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Sigurdsson requests permission to speak to Everton

| Saturday, 29 July 2017  275 Comments  [Jump to last]

Updated Talk of Gylfi Sigurdsson's proposed move to join Everton intensified on Saturday after he reportedly asked to speak to the Blues and was left out of Swansea's pre-season friendly against Birmingham.

Sigurdsson was back in training this week but the Welsh club announced that he would not play any part in the trip to St Andrews ("due to ongoing transfer speculation"), prompting fresh suggestions that he could join Everton after weeks of links and speculation.

Everton have reportedly had two offers for the Icelandic international rebuffed this summer, the most recent believed to have been worth £40m with £5m in appearance-related add-ons.

"Everyone knows our interest in the player but I do not decide the financial terms," Blues boss Ronald Koeman said on Thursday. "It is up to the board to get an agreement with Swansea."

According to reports, Swansea are insisting that their £50m valuation of the former Tottenham player be met but MailOnline are reporting that, for the first time, Sigurdsson himself could start agitating for the move or is at least asking to hear what Everton have to offer. He feels that the Toffees are being held to ransom and that a fair offer for him has already been lodged.

That has been followed by rumours suggesting Sigurdsson is on Merseyside today discussing terms and that a deal for the 28-year-old could be close.

Meanwhile, The Mirror are suggesting that Everton are offering Swansea defender Callum Connolly as part exchange in the deal.

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James Watts
1 Posted 29/07/2017 at 11:17:42
I'm guessing things are still progressing behind the scenes...
Ben Collins
2 Posted 29/07/2017 at 11:30:26
If this deal is nearly over the line, then good news. But surely by sitting out all these games he is dropping further behind in his pre-season fitness and match alertness etc levels. By the time any deal is done, he will be two to three weeks behind everyone else.
Chris Williams
3 Posted 29/07/2017 at 12:10:10
Yes, he's left out of their team today because of transfer speculation .

Someone has tweeted the Echo reporting seeing him in the Titanic today but you know how those things turn out. Might have been Riquelme!

Brian Harrison
4 Posted 29/07/2017 at 12:29:30
Let's hope the deal is done, hopefully we will then concentrate on sorting the weakness that has been our problem – lack of strikers.

I hope that Sigurdsson signing doesn't mean less playing time for Tom Davies, for me our most talented midfield player. Obviously McCarthy and Besic are now surplus to requirements so hopefully they can be shipped out quickly. Also, seeing as he didn't play on Thursday I can't see Barry getting any game time.

But why wasn't our priority signing 2 top class strikers? Apart from Lukaku nobody else got more than 6 league goals. So we have sold him and Barkley to follow, plus we sent Valencia back to West Ham and thankfully shipped out Kone.

I think Thursday highlighted our lack of goalscoring options, and also showed that the days of Rooney leading the line are long gone. So I hope that we hear that in the 2 weeks left before the season starts we have brought in 2 quality strikers; otherwise, I worry were the goals will come from.

Mike Kehoe
5 Posted 29/07/2017 at 12:46:45
I know the prices are crazy but I would hate for us to lose out on Sigurdsson, a player of undoubted quality who would definitely improve the squad, and to then see him replace Coutinho and prove a success.

We need to spend big to break into the top four and it will take time.

Karl Jones
6 Posted 29/07/2017 at 13:42:55
He's been left out of their friendly against Birmingham today and wants to speak to Everton...

He wants to come and play for us, get him signed before Thursday!

Dan Davies
7 Posted 29/07/2017 at 13:48:22
He was spotted at the Titanic this morning having a bowl of scouse and a cup of tea with two sugars apparently. (Twitter)
Sam Hoare
8 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:19:41
Everton want him (and have money).

The player wants to move.

Swansea are prepared to let him leave (why else would they let him miss out on friendlies and the tour).

It's surely only a matter of time. With Rooney already here I would not be paying this much for Gylfi. But then I would not have bought Rooney.

I just hope that once this is done we turn more attention to the striker options. I would be very tempted to hijack Leicester's move for Iheanacho. He's strong and fast and has scored at around 1 in 3 for the last two seasons despite being subbed on or off in many of those games. He's also got 6 in 10 for the senior National team.

He's just had a bit more high level experience than Celtic's Dembele who would be another option. I also like Giroud but he's clearly not sure about what he wants and we could wait till Aug 31st to find he staying at Arsenal and we've missed other options.

Neil Thomas
9 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:19:44
Be patient; trust in Koeman. Obviously he got his targets lined up – just a matter of agreeing terms.
Mark McParlan
10 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:21:13
My main question about Sigurdsson now, is where does he play in our side, where does he fit in the system?

It definitely looks like we'll be playing a 4-3-3 next season – and I base that on three things.

● The system we played last season (post January)

● The system we've played in pre-season hitherto

● The system Koeman used at Southampton.

So in such a formation, where does Sigurdsson play? Obviously not in the back 4, and I'd say also definitely not in the midfield 3 (for there we have:

Holding Mid – Schneiderlin & Barry,
Ball Winner – Gueye & McCarthy;
Box-to-Box – Klaassen & Davies).

So that just leaves the front 3. What are our options here?

Rooney & Sandro

And a New Striker (Koeman has said repeatedly in recent interviews he wants to bring another striker in. Anyone watching the match the other night knows too we need one. A target man probably to replace Lukaku.)

Mirallas, Bolasie (when fit, 2018)

Calvert-Lewin & Lookman (backup)

I am struggling to see how exactly he plays in the front 3. Perhaps Rooney on the left, the new centre-forward down the middle, and Sigurdsson on the right. No room for Sandro or Mirallas there though.

Thankfully, I think Barkley showed last season how Sigurdsson is going to have to operate in that front 3. Throughout the second half of last season, Koeman officially scrapped the Barkley attacking mid role behind the striker, and instead deployed him on the right of the front 3, but as more of a 'free role' to attack and create, providing he generally stuck to the right. And I think this is where Sigurdsson will play, on the right of the front 3 (but not a winger by any stretch of the imagination), as a general attacking player with extra freedom.

I'm sure Koeman has an idea in mind though.

Simon Bates
11 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:27:55
I mentioned this on an earlier thread about this fee. It appears the general opinion on TW and other Everton sites is that he's worth £30 - 35m tops.

With that in mind, all Swansea would receive up front if we pay £45m with £5m in add-ons, is £35m due to Spurs' sell-on clause which I think is 5% making them £10m if my maths are correct.

Therefore we would have known this, making me think it's not really been about Swansea milkng us, as opposed to us trying it on and them rightfully holding out for their valuation.

Personally I thought we were past this. Haggling at this level is basically gambling, giving other teams a window as well as maybe, making the player himself feel less valued and wanted.

Chris Williams
12 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:36:28

Apparently we're getting a pretty versatile player. For Swansea, apparently he's played wide right, wide left, central, Number 10, and 'false Number 9' whatever one of those might be. It's been pretty widely covered in a fair few articles during this drawn out affair.

He's also a captain, so another leader on the pitch with bags of Premier league experience.

So I think he will fit in okay, providing he signs of course. Maybe wide left with Rooney on the right and Klaassen in front of Schneiderlin and Gueye, and a centre forward, either Sandro, or someone else.

Should be interesting.

Jay Harris
13 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:45:53
I think the key to Sigurdsson's role is his flexibility.

I think Koeman wants goalscorers and creators who can move about and pull defenders out of position which Rooney, Sigurdsson and Sandro are all capable of.

We have lacked that movement up front in the past.

Jack Convery
14 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:48:36
Must be happening surely. Yes it is but my names not Shirley.

Just watched Enable win at Ascot – Everton to enable this transfer asap...

By the way, I doubt the Titanic sighting - Ice and the Titanic don't mix too well or is that an omen?

John Charles
15 Posted 29/07/2017 at 15:51:40
Too much money for a player who will not dramatically improve the team.

Before people shout me down that it's not my money and we are supporters and not bean counters, I completely agree. However we will only have a finite amount of money to spend and £50mil on Sigurdsson is in my opinion £50mil which could have been better spent elsewhere.

Williams is shocking and needs replacing. Holgate is not a right-back, Martina is on a par with Williams and it looks like Koeman doesn't fancy Kenny. We need a centre-forward and some width

Rightly or wrongly, I think Koeman will stick with Rooney and the two defensive midfielders. Klaassen is likely to play which suggests to me that Sigurdsson would play at the expense of Davies.

Mark McParlan
16 Posted 29/07/2017 at 16:05:11
To add to your list, John (#13) – we still need to buy cover at left back. All it'll take is one crunching tackle from Ryan Shawcross first day of the season, and we have no one to cover there for Leighton. Galloway? Really.

If we want to break the top 6, we have to go into the season with more than one left back. And it's not as if Baines is getting any younger (he's 33 before the year is out), and we ought to start looking to secure his long-term successor.

And every penny we pay over the odds for Sigurdsson detracts from our budget elsewhere. Let's not get held to ransom. £40 million was too high – £50 million is a joke.

Gordon Crawford
17 Posted 29/07/2017 at 16:14:40
Nothing has happened yet lads, he hasn't signed.
Gordon White
18 Posted 29/07/2017 at 16:15:24
Can't wait! Like Koeman, have wanted this player for a long time. It's up to Koeman where he plays.

Once he's over the line we can all get on and argue about the striker role. And a central defender. But please not Collins.

Andrew Keatley
19 Posted 29/07/2017 at 16:21:04
There are suggestions that we are also keeping tabs on Jean Seri from Nice as a back-up plan. He just turned 26, and was in the top 3 for assists in Ligue 1 last year, and is also a target for Arsenal (amongst others). He would probably cost £25 million or so and might end up being a better option.
Lev Vellene
20 Posted 29/07/2017 at 16:33:32
With the silly money being handed around this year, I should think it's mostly stubborn pride on either side that keeps that final £5m from being offered by Everton, or scrapped by Swansea...

Sigurdsson ignored very good transfer offers before last season, as he wanted to help keep Swansea up, even signing a new contract to ensure they got good money if he'd eventually leave. They don't seem to feel very grateful, if a move now is his own wish...

Jeff Armstrong
21 Posted 29/07/2017 at 16:38:19
Mahrez at £35 million, or Ieanacho at £25 million would be better value than Sigurdsson at £50 million, but then Ronnie does like a slow midfielder or 6, doesn't he!
Neil Thomas
22 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:13:10
John (#13),

It's like I have said before why spend millions on a right-back just for them to be warming the bench when Coleman is back before the end of the season?

As for a centre-forward, there ain't a lot of options out there, but with Chelsea now favourites for Barkley why not swap deal for Batshuyia.

We could also go down the route of a loan considering the talented young lad we had to loan out to Anderlecht this season

Guy Hastings
23 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:16:14
Agree with Brian (#4), Davis is a real star in the making, if he isn't already. Every time he gets on the ball I expect something to happen. If he's sidelined for the new boys, then it'll be a crying shame.
Kunal Desai
24 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:18:13
Agree with Sam (#7) that I wasn't keen on Rooney coming back and would not have brought him back as i'm convinced he is not the answer to us moving forward. Looks inevitable the Sigurdsson deal will be done in the coming days but we need to turn our attentions very quickly towards further striking options.

I'd also like us to go for someone like Nathan Redmond. We need some pace on that left side.

Paul Ellam
25 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:41:18
Just sign him for chuff's sake!

Can't believe we're willing to pay so much for him, and yet are haggling over the last £5m. Just pay them what they want and get the deal over the line. Koeman obviously wants him so let's get him.

I think he's overpriced but he is a terrific player and will improve us so I think he's worth the extra push to get.

Then we can concentrate on getting Giroud or Benteke in!

This is a new Everton – an ambitious Everton.

John G Davies
26 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:44:24
Sit tight on the fee.

Let Sigurdsson go acknowledge to Swansea and tell them he wants the move. They won't risk unsettling him.

The balls in our court.

Paul Tran
27 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:51:25
John, I suspect that's what we're trying to do. As a business, I think this is about being seen to not cave in too soon.
John G Davies
28 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:54:28
Makes sense, Paul. £5 million will pay a slice of his first year's wage.
Viv Sharma
29 Posted 29/07/2017 at 17:55:26
On the topic of where he would fit into the starting 11 and at whose expense I think the point is to not have a starting 11 but to have 15 starters or more. Look at Chelsea, who brought Fabregas Willian or Pedro off the bench last season.

You need more than 11 quality players. This way, they get rested for various competitions we will hopefully be going deep into!

Oh, and a huge Yes on hijacking Ihenacho. The kid is class, young and imho fit us like a glove!

Gordon White
30 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:03:52
I can understand everyone speculating about who will play where and how is Koeman going to fit some of the players into the same squad. But, we may be competing on four fronts this season, including the taxing Europa League. Is anyone considering the depth of squad we'll need and the possibility of injuries, etc?
Gordon White
31 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:05:50
Viv #26 Agreed. Also, I'm a bit worried about cover for Baines.
Nathan Jones
32 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:06:24
I've always liked Sigurdsson, and happy with us signing a quality player I've always rated. But as other people have commented, where does he play, it seams him, Klaassen, Rooney and (probably soon to be gone) Barkley all play in the same position.

But it seams like Koeman has his transfer targets and has gone and got them and Sigurdsson was one of them so I guess he has a plan and that's why he's paid £6 million a year and I'm not. If the boss wants him, let's get him and see the plan.

Tony Everan
33 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:08:08
I hope he signs now for £40 + the add-ons. Ronald wants him and I think he will improve us , especially with some much needed goals from midfield.

I agree with Sam, Iheancho has got something about him, young and hungry with a point to prove. He will develop further and Everton is the club he can become a great striker at.

It will be interesting to see who we sign

Paul Smith
34 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:11:53
Clement on WalesOnline saying he hasn't asked to leave & will be back in training on Monday.

It's messy this one.

Dan Davies
35 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:16:05
Paul @ 30, asked if there is an internal deadline within Swansea Football Club about Gylfi, he responded that the deadline was 'imminent'.

That was Sky Sports just now.

Got a feeling he will be ours very soon.

John G Davies
36 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:32:13
We won't sign him yet surely.

We have had plenty of posters telling us we are a selling club.
Telling us we definitely won't be buying anyone until Barkley is sold.

Colin Glassar
37 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:48:52
I don't like players who down tools.
Christy Ring
38 Posted 29/07/2017 at 18:54:50
I think a striker, left-back and centre-back are more important additions. Why spend £50m on a player, with Rooney and Klaassen playing in both of his positions, and he's not a winger.

I know Koeman is a huge fan, but you can't put square pegs in round holes. Baines has no competition at left back, we need a left-sided centre-back and a front man to replace Lukaku.

Gordon White
39 Posted 29/07/2017 at 19:02:45
Colin (#33)....

See Lev (#18).

Colin Glassar
40 Posted 29/07/2017 at 19:07:57
Gordon, I'm always wary of players trying to force moves just after they've signed new contracts. It shows a complete lack of loyalty imo. If he wanted to help Swansea get a good deal for him, he should've insisted on a buy-out clause.
Mark Frere
41 Posted 29/07/2017 at 19:24:49
His position is not a priority, we already have Klaassen and Rooney in that position. Too many good players and competition for places is never a bad thing though, especially when we are in four competition's and have all the extra games to contend with.

I just think we are paying double what he is worth. Every club in the Premier League has a budget and we are no different – we don't have a bottomless pit of money.

There's other positions where we need strengthening and I just feel that we aren't spending our budget wisely.

I don't think fitting him into the team is that much of a problem as there will be a bit of squad rotation with all the extra games.

Kenny Keane Williams Baines
Schneiderlin Gana Klaassen
Sandro Rooney Sigurdsson

Kenny Keane Williams Baines
Schneiderlin Gana
Rooney Sigurdsson Mirallas

Holgate Keane Williams
Lennon Schneiderlin Gana Baines
Rooney Sandro

Chris Oldfield
42 Posted 29/07/2017 at 19:25:56
So you must be loving Barkley's loyalty, Colin?
Chris Williams
43 Posted 29/07/2017 at 19:53:28
I'm sure we can pursue more than one priority at a time, but unfortunately the players may not become available in the right order, nice and neat, just like that.

So if Koeman and Walsh want, say, Giroud, a left footed defender and Sigurdsson in that order, if the last one is signed first, then that's the way it will be.

It doesn't mean we don't want Giroud, who is away with Arsenal currently I think.

However, given the time and effort, not to mention the money being expended on Sigurdsson, it may be that Koeman and Walsh have a different view of the priority.

Pete Laffey
44 Posted 29/07/2017 at 19:57:33
Sorry to put a dampener on things lads. I don't think we'll be signing him or any other big fees till we sell Barkley, McCarthy, Besic, Tom, Dick or Harry.

The money we've spent thus far is the Lukaku money, the Chinese thingamajig money.

The first several signings were done pretty quick by our standards because we knew the money was coming in.

Eric Paul
45 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:00:44
Some posters seem to be concerned about new signings restricting Davies's game time, he's only 19 and needs protecting from playing too many games too young or we definitely won't see the best of him.
Lev Vellene
46 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:07:57
Colin (#36)

If there was ever any Premier League player not trying to grab the the cash, then we knew him as Sigurdsson last summer!

He single-handedly (footedly?) kept Swansea up, despite being wanted by club(s) probably willing to pay better than Swansea did! Everton were just uppity with a new 'owner' that hadn't really proved anything by that time, so why should he have moved to Everton just to see another below-6th placing?

Now we are finally showing intent, and like Williams already bought into as he was fading, the still very potent Sigurdsson now sees us as a worthwhile destination!

And let us not forget that Sigurdsson is not from Wales, or even Britain, at all! He's not a Swansea-version Barkley jumping his boyhood ship! So now at 27/28, he'll have to look closely at his options if he wants to win anything within the next few years!

Chris Williams
47 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:13:44
Spot on, Lev,

It's not like he's taken his ball home like Van Dijk or kicked the shit out of a team mate like Neymar.

According to reports, he reckons we've made a fair offer for him, so the club is taken care of. Reports also stating we've played this all above board and gone through the proper channels.

William Cartwright
48 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:29:22
I hope he arrives soon and we get the striker and left-sided defenders also sorted and bedded in asap.

Trouble is, when Leicester won the league, they had a one off set of circumstances that worked. The element of surprise, small squad of wonderful players who caught everyone unawares, focus on the league and no distractions, a wonderful man-manager, luck, and so on. We are looking at a different set of conditions.

I wonder if Koeman has the skill set to rotate, maintain team spirit, motivate, and select... or will the cracks begin to emerge as the pressure and stress build up.

Last season ,we got off to a surprisingly good start, only to quickly lose the rhythm with ultimately strategic changes for the League Cup, and some bad luck with injuries.

In some ways the early competition for the Europa League matches could help to give us an edge in the early games, and playing 5 of the top 6 in the opening 7 games could be a blessing in disguise and perhaps not be exactly what the organizers may have had in mind!

If we get off to a fast start and we are lucky with injuries, and the squad rotation can be managed, then we could be in for quite a ride. I am nervous about Ronald, but then again, one person who has been magnificent since he joined the Club has been Mr Moshiri. If Ronald is good enough for him then I find that comforting...

Still to go through the exit door with Barkley are Robles, Niasse, McCarthy? Lennon? – which could recoup upwards of £50 mil, so the money angle in a hyper-inflated market doesn't worry me. In fact I think there is an underlying smartness behind the buying strategy thus far.

The investment in the younger players too, with the feeling that the U23s and Unsy are also an integral part of the whole playing structure is another source of confidence, without even mentioning the stadium plans, or the appointment of Steve Walsh.

This is Moshiri's game plan as much, if not more-so than Koeman's, and so far I think he has been just superb in all his dealings. If he further increases his asset holdings by being a super smart businessman, then very good too.


Derek Knox
49 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:29:32
Dan Davies @6, I didn't realise he had a penchant for those from the gay quarter, but I'll take your word for it! :-)
Trevor Peers
50 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:35:37
I see Negrado is available for about £6 million, just as good as Giroud in the air and about the same age. Perfect for Sigurdsson's crosses and through-balls.
Gordon White
51 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:35:45
Colin (#36). I can see both points of view. My default is to agree with you entirely. But I do think there's a difference between the likes of Lukaku and Sigurdsson. By which I mean their attitudes.
Chris Williams
52 Posted 29/07/2017 at 20:48:07
Reports say FSW wants McCarthy and Niasse for Newcastle!
Gordon White
53 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:07:21
Fran Mitchell
54 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:09:13
His position is an absolute priority, as is striker. We need, if we truly want to Challenge the top 4, 18 players who would be considered First 11 players. Players on the bench who rival fans will worry about when seeing them warm up.

Yes, we still need 2 strikers, and a left sided defender (acting as both Baines and Williams cover/competition) and ideally a Winger.

Gordon White
55 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:12:48
Fran #47. Sound.
Dave Abrahams
56 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:19:52
William (#41),

In think there are a few players who will leave before the deadline, I couldn't really see the point of giving Mirallas a three year contract unless it was to keep his transfer fee high, I would much prefer to keep.

Aaron Lennon and sell Mirallas, we could get a good price for him or include him in a swap deal.

Gordon White
57 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:26:13
William #41. I agree. Unless Koeman thinks he could prosper in a new look set up? With different players around him?
Jamie Crowley
58 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:38:25
My 8 year old son has this really weird fixation with the Fat Spanish Waiter.

Every time Newcastle comes up on FIFA '17 he says, "Fat Spanish Waiter! He's terrible. Seriously he's awful!"

I've no idea where he picked up on that...

Sign Sigurdsson. Barkley's good as gone, and we need depth desperately as has been mentioned before. I'd have kept Barkley but that's a whole different matter not even worthy of discussion, as the writing seems to be on the wall.

Gordon White
59 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:38:59
Oops! I Meant Dave #49
Gordon White
60 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:42:10
Jamie #51
I didn't realise it was "waiter"
Bill Watson
61 Posted 29/07/2017 at 21:45:05
I'm not very comfortable with clubs unsettling other club's players: we've been on the receiving end often enough to find it very distasteful.
Dave Speed
62 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:04:24
Swansea are playing a game that will end up backfiring on them if they hold out for the £50m, even though I think we should just pay up or dump the deal in the next day or two.

If we pay their price then they will find that other clubs will do the same to them when they go shopping with their new wedge. They'll end up paying a whole lot more for his replacement(s), even if they find and go after a gem down in the bargain basement.

Ian Warburton
63 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:30:58
Great player but still ain't worth £40 million plus!!!
Paul Graney
64 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:33:23
He's been a consistent performer for a number of years now and if we do happen to get him in we're would he fit in and what would be the balance of the side? Because no matter the opposition, Koeman seems to like to play with two defensive midfielders.

If we are going to pay all this money for him, surely we would need to buy an out-and-out centre-forward to get the best out of him and Rooney is definitely not the answer plus we would need to try and get more bodies in the box when we go forward which at times we are guilty of.

Also, if this comes off, it would probably push Davies down the pecking order which would be a bit unfair to the lad. I thought he was excellent for the most part last season – he's got that bit of energy and drive that we lack at times.

Ray Roche
65 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:39:49
Bill (#54).

According to the press reports today, Everton have done everything by the book, not like Man Utd sending "Agent Pogba" to talk Big Gob into going to United. And him visiting Carrington while he was still our player etc.

Swansea are trying to maximise their profit, which they are entitled to do, and Everton are trying to buy Sigurdsson, which we are entitled to do.

Christy Ring
66 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:52:22
I'd prefer to offer Leicester the money for Mahrez, play him on either wing, and a new target man.
Tom Bowers
67 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:54:49
This looks like a matter of time and when it happens Everton will be all the stronger in the offensive midfield. With Barkley a non-starter and the new strategy of not having a big target man, it looks like the gaffer will be hoping that Gylfi will be the main man to assist Sandro along with Rooney.

One could see that the new strategy appears to be a ''Barcelona'' type approach, ie,. a patient passing build-up followed by the quick one-two to get someone in behind the defence. Alas, Everton do not have a Suarez, Neymar or Messi to get the goals but let's face it, that trio is exceptional.

Whilst Everton struggled to break down the Slovaks there were excuses that can be levelled at them but certainly after a few more games they are excuses that cannot be used in the event that results don't come as we expect.

The talent is there and the squad is deep so it is all down to Koeman and the players to bring home the goods.

John Pierce
68 Posted 29/07/2017 at 22:59:11
Sigurdsson will play from left midfield in a 4-3-3, nailed on that. Solid, disciplined player who has no real pace will hold his position and help re-ignite Baines.

Once Baines trusts the player, despite his waning powers, Baines will find it much safer to cross the half way line and know he will be covered.

Sigurdsson will then have a decent decoy to bluff with and deliver from open play, or actually use Baines. It's structured and that's the telling part with Koeman, loves a cog in the machine that fella, hates the individual with the obvious exceptions of Messi etc.

The Dutch team he played in were very good, but they were extremely well structured too. That's why you here the word 'productivity' not 'creativity'. Creativity is similar but more loose, mercurial, on-the-fly sort of skill. Productivity to him are numbers and percentages.

He loves players who can execute that sort of thing, not so keen on flair. Ross, I believe isn't good enough regardless, is certainly not the type of lad Ron likes, ill-disciplined and often cited as unable to follow a plan. That's okay, but if your not following the plan you best be 'bringing it' every week.

Can't see a more fluid game this year even with better players. But I can see were Koeman is going with it all, structured and methodic.

Make sure your bring a book or Kindle to the game folks.

Tony Dove
69 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:01:27
The signing of Sigurdsson will make or break Koeman. In my view, the last thing we need is another snail paced midfielder who specialises in taking free kicks. Koeman obviously knows better.

On his record up to now I seriously doubt whether he does and I can envisage things going pear shaped very quickly.

Tony Hill
70 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:09:43
John (#59), Roundheads and Cavaliers. Ronald is in the Cromwell camp whereas Everton were always with Prince Rupert.
Rob Dolby
71 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:11:04
Sigurdsson or Mahrez? I know which one that I would pay to watch play footy.

I have no idea where he is going to play... attacking centre-mid?

Dan Davies
72 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:15:39
Apparently Callum Conolly as part of the deal.
Michael Lynch
73 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:16:47
The Mirror reckon we're going to throw in Callum Connolly as a make-weight in the Sigurdsson deal. They also reckon we're upping our interest in Giroud.

And lastly, they say we're making a cheeky bid for Rhianna as our new toffee lady, which is probably the final piece of the jigsaw. Can't knock that Walsh fella, I never saw the Rhianna bid coming. Genius.

Christy Ring
74 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:24:21
John (#59), Totally disagree, Sigurdsson is no Pienaar; as you say, he has no pace, so how would he cover Baines? He's not a left winger and that's not his game.
Colin Glassar
75 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:26:29
Winston Reid is being linked now. £9m - laughable.
Gordon White
76 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:27:46
Tony (#60)

Whatever you do – don't join the Samaritans.

Christy Ring
77 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:32:54
Colin (#66) – It sounds a lot better than Collins!
John G Davies
78 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:37:41
Don't you rate Reid, Colin?
Colin Glassar
79 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:41:51
I rate Reid very highly. Didn't we have a £20m offer turned down a few seasons ago? I expect he's worth at least £30m in today's market – not a measly £9m.
John G Davies
80 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:46:40
Me too, Colin.

A steal at £9 million if it's right.

Contract running down maybe?

Ian Smitham
81 Posted 29/07/2017 at 23:58:45
Michael (#64) – very good; sort of one Diamond in, and one diamond out.
Will Mabon
82 Posted 29/07/2017 at 00:00:35
"Roundheads and Cavaliers. Ronald is in the Cromwell camp whereas Everton were always with Prince Rupert. "

Tony, did you do what I think you did there? If so, towering post.

Don Alexander
83 Posted 29/07/2017 at 00:01:32
If Sigurdsson signs, I'd expect Rooney to be very much part of our newly dangerous-as-fuck, er, bench.

Before he signed I hoped there was a really good non-playing angle to the deal; world-wide publicity, fleecing mega-bucks off Third World kids desperate to buy the shirt etc etc, but I'm still to be won over that he'll prove to be even a quarter of the player we sold way back.

Sigurdsson has a mega football brain that consistently connects with his feet, which would be a nice change for us. Signing him will be worth somewhere in the region of 20 goals, directly created or scored by him. His record in Wales spells this out. He's also not as averse as some in his shirt to trying to win back possession.

Lack of pace, if he has it (I don't know), can be safely accommodated in midfield. It's really only crucial that there's folk in defence and attack with real pace. That's something that our manager will know well given his own limitations in that department as he developed himself into one of Europe's finest ever defender/defensive-midfielders.

I just hope Mr Moshiri is listening to him and offering more yen after we sign Sigurdsson. "Net spend" will show the level of commitment to his own, spelt-out, 3-year "project".

Tony Hill
84 Posted 30/07/2017 at 00:09:47
Will (73), I think I probably did. Nice one yourself there.
Dan Davies
85 Posted 30/07/2017 at 01:04:40
Carry on Colin lol! You are funny tho.
Dan Davies
86 Posted 30/07/2017 at 01:08:16
When did we bid ™20 mil for Reid a few seasons ago, Col? Proof?
David Pearl
87 Posted 30/07/2017 at 01:31:29
Weren't we interested in Reid when he was available on a free? Then he signed a new contract.

I can't get over how many more signings we still need after the amount of new players we've got already.

David Israel
88 Posted 30/07/2017 at 01:34:18
Fran #47, 'Yes we still need 2 strikers, and a left-sided defender (acting as both Baines and Williams cover or competition) and ideally a Winger.'

For a moment, I read that as 'and ideally a Wenger'. You had me scared there!

Brian Cleveland
89 Posted 30/07/2017 at 02:24:56
For what it's worth, a mate of mine in Swansea was sat in a restaurant next to Angel Rangel and Roque Mesa Saturday night and he got talking with them and the low down is... they never even mentioned Sigurdsson... now create a rumour out of that!

Oh, how I wish I had some beans to spill occasionally... sorry, I did give my mate an ear-bashing for not asking!!

John Pierce
90 Posted 30/07/2017 at 02:50:09
Christy, disagree as is your want. Question though? Were did I say he was Pienaar? Were did I say he was a left winger?

Since when did Pienaar ever have any pace? Not one ounce, he was hard-working and disciplined in his area of the pitch. If there is to be a comparison with Sigurdsson it is exactly that.

Pienaar was slow to start and got slower the more he was kicked which was a lot. Yet this slow, physically weak South African covered Baines with no trouble. Sigurdsson should he play there would be a god send for Baines, from left midfield as stated.

But then again, Ron might play Ross there – much more Cavalier

John Pierce
91 Posted 30/07/2017 at 02:59:13
Tony (#61).

I'd say Ron has the hair style for a roundhead, armed with a blundeoning mace and did you see the Cavaliers strip? Quality effort from them that was all frills and sashes. The badge you ask, a resplendent tower, crossed with two rapiers. The height of élan.

It took a adroit veritable tweet from yourself to capture what my verbose gob had tried to harness in a small novella!

Viva the Cavaliers!

Mike Kehoe
92 Posted 30/07/2017 at 09:58:14
Reading through all these messages, we sound like the downtrodden abused partner of a deranged and cruel bastard, our confidence shattered by years of lies and beatings with our insecurities now running wild, casting deep shadows of doubt and suspicion over every move.

We remember the promises of 'pleasant surprises' which was little more than Earl Barrett and being taken roughly from behind by Peter Johnson; then Bill's good-natured but hopeless and deeply frustrating impotence and we are scared now that our current suitor will be another gobshite (this is where the metaphor runs out of steam).

We need to trust that things are improving big time with a chairman and manager who are of the highest standard. Yes, Koeman will run off to the glamorous Barça in a few years but he will leave us much improved and stronger: only a fool would expect anything else.

We're heading in the right direction and soon we will be going home with the Virgil Van Dijks rather than ten-to-twoers like Collins; have patience.

Derek Knox
93 Posted 30/07/2017 at 12:45:25
Mike @ 84, admire both your rhetoric, and optimism, and hope it all comes to fruition.
Sean Patton
94 Posted 30/07/2017 at 14:54:38
If Connolly is being offered, it had better be on loan as he is a fine prospect – better at full back than car-crash Cuco.
Andy Crooks
95 Posted 30/07/2017 at 16:02:30
I don't understand the fretting over whether he is worth it. I spent years and years analysing every penny we spent. Now, we seem to have money and I want to enjoy every minute of it.
Philip Braithwaite
96 Posted 30/07/2017 at 16:41:45
Andy (#93). i agree.

For what seems like an eternity the RS plus other "premiership top 4/6 teams" have spent millions, probably pushing in some cases Billions to buy players that "will bring the club more".

Our dear neighbours are a fine example. Regularly spending £100 million plus each season but much of their buys are failures (with them.) We regularly sell players who are good with us but poor with their new clubs, making us a healthy profit. I am sure this applies to many other clubs.

Now we seem to have a bit of money, so, in theory we will buy more players than we normally do, but maybe some may not reach the heights we hope they could do. Small steps up a big ladder, methinks.

Paul Tran
97 Posted 30/07/2017 at 16:47:15
David (#85), you're right. Just goes to show much our squad needed overhauling. It was three years ago that Martinez rightly said we needed seven players.
Gordon Crawford
98 Posted 30/07/2017 at 17:39:34
Matic £40m, Sigurdsson £50m, I would rather have Matic.
Rob Halligan
99 Posted 30/07/2017 at 17:41:38
Sean (#92). The Red Echo is reporting that Callum Connolly is being offered for an initial 12 months loan. Hopefully this will suit Connolly down to the ground as it will give him 12 months experience of playing regular Premier League football.
John Pierce
100 Posted 30/07/2017 at 17:43:00
Gordon – so would Ron, he loves a defensively minded midfielder, that fella!
Phil Walling
101 Posted 30/07/2017 at 17:52:42
We have only one serious game to go on but it is by no means a certainty that not all the newcomers are better than those they've replaced.

Certainly whoever replaces Lukaku has a lot to live up to and the money we eventually get for Barkley may not guarantee a replacement of his quality. Rooney to me is a sentimental vanity project of Chairman Kenwright's. We all want him to succeed but the obsession with Sigurdsson may prove costly in the extreme and may only serve to push to one side the likes of Davies and Dowell.

Certainly, Martina is no improvement on what we have seen of Holgate and Kenny and Coleman had better return quickly.

Whoever ends up on the roster, it will be up to Koeman to make them gel and give of their best. Up to now, I see little evidence that he is an inspiring, creative manager or much more than Moyes with more expensive – not necessarily better – players.

John Otway
102 Posted 30/07/2017 at 18:12:58
Phil Walling (#100). You actually enjoy these postings, don't you?
Mark Morrissey
103 Posted 30/07/2017 at 18:56:07
I'm with you, Phil. I'm kinda underwhelmed so far. I think Ramirez and Keane will prove to be very good signings and we needed a new keeper but, when you consider that we have lost our best striker for many a year, I feel somewhat anxious that our goal threat has diminished and unless we can get in a top striker (I won't say world class in case I get my head bitten off again ) to replace Rom, I'll be a concerned fan.

Koeman is to be congratulated in offloading some players but with the likes of Niasse still with us I am underwhelmed to date. I'll reserve my true concern until the close of the window and see what we do regarding Ross. If we get Sigurdsson, we'll be strong in midfield but will we see a marquee signing, a striker to take the breath away? I hope so. I can but dream

Nicholas Ryan
104 Posted 30/07/2017 at 22:36:56
Gordon (#98). I would love Matic at £40m; I think it would be the bargain of the century. But, the reality is, that Matic won't come, because he regards Everton as a step down, whereas Sigurdsson sees us as a step up!
Mark Andersson
105 Posted 30/07/2017 at 23:29:50
Took me two hours to read all the posts, has he signed yet??
William Cartwright
106 Posted 31/07/2017 at 03:52:46
Phil Wailing again @ 101 . . . . . Give it a rest.
John Pierce
107 Posted 31/07/2017 at 04:54:03
Murmurings that a £48m fee has been agreed; perhaps Swansea finally realising that they need to spend some money. Who knows.
James Watts
108 Posted 31/07/2017 at 05:22:42
Fingers crossed John as I think we all want this sorted ASAP. One way or other.

And, as long as we get in a good striker and a good centre-back as well, I think we'll all be pretty happy. Well apart from Phil of course.

Tony Everan
109 Posted 31/07/2017 at 10:46:01
£48m is too much, but it gets the whole saga over and done with. We can turn our attentions to the equally or more important issues of finding a striker and defender.

Giroud and Reid. maybe... this would give me much more optimism for a top 4 / trophy challenge.

Jay Harris
110 Posted 31/07/2017 at 19:03:31
It is being reported that sources from within Swansea say Sigurdson was offered a new contract yesterday and 48 hours to sign it and that he has signed it already.

Case closed allegedly!!!!

Christy Ring
111 Posted 31/07/2017 at 19:17:28
Jay (#110) – I saw it on a couple of websites; if it's true, we were used to get him a lot bigger contract. So much for ambition.
Tony Hill
112 Posted 31/07/2017 at 19:32:07
If true, we still have time to act and get a quality recruit to give creativity. Let's hope Walsh has a proper Plan B.

I confess I am not too disappointed but I wonder if Ronald will be pleased with the Board's handling of this?

Kunal Desai
113 Posted 31/07/2017 at 19:38:43
I can't imagine he has signed a new deal. He didn't travel on their tour to the USA and was also left out of their friendly game on the weekend.

After pursuing a player all this time, having bids rejected where the valuations are not overly far apart, I'd be surprised if the clubs don't reach an agreement on a deal.

Trevor Peers
114 Posted 31/07/2017 at 19:42:03
No mention of that on Swansea City live online tweets.
Chris Williams
115 Posted 31/07/2017 at 19:52:04
Nothing from 'Sky Sources' as yet...
Karl Jones
116 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:02:30
We should forget about Sigurdsson and keep Barkley for another season, contract or no contract... He's a much better player than Sigurdsson IMO. Koeman needs to swallow his pride and do what's best for Everton.
Joe Clitherow
117 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:06:40
Forget about Barkley. What has this got to do with Koeman "swallowing his pride"?

The player clearly wants to leave, see ya, Bye. I think he has been tapped up for months, as I've said.

Chris Williams
118 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:08:14
Let's try not to make this yet another Barkley thread.
Trevor Peers
119 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:26:06
'Everton manager Ronald Koeman is preparing a £50m bid for Swansea City midfielder Gylfi Sigurdsson to boost the club's chances of qualifying for the Champions League, according to reports'.

That seems to be the latest news on the web about Sigurdsson, Jay.

Colin Glassar
120 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:27:59
Didn't Arnautovic do the same last season at Stoke?

If this is true, then Sigurdsson goes on my blacklist.

Chris Williams
121 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:31:09
The original article has not been reproduced or corroborated as yet, but it cited sources from within Swansea City Supporters Trust that owns 21% of the club, saying Sigurdsson has signed a new contract and an announcement was to follow.

How true it is who knows, and why it should leak to one outlet, not a particularly reliable one, is equally strange.

Chris Williams
122 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:32:40
He did Colin, and there was another player who did the same.
Colin Glassar
123 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:37:03
If Swansea get relegated this season, I hope we aren't linked to him next season like that rat, Sissoko. No more escape routes for failures!!
Chris Williams
124 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:38:46
It's still unsubstantiated, Colin.

They may be anyway.

Brian Harrison
125 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:40:13
I cant understand why this is taking so long. Paul Clement said he wants it sorted quickly and he has been Koeman's main target. Looks like Swansea want the £50 million, if you want him pay it for heavens sake.

Mind as long as Rooney or Sigurdsson or Klaassen isn't going to replace Tom Davies our most creative midfield player. I would play Gana Gueye in Schneiderlin's position and play Tom, Schneiderlin was surplus to requirements at Man Utd and I think he might find himself in the same position here.

Why you need 2 defensive midfield players at home beats me, maybe away at Man City and Chelsea and Man Utd he might be needed.

But lets be positive and pick players who want to get into the opponent's box and create something.

David Barks
126 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:44:42
Putting whether he has signed a new contract or not to the side, because none of us know right now, there is a bigger issue I've had with signing him.

On the one hand, I believe he is a talented player and he is the best player in their team. Those reasons had me accepting that, if we are bidding for him, then I hope we get the signing over with and he contributes for Everton.

But the complete lack of motivation from the player to actually seek a move, to better his career by challenging for titles and Europe as opposed to staying at a garbage club like Swansea who only hope to avoid relegation, that has me wanting to stay away from him. I don't want that type of player coming to Everton.

We need ambitious players. We need players who are always wanting to challenge themselves to be better and compete at a higher level than the previous season.

When I say 'higher level than the previous season' I don't mean just move to a bigger club. I mean they should be looking to improve themselves and what they compete for each season.

He seems perfectly happy to just stay at Swansea. That type of player won't move us forward. That's not leadership, it is not loyalty. It is apathy.

Colin Glassar
127 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:47:33
Personally, I think Sigurdsson is an excellent player and would be a great addition but, if he, his club, or both, are going to continue to screw around with us, then perhaps it's better to move on.

The season starts in a couple of days and we still don't have our "main" target on board. This should've been sorted weeks ago.

Gavin Johnson
128 Posted 31/07/2017 at 20:53:52
I hope this is concluded soon. It's getting a little late in the day to find a quality alternative.

It would be a setback if he did an Arnautovic and used us to get a pay rise. If that's the case, it would seem that Sigurdsson is a player who isn't concerned about furthering his career and is happy to be a big fish in a small pond.

Until the Swansea Trust rumour is substantiated, I wouldn't give it too much thought. Wasn't there a similar rumour that Barkley was about to sign a new contract for us earlier in the summer?!

Kunal Desai
129 Posted 31/07/2017 at 21:01:06
Didn't Sigurdsson signed a new deal with Swansea last summer amid interest from us? So he is going to sign another improved deal again this summer amid interest from us. That just doesn't make sense.
Bill Gall
130 Posted 31/07/2017 at 21:17:00
I think the reason it is taking so long to get this transfer through, is as Koeman stated, it is up to the board to get this transfer done, and we all are aware who is looking after that side of the transfers on the board. (Kenwright)
Mark Tanton
131 Posted 31/07/2017 at 21:35:03
The board got Pickford, Sandro, Rooney, Klaassen and others done before July, Bill.
Ray Roche
132 Posted 31/07/2017 at 21:39:25
Well it's three hours since a "source" claimed that Sigurdsson has signed a new Swansea deal yet no other news outlet has picked it up. Just sayin'...
Tom Bowers
133 Posted 31/07/2017 at 22:10:37
So the fee for a 28-year-old doesn't seem so bad now that Man Utd have paid £40 million for 29-year-old Matic.

If Gylfi really wants out, then it would appear Everton are the only club who wants him so it may be done very soon.

Oliver Molloy
134 Posted 31/07/2017 at 22:11:35
Spurs are due a cut of any possible transfer fee, which is why Swansea want the £50 million or as close to it as possible.
Rob Halligan
135 Posted 31/07/2017 at 22:12:05
Sky Sports News Transfer Centre on just now. Nothing at all about Sigurdsson signing a new contract with Swansea.
Colin Glassar
136 Posted 31/07/2017 at 22:14:34
It's all Jay's fault.
Christy Ring
137 Posted 31/07/2017 at 22:47:07
If I had a choice, Giroud would be a more important signing.
Viv Sharma
138 Posted 31/07/2017 at 23:36:58
David, it may well be apathy, granted... but, on the other side of the coin, you could equally argue that he's carrying himself with class and humility – not holding the club that's brought him to the top of his game to ransom, mouthing off about how signing a new contract with Swansea is "not really an option"...

I wouldn't want a poisonous twat like that at Goodison!

Chris Gould
139 Posted 31/07/2017 at 23:52:08
Sigurdsson will be ours by the end of the week. Just my gut feeling.

I'm more concerned that Giroud may hold tight at Arsenal and we may begin to get desperate.

Clive Mitchell
140 Posted 31/07/2017 at 23:58:06
I'm more concerned that Giroud might actually come.
Bobby Thomas
141 Posted 31/07/2017 at 00:09:29

I agree that a new striker is paramount. I think Ron is going to try Rooney as a No 9, and as the season rolls on it will become clear that he cant play there any more. And if I'm wrong, great!! However, it's for this reason that I think we need two strikers.

By this point in this long, long saga, Sigurdsson can't possibly live up to his fee. However, if we do manage to land him he will give us something that we have been missing since the Pienaar/Arteta/Ossie days.

These lads could play these narrow wide mid positions and combine with fullbacks extremely effectively. The full backs could overlap/underlap knowing that they stood a more than decent chance of being played in, and at the right time with the right ball. They also chipped in with goals and provided balls/service for the front men and helped control the tempo of the play.

Baines hasn't had a settled or decent left sided partner for combination play since Pienaar. How long ago was the heavy defeat away to Arsenal in Martinez's first season? That game was the end of Pienaar. That's how long it is since we had an intelligent midfielder down that side. Coleman's not really had anyone settled either. I know we signed Bolasie, but your not exactly going to get the ball off him, are you?

Barkley was tried in these narrow-ish roles and has spluttered in them. It's one of the reasons I don't think he's top class, or anywhere near it. He doesn't understand the position. And he's an attacking mid!

So I do think that we definitely need someone like Sigurdsson. However, if we don't get at least one lad in up top that can act as a focal point, play with his back to goal and net, it will be a long season.

Some pace up there would be good as well. Someone who has those qualities will obviously cost a bomb. However, if we go with what we have up top right now we will be lightweight and have very little threat.

David Barks
142 Posted 01/08/2017 at 00:17:08

And that sentiment is why Everton has been removed from the elite of the football world; we don't know what it means to have star players.Neymar, we wouldn't want him here would we? Alexis Sanchez, no way would we want a player like that at Goodison, right?

I mean, how dare a footballer, who's career will be very short lived compared to other professions, make the most of that limited career span and make it known they want to advance their career when they have a chance. What a crazy notion.

Joseph Terrence
143 Posted 01/08/2017 at 00:49:59
Rumor has it that Sigurdsson has signed a new deal at Swansea. Apparently, sometime yesterday, he was given 48 hours to sign the deal and 'a source close to the Swasea Supporters Trust' has said that he has signed it. Could be bullshit but we'll know by tomorrow.


James Watts
144 Posted 01/08/2017 at 00:55:08
Joseph (#144).

You really should read comments just a bit further up. That was posted a while ago and looks like bullshit. One – it makes little sense; and two – you also have Swansea's captain coming out and saying he expects him to go.

Michael Honey
145 Posted 01/08/2017 at 01:48:02
I'm a Swansea City fan and I've been lucky enough to deal with Gylfi many times. He's a top bloke and if he does leave then your getting a player who will give you goals, will create chances out of nothing and gives 110% week in week out.

He was by far our best player last season and is the reason we are still Premier League; he can be the difference between Everton having a good season and you breaking into the top four.

His attitude last season when all looked lost was fantastic and he deserves this move for that. I've always had a soft spot for Everton and this will be a brilliant move for both parties.

Jay Harris
146 Posted 01/08/2017 at 04:54:55
Guilty as charged, Col.

The report did seem to be very informed but, as has been said, there has been no follow-up confirmation.

Hopefully this will be put to bed tomorrow.

Ray Roche
147 Posted 01/08/2017 at 07:31:03
Michael, thanks for your input. Always good to see the "opposition" viewpoint.
Colin Glassar
148 Posted 01/08/2017 at 07:31:27
Britton (Swansea capt.) expects Sigurdsson to leave for Everton (Daily Mail).

Michael H, I wish Swansea all the best as it's a great little club. I hope you use the money wisely, maybe even make a cheeky bid for Coutinho?

Erik Dols
149 Posted 01/08/2017 at 07:41:38
Colin, you mean no disrespect but how would you like it if one of the fans of the Sky-five (or six) called us "a great little club"?
Colin Glassar
150 Posted 01/08/2017 at 07:47:03
No disrespect meant Erik but "great big club" just doesn't sound right. Great little player, great little car, great little athlete etc descriptive but not direspective.
Franny Porter
151 Posted 01/08/2017 at 08:01:48
David Barks (#126).

Seeing your opinion on Sigurdsson, suppose you feel the same about Barkley now he's agitating for a move?

Will Mabon
152 Posted 01/08/2017 at 09:06:38
Swansea stole Bob Latchford from us. An Evertonian never forgets.
Keith Hitchen
153 Posted 01/08/2017 at 09:19:30
He saw us play last week, got scared, and signed a new deal – they certainly frightened me!
Chris Williams
154 Posted 01/08/2017 at 09:43:13
Wales Online, which has been pretty clued up on this saga, and not slow to give the Swansea view, has made no reference to this latest rumour and only refers to Leon Britton's view.

He must have given up politics!

James Hughes
155 Posted 01/08/2017 at 10:23:17
Will, do you remember the reception he got on his return, even when he scored against us. Mind you, we were 3-0 up by then.
Dale Rose
156 Posted 01/08/2017 at 12:58:49
Couldn't get to last week's game, so I watched on TV; disappointing in many ways, but we got the result. The expectation was too great, and we played a team with 11 defenders; fair play to them, they almost hung on.

One thing that was apparent was that we needed a striker, and we do, an out-and-out predator, for a couple of years until some of our fantastic army of young players burst forth and deliver the Champions League football.
Tom Bowers
157 Posted 01/08/2017 at 13:01:12
Bobby Thomas, you may be right regarding Koeman's intended use of Rooney and I too think it will be a mistake to play him up front. He has a great footballing brain and can still get a goal or two but, as an out-and-out striker those days are gone.

The team is still crying out for a speedy partner for Sandro and in time maybe Bolasie will be the man but, for now, it will be hit and miss with what they have. Gylfi could be a catalyst playing behind Sandro with Rooney in a different attacking system but Gylfi isn't here yet.

John Wilson
158 Posted 01/08/2017 at 13:45:07
Everton are supposedly interested in signing another 3 players, including or excluding Sigurdsson.
Steve Ferns
159 Posted 01/08/2017 at 13:57:08
Tom, if Rooney can't do it upfront where he needs to run less, then he's got no chance in Koeman's hard running, hard pressing game.

He's definitely going to play in the front three. That's due to where he's played so far in pre-season and the European game.

Let's see how he is playing in another 4 weeks when he should be up to full fitness / match practice. If he's off the pace then, that's when we can call him done.

There was some good signs shown in the games. I hope, and it's just a hope, that he will show more as he gets fitter.

Andrew Ellams
160 Posted 01/08/2017 at 14:17:48
Steve I don't think you can take too much notice of who has done what up front yet as Koeman is just filling in with what he has until he brings in more new faces.

James Stewart
161 Posted 01/08/2017 at 15:14:43
Boudebouz off to Betis for €9m! He is pretty much the Gylfi Sigurdsson of the French league. Makes an absolute mockery of Premier League prices. I like Sigurdsson but I'd prefer we shopped abroad and not get involved with the circus transfers, leave that to the RS.
Sam Hoare
162 Posted 01/08/2017 at 15:24:37
James, I saw that. I was advocating Boudebouz earlier this window. We could have got him and Calhanoglu for not much more than half of what Sigurdsson may cost. Madness! Especially considering the other areas that still need strengthening.
Andrew Ellams
163 Posted 01/08/2017 at 15:31:59
I don't know much about Boudebouz but Real Betis are no great shakes these days.
James Stewart
164 Posted 01/08/2017 at 16:00:58
Good player,Sam, I think he would have done well here. Ziyech is another one. I get the feeling Koeman has demanded Sigurdsson, whatever the cost, though.
Derek Knox
165 Posted 01/08/2017 at 16:06:24
We are allegedly, looking at Damarai Gray, now he interests me as he is basically a winger, but I reckon (only my opinion by the way) that he could so easily play the striking role, he is exceedingly quick, got good feet, and an eye for goal, not sure about his heading ability.

The other thing: he knows a lot of the Under-20 / -21 lads, who play for us, the other factor that may sway things, is Steve Walsh, who brought him to Leicester, in the first place, and he knows Everton would play him. One of the main reasons he wants to leave: he has played for the Foxes, but mainly, off the bench!

Drew O'Neall
166 Posted 01/08/2017 at 16:11:21
Outside of his cardio-vascular fitness, which hopefully will come in due course with match time, Rooney looks, aesthetically at least, in the best physical shape of his life.

I think this is testament to the work he is putting in behind the scenes which makes me think, unless he's hoping to go in to acting when he finishes on the pitch, he's giving it his best shot and I appreciate that.

Chris Watts
167 Posted 01/08/2017 at 16:28:02
I love the signings we've made so far but it's all starting to go a bit weird now.

Koeman makes some strange decisions on the pitch. Playing Calvert-Lewin on the wing is like playing with 10 men

And the last 3 weeks about made us look a little desperate in the transfer market. Why are we looking at buying another back up keeper when we have Stekelenburg? No one needs more than 2 keepers

A back up centre-back / left-back seems a waste as well. Much rather get a proper left back this year to take over from Baines and a centre back starter next year, or vice versa. We already have back up centre backs

The Sigurdsson thing is going on and on. I no longer care either way. And Giroud, good player that he is hardly is going to set the world alight.

2 more players please of the highest quality to add to the very good signings so far and let's get on with it

Chris Williams
168 Posted 01/08/2017 at 20:19:21
Wales Online reporting that no further improved offer has been received from Everton as yet. They feel that this could resolve the matter.

They also say that reports of a new contract offer to Sigurdsson are 'wide of the mark'.

They've been on the ball with their reporting so far, so it seems the ball is with Everton.

Eugene Kearney
169 Posted 01/08/2017 at 20:21:13
Why can't we get this done and dusted?
Will Mabon
170 Posted 02/08/2017 at 06:26:58
"Will, do you remember the reception he got on his return, even when he scored against us. Mind you, we were 3-0 up by then. "

I do, James. We could do with him now as it happens...

Tony Hill
171 Posted 02/08/2017 at 10:59:55
The latest I've seen says that we've made no improved offer and that Sigurdsson will be taking part in Swansea's open training session today.

Gosh, this is a saga and if he is indeed our main target, I'm not sure that the Board is acting now in a way which is consistent with that objective. Smacks of old Everton and, in the meantime, the creative hole in the side remains painfully obvious.

James Watts
172 Posted 02/08/2017 at 11:07:20
Forget Sigurdsson... Match PSG's Neymar bid. Come on, Everton – show some ambition!!!!
Gordon Crawford
173 Posted 02/08/2017 at 11:23:29
This is taking the pee. The last two weeks have seen us revert to the old Everton. Summer window started so so well, but now.... come on Everton sort this out.
John Smith
174 Posted 02/08/2017 at 12:57:07
"I also like Giroud but he's clearly not sure about what he wants and we could wait till August 31st to find he staying at Arsenal and we've missed other options."

I agree with Sam (#8).

Trevor Peers
175 Posted 02/08/2017 at 13:14:41
The delay in signing him smells of Kenwright interference. It wouldn't surprise me if the RS sell Coutinho to Barcelona and buy Sigurdsson for £60 million, then he'll crucify us in the derby games.
James Stewart
176 Posted 02/08/2017 at 13:21:51
@167 I agree with most of that.

I think we should move on from Sigurdsson now. Spend the money elsewhere. I would love us to get Belotti to replace Rom and Gray from Leicester.

James Watts
177 Posted 02/08/2017 at 13:38:22
Calm down, guys. Looks like it's going to happen before the weekend, judging by the Swansea manager's comments a short while ago.
Chris Gould
178 Posted 02/08/2017 at 13:41:08
Paul Clement has just said that he expects it to be sorted before the weekend. Could be sorted today. He says they are open to a player plus cash deal.

Sounds like Sigurdsson will be ours by end of play tomorrow. Phew.

Chris Williams
179 Posted 02/08/2017 at 13:45:09
Looks like it's finally reaching its conclusion although we've still apparently not gone back with a new offer.

He took part in open training this morning, but won't be playing on Saturday in their game against Sampdoria.

Clement is obviously getting twitchy about getting in his replacements and is open to a player as part of the deal. This must be getting back to the board at Swansea

Raymond Fox
180 Posted 02/08/2017 at 13:56:57
Unless we add 3 top quality players to our squad, we are heading towards an average league position. We need a prolific goal scorer as a replacement for Lukaku, a quality Number 10 to back up Sandro (who looks a gem and at £5m a steal) and finally a left back.

I'd like to see Rooney used as a playmaker just behind the forwards. I'm not too impressed with what I've seen of Klaassen so far, he's not a starter for me.

We have a decent squad with plenty of good players knocking on the door for first team action but, as I intimated, earlier we are just lacking that extra quality that might see us challenge a top 6 spot.

Andrew Ellams
181 Posted 02/08/2017 at 14:12:53
Raymond, what exactly have you seen of Klaassen that makes you think he's behind in the pecking order?
Jay Harris
182 Posted 02/08/2017 at 15:06:11
Clement confirmed that Swansea are in advanced negotiations with "another" club and he hopes and expects the situation to be resolved by the weekend with the two clubs' different valuation the only hindrance to the deal.

Lets get this one over the line but the most important signing will be a "quality" player to lead the line.

I don't know why we aren't in for Ineanecho, Dembele or Dzecko as Giroud seems to be hedging his bets while others are getting snapped up.

Nigel Munford
183 Posted 02/08/2017 at 15:09:13
Raymond, you'd best get used to seeing him, whether you like him or not, as he will be a regular starter (baring injury).
Raymond Fox
184 Posted 02/08/2017 at 15:34:43
In reply to Andrew and Nigel:

Klaassen looks pretty ordinary in the games I've seen... just my opinion, chaps, let's hope I'm wrong.

Erik Dols
185 Posted 02/08/2017 at 15:44:34
Raymond, not to say anything about your claims on the performances of Klaassen as I saw little of the games played so far. But what you describe sounds like classic Klaassen.

Some games he really doesn't catch your eye and looks very average. One of his biggest assets is his mentality and I can imagine that in pre-season games that is not an asset on show. I think Koeman knows this and Klaassen will be starting in the Premier League (baring injury) to see if he can replicate his finest form there.

You can compare him a bit with Cahill in this respect; in some matches, Tim just didn't get in the right positions for one reason or another and in those matches he looked quite ordinary. Still, Cahill is my favourite Evertonian this millennium. By far. I really hope Klaassen will be equally effective.

Andrew Ellams
186 Posted 02/08/2017 at 15:47:27
Not sure how you can write a player off after one competitive match.
Tom Bowers
187 Posted 02/08/2017 at 16:00:07
Apparently Giroud, Wilshere and Oxlade-Chamberlain will be resolving their issues this month which we assume will be based on how much they are ''needed'' by the Gunners.

Giroud would do a decent job for Everton at the right price.

Colin Glassar
188 Posted 03/08/2017 at 21:56:36
If Sigurdsson comes in, I can see either Gana or Schneiderlin being pushed out; even Barry is more mobile, and cleverer, than those two.
Bill Gall
189 Posted 04/08/2017 at 18:10:11
Regardless if we get Sigurdsson, we still have not got a replacement for, as some supporters said about him, the lazy "can't head or trap a ball" Lukaku. It may be early days yet but I cant see any 2 players we have matching his goal tally from last season.

We cant afford wasting time on one player with a "will he or won't he" attitude to sign, while other clubs are signing other competent strikers. Goals win games; defenders save them.

Denver Daniels
190 Posted 06/08/2017 at 02:46:41
There's a good read on this subject at ESPN. The author makes a few good points on why Sigurdsson might not be the creative influence we all might hope for, and is also way overpriced.

If he signs, at £50mil this may just make or break Koeman.

Dennis Ng
191 Posted 06/08/2017 at 03:30:18
Well, given how much we spent already, even if that was the Lukaku money, it would have made this a make or break season for Koeman, Denver.

I wish we have other targets for the creative role but that player has to be highly rated by Koeman and Walsh too. For now, we can only try to recover from the sticker shock.

Denver Daniels
192 Posted 06/08/2017 at 06:31:22
I know Koeman has a penchant for players with Premier League experience, but that is a hell of a premium to pay for someone who's assists and goals come mostly from corners and free-kicks. 4 goals and 5 assists from open play and at 28 years old, no potential resale value.

Even at current prices, this is crazy money. I'm sure Koeman and Co have alternatives lined up if this falls through, hopefully from the highly publicized Italy trip by Walsh. Much better value to be found on the Continent.

Will Mabon
193 Posted 06/08/2017 at 07:16:34
Perhaps we already have Sigurdsson's facility covered, in Rooney and Klaassen (though there's the other type of cover, player numbers). The more time's passed, and extrapolating what we've seen from the team so far, the more convinced I am that it's a Barkley* type player we need... or Barkley* himself.

*for the further consideration of the Ross Out club members.

Sam Hoare
194 Posted 06/08/2017 at 07:32:45
It was pretty clear from the Europa League tie that what we lack in the final third are players with pace and excellent movement to find space in behind and make clever runs. What we don't need are more players to put their foot on the ball and look for a pass as that's what Klaassen and Rooney were doing.

I would be delighted if we spent the Sigrdsson £40m on a proper, fast winger. I actually marked Salah as such a player (grrr) before the window but someone else of that ilk.

And we need a striker. Giroud. Batshuayi. Bellotti. Demebele. Etc

James Watts
195 Posted 06/08/2017 at 07:49:54
No consideration needed for Barkley himself Will. He's leaving. He wants a new challenge. Think it's time to rest that record now but don't disagree it would be nice to get in a quality player who can get the ball, move forward (at pace) and pick the right pass or go himself. Unfortunately, there aren't many of those about that we could attract. Except Sigurdsson of course, which is the closest to that we can get right now.

Sam, agreed. Would love us to get Giroud and/or Batshuayi. Although, if we get Giroud I doubt if he'll come until the deadline. He has all the power in this move. Bellotti I don't believe we could attract. Demebele, would be a gamble as he's only played in Scotland but for the prices we heard a little while ago would be a decent gamble I think. I'm seeing Welbeck links this morning, hopefully that is just paper talk.

Unfortunately it seems Koeman & Walsh have their hearts set on Giroud and Sigurdsson. If those fail I guess we can look forward to Sissoko on deadline day. Thankfully Valenica has already moved though!

Andrew Clare
196 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:04:29
For me so far the signings we have made are good but they will take time to 'bed in'. Siggurdsson will be a good but overpriced addition.

We definitely need a left back, a central defender or two and most important of all a top class fast deadly striker. Hopefully we already have these players lined up and they are not the players mentioned in the papers.
I think we will do well but we probably won't see the signs until a couple of months into the season. One thing is for sure and that is if we start games with Williams and jags against quality opposition we will lose.

Tony Everan
197 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:13:06
Welbeck for £30 million is today's rumour. Problem is he makes Daniel Sturridge look reliable. Avoid.
Paul Tran
198 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:20:41
Will, I'd agree that we need to find the player that everybody tells me Barkley is, whether that is Barkley or AN Other. The biggest hole to fill right now is replacing the 'shit striker', who was 'useless', whose goals 'didn't count' because they were 'tap-ins', or only against 'poor teams'.

I hope that In the next few weeks we find a striker that regularly produces the only stat in football that really matters – goals. That is troubling me far more than whether we should just play the kids, or beg a player who wants to leave to stay.

Tony Waring
199 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:25:53
Just read that we are interested in Welbeck if giroud doesn't fancy the bright lights of Merseyside and, defensively, Vermaelen, who is the wrong side of 30 but a good centre-half nevertheless. I think he scored against us on his debut for Arsenal.
Sam Hoare
200 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:29:02
Welbeck is an interesting link. I've always thought that when fit he's a useful player. His goal rate in the Premier League is not great but at international level (when he was played more as an out and out striker) its almost 1 in 2.

If (and its a big "if") he could get fully fit and stay clear of injury, I think he could be a very useful addition. He's strong, fast, good in the air and works very hard. He's only 26. But his injury issues and lack of Premier League goals obviously count against him.

Michael Penley
201 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:46:40
Unwelbeck would be about as useful to us as a three-legged horse.
Chris Gould
202 Posted 06/08/2017 at 09:57:19
I'm looking forward to seeing how Sigurdsson fits into our team. If we manage to get in a new striker then it will be interesting to see who plays where.

Personally, I would find a place for young Davies. One thing is for certain, players are going to have to get used to being rotated. I think Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Sigurdsson and Davies would make a strong midfield (diamond) with Sandro and New Striker playing up front.

Gueye is a great player but we are stifling creativity playing him and Schneiderlin together, neither has Barry's range of passing and I'd like to see Davies play next to Schneiderlin. Rooney is clearly not the player he was. It's still early days but there can be no sentiment, and he must be benched if others are performing better.

The concern with Sigurdsson is that his pre-season has been destroyed by this transfer saga. He has played half a match of Swansea's first friendly. I was hoping that we would have him in time for the Seville match but that's clearly not happening. He is a fit lad and fantastic professional so maybe it won't be as much of an issue for him as it would be for others.

It will certainly take several games for the team to gel, but I think we will be a match for most when we do.

Oliver Molloy
203 Posted 06/08/2017 at 10:59:47
It's an open secret that Sigurddsson is not happy with Everton for hanging him out to dry, so to speak, and Koeman is fuming apparently because Kenwright is questioning and haggling over both the fee and Koeman's judgement.

Barkley will not be sold on the cheap, especially to Spurs.

Colin Glassar
204 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:10:37
Oliver, this is affecting both teams badly. We need the player in, asap, to get him used to his new team and Swansea need the money to buy their targeted players.

Swansea have shown themselves to be pig-headed as I think this situation is them worse than it is us.

Chris Williams
205 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:18:06
Oliver, do you have some inside information or are you speculating about Koeman's and Sigurdsson's frame of mind?

Also, do you have any information about Kenwright's alleged interference? Although as Chairman, he is well within his rights to do that.

Based on past performance, I would surmise that there is a real issue with this negotiation and I would suspect that the issue would be Kenwright, but I have no hard information to back that up.

Do you?

John G Davies
206 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:18:19
Where did you hear that?
Trevor Peers
207 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:27:23
Unsworth on stand by? I'm getting the feeling it might all end like that. Might not be a bad thing.

As Bobby Mallon indicated in another thread, it seems we have only ever won trophies with a manager who has played for the blues.

Colin Glassar
208 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:32:23
Unsy will never be Everton manager. The romantic notion of former players taking over Premier League teams is long gone. After Koeman will come another big name foreign manager.
Chris Gould
209 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:47:51
It's Kenwright's judgement that's the problem. He was planning Rooney's return long before Koeman was manager.

I suspect Koeman wanted Sigurdsson all along and had very little interest in Rooney, but was told Rooney was coming and that he had to accept it. Kenwright probably views Rooney as the cheaper alternative and knows that Rooney may struggle to get in the team with Sigurdsson's arrival.

If you're going to pay a manager £6 million a year then you had better trust his judgement on players. This is threatening to destabilise what has been a very productive summer.

Trevor Peers
210 Posted 06/08/2017 at 11:50:37
Unsy has already been manager, Colin, if Koeman decides to walk because he's frustrated in the transfer market, I think it would be a definite possibility.
Barry McNally
211 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:03:18
There's no way Koeman will walk even if they don't sign Sigurdsson. I expect Sigurdsson to sign before Saturday.
James Watts
212 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:16:21
Wowsers. Conspiracy theorists unite.

Oliver. What a load of tosh. Open secret? Course it is. So open no one else has heard it. Except you.

Chris. Again, what a load of tosh. How do we know Rooney was lined up way before Koeman? Koeman was waxing lyrical about Rooney back on January and ever since he's signed. That's not a man talking about someone they don't want. We don't have a clue what the hold up is. Could be anything! I know. I think it's because Elvis is alive and Koeman wants him and not Sig. Just as believable as what your guessing at.

Seriously. Some people on here still surprise me. And not in a good way.

Trevor Peers
213 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:16:37
Agreed it's probably a long shot, but Koeman left Valencia after less than six months in the job in 2008. So he has history, if he feels he's getting messed about.

One the reason's he left by 'mutual agreement' was for telling long-standing Valencia players to find new clubs. Sound familiar?

Colin Glassar
214 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:23:03
Where has all this Koeman leaving nonsense come from? Why would he leave? He's earning a fortune, the club is getting most of the players he's asked for, he loves chip butties with margarine, what more could he ask for?

Let's remain focussed people, The Sig will be here "soon".

Chris Gould
215 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:26:06
James, as I said, it's what I suspect. No corroborating evidence. It may be tosh, it may not be. It is well known that Kenwright wanted Rooney back before last summer. It also makes sense that Koeman will have been told that it was part of the club's plans so of course he would have said that he was supportive of his return.

Does Rooney fit in with the type of players he has been recruiting? Pickford, Keane, Sandro, Klaassen, Onyekuru are all young and ambitious.

It's my suspicions, James. You don't know whether it's tosh any more than I know if it's true, but this forum is for discussion and debate. Nobody really knows what's going on but there really is no need for you to be so dismissive and borderline bloody rude.

Oliver Molloy
216 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:26:13
Chris Williams,

Yes, I believe I have a decent source like I'm sure a lot people do.


I'm told that apparently Spurs are due a percentage of any Sigurdsson fee which is why they want the £50 million. I have read this somewhere in the media also.

Everton / Kenwright / Moshiri are refusing to budge because they believe Spurs are and did have a word in our star players ear if you know what I mean. Kenwright is still hopeful Barkley will stay at Everton.


See my answer to Chris.

John G Davies
217 Posted 06/08/2017 at 12:26:20
Koeman walking out?

Boll. Ox

James Watts
218 Posted 06/08/2017 at 14:25:47
Chris. Completely baseless conjecture is hardly debate, is it? Koeman wanted him it's simple. Koeman doesn't speak about players like he does with Rooney if he doesn't want them. Ask Ross. I'm sure Kenwright did want him back, but you seriously think he brought him back if Koeman didn't want him? Do you think he'd play every pre season game if he didn't want him? I'll stick with Koeman wanted Elvis first, but couldn't get him.

Oliver. So Mosh, etc won't pay the extra 5 million because it's going to Spurs because they've tapped up Barkley? Honestly?!? Just read that again and how daft that actually sounds.

John. Agreed. lol.

Jay Harris
219 Posted 06/08/2017 at 14:34:56
Just shows you can throw a pebble in the water and it can make major ripples.

I have never read so much tripe in my life.

Koeman is not leaving, Sigurson is coming but I'm more concerned about a Rom replacement be it Giroud, Dembele. Dzecko or at least hopefully that standard.

I think we missed the boat with Ineacho and Tammy Abrahams although both are relatively unproven in the Prem.

Just a side point Michael and Lyndon whats happened to the matchday post???

Tony Everan
220 Posted 06/08/2017 at 17:05:30
I don't think that Koeman wants an inexperienced striker , so that's probably why he sidestepped ieanacho .Giroud would be a good signing , but it is looking unlikely . It will be interesting to see who we end up with !
Oliver Molloy
221 Posted 06/08/2017 at 21:04:14
James @ 218

I believe that Kenwright was the main driving force to bring Rooney back to the club and I believe Koeman is playing the game... for now

Regards you thinking I'm a little daft, well you are entitled to your opinion, a lot of daft stuff goes in football like haggling over a couple of million for a £50 million pound transfer the manager has made very clear he wants!

As for your opinion regards. Didn't Koeman say he wanted him to stay?

James Watts
222 Posted 07/08/2017 at 01:58:29
Oliver (#221).

a lot of daft stuff goes in football like haggling over a couple of million for a £50 million transfer the manager has made very clear he wants! Agreed. But to say we won't pay the extra few million because Spurs will get it, well, as Jay Harris (#219) states I have never read so much tripe in my life. You do realise if we did offer £40+5m then Spurs would have got £4.5m out of that? You think if Spurs got £5m instead Mosh and Co would say hold on, not paying that extra £0.5m as they tapped up Barkley?

As for your opinion regards. Didn't Koeman say he wanted him to stay? I'll assume you meant Barkley? If so, I think he certainly heavily implied it as I do remember him saying 'we' wouldn't have offered him a contract if we didn't want him. Or words to that effect. But now Barkley has said no, Koeman has made it clear he won't play, the matter is closed and he'll be sold.

I don't doubt Kenwright was a driving force to bring Rooney back... but you really think we would have brought him back if Koeman had said he doesn't want him? Koeman playing the game. He's started Rooney in every game, waxed lyrical about him and said what a leader he is. That's not just playing the game.

Everything you know about Koeman and seen of him since he's been with us do you really think he's just playing the game with Rooney? Seriously? Doesn't make sense Oliver. Not one little bit. If it was Martinez then sure, I would be on board. But not with this fella.

Oliver Molloy
223 Posted 07/08/2017 at 20:27:04
Well James, yes I do actually believe the hold up with this transfer is over a million or two because it hasn't happened!

And yes, I think Koeman is playing the game with Rooney and other stuff also. He is quite clever, his recent comments that the club has really only spent £7 million because we sold Lukaku for £95 million, for me this is Koeman telling us what is really going on.

It is rumoured that Rooney has a guarantee that he will start at least 70% of games (and all home games) if fit to do so.

If this is true maybe Koeman is getting him games in early , we will see in time what happens.

Barkley: Koeman was asked recently if Ross was still at Everton after deadline day would he be considered for selection.

Yes he will be part of the first team group and will train with the first team , the rest is up to him, or something like this.

So I reckon you have got this wrong James, Koeman said Barkley would be sold 100% if he didn't sign the contract on offer, it's up to Kenwright and Co to sell him, not Koeman, although as I said, Kenwright wants Barkley to stay big time.

Colin Glassar
224 Posted 08/08/2017 at 08:52:59
NewsNow (Everton) is so bereft of transfer gossip they have resorted to re-hashing old TW transfer chat from June!
Tony Abrahams
225 Posted 08/08/2017 at 09:21:22
I saw that Colin, junkies the lot of us!
James Watts
226 Posted 08/08/2017 at 09:50:13
Haha, I thought that too Colin (#224). Muriel, didn't he play against us for Sevilla? Then I saw the date!

Oliver (#223).
So you're saying the Sig hold up is we won't pay the extra because Spurs would make £500k out of it and as they tapped up Barkley we're saying no? Even though with the previous bid they'd still get 4.5m? That's simply daft. There is obviously an issue, but for it to be that one? Nahhhh. Don't buy it. The more sensible view is that Mosh doesn't want to part with £50 mill for Sig and saw his absolute max as £45 mill so they are now trying to work something out.

We'll have to disagree over Rooney/Koeman. Still doesn't add up to me even though you've now come up with "It is rumoured that Rooney has a guarantee that he will start at least 70% of games ( and all home games ) if fit to do so.". Another rumour? Started by you? Seriously do you just make these up? Gold star for effort though.

You may well be right however on Barkley re Kenwright wanting him to stay. In fact, I would be surprised otherwise as we know from previous experience that's the case with Kenwright and local lads. And yes Koeman did say he'll be part of the first team training out of respect but he certainly never intimated that he'd play in any games. Not once. And yes he did say he'll 100% be sold as there is no business sense in running down a players contract in their final year hoping they'll sign even though they said they won't. You think Kenwright would have the power to say "Hey Mosh, let's just keep hold of Barkley as I'm sure he'll change his mind. £20-30m doesn't matter anyway if he doesn't? eh Mosh?" Time for another 'rumour' or 'it's an open secret' to back your post up Oliver.

If you were saying 'my gut feeling is' type scenario then fair enough. But your posts simply do not make any logical sense by backing them up with red top type rumours and-in the-knows.

Oliver Molloy
227 Posted 08/08/2017 at 15:02:58

So why could it be that Moshiri maximum is £45 million? Koeman wants the player – right.

If I was Moshiri and I was aware that a club had tapped up my player (given that Moshiri doesn't particularly like Levy , another rumour) I would be doing all I could to give him sweet fuck-all. Now remember, our new guy is a billionaire.

I know you are not as easily convinced as I am James but Rooney was not getting a game at Man Utd and his reputation was and still is on a downward spiral. Rooney would never have signed for Everton without some guaranteed playing time – that doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all, forget all this "once a blue" bullshit. Rooney signing for Everton was all Kenwright.

You reckon Kenwright has no pull with Moshiri – who got him to the club? Yeah Moshiri won't listen to Kenwright.

Regards Barkley not getting a game, I guarantee you if he still the club after deadline day he will feature in the team ( providing he is respectful and is training well ).

John G Davies
228 Posted 08/08/2017 at 15:20:16
Being a great player certainly doesn't guarantee you become a great manager.

Let's sack Koeman and go for a proven replacement.
Welcome to the hot seat Rhino. 😁

Karl Jones
229 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:20:59
Judging by the snails pace that this deal is progressing at, it looks as though there will be no more money until Barkley is sold.
Dermot Byrne
230 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:38:49
In the absence of any news or even new fantasy, can I just ask a question:

Does the transfer window always slam shut?

Mike Gaynes
231 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:39:56
James (#222 and #226), I agree with everything except your dismissal of the possibility that Barkley will play.

Consider two hypotheticals – for some reason he's not sold in the next three weeks, and we don't get the Sigurdsson deal over the line. Both are quite possible.

Starting Saturday, we have a stretch of five games in 16 days. If we keep winning in the Europa League, there will be similar stretches to follow. So once Barkley's healthy, does Ronald leave him in the stands because he hasn't signed the new deal?

I doubt it. He'd still be a player under contract to Everton and still very much needed during those high-pressure periods. If nobody comes in for him and we don't get Sigurdsson, I see him playing.

Mike Gaynes
232 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:43:31
Yes, Dermot... usually on our fingers.
Iain Latchford
233 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:45:37
Coutinho goes to Barca. RS buy Sigurdsson. I can see it happening. Maybe that's the reason for the delay.

Not that I'm paranoid or anything.

James Stewart
234 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:48:04
Iain you took the words right out of my mouth. Sigurdsson would be quite similar to Coutinho in many ways and his work rate would definitely appeal to Klopp.
Jay Woods
235 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:49:36
It's looking increasingly likely that we've all been had – again. (What was that story about "fool me once, shame on you, etc."?)

Iain Latchford: that would be a very Evertonian experience.

Dermot Byrne
236 Posted 08/08/2017 at 16:52:07
God maybe we should just not down our worst paranoid fears to feel better.

I have heard Liverpool have bid for our new stadium site and are backed by Trump and BL Zebub.

There...much better.

John G Davies
237 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:07:33

George Dubya will fill you in on that saying.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
238 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:29:53
For those who are thinking £50m for Siguardsson is not money well spent, then if he goes to the dark side – happy days!
Iain Latchford
239 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:38:55
Looks like the Coutinho deal is now happening at around £80m. Aren't Sigurdsson's stats better than Coutinho's?


John G Davies
240 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:41:49
Phil, 238

Cue pandemonium...

I know I said he's not worth £50M.... Buy him Now!

Mark Tanton
241 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:42:09
Swansea have the most to lose here – do they really want to start then season under a Lescott type cloud? They should sell him sharpish and reinvest.
Michael Lynch
242 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:51:09
Coutinho is worth more than £80m. We should put in a bid, and a similar one for Dicky Van Dijk at Soton.
James Hughes
243 Posted 08/08/2017 at 17:57:41
Dermot (#230) -Does the transfer window always slam shut?

The PL mandarins have been working on child friendly, slow closing options so fingers don't get hurt.

Steps taken, are announcing well in advance the date it closes but this seems to escape some managers and Chairmen... hence the scrabbling about last minute. They have also taken to emailing the Sky transfer clock, the one that ticks away the seconds, to all clubs on a daily basis.

I understand they are also working on a new format for the elderly Chairmen, which sends regular reminders of the closing deadline in a dementia friendly way.

Very sorry... I am bored.

Iain Johnston
244 Posted 08/08/2017 at 18:45:54
Iain @233. It's not paranoia mate, it's typical Kenwright who'll respond with "Well, we tried". The RS will offer the asking price and it'll be done before they play Watford, end of...

Kenwright see's Rooney as Ross's replacement & Sandro as Lukaku's and will be loath to fork out for others. Why spend the clubs money when sales bankroll replacements rather than additions?

Apart from transfer reinvestment the club has spent what, £14m since Koeman arrived? He didn't sign up for that, he got that at Soton.

My gut feeling is that Koeman will walk if he loses out on Sigurdsson and the club fail to bring in the other three he wants.

Brent Stephens
245 Posted 08/08/2017 at 18:56:51
Iain (#244) wow, that's some ITK there. First, that we won't get Sigurdsson (we might, we might not, but damned if I know). Second, that rs will sign him – "end of"? Really? Do you really know that much so as to be able to close down discussion?
Gordon Crawford
246 Posted 08/08/2017 at 19:00:17
It seems like our amateur side has raised its head again. Rapidly going backwards with this transfer. This is embarrassing.
Colin Glassar
247 Posted 08/08/2017 at 19:02:46
Like the old song goes, "Nobody does it better". Back to normal lads and lasses.
Iain Johnston
248 Posted 08/08/2017 at 19:13:59
Sorry Brent, it's the weather, I've still not dried out from Sunday!

It all just feels like the Dean Saunders saga all over again.

Mark Tanton
249 Posted 08/08/2017 at 19:24:10
Might it just be that Swansea want the deal done and their way of pressuring Everton into falling in line and signing the agreement is to apply some pressure publically?
Brent Stephens
250 Posted 08/08/2017 at 19:24:28
Haha, Iain! I can understand the frustration!

Also got drenched myself on the way home on Sunday.

From one drip to another
Best wishes!

Soren Moyer
251 Posted 08/08/2017 at 20:38:11
Nothing has changed I'm afraid! We still are a selling club and can't spend unless we sell. So much for the new reign!
Dave Ganley
252 Posted 08/08/2017 at 20:55:14
Have to agree with others on here, it appears that the powers that be are doing their best to completely kill the feelgood factor that most blues were feeling for the first time for a long time.

It's being reported that the two clubs are as little as £5m apart. This has dragged on for far too long. Sigurdsson won't be up to speed till nearly the end of August as it is let alone with all the fucking around that's going on. If they want him, just get him.

If Swansea are taking the piss then just tell them where to go and move on. All this messing around is doing no one any good. It's taking valuable time away from chasing other targets and making us look a bit foolish now, undoing all the good work done last month. We still need a striker, defender and a wide man too, this is only heading one way, down to deadline day and another string of disappointments.

I know it doesn't take Evertonians long to see the bad in situations (and to be fair we've had an awful lot of bad to contend with) but I actually believed we had turned a corner and started to display a mentality that we've been sadly lacking for many years. More fool me I guess.

It may all turn out okay (can hope I suppose) but the more likely scenario is that we piss around and end up with a Marcus Bent look alike, no playmaker and Barnsley's latest project. Very cynical I suppose but nothing I've seen over the last couple of weeks has done anything to deter me from that view. Let's hope I'm made to eat these words.

Brent Stephens
253 Posted 08/08/2017 at 21:00:41
Maybe, just maybe, Everton are playing the long game - don't be seen to be paying top whack on this one, or else other clubs will be holding out for top whack in future.
Oliver Molloy
254 Posted 08/08/2017 at 21:22:09
Iain @ 244,

Kenwright desperately wants Barkley and Rooney to play together – it's his dream.

Dave Ganley
255 Posted 08/08/2017 at 21:22:37
Possibly right, Brent but this saga is just dragging on and on. The season starts this week and we'd really want players in and starting to gel given the run of early fixtures we have.

I'm not saying it's all Everton's fault but they either want him or they don't. It does nobody any good to let this drag on to transfer deadline day.

If it's a game of bluff then let's call Swansea's bluff and say we move on to other targets and let them deal with an unhappy player.

Ray Smith
256 Posted 08/08/2017 at 22:34:08
When is this saga going to end? Clement wants it sorted, Koeman wants it sorted.

It's an absolute joke and we are on the end of it.

Why can't somebody in the know make a statement.

I want Sigurdsson to join us, he's not worth £50m, but if that is the price in this current crazy world we live in, pay up or walk away.

If Moshiri is so committed to the cause, what has his personal indifferences against Levy got to do with it. If true it's not professional, and when Sigurdsson does join us, when is he going to be match fit for selection?

Absolute joke. We are being made to look a laughing stock, and I actually believe we are in respect of this Icelandic saga.

Rant over, but it's still embarrassing.

Anthony Burke
257 Posted 08/08/2017 at 22:57:32
This is frustrating; however, I do believe we will sign him – great signing this will be .
Iain Johnston
258 Posted 08/08/2017 at 22:58:26
Sky Sports reporting talks have now broken down.
Kunal Desai
259 Posted 08/08/2017 at 23:01:53
Not sure why the club would have increased their offer and 48 hours later reverted back to the original offer of £40 million. Sounds daft. But if one thing is true nothing is beyond this board.

Let's hope this is just nonsense and the deal is done before the weekend.

Bill Gall
260 Posted 08/08/2017 at 23:08:48
And I was beginning to think that the board were willing to back the manager when he asked for a player who, in his mind would improve the team.
James Watts
261 Posted 08/08/2017 at 23:24:41
Oliver (#227).

So why could it be that Moshiri's maximum is £45million? . It was a complete guess based on nothing. My point is that it could be anything but I'd wager it's much more complicated than us not wanting to give Spurs another £500k.

Rooney would never have signed for Everton without some guaranteed playing time – that doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all Nor me. But to say he's guaranteed to play all home games and 70% of games is ludicrous. There would be nothing wrong to say "You'll start in my first xi and we'll see how we go but you have to work hard and play well" type scenario. But that's the same for most players.

You reckon Kenwright has no pull with Moshiri – who got him to the club? Yeah Moshiri won't listen to Kenwright. Of course he has pull. But lets revisit. We won't pay the extra for Sig because Spurs get 500k. Yet we're willing to write off the money we could get for Barkley by keeping him? Spot the irony? You think that makes sense to a billionaire?

Regards Barkley not getting a game, I guarantee you if he still at the club after deadline day, he will feature in the team (providing he is respectful and is training well). I don't see it and find it unlikely from everything Koeman has said about Barkley. But we'll see on that one.

Mike (#231), I wouldn't be surprised if Barkley was still here to be honest. I would be surprised if Koeman played him though because Koeman isn't the type to back down. Plus what type of message does that send out? A player who wants to leave, won't sign a new contract but still plays? True, he's never actually said he won't play him but if you look back at the interviews he's all but said he won't play him. But then again he did say he'd be 100% sold!

James Watts
262 Posted 08/08/2017 at 23:26:02
Kunal (#48):

Not sure why the club would have increased their offer and 48 hours later reverted back to the original offer of £40 million.

I suspect that's paper talk, Kunal. Why would they do that? Even our board aren't that dumb.

Otto Sani
263 Posted 09/08/2017 at 17:43:36
I was so pleased when we did quick transfers early in the summer. Can we please sort this one out now or move on? £50mil could buy us a nifty center-forward like Belotti. Sigurdsson ain't worth £30mil and we all know it...

Can't we go for some up-and-coming Portugese playmaker with out stack of money, if we really need one? Why does it have to be Sigurdsson? £50mil, for someone called Siggy? Really?
Ray Smith
264 Posted 09/08/2017 at 19:26:18
Another 24 hours passes by and nothing to suggest that we are any nearer to signing Gylfi. When is Kenwright and/or Moshiri going to give an update?

Absolute farce... we are being made to look fools, and once again I suspect Kenwright is behind all this.

Good business conducted at start of the window, then we revert to type, dithering, when he could have been part of the team and match-fit by now.

I despair... Koeman must be wondering what to say next, because when he does speak, it doesn't happen.

Colin Glassar
265 Posted 09/08/2017 at 19:30:27
I agree, Otto, we should only buy players called Juan Carlos or Victor Emanuel – or even Alf.
James Barkley
266 Posted 12/08/2017 at 15:51:37
It's about time we signed an Icelandic called Sigurdsson.

Just give him more Scouse already.

Gordon Crawford
267 Posted 14/08/2017 at 10:59:25
The rags are reporting that the dark side's odds of signing Sigurdsson are dropping. We need to get this sorted asap.
Antony Matthews
268 Posted 14/08/2017 at 22:05:10
Perhaps Swansea are doing an "Everton" and waiting for the Sky money to arrive in and putting bids in for their targets who will replace Sigurdsson before allowing him to leave... or maybe it's just me being sceptical.
Terence Tyler
269 Posted 15/08/2017 at 20:08:18
John Percy Telegraph, Sigurdsson to have medical at Everton tomorrow, fee agreed
Rob Halligan
270 Posted 15/08/2017 at 20:12:58
About time TT
Mike Hughes
271 Posted 15/08/2017 at 20:13:43
£45m for Sigurdsson according to R5L.
And Barry to WBA.

Brian Murray
272 Posted 15/08/2017 at 20:19:23
Siggy will be stardust. Let the good times roll. Now just need a mad Mick up front to nod 'em in at the Kop end all day .
Jay Harris
273 Posted 15/08/2017 at 20:24:06
Looking forward to seeing him with the shirt alongside our new top goalscorer?????
Chris Gould
274 Posted 15/08/2017 at 20:32:59
Those weeks of negotiations have cost Sigurdsson a pre-season but saved us £5 million.
If that £5 million is needed for another deal to go through then the delay will have been worth it. The fact that we fought so hard, and hung Sigurdsson out to dry in the process, suggests that we have an absolute limit to our spending and every million counts.
We are far from free spending and that's very sensible.

I think once this one finally gets over the line others will quickly follow. Out and in.

Ray Smith
275 Posted 16/08/2017 at 16:03:00
I'm guessing that the reason for the hold up, has been Swansea, stalling until replacements have been lined up.

Looks like I may have to eat my words about BK and Moshiri (264), keeping their powder dry.

A pity it couldn't have been sorted a month ago. By now Sigurdsson would be match fit. However, I hope to see him starting a.s.a.p

Man City next Monday on the bench?, then a start in 2nd leg Europa League.

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