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1 Posted 05/09/2017 at 05:53:13
2 Posted 05/09/2017 at 08:08:57
With the kind co-operation of the Vernon family, I am researching Roy's life and times for a biographical project. If you have memories to share of Roy on the pitch (for Everton, Blackburn, Stoke, Great Harwood and Wales) or in person, please drop a line to royvernonproject "at" gmail.com
3 Posted 05/09/2017 at 08:16:43
Loved the tale about the guy in the nightclub being sneaked out the back door when his wife made an unexpected entrance. Interesting how most footballer's of the day housing expectation's were met by a 'semi-detached in Lydiate'.
I wasn't old enough to frequent night clubs in the 60s but the Pink Parrot sounded like a fun place to be on a Saturday night. Anyone with a long memory care to remind us where it was in town and how easy it was to get in?
4 Posted 05/09/2017 at 08:19:51
One of my early matches, I watched Everton beat Wolves, 3-1 I think the score was, and Vernon scored, turning the England captain Billy Wright inside-out.
I loved the fact his son let down Ron Yeats's tyres on matchday, that brought a chuckle!
5 Posted 05/09/2017 at 09:38:01
Those where the days every club had a hero no, not a superstar... a genuine hero.
6 Posted 05/09/2017 at 09:48:22
Interesting from an Everton perspective and fascinating from a general historical/social perspective.
I sometimes gloss over sections that include none glamorous football stuff, but then I remember, back then, these none glamorous events (babies, travel, moving house etc) without cars, mobiles, computers etc were massively time consuming and loads more complicated/difficult
Also funny how wives back then tended to be a lot less... um... 'knowing' about things.
I'm not for a moment suggesting anything untoward ever took place, but when the boys were 'judging Miss New Brighton' must have been nice for them knowing they weren't being filmed and photographed every minute.
Young Wayne might have out-earned them a gazillion trillion times over but (as we've just seen) he can't have a shite without a team of Sun 'reporters' getting pics, interviews and producing a 12-page pullout on it.
"Everton star in filthy degrading arse act..." etc blah
7 Posted 05/09/2017 at 10:08:17
I was about 17 when he left and about 12 when he joined and I learned pretty quickly that nothing is forever, particularly in football a message repeated continually over the years, even as far as Lukaku and Barkley.
No such thing as loyalty in football on both sides. Never was, never will be, and to expect it is fanciful unfortunately.
Eugene is right about all the attendant stuff these days. I guess not all change is progress.
8 Posted 05/09/2017 at 12:23:54
When it eventually happened, I was overjoyed. In my humble opinion, Roy Vernon was the second best player post war to wear the Royal Blue jersey; the best was Alan Ball.
9 Posted 05/09/2017 at 16:30:47
10 Posted 05/09/2017 at 17:27:50
Roy Vernon was the best penalty taker I have ever seen to this day.
11 Posted 05/09/2017 at 17:45:16
As for the clubs, I could never get in the Royal Tiger, it was either the Mardi Gras, Blue Angel or occasionally the Cavern. Happy days.
12 Posted 05/09/2017 at 17:50:14
A truly great player along with the other names that you mention. It's reassuring to know that the old-timers do not forget those players who made going to Goodison a special occasion.
13 Posted 05/09/2017 at 17:51:30
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15 Posted 05/09/2017 at 18:18:47
I remember him missing. In the retake, he feinted to kick the ball, keeper dived. which in those days was a foul (ie, the keeper moving before the kick) and Vernon pointed at the ref and said basically look he's moving, that's why he saved the first pen. Noel Cantwell, the Man Utd captain, went crazy at what he considered showing up the keeper. I may be wrong but I thought Cantwell got sent off. Vernon re-took and scored.
Again, that's my memory. I was in the old Main Stand at the Park End side. I think the penalty was at the Park End.
16 Posted 05/09/2017 at 18:35:52
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18 Posted 05/09/2017 at 19:06:31
As Peter (#13) is saying, we all would like to see us win something the joy we get in seeing our captain lifting a trophy certainly beats 2nd place and a back-door entry to a competition.
19 Posted 05/09/2017 at 19:10:33
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21 Posted 05/09/2017 at 20:33:37
When Everton signed Bobby in September 1958 (I was serving in the forces in Cyprus), and their record was played 6, lost 6, scored 4 conceded 20. He made his debut against Manchester City at Maine Road and scored in a 3-1 victory, his next goal was in the 10-4 defeat at Spurs.
My first glimpse of Bobby in a royal shirt was on boxing day 1958, in a 1-0 win over Leicester City (whilst home on leave) it was only after I returned to civvy street in August 1959 that I saw the influence he had on his team mates.
The name 'pocket battleship' has been bestowed on many players, but none can have worn it with greater distinction than Bobby Collins. I feel sure that supporters of my age (79 years) and older, will have fond memories of Bobby, likewise supporters of Leeds United, for whom he gave excellent service.
I feel privileged to have witnessed such a determined and talented player, this is not to belittle any other players, as I started by saying, we all have our opinions and favourites, that's what makes the game what it is. I would be interested to learn what others think.
22 Posted 05/09/2017 at 20:40:33
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24 Posted 05/09/2017 at 22:18:54
I have seen far better players come and go.Roy Vernon, Bobby Collins, Alan Ball, Alex Young are my reasons why.
25 Posted 05/09/2017 at 22:34:35
Of course I recognise the brilliance of such as Messi and Hazard etc but it seems time lends us a moment of reverie and you are absolutely right in naming Bobby Collins as he most certainly fits the bill of memories.
My own recollection was a 5-0 beating of Newcastle on a rainy day at Goodison where Bobby was simply outstanding.
Going to bed now to dream of far off days of yore!
26 Posted 05/09/2017 at 22:46:58
The book has been out of print for ages now, which is why I offer them on here because I love these stories and feel it's a crying shame the book is unavailable now and was never sold by the club (as it was considered 'disrespectful' by the powers that be).
But all is not lost. Amazon now have a facility where I can publish the books on a 'print on demand' basis so I'm going to take up that option.
Sadly, so many of the wives/husbands have passed away and more grandchildren have been born since I wrote it in 2004, so I'm busy updating the master copy and will let you all know when it's available for sale. I'm not sure how much it will cost because they charge for the production, postage and of course Amazon take their cut. But I will certainly sell it for the lowest price I can and am doing as much work from this end as I can to keep the price down
In the meantime, I'm loving that you're enjoying reading these beautiful stories which would certainly have been lost forever if I hadn't had the opportunity to write them when I did.
Thanks again for your feedback it's made my day.
27 Posted 05/09/2017 at 23:17:53
Roy and Norma's honeymoon one night in the Butlin's Metropole in Blackpool! I grew up watching Roy and I can still see him waltzing around the Fulham keeper in the title clincher in 1963. Happy days. Here's to more of them.
28 Posted 05/09/2017 at 23:18:03
I was at Maine Road when over the tannoy, wee Bobby Collins was introduced to English football.
Before current mass media coverage, little was known about the game outside England's borders. Few people had previously seen Booby. As both teams entered the pitch I remember thinking our mascot is a stocky chap. That was of course Bobby, a legend north of the border as he was at Everton and later at Leeds.
A curious fact about that game was how Bobby and Knobby Fielding ripped Man City apart in our 3-1 win yet I do not remember them ever again playing together.
In those far-off simple days, I would often see Reds and Blues players in and around Maghull. With one exception, they were a cheerful friendly mob. Always with good humour Alex and Roy would take the mickey out of each other. The exception occurred a few days before a derby game. A bit of gentle banter escalated into fisticuffs between Fred Pickering and Ron Yeats. It needed a dozen of their team mates to calm down these two huge blokes.
29 Posted 06/09/2017 at 11:25:14
He and Young are my all time Everton favourites. I wrote an article years ago about them for this site, "My Young and My Vernon long ago".
1962-63, I was sixteen, had a season ticket for the old Paddock and that is the team I dream about. Vernon was captain and simply the best finisher I've seen at Goodison. Latchford, Lineker, Cottee, Rooney, Lukaku et alia, were nothing compared to Vernon at his best.
30 Posted 06/09/2017 at 11:49:41
Totally right, Lukaku, Barkley, Mirallas. Not worth comparing to the likes of Sharp, Ball and King. All players that left too soon.
31 Posted 06/09/2017 at 16:14:17
Can anyone confirm?
32 Posted 06/09/2017 at 18:26:18
His record for Everton was played 147 games 47 goals, and for Leeds United (where he won Player of the year in 1965) played 149 games 24 goals. He played a major part in pulling two clubs up by the boot laces, and will go down in my opinion, as the most inspirational player I've seen in 69 years of following Everton, and by the way still attending (with my Grandson) as season ticket holders in the Park End.
33 Posted 06/09/2017 at 19:04:30
Becky writes great books â€“ try to get "Talking Blue" and "Still Talking Blue" â€“ in depth interviews with players from the sixties onwards. Very insightful and if you read this, Becky, it's high time you did another one!
34 Posted 06/09/2017 at 21:37:33
That title-winning side of 1962-63 was just tremendous and only equalled of course by the 1985 winning team. Wouldn't it be nice to have a team like that again?
35 Posted 07/09/2017 at 18:50:55
I also remember with fondness players such as Vernon, Young, Collins. Vernon was a dynamic player, but Alex Young was something extra special.
I was playing for Holy Rosary in the CYMS league. When we won the league in 1960, Young and Jimmy Gabriel came out to present the medals. This was the highlight of my year it was even for the Reds on our team.
Memories stay with you for your whole life. I still think we have great footballers today but money has put a damper on the game. I enjoyed watching Everton even when they were in the Second Division with the likes of Peter Farrell and Tommy Egglinton. 1954 was by far the best when we were promoted and the Red Shite were relegated for eight years. We still had crowds of 60,000+.
However, back to the Roy Vernon article. He really was a great player because as well as his football skills, he also had a certain edge that really added to his game. He would be outstanding in any era.
36 Posted 07/09/2017 at 19:20:03
Regarding the penalty in the Charity Shield against Man Utd, Roy ran up to take the pen,feigned to hit the ball one way and Gaskell dived the way Roy indicated; he never actually hit the ball,he and the crowd burst out laughing.
After the laughter subsided, Royston took the pen and, true to form, sent Gaskell the wrong way and netted.
37 Posted 07/09/2017 at 21:04:49
We used to get to the ground early as the adults needed to visit the Winslow so we got into the front row of the old Park End Stand right behind the goal. I remember Roy hitting amazing volleys into the net at that end and think he scored every penalty. Such great memories.
38 Posted 08/09/2017 at 20:14:23
As you say he came into a poor Everton team and club at that time and dragged them up from the bottom of the league to become one of the best in the country but never enjoyed the silver we won, being transferred in one of the few mistakes Harry Catterick made.
I remember a story I read about Bobby's dad being hit with a bottle or glass at Ibrox Park during a derby game between Rangers and Celtic, Bobby had joined the wrong club according to the fan, I suppose that is Glasgow and their take on religion.
I was made up when Bobby came to Goodison and made his debut alongside my only ever football idol Davie Hickson. Davie wasn't the best player to play for the Blues and he knew that, but no player ever loved playing for the Blues more than Davie.
Bobby Collins was class along with many others including Thomas Royston Vernon, Tommy Ring and many other Everton players it was an absolute privilege to see.
As someone above has mentioned money is taking the fun and love of the game away from us fans and the game of football is a lot poorer for this.
39 Posted 12/09/2017 at 19:45:35
I wonder what happened to Henry. He preferred to be called Stephen on leaving school. He got credit for a goal I scored. He really only scored 59 goals for HGS Junior XI in '65! I was only credited with one other goal that season.
I caught a toffee off the Toffee Lady at the Fulham game when we clinched the title in 63, Vernon scored a hat-trick. To my disgust, my brother ate the toffee a couple of years later.
40 Posted 21/09/2017 at 22:52:03
I couldn't format the photos because it was all too complicated but am happy for somebody to show me how to do it and add them in the next draft.
41 Posted 28/09/2017 at 09:59:06
It was so interesting to read about Roy Vernon as he was such a pivotal player of the 62-63 title winning team. I was always fascinated by pictures of him smoking.
As a lifelong non smoker myself it certainly didn't encourage me to start but I'm sure some impressionable kids did so but that's how it was in those days though I did wonder in my innocent youth whether he would have been an even better player if he had have not smoked. He would certainly have lived longer and been able to enjoy his grand children, etc.
Thank you for posting this, a great read.
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