The tabloid suggested yesterday that the club would consider selling the defender this summer, just a year after he arrived in a deal from Burnley that could end up topping £30m if he stays at Goodison Park for the long haul.
The Blues could end up taking a loss on the England international, however, if they can't get the evaluation they would want.
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1 Posted 12/02/2018 at 06:24:15
2 Posted 12/02/2018 at 06:54:21
I still think there are a lot who deserve to go before him, but would hold on for a while, till the team and Club get settled themselves. A decent manager may be just what he needs.
Besides, who does Allardyce think he is, having the audacity to sell players (at a loss) when he (hopefully) is only here short term himself?
3 Posted 12/02/2018 at 07:28:14
I notice his ‘record' at Leicester is Slimani and a bunch of other players who have barely made an appearance.
4 Posted 12/02/2018 at 07:31:36
5 Posted 12/02/2018 at 07:51:01
Come on, lads you're better than this!
6 Posted 12/02/2018 at 07:54:50
7 Posted 12/02/2018 at 08:04:52
8 Posted 12/02/2018 at 08:12:15
9 Posted 12/02/2018 at 08:31:23
I was pissed off accepting defeat at the Emirates, something this Club should never do but it seems fashionable to blame Sam for everything. At this rate we will end up with more managers than central defenders.
10 Posted 12/02/2018 at 09:04:55
It all points to poor scouting. Poor, inadequate diligence taken on any given player. Strong personalities winning false arguments on players.
These constant debacles have set the club back years, something has got to change.
11 Posted 12/02/2018 at 09:32:05
12 Posted 12/02/2018 at 10:03:45
Keane will go on to be an Everton regular for years. Give the lad a chance, he's played through injuries and it's his first season alongside 5 different partners and two different systems so far.
On Saturday he was very good even though with our static midfield he had nobody to pass to at times and inevitably had to lump it as Fat Sam demands. We need to build this lad's confidence and find a regular partner for him.
Why can't someone write Everton consider selling Schneiderlin if they want to amuse us on the weekend?
13 Posted 12/02/2018 at 10:04:08
14 Posted 12/02/2018 at 10:08:23
15 Posted 12/02/2018 at 11:08:23
The defence and indeed our attack will look a whole lot better once we sign a strong central midfielder. I have every confidence Sam will do that in the summer.
16 Posted 12/02/2018 at 11:17:43
I don't think this manager should be deciding which players we buy or sell anyway.
17 Posted 12/02/2018 at 12:35:12
Mangala is short term with no option to buy anyway but obviously his record in England hasn't been very good to date and has started with two dodgy performances (well one and half).
Williams and Jagielka are both yesterday's men and not the future.
Holgate is too young in my opinion and not really physical or that good yet to be relied upon in the centre of defence . He gets bullied too easily by stronger opponents, also his distribution is on a par with Williams for being awful.
Funes Mori will leave in the summer I think, has been out for what seems like forever and I can't even remember the last time I seen this guy play for Everton? He's another though that while he is competent enough, he turns like the QE2.
I think there's a good defender there somewhere in Michael Keane but not whilst this merry-go-round of defensive partners carries on.
18 Posted 12/02/2018 at 13:20:47
19 Posted 12/02/2018 at 13:21:12
if Big Sam is allowed to choose and buy a central defender, we'll end up with a big bruiser of a player, who hoofs the ball to Row Z, coz that's his style.
I would much prefer a defender who can play, and carry the ball out of defence (but do row Z when absolutely required). Not easy to find, but they are around.
Jim at 15, while I agree that Jags may not be the long term future, he is the present, and most central defenders are best in maturity. The combination of an old head with a young athletic partner are usually the best together. I feel that Jags, alongside Holgate has been our best combination so far.
Holgate can play, and I have watched him bring the ball out of defence with great composure. I know he has made mistakes, but haven't they all. He will be an excellent centre back with the right coaching. But sadly for him as as a youngster, he has had much to cope with.
I really want Keane to succeed. He did have a great season at Burnley, which is why we were attracted to him, but he did have a good manager there. He too, needs the right manager to advise him and work with him. His confidence is clearly shot to pieces. Fingers crossed we get a proper coaching manager in the summer who will bring out the best in him again.
All the players need a chance with a better manager who can restore confidence, passion and a modern style of football. Only then should we look at who goes and who stays.
20 Posted 12/02/2018 at 13:54:49
As bad as Williams has been, I still think the Williams / Holgate partnership offers the most. After that, Jagielka / Keane is the next best. Jagielka / Williams is a disaster. Williams and Keane haven't done too well together, and I don't think we've seen Keane and Holgate.
Mangala hasn't played enough, but he appears to be another that needs to be led, rather than one to lead.
21 Posted 12/02/2018 at 14:04:37
In reality, apart from pickford, coleman, davies, sigurdsson, gueye and walcott, (and for me, dcl and lookman)
Sell the lot of em. Rebuild.
22 Posted 12/02/2018 at 14:21:29
Are we just going through a huge transition and need patience, or have we really bought shite? Can we really miss the target so badly every time or are they being dragged into the turmoil once they get here? Second rate managers, short term contracts, not popular with the fans, boardroom transition and insecurity, etc...
Keane has been far from impressive but, given that Jags looks like he can only play 1 in 3 games now, Williams has been pretty crap since he came, Funes Mori never convinced me but I find myself praying he comes back soon, Mangala is an accident (with no waiting to happen!), Holgate at times great, at times switches off I don't think we can afford to get rid, I think he will be reasonable if not setting the world alight, once there is some consistency at all levels.
Oh, and Fran (19) "Sell the lot of em. Rebuild." Isn't rebuilding basically what is going on... how successful that is remains to be seen, but at the moment, we can only shake our heads in disbelief at times.
23 Posted 12/02/2018 at 14:25:57
Keane appears to be both, can't pass/control a ball, can't defend. Exactly how does this make you worth £30million?
Walsh to be paraded and egged? Love that idea too
24 Posted 12/02/2018 at 15:32:03
So many clubs have bought players they believed would add something special to their squad only for them to be a complete waste of time & money. We don't have to think for very long to be able to name an expensive player for another team that ended up being a complete nobby
Everton are hurting from our current pool of misfits because we don't have the commercial resources that some of the teams who qualify for the Champions League season after season have to just spend on new players if any of the existing squad are deemed not good enough
As shite as things are right now I don't think we have set ourselves back as badly as it feels right at this time. If we win our next two games its likely we will be in the top 7 and more importantly as good as safe for this season
We have had a shocker in terms of results and performances so far this season but teams who have spent much more than us like Arsenal and Chelsea have also underachieved
Everton are still comfortably the 7th team in the league in terms of fan base and financial ability. We do need to spend more wisely but then when we do that means playing it safe and signing players like Rooney and Walcott and those type of signings don't exactly help us get to the next level either. We have to take risks too on new talent and we have to give them some proper game time when we do. Plus if we could snag a sugar daddy like they have at City it will help also
A lot of modern day players especially the foreign signings are confidence motivated. Warming the bench week after week is completely demotivating, so the negative cycle continues. When they convinced Tosun to leave a Champs League club I doubt they said, by the way lad expect to play half an hour a month for us
We played against Palace in the way we thought we'd see more often this season. There is still hope but the strategy behind how all kind of decisions are taken at EFC from team management to executive responsibilities needs a complete overhaul and update
25 Posted 12/02/2018 at 15:49:53
26 Posted 12/02/2018 at 16:12:22
My view is that he wrecked the club and we can moan all we like but it will take years now to correct the damage. I just hope Moshiri sticks the pace and continues to fund yet another new manager for the long-term project
27 Posted 12/02/2018 at 16:15:53
28 Posted 12/02/2018 at 17:03:23
For Keane to have any chance of becoming a decent Premier League defender he would need to develop the ability to read a game and position himself accordingly along the lines of a John Terry. The team would have to be set up to defend deep and the midfield to protect him. I doubt a fast defensive partner would have the spare capacity to cover for him if the team needed to push up the field.
Even John Terry was found wanting when Chelsea under Villa Boas defended higher up the pitch – and Keane is nowhere near Terry's quality. I feel that Keane is quite aware of his inadequacies and this undermines his confidence and further impinges on his movement.
I would definitely move Keane out, he is not what we require if we want to break into the top echelon of the Premier League.
29 Posted 12/02/2018 at 17:14:09
He pays for England!!!!
30 Posted 12/02/2018 at 17:24:18
He can then try 4 or 5 different defensive combinations in the same game, because at the moment, he looks like he hasn't a clue who to pick
31 Posted 12/02/2018 at 18:20:05
Yes I agree that we don't need to sign another central defender. Perhaps you misunderstood. I am not advocating that, but was just responding to the thread of the rumour that Michael Keane may be sold and if he were, what type of central defender I would like to replace him ( after somebody else had commented that Big Sam would find/buy us a central defender).
If you read the end of my post, I did say that I think that all our current players deserve a chance if we are lucky enough to get a Manager who is a good coach and can bring the best out of them. Only then, when we see were we need to strengthen the squad, it should be decided who should go and who should stay.
ps: Don't you think we have enough midfielders? I think a left back is more of a priority, personally. Though Cuco is trying really hard and shouldn't be castigated.
32 Posted 12/02/2018 at 18:28:59
33 Posted 12/02/2018 at 18:48:08
I am assuming Schneiderlin will go in the summer and McCarthy will be out injured for 12 months. Playing Rooney deeper will only work in certain games, usually those against the weaker teams at home, and in any event he can't do two games a week.
We desperately need a midfielder with pace, tackling strength and the passing ability to move the team up the field when we gain possession. Our lack of midfield cover was exposed on Saturday when the only option in place of Gana was Schneiderlin and we all know how well that was received!
34 Posted 12/02/2018 at 19:06:14
35 Posted 12/02/2018 at 20:31:04
We should persevere with Keane. He's young and was used to playing in a well drilled, deep-lying Burnley defence. The defensive set-up has been a shambles this season and Keane has admitted to a loss of confidence.
Williams will surely go and Jags will at best be an occasional back-up. Let's see Keane alongside a decent left-sided centre-back and full back, with Coleman restored. If the limitations persist, then we sell.
36 Posted 12/02/2018 at 21:23:19
Schneiderlin should go because he has played regularly and contributed nothing except disharmony. Have we won most of the games when he was dropped???
The following players have not been given a chance: Klaassen, Vlasic, Tosun, Ramirez (although I am less convinced on his ability to make he grade) Baningime, Fumes Mori. (Besic has been dismissed before he had a chance to come back although very injury prone.)
I would like to see last Saturday's line-up repeated with exchange of like-for-like type players.
Klaassen for Davies
Baningime for Gana
Tosun or Calvert-Lewin for Niasse
Vlasic for Sigurdsson
Bolasie for Walcott
Possibly more or better suggestions but we do need a young player who can play deep and spread the ball around like Rooney to vary the attack and not rely on hoofing it up to lone centre-forwards.
37 Posted 12/02/2018 at 21:37:14
Even Fergie got wrong sometimes: Veron, Kleberson, that Italian goalie, Mourinho the list is endless. Even our neighbours with Ballotelli, Aqualani and Carroll the only difference is them clubs know if you buy enough you eventually get the right players and they are the ones who get remembered.
38 Posted 12/02/2018 at 22:20:51
39 Posted 12/02/2018 at 22:22:28
Our back four was a shambles from the start of the season, which Koeman never addressed. We had no right-back, with Seamus injured, we had no left-back apart from Baines, who is passed his best, and no left-sided centre-back, and no wonder he found it hard to settle with Williams beside him. It would be a huge mistake to sell him, and the Sunday People prints a lot of crap.
I can't understand why Holgate has fallen out of favour. I thought he played his best game against Liverpool, with power and pace, unless he was carrying an injury. He played for the U23s tonight, and I'd have him in the first 11.
40 Posted 12/02/2018 at 22:40:47
I think he's very fragile, because it's been an absolute nightmare of a season. He could get on the front foot more, especially in the air, but I think it would be foolish to get rid of him this early, especially with everything still up in the air.
41 Posted 12/02/2018 at 23:03:15
42 Posted 12/02/2018 at 23:31:47
The disarray that has characterised this season has had a bad effect on the veterans never mind the new ones. Add to that his injuries the constant changing of team and formation the moans and groans of Goodison after every mistake and it is no wonder that players are struggling.
I have said many times before that players don't turn to crap overnight.
43 Posted 12/02/2018 at 23:34:16
Into this flakiness we introduce Michael Keane, Steve Walsh and the chairman alone presumably expecting defensive reliability to ensue throughout the team despite them failing to sign what their manager went public about in early August.
Whilst I really wonder about the psychological make-up of very many of our squad taking evasive action to avoid a ball speeding towards our goal being a point in question for too many, carefully avoiding making tackles for a few others is it any wonder Keane's head has been done in, for one, if not many more, by the gross incompetence of whoever was responsible for the summer transfer debacle?
44 Posted 12/02/2018 at 23:40:24
New left-back needed with Baines as back up.
45 Posted 13/02/2018 at 00:19:25
So, in the same context, Liverpool "mull over" selling Salah. Spurs "mull over" selling Kane, Leicester "mull over" selling Vardy.
We "mull over" where to spend Christmas.
Well, it was on TW We "mull over" taking on Conte as our new manager.
46 Posted 13/02/2018 at 02:35:54
I also agree with Derek (#2) Sam shouldn't be concerning himself with summer business in the first place. Get us to the end of the season and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
47 Posted 13/02/2018 at 05:10:03
Browning seems to be playing almost all the games for a poor Sunderland side.
Pennington is in and out, but he might turn out to be decent too.
Galloway is an enigma.
Feeney looked decent in his Europa League debut although I believe we shipped a lot of goals that day.
Gibson has been brought in as a solid, tough, no-nonsense defender.
Let us see how Funes Mori does when he comes back, he played 74 mins in a clean-sheet victory over Barnsley for the U-23s.
Hopefully Mangala's injury is not too bad and he is given another opportunity against Watford.
Plenty of options, but Sam has to quickly settle on a solid long-term central defensive partnership so that we hit the ground running next season.
48 Posted 13/02/2018 at 06:33:29
Let him play through his bad spell once we hit 40 points, I'm sure he ll come out the other side. There's no point in spunking another £30-40 million on a centre half when we may have the right one there after all.
God, we've been shite this season.
49 Posted 13/02/2018 at 06:37:18
No doubt Sam Allardyce sees it as a priority. As soon as he could get McCarthy back in he did, despite his limitations/ recent return from injury.
In general terms regarding transfer success, and without defending anyone, The Telegraph did a comparison between Ferguson and Wenger a few years ago in transfer dealings. Both had a success rate over nearly 20 years of less than 50% of players signed for the first team remaining at their club in the first team squad as permanent fixtures.
Look at Spurs. Their disasters with the Bale money have been mentioned but try as they might they have yet to sign an effective understudy for Kane. Lamella's only recent contribution was getting kicked for a pen at Anfield. A long-term injury to Harry Kane would see them struggle.
50 Posted 13/02/2018 at 07:46:49
I agree with you entirely about needing a strong, pacy midfield general. Far too often our midfielders are too slow or too lazy to close down or track runners in behind. Dembele for me is one of the best central midfielders in the league, always rue not getting him when we were similarly positioned to Spurs.
51 Posted 13/02/2018 at 07:56:56
I totally agree with you, mate. A huge section of our fan base are embarrassing to listen to when it comes to the pathetic name and blame game regarding Sam Allardyce. Oh what short memories they have. We were virtually down before Allardyce took the job nobody else wanted.
I am not a big Allardyce fan but he is here and he is doing what he was brought in to do which is keep us safe from relegation. Nothing more, nothing less. How anyone can blame Allardyce for the Keane signing is beyond a joke.
Fat Sam, Big Head Sam, Big Horrid Sam.. Honestly, some of you sound like 10-year-old girls on the school playground.
52 Posted 13/02/2018 at 08:30:10
I completely agree. Dembele is a wonderful player. He's so graceful for such a powerful bloke. Great at carrying the ball too, which is something we haven't had in a long time.
The worst thing about our recent transfers is not the personnel lacking quality, it's the scattergun approach without any thought as to how we want to play the game.
Klaassen is the best example. How was he ever going to fit into a team with Rooney and Sigurdsson? He's not a cut-and-thrust player. He is a brilliant exponent of one-touch football. I honestly think he'd be a top player in the Man City team. Give him other players to buzz around him and I really think he'd be top class.
But he can't get a game. Instead we have Rooney drilling 60-yard cross-field balls to the opposition's left back 15 times a game.
The Mangala loan is a disgrace too, while I'm at it. We have centre-backs coming out of our ears. How can you sanction that loan when Martina is still plodding away at left-back.
I honestly hate Everton at the moment. Clueless.
53 Posted 13/02/2018 at 17:34:04
54 Posted 13/02/2018 at 20:44:42
I know where you are coming from on the Mangala loan, but the reason he may have been signed is that we are chronically slow and weak right through the center of the side, and especially at centre-half.
55 Posted 13/02/2018 at 22:48:13
Music to my ears. Yes, yes, yes. A manager who can coach each player to improve is the way forward. I'm sure the whole squad would be producing much improved performances with a good coach at the helm. I'm with you all the way.
I'm not an advocate of buying or selling until we really see what the players can do with a decent coach as a manager. Only then we will be able see where we need to strengthen. Then decide who should stay and who should go.
Let's face it, we have no idea of what some of our signings are even capable of. Many fans have written some off without even seeing them given a chance to play.
56 Posted 13/02/2018 at 23:44:08
57 Posted 13/02/2018 at 00:05:25
58 Posted 14/02/2018 at 09:33:52
Keane has been here just over half a season with crap managers and playing in a team that is playing like shite.
He's young, definitely got potential, and if we let him go, no doubt taking a financial hit as well, just watch him grow and develop with someone else. The lad cannot be labelled as crap and castigated on the evidence of this season. At the end of the day, who in our squad has increased their market value based on this season alone? Maybe Dominic Calvert-Lewin. I can't think of anyone else.
I'm praying for the 40 or 42 points or whatever we will need, let everyone relax a tad, look forward to Sam fucking off and regrouping before next season. With another new manager. Again. Please just get on with it because I am not getting any younger.
59 Posted 14/02/2018 at 10:10:27
Keane is a highly rated player and I expect him to succeed in the right environment. As for these newspaper reports, well does anyone believe what they read in the papers anymore?
60 Posted 14/02/2018 at 12:13:02
61 Posted 14/02/2018 at 14:12:16
Even his face annoys me.
62 Posted 14/02/2018 at 16:12:36
It will be difficult with the World Cup but it's not rocket science and Everton clearly need a strong left-back, a left-sided central defender, a creative central midfielder and another left-sided forward. Unfortunately a lot of clubs are after these players but Mr Walsh and his team need to focus as a priority in addressing these weak positions.
In parallel, there is a lot of offloading to be done with players out on loan, some of which should be sold and others reaching the twilight zone and needing to move on!
63 Posted 14/02/2018 at 21:40:15
64 Posted 14/02/2018 at 21:46:35
65 Posted 14/02/2018 at 22:05:13
We got Koeman, who bought Sandro, Klaassen, Sigurdsson Keane... That there says it all.
We need to get a manager who has total control over signings and we need to get rid of Walsh.
66 Posted 14/02/2018 at 22:08:48
67 Posted 14/02/2018 at 22:09:33
68 Posted 14/02/2018 at 22:32:36
I hear it's because his face annoys Alex.
69 Posted 14/02/2018 at 22:36:20
"I am not a big Allardyce fan", well then, it must have been a different Tony Marsh who repeatedly demanded he be appointed and who appears to take any criticism of Allardyce as a personal affront.
Finally, "Fat Sam. Bighead Sam, Big Horrid Sam. Honestly, some of you sound like 10-year-old girls on the school playground."
Truly priceless coming from someone responsible for some of the most appalling vindictive bile ever served up on this site. Tony, you've painted yourself into a corner with Allardyce and you are condemned to defend him till the day he is sacked.
70 Posted 14/02/2018 at 22:55:51
That's the scale of the summer debacle. If Moshiri hopes to avoid a repeat, I suggest he gets rid of everyone responsible, not just the public figure of a manager or two.
If he's sure it was all down to Koeman, and now Allardyce with reference to Tosun, then we'll no doubt see similar levels of expenditure this summer under another new manager, won't we?
Of course any action such as that would cause anyone to wonder why we have a chairman or DoF in the first place, wouldn't it?
71 Posted 14/02/2018 at 23:31:44
Until we get a settled defensive pairing, we will never know if Keane can go on to be the defender we signed and hoped for.
72 Posted 14/02/2018 at 23:45:55
"I'm not a big Allardyce fan" ... but you are one of his most ardent apologists.
I could understand your... err "embarrassment" if other Evertonians were blaming Allardyce for Keane's signing, but as I have never heard or seen anyone do it, I can't quite make out what it is that's embarrassing you?
Maybe it's the fact that people didn't realise that, when Sam took over, 13th place in mid-table was "virtually down" How could they not remember that?
Anyway, it's really touching to see you defend your boy (again) against allegations that were not even made. On Valentine's Day too...
73 Posted 15/02/2018 at 00:53:55
74 Posted 15/02/2018 at 01:21:37
Do Everton need him? I've got no idea no-one does, and I include those making our signings in that. We don't have any kind of defined style of play to decide whether a particular type of player fits in or not.
It's just random shopping. The very definition of hit and hope.
75 Posted 15/02/2018 at 04:35:46
The sheer hypocrisy of Tony's unfortunate hardly smart post is breathtaking and I have agreed with him and backed him up from time to time. Tony Marsh, of all ToffeeWebbers, having a dig at others who childishly and idiotically have the audacity to criticize EFC gaffers!!!!!!
As Andy quite rightly observes, Tony is twisted in unthinking and ironic knots about... erm, substantial Sam. Moyes, Martinez, Koeman.... fecking devils. Substantial Sam LOL the saviour, our rescuer, our knight in shining armour for our blue damsel, our international rescue.
Everton deffo going down! Grow up, Tony. That is the fallacy I hate. That we had to get Sam Allardyce in because otherwise we were dead ducks. In the elegant words of Mr Crooks 'bollocks'.
Anyone else remember Tony Marsh going backwards and forwards, digging huge holes?
"Get Sam Allardyce in; we're going down; he'll save us; he will. Honest; deffo, he will; we're 13th and toast; I don't really like him, but we're going down like the Titanic, deffo...."
Jesus, Tony Marsh.
76 Posted 15/02/2018 at 06:54:32
Before West Ham, we were 16th, after we were 13th.
2 wins moved us from 16th and sweating, to 10th, then 9th. Against my expectations we are now in a 'race' for 7th.
If Allardyce gets the team to stay at 9th, or jogs us on to 7th, he can say to Moshiri "Job done, mate, cash will do nicely thanks."
We will (should) say "Sort it out, Moshiri, don't EVER give us a season like that again."
For me, the key question is how much of the West Ham win was Allardyce responsible for?
In those Unsworth weeks, did Moshiri panic again, like after Arsenal? imo, yes. Could Unsworth have won those other 'expected wins'? We'll never know, but Allardyce did. Yes, we were garbage in our two 'expected losses' in London... in fact we were garbage the odd little gem-ette in a game excepted all season.
Over to you Moshiri... btw, not too many would moan if you start at the top like West Brom.
77 Posted 15/02/2018 at 07:31:24
We needed a squad for Europe but, aside from missing key positions, Koeman had the same level of management as Big Fat Sam has discipline to saying 'No' to money zero.
Let's get shot of this oaf and have someone assess those players not out on loan and work with Unsworth to see who's a possible, and where we need to strengthen.
78 Posted 15/02/2018 at 07:33:31
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