Watford lodged formal complaint over Everton's approach for Silva

Did Everton really make an illegal approach? Is this any different to what Man Utd did to us, or when Spurs appointed Pochettino?

We made approaches, they were leaked to the press, and Silva did everything he could to make it clear he wanted to come.

Money will just change hands and there will be no points deduction. It's just a question of how much Watford will fleece us for.

Alternatively, Moshiri might go for the easier option of Fonseca now he's got no chance at Arsenal.

Hope he's worth all the hassle!

Can't see any other reason a club that's had 13 managers in the last 10 years, would have the balls to file a complaint. Money! They screwed up on the 12 million. NOW they want it?

Everton is going to make some announcements this week. Manager out. Manager in, top-o-the-list. Watford file a complaint. NOT when they fired Silva and openly blamed Everton. Not then. NOW, when Silva is about to be introduced.

As bad as our season was, I'm leaving it be for a moment to send up a request for a blessing on the heads of every Watford supporter. Stuck with that shit-show of an ownership.

Anyway, its all a bit like Niasse being banned for diving. Everton deducted points for desiring another club manager then everyone forgets about it when the shite do it six months later.

Being an Everton fan really encourages paranoia.

2011–2014 Estoril
2014–2015 Sporting CP
2015–2016 Olympiacos
2017 Hull City
2017–2018 Watford
Zero Trophies

What a catch for a club with ambition. Still does seem to last more than a year. Maybe he will have us relegated by Christmas.

He won trophies with Estoril, Sporting and Olympiacos. He was also the first man to beat Porto at the Stadium of Light for 6 or 7 seasons, this was the first in a three match run of defeats that saw Fonseca sacked from a previously unstoppable Porto.

Why do people spout lies?

£ 4 m (I'm too sick to look up exact figure) plus ٤m and 㾸m. Someone has made an estimated 㿂 million cock-up big time.

This Summer is going to a Media field day. Moshiri is being seen as a soft touch. In September, we have to have a team up and runnng. The whole situation is bloody ridiculous.

Benfica's stadium is the original Stadium of Light and Sunderland nicked both the concept and the name, obviously translating it into English.

Southampton: 2 seasons mid-table, even Koeman got more points than him.

His record shows how shit he obviously is.

I mean, Poc is now what, going into his 4th season at Spurs and no silverware. He is obviously crap.

Can Silva do what Poc is doing at Spurs for us? No idea but he is highly rated in the game, as Poc was. Sometimes trusting in the talent of a manager is better than picking at previous jobs and supposed failures.

By Richard Bright in Lisbon

12:01AM BST 01 Apr 2003

Demolition began at Benfica's Stadium of Light here yesterday, bringing to an end half a century of glorious football at one of the world's greatest arenas.

Dubbed both "the Cathedral" and "Inferno" for the fervour of its fans, the stadium was home to Portugal's most successful club - and their greatest player, Eusebio - and was the launchpad for George Best's rocket to stardom in the Sixties.

The new Luz stadium, being built just next door, will host the final of next year's European Championship final

Edit: I see you have corrected that, Steve. By the way, 'Luz' is the name of the area in Lisbon where Benfica's ground is located. It does mean light in Portuguese, but it should not be translated.

The context was that Benfica were Champions and Porto was expected to challenge. The Porto board felt three defeats in a row as inexcusable and so sacked Fonseca.

The point being that these are supposedly the two front runners. When they have gone head to head, Silva wins. With comparable clubs in the same League, Silva usually finishes above Fonseca. In fact the only time Fonseca finished above Silva was when Fonseca got 3rd and Silva got 5th. Fonseca had a small but established Super Liga side, but it was still a remarkable achievement and it was enough to land him the Porto job.

David, Sunderland still nicked the name for their Stadium off Benfica.

We should tell Watford to sod off and counter-sue them for a billion for stealing the Zcars intro - for tapping up our history and heritage. If the FA then deduct points then it will only confirm what we already know - that the FA are in the pocket of the RS and have it in for us.

Derek at #7 - it's not paranoia it's reality. "The truth is out there". Expect Everton to get another ban from Europe because of the troubles at the onion patch before the Man. City game. If it had been Everton, EUFA would have banned us the next day instead of delaying any hearing until after the dark side have secured another trophy following a dodgy penalty shoot out.

But what's it gotta do with Watford? He got sacked.

Here is his trophy cabinet:

Estoril
Segunda Liga: 2011–12
Sporting
Taça de Portugal: 2014–15
Olympiacos
Superleague Greece: 2015–16
Individual
Segunda Liga Coach of the Year: 2011–12

He has won things and has improved teams and more importantly players wherever he has been. And after getting promoted at Estoril he led them to fifth place in their top tier. He also has a better record than Fonseca in a head to head.

I'm warming to Silva. Wouldn't mind Fonseca but doesn't know our league. Benitez would improve us but Liverpool history ('Everton are a small club'). Arteta is a risk but loved him in a blue shirt-he is going to Arsenal anyway. Sean Dyche- very Moyes (not necessarily a bad thing). Eddie Howe, boyhood blue, good coach, attacking but defensively suspect.

Need to do your homework before coming on here and embarrassing yourself with such utter bollocks.

If they are going to hand bans out for simulation, they need to also ban players who picked up a yellow card for simulation.

The Premier League urged the clubs to mediate rather than launch their own probe, and there was a meeting between Everton and Watford in April in an effort to resolve differences.

At the same meeting Watford felt they had received an assurance Silva would not be pursued by Everton this summer. That guarantee does not look solid now, with Silva the preference to take over once Allardyce's brief reign is formally ended.

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He will be pleased to see some balanced and informed opinions coming amidst a lot of tripe (Steve Ferns et al) and Phil Walling provided useful context reference to looking on the bright side.

We are rid of Allardyce, we have a genuine owner with class and an exciting new young and talented manager coming in. Enjoy the moment, and support the Club's endeavors.

COYB (and you Phil -you might enjoy yourself!)

Reading as many posts as I can, and really enjoying your managerial insight, I've a question for you.

Who is the more “attacking” manager - Silva or Fonseca?

I simply don't have the knowledge base, hence the question.

Watching Watford it seemed to me to be very counter attacking, and you've alluded to Silva favoring a jail-break on cocaine approach.

I think Fonseca is a bit more pragmatic?

I know you've probably answered this question either directly or in the main on your various posts, and a cliff-note version response would be appreciated if you can.

One rule for...

We did nothing wrong. We wanted to hire their manager, made them an absurdly generous offer, they threw it back in our faces (as was their right) and that was the end of it. However, if Silva preferred to come manage us, that's their problem.

Good job you read the thread!!

He has won things

If we do take Silva, I suspect money will change hands and it will all blow over.

Whatever happens needs to be quick so we can move on and we all need to get behind whoever is appointed.

Silva was appointed as Watford Manager for ٟ.5mill a year; he signed the contract, which Everton knew, but they still made illegal approaches without Watford's consent.

Silva met with Everton officials and agreed a deal, for which Everton then, to cover this up, slapped in a cheeky bid. In fact, they offered 3 deals, with the last deal standing at 㿀mill. Watford's owners turned it down knowing that both parties broke the rules. Watford's season was going well, and they were sitting in the top 6.

From that first bid to the last, Watford never won a game, and Silva refused to distance himself from the Everton job. Due to Silva's behaviour and the downturn in results, and Everton's refusal to back off, Watford sacked him.

Watford's owners since his sacking have refused his claim of Watford owing him 𧾦k for his wrongful sacking, and it's going through the Courts.

So who should pay for this? It should not be Watford, but Everton, because meeting him and doing a deal behind the owners' backs is breaching his contract and Everton have broken the rules too.

Everton thought they would be clever before slapping in a bid, but they have been found out, derailing Watford's season in the process as they now had a manager that wanted to go, and was not committed to his job at Watford. The owners stood firm against him breaching his contract and against Everton's illegal approach.

Now what part of this is Watford wanting money for nothing? Everton and him broke the rules and he shouldn't get a penny. Compensation should be paid for the derailment of Watford's season and Everton's illegal meetings with him.

If Moshi really wants Silva he has to hand over the money and move on. We can't have a drawn out saga. If he wants Silva then he has to be in place at some stage before 1 June.

They then sack him when their season goes pear-shaped and tried to blame us. (If that's true then who tapped up Koeman?). We have to blame someone don't we?

Now he's free and we might hire him, months later, they come creeping, looking for compensation. What for? We didn't nick their manager, they fired him! That was their choice, nothing to do with us. They really are pathetic.

By the way, I'd rather have Fonseca, so I have no axe to grind re Silva. But, fairs fair. We were up front about our desire to hire Silva and it would be pretty difficult for them to prove any wrongdoing either by us or by Silva unless things happened that haven't been made public, but somehow I think they are simply chasing the gravy train in this case.

Tell them where to go. Do your worst, you pathetic little club!

There are so many legal reasons why that nonsense wouldn't stand up in any court so I don't know why Moshiri and co don't just tell them to feck off.

There are so many legal reasons why that nonsense wouldn't stand up in any court so I don't know why Moshiri and co don't just tell them to feck off.

People have to see the potential in someone.

A young manager who has the hunger to try to match and beat the big boys with an attacking style of play.

Not just moan that we haven't appointed Pep coz our motto says we should.

I'd be happy with either Silva, Howe or Fonseca.

No doubt, this difficulty will be overcome by a large wedge of compo going Watford's way - and it won't be the Messer's money, will it ?

The Club stands at risk of going broke if this idiot abroad keeps shelling out 'to get hold' and 'fet rid' !

My guess is this is all around interpretation of the one-year break clause in Silva's contract, which I believe comes into effect on 1st June.

Either way it looks like Silva coming in. I'd be excited by either him or Fonseca. Seems to me like Silva has some unfinished business in this league and I think that will be a handy motivation.

This is the happiest I've been for months

Just to make sure that they are a perfect club themselves and have never tapped up a player or one of their many managers.

Interview the clubs they got their last 10 managers from.

Please let's get these next decisions right. I could not stand another hideous season like the one we've just endured. Soul destroying.

So, if only for my sake Mr Moshiri, pick the right people for this big shake up. Clear out some of the crap on our books, and bring in some diamonds who want to win.

Make me happy again. It's not a lot to ask for, is it?

Jim White says we as fans have too much say. If it weren't for us there would n't be any football club and players and managers earning an immoral amounts of money just for being in football, when there are people out there working 40, 50, 60 hours too pay a mortgage and feed a family. WE HAVE GOT EVERY RIGHT TO PUT OUR POINT OF VIEW.

How to use the Internet 101: never read comments sections. This goes for all websites, especially the BBC and Yootoob

Perish the thought that we have ambition, and a very ambitious owner.

They criticise sacking Sam because they know it means we are not lying down. We will not accept seventh.

We are building a club that can compete with the top 4 in a few years time.

Supporters and sycophants of the the top six don't like it one bit.

I am sure they will ask why sack him when he has got us to 8th in the league, well you can quote the opta stats. We are 19th in shots in a game, 19th shots on target, 19th in dribbles so in each category there is only 1 team worst than us. We don't expect to win the league but we do ask to sometimes for us to be entertained. Our loyal supporters in spite of Allardyces poor football have renewed their season tickets in record numbers, how many clubs fans would do that after the season we have had.

Looking forward to your cosmic waves at 6.15 George.

Trouble is we still have poor players we couldn't give away and still seem naive in our transfer dealings. Whoever we get has a major task to get us comfortable survival whilst developing the squad and an attractive playing style.

Did anyone else ever read this? I don't think I ever read this until today.

Surely it's akin to losing a job or being made redundant, the Company don't have any jurisdiction on what their ex employee does to seek another post.

As for possible points deduction, it gets even crazier!

There is mention of Keith Harris too being on the Board, which beggars the question ' where's Orville ' probably doesn't give a duck. :-)

I could not think of anyone better to speak on behalf of the Blue bretheren. I will be watching and I know I will be entertained - unlike watching Everton this season!

Give em hell George - and bombard them with your posso cosmic blue waves and if that does not work - hit them with the stats!!

Good Luck

Will try my best as always on Granada tonight.

Cheers gang.

Posso waves and Blue Cosmic Grooves all the way.

Allardyce wouldn't go for that, so effectively negotiated himself a circa ٤m payoff after pushing for an 18 month contract knowing full well that he was gone at the end of the season.

I said on here several times, at the time he was hired, that Moshiri only gave him an 18 month contract because Allardyce would accept nothing less.

Anyway, history, thank fuck! (Might be an idea NOT to say THAT on Granada).

Mind with all the changes at board level maybe they plan to change our name to Masochists FC.

ODDS OF 25/1

Please, no!

What planet do these turds in the media live on? Do they listen to what they say? 1. We were NOT definitely heading for relegation. 2 BFS should not hold his head high anywhere, as he was filmed being a crook. 3. You have just answered the question as to why he should never have been at Everton if you think interest in BFS will be high amongst Championship clubs!! So you don't expect him to be shooting to the top of the list for the Arsenal job TC? What about a return to your beloved West Ham if he is so fu**ing great?

I am so happy today that this stain has been removed from our club. The important work starts now and I hope we make a sound appointment. Whoever it is, they need to make a statement about how the perception of the club needs to change.

Ahead in popularity of both Silva and Fonseca.

FOR A LUNATICI!!

Don't Panic

I really can't give much insight as here in Brazil I follow principally the Brazilian league.

I note (on research) he has won the Argentinian league in both of the 2 seasons he has managed the club, but their league structure is a very strange set up - 28 teams no less, who play each other just once for a 27 game season. Weird.

I have, however, seen them play live twice on TV recently as they are in the same group as Palmeiras - the Brazilian team Gabriel Jesus helped win the Brazilian title for before completing his switch to City - in the Copa Libertadores, the South American equivalent of the CL.

Now Palmeiras have started the season in good form and could reclaim the title they lost to bitter Sao Paulo rivals Corinthians last season (that said, Corinthians beat them 1-0 on Sunday to register their first defeat of the still fledgling season).

But back to Boca Juniors. ANY Brazilian-Argentinian clash at ANY level in ANY sport always has an edge.

In the two games with Palmeiras I watched on TV, in their home game Palmeiras absolutely battered them, but only scored in the 90th minute.

Then would you believe it, deep into injury time a certain C. Tevez popped up with a thoroughly undeserved equaliser. A couple of weeks later, Palmeiras travelled to Argentina and again were by far the better side, this time winning 2-0.

As a result, BJ are in 3rd place and in danger of missing qualifying to the KO stage of the Copa Libertadores.

Nothing I saw shouted out to me that BJ play any sort of innovative football or that they are managed by a footballing genius.

I wish Fat Sam well. He did serve up some crap ( well actually he served up some of the most painful football I have ever seen) but it not like the team deteriorated after his arrival. We were horrendous all season. He pulled us out of what was becoming a death spiral and we need to give him a nod for that.

The managers I would be interviewing tomorrow would be Mikel Arteta, Fonseca and Eddie Howe. My hope would be we take a punt on Arteta.

Conte (if he leaves Chelsea)
Benitez
Ranieri
Fonseca
Silva

Not Howe, Not Dyche, Not Moyes.

Anyone in the know have any inkling on timing and have we been lining anyone up?

A lot will surely depend on who is bought in to improve the squad. And perhaps as importantly, who is dumped. Keane looks beyond repair to me – every forward in the Premier League has noticed his lack of mobility on the turn by now, and he appears as flawed as Per Krøldrup when we wasted money on him. IMO he needs moving on asap.

There are a number of managers who could do the job. My preference would be for a hungry young manager (like Moyes was once) who will not let under-performing player drag down his own reputation.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11374960/everton-appoint-marcel-brands-from-psv-eindhoven-as-director-of-football

He obviously wants to play a team with pace and not have someone slowing down the game and losing possession in midfield. I know its crystal ball gazing but won't be surprised if I am right for once!!

Baldrick's cunning plan is finally coming together. Let's hope we don't all end up looking like turnips.

I saw an Irish league team reach the quarter final ( losing unluckily) of the old European cup. I suspect you are watching a standard of football monumentally higher than I am but I would be interested to know justbhiw good home playing Brazilians are.

More importantly, I am planning my World cup betting. I have extrapolated a Germany Belgium final ( 25/1) and have ruled out a strong South American presence. I would, for financial reasons, appreciate an analysis of Uruguay and Colombia. I will, of course, donate to a charity of your choice if you can help!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5737611/Marco-Silva-replace-disgusted-Big-Sam-Everton-payouts-hit-30m-Allardyce-axe.html

* Whilst Brazil Serie A is the 'richest' league worldwide outside the big 5 in Europe, the overwhelming number of players are paid a pittance and on very short contracts (think MONTHS, not even years)

* Get this: 82% of professional footballers are paid...Samba beat drum roll...US $250 a MONTH!!! A little better than the national minimum wage of $220 a month

* 14% of players (that'll be those in the top 2 leagues) earn between $250-1250 a month

* The very best players earn $2500-$125,000 . the latter figure is a complete outrider. Only ONE player earns that (when the data was taken to which I'm referring, it was possibly Robinho, he of City who thought he'd signed for Chelsea!)

* Players are frequently cheated out of their salaries by clubs. At the end of one season, the night of the last game of the season, one of my local clubs reported the following day that their offices had been broken into (no evidence of forced entry), the safe cracked and the outstanding wages owed to players stolen. Given it is on a main avenue, behind heavily barred and guarded fences 24-7 with CVTV, let's just say it was not very plausible. The players never got their money

* Pimps in Brazil - literally! - prey on the poverty of families with a 'talented' footballer, 'buy' their contract with promises of taking them to Europe to earn a fortune to transform the family's life . only for the young hopeful to disappear into the global sex trade. There are THOUSANDS of Brazilian footballers plying their trade (and other vices...) in every corner of the globe.

* I enjoy the Brazilian league. The games are certainly competitive, no shortage of technical skill, but scouts from Europe are all over the country and any half decent talent is taken into the locally run academies very early. I think Barcelona alone has 6 academies established in Brazil - it's a big country!

* The league is made up of overwhelmingly Brazilian players. I laughed at the start of last season when great concern was expressed that there are 60-odd foreign players now plying their trade across the 20 teams in Serie A. Chelsea alone probably have at least that number on their books across all age groups at any one time!

* Many fading stars return from Europe to comfortably play on for another 3-4 seasons into their late 30s. Whilst they no longer cut it in the top European leagues, they still look among the best players in Brazil. That tells you a lot about the overall standard. I honestly don't see any 'Cor! I wish Everton would get him' players of the right age.

* As for the WC, I honestly wouldn't go near any of the South American sides betting wise other than Brazil, Andy. Dani Alves is a big loss for them - he and Marcelo on either flank are fundamental to how the GREAT manager Tite sets them up. I would not be surprised to see them go all the way.

* Assuming Brazil does have a good WC, I would not be in the least surprised if someone like Real Madrid went for the manager Tite. This is a very impressive man on many levels. Eloquent, intelligent, great man manager (he doesn't have a permanent designated captain for the national team - he constantly rotates the arm band, saying he wants every player to be captain in every game), tactically incredibly astute.

Happy punting!

In Italy it is not unheard of to have five or even more changes of manager in a season. For example, they sack manager A after 10 games. In comes manager B. He does no better so in comes manager C. Then they decide that manager A was actually better, so he comes back in. Then he gets sacked and suddenly B is back in charge.

Basically managers in Italy have a contract, they have to honour that contract. If Arsenal wish (as is proposed) to hire Juve's Allegri or Napoli's Sarri, then they have to buy out the contract.

Everton should insist that Big Sam is placed on gardening leave. Then come spring, if it's all going tits up, we call him back in, get him to save us and dangle a nice little bonus for him if he does the job.

Only messing, I wouldn't want Allardyce back at the club no matter what. However, Koeman and Martinez should have had their contracts bought out (as in the Italian system) or we should have mutually agreed to relinquish (cancel) the contracts when they found new jobs.

22:41 - 15 May 2018.

Cheeky twats!!!