Enner Valencia makes his first league start since joining on loan from West Ham
Everton 2 - 1 ArsenalEnner Valencia made his first Premier League start, two-and-a-half months after joining, while Phil Jagielka and Ross Barkley were recalled to the starting XI.
James McCarthy came in for Gareth Barry who can no longer play three games in the space of nine days, while Aaron Lennon replaced Gerard Deulofeu. Kevin Mirallas dropped back to the bench to accommodate Valencia while Dominic Calvert-Lewin is named among the subs again.
Everton made the slowest and most tentative start imaginable, backing off their illustrious guests, ceding position, playing the ball backwards rather than forwards, taking no risks, doing everything possible to prevent the home side from getting sight of goal.
They held out for barely 18 minutes, and the first real Arsenal attack which was ended early when Jagielka fouled Coquelin and earned a yellow card. The Sanchez free-kick spun off Williams in the wall and Stekelenburg could not readjust to get all of his hand in the way to prevent it ending up in the Gwladys Street net.
In an advanced position down the right, Barkley and Valencia contrived to play pass-the-parcel rather than risk a cross into the crowded Arsenal area, and ended up turning possession over cheaply with no end product.
Coleman got forward but could only hit a defender and earn another corner, this one better from Barkley, headed well over by Valencia. A moment of better possession around the Arsenal area was spoilt by a lousy reverse ball from McCarthy and any impetus was lost.
Barkley needlessly passed to an Arsenal player but Lennon picked up the ball and ran forward, much to the approval of the increasingly frustrated crowd, only to scoop his cross behind. The Blues were now trying their best but the play simply wasn't good enough to create even a half-chance.
Barkley tried to play in Valencia at the far post but the ball spun away off the slick Goodison turf. Lukaku got the ball to feet from McCarthy but lashed his shot early, high and wide. But at least the Blues were taking the game forward, into Arsenal's half...
Barkley launched in a free-kick that Arsenal fumbled, Lennon snatching at the bouncing ball, which flew wide. At the other end, it was ping-pong in the Everton area from an Arsenal corner, and Everton were attacking again, but McCarthy stupidly stamped on and ankle after he was not awarded a free-kick for a nothing previous tumble, a yellow card from pure fume. Then, a quality cross from Baines, Coleman up like a swan, and a lovely glancing header down into the bottom corner to draw level, a nice simple, clever skillful goal from the full-backs, showing perhaps they are good enough!
Everton struggled a little after the break, and were lucky when Coleman gave the ball away and Ozil seemed to have a simple job to convert a fine cut-back but he stroked it over. At the other end, a fine run through the middle was ended abruptly and illegally. Baines and Barkley played the dummy, Barkley hitting the jumping Arsenal wall when more guile was required.
Stekelenburg was out smartly to cut out danger and collided heavily with Baines. Robles was immediately summoned from the bench, but his damaged knee seemed to recover after application of the magic sponge.
From the restart, Barkley took a shot across Cech's goal and inches wide. The Blues were making something of a game of it, Valencia trying to pick out Lukaku, who had positioned himself well enough but a defender intervened. At the other end, some strong defending was needed as the tempo of the game increased, a clearance to Lukaku controlled with all the skill of an injured elephant. Pressure was building on the Blues, and finally Mirallas was called on for Lennon.
The Blues did a bit of attacking without threatening before the Arsenal pressure resumed, Williams tackling well, and Lukaku getting released and running in from the half-way line but his shot deflected into the side netting, good effort from the big man.
Barkley danced past his marker and fired in a fine low, cross, but Lukaku had his back to goal and could not find a blue shirt with his lay-off. An Arsenal mistake and Mirallas broke free, to Lukaku, but they were just not quick enough to make a real chance of it, yet the Force was now with the Blues who were making a real game of it.
Arsenal got behind the Blues but Iwobi could only fluff it into the side netting. Meanwhile, a stunning move by Koeman, a debut for U23 star Dominic Calvert-Lewin, 19 years old, given all of 10 minutes plus to get a taste of the bright lights... on in place of Valencia.
The home side were attacking but perhaps flagging in energy and somewhat bereft of fresh ideas, as crosses were too easily anticipated by the Gunners defence. But Gueye looked to run in the channel off a throw-in, only for the ball to go through lamely to Cecch. McCarthy was cut down by Koscielny, the free-kick curled in by Baines superbly, and headed behind by Calvert-Lewin off a defender. From the corner, Jagielka lashed a snapshot goalwards only for Cech to pull off a miraculous save.
Another corner for Everton, swung in superbly by Barkley and headed down smartly at the far post by Williams, the ball bouncing up past Cech into the Arsenal net, much to the collective delight of the raucous Blues.
A tremendous atmosphere now beneath the Goodison lights, Stekenburg tested, with a looped in ball, then Funes Mori on for McCarthy to hold the fort for 4 added minutes.
Barkley broke into the area and fired at Cech, winning a corner, taken short and then back all the way to Stekelenburg. But Arsenal got the ball and attacked, Coleman had to head behind, and a corner needed defending, then Jagielka holding Perez, earned a second yellow card and red in the last minute of added time.
From the free-kick, a fine punch by Stekelenburg, then another brave punch, followed by and TWO desperate last-ditch clearances off the Everton line, then Mirallas appearing to foul in the area but Clattenburg could see he got the ball, as it broke for the Blues with Cech stranded, having come up for the corner. Fast-forward to the other end and Barkley set to score, then Mirallas, waiting too long for the ball to come to him, but neither could finish what should have been a goal on a plate.A tremendous, frenetic finish, and it should really have been 3-1 after that madness, but it mattered not a jot, as the Blues notched up an excellent win over high-flying Arsenal (only their second defeat of the season... their first away from The Emirates in NINE MONTHS!), to maintain their unbeaten record this season at Goodison Park.
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1 Posted 13/12/2016 at 18:58:42
Although I do think Geri was our best player on Saturday!
2 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:06:54
3 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:06:56
Valencia might just surprise. He can't do any worse than what we have witnessed lately.
McCarthy wants out, however, if there was a queue waiting to leave, he would be nowhere near the front of it.
I'll take a point now!
4 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:13:55
With us playing tonight and then next Monday, we can't have our weekend ruined!
5 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:18:35
This team should've been the one to play Watford not to a very good team like Arsenal!!
We've had joy against Arsenal at home playing 4-5-1 filling the space and counter attacking!!
4-4-2 is very brave against a flying Arsenal in fact in my opinion it's plain stupid it smack's of deperation but I honestly really hope I am proved wrong and it all comes together but my gut feeling is it could be another demoralising beating right before the derby!!
6 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:19:51
Also don't understand the renewed inclusions of Barkley and Lennon.
3 centre midfielders and a winger. Hardly balanced.
Should've been Barkley, Gueye, Deulofeu and Mirallas.
I really can't make any sense of Koeman's team selections.
7 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:26:49
I'd like to see Calvert-Lewin get 20 minutes from the bench but I won't hold my breath.
8 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:27:31
9 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:30:01
10 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:33:00
11 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:35:51
12 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:40:24
I would love to see Barkley and Lennon really shine for once.
13 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:44:21
It's Williams that should have been dropped.
Prediction: 4-1 to Arsenal.
14 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:49:09
16 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:51:14
17 Posted 13/12/2016 at 19:57:01
18 Posted 13/12/2016 at 20:08:33
This is bad, bad stuff.
19 Posted 13/12/2016 at 20:09:35
Our manager is out of his depth... completely clueless with this starting 11, tactics... Sooner he goes, the better.
20 Posted 13/12/2016 at 20:17:08
Stek is the worst goalie I have ever seen play for Everton and he's another player who only gets a game because Koeman signed him and he won't drop him because he thinks he'll lose face. Utter tripe.
I've finally lost my faith in the man. I am bewildered by him. Utter nonsense. It's no wonder the team don't know their arse from their elbow.
22 Posted 13/12/2016 at 20:36:56
Good stuff in the last 20 mins. More urgency, movement, closing down.
Valencia has been great. Lukaku has been gash. I'd replace him with Deloufeu.
24 Posted 13/12/2016 at 20:47:54
25 Posted 13/12/2016 at 20:48:54
26 Posted 13/12/2016 at 20:53:31
Surely we can't win??
27 Posted 13/12/2016 at 20:59:56
28 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:20:09
29 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:30:11
30 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:35:19
Long periods of dominance. Great crowd. Good football.
Weak link for me is Lukaku. Everybody else (I'm absolving Williams if his earlier sins for obvious reasons) had a good/great game.
Hopefully we've crossed the Rubicon.
31 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:38:50
32 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:41:19
This could be the catalyst!!!
33 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:42:57
34 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:43:13
36 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:45:59
Lost a fiver, happy days...
37 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:46:22
Could this be our Neville-on-Ronaldo moment?
38 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:47:21
39 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:47:39
40 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:49:31
Also, Darren Hind, you posted a cracker tonight that I cannot trace. It was a real good post on whatever thread, but it confirmed for me that I should have a bet on Everton that would not be a fucking scud. A great night.
41 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:52:03
Great result and well deserved but where were these great players in the last ten games?
Honest words must have been spoken by the look of it and some players clearly responded.
It's like lancing a boil for me.
Feel amazingly relieved and delighted.
42 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:53:14
And on Thursday my squash match is against Arsenal season ticket holder Mark Robson. Who'd be a blue? Come on!!!!!!!
43 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:53:50
Arsenal should know not to mess with the big boys.
44 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:54:01
Thank you lads!!
45 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:54:07
46 Posted 13/12/2016 at 21:55:44
Bainesy - awesome cross and even better goal-line clearance at end!
Lennon 100% pass accuracy! lol
Every player was great, apart from Lukaku.
47 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:02:33
48 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:04:51
Well done to Koeman for also changing it and playing Valenica alongside Lukaku.
49 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:08:41
Valencia made a huge difference and showed he is useful. Baines much more his old self and Gana absolutely brilliant.
Oh, and what support!!!
50 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:09:59
Well done lads, and keep this spirit up!! Bring on those Reds next week and we'll do them too!!!! COYB NSNO!!!!!
52 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:14:21
Interesting comments from Howard Webb on BT saying Goodison is the best place in the league when the atmosphere gets up to tonight's level.
53 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:15:59
It was good to see that it meant something to them tonight. Hopefully we kick in again from here with the big one looming.
54 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:16:14
I didn't give us a hope of even getting a point this evening. True to form Everton were consistent in being unpredictable. We were awesome in the 2nd half.
Koeman seems to have taken heed of some of the criticism. He played Valencia from the start. Not sure we should shell out 㾺m but he's looking a decent loan. He's an upgrade on Kone and could yet, be our Shane Long.
The manager also blooded Calvert-Lewin. I hope we see more of him. He didn't do much, but he worked his socks off running around. You could tell how much it meant to the lad. He gives us height and might do some of the work Lukaku should be doing more of pressing up top.
Gana was the clear man of the match, he covered every blade of grass and epitomised the team spirit tonight.
Special mention for Barkley. He was back to his best tonight. He worked hard and put in some very good diagonal and through ball passes.
55 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:16:52
56 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:17:42
These are NOT crap players and Koeman is NOT a crap manager.
57 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:18:37
As was Enner Valencia for the first 60-70 mins. He was terrific as was pretty much everyone else. Gueye and Valencia led by example for me and after a really shaky 20 mins I thought Ross was excellent too.
They scored and we started playing and most importantly we started working hard which gets its reward in due course. Arsenal are a quality side and we bossed them around tonight, especially second half.
58 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:20:32
There will be some heartache to come but I really believe this is a turning point.
59 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:22:09
Finally Everton players understand what is required.
Great, loving it and fully deserved . By far the better team in the second half. fight, passion, energy, determination, everything that was missing in the last several games
Anyone calling for Koeman's head tonight?
So on to Monday and the the next bounce on the see saw.
Get beat and it's Koeman out again presumably. And despair everywhere.
Enjoy it but please some balance.on Monday. Might even win again. 2 on the trot. Fantastic
60 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:23:05
61 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:23:25
The staff, team and crowd, brilliant.
62 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:24:33
63 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:25:18
Don't bring in Barry. He is leggy and easily turned, resulting in cheap free kicks. Both full backs better tonight as recently have both been poor in defence and link up play going forward.
64 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:26:53
Derby next. Bring it on. COYBB.
65 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:29:41
66 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:30:08
I was delighted Koeman played McCarthy in his proper position beside Gueye, with Barkley more forward. Barry has been a great servant, but his legs are gone.
Goodison was rocking tonight, and we looked a totally different team.
67 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:30:40
68 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:31:23
I feel like a weight has been lifted.... Pathetic for a man of my advanced years.
69 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:31:56
I'm a massive fan of Lukaku, I debated many times with posters last season, who said he isn't worth 㿊m, let alone 㿨m. As a goal scorer he's 2nd to none, but if he's ever to become a player as good as a Diego Costa or Aguero, he needs to become a better player and not just a goal scorer.
As for tonight, he worked harder than Saturday and he did make runs, but it could still be better. Coleman was shouting at him to get moving more at one point in the 2nd half.
It was a great team performance and a massive lift in confidence to take into the game against the RS. I'm going to be more pessimistic this season. I'm not going to get too carried away with one performance. I did that last season...beating City at home springs to mind. That all said, It's definitely restored some of the belief I had lost over the last couple of months.
70 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:32:06
71 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:35:00
What a difference having Valencia on with Lukaku.
I thought the entire team played well, my MotM goes to Gana Gueye.
72 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:35:39
73 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:36:38
After first 20 mins I thought "Here we go again..." but someone threw a switch and we were a different team, they played aggressive and went for it, big difference.
That puts our reputation as a club back in the ring again, they need to show that work ethic when they're away from home too.
A very good night for all in royal blue, makes for a much more positive attitude.
74 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:37:30
Great spirit shown by the players, Good motivation and organisation by the manager who was typically blunt and honest in his post match interview and magnificent support from the crowd.
Let's just hope we can build on that.
Special mention for Lennon, Gueye, Seamus and Valencia who all worked their tripes off all night.
75 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:37:57
Barkley was majestic I thought, Gueye is one of our best ever and Baines was also rejuvenated tonight. Special mention to Valencia who worked his socks off and made a big difference. But they were all fantastic.
I hereby withdraw my suggestion that Ronald should be sacked. I'm sure he'll be relieved.
76 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:37:58
We need more atmospheres like tonight. There's no doubt that the crowd responded to the effort and the players responded to the crowd.
77 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:38:07
78 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:40:46
This is the night he became one of us... the lads responded to the crowd, and the whole of us together made things happen.
Now let's consolidate and not lose to Them on Monday!
I am having a very large Scotch, cheers all!
79 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:41:24
I know what you mean, but I was in the family enclosure with grandson and grand daughter and, although Lukaku did try to come back and help a couple of times I could hear the entire management team screaming at him to stay where he was obviously worried that if Lukaku dropped backed Arsenal would have been able to just march on to us. In fairness he was prepared to do it.
A lot of us have been on Koemans case recently saying he didn't have the balls for the job, well he didn't just roll the dice tonight, by bringing on Calvert-Lewin, he made sure they stayed rolled. If we are going to murder him when he gets it wrong (and we have) then we have a moral obligation to praise him when he gets it right.
Koeman went through the mill tonight, I spent as much time watching him as I did watching the match. Mr Misery was dancing around like a daft twat when Williams scored. I think Evertonia gained a new member tonight.
Made up for Koeman, made up for you lot and as the Red Breast I was saving for Chrimbo has just been cracked open, I'm proper made up for me.
We don't half suffer, but on nights like tonight, being Blue feels like being royalty.
80 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:42:06
81 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:42:45
Barkley was near back to his best, but Valencia was a real star, worked his socks off and took a load of a Lukaku.
Even if we'd had drawn, I still was thankful by the performance.
82 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:43:00
Well done to all who were there. Who to give the armband to? I wouldn't change the formation, bring in Funes Mori and give it to Coleman.
83 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:43:09
Fight more... run more... he ordered. They listened... 3 points.
Like the old bear pit days at Goodison tonight.
84 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:43:15
85 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:44:36
That's Everton that.
86 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:45:23
87 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:45:47
88 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:46:22
About time we had a little luck, but I'm a great believer in earning your luck, and we did that tonight.
I think next week will be tougher but I now feel we have a real chance. Beat them and confidence will skyrocket.
89 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:47:58
90 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:48:02
Spot on, I thought the crowd were unreal tonight and the noise, passion, fight etc will have got under the skin of Koeman and some of the players.
There is no ground like Goodison when we win like that, it's a special place.
91 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:48:13
Took my daughter to the match who is over from Oz and probably now thinks every game is like this...
92 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:49:47
Upped the work rate and the old lady rocked under the lights, I just love games like these. It's funny the number of teams we have beaten under the lights when the place rocks. A sleepy Sunday lunch time and I wouldn't have fancied us, but under the lights, it's special.
Good shift from Ross, Valencia, McCarthy, Gueye, and the full backs. Now keep the tempo like that please!
93 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:49:55
The lad loves our club and he already has experience with Ireland's armband; a no-brainer for me for the derby
94 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:50:42
What a day! What a night! Sometimes all the crap is just simply worth it for little moments in life like today.
COYB! Onwards and upwards kiddas!! ðŸ‘
95 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:50:54
But neither of them will stop me feeling on top of the world tonight. COYB!
96 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:50:56
Arsenal in my opinion have been better than the shite this season, so there is no reason we can't do more of the same to them.
Such a great result that I have only just remembered that Jags was sent off! Onwards & upwards! COYB!
97 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:53:07
It's funny what football does to us so low to so high in 90 mins!!
Glad he played the 4-5-1 as I feared he was playing 4-4-2 when I seen the team. Hat's off to Koeman and the player's and especially Jimmy Mac and Coleman who played with fire!
Coleman MOM for me the man's attitude is second to none I loved him screaming at Lukaku when he switched off near the end of the game!
98 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:53:10
99 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:53:14
Perfect alignment! Made up for you, your lass and your Nan.
100 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:53:38
Much needed. Long may it continue. ðŸ™
101 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:53:51
An Evertonians life summed up in 2 minutes.
102 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:53:55
1. Everton were very PHYSICAL bloody hell, when I last checked football was a physical game. I don't remember Coquelin pulling out of too many tackles.
2. It was like a CUP game for them don't get ahead of yourself, Arsene. We have been terrible of late and needed to show some passion. We would have needed the same passion even if we were playing Sunderland.
About our team and players I was not convinced by the starting line-up as I felt McCarthy shouldn't have started. Defense was still quite shaky and I would prefer Holgate partnering Williams rather than Funes Mori for the Derby. Gana was immense and we need to tie him down to a long term deal and put in an insane release clause like £100M! Barkley was much better and pressed hard even when not on the ball.
Valencia was good but got tired as we went on. Lukaku was better but still has a terrible first touch and doesn't look up to see where his team-mates are would have had a 3rd easily when Cech went walkabout at the end.
Overall, it was great to wake up at 1:15 am and feel good at 3:15 when the game ended. This will keep me buzzing till the derby... COYB
One final note about Coleman I haven't seen a more humble and grounded player with passion for the club like him. He is always so vocal on the pitch and wears his heart on his sleeve... CAPTAIN!
103 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:55:38
Very well done.
104 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:58:40
Wonder if he will be joining Ron for a glass of wine?
105 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:59:13
Just a word for McCarthy who had a very good game alongside Gueye. His physical presence was vital in midfield. The performance had nothing to do with tactics or formation but everything to do with effort and determination.
In some ways, the biggest games are the easiest to play and certainly the easiest for the crowd if they can see the team trying their best. That was by some distance the best performance and result in the league in this calendar year. The question now is whether or not they can maintain that level of effort for two consecutive matches. Let's hope they can.
Why was an Arsenal player not booked for the foul on Baines when he was running towards the Street End penalty area in the second half?
106 Posted 13/12/2016 at 22:59:54
I am happy that Koeman read my mind. (And glad he did not read that part of my mind who would have benched Coleman as well after the watford game).
Awful first 20 minutes but a fantastic effort to turn everything around. Fight, passion, crowd support etc. For me it was almost like a Neville tackle Ronaldo moment when both Barkley and Lukaku put in a shift to chase the Arsenal players and the crowd applauded them. It looked to me that we got it going through the hard work.
I was supposed to have been at Goodison for the match. It was scheduled for Wednesday and I have an air ticket tomorrow morning. Unfortunately the match was moved back to Tuesday so now I have a ticket Copenhagen - Manchester tomorrow morning that I won't use. Anyway still going for the weekend and look forward to being on Goodison for the derby. Hope we will have the same atmosphere on Monday.
107 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:00:01
108 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:00:26
109 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:00:30
110 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:00:35
Him leaving bang on time after every training session and not watching the youths at all added to the lack of belief in him as a manager. I think tonight he was forced to change and he reaped the benefits.
I think he has got to know what we are all about tonight
111 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:02:29
112 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:05:18
113 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:05:27
114 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:07:52
115 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:09:44
116 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:10:37
117 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:16:03
118 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:16:47
119 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:16:53
Show Wenger for what he is classless.
Koeman seemed feisty tonight. Not going to take nonsense from anyone. Really pleased for him. I hope he shows the same passion next week.
120 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:17:34
Barkley had a fine game and one hopes they all are ready for Monday's battle. The RS must have been licking their lips after the first 20 minutes display but may be more than a little nervous now.
I still see some poor defensive covering by certain players but hope Koeman has identified this after the game. The defensive covering and closing down has been the major problem this season and has cost them badly.
I am afraid Jags. is a shadow of his former self and at 34 should only be used sparingly like John Terry. Having said that, Williams isn't much younger and Holgate should be getting his chance soon.
Coleman is the ace in the pack in the penalty area and it's a pity he cannot pop up there more often. Like everyone else, I was hoping today would be a turning point and, if it is to be, then I cannot wait for the next match.
121 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:17:50
122 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:18:23
Always great to win but we abso-fucking-needed that.
And if we can show that effort, will, sweat, desire in EVERY game (and we should!) we'll all be able to relax... a bit.
That's it really.
Well done all and up the Toffees!
123 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:21:16
125 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:24:14
What Koeman did against Watford was absolute amateur stuff. It couldn't work and it didn't in spectacular fashion. Tonight he rectified it. Simple stuff we weren't great and didn't exactly create much but you give yourself a chance if you setup to have a go. It's the minimum standard!
So onto the derby on a bit of a high. I didn't see that coming. Come on you Blues!
126 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:27:38
Most of us know what we are, and what we are not.
Arsenal have much better players, there a much better team, were in fine form, but they don't like teams who get stuck in and get in there faces.
We are pretty average in comparison, we don't have any world class players, we are on an awful run, and our fans are rightly groaning and moaning.
But if our team give us that effort,they will get our support, and that support can make the difference, we can give the team that extra 10-20%.
Message to Ronny, practice what you preach and the fans will back you. You tell everyone we play a high pressing game, we don't, but if we do from now on the fans will back you all the way.
Now for the Red Shite! ðŸ‘Š
127 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:31:08
After they scored, something just clicked, and for me, the two DMs and Seamus seemed to drive the side on, knocking Arsenal out of their stride. If Koeman doesn't tinker too much for the derby (just Funes Mori for the suspended Jagielka), then I really believe we could get a result unthinkable only a day ago
128 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:38:26
I can dream now about the week when we beat Arse and the shite under the lights at the Old Lady... dreams can come true, can't they?
129 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:44:18
130 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:44:23
The three or four tackles midway through the frst half set the tone for the rest of the game. The only point in the game that we looked as if we might lose was around the 70-75 minute mark when the lads had to take a breather but they regrouped and should really have sewn it up in the last 10 minutes.
That was a fully deserved victory and special mentions for Williams who recovered after an iffy start and Barkley who looked the player we all want him to be particularly in the second half. How great it was to hear the ground getting right behind the team that's how it should always be and we can expect similar next time out.
131 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:44:29
Actually, I think tonight shows exactly why Lukaku deserves criticism.
As happy as I am after what I witnessed tonight, it begs the obvious question:
Why can't these highly paid pros show that fight and determination (which undoubtedly won us the game) every fucking game?!
I didn't see fight and determination from Rom, or the quality which gets the so-called luxury attackers a bye-ball when they're not putting a shift in.
His poor "cross" in the first half when he was in typifies him he immediately wanted to blame the 3 guys who took up great positions, when his ball was beyond shite!
There is so much more he can give us with easy improvements in basic areas. The way he turned and ran his man so easily 2nd half is just a glimpse of what we should be seeing.
I don't think I'm asking much he's well compensated for the lack of effort we see.
132 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:45:00
133 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:50:04
And rightly so!
134 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:52:54
1st booking wasn't his fault but saved a goal.
2nd he got himself into trouble but HAD to make foul so, er... fair play!
Koeman was still buzzing in interview couldn't stand still!
Wish we could play the shite tomorrow night, but a Monday night is so much better than a Saturday morning particularly after what the fans and players gave each other tonight (while United fans boo their own player).
Well done Blue Boys close MotM, behind Gana of course!
135 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:56:18
136 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:56:50
Though Baines had his best game for quite a while, and Valencia worked his socks off. We looked so much better with him supporting Lukaku.
Finally, hats off to every one of those Everton fans who were at Goodison tonight, you were incredible just loved Ian Wright's comment on BT "How can it be fair when we were playing against 12 men with that crowd?" priceless.
137 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:57:48
Nearly every single thread is about Ronald Koeman and what he's doing at Finch Farm. Far too simplistic for my liking. Anyone asked why James McCarthy has just performed once in 18 months?
Does every player need to be slated before they perform for 90 mins on a match day? Just all a bit strange on here lately. Good players don't need motivating. Great players can play anywhere.
138 Posted 13/12/2016 at 23:59:51
Just home after a couple of pints, having moaned this week about not enjoying going to the match anymore, that was a really entertaining game. There's nothing better than a snarling Goodison under the lights. And for a few players, and the manager and his brother, that's the first time they have tasted it.
My verdict on Ronald was undecided before the match, and still is. He is a man of huge experience, a football winner, but his performance to date has been very peculiar. How much was tonight's victory down to his tactics, and how much was it down to the chemistry of players and crowd? Not the time for over-analysis now, let's just enjoy the result and in particular those mad last few minutes.
139 Posted 13/12/2016 at 00:04:28
Dunno if it was manager or fans, but something kick-started us tonight... I was dreading watching for the first time in a long time.
Tactics aren't always intricate â€“ a simple "get about them, close them down, rough them up, and it forward quickly and accurately" and be very effective â€“ as we've seen.
Both teams were out to WIN that game and there was no chance it would end 1-1... I'm sure neutrals enjoyed it but nowhere near as much as us!
140 Posted 13/12/2016 at 00:05:55
141 Posted 14/12/2016 at 00:06:39
142 Posted 13/12/2016 at 00:22:08
Sorry I can't take your posts seriously when you contradict yourself in the same post. You didn't see anything from Lukaku but then you lament that we should be seeing more of some great play that he did in the second half (which presumably you saw?). Make your mind up will you?
The only thing I'm sure of is that you have decided you want to criticise him. Fair enough, your prerogative.
But asking why footballers can't always be brilliant 100% of the time in every game is a ridiculous question. It doesn't work that way.
The team is, in my opinion, largely still Martinez's and is in a transition. It took him 3/4 of his first season to shake off the discipline and teamwork he had inherited and replace some good habits (strong work ethic and teamwork) with his own abhorrent brand of lazy, complacent, deluded, casual attitude with misplaced self belief (my words and my opinion).
People expecting an instant fix of that poor attitude are deluded in my opinion as it is more difficult to shake off bad habits than good ones. I think tonight was a down payment towards where we want to be over the next 12 months.
I also don't think it is a coincidence that players leading by example tonight (peer pressure being a powerful motivator) were players brought in by Koeman in Gueye and Valencia, ably assisted by Baines and Coleman, who clearly have a great deal of personal pride also. Players like Ross who I think lacks some self confidence will clearly feed off that in a virtuous circle. The only real disappointment for me tonight was Mirallas.
Pride and self belief are what we need now, that's what sets aside winners from losers.
143 Posted 14/12/2016 at 00:22:51
After the first 20 minutes, we were by far the better team and deserved the win. All the players did well especially Gana and Williams. Did Stekelenburg have to make a save? Maybe this is a turning point!
Let's hope Koeman doesn't tinker and plays the same starting eleven with the same motivation on Monday (minus Jags of course). I agree we seem faster without Barry he's so slow, he keeps mistiming tackles and ceding possession.
144 Posted 13/12/2016 at 00:36:18
145 Posted 14/12/2016 at 00:36:23
Lukaku showed one glimpse of good play (then fluffed it at the end of said play).
Are you happy for our 𧴜k (or whatever) talisman to beat his man ONCE in a game, horribly slice EVERY shot he attempted, fluff EVERY cross he attempted, and show very little effort elsewhere in the game he was shown up by the other guys.
Didn't bother reading the rest of of your post. I was his biggest fan/apologist for a long time, but I've definitely had enough of his shite!
For the record I think we're crying out for a luxury creative player who can produce quality in the final 3rd and can be excused the off-the-ball exertions required of the other 9. Lukaku's lack of effort, awareness, passing ability, shooting ability, crossing ability, control, teamwork, etc, just make him tedious at best. Frustrating, more appropriate, as he's capable of so much better than he's showing us.
146 Posted 14/12/2016 at 00:45:31
147 Posted 14/12/2016 at 00:49:14
I don't expect 100% brilliance, I DEMAND 100% fight, effort and determination... and so should you.
Out-playing quality opposition every week is never going to happen.
However, guys that are paid millions every year, to train all week and play the game we love for the club we love, should be fit and motivated enough to show the fight we seen tonight, EVERY game.
When was the last time you witnessed that kind of commitment from Rom??
148 Posted 14/12/2016 at 00:55:07
He ran his socks off, the whole game including an immense 50-yard run in the second half, (but he's lazy the critics say), in which he looked like the Polar Express on speed. I thought when he did receive the ball, his hold up play and distribution was superb.
More of the same please Rom.
149 Posted 14/12/2016 at 01:01:29
Great 50-yard run, albeit poor end product.
Can you specify and great passes or great link-ups?
Also, Rom used to have a hammer of a left foot. Is it just me, or do all his attempted power shots end up in keepers arms or Row Z these days? When was the last time he smashed one in from 20 yards?
Not trying to be downer on a magnificent night, but he needs to give us more.
I do want him to succeed with us what you're reading is my frustration... bring back the dreadlocks!! Lol
150 Posted 14/12/2016 at 01:05:34
151 Posted 14/12/2016 at 01:16:14
They are quite generous and impartial for once.
152 Posted 14/12/2016 at 02:20:10
Max Murphy (#13)
Dutch Dickhead! Dropping Deulofeu - the only player who'd showed a bit of enterprise on Saturday. He should persist with Gerry and Mirallas - given enough time they'll create and score goals.
It's Williams that should have been dropped.
Prediction: 4-1 to Arsenal.
Very surprising that you did not come back on, Max, to discuss your prediction and insulting comments about Koeman. Very surprising indeed! But then I remembered that you never ever say anything constructive or positive on here.
I suspect that you and others who surprisingly are not on this post-match thread but as night follows day will pop on when we lose will be quiet for a few days now.
But don't worry there's always the Monday derby, lad, and who knows... we might end up losing that and you can get those knives sharpened and let loose like a goodun.
153 Posted 14/12/2016 at 03:04:28
Team for the derby? Ramiro won't let us down. He may make mistakes, but the current Argentina CB is a scrapper and there may be one or two RS players who would rather face an English opponent. Tonight's midfield? Barry on the bench? RK will have to work that one out.
Valencia and probably Lennon too staked their claims, very successfully. And much will be expected of Ross, who I think is now bound to start.
154 Posted 14/12/2016 at 03:08:28
The work rate covered the deficiencies we've carried to date. We didn't create much but did take our chances, we rode our luck too. But these are all ingredients to grow our confidence.
Dreadful for the first 20 minutes, Arsenal became too passive and we crept back into the game. A nice feeling to win a big game for sure. New yellow bobble hat feels lucky too.
Yet I still want to chide Lukaku, lorded today as having played his best game this season. I spent the game lamenting his rotten touch, I will cede some balls did stick, but too often he wasted our out ball and put us back under the pump. Our best moments didn't include Rom and at one point with Koeman being bold I thought he might pull the big lad. How lazy was his pass at the death with Cech absconded?
Sadly we glimpsed what things look like without Barry. His shadow of professionalism and consistency has cast how poor other midfielders are for 3 years. Hopefully his excellence can be used in other ways but he should take a back seat. Indeed my Villa connections say he will leave in January to rejoin the Villa. It seems a fitting end to a very good player?
I hope Koeman sticks with the plan, albeit not the personnel. He has still to convince me he his up to the job. And I think the winless run was largely his doing. He himself was the most animated he has been on the touch line, nodding in both headers himself.
I hope both the Man Utd and the performance tonight aren't just pride kicking in with the players and they can reproduce that intensity against Leicester and Hull for starters.
155 Posted 14/12/2016 at 06:02:09
Rom has had to endure ball after ball hacked up the middle, all in the air. No, he isn't the most gifted controller of a football, but has power and pace and an evil eye for a goal. All this is wasted by making run after run into space and not receiving that first-time pass.
A commentator made a remark "Look at Lukaku, he's not even attacking the 6-yard box" the central defenders are looking for him therefore taking their attention from other players. Rom is not a problem, as we used to chant "feed the Yak and he will score" for Yakubu; same goes for him.
Everyone put in a good shift tonight still a lot of casual, sloppy passing. My only gripe is Barkley, he has no sense of awareness. He is constantly picking the wrong pass, 1 in 10 is hitting his target. He will not improve at Goodison, he needs to move on for his sake and Everton's.
Alan Stubbs made a comment on the Arsenal goal, add that the errors leading up to the free-kick were the ultimate cause for the calamity that followed.
My view in many cases is that there always seem to be culpability. A player losing the ball and not chasing back, a casual pass and not trying to retrieve the ball, players not tracking back, players arm waving and pointing, when the situation has past, bollock the player who has not put that effort in.
For an hour Goodison rocked â€“ there is no better place to be in football â€“ she is a volcano if our team become the molten lava. Give us that fire, Everton, give us that fire.
156 Posted 14/12/2016 at 06:18:26
I think that run in particular galvanised some of the others when they might have been feeling the pace. The players were up for it tonight, albeit after a slow start, and even ref Clatterbridge had a decent game!
157 Posted 14/12/2016 at 06:30:36
Sorry, Philip with respect utterly ridiculous. 'Constantly picking the wrong pass, 1 in 10 hitting his target'.
There's no word for this travesty of Ross's performance. Small hint, lad watch the entire game, look at Ross's passes, I think it's near 9 in 10 completed.
He needs to move 'for our sake'. Completely ridiculous!
The way you people pick on Ross to the extent of misrepresenting / lying about his performance to suit your needs beggars belief.
This utter jewel needs encouragement from us yet you go out of your way to damn him in one of his best games this season.Nice one lad. That really helps him and us and we move on and get better.
158 Posted 14/12/2016 at 06:48:44
After that every tackle, every confrontation was an opportunity to hurt and intimidate an Arsenal player and was taken (with one large and expensive exception).
I think last night we saw that the team needs a gobby and aggressive Irishman as captain instead of a decent and gentlemanly Englishman (albeit one with a Polish name). Jagielka reminds me a bit of Brian Labone in attitude, a Corinthian in approach (okay, the odd bit of shirt pulling doesn't help my argument), and when he does collect cards it's far more likely to be mistiming than malice. Seamus Coleman, on the other hand brings some seriously demented Irish passion and unthinking positivity along with the occasional tendency to get stuck right in.
This Everton team is not composed of 11 Peles and Cruyffs, and we saw tonight that a fighting approach was enough to intimidate and beat a very good Arsenal side.
Seamus for captain!
159 Posted 14/12/2016 at 07:18:04
160 Posted 14/12/2016 at 07:29:28
The atmosphere around Finch Farm should have a real buzz around it this week now, let's see the boys enjoying their football and building a bit of team spirit. All we want is for them to have a proper go at teams, do that and this is of the sort of reward you get. Now let's double that effort on Monday night, eh, lads...
A swallow does not a summer make but fingers crossed this is a turning point in our season and Koeman's tenure.
161 Posted 14/12/2016 at 07:33:23
162 Posted 14/12/2016 at 07:53:33
Guess we all see games differently but I didn't see the amazing game that Barkley supposedly had. For me he is still a passenger. Game just bypasses him and he takes the wrong option too many times. McCarthy was constantly ahead of him doing the pressing on the Arsenal defence because Barkley wouldn't.
Great atmosphere at the game and this was the kind of game we definitely needed ahead of the RS next week. As others have said, at last a bit of fight and passion. Coleman and Baines were also excellent and Iwould give Coleman the captains armband for the derby. Loved the way he got in Arsenal's faces at half time. He has the fight and passion we need.
This had to be the yardstick now from which every performance is measured. Fall below these standards and it should rightly be judged a failure. Hopefully this is the turning point to our season. Hope springs eternal.
163 Posted 14/12/2016 at 08:05:04
Don't stand off teams and wait for their best players to pick a pass but get in their face and press them into mistakes.
Gueye was epic again. Gonna miss him a lot when he goes to AFCON.
164 Posted 14/12/2016 at 08:57:30
Thought Williams was poor throughout but his goal gave us the win.
Dave... Barkley DID have a good game!
165 Posted 14/12/2016 at 09:31:48
He's Ross Barkley, he's 23, he's better than 90% of our squad and he's the only central player who can pick a pass and run at defences, he can also whack a shot with either foot.
He didn't hit a hat-trick, but he claimed an assist and he played a decent part in our win, can't we be happy with that.
Just a side thought, how did Villa go down with Gana in there side, he's like 3 players!
166 Posted 14/12/2016 at 10:02:26
There's just a big hole in the centre of midfield where he is supposed to play where he isn't. Never closes down and wastes a lor of possession. I suppose technically he had an assist for a goal by taking a corner but how many of his corners last night failed to beat the first man?
I really do want him to succeed but ignoring his deficiencies and making him out to be something he is not won't do him any favours. Martinez did that for 3 years and look what happened.
167 Posted 14/12/2016 at 10:18:34
We fans can be soooooooo fickle at times.
168 Posted 14/12/2016 at 10:18:55
I was incensed with Barkley in the first 20 mins yesterday, screaming at him to switch on. He gave away possession a few times about 20 yards in front of me in the Paddock which led directly to breakaway attacks. He did this purely because, in my opinion, he was not properly concentrating and didn't have a proper "game head" on it was like a training ground exercise mentality. He wasn't putting the correct weight on easy passes which were given away.
But then he did seem to switch on and his game transformed. I thought he was very good for the last 65-70 mins. He made a real difference to our attack. His tracking back I think has improved a lot. I think he had a free pass under Martinez and was told not to bother about defending (in fact the whole team had this message, including the "defence").
But I don't think thankfully that he has this free pass anymore and he is improving. It won't happen overnight. Concentration and application throughout 90+ mins is what is required from the team and changing the mindset is the most difficult thing, because we still have a tendency to switch off as a team and, when we do, we get punished.
169 Posted 14/12/2016 at 10:28:47
170 Posted 14/12/2016 at 10:39:45
171 Posted 14/12/2016 at 10:41:35
Yes it was Clattenburg so was not expecting anything different, but once again it shows that referees should be held to account more so by publishing after match reports. Whilst the game was not particularly rough Arsenal did get the rub of the green on many more incidents than us.
All-in-all an excellent game overall in which we managed them for the first 20, albeit conceding a goal but after that where excellent.
More of this on Monday knowing this is 2 weekends that will not be ruined.
172 Posted 14/12/2016 at 12:04:37
This bunch of players have proved they have the right mindset at times. Gana has it all the time. Think of the difference Reid and Gray made to a half decent team in the 1980s, the difference they made to the young players around them. See how the crowd reacted to McCarthy and Lennon buzzing around the pitch. That's how effective the right mindset can be. Prof Carol Dweck's work on mindset is very interesting if you're curious.
I think he'll have to bring more of this mindset into the club in January or the summer. Hope the players recognise it in what they did last night.
173 Posted 14/12/2016 at 12:09:37
Well done, Jimmy Mac. Hope the penny has dropped.
174 Posted 14/12/2016 at 12:11:05
But much better. I thought Gueye was great, everywhere. We still need more from Rom. People praised him, but I thought McCarthy was a bit anonymous at times. Coleman has a fantastic attitude and played well, but his crossing needs to improve.
Did people see the argy-bargy at half-time just before the tunnel ? Anyone know what it was about?
You know what else was pleasing to see? Koeman celebrating like mad, great to see.
Set up nicely for the derby... surely we'll make a ton of noise? It really helped last night I think. And after the win confidence will be higher.
It feels strange not feeling pissed off!
Come on the Boro.
175 Posted 14/12/2016 at 12:27:07
The Dutch learn English in school from the age of 5 and they grow up watching UK/US telly, etc, so they generally speak it well.
Being articulate is different to speaking for native speakers, never mind the rest of us!
As long as he gets his messages across to the players, fine by me.
176 Posted 14/12/2016 at 13:26:53
Coquelin (who was more deserving of 2 yellows than Jags IMO) was having a go at McCarthy for the tackle and McCarthy just shoved him away so Coquelin got mad then Seamus intervened and held Coquelin back and basically told him to grow up.
177 Posted 14/12/2016 at 13:38:10
I gotta feeling we might just repeat the same trick next Monday night!!
3 points verses the RS will give us long-suffering Blues much Chrimbo cheer.
Play to our strengths, Ron, and we might just surprise a few, be brave... WE'RE EVERTON!!!
178 Posted 14/12/2016 at 13:48:25
Conversely, if you listen to the match commentary (Steve Mac) one moment near the end stands out in particular... one of our lads (Valencia?) was in possession to the left side of Arsenal's box surrounded by Arsenal players... Lukaku is walking somewhere near where Arsenal's right-back would line-up at kick-of, when he should be busting a gut to get into the box. That's what I find annoying about him.
Sure 'that' run was impressive but how many did he make ? he should be doing that at every opportunity in every game. Niasse may be shit but his work rate in the ressies is multiples that of Lukaku.
I'd like to see a comparison of distance covered between Ibra and Lukaku.
If you were blessed with Lukaku's talent and power and had the opportunity to wear the Everton shirt, wouldn't you, as a bare minimum, work a lot harder than he does ?
Given Kone is never going to play for us again I think Koeman should rip the #9 shirt of his back, hand it to Lukaku and tell him "Do this famous shirt proud".
179 Posted 14/12/2016 at 14:05:25
I couldn't disagree with you more.
"There's just a big hole in the centre of midfield where he is supposed to play" As far as I could see from my spot level with the half way line in the Top Balcony, he was playing a lot further up the pitch behind Lukaku.
"I suppose technically he had an assist for a goal by taking a corner but how many of his corners last night failed to beat the first man" So you're not giving him any credit for Williams goal because his other corners didn't produce goals?
"Making him out to be something he is not won't do him any favours. Martinez did that for 3 years and look what happened" From your comments about his lack of pressing and wasting possession, it seems you are trying to turn him into another McCarthy who runs around a lot and will always choose a nice safe backwards pass instead of a far more difficult defence splitting pass which could lead to a goal.
Ross was far from a passenger last night; he had a good game, after a shaky start and he is the only one who is prepared to take the ball on the half turn and drive at the opposition.
It's only opinions, but I fail to see why his faults are always pounced upon and any positives are ignored, or even discounted as per your comment above.
Only Lukaku gets the same level of coverage, and his faults are (in my opinion) worse than Barkley he has all the physical attributes but not the mental strength. He thinks he's already made it compare Diego Costa's recent performances for how a top level striker never switches off.
180 Posted 14/12/2016 at 14:16:28
I couldn't agree more re Lukaku its the high standards he can set against not getting anywhere near that level in games which attracts my critical eye.
I said last night, a couple of decent runs aside, and the odd lay off (for a change) he was a passenger. Sure he occupied his defender.
He was mostly on his heels, failed emphatically to hold the ball up when we were under pressure especially in the opening 15 mins of the 2nd half.
Was often static, when generally yesterday we were much closer to him than we've been in weeks.
The victory last night was achieved by carrying him. The icing on the cake was the pathetic poke after Cech was awol to Barkley. It was slow, behind him and ruined what should of been a third goal.
Despite a very good performance as a team, Rom has a long way to go to win many over. I personally think we don't need him. The key is of he doesn't score what does he do? Little in my opinion.
Cue 2 goals next Monday Rom lad.
181 Posted 14/12/2016 at 14:38:44
Sorry, but people talk about scoring goals like it is the easiest thing in the world to do. We have even had, in the last few days, posters on here claiming, without any apparent sense of irony, that they could do just as well. And apparently believing it.
Scoring goals in the Premiership isn't demonstrably that easy because a) that's why consistent goalscorers cost the most amount of money and b) hardly anyone else in this current team scores regularly.
Despite the myth of Martinez creating an attacking team, we haven't created very many chances consistently for some time now. In the main I think this is because we have had huge gaps between a slow and hesitant midfield and the lone forward. That fault seemed to be addressed and we looked much more cohesive when we finally started to play and press last night.
Mainly I think this was due to Gueye giving an excellent display of box to box midfield play plus Valencia cutting in from the right side of midfield into a supporting forward role at every opportunity. Once they pressed, both Barkley and McCarthy could also join in higher up the field (although McCarthy still drives me mad passing either backwards or sideways and destroying momentum of an attack instead of trying to play forward at pace).
Joined up midfield and attack eh? Seems like garlic bread, it's the future.
182 Posted 14/12/2016 at 15:19:14
Of course what I was trying to say was that our boys are in fact brilliant players, fully committed to the cause and Koeman is actually a genius tactician and motivator, and we will probably be in Europe next season.
I hope that clears up any misunderstanding. Thank you.
183 Posted 14/12/2016 at 15:34:04
184 Posted 14/12/2016 at 16:16:13
Liverpool have fast mobile forwards, therefore losing Jags may be good for us. Personally I'd opt for Holgate rather than Funes Mori to partner Williams. I'd make Seamus the skipper too, permanently.
The rest have earned the right to keep their shirts. Like others I've given up on Lukaku even wanting to add to his game but the deficiency of scorers makes him safe.
Ross is, well, Ross. Unlike Lukaku, I think he would like to improve but defensively he seems to labour under some sort of trauma from his serious injury years ago, hence next to no effort to tackle of get near to tackling. Offensively he can make a contribution but the frustration he causes when not selecting what to spectators is the screamingly obvious option will no doubt persist too.
Maybe we'll all have to settle for him remaining just a reasonably good player rather than what we all believe the sum of his parts should amount too â€“ the Scouse Zidane.
185 Posted 14/12/2016 at 17:15:34
I think the criticism of Jags is very unfair he has been a top notch professional for the past eight years, performing brilliantly and gaining the most England caps ever by an Everton player.
Yes, he has probably had his worst run of form ever recently but Koeman knows and sees his overall contribution to the team and I trust the judgement of a very successful international player and manager against weekly watching supporters. Jags will be back, I'm sure.
186 Posted 14/12/2016 at 19:05:12
Joe Have you ever wondered what Lukaku would be if he actually put effort in? I'm not exaggerating much by saying he puts as much effort in throwing his arms in the air, or mouthing off to team-mates when he does something wrong, than he does actually fighting for the cause!!
Diego Costa shout is a great one absolute nightmare for opposing defenders. He wasn't prolific at Atletico, but his various strike partners banged them in, off the back of his industry.
Drogba anyone?? That's what Lukaku should be he has the attributes.
187 Posted 14/12/2016 at 21:36:56
Have you ever considered that the sole factor in football that is of any value whatsoever is to score more goals than the opposition and that all the analysis during a game is just a means to that final end, however it is achieved? Over-analysing what isn't done whilst totally ignoring what actually is, is pretty much a waste of time. Lukaku has lots of faults as a footballer, we all know this, I'm not saying otherwise, but for all these faults he seems to be the one player who regularly finds the net. Many on here, like yourself, seem to want to pick on him and Ross for some reason unknown to me, except that they seem to be two of our best players who aren't allegedly performing to some arbitrary mark that has been set in some people's heads.
Since you want to apparently make comparisons with players you have decided are the paradigm of aspiration, do you actually watch football enough to know how absolutely shite your idol Costa was last season when he was bereft of support and service from his teammates? Let me tell you that his gesticulations around this frustration extended to a lot more than waving his arms and pointing. He wasn't playing out of his skin as a shining example week in week out while his team was going through a bad patch for your information.
I'm sure i'm doing you a disservice but let me tell you how you come over to me with your posts: you seem for all the world like a parent whose son comes home from school with a 90% exam mark and who then proceeds to spend all his time chastising him around the 10% he missed out on.
Lukaku is far from a perfect footballer but whilst he is doing his main job in the team scoring goals then the focus for criticism should be on those not doing what they should be as a minimum. Once they hit their minimum mark then collectively we try to 'Make the Boat Go Faster'. Football is a team game and the team is a work in progress.
188 Posted 14/12/2016 at 22:03:32
189 Posted 14/12/2016 at 22:18:27
Joe, I think that Lukaku and Ross get most stick because their respective games are not so much characterised by their goals and assists but by the litanies of errors they consistently show. It is not some arbitrary mark but based on an objective count of what they do right or wrong in each match.
Obviously for others it is just as valid to conclude that one good deed washes out all other sins but personally I hold both players to my own 'arbitrary' high standard because I believe they both have more talent than they are showing.
190 Posted 14/12/2016 at 23:51:20
191 Posted 15/12/2016 at 19:23:57
192 Posted 16/12/2016 at 10:37:38
He has been dropped from England and Everton so if he is our best player (potentially) where is his commanding dominance? He's good for keeping the pitch watered with his constant spitting.
By the way, Paul, his pass rate may be 9 out of 10 but I don't count tip-tap short get-you-nowhere passes, certainly not from a number 10. Actually it's fans like you that accept a mediocre display that piss me off. If that was his best game, it's only took half the season to show it. I think you are in the minority where "Ross" is concerned
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