Rooney charged with drink driving

That said, why wasn't he in bed asleep? Why was he drinking mid-season, even if he doesn't have a game for 10 days?

We now live in an age were players such as Ronaldo have sleep coaches, and other players sleep in rehab chambers to speed up recovery after a game, never mind an actual injury. Players should also employ a nutritionist and ensure everything going into their bodies is for optimum performance, which means Rooney skipping the Big Macs he is fond of.

Alcohol slows recovery and long term has an effect. As does smoking. These players are paid extraordinary wages to live extraordinary lives and they should not drink or smoke. They have the rest of their lives to smoke or drink whatever they want with their vast fortunes (over many many millions) made from their playing careers.

Curious as to why he was driving a VW beetle, must be his wife's car, and there must be a story to this.

Not acceptable, least of all with his means. Demonstrates a flagrant lack of respect for the law of the land, his status as England hall of famer and his club.

I wonder which kopite scumbag shopped him to the police as he left the car park.

There have been many players who have been done for drink driving but I can never remember one being the main item on both ITV and BBC news. All the top clubs have coaches for everything so maybe they need to have coaches who can teach them the folly of a professional athlete drinking. I would have thought that Rooney being at that stage of his career would be trying to look after his body better than this.

Strangely, was he was driving a VW Beetle...

It could become awkward if he get's a ban, how does he get to and from training?

Don't quote me, but hasn't he been caught before?

Hopefully shouldn't impact too much more than that, may even send out a warning to the others!

'Example for the young lads' and all.

Save this link for next time Wayne. They drive you home in your own car, so no excuses.

He's been a bloody idiot.

Rich little poor boy with more money than sense. He will never change his habits or suddenly become Einstein off the pitch.

Koeman has his hands full trying to keep the Croxteth rebel in line. In fact, he won't be able too. It's up to Wayne. One thing he did learn from Fergie was that he does what he likes. More proof of that on a dark South Cheshire road in today's early hours.

I just hope he can keep a modicum of dignity on the field of play to help the blues forward to the new promised land supposedly coming over the horizon.

It's the only crime people from all walks of life get done for.

Wayne's massively in the wrong but I doubt he needs a load of people telling him so.

What a 24 hours. Where's the ruddy gin?

I wonder which kopite scumbag shopped him to the police as he left the car park.

He may have had one bottle of beer that took him over the limit.
Not good admittedly but let's not hang him until we know.

UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!

Why?

Good for you, Michael, too, I assume you mean you never drink and drive right? As I am sure you are aware there are people who do, and think they are fine only to find out otherwise. Or you could carry a personal breathalyzer.

He should know better; however, I will wait for the full facts first.

Big mistake welcoming him back like some sort of messiah – when clearly he is a very naughty boy.

"I will wait for the full facts first."

Too late; you have spread the gossip.

These days, there is no excuse, just like smoking, as we are all well aware of the consequences and being a celebrity can make you more of a target and a feather in the cap of the officer who stops you.

Sadly, we humans being who we are, always think it will never happen to us, getting caught or being in an accident.

Welcome to Tanvirs club.

The lad has about 𧴜 Million in the bank! What the fuck is wrong with these "celebrities"? He could afford to have a Rolls Royce and drivers at every home / place of work that he wishes just off the interest alone.

Now he just looks like another gobshite footballer.

It's wrong, full stop. And anyone in a position of example should know better.

He's known to be a regular drinker and smoker (great combo for a professional sportsman) so there's no real surprise there. He'll say sorry, won't happen again and get a slap on the wrists. Then it will happen again a few months later. Repeat.

This guy is not a role model for the youngsters and never has been. Main benefit of having him is his attitude on the pitch. Off it, best not to dwell on it. He's always been like this.

Glad no one got hurt at least. Anything over the limit is not acceptable so I don't agree with the 'he may have only just been over'.

As mentioned above, the guy can afford an army of chauffeurs! Never mind a bloody taxi.

Love Everton, hate what modern-day football stands for.

Can you say UBER?

The man showed his class shagging granny prostitutes and hasn't changed. Clearly he has an alcohol problem.

Wazza indeed.

Not specifically directed at Wayne Rooney but, with the wages they command, can't they hire a full-time driver?

Later.

Can't condone what he's done, it's stupid and he's fortunate that it wasn't worse with an accident, but we're all human and can make mistakes, no matter how much money we're on.

He's running out of chances.

But he's a legend, because he saw fit to return to us after leaving as a teenager and being deemed no longer good enough at Man Utd. Just the type of example for Davies and Lookman and Calvert-Lewin to learn from.

And if this was an attempt to score off the pitch, it'll never be forgotten at home.

Just two of the questions Colleen will have fired at him this morning. This is not going to end well. Knobhead.

It didn't seem to bother Koeman too much when Ever Banega got done for the same at Valencia. There was a qoute from Jouquin at the time....who was dropped from the squad for turning up to a team meeting two minutes late, while Banega was selected after being stopped by the police, stinking of booze....something along the lines of 'Maybe I should get rat-arsed and run a red light next time. Might get a game'.

"DRINK driving, not necessarily 'drunk'."

"I wonder which kopite scumbag shopped him to the police as he left the car park."

So you think drink driving is okay? Ridiculous. Good on them whoever shopped him.

"DRINK driving, not necessarily 'drunk'."

"I wonder which kopite scumbag shopped him to the police as he left the car park."

So you think drink driving is okay? Ridiculous. Good on them whoever shopped him.

You might be right... perhaps Koeman is of the old-school boys-will-be-boys philosophy, in which case the repercussions wouldn't extend to the pitch.

John #70, if Rooney turns up for training looking like Barkley after the bar fight, we'll know his answers didn't satisfy the missus.

This is a non-story...

Preferably, no. Best to use a local company that has to abide by all the local rules, allows its drivers to at least earn minimum/"living" wage for most of the week, isn't out to thieve away as much of the taxi market in the western world as possible, ready for the coming transition to driverless cars, and isn't backed by the usual globalist interests, as indicated by the "Mysterious" financial ability to unceasingly advertise all over commercial radio, all over the world.

I agree with the intent of the statement, though - get a taxi or private hire ride home when pissed.

I don't know as he meant it that black-and-white, but being unfit through drink is unacceptable, and there has to be a limit by which to measure. It's a fools game to do it, for myriad reasons. Better to just not do it at all.

However:

"Good on them whoever shopped him."

Very dangerous to advocate and celebrate the snitch mindset, particularly in this day and age, in my humble opinion.

I keep trying to not suspect a "Matrix" but it's getting harder...

"Very dangerous to advocate and celebrate the snitch mindset, particularly in this day and age, in my humble opinion."

Yeah, just let people possibly get injured or die instead.

ps: How many TWebbers would grass him up if they saw a pissed Rooney getting in a car???

(Answer... in a heartbeat)

If it makes you feel better getting outraged about it then enjoy it and have fun, just laugh, he's an idiot

Funny you should mention Gibson mother in law lives in Hale Barnes. I've seen Gibo buying 4 cans from the local co-op... regret not thinking quicker to get my phone out and be a pap for a moment with Gibo looking shady carrying 4 cans couldn't even be arsed to pay 5p for a carrier lol!!

And also driving drunk on Transfer Deadline Day night after Everton failed to secure a true striker... it's all there. It's all depressing too.

Funniest thing I've read all day.

The 'Everton that' posts, really are so smug it's like finger nails down the blackboard time.

Just the reaction from some before we know how far over he is. I know over the limit is over the limit. If he has had a bucketful he is stupid.

About what I expected.

So lets not try and make the reality simpler than it really is.

But in the end he will pay his price as law dictates, prob never do it again and thankfully nobody was hurt in anyone's family.

Thank god eh?

Correctamundo, some things are indefensible this is one of them.

I wonder what the parents of the two young boys killed on their way to a Grand Prix by a drunken footballer would think.

And the reason he was driving a Beetle is he was driving a drunk woman home in her car at 2 am while his pregnant wife was where?

Hopefully Wayne can give a good explanation and get the charges dropped. Hopefully the office worker is okay and her boyfriend / partner is okay and an Everton Supporter. Hopefully she doesn't need money.

If not, he is in a great deal of trouble now with the police, the club, the fans, and above all, his pregnant wife. Her hormones already very active are going to take off. If he has a head left, football won't be a priority.

Hopefully he isn't an absolute plonker.

Whatever next? Leighton Baines arrested for music downloading piracy? Tom Davies filmed in Sefton Park dogging?

In all seriousness, why does Wayne seem determined to tarnish his reputation and legacy? He should have learned after granny-gate all those years ago.

Gazza, Shandy, Rooney, Drenthe, Gibson...all damaging our reputation.

The complications of the man's evening may have( in his mind) necessitated his decision to take the wheel of the said car. Whether he was pissed as a fart , or slightly over the current regulations is relevant.

He can be accused of stupidity or reckless behaviour, but it is still possible that he misjudged his alcohol consumption and was over our UK limit.< Surely we should all take into account the difference of taking the wheel of a car in a busy area at noon, and having two pints in a semi rural area and driving at 2am, with very little traffic or pedestrians about.

Just because the man is rich doesn't mean he will always make the correct call. I will not condemn him until I hear the actual facts of the matter.

There's a limit. There's a limit for a reason. Just about every adult in this country knows the limit. It's the same whatever time of day and no matter what the surroundings.

Over the limit is over the limit. People who are killed by over-the-limit drivers aren't a little bit dead, or less dead because the driver was "just" over. People who are over the limit, even "just" over the limit, then knowingly drive, without it being a matter of life or death, have no defence.

When I was 18-20 I could knock back 6-7 pints no problem.. but the alcoholic content was, as I understand it, lower than today's beer or lager. I recall Lager being available in few pubs in the mid sixties before it became as popular as it is now. Like wine, 9%-10% was quite common but these days it can be 14.5%.

So,in effect, it is much easier to slip over the limit than in the past, especially if the alcoholic content is much more than you realise. I only drink wine now and never touch alcohol if I am driving. Too risky.

Anyway when Coleen gets home, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes, never mind when he meets up with Koeman. He could end up at Sunderland at this rate.

This could add Further strength into this seasons challenge.

I lived the UK for many years; I've lived in The Netherlands and Belgium and now I'm back home in Ireland and I can honestly say I cannot tell you the actual limit in any country; because it's different for everyone; weight, height, what you've eaten.

Rooney apparently was drinking since early afternoon so there's no excuse, but the limit eludes me, so it's best not to have any.

We all smelled there was something wrong with his fitness, he looks saggy on the field, his pace has gone away along with the alcohol habit.

At least Duncan gave his all for the club, on the field where it matters, this situation will leave a foul stench on Rooney, he needs to be monitored every step from now on, one more episode and I want him out of the club.

It is that simple, this is professional sports, not the primadonna Rooney show, I will personally throw him out of the club if he starts making waves after being diciplined by Koeman.

Just when I thought I had seen the worst after TDD, this "little nugget" is released by the media.

I have seen the shape of his hips/stomach and there is no way this guy is not an alcoholic, I bet this has been going on for some time.

We always pick up the low hanging fruit from Man Utd that they want rid of. Either we were fooled by United, or Koeman knew all about this when he came here.

This stinks to high heaven, United have sat on this info along with Everton, what is next???
Koeman will resign and complain to the media he was not given what was promised to him.

Kenwright, you utter complete idiot, get out of this club!!!

As for the Rooney thing. Prob exhausted it. Some for their own reasons want to state the law and condemn. Others see it as not quite as easy as there are degrees. Others just take the piss in great TW tradition. In the end we will remain in our views based on our experiences I guess.

Given what's all over the papers this morning it sounds like a media set up, as it's not taken very long for the 'young lady' in question to sell her story, why oh why are these footballers such easy targets.

He's undone all the positive news he's generated since arriving back in one evening.

'I have seen the shape of his hips/stomach and there is no way this guy is not an alcoholic'

What medical school did you attend, Jimmy?

What an absolute self-opinionated idiotic rant. The lad has been caught drink driving; the fine or the ban won't be severe enough for him or any drunk driver but why the fuck bring Kenwright or Koeman into it?

"Kenwright get out of this club" – for fuck's sake grow up, the only idiot is Rooney. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" – must be fucking great being you.

The snarling, self-satisfied vitriol of many of the posters above is just the start. Posters no doubt who have never made a mistake in their lives.

10 hour sesh though, can't imagine he thought of anything as he came out of that bar with a willing girl in tow. Funny how some think footballers are somehow immune from being stupid. I imagine when he retires, he'll blow up to about 20 stone and be on the sauce every day. I wonder if his missus will still be by his side after the lights have faded?

Why hasn't Rooney got a personal chauffer on 24 hour stand by if he wants to be a drinker? It would cost him 㾶 an hour ffs... It wasn't that long ago Wazza was getting put to kip in his kitchen pretend boxing whilst drunk with Phil Beardsley. Did the blow wobble Wayne's Brain?

Man Utd do us over once again. They get the best young striker in Europe for buttons and we get a washed up plonky Wayne Rooney obviously taking the piss out of all concerned at EFC, fans included. It just gets better and better but what should we expect at the Premier League's most shambolic club.

The sooner Kenwright is gone, the better. Take Dutch Moyes with him and bring in people who want to win – not just survive and tread water. Everton FC – the club that just keeps on giving.

Wayne Rooney hang your head in shame lad.Just not good enough in this era of football... The days of George Best, Stan Bowles and Gazza are long gone. Grow the fuck up.

This could drag on for weeks...

What I think is out of order is to go on an all day bender in public and then to be so pissed he drives off in some daft wannabe wag story tellers car, who snares him for being a drunken fucking idiot.

He was just starting to win me round as well.

What a fucking idiot.

Unfortunately he's our well paid idiot.

You also miss out the fact he was about to cheat on his wife, and to top it off she's pregnant!

What a true gent!

A 4pm farewell party for gobshite Wes Brown turns into a major bender. Can't wait for the social media to start with all the photos of him and the other blurts making a show of themselves.

The club should fine him and make an example of him either by giving him a ban or even getting shut asap. We can do without this.

Charge = not convicted. I am sure Rooney will come here and read this stuff..not!

Rooney does some stupid things which is why the press is on his back and has been throughout his professional football career. What does it mean though for Everton as it could have tarnished the brand that is Wayne Rooney PLC (so to speak). Rooney is a role model for the young especially. I would have thought at his age he would have wisened up by now. Let's face it lots of people his age and younger, and older 'still' drink n drive; it is just that Roonie is in the public eye.. so his name, 'the brand' gets dragged through the mud, as it were.

It's a bit obvious what's happened here. Rooney's Mrs is overseas on holiday; Rooney wants to bang this random bird he's pulled in the pub... Rather than get a taxi and leave the driver selling the story to the papers, Rooney chooses to drive the random (tidy looking) bird back to her place in her VW. Little did Rooney count on the cops pulling him over...

Not only will he be in the shit at Everton, his pregnant Mrs will kick his ass for nearly cheating.

Wayne, you should know better. He has only been out of the England squad 5 minutes and he is already acting like a plonker.

By the way, a man on his wages can surely do better than be driving a VW Beetle??? Maybe he was trying to recreate Herbie Rides Again?? What an idiot.

Daily Tory lit up over this one and so are some people on here. Support the kid, don't knock him for a silly mistake.

And she runs to the gutter press who are only too happy to launch her "celeb" career. What a tool.

He's 31 for fucks sake, not an 18-year-old lad. He's Captained his country and his club. He's an icon for young footballers all over the world, just recall the greeting EFC got in Tanzania and all because of Rooney. And he behaves like this?

Okay, if the "mistake" he made resulted in him ploughing into a bus queue or taxi rank and killing people, would it still be... "Well,you know, one of the lads, we all do it"?

FFS.

Wayne is of this Parish, the prodigal son has returned, get behind a fellow blue FFS.

Up the toffees.

Just a quick glance and I see the girl called a tramp, that is charming, what is the proof. Also he was about to cheat on Colleen again pure speculative bullshit.

Some of you should be gossiping over a fence like the old women you are.

Of course, to get behind the wheel of a car after a drinking session is dangerous. My only argument is about the facts.

When he is in court on September the 18th, we will find out how much alcohol was in his system.

His personal life is his own business- I don't want to know who or what our players are doing in their penthouses or greenhouses. I only care about his ability to play football.

For those in the ToffeeWeb moral maze – we are sponsored by a gambling company, in a League stuffed full of oligarchs and sheikhs with a gravy train that runs right out of Murdoch's station. Players, agents, tapping-up and unsightly wealth. Wayne Rooney is not the Antichrist – let's get on with football.

I don't remember people cutting Gibson slack when he did it. There are NO excuses. Pass me the stone, I'll throw it.

His wife will be pissed off, but she's also used to the rags making more out of a story than likely ever happened.

Men make this sort of mistake every night of the week, but it doesn't make the papers, therefore it's a silly mistake. It's not that big a deal.

Earlier this year, things looked so good didn't they? Promises of the new ground, a good start to the transfer window, European football etc etc. All seems to be starting to unravel somewhat.

On top of an uninspiring last week in the transfer window, we have this. The media dislikes Everton and only tolerated Rooney because he was at Old Trafford. They will love this!

I' m just waiting for Boys Pen Bill to come out and say that we really would have loved the Bramley-Moore site but hey y'know a new build in Croxteth will be just as good.

Driving a car over the limit is a crime for a reason, and it's a crime that claims hundreds of lives every year in the UK. Luckily, most of us have wised up to that, so the number of deaths has dropped from 1,600 to just over 200 in the last 35 years.

Until bellends like Rooney wise up, that number won't drop any further. I don't give a shit whether it's in the papers or not, anyone who drinks and drives deserves our disdain not our sympathy.

Yes, if he'd run someone over, or killed a person then fine, it's a terrible crime, but since there was actually no incident at all, as far as I'm concerned it's a stupid thing to do, and yes, a crime which he'll be punished for.

The crime is being over the limit, not killing anyone, and that's the point I'm making about it happening all the time. Whopper my arse.

"at least Duncan gave his all for the club" - wow
Ferguson was a million times worse. He couldn't lay off the booze when injured and so delayed his recovery considerably. What about all the stories of him being too hungover to play? What about all the times he was knackered after 30 minutes? He strolled around the pitch because he had no stamina for his entire career. The guy never gave his all, he never realised 25% of his potential, all because he couldn't behave. So don't give me that shit. Ferguson just lived in less scrutinised times, without camera phones, when everything could be dismissed as rumour.

Until we all get past the idea that, as long as you don't kill a kid, drink driving is just a silly mistake, then hundreds will carry on dying on the roads every year. If you are pissed and you get behind the wheel of a car, you've gone beyond stupid. You've gone into reckless and dangerous.

Something suitable to fit the crime as you see it...

Btw I don't think he should be sacked. James makes one decent point (IMO) in that he'll be dealt with by the courts.

What should happen IMO is that part of the punishment should involve meeting up with people who've lost loved ones to drivers over the limit and listen to their story.

Sometimes it's difficult to see the big picture when what you "get away with" appears to have no consequences.

I don't think I'm taking the moral high ground or being holier than thou but people who drive over the limit piss me right off because they're basically not giving a fuck for anyone and to me the punishment should be the same as the punishment should be for using a pbone while driving: first offence 12 month ban and a big fine. Second offence banned for life.

Harsh? Not in my book because someone who does it twice is either too fucking stupid to learn or too fucking selfish to care.

It would be interesting to know of anyone else who has been banned for DD.

I was - in 1990 - very unfortunate, no driving offence leading to it - just a check on all drivers on a particular road in the festive season. I was very marginal. When the reading is low on the breathometer it will go to blood, so I had to wait for a doc to arrive. Later, the PC who did me was actually very sympathetic and said that if the guy had been 20 minutes longer getting there my reading would have been within limits. Fact is, it wasn't - there is no grey area and I cycled for a year. (Got bloody fit actually and took up bike racing after that.)

Fact also is there is a prevalent ignorance about the dangers of driving generally. Consistent speeding leading to a ban is as bad as having 'one pint too many'. Regarding the drink drive thing, it is ironic that if you were to ask most people why they chose not to drive after a drink they would answer the risk of getting caught, not the risk of an accident or of injuring or worse, killing someone. Try it with a few people and see if I am right.

Fact also is that you do not have to be over the drink drive limit to have impaired judgement. Just the more you drink, the more impaired you become. At the end of the day, without wishing to get biblical, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. If any of you have had a drink and then driven, you cannot know if you were 'under the limit' even if you thought you were but believe me your reactions would not be as good as if you had been on Becks Blue or some such. So it comes back actually to the risk of getting caught.

I am the last person to be able to preach and there is NO mitigation for Wayne Rooney whatsoever (or anyone else for that matter), particularly given his resources, but is the conscious ignorance of the dangers which leads to DD. It sounds possibly as if the brain in his dick was in control here, and if he was just after a quick shag with some bird that is just as irresponsible, although not illegal of course. Could prove considerably more painful though, once Coleen found out. Gelding sans anesthesia not to be recommended.

Someone above said that there should be a zero tolerance policy and I would agree with that. It would remove the doubt, but folk would still take the risk sadly.

Education is the answer but when it comes to driving, again sadly people are slow to learn whether it is drinking, speeding, talking on the phone (as big if not a bigger risk than drinking almost) or anything else. Status, profession, rank or riches seems to make no difference.

At the end of the day, guys, remember - drivers cause accidents, not traffic, and many things can make us worse drivers, not just the drinking.

The club need to discipline (not sack) him and Wayne needs to show contrition and fucking mean it. I hope Colleen kicks him from one end of the mansion to the other.

That's a good way to be I have to say, and very unusual for an Evertonian because if there's anything that would drive you to drink (no pun intended).

You'll no doubt be more aware than any of us what it's like to be stone-cold sober when others around you are at various levels of drunkeness!! It's an education and a pain in the arse.

I do not think people are trying to underplay the potential serious consequences of drink driving. But when they hear the mob carring the pitchforks and nooses they are uncomfortable. From experience of human nature, behind every pitchfork there is a hypocrite.

Kim, with the greatest of respect.

No defence in law sure. Excuse?Oh there could be loads. Taking child to hospital? Saving dying person? Etc etc

Life never simple eh sadly

James #162, he's driving a drunk woman home in her car at 2AM with his wife and kids out of the country, and you call it "speculative bullshit." Righto.

Some folks here pathetically eager to invent excuses for him.

Brilliantly put.

Just waiting for someone to deny ever being hypocritical or perhaps there are degrees?

Not religious but the 'let those without sin throw the first ." well it is first post now. Makes some sense.

But I hear the pitchfork yell, that means we canna criticise anyone?
Well no. Just means a bit of thought may be useful.

1. The parish priest
2. The juror
3. The legal expert (bar-room lawyer)
4. The marriage guidance councillor
5. The social worker
6. The sports psychologist
7. Human rights expert (bar-room lawyer)
8. The 'death penalty' types.
9. Mary Whitehouse types
10. Quietly tutting over their glasses types.

If I've ever get into (any more) trouble , I hope it doesn't make these pages!

Brian - I used to run a pub, so I'm acutely aware of drinkers, their attitudes and habits and as you point out, as a non-drinker you get a somewhat different perspective of how people behave when they drink. I also used to drink quite heavily as a younger person (I'm mid 40's now) so I know how it affects me as well.

I have driven drunk (20 years ago) and I'm not proud of it - I also didn't have a crash, or get pulled for it, although I was once pulled over drunk but not breathalysed, and amazingly given a police escort home with a flat tyre!

All I'm really saying is that I think Rooney has done something stupid, made a mistake, and given that he hasn't injured anyone, the penalty should be in line with the crime - I don't know the penalties but I imagine a year driving ban would suffice, and seriously doubt he'd do anything as crazy again.

I'm sorry but no, people upset at this act are not some mob. Through my job I have the privilege of getting to drive press cars. As part of this agreement I can not have any alcohol before driving one of these cars. But more importantly I also have the privilege of attending driving instruction centers and experience centers.

At these instruction centers you drive in all simulated environments. You drive on painted asphalt with water to see the extreme of aquaplaning and simply trying to adjust to unexpected losses of traction. There are parts that grip and suddenly no grip at all. You see how quickly and decisively you must react to avoid a spin or being thrown completely off track, where any number of real life hazards could be (people, light posts, guard rails or trees).

You also have bump pads that will suddenly pop up and send you into a spin that requires the driver to correct the spin immediately, otherwise it's lost. Any slowed reactions here and it is too late, you're out of control with a giant piece of metal weighing thousands of pounds going in whichever direction it wants at whatever speed you were at.

These exercises are difficult enough when fully sober and expecting them. Put any substance that slows reaction and impairs decision making into the equation and the results are hilarious if they weren't so deadly in real life. Whether in a loaded Porsche 911 or a Honda, it's up to the driver to know how to control their machine and know what to do when the unexpected happens.

To be operating a machine like this at 2am after drinking is shameful and completely inexcusable. It's not a small thing just because nobody was hurt this time. It's a selfish act that can easily have very deadly consequences to those outside the car while you sit comfortably inside with all air bags and seat belts designed to keep you safe.

Nit putting money on the collection plate is right up there.

It is of course someone in Rooney's position has done this - he's not the first or last as we all know, but he is a human being just like the rest of us, and God knows how much our judgement is impaired when we've had a skinful - not an excuse, but a fact. I've done some stupid fucking things pissed, some of which got me arrested when I was younger, though not driving related - would I do those things sober? Hell no, not even back in the day when I was a right pain in the arse!

If this goes on we will miss the next game as some will be carrying banners in Cheshire, others will be still trying to dismount from that tall horse and the rest will be in therapy because it is a cruel world.

Or he just pulled earlier.

Not if you just want change from the 10p you've just put in.

Men DO make this sort of "mistake" every day, but it doesn't excuse it.
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Roll on next week, lets have some footy

Some corset adjusting and gossip out of the corner of the mouth is happening on several posts lately.
Pack it in please chaps.

Thank God for the racing, that's all I say!

I didn't say it was the girl's fault, the only person at fault is Rooney.

But it was obviously a honey trap and I wouldn't be surprised if she or one of her mates phoned the police after she convinced him to drive her home. She wasted no time going to the press to sell her story. I am not making excuses for him, read post #107.

Oh and wise up to the world of reality TV which I suspect is her motive.

A way before my time but they used to show his films on a Sunday afternoon, usually when it was slashing down.
Try this below, Dave, for a bit of nostalgia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GQe8CKCrbg

I'm sure Rooney, the club and us will all survive this. I hope his couch is comfy we don't want him playing wing a sore back and a stiff neck.

I'm sure Rooney, the club and us will all survive this. I hope his couch is comfy we don't want him playing wing a sore back and a stiff neck.

He's let himself down here big time.
The fuckin kipper on her.

I always say there's nothing to grow-up for, except gaining a bit of knowledge, but as me mar always told me, when the beer is in, the wit is out, so he's best just staying off the ale, and hope that the people closest to him, can still look him in the eye.

Honestly think that his head would fall off if his wife wanted to divorce him, and it wouldn't do his kids any good either, so I hope it soon blows over for their sakes.

What better than two scouse reprobates to have a little Mersonesque dig at us all.

A question; I've lived in The States for 4 years now and am totally astounded at the cultural acceptance to this crime. A car culture and poor public transport are often used to ease the guilt. But it's amazing me how most people think it's okay.

Am I just a Brit who feels more acutely about this or can any State side ToffeeWebbers echo or give a rebuttal to this?

Most police forces will not prosecute unless you are 0.100 mg or higher. So in theory you could be 3 times more drunk and still be allowed to drive in North America. Maybe Rooney should have moved to MLS...

Much bigger and seriously strong beers in comparison to the UK. So the limit is adjusted accordingly I think?

I can't emphasize enough that it's really very normal for people to have 3/4 drinks and jump into their car.

The more rural you get, the correlation becomes stronger too. I've had to decline lifts etc because of it. Socially still not policed by the people, so it's acceptable.

To be honest not even sure over here what the penalty is and how severe?

We moved to a town, in part so we could walk to bars/restaurants, it was that weird having to drive everywhere and not get even a sniff of the bar maids apron!

As you say, the kipper on it.

With a loaded gun against my 'nads, I couldn't get the little soldier to stand for that entitled, my-minge-is-worth-a-million, celebrity-chasing dog. Those kind of women are a species all alone, and easy to spot from a hundred yards. As if the drink-driving wasn't daft enough, he latches on to a social-media leech. The trouble has only just begun.

I might be wrong, and it may have changed, but it's irrelevant to me. Despite being far from an angelical slave to some of our ridiculously oppressive driving laws, I have never driven or ridden at or near the limit, and rarely ever with any at all, anyway. I prefer to stay sharp when I'm breaking the law!

The thing I noticed when I arrived was a huge emphasis on driving a vehicle that would protect you in a crash. "Have you ever thought about driving so that you don't get into a crash?" I would ask people. It's only in the last year or two that our company has ramped up its safety awareness with a campaign focused on the conviction that all accidents are avoidable.

Wayne... sort yourself out, lad, or just do one.

Flashing blue lights, he pulled over and said, "I'm sorry" ... sounds like this tramp is apologising to Rooney for taking advantage of a proper little dickhead to me!

Premier League... oh, hasn't it all been so good?

I agree with Tony, this has all the stink of a set-up. Wayne is still a gobshite though for falling for this.

I see the same here now (UK). There is little technical focus on cars and driving now, merely status considerations ("What does your car say about you?"), iPod and internet connectivity, or a chance to strut your eco-awareness. More a fashion accessory.

Driving has been gradually bedevilled over the last couple of decades, as part of global policy. There's no interest, no enthusiasm, and when that goes, bang go the standards. New drivers frightened or in modern-speak, "Not confident" to go on the motorway (statistically five times safer) without further training.

Everyone talks the safety talk, we're all bouncing over speed bumps at 20 mph. Young drivers now have often been nailed for 25 - 30 hours of instruction (much more than before), there's a theory test, they have to be taught how to dip their oil, and so on. And yet, the standard of driving is absolute crap, and dropping by the year.

DD is crazy, but there are many other problems on the roads, too. The answer though as ever, seems not to improve, but to punish transgression. Still, as long as we all creep along at a snail's pace, all will be well.

Not that it will matter in time. The driverless cars will be here, and then we can all be really "Safe" – but kiss goodbye forever to the freedom and pleasure of affordable travel.

Tony – nowadays, that is a real possibility. Sadly, the outcome is the same.

We all now have a role to play in getting behind what we still have and driving them on. The goodwill of the fanbase is a huge consideration in gaining the momentum results wise.

This forum provides a huge spectrum of opinions, both positive and negative, but we all want the same thing, don't we?? COYB

Sounds like he needs special medical help, we can't just sack him. He is one of us, and although he has done the wrong thing, he needs our support more than ever, or he will go the same way as Gazza. Do we want that?

He got nicked on Thursday and she was quoted on Friday saying she wanted to go into Celebrity Jungle on the telly. He's been out of Liverpool too long if he didn't see this set up.

Next one is her mate will have photos on her phone.

Some people can afford it more than others, but it's usually the ones that can't that come out of these situations a little bit better off, because nobody really gives a fuck.

I haven't seen any papers, but I bet you this story is big news in most of them. What a fucked up society we really live in now, but at least this bird will be able to sort her snout out with the money she's gonna make!

Sickener though mate that he's not seen it. Elephants trunk as a cunt, no doubt, but where were his mates to pull him out?

He needs a refresher course in the Western.

She's young and stupid and he should 100% fucking know better and pay more respect to his wife and family.

Well that's that moral issue sorted then!

Next week: False tits and their role in the Brexit negotiations...

Alternatively, it is not too remote to suggest in any event, the acquisition and or retention of information appertaining to the important stuff – insofar as the social other capital is concerned – makes it inaccessible in which in absentia (omission) meant these aforesaid persons are not likely to think substantively.

In other words, the local society with its limitations necessarily dumbs the person down... to keep them dull-minded to never question the system.

Okay that was boring. Come on, pissing competition aside, can we not just focus on Rooney's football and not his right to a private life?

It's not all women. Just this boot. 😁

Role model? My arse.

Fair enough.
She's a football boot.

Yeah and then there "may' be;

Try tax evasion that means your auntie X dies because we didn't have the care staff.

Your brother who lost his job after 36 years & gets less than squat from the state insurance he paid for.

Your cousin who has cerebral palsy & needs your gran coz you cannot be there.

Rooney - yeah bad. Check the robbing bastards who are his neighbours. Maybe they allow more to die and are clever enough to know it and avoid ever addressing that.

Same fuckers own our club and most of the Premier League. Let's not live in fantasy.

For £6k a month she's all yours pal, 👍

It's not an attack.

Wow, is she more to blame than the married guy, with the kids who has everything to lose, or as a grown man is he exonerated because he had a few drinks? Even if she planned it, he had to be willing!!?? no?

Seeing as this is a football post, does anyone think Mirallas could be used as a possible center forward until January?

Mirallas up front when Lewin isn't, with Rooney and Sandro buzzing about either side and Sigurdsson just behind? Of course it depends on the team formation!

Something like this – a foolish dalliance by Rooney with a young 'office worker' named Laura who seems to enjoy 'a good time' – is guaranteed to awaken the penchant for instant judgement from all of us.

It seems from this thread that the moralistic positions adopted by the punters are, once again, all over the map. We don't all think alike. Some accuse Rooney; some accuse Laura... It takes two to tango.

And others are on Google trying find out what those annoying fins and gills are for.

"Mam- can I fuck crustacea?"

"Not yet bonnie lad. When you're 200m years old pet". (Apols, Geordie mam).

Mirallas, with a point to prove, would be worth a go up top, but it's upto,the manager now to work out his best options, which will obviously change sometimes because of injuries, and the extra games we will now be playing.

I hope we start playing 4-5-1 sometimes, with two wide-men, and two attacking midfielders, but somehow I can't see it happening that much.

Tony, I meant the outcome will be essentially the same for Wayne, whether a set-up or not.

I don't get your point as I lay all the blame for any wrongdoing with the married father of 3/4.

It's very rare that I judge, but it's very often that I like to have a laugh. The girl, is getting the stick because she's after a bit of fame, but the joke is on Rooney because, whatever way you look at it, he's the one who has fucked up.

I hope it all blows over, because the Rooneys have got three young children, with another on the way, whereas it seems to me that this girl has nothing to lose but maybe quite a bit to gain with regards to making a few quid and her face all over the papers.

Fame and fortune... but more likely fish and chips!

John, I think the insults are a manifestation of feelings toward the type of woman she is - an over-contrived, intercontinental ballistic sausage seeker for hire, to celebs and those with the money. So overt and obvious, she's a parody of her own self. Far as I can see, it's only been one female getting the stick, not "Females".

Maybe she's "Misunderstood"?

A good point well made.

What may have led "some" of the posters to give the girl a hard time (no pun intended) is the possibility that she "may" before, during or after the fact, have been less "innocent drunken girl" and more "girl on the make".

If the papers are to be believed (I know, I know), she is registered on a site that advertises her "time" to older financially solvent gentlemen for the princely sum of ٤,000, a sugar daddy site I believe it's referred to.

Follow that with her willingness, and some would say hurry, to get the full story into the papers, which would tend to debunk any theory that she sobered up and felt utterly embarrassed and tried to lay low 'til things blew over, and it's understandable that some would question her motives and her morals.

Does that excuse Wayne Rooney? Certainly not. Do some of the comments constitute mysogyny? Personally, I'd say no. The posters with which other posters seem to have taken issue appear to be directing their feelings towards this single individual woman for her "behaviour". I don't believe that constitutes mysogyny, which doesn't make it any less distasteful to "some."

I have to say, Michael, I commend you and the team for "letting things run" and not turning ToffeeWeb into an overly sanitized site. People are allowed their opinions and people are allowed to be obnoxious, stupid, and less than perfect (within the rules of the site and the laws of the land) just as other people are within their rights to voice their distaste at some of those other people.

But I've never known anyone to be arrested for being obnoxious, stupid, and less than perfect... well, not until around 2am the other morning that is.

John - keep 'em coming!,"Not into misogyny at all but this young lass will more than likely have had enough Blackpool Rock to put a handrail around the Isle of Man. "

John - keep 'em coming!,,,1,19:18:19,,81.108.253.187,ok,19747,09/03/2017 19:18:19,Overdrive,reader,, 847492,35433,toffeeweb,03/09/2017,Will Mabon,stevesunbury@gmx.co.uk,""I hope we start playing 4-5-1 sometimes, with two wide-men, and two attacking midfielders, but somehow I can't see it happening that much. "

That appears to be about all we've got for now, as far as any kind of attacking football – and I'll be surprised if it happens, too.

FFS - She's a prozzie and he's a fucking idiot. There is no 'other' take on this story. There's a bleeding heart for everyone. No doubt if Rooney was being blown off whilst driving, there would be some calling for a whip round for a stint in a sex addiction clinc. Strange times we live in.

When a person drinks alcohol to excess, essentially you are creating a different person (another you) and the very least you can expect is for your judgement on all things to become impaired and you will usually make bad choices a lot of the time.

[Walks away with hands in pockets, whistling]

And we played quite well when he had Cahill and Fellaini being swapped around in a game as the main strikers, if I recall correctly!

Members of that gang have also been known to use the services of the oldest profession.

It's not just for mere mortals.

I can guarantee if this lass had come on to half the fellas on here, they would have been driving that Beetle home like Ayrton fucking Senna.

Denise Barrett whatever the fuck came out and started chatting. She said there was some community programme for helping smokers and people who drank too much. We had a ball telling her how we smoked 100 a day and 2 bottles of vodka if Everton won a game.

In all seriousness, she gave us her personal number. The World's fucked lads...

...and the other half driving away like Hamilton, with me on pole.

But you are not taking into consideration the elevated principles of the older man.

When you can no longer take your ale and birds will no longer give you the time of day... it's very easy to be critical of piss-heads and womanisers.

Good line.,"But you are not taking into consideration the elevated principles of the older man."

Good line.,,,1,19:51:49,,81.108.253.187,ok,19747,09/03/2017 19:51:49,Overdrive,reader,, 847511,35433,toffeeweb,03/09/2017,John G Davies,jdavies150@outlook.com,"True very true, as we grow older our performance levels dip.
I noticed that three times last night and twice this morning.

Two up front with this guy, Tony? I'd like to see it tried, but I'd be stunned. Not so many managers like it nowadays, though. Would help if we had enough personnel, too.

How about Dominic Calvert-Lewin and A N Other in a two?

I think Oliver has called this one right, the ale can turn mice into Lions, and make Miss Piggy look like Miss World. No wonder nearly everybody loves it!

However, tonight my wife is away and I scrolled through. There are lots of comments that I take issue with but way too late to do that now, some fact, some opinion, some guess.

Just one thing though, when women seek to exploit relatively young men whose skills with a football outweigh their maturity, judgment and social skills they are called appalling names and have their physical appearance denigrated; when men do the same thing they are called agents or representatives.

I should hop on my high horse to berate or silence those taking the high moral ground against this 'office worker' (using the term a little tongue-in-cheek, Dermot @#307, as this seemed to the best presumably neutral title the tabloids could come up with before they found the sugar daddy site registration) because you want everyone to follow your lead and take the high moral ground against our flawed star player?

Sorry, not happening. Like I said, two to tango. Is that simple fact not visible from your lofty position?

In the end, silliness by those involved and fantastic madness by us all who are not quite in this relationship!

In the end, who cares? I am sure the Premier League Bistro doesn't give a fuck about us.

Amen brother, now give us a donation!

I know this is a divisive issue. This is a football site and our primary concern is Everton.

I admit, I am now scared about this season. I had high hopes that the return of the prodigal son would reap major benefits. This might derail that beyond repair.

However, there are wider issues. Exploitation – a two-way street. Irresponsibility – a personal choice. Driving after drinking – another personal choice... but one with consequences.

What I don't respect are people on this site who liberally describe anyone with a differing opinion about the Everton we all support as "straw-men" and the rest of the insults (dictionary definition: "a person regarded as having no substance or integrity"). Most Toffees have integrity, even with diverging opinions.

Getting back to Rooney I have allowed him some licence since his return given the fact that he's a dyed-in-the-wool Blue, despite my misgivings re his fitness, professionalism etc. In the event of conviction it won't just be his driving licence he loses as far as I'm concerned though.

Darren @ 326 , John G @ 330 , Tony @ 333 and Brian @ 347

I just can't help myself.
I apologise to anyone offended by my admission.

Has Rooney been an absolute prat? Completely! As someone very pleased with his initial contribution this season, especially given our late transfer deadline shambles regarding a striker, I am saddened that not only is he getting the drinks in on his self-imposed international career – but clearly his fitness levels mean little to him as well!

Driving after drinking (regardless of how far over the limit) is not acceptable or morally justifiable in this day and age, and why the hell even drive yourself when you can afford a personal driver or pay for a taxi for the rest of your bloody life!

In some way, the moral aspect is another issue. I have no idea about Colleen's and Wayne's personal strength of relationship. I can only imagine what my wife would say if I found myself in a similar situation with another lady (although if she was abroad and pregnant at the time, I'd be concerned our bond was not as strong as it could be!)

The other woman in question is clearly seeing her moment of fame (and fortune) – so she doesn't particularly get a positive view from me – but Rooney's idiocy goes beyond that!

So how as a true blue do I cope with Rooney stepping on the pitch next time? A celebrity buffoon – probably (but let's face it, Big Dunc has been there already!) A sad reminder of our 'everything goes' world of today – definitely! Has he ruined the 'homecoming' narrative promoted by Kenwright and others? Undoubtedly!

However, I am old enough not to need role models in my life (sadly unlike our younger fans who will see Rooney's behaviour as nothing to aspire to, hopefully). If he shows me he can perform on the pitch and help us reach a higher level than our squad and manager currently suggest, then he has served his role as far as EFC is concerned!

Isn't it sad though, that our heroes are such paper tigers? Even old fogeys like me would like some hope that the real world doesn't always intrude on the field of Goodison Park. Ho hum... maybe Colleen can make more sense out of it all!

You seem to be having trouble with this strawman lark.

Let me explain. It's the argument that is often referred to as straw-man, not the individual.

Straw-man Argument ; The deliberate misrepresentation of another person's standpoint. It's rife in politics, banter... and on TW.

Example; "Barkley compared to Alan Ball???"

It's not offensive at all... to those who understand the difference. Those who don't, could "Just dance and be merry" Their lives "would be a Ding-a-Derry"

If they only had a brain.

I don't care what Rooney does on his own time. I didn't care when the likes of Pienaar or Gibson were done for drink driving. If they've broken the law then they deserve to be punished like anyone else.

All this faux outrage, this shock horror that a very rich, bored young man might want to bang a slightly attractive young woman with big tits after a few drinks is laughable.

I'm sure none of you have ever been tempted, or thought about it. If you have then you know the answer. A cold shower and three Hail Marys. Give me a break.

A dictionary is a useful tool if you know how to use it.

You simply need to understand what it is you are trying to find out.

He has been a tit, naive, and should know better. But If he can save his marriage and mend his ways, it's got to be the best outcome for all. I hope they sort it.

To be fair, I've never known the term Straw Man in terms of a discussion classed as a pejorative. As Darren points out it is a description of the argument and not the person who is arguing.

I do realise it has more meanings than I know about though.

NOUN
1 An intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. ‘her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach' as modifier ‘you are constructing a straw man argument'

2 A person regarded as having no substance or integrity. ‘a photogenic straw man gets inserted into office and advisers dictate policy'

Seeing something of a pattern here: Koeman not assuring him of of being first choice; not making him captain; bringing in at least two other players in his position; Conte not answering his phone to reassure him of where he would play; and finally a fear that he would not get a lot of games...

Still strange to me that a player would seek such assurances. Surely the way to ensure you are picked is to play really really well, in every game. How about it, Ross?

He will pocket a bigger fee and Everton will get 㿀m or so less.

Now whether he is doing this because he feels cast adrift at Everton, or simply because he's a money grabbing tosser is up for debate. I think he's the latter.

Not been to that club in my Whitehall days; frequented School Dinners. No complaints about a thumb in your soup.

If you want to know what a 'straw man' is, google 'Worzel Gummidge'.

He was offered a new contract.
He rejected the new contract.
He want to play Champions League.
The club accepted a £35M offer for him from Chelsea.
He turned it down, without having a medical.

[That bit about the medical has conflicting apparently reputable sources in Barkley himself, versus the perhaps now less reputable Farhad Moshiri.]

Everything else is speculation, rumour, hearsay. The pattern I was seeing is in that speculation, rumour, hearsay... for what it's worth. Possibly nothing.

Same about Peter Warren's conviction that it's all about money – that Ross is a money-grabbing tosser. Zero evidence of that... but it's not going to stop people believing it if that is their preferred angle.

Same with those saying he does not want to play for Everton and never will do again. Some believe he doesn't want to play for Koeman but it's a bit dangerous to predict the future with such confidence. Stranger things have happened.

He is a role model for the younger players and a shit one given his behaviour. There is an argument for sacking him and the club should not shy away from that conclusion if the circumstances warrant it.

And who knows what Coleen will do to him.Professional. Pah. Knob.

I didn't want Rooney back at the club as I personally think going back is not going forward!! I want him gone with immediate effect.

Introducing a new "zero tolerance" rule from this point would affect all equally.

The club has no intention of sacking him, none at all.

I had gradually come around to see value in his return. With the benefit of hindsight, I now wish that we hadn't re-signed him. Any "dressing room benefit" could be greatly outweighed by the media circus and turmoil in his personal life yet to come if Colleen does sack him.

So much for Rooney's international retirement to concentrate on winning trophies with Everton, unless his first target is "the yard of ale".

If all footballers who were convicted over the years for this had been sacked, there would be even longer queues down the dole.

Duncan Ferguson served a custodial sentence for assault and was banned for drink driving, yet to some he is a legend. Never heard calls for him to be sacked. Double standards, I'd say.

We do know, it seems, that he was on the lash for several hours after training at a time when his fitness and physical health is paramount. Still a knob.

What I find a little bewildering, though, was why was she not driving? – her car.

A mate of mine went to a dinner where George Best was the speaker. He was getting barracked by a fuckwit at the back and responded by asking said fuckwit how many Miss Worlds had he shagged. The barracking soon stopped.

My point is these guys live in a different universe to the rest of us. Give him a break. If he puts three in past the Red Shite on derby day, I'll bend over the dashboard for him myself!!!!!!!.

Which lends more credence to the theory that Wayne has been set up and is in fact what we all knew anyway, a talented footballer but thick as two short ones. Colleen should be belting him all over the house (after the kids have gone to bed).

Lol. Very funny!

Lol. V funny,,,1,18:07:43,,66.249.93.91,ok,19546,09/05/2017 18:07:43,debyrne,reader,, 847931,35433,toffeeweb,05/09/2017,Brian Williams,brianwilliams_uk@yahoo.co.uk,"My point is these guys live in a different universe to the rest of us. Give him a break. If he puts three in past the Red Shite on derby day, I'll bend over the dashboard for him myself!!!!!!!.

Well YOU won't be casting any stones after you do that, mate!

As for Rooney and his girl, I don't really care whether the girl is ugly, rough or beautiful, it has no bearing on the amount of sex I am getting (which is minimal to be fair) but I would rather Rooney be sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber trying to maximise his physical capabilities than sinking 6 pints and then hoping to cut it in the 'best league in the world'.

I was at Chelsea last week and we were shit. Rooney looked tired and I am sure 6 pints didn't do him good in the sharpness stakes, even if he did have a lie in the next day, so...

If I recall correctly, with just a few minutes to go, he picked up a ball wide left and went past three men with pace and guile, something I'd not seen him do for many a year. As usual of course having done that he looked up to find no support, no-one offering themselves, and subsequently got crowded out.

I have no interest in tabloid shite but as an aging 6-a-side player (56 years and 11months) I am well aware of the impact of both occasional sex and regular drinks, and it does nothing for one's performance on the pitch.

He has a high mileage for a man of only 31, so I hope he takes this latest experience and learns something because I think that he could be the catalyst for good times(on the pitch) in the coming couple of seasons.

You're right, it's a matter of priorities, when it comes to mixing sex and drink with sporting activity. You have to get your priorities right.

Fuck the football off.

We're of similar age, Eddie. Try switching it up - regular sex, occasional drinks...

I think that depends on which of 'em you're doing when the ball's played to you.