnected with the true seat of power. Not exactly fantasists but those who spin a great deal of yarn from very little wool.

People who actually hear the real dialogue are hired because their track record proves that they are utterly watertight. They were handed tasty rumours, and those rumours never, ever surfaced.........
Those who leaked ?
Not promoted.

There is an enormous market for accurate information, but the more accurate it is, the more apparent the source.
A billionaire such as Farhad Moshiri doesn't leave a file marked "Top Secret" on his desk when he knows that blabbermouth, noseyarse Gladys the cleaner is vacuuming the office...... Unless he wants the silly old bat to spread a load of codswallop.

Still interesting reading though.

Oliver Molloy
232 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:13:51
Dan....220

Yes, I agree with you, it does seem strange that if Koeman is Moshiri's preferred choice of manager that he hasn't got him over the line yet - holidays or no holidays !


Jason Mcclure
233 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:17:00
according to the daily mail Emery has bought his contract out with Sevilla.....might explain the delay
Mike Green
234 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:18:10
Personally, I quite like it.

In the modern world, where everyone, especially the media, expect to know the ins and outs of a cats areshole - even if it's not even their cat - I find it quite reassuring to find someone knows how to turn the oxygen of publicity off if they want to.

We might find it annoying but nowhere near as much as the media. 'EFC - minding its own business.'

Joe McMahon
235 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:23:59
Mr P Walling (230). I have faith in Fahad Moshiri, at the moment lets give him the benefit. BK's been on the Everton Board for yonks and has overseen, no ground improvement or new stadium, no silverware and the longest serving manager at one club in premier league history never to win a trophy.

I am hoping however that there is a back up manager option (not Moyes) though, if Koeman doesn't arrive.

Phil Walling
236 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:24:22
Jason, what has Emery got to do with our situation over Koeman ?
Phil Walling
237 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:29:36
Fair enough, Joe, but by the same standard you could say that Mohiri has been on the Board five minutes and has so far fucked up the timing of sacking a useless manager as well as the process for recruiting a successor !
Jason Mcclure
238 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:30:36
As I said may explain any delay with the manager's announcement seeing as the club haven't confirmed either way that they have actually spoken to Koeman
Dennis Ng
239 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:33:04
Jason 233, he's my preferred pick, please don't jinx it LOL

I don't really understand the situation. Based on reports through last week, we have everything agreed upon, so it's just a formality, isn't it? Whether it's Koeman (or unlikely Emery), both are good candidates. We just need to announce it and move on. The way this got dragged out is certainly doing nobody any favors. I don't see Southampton benefitting from delaying Koeman's departure if it was agreed upon.

Phil 236, it's for all the hopers out there. Emery's linked to PSG but it would be a mistake IMO. None of our business if he's not the one announced of course.

Tony Twist
240 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:38:28
Plain and simple, this has gone on for far too long. It does nothing for the supporters and makes the club look foolish. Getting Martinez took forever and this is going the same way. Get a grip of the situation Everton.
Martin Mason
241 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:51:39
Mike@234, I agree. The board are acting professionally in making no announcement until the contract is signed. It is not important that we rush it and no advantage accrues, we rushed into hiring Martinez remember. Given the money we are reportedly going to pay Koemans then we need to get it right. I hope that the negotiations are tough and include continuity with existing employees given that we hired a clown in Martinez and he bought his circus acts with him. We must prevent that happening unless they are also the best.
Mike Allison
242 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:56:41
Martin why do you write 'Koemans' every time? Am I missing something? His name is Koeman. Or are you referring to both of them?
Andy Crooks
243 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:57:45
I agree to some extent, Martin. In fact I agree entirely about the insane hasty appointment of Martinez. However, would you not agree that Koeman has been chosen and the failure to close the deal is worthy of some concern.
Brent Stephens
244 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:59:20
What the club doesn't want to do is make a premature announcement. That would make us look foolish. None of us knows what's going on, only guesswork, so let's just wait and see. Let's get this right.
Keith Harrison
245 Posted 13/06/2016 at 20:59:53
Don't panic Mr Mainwaring, don't panic!!
Martin Mason
246 Posted 13/06/2016 at 21:09:14
Andy@242, no I have no concern at all and I can't influence it so won't worry about it. I trust the club to get the best man.
Ian Robert
247 Posted 13/06/2016 at 21:15:50
I think it should be "Dont Panic and don't type shite" Keith. Cannot see how the club has made "a right dog's breakfast of buying another club's manager". They will make a statement when they want to. As for "then lets three loyal servants learn they've got the chop via emails from mates"....someone been talking to the steward again??? By the way...hope Peanuts isn't one of the 3 "loyal" servants??
Martin Mason
248 Posted 13/06/2016 at 21:20:22
He was
David Greenwood
249 Posted 13/06/2016 at 21:22:49
More speculation Phil. Any facts?

No? Thought not.

Why bother?

Your endless repetitive negative comments continually spoil every thread that appears.

Ian Robert
250 Posted 13/06/2016 at 21:34:23
Did you want facts Davie?? really?
David Greenwood
251 Posted 13/06/2016 at 21:36:37
Not expecting any Ian.
Keith Harrison
252 Posted 13/06/2016 at 21:42:58
DONT TELL THEM YOUR NAME, PIKE!
Ian Robert
253 Posted 13/06/2016 at 21:45:31
So...you are going in the little book.... Pike!
Keith Harrison
254 Posted 13/06/2016 at 21:46:51
Although, if Koeman had signed, he could have offloaded Romlak last week before the whole of Europe see how gash he is! His price has halved tonight, along with the RS Origi.
Ian Robert
255 Posted 13/06/2016 at 21:53:42
maybe nobody will sign him???!!! OMG
Tony Draper
256 Posted 13/06/2016 at 22:10:41
Keith @254.
I thought that Lukaku was pretty lacklustre tonight, until Origi replaced him........ Utterly bloody useless, cows arse + banjo !
Keith Harrison
257 Posted 13/06/2016 at 22:40:24
I bet a lot didn't notice, Tony, as the RS was as bad as Rom.
Ho hum.
Phil Walling
258 Posted 13/06/2016 at 22:54:48
So what GOOD news have I missed, David ? Come to that, what news of any hue, have I missed ?
Dan Davies
259 Posted 13/06/2016 at 23:15:04
I've come to the conclusion if Koeman isn't officially our manager this time Wednesday we've gone for someone else.
Raymond Fox
260 Posted 13/06/2016 at 23:15:11
All this faith in Moshiri is premature I'd say, more like we want to believe!
Tony Hill
261 Posted 13/06/2016 at 00:02:50
Possibly, Raymond, but if he's not worthy of our faith then we really do have problems. It would not be us if we didn't have this sort of agonising process.
Tony Hill
262 Posted 14/06/2016 at 00:09:41
BBC gossip says he'll be announced tomorrow now.
Mark Boulle
263 Posted 14/06/2016 at 09:25:46
Other teams appoint managers, Everton just work their way slowly, painfully slowly, through a "mountain of paperwork".

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/Everton-working-through-paperwork-ronald-11468444

Why, why, why is the club so slow at GETTING THINGS DONE...??!!

Eugene Ruane
264 Posted 14/06/2016 at 09:34:32
IT'S OFFICIAL!! (see OS)
Andrew McGreavy
265 Posted 14/06/2016 at 09:34:46
Koeman deal all done 3 year contract. Now on official website

COYB

David Chait
266 Posted 14/06/2016 at 09:36:01
Was in the OS 2 mins ago and not announced but sky sports sent alert! But take it site is updated! Done.
Tony Hill
267 Posted 14/06/2016 at 09:36:04
Wonderful - and no gushing nonsense in his statement.
Amit Vithlani
268 Posted 14/06/2016 at 09:42:41
Welcome Mr. Koeman to the greatest football club in the world.

Thank you Mr. Moshiri for a bold appointment which hopefully will reap rich rewards for the club.

Thanks to BK for finding Mr. Mosh.

To use adjectives favoured by our former manager, this promises to be a phenomenally incredible summer.

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