Sandro announcement possibly a week away

Is there no consideration for us ToffeeWebbers whose drab lives are on hold until this thing is finalized?

Don't they know we need this deal announced so that we can move on to our next rumour?

How the hell are we supposed to properly trash the Andre Gray reports if Sandro is still hanging?

Very rude, these Spaniards.

Best go back to the fail-safe – believe nothing until a shirt or scarf waves on the clubs OS.

I wanted to dismiss the whispers of a release clause as an unsubstantiated rumour (which it pretty much is), but it's being widely reported in Spain and is likely to be true seeing as we aren't his first choice.

He's basically coming on a season-long loan.

If he signs and has a blinder and the team get Champions League, whose to say he wont stay.

It's a no-brainer for me.

I tend to agree with you. It is beginning to feel more like a loan than a transfer. I understood that Koeman wants players who are committed to, and want to play for Everton.

As much as I was initially excited about signing Sandro, I now feel as if we're being used and disrespected by the player and/or his agent. One year? No thanks. Move on. There are other good strikers out there.

Even if not that prolific (as we'd pray he'll be!), would he be so good for us that we shouldn't really have a long-term player in that position; who would then be the hoped-for real deal the following seasons?

I can understand club/location "loyalty" (like he is presumably aiming for), but why should any serious football team take on a one-year mercenary, while they are building a real team for all the other positions?

I'm not convinced that the lad is that interested. I think he's angling for a bale-out clause. That way, he can make a shed load of money for maybe one season and eventually get a move that he really wants.

I may be wrong but I think we should ditch this one. All the time these Spaniards are fart-arsing around ,we have to shelve other options. In no time at all, pre-season is on us and we end up with scraps.

Or maybe it's just the usual shite dreamed up by gobshites whose job description presumably includes reeling in the gullible???

No, we are not... but we are asking how that should affect us if that was actually so. At least, that is the point I'm starting from.

If we were to sign him on a normal 3-5 year deal, I'd be tempted to learn yodeling his name, just to make an ass out of myself from the joy...!

Personally, I think this is all just made up journo crap. The lad will sign next week, unless Vinny O'Keefe tells me otherwise.

As regards the 12-month thing – even Kenwright wouldn't agree to that! Or would he??

It's mandatory in Spain for tax purposes. So it's not a stretch to believe that Sandro would want one, especially as it's worked out well for him with Malaga, and we're not his first choice.

Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean he'd go. He could fall in love with both club and City and refuse any club that triggered it. However, if he has a great season and Atletico come sniffing, then it's game over. Time will tell, but if the clause does exist, it won't be made public until his agent starts spouting off towards the end of next season.

If Sandro and his agent insisted on the clause and we refused, he wouldn't be short of offers. We aren't negotiating from a position of strength. I wouldn't be surprised if we relented in the knowledge that we'd get him for the season and hopefully make a profit.

As many have pointed out, it could be bullshit, but it is plausible and worthy of discussion.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/27/andre-grey-tweeting-burnley-homophobia-sexism-race

However, when we do start talking about Gray, I'll be a "no thanks."

Not because he was a gangbanger and homophobe 5-6 years ago... I do believe he has properly apologized and worked to make amends for those disgusting tweets... but because for all his pace and talent, he is wildly inconsistent.

Dyche finally had his fill and dropped him near the end of last season.

Oddly, of course, if he's not really good then he's likely to stay and might improve. Or he might not be really good ever.

All sorts of permutations. But I like Everton players who are prepared to commit and who are likely to be respected by their fellow players. If someone arrives so obviously hedging his bets then I'm not sure he'll get a warm reception in the dressing room unless he's full of hat-tricks.

I suppose we should wait and see.

Everton should look at other options and get the deals done quickly as most teams are looking for a great striker.

I want players who want to play for the club but that isn't common these days as they are mostly out for themselves. Worst case scenario is that it is true, he has a blinder of a season scoring a shedload of goals awfully like the scenario with the current incumbent! Then we lose him for a whacking great profit – I don't really see a downside in that.

And then I thought, well, maybe they have tried but have been knocked back because he has signed or the deal is set in concrete and he is ours. It's as good a bet as all the other rumours that are flying about.

It will happen, have some faith in the new team at Goodison. It will happen

Relax... he's coming, and don't start slaggin' him when he puts his first pass astray.

So anyway, my thoughts.

The guy is a 21 year old kid. He probably wants to do well in the game, earn as much as he can, but probably in Spain? Unlikely will he be versed in the intrigue, smoke and mirrors of the vipers nest that is the Sky/Premier League transfer window.

I guess, given a free rein and an unrestricted choice, he would sign for Atletico Madrid. However, they can't sign him and he gets invited to meet EFC officials at The Titanic, over a weekend,when the hotel is full of stag and hen parties getting hammered.

Everton tell him he can join 'Ronald's project', potentially muscling into the Premier League top 4, new stadium and the rest of it,and he and his agent leave after a good dinner, paid for by EFC.

Once alone, his agent and him the agree..."What a fucking dump! I'm staying in a hotel next to a shit factory and a scrap yard, and we can't get any sleep, because the hotel guests are singing karaoke and fighting in their bedrooms."

"But, fucking hell, look at the money they are offering!"

Agent says "tell you what, let's come here and let the daft twats pay us. I'll get them to agree to a 12-month release clause, after squaring it with Atletico first. You will only have to stay in this hell hole for 30 weeks, tops. You'll end up trebling your money on the back of these monkeys, and you'll be back in Madrid before the start of next season!"

If any of this is even 20% true, fuck him off is my view.

My understanding is that they pretty much mean the same thing. One is triggered and paid for by the buying club, and the other is triggered and bought out by the player (the club he intends to sign for gives him the money to buy-out his contract).

So, both still allow him to leave as soon as the clause is met.

Usually the buy-out clauses in Spain are huge but it would seem Sandro was allowed a small one. Whether he's tried it on with us is anyone's guess.

Apologies if I've got that wrong.

Peter (#48), as far as milking us for 12 months with the intention of then going to Atletico – I think you're bang on.

Hopefully he'll play his heart out every week and fall in love with the club.

Not sure if buy-out or release clauses make a lot of difference anyway; if a player says he wants to leave and kicks up a stink, most of the time he'll get his wish regardless of the contract.

Will give that a go tomorrow. Already I have gnomes and small snarling crayfish lined up.

Perhaps we've just seen a player available for £5.2m that we feel, given a half-decent season in the Premier League, we could get £20m for. Perhaps our sole reason for buying him is to turn a quick and decent profit. These things do work both ways after all!

That said, the kid is only 21. He wasn't born when we last won anything. The English climate and life is unknown to him. His options for Mediterranean sun or diet here will be way different to what he's used to. He has a lot to think about and naturally enough he'll start (and likely finish with) "What's best for me?" He'll likely rely on his agent to spell the answer out, with him, the agent, maximising his own wedge for now and in the future.

Such is life. Everyone involved in Premier League football becomes millionaires before they've done anything worthy of memory and us fans pay through the nose for absolutely everything, even Chang.

Gotta stop now, the Samaritans are phoning me.

The result: he's on a 5 year contract and will become an EFC legend, he is a proper footballer?

Sick to the back teeth of the daily crap from the Echo and other sources. EFC must get wise?

Once upon a Time.."

I posted.on here before that IMO Malaga allowed such a low clause because they wouldn't have otherwise got him. Sandro himself has insisted on it because, again IMO, he has confidence in his ability and believed after a year he'd get a top move.

I think Atletico's transfer ban has put a spanner in the works of his plan. Having said that, I would be very surprised if Koeman and Everton would accept a clause letting him call the shots after one season, I really would.

I don't think it fits with what Koeman is trying to do.

As for Keane, if he signs next week then they wouldn't be far off. But maybe their future 'done deal' claims should come with a disclaimer.

Brian, I'd like to think you're right, but I can't help but feel this buy-out clause is very plausible.

As Don has just said, he'll want what's best for him and undoubtedly considered Atletico as his first choice.

He didn't want to go out on loan and then join Atletico in January, which makes it all the more believable that he would join us with the option to leave if Atletico are still interested in 12 months time.

Did Brian Williams start a rumour that has gotten way out of hand, or did he just accidentally stumble on the truth?

Will Geoff Lambert ever explain why his info has not panned out?

Is Jamie Sweet looking for another double or quits?

Brian has caused this mess. I can't believe you named and shamed Geoff Lambert.

Edit: just saw your last. I have absolutely no idea who, if anyone, it benefits. Only going on what The Echo said...oh and Geoff. Let's face it, nobody has a clue.

For the first time in years, I'm not stressing over transfers. Don't get me wrong, I'm probably checking on an hourly basis, but I have a feeling that at the end of this window we will be a better team and the right players (ie, players who want to pull on the Blue shirt like Klaassen) will be sourced. For the first time, ever I'm not worried about Barkley or Lukaku or whoever leaving. If they go we get in Dembele & Sigurdsson or equivalent plus one or two others. This is the first window ever where I feel confident we will take a big step forwards and not two back.

Lukaku's goals will be difficult to replace, but with more coming from midfield and a solid keeper, the potential to get results and points will be there. It's great to have a striker challenging for the golden boot, but at the end of the day it's results that matter more and that only happens with a solid team.

I have confidence that Moshiri will put money in and re-invest any we get from sales and I have confidence Koeman and Walsh will spend that wisely. Now come on and bloody sign Sandro!

Trust these low-lives to try and scupper any deal involving well-meaning, honest people. They were the only European country – repeat, only European country – to support the Argentinians during the Falklands War!

Thanks for that. Being able to smile amidst this messy possible transfer, really is a help..

Meanwhile, the BBC sport website are reporting that the Red Shite signing of Mohamed Salah is the best signing in the history of football!!!

And yeah Martin, I recall. At least then we had the Daily Post for some sense.

Guilty as charged. Next time someone encourages me to start a daft, totally out-of-the-blue rumour, I'm gonna make sure it's one that's to our advantage!!!

If any of this is true then it's all a bit messy. I understood when we allowed Barça the buy-back clause in Geri's contract, but I don't like the sound of this.

Also heard he won't sign unless he gets the No 9 shirt. Or was that No 19?

Hmmmm... why hasn't the fucker signed yet?

Maybe I was not the only one hey???

"Everton officials flew to Poland, where he is on Spain U-21 duty, on Wednesday to finalise the transfer and unveil the capture of one of Europe's most exciting young attackers.

It was widely expected that confirmation would come yesterday, but Malaga's part in the deal has slowed things."

Geoff, who published that excerpt? From what I can tell, the whole media circus has being getting their information from the likes of you and Brian on TW!

And you actually believe that?

Echo sport page.

Flashback to times under David Moyes where we had no money to sign anyone, and were hoping for loans of squad quality players to help the ginger minge park the bus.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm liking this a lot.

The point I am making is that it is nigh-on impossible to work out what is based on facts and what is merely speculation / rumours. The situation is not helped when certain people give the impression that they know something significant but then fail to clarify things when their information doesn't pan out as they said it would.

Stop having a go at others and give everyone a credible explanation.

Or maybe I should accept that the "ITK" whom I trusted to be on the money with this one was actually full of shit, and pay out while we're still on 2...

It's like the pain and anguish of 11pm on deadline day has been stretched out over a week. I can't stand it anymore, and gullible muppets such as myself clearly haven't helped the matter! Sorry!

I suggest he has signed; Malaga are really pissed that he has escaped their clutches at such a low fee.

I suggest he has signed the contract and as befits a world class performer (as opposed to your every day man in the street) He really is focused on performing for Spain U21s and respect for that.

Potential clash of interests between Everton having players featuring on both teams in a final? No issues. It has happened before and it will happen again.

All the background noise is being generated by attention seeking by-standers or self interested spoilers.

Don't fall for it. he has signed, it will be confirmed next week after the tournament is over, and he will be playing for Everton next season The only issue will be his shirt number.

Next issue is Keane who I think will join us.

Sigurdsson will follow but closer to the start of the season (posturing etc.).

The jury is still out on Ross + Rom, so the incoming striker is a grey one... Moussa Dembele looks to be the favorite and an experienced forward as support and mentoring role.

COYB and keep doing the business in the respectful professional manner as always.

They have a direct feed to BBC online and then Teletext rumours and this in turn is sold to NewsNow and subsequently Sporta Newsa Buenas Dias.

At the end of the process someone takes time from their worry about being kicked out of Spain post Brexit and spots the story. They post it on TW but mix up the name of the player.

This leads to a flurry of emails that begins with a slating of Walsh and RK and ultimately allocating blame for Kings Dock and Bret Angell. This then generates a nostalgia feature in the Echo and the cycle begins again with Sporta Newsa Buenas Dias's sister site, Basura Diaria, saying Everton have brought in a religious consultant to beseech the archangels for someone to actually make a bid for Ross.

So you are 100% right!

More seriously. See no evidence of probs with this transfer (actually no evidence we even want him if I am frank). Reckon we will get Keane with McCarthy going other way and will get Dembele and one other midfielder.

But in the end who knows – not me... or Frank.

Does that bother me? Not at all – it's just negotiation. If we sign him we push up the release clause as far as we can while he tries to pull it down. If the deal doesn't make commercial sense then one of us pulls out. Do we think a release clause affects whether he loves the club? He either wants to be here or he doesn't – contracts don't change that.

Of course it could be bollocks and he's just concentrating on achieving the biggest prize of his career to date.

The solace I take is the club is schtum, the lad himself is on tour and focusing on the next game.

The Rag paper that projects it self as a genuine source is sadly pathetic and is so out of sync with real time, is always a safe bet to be BBS overload.

The RS Echo is as usual desperate for any news... and so it shows daily.

All-in-all, as Evertonians, we know via life that we should never assume or presume anything.

I hope against hope we get him as he looks to be a proper footballer. Time will tell.

Sorry, mate – just reporting what I heard from Sandro's hair dresser (part time obviously). :-)

Until he is officially announced and is holding an Everton shirt, I don't consider him signed, hasn't history told us this?

Can anyone show me one official source regarding this transfer? Nope.

Simples really!

The right to offer and accept a contract works both ways. And if handled correctly then both the parties are winners.

It would be nice if he were to lock himself in to the Club ethos, and he may do in time. The best method likely to lead to success is the professional approach, and Everton are possibly one of the best in the business at that approach. Meanwhile those on the sidelines have to be patient.

Also Sandro just might be concentrating fully on the tournament and he should be respected for that, as I am sure he would appreciate patience from our side.

COYB

Possibility of Sandro transfer: Very High
Probability: 97%

Possibility of Keane transfer: High
Probability: 72%

Possibility of Sigurdsson transfer: Low
Probability: 40%

Possibility of Deulofeu exit: High
Probability: 81%

Possibility of Lukaku exit: Low
Probability: 20%

Possibility of Barkley exit: cannot comment; insufficient information
Probability of Barkley exit: N/A

Possibility of new transfers coming in: IMMINENT
Probability of new transfers coming in: 100%

And numbers do lie unless they are facts. These are just your opinions?

For the record, I would put Lukaku's departure at 90% – but that's my personal opinion.

Rooney was in for talks a few weeks ago but demands on salary are too high.

It was supposed to be funny – right?

But I know I will check this website every morning when I wake up in the hotel room or when I'm taking the subway or in the car. I will try not to, I swear!

He is either happy to sit on the bench and collect his wages or, he is in fact going to China for a massive pay day.

I'd give the former a 78.9% chance happening and the latter a 22.1% chance.

We must keep the faith!

Have some faith – our new empire won't be built in a day.

I am sorry I upset some on here but I can only report what I hear at the time. It makes a change to be moaning about signings not being done before the window has even opened.

I will keep it to myself in future as I don't need the personal insults for trying to give you some honest information I have heard.

COYB.

I posted on here recently that I couldn't believe we had to do our signings in a certain order. I could understand if it was a case of two players in the same position but striker and centre half?

Come on, Bill, if you're short of someone to sort out Keane's transfer, give me a bell.

Oh, and Geoff – don't be upset by the personal insults. They mean you've made it, mate!

Also, I see Lukaku is at it again with his lack of respect for our Club and us, the fans. There is a footage of him playing five-a-side football while surrounded by Chelsea badges. Please, please go, Rom.

2. "Yeah, I have a decent source on the Rooney case..."

3. "I've got an appointment with a fortune teller at 3:00pm. When I get back, I'll give you all the news, she's red hot on football."

Number 3 for me!

I have to say, getting annoyed about him playing five-a-side where there happens to be Chelsea badges is ridiculous. Fuck's sake – if he was photographed eating a Chelsea bun, should we rage???

If you want to be annoyed at him, be annoyed for the fucker not only trying to tap in young Tom Davies's great goal against Man City (and failing) but then trying to claim he actually had touched it. Now that's the sign of a gobshite... but playing footie where there happens to be another club's badges????

Don't fret! I have a (very) reliable source, who says the same as you; ie, that Rooney has been told to 'put up or shut up'; and that Sandro signed his contract last Sunday, at about 4:00pm.

"I cannot name a gobshite source..."!

But the better news is that, also in the course of the next 8 days, our net spend is going to be something like negative £5.4m

I asked the same question but he just smiled and wouldn't answer me.

Have a good week creating rumours, mates. The tabloids will come and pick up ideas here.

Was it the same fortune teller as Dave (#112) saw?

I had an appointment with one yesterday. When I got there, she was closed – "Due to unforeseen circumstances"

[I'll get my coat.]

What's the point? We all know there are rumours and pure guesswork posted on here, often presented as fact. We can't distinguish between all that and somebody who really is ITK. So why post ITK stuff? It's NOT informative.

Also, I haven't seen that goal in a while, but I thought he pulled his foot away at the very last minute, might be wrong though.

You're sort of swaying two ways there mate. He could have said thanks but no thanks? Really, you really think he sbould have done that?

By the way I should explain. I've no time for him. Not a team player, so full of himself he's fit to burst, made a twat.of himself with the Harry Kane comment, but refusing to play footie coz of some badges? Even I'm not that sensitive.

With regard to the goal. If he tried to take his foot away why try'n celebrate and claim it.

To sum up. For the five a side, not guilty! For the Davies incident – he's a twat. All IMHO of course.

Hope he goes and we get Dembele, Sandro and another top striker.

HP Fruity is my weakness.

As for the Davies play, all I can do is laugh at how many people are still gnawing on a three-second video clip from six months ago. The word "silly" doesn't even begin to cover it for me.

With that in mind and, as I am currently on holiday between Barcelona and Tarragona, I decided to canvas local opinion as to whether or not Sandro is any good. The English speaking barman knew little about footy but asked his mate (who had clocked my EFC polo shirt) what Sandro is like.

The cryptic response was "Some of the best players play for the smaller teams"! I assume he meant Malaga and wasn't taking the piss!

Sandro, and this is true honest, had permission to travel to Merseyside to choose between three houses in Crocky before they got snapped up.

All the news I'm getting from the locals is that he's already signed, and the announcement is after Spain are finished in the U23s tournament.

U21s, by the way, Rob; you can blame the sun stroke for that little error Rob, or the San Miguels.

If we get Sandro and Keane this week, then it may get Rom thinking about staying. Then again, it may be the circumstances where Everton then feel they can move Rom on as their risk of getting an overall good set of replacement signings reduces a lot.

Credibility and momentum are important for EFC this Summer, so getting our "improvements" in first is a sound game plan.

A) That will give him time to see if the team is really progressing with the new players (that was his argument for not signing the contract) and might convince him to stay.

B) If he's off to a good start, it might convince his suitors to cough up what we're asking for; he leaves and his replacement(s) is bedded in. Everyone is happy.

Barkley is annoying me. If we are asking for £50mil then we've gone insane – he wouldn't be worth that if he had a 5 year contract. I'd flog to anyone willing to buy for £25-30mil. We can't risk him leaving for nothing next summer.

The issue is that this invariably holds up other business. I expect that we have targets lined up in the event of both going (Sigurdsson and King or Dembele maybe?) But those will get more tricky as the window goes on and might be brought by others. We don't want to be selling these guys in August, especially Rom, who has no replacement in the squad.

If we ask for £25-30m for Ross than we will only be offered £15-20m. Why sell ourselves short? Ross might leave this summer but it won't be for £50m.

In relation to the nonsense surrounding this literally unpredictable transfer, I don't mind folks posting what they might have heard from whatever source, and don't wish to discourage that. As the thread shows, even the most reputable media sources ('fake news' notwithstanding) have not yet been able to call this one right.

Putting himself about a bit!

So you could get 26 Whelans for one year of Rooney's salary.

He's a touch fired up and doesn't appear to have mellowed.

Cahill was posting on Facebook earlier about being "ready to fight" and had pics of him squaring up to Vidal at the World Cup. Maybe some bad blood?

Still moves the ball about nicely, but maybe playing a touch deeper these days.

Oh for a 25-year-old Tim these days.

I second that. He was so often the force behind the team.

£50m is totally unrealistic and I mentioned when the season finished that we would be lucky to get £15 to 20m for him if he doesn't sign.

Very few clubs, even with today's prices, would pay more than that for a pretty average player who is in the last year of his contract.

I hope we do mug someone of course but just can't see it. 12 months from now, he's on a free and heading to West Ham.

Any news on Sandro?

Gordon, he might be a fantastic footballer ability wise but being very inconsistent makes him average in my book. He's not a player we can rely on as he may play a worldie but is more likely to stink the place out, just like the majority of the last few years. Certainly agree with the rest of your statement though.

Looks like we're just waiting on Spain being knocked out for anymore Sandro news!

Yes he needs to be more productive - yes he has areas to improve; however, you will only truly see and feel his value when he has gone. Hopefully not but looking very likely now.

I personally love seeing him on the ball and my son worships him and asks all the time about him.

Can't wait to get the Sandro deal done this week – almost wishing Spain get beat on Wednesday!

Ross gives the ball away and that's all we hear. His defensive work is far superior to Sigurdsson's. Is 'productivity' how many intensive runs, assists or goals? Give him the ball, he makes things happen.

Ross has pretty much gone backwards in the last 3 years, some of his game has improved but most of it hasn't, it's deteriorated. If he wasn't a local lad, many of us wouldn't give a rats arse if he left, for free or a fee. I'm just going on what my eyes tell me, but luckily for you and your son my view isn't important!

I think he'll go, but either on a free at the end of next season or maybe around £15m on transfer deadline day. I can't see how Koeman is going to back track.

Anyway, back to the topic! Sandro – mañana! Mañana! Maybe!

If it's being reported that Real Madrid are interested, then I think what we have been told is untrue.

Oh well... there is always Burnley's striker to set Goodison alight.

Seriously people, get a bloody grip.

Anyone got George Weah's number? Want to ring him and see if he has any talented cousins.

As for the panic about Sandro, I think it's justified bearing in mind our previous unsuccessful ventures in he transfer market.

It's conceivable I suppose (after all, Jamie Carragher made it onto the TV with a speaking part).

However, it would be a pretty brave decision for him to take.

Superb. An oasis in the desert of discussion about rumours about rumours.

I guess we are all looking for diversions as we await the latest transfer news and the new season.

In the meantime, there's Pat Nevin speaking at the London fans' meeting on Saturday to look forward to.

Sandro seems like a sensible pro, and having been through the Barça academy you would expect nothing less.

He's not made much comment and deflected attention when he has – all the paper talk is likely just that, paper talk. The BBC are still reporting that the deal is pretty much done, medical, personal terms, agreement with Malaga all in place.

Expect Keane to be in by the 1st July!!!

Watching England – featuring Pickford and Holgate – running all over Germany right now.

Let's just think about that... No, sorry, not going to happen in a month of Sundays. Plus it was in that reputable and factual newspaper, Sport! Honestly, I don't believe a word of it, total bollocks!

ps: Anyone going to Holland or Belgium?

Firstly, Sandro wants guaranteed football in order to push for a World Cup place.

Secondly, he's come through the Barcelona ranks and clearly fancied Atletico Madrid.

Thirdly, Real Madrid would have no place for him in their first team unless of course Ronaldo leaves, and if that happens they will replace him with a proven superstar. Their fans would demand it.

If Madrid did want Sandro, it would be to sit on their bench as a bit-part player, in place of one of their current bi-part players who has got fed up and is leaving. Sandro has made it clear that he wants guaranteed football.

Sandro could be ours in yet another 48 hours. Yes, EU economists say that, after the sure-fire deal to get Greece out the shite, Sandro will sign for Everton Football Club in three days.

Bill Kenwright was alleged to have remarked that it was "Everton that done it."

"Although, in England, the transfer window formally opens on 9 June, transfers between clubs in the same league can take place as soon as the last competitive fixtures for the season have been played. However, many transfers will not be completed until 1 July because many players' contracts expire on 30 June."

This may explain the confusion.