The EvertonThat website claims that they have heard from "a reputable club source" that Kenwright will end his Chairmanship before the end of March.
The rumour also states that CEO Robert Elstone and director Jon Woods could follow suit, with the implication being that both will also leave the board and, in Elstone's case, be replaced as Chief Executive.
Thus far, the suggestions are uncorroborated but have spread quickly on social media.
Original Source: evertonthat.com
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1 Posted 05/03/2018 at 20:17:15
2 Posted 05/03/2018 at 20:33:43
How reputable is that site?
3 Posted 05/03/2018 at 20:34:06
4 Posted 05/03/2018 at 20:45:23
5 Posted 05/03/2018 at 20:58:31
Ive heard plenty of grumbles from Kenwrights side of things. The EBM boys have postulated that often in takeovers there are way points were the old guard leave.
I want to believe it so much!!!
6 Posted 05/03/2018 at 21:51:29
7 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:19:33
He was a blue through and through and loved this club. What do you want instead?
8 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:19:44
9 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:21:06
10 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:21:28
Anyone know Jim White's mobile?
11 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:21:34
12 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:23:33
13 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:29:24
Things will have been going on in the background with regards to replacing Elstone, if it's true he's also moving on. This will now hopefully, be the time Moshiri takes full control, or even Usmanov decides to sell up at Arsenal and joins the club. We shall soon find out either way.
14 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:30:30
He may not make the decisions but I wouldn't mind having him around as a bit of a check and balance.
Say what you want about him but you won't find an Evertonian with more understanding of running a football club.
15 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:35:19
16 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:36:29
17 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:40:41
18 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:42:18
I believe that he always tried to do the best for the club, but maybe he didn't want to relinquish control of the club for selfish reasons we can never be sure.
I'd like him to remain on the board in the short term, but we do need a new more dynamic leader of the club. And I don't think that's Moshiri himself.
Things do need to change at the top and we need to become a more modern club, and this can only lead to that. His time was up a good few years ago. So this must be true. He's getting on now, and with his health issues, it's not fair to himself to be in he firing line.
All the best Bill, enjoy just being a fan again.
19 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:43:51
Let's move him and the likes of Jon Woods on and let Moshiri usher in a brave new blue dawn. The place is rotten at the moment and something's gotta give. Like Wenger at Arsenal, the club cannot move on with the current system.
The Premier League is a different world now no room for dinosaurs both in the dugout and in the directors box.
20 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:52:19
However, Everton Football Club during their tenure has been far away from the ambitious club that we wanted to see, whilst other rival clubs have soared away from us and more worryingly some which were never on the same level as Everton, have made plenty of ground up on us over the years.
I wrote a little while ago that it would have been far better if the new broom had swept clean upon its arrival, however, for whatever reason that didn't happen, and there has been an air of confusion surrounding the club in the last couple of years, which unfortunately has been replicated out on the pitch.
At least if the reports are correct, we'll know exactly who is responsible for decision making and who we should applaud or blame depending on the results of those decisions.
It might be worse or it might be better in the future without the stalwarts on board, but the club needs refreshing and it would seem that this is the right time for new blood to be brought into the club.
Should the rumour prove correct, we should thank each and all for their contribution over the years, even if we might have hoped for more from them whilst they were here, but if it is to be a new dawn, we do need a reset, and we can only hope that the new regime is successful and more importantly that they make winning football matches as the main aim of any decisions that they make.
21 Posted 05/03/2018 at 22:56:30
He has taken a lot of criticism along the lines of 'it's my train set', justified I agree, as his quest was for investment seemed to be dependent on the current set up with him as chairman. I am grateful that his dedication to the cause, meant that we avoided a lot of 'dubious' owners that caused other clubs to suffer and decline and he got an investor after a long search in the end that ticked all the boxes.
The lack of success in advancing the Commercial side of the business is damning. Up to recently, Everton shirts could not be bought in various markets where we could have flourished such as USA with Howard and Donovan, South Africa with Pienaar, Australia with Cahill, Ireland with Coleman etc etc, France with Schneiderlin even!!!
22 Posted 05/03/2018 at 23:08:52
It took a long time to find a buyer. When you look at some of the disasters that befell other clubs, then maybe that wasn't such a bad thing. If he does step down, all Blues should wish him well.
23 Posted 05/03/2018 at 23:10:25
24 Posted 05/03/2018 at 23:12:01
As stated above we need professional people running the club.
So long, thanks, but time to look forward.
25 Posted 05/03/2018 at 23:14:19
26 Posted 05/03/2018 at 23:25:52
27 Posted 05/03/2018 at 23:28:28
Personally, I hope the rumors are true and we will finally get rid of this Machiavellian schemer who has only ever lined his own pockets and satisfied his own ego while overseeing the worst period in Everton's history.
I can never forgive the King's Dock mess-up nor the Kirkby fiasco let alone the deceit that prevailed throughout his Coronation Street standard of operating the club.
The only statue that should be erected to him should be outside the old bank buildings, counting the £50 million he got without putting a penny into the club.
28 Posted 05/03/2018 at 23:28:32
Well Bill it is time to go, put your feet up and enjoy the rest of your days, out of the hustle and bustle of being a Chairman of a once great club. We are now a best of the rest type club, caught up and overtaken by a host of clubs who have got their act together, whilst we are currently going backwards.
That's the nice part of my post.
Now when you go, Bill, and I seriously wish you well, take the following with you:
Shakespeare (what does he do, other than sit in the stands talking to Allardyce)
The other hangers on brought in by Allardyce
Bring in the following, Mr Moshiri:
A proven manager (Fonseca, Conte)
A protege (Arteta)
A proven scout with international credibility, now known as a DoF, the name of the one touted recently escapes me.
Bring Lookman back.
Sort out the Onyekuru work permit saga and get him playing asap.
Give anyone in the current squad under 30 the chance to prove themselves.
Keep any over 30-year-olds that warrant their place.
Get shot of the bench warmers, who don't fight for their place and take the money.
It won't happen overnight, but act now and I'm sure most of us would accept that next season is the time to start looking up rather than looking down, with a complete change at the top (excluding Moshiri), a more attack minded philosophy, built on the base of a solid defence.
29 Posted 05/03/2018 at 23:28:54
The plan, to paraphrase his own later words, was to find a wealthy owner who had the best interests of the club at heart. It took him until 2016 to find Moshiri, not a wealthy man in comparison to about half the club owners in the Premier League, but a man willing to pay £70+million to Kenwright personally when he bought in. Ker'ching!
In the meantime he'd got into bed with, in his own words again, "The Mozart of Money" Philip Green, among others, and we've been fannied about for what will soon be over 20 years trying and failing, but always failing it's become the Everton way, to secure funding and permission for a new stadium.
Credit where it's due, he appointed Moyesy when we really needed him to salvage us from Walter Smith, who was appointed on his watch by the way, but then hung onto Moyes even after being fully complicit in his transfer to Man Utd halfway through his last season as our supposed manager.
He then appointed "What? A manager??!!!!" and any ex-player that'd made a total bollocks of their lives who came begging to work on the coaching staff.
Still, with only £70mill plus in his personal bank account(s) on account of all the stress and pressure he's endured/caused, who on earth would have done a better job than him, I suppose?
Give me strength!
30 Posted 05/03/2018 at 23:42:18
Knows what he wants and goes out and gets it, and improves the club on and off the field, season after season. Progress, always progress. No standing still admiring the history a club / team is only as good as the previous season, not what it used to be 20, 30, 40 years ago.
31 Posted 05/03/2018 at 23:49:43
Bill is not a legend and he has done very well financially whilst running this club. If anyone believes his tripe about not taking a penny out of our club, I actually feel sorry for you. Can there be anyone naive enough to believe blue Bill.
I for one, if true, can't wait as he has been a poison long enough at our club. Good riddance and no I won't wish him luck as all the millions he has collected from the paying fans will make sure he leaves a very happy man. Goodbye; close the door on the way out.
32 Posted 05/03/2018 at 23:57:13
Bill Kenwright said a lot of daft things.
Bill Kenwright could be extremely annoying and frustrating.
Yet, I have not the slightest doubt, that, had he not come along when he did, Everton Football Club would have been relegated, at least once. For, at least, avoiding relegation, if for nothing else, he should be commended.
33 Posted 06/03/2018 at 00:05:53
34 Posted 06/03/2018 at 00:11:26
Why in the world would we have been relegated but for Kenwright?
35 Posted 06/03/2018 at 00:22:26
36 Posted 06/03/2018 at 00:24:16
The man has bullshitted right through his tenure. I really hope this is true but being an Evertonian I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was just internet trash. I don't think we are this lucky.
37 Posted 05/03/2018 at 00:29:46
He sounded well enough on his Radio 2 programme last Tuesday night, so thankfully it doesn't appear that ill health is the reason for his impending departure.
Despite many years of criticising him on this site, I wish him well for the future. However, I find it difficult to forgive the years of mediocrity that we had to endure under his stewardship and the avoidance of relegation during his watch was pure good fortune.
38 Posted 06/03/2018 at 00:35:03
Moshiri hasn't made any mistakes yet has he? I imagine it's not quite as easy to run a football club as some think. But then we have so many experts on here who have opinions on everything and have all the answers. Oh to be so wise.
Good post, Steve Ferns (#11).
39 Posted 06/03/2018 at 00:42:37
"My god"... Goodbye and good riddance!!
40 Posted 06/03/2018 at 00:43:22
Please god give us a break I think we are due one or two?
41 Posted 06/03/2018 at 01:04:06
It's very easy to criticise, and we've had plenty to criticise. It's much harder to actually step up and try to make a difference, especially when your shortcomings make you unpopular.
Who else had put their hand up? Who else was fighting for their club? There must be other Evertonian millionaires out there? Are they better or worse than Bill for staying away?
Not for one second will I call his ownership a success, it's been a long way from that. But when we needed someone, he stepped forward. He at least did that.
42 Posted 06/03/2018 at 01:29:44
Every time I look at the Echo Arena, I could cry. "The money is ring-fenced", "The cheque is in the post." The Arteta money. Phillip Green and the offshore payments the man has milked this club for years and then gets £70M as a bonus.
Do me a favour – he should have been run out of Goodison Park and Finch Farm on the lawnmowers Arteta paid for. He is a joke but has made a fortune out of Everton.
When the pressure was really on, he suddenly became ill and was dying; he is a charlatan of the first order. Good riddance He is worse than Thatcher, at least you knew what she was about.
43 Posted 06/03/2018 at 01:38:59
But when there is plenty of the stuff, Everton did not have the manager to spend it properly. That's why Everton are now in a mess.
44 Posted 06/03/2018 at 01:40:17
Sorry, but I have only dislike for this phoney who did nothing but allowed us to shrink to being a minnow in the Premier League. He clung on way too long for any credibility.
45 Posted 06/03/2018 at 01:50:59
I'm not going to excuse the Fortress Sports Fund, Kings Dock, and some of the awful sound bites... but, at the end of the day, he gets my respect, and deserves to concentrate on his health and life beyond the Everton boardroom. I would hope most fans would agree.
46 Posted 06/03/2018 at 02:13:45
47 Posted 06/03/2018 at 02:47:29
48 Posted 06/03/2018 at 02:54:06
The health scare only came about because he was under pressure because of his lies.
The guys who bought Man City wanted to buy Everton. But they wanted rid of Bill so he wouldn't sell.
I can't wait for him to be gone.
49 Posted 06/03/2018 at 03:03:26
And if you think he comes out badly in comparison to Thatcher I don't know how to help you.
If he gets a return on his investment them good for him. It was him that invested his money into Everton. It could have been earning elsewhere - the return will be entirely justified.
50 Posted 06/03/2018 at 03:34:44
There's no way he should be anywhere near running the club, he should of been locked "ring-fenced" in the Boys Pen.
The club should be run by businessmen which I feel confident it will be in the near future.
If this is all true, then we should bid him a farewell. Unfortunately, his legacy has been poor, he just didn't have the money, did he.. A millionaire in a billionaire's playground.
He did live the dream and owned his boyhood club only stuff the rest of us can dream about.
51 Posted 06/03/2018 at 04:31:27
Would you care to explain how he invested "his" money.
He certainly did not remortgage his house, which was one false rumour he spread, and it was only worth £1 million at the time anyway.
One day we might discover where the other £20 odd million came from and why the club was skint from the first year he took over.
52 Posted 06/03/2018 at 05:22:50
I hope these suggestions a re tongue-in-cheek, not least because there are far more deserving legends and icons.
The Golden Vision Arena has a nice ring about it, whilst Alan Ball and Howard Kendall should merit statues alongside Dixie, surely?
53 Posted 06/03/2018 at 06:16:04
Kenwright should have stood down 10 years ago. The club have been flat-lining with him at the helm. His blue-tinted spectacles are often a hindrance to being progressive as a club.
That said, fans can have short memories regarding the good things he has brought. He gave us some stability at a time when we needed it. Most importantly, he wouldn't sell to just any fly-by-night buyer trying to screw the club. In Moshiri, this was the best buyer he could get at that time.
On top of that, he is one of us, he wants what is best for the club too. Some respect is due, along with best wishes and good health for the future.
54 Posted 06/03/2018 at 07:19:00
I hope it will be a progressive, enlightened time for the club. I, for one, am tired of us being mediocre.
I hope he can wake the giant.
55 Posted 06/03/2018 at 07:31:09
A month of reminiscing. Ending with a tearful Bill, on a carefully scripted day, appearing on the big screens at Goodison.
He's played the fans from Day One; he won't stop now.
56 Posted 06/03/2018 at 08:06:55
57 Posted 06/03/2018 at 08:20:26
When he does leave, it will be interesting to see what, if anything, he gives back to the Club from the multi-millions he's profited out of a zero input.
58 Posted 06/03/2018 at 08:28:25
After only 52 posts on only the possibility of Kenwright and the other two stooges being mined out of our club after all this time, we see how many acolytes come out of the woodwork to still support the 'arl Arse... and I have no doubt, judging by the present ratio, there will be a fair few more.
To 'those' people, I can only assume you all simply didn't read enough of the many posts on this and other decent-sized sites over the years by dedicated fans, including The Guardian article(s) re Phillip Green and others. Fans and journalists who did a hell of a lot of research during and after the multitude of projects, rumours and sheer lack of funds, the banning of AGMs for years because of fans questioning the many bad decisions by the fuckers et cetra and ad infinitum.
One of the most truly unbelievable scenarios out of these years (to pick just one) is how any pro-Kenwright drones could've not questioned why we had a board member (Robert Earl) who was worth half a billion yes, half a billion dollars, and when we were struggling with trying to buy players (Manny Fernandes, Yakubu, and a galaxy of others that our brilliant scout Mick Doherty picked out), he never put his fuckin hand in his pocket to help???
The same slimey bastard who only came to Goodison once, and only to promote Stallone's film. ("Hey go Everton"... Spew!) That geezer took £30 million in profit when 'Blue Diamond' found our saviour...
Betty's son Gordon all set to sell to the Manc in a bedsit;
● Hocked the season tickets for 28 years
● Put Finch Farm in hock
● Told Paul Gregg he can have his loan money back, it's his toy so fuck Kings Dock!
● Asked Wayne to come back "Boo hoo" when he's fucked in 15 years.
● Turns the music up in the Gwladys Street cos the fans are getting at him...
Meanwhile, all the while, the clubs above us all built their 'Romes'. Yeah, so all you Blue Billers, you just keep his "myth" alive and maybe the rest of us will erect a special plaque to you lot with this epitaph:
"We believed in you, Bill. Like so many others" Sheesh!!!
59 Posted 06/03/2018 at 08:30:24
I for one am careful what I whish for. Hell, I wanted Ronald Koeman as our manager after Martinez and he proved to be utterly atrocious. My heart goes out to Bill. We cannot fault the love he has for our club and I am very sure that he must be very unhappy with the goings on of the last two years. I hope we will see him in the stands until the day he leaves this world.
60 Posted 06/03/2018 at 08:32:16
As Everton always disappoint me, I'm not getting my hopes up too high.
61 Posted 06/03/2018 at 08:32:31
62 Posted 06/03/2018 at 08:39:30
63 Posted 06/03/2018 at 08:44:10
So you expected donations? Is that what investing means? How much did you donate?
Of course they could have pumped money into the club. I'm not sure I would have done the place looked like a shambles to me.
Jay... I'm pretty sure he did invest his money. If he didn't, well he won't be getting any return will he? That was the point I was responding to. You can't have it both ways you can't complain he'll be cashing out while complaining he put nothing in. It's basic stuff. He either tied up cash in an appreciating asset or he didn't.
You don't need to like him. You don't need to rate the era we've had with him. But let's engage our brains when we post, hey?
64 Posted 06/03/2018 at 08:48:02
Time will tell but it could be the move into the Liver Buildings is seen as a catalyst for a fresh start. Hopefully if what will be done, will be done in the right manner.
A life time of false dawns and rumours with EFC means I'll be watching and waiting, to see if there's any substance in this rumour.
65 Posted 06/03/2018 at 08:56:09
66 Posted 06/03/2018 at 08:58:34
We could end up with a club that is a shambles off the pitch, playing in a crumbling stadium. The team could end up being full of players using their tenure as a pension, managed and coached by a bunch of old pals. We could end up staring relegation in the face or worse.
We could end up with a chairperson who didn't even know what the Boys Pen was!
67 Posted 06/03/2018 at 09:05:39
68 Posted 06/03/2018 at 09:18:46
69 Posted 06/03/2018 at 09:22:41
He turned down both Kings Dock and Sheikh Mansour rather than relinquish his chairmanship. He appointed two championship managers and did nothing to one of the oldest grounds in the PL for us entire twenty years.
He has been an absolute disgrace. Good riddance.
70 Posted 06/03/2018 at 09:23:06
71 Posted 06/03/2018 at 09:35:10
I for one wish him well if this is true and would also like to commend Steve Ferns (#11) for his post. Well posted, Steve.
72 Posted 06/03/2018 at 09:37:22
I donated 24 years and counting of season tickets. He bought the club for ~£20M and was offered £240M by Sheikh Mansour in 2004-05 and fucked him off.
Then he made £20-50 mill off back of Moshiri. Meanwhile, he accrued debts via interest repayments of well over £80M.
Do the Maths, old son. But more importantly study the posts from informed people like myself and others.
73 Posted 06/03/2018 at 10:09:24
This season has been a complete shambles and I guess like many others we can read between the lines to guess who supported and who opposed Allardyce's appointment – one side with an eye on survival and another on a different approach. Silva was a compromise figure. Could easily end up with three managerial changes and another for the start of next year. A sensible time for Kenwright to leave, sad to go out at a low point. A fresh start is needed.
74 Posted 06/03/2018 at 10:29:43
Now who is going to blub and wipe tears from their eyes in the Directors Box after winning an away game, any offers?
75 Posted 06/03/2018 at 10:43:13
The man is very respected in the game, by his peers and his array of former Managers (couldn't care less about the current incumbent). He's also a self made man, so doesn't add up that he's the inept numskull that many on here make him out to be.
I guess we'll have to wait for the book to see the true stories behind the Kings Dock and if the Man City Sheikh did actually make it to the offer stage for the Club (which I personally have seen no evidence - just optimistic speculation).
76 Posted 06/03/2018 at 10:54:45
Don't believe every rumour you hear, whether it be about Wenger arriving or Kenwright leaving.
As for the Sheikh trying to buy us, being told No and moving on to Man City... come on kids, you can do better than that.
If you want to have a go at Kenwright, crack on, but as for the Sheikh story, does anyone have any actual evidence of this?
77 Posted 06/03/2018 at 11:29:51
His mistake was to allow Moyes to develop a glass ceiling for too long. Martinez was a good idea, initially showing what could done to break the glass ceiling. But eventually the inconsistencies of our defensive players emerged from the Moyes era. Also he ignored Martinez's poor defensive tactics at Wigan.
He got us a much needed investor. If he had anything to do with the poorly researched appointment of Koeman or the signing of Rooney, he should have been shot. I don't think he agreed to the appointment of Allardyce.
Overall, a good Evertonian and always tried his best for the club. Good Luck in your retirement, Bill, and hopefully watching Everton will become more pleasurable and improve. You could become a ToffeeWeb contributor and get your own back!!!!
78 Posted 06/03/2018 at 11:30:06
Kenwright, Woods, Elstone and Walsh out. The first team management team removing and the half arsed players moved on.
There has been some appalling decisions in the last few years (and a lot further beyond to be perfectly honest). If it truly is to be a new dawn, then the past needs removing.
79 Posted 06/03/2018 at 11:31:31
His reaction was a strong 'it's not my decision' and, whatever charges you can levy against him over the years, he would never in a million years have countenanced the appointment of the alien and his cronies.
Moshiri may have money but from what we have seen up to now I don't there is anything else to commend him. Kenwright clearly no longer has any power so I suppose, whether or not he steps down from his titular role, will not make any difference.
80 Posted 06/03/2018 at 11:34:15
Nothing lasts forever and Bill has had his time in the limelight, playing with his toy. He has pocketed a few bob for his efforts and the club are still here, still in the Premier League with possibly a good future ahead.
Things could be better but could also be a lot worse.
81 Posted 06/03/2018 at 11:39:00
Everton chairman Kenwright says Toffees could have enticed City's owners By Sportsmail Reporter Updated: 17:18, 5 October 2011
Everton chairman Bill Kenwright claims the club could have been taken over by the Abu Dhabi group who purchased Manchester City if plans for a new stadium had been in place.
Everton, meanwhile, have operated on a limited budget and the prospect of them either moving to a new ground or redeveloping Goodison Park does not appear to be any closer.
Their home game against Aston Villa last month was preceded by a peaceful protest involving several hundred Toffees supporters frustrated at the lack of progress in finding a buyer for the Merseyside outfit.
Kenwright has often stated his desire to bring in new investors, and in a BBC interview with former Liverpool managing director Christian Purslow who was with the Reds during their takeover by Fenway Sports Group last term the 66-year-old has suggested Mansour's money may have headed Everton's way if they had had an approved stadium project.
'I know for a fact that you met a lot of individuals who said they had the money to buy Liverpool Football Club, and I think I have met 10 times as many people as you met,' Kenwright told Purslow.
'I have to say, some of them were good and I thought we had a big chance.
'The main thing that has happened in the last three years is the recession, and football is a trophy asset more than anything.
'You do not buy a football club to make money, believe me - I'm living proof of that.
'All I can tell you is that there are various scenarios. It is a two-football-club city, it is not the capital and there is not huge, huge money in the world.
'Of course, you can throw Manchester City at me. But Manchester City had the stadium situation and there was a lot of what I believe was lucky manoeuvring going on there - not underhand at all, but lucky manoeuvring.'
Asked if he thought the Abu Dhabi group might have bought Everton rather than City if the Toffees had had a new stadium or plan for one, Kenwright said: 'And if I had been in the right place at the right time - which was very, very important to that deal, because I know about that deal - then yes.'
Kenwright insists the majority of Everton fans have been understanding about the club's predicament.
'If you walked over to my desk right now and I showed you some of the mail I get, it's humbling,' he said.
'In the main, there is a lot of logic and understanding there, and pride Evertonians have a lot of pride in the way their club is run, but there is always a discordant note in every symphony.
'There shouldn't be, but there is in football.'
Kenwright also stressed it was not strong enough to say he would 'like' to sell the club to someone with greater funds, offering 'need' and 'love' as more appropriate terms.
82 Posted 06/03/2018 at 11:40:17
I shrugged it off when I first heard it; now it appears it might have some truth to it.
83 Posted 06/03/2018 at 11:41:09
"If you want to have a go at Kenwright crack on, but as for the Sheikh story, does anyone have any actual evidence of this?"
How about from Kenwright himself? Will that do... kid?
84 Posted 06/03/2018 at 11:45:38
So it wasn't that the Sheikh was told "No", so much as he wasn't interested as there was no new stadium?
85 Posted 06/03/2018 at 12:30:20
There are many blaming him for all sorts of things from the failure to get the Stadium built at the Kings Dock. Then trying to move us to Kirkby with the help of Terry Leahy and Tesco. Also turning down Mansour's money. Also, he is blamed for Everton being without a trophy during his tenure. Also the involvement of Green and Earl.
Now we only know what we read about some of the misgivings some fans have of Kenwright. The Kings Dock was a sad mistake at not getting it, but I remember reading that Paul Gregg was willing to put up the £30 million, but only on the understanding that he, for his own personal gain, could put concerts and all manner of events there. Now whether that was a step to far... I don't know.
I would just remind people that, according to Freddie Shephard the Chairman of Newcastle, it was Paul Gregg who told him to bid for Rooney because financially Everton were desperate for cash. So Newcastle made a bid which made Man Utd put in their offer. Alex Ferguson said that he would not have made a move for Rooney for another 12 months but had to bid or lose him to Newcastle.
I think the Kirkby bid was ill thought out, but a club who the banks wouldn't lend a penny too were desperate at looking at ways to move to a new ground that would produce extra revenue. I also think it was the banks' reluctance to lend Everton money that made Kenwright ask for help from Earl to buy Gregg's shares, and for Green to lend the club money.
Now I think you have to realize the position Everton were in there wasn't any bank that would lend them money, so he either had to say to Moyes, "We need to sell most of our decent players and there will be no money to replace them"... or go to the likes of Green for loans to keep the club going.
I think some have already described why Mansour didn't pick Everton ahead of Man City. They had a new stadium, paid for by the taxpayers for the Commonwealth Games. So Mansour thought: "Why take over a club where I will have to build a new stadium which will take time?" Where Man City have a new stadium and all the money can be used to buy players and have an immediate impact.
So yes, there were some mistakes and some good things but it seems some posters think all of our problems were because of Kenwright and I don't think they were.
Finally, another poster said "I wish we had Daniel Levy as chairman, the man who appointed 10 managers so far in his 18 years, consisting of David Pleat, Jacques Santini, Juande Ramos, Clive Allen." Maybe not.
86 Posted 06/03/2018 at 12:32:24
So, chaps, if I'm reading your horse's mouth scoops correct, at no point did Kenwright turn the Sheikh down.
Man City were bought as they had a new ground already paid for and we didn't. Hmmmm... I wonder why he chose them and not us.
If you want to blame Kenwright for the fact we didn't have a new ground, then that is a separate issue altogether.
87 Posted 06/03/2018 at 12:34:19
88 Posted 06/03/2018 at 12:34:50
89 Posted 06/03/2018 at 12:41:16
While I would like it to be true, it certainly would indicate a clearing of deadwood from the higher echelons of EFC.
Funnily, there has been no mention of Walsh, getting the Order of the Boot, which needs to be executed asap before he can do any more damage in the transfer market.
90 Posted 06/03/2018 at 13:05:01
On 16 June 2006, it was announced that Everton had entered into talks with the Knowsley Council and Tesco over the possibility of building a new 55,000-seat stadium. That particular failed project was rejected by a Government Inquiry in November 2009. Although the Government inquiry was called on 6 August 2008.
By 2008, the club [Manchester City] was in a financially precarious position. Thaksin Shinawatra had taken control of the club a year before, but his political travails saw his assets frozen. Then, in August 2008, the club was purchased by the Abu Dhabi United Group.
Typical Everton... so close, yet so far away.
91 Posted 06/03/2018 at 13:06:57
I don't for a moment imagine Kenwright, both as a fan and a businessman, could be enthused by our latest manager landing the job. Indeed, if the Allardyce decision is a reflection of Moshiri's footballing judgement then I certainly don't have a sense of unbridled optimism.
If this is the future, then we can drop Nil Satis and replace it with the 'price of everything and the value of nothing'... but, there again, there are so many other clubs of which you could say the same.
92 Posted 06/03/2018 at 13:10:53
93 Posted 06/03/2018 at 13:12:39
I don't think it's out of the question to have something named after him. There must be a few people who would jump at the chance to relieve themselves in the Kenwright Khazi at half-time.
94 Posted 06/03/2018 at 13:23:22
95 Posted 06/03/2018 at 13:32:38
Bill Kenwright has pledged to step up his search for a billionaire – after he admitted a move to Kirkby is the only viable option to solve Everton's stadium dilemma. Speaking at last night's extraordinary general meeting, Everton's chairman highlighted the annual summer battle he faces to provide a substantial transfer kitty for David Moyes and revealed that the club cannot continue to operate in such a way.
In an emotional speech, Kenwright said he would have no hesitation in stepping aside if a suitable buyer came along, and Keith Harris – the banker whose Seymour Price firm brokered Randy Lerner's purchase of Aston Villa in July 2006 – is seeking investment for the Blues. If, however, that investment does not come along, Kenwright is adamant that Destination Kirkby is the only attractive proposition for Everton, even though his heart would love nothing more than to see Goodison redeveloped.
“This summer has been the worst I have ever known in the transfer market,” said Kenwright.
“But it is going to get worse and worse. The Arabs buying Manchester City will make things all the more difficult for a club like Everton.
... “I'm a pauper when it comes to other chairmen. A total pauper... I cannot go on like this. We need a new owner and we will continue to try to find one.”
Evertonians cast long, envious glances towards Manchester City on Monday when they were taken over by Abu Dhabi United Development Group and Kenwright would love nothing more than to step aside for a similar group.
“I would like the club to have a billionaire who could support David Moyes with more money,” said Kenwright.
“I don't want to be the chairman that takes this club to Kirkby and I didn't want to sell Wayne Rooney. But I am and I probably will be.
“I do not want to be here next year. I don't want to be standing in front of you saying ‘it's been another tough season' and ‘I don't know where the money is'. I want you (shareholders and supporters) to have everything you want, which is a billionaire.
“Whether it is a Sheikh, whether it is a Russian, an American, whether it is any one of the 14 or 15 people I have met in the last 12 months. I want to give you that. I want you to give that billionaire to every single one of you. I would sell tomorrow.
“We believe that there is no other financially available option in Liverpool,” said Elstone.
“We have been offered only two other sites in the city, and they were not viable. If we try to develop Goodison Park, we will have to revise our club budget and expectation.” “This club has always punched above it's weight with a great manager in control.
It is unwise to continue to rely on that to be successful as a football club. There have been several sites over 12 years of searching, from Kirkby golf club, the King's Dock, Scotland Road and now Kirkby.
“But there is no site in the city. Liverpool FC have been looking, Tesco has been looking at us. There is nowhere. It will cost £230m to rebuild Goodison Park, and that is not viable. The board will not put this club at risk and we retain our commitment to Kirkby.”
A motion to end the exclusivity agreement with Knowsley Borough Council and Tesco over the Kirkby plans, plus a demand to re-consider development of Goodison Park, or find a new site in the city, was defeated on a card vote that ensured the club's major shareholders, including Kenwright, would prevail.
The voting was 622 in favour of the motion and 26,553 against, 97.71% of the votes. Kenwright, however, did pave the way for future discussions with Liverpool City Council when he invited council leader Warren Bradley and Labour leader Joe Anderson, both of whom spoke at the meeting – to come up with a workable proposal for a new stadium in the city boundaries.
Same play slightly changed cast?
96 Posted 06/03/2018 at 13:34:59
97 Posted 06/03/2018 at 14:20:40
98 Posted 06/03/2018 at 15:02:44
The most disastrous appointment ever was Martinez made by your eminence Bill.
Bill was also the presiding chairman over the appointments of Koeman and Allardyce. Once his disruptive influence is out of the boardroom, we will then be able to guage how good or bad Moshiri is for the club.
99 Posted 06/03/2018 at 15:04:00
100 Posted 06/03/2018 at 15:15:21
101 Posted 06/03/2018 at 15:30:04
102 Posted 06/03/2018 at 15:48:43
Some's a lot of fans up really. Their idea of a great appointment is a plodding donkey who just try's to accumulate a 'respectable' total of points playing totally abysmal football.
103 Posted 06/03/2018 at 16:33:48
Once Kenwright became majority shareholder at Everton he stated that he was totally skint. He would therefore act as caretaker until a rich benefactor could be found. Unfortunately, the selling process took around 20 years. Why? Because he and his advisers overvalued the club. Remember this was a club left with no assets other than a decaying stadium, the players and an illustrious history.
Everton once dubbed the Bank of England had been leading a hand to mouth existence in the Premiership league. Kenwright got lucky on Walter Smith's say so by appointing a young, savvy manager in David Moyes. Moyes saved Kenwright's ass over many seasons by buying and selling shrewdly in transfer market until he too began to get stale.
After years of austerity, player asset sales and managed decline Kenwright somehow stumbled upon Farhad Moshiri. Salvation or so we thought! But since Moshiri's arrival the club has been spending money on players like a drunken sailor with no stratagem in place for proper team building.
Was it Kenwright or Moshiri who brought the ageing Rooney back to the club? Were the decidedly average Bolasie, Schneiderlin and Williams, Koeman purchases? Who bought Sigurdsson Klaassen, Keane, Martina, Vlasic and Ramirez, was it Koeman or Walsh? Were Tosun and Mangala recommendations made to the board by manager Allardyce or scout, sorry, Director of Football Walsh?
If Kenwright goes now rather than later it is in my view to try protect his assets and investment return with the threat of relegation looming, if not this season certainly next.
104 Posted 06/03/2018 at 16:53:59
105 Posted 06/03/2018 at 17:02:04
I could be wrong but past dealings make me sceptical that Bill will hold on as long as he can, or at least until the stadium is in place.
106 Posted 06/03/2018 at 17:13:53
Then he sought out a sugar-daddy and (after years of searching) found one with staying power. We are not Sunderland or Aston Villa and we could so easily have been if Bill had listened to the first billionaire to come along.
Since he relinquished control the managerial merry-go-round has become a farce and the club has become embarrassing. I don't think that is a coincidence and I am slightly worried about him stepping back completely.
Whatever happens I would like to place on record my personal gratitude for what Bill has done and for who Bill is.
107 Posted 06/03/2018 at 17:22:52
The devil's always in the detail.
108 Posted 06/03/2018 at 17:33:17
He even cancelled the AGMs to silence the fans because of the fans' views at previous meetings. Any decent player we got, we sold off for a profit, allowing further players to be bought.
If anyone saved this club, it was David Moyes. For years, he bought some great talent, most of it being sold on for a huge profit, he got the team playing as a unit. We can all look at his defeatist big club opponents attitude, but other teams around us, his team at least turned up and sent them packing with their tail between their legs. He had the team fighting for 90 mins, defeat was not an option and very rarely did Everton players heads go down.
Just my opinion but I cannot see what others see what Kenwright has done for this club in the 20-odd years he has been here.
109 Posted 06/03/2018 at 17:35:17
I hope Bill's ego doesn't get in the way of stepping down or sideways because of the possibility of Bramley-Moore, etc.
Surely he wouldn't embarrass himself after 3 ground moves, numerous transfer and marketing fiascos? As the Blue Union chant went: "Stand down if you love the Blues."
110 Posted 06/03/2018 at 17:47:09
111 Posted 06/03/2018 at 17:49:24
Kenwright did appoint Moyes, yes. But it has become clear that the relationship became counter productive at some stage, as Kenwright never imposed any ambition on his manager, and his manager never mentioned the chairman's inability to provide the extra firepower to push the club over the top.
This ccosy relationship lined both men's pockets – through Moyes handsome remuneration and Kenwright's ability to maintain control of a rapidly rising asset, at least in nominal value, without having to raise any funds of his own. But it did not lead to success on the pitch. And it did not force the club to improve it's laughable commercial operations either.
Instead, the club operated through the early Kenwright years on the bones of its arse. I suggest the Kejian sponsorship first year, the consequent use of Li Tie as a first team player, and the subsequent sale of Wayne Rooney as evidence of the debt burden the club operated under Kenwright's stewardship. Oh and selling Finch Farm etc.
A rising tide lifts all boats and the sheer weight of TV money to other income ratio that engulfed all Premier League clubs lifted ours. This is why he was able to hold on as long as he did to get the price he did when he finally sold the club.
Under his reign, Leicester broke through, and with a team that didn't seem all that much better than some of Moyes better squads. There were a few January windows where we were short a player or two for a real push at a tight league and never got them. Riquelme seen at John Lennon Airport. That's the ephitet of the Kenwright years.
112 Posted 06/03/2018 at 17:56:57
Kenwright did “play” the role of Club Chairman perhaps his greatest actorly performance. But, as far as I'm aware, he put none of his own money into the club, save his share purchase. However, he did waive any appearance fee(s) for which we should be eternally thankful!
113 Posted 06/03/2018 at 18:10:33
114 Posted 06/03/2018 at 18:12:56
He would leave us in deep transition, a decent coach away from being a good side. We have some good players but generally a woeful team.
I thank Bill for always having his heart in the right place when it came to Everton. When things were not great, he would lay on the baloney but he never ever hid.
In spite of this most miserable of all seasons he has left us as a club in a better position to eventually break into the Premier League elite than we have been for years. I'm convinced that we will get there hopefully we are now at our lowest ebb so there is only one way to go.
115 Posted 06/03/2018 at 18:18:22
Joking aside, and indeed football aside, he is an Evertonian and I personally would wish him good health, and a long life regardless of anything that's gone before.
He eventually found an owner, and whether or not he used the club in the right way in the past is neither here nor there anymore. Yeah he made loads of mistakes, but I've made plenty of those in my life as well we need to modernise and look forward as a club and Kenwright stepping down is another step in the right direction for plucky, stuffy old Everton.
116 Posted 06/03/2018 at 18:25:47
Care to enlighten us as to the dangers that we must be aware of? Please explain.
117 Posted 06/03/2018 at 18:36:41
118 Posted 06/03/2018 at 18:37:30
119 Posted 06/03/2018 at 18:52:56
120 Posted 06/03/2018 at 19:03:16
We've been seeing that on here for years.
121 Posted 06/03/2018 at 19:07:18
What's going to happen when Boys Pen Bill leaves? Will the rivers run red? Will the sun go black? Will animals begin to talk?
It'll be fine as it can't get any worse. Can it?
122 Posted 06/03/2018 at 19:34:20
It's been emotional.
123 Posted 06/03/2018 at 19:39:42
Gentlemen, I know Kenwright has not been the greatest chairman the world has ever seen. But, the guy does deserve a bit of respect. Let's face it, we could've had Hicks and Gillette... or worse the Venkys. A change of leadership at the top does not guarantee success.
Please don't come back with the counter argument that we have had none under Kenwright, King's Dock etc. It is possible that, without him, may well have found ourselves in a much worse position than we're in now. Hard to imagine, I know.
124 Posted 06/03/2018 at 19:41:37
125 Posted 06/03/2018 at 19:52:11
My feelings on Kenwright and Co should be well known to many readers on here so I will not retell my reasons for not looking kindly on his stewardship, albeit to say there are still many (far too many) who still believe he is an honest fan with the best interests of the club at heart. At best he is an amateur in a cut-throat business; at worst he is a manipulating entrepreneur concerned only with his own wealth generation. Truth is probably somewhere in between.
But one thing is clear, his day is done, and the club has to rekindle its faith with its supporters, find the passion in its objectives, inspire desire to succeed on the field and bring pride to the blue half of the city.
I hope the rumour is well founded, I hope Moshiri has the ability to find competent commercial management to run the club well, can find a manager with passion and desire (and hunger) to fashion a team we all can be proud of.
126 Posted 06/03/2018 at 19:55:20
127 Posted 06/03/2018 at 20:13:15
The only Evertonian who has probably had a ball these last 20-odd years, is the man who never took a wage, but earned an absolute fortune?
"The master makes the rules, for the wisemen and the fools" sang Dylan, and this is what I will always feel about Kenwright, who played a great game “for himself”.
128 Posted 06/03/2018 at 20:16:53
Back on topic, could someone please explain how Bill "saved" us from Peter Johnson?
For the record, Bill inherited a net asset position and, due to a suspected leveraged buyout, nearly bankrupted the club over the next few years by selling or mortgaging all of our assets like Bellefield, Netherton, Goodison, selling Rooney for half the price he "wouldn't sell him for".
"Other operating costs" went from £1M to £20M a year which was apparently to buy lawnmowers for Finch Farm. Looks like we've been buying them every year ever since.
Although Peter Johnson was reviled he did at least put his own money up and was the last person to develop GP i.e. the Park End.
Bill has never put a penny of his own money into the club, even after his windfall from Moshiri. So much for him caring about the club.
I also get the feeling he is behind the unrest at the club which is the same stunt he pulled with Paul Gregg.
129 Posted 06/03/2018 at 20:18:11
"You do not buy a football club to make money, believe me – I'm living proof of that." (See #81 above.)
So far, £24M and counting... That's in return for only 53% of his Everton shares. Less whatever the initial outlay, mortgage payoff, return to Sir Phillip Green, etc.
Why does he have to lie so blatantly? I guess once you know you can, with zero consequences, there's no way of stopping.
130 Posted 06/03/2018 at 20:24:20
Just saying, plus the Red Echo and usual rags haven't run with this yet.
As others have warned, be careful what you wish for.
131 Posted 06/03/2018 at 20:36:03
132 Posted 06/03/2018 at 20:40:52
At the risk of prompting another mad diatribe, can I ask where did you get that £240M figure from? Seems awfully high...
133 Posted 06/03/2018 at 20:43:04
Mr Kenwright has been very honest in his financial might amongst the heavyweights. Keeping the club in the top flight was probably all we were going to achieve with our finances. Top seven or better was over achieving. Mistakes have been made but tell me a owner, manager or leader that hasn't made bad decisions.
I do believe the intention was to do good on behalf of the club. Mr Kenwright has been loyal to managers and not strong with those not as loyal in return. Made previous players and managers feel welcome and provided employment with the club. The community input by the club is there to see. Mr Kenwright has improved, educated, and given hope to youngsters in the area of Everton.
Mr Kenwright has promoted Everton Football Club in doing good for causes, charities outside of Liverpool and within. His heart is Everton and love is Everton. This may have been his biggest mistake. Can you support a club and be a owner. It's like family working together. It's very emotional and pleasing everyone is difficult if not impossible.
Premier League football is a billionaires game. We have been left behind by some years. However, we are a Premier League club since it's formation. Aston Villa and Leeds United would take that. Season tickets have remained affordable for everyone of all ages.
If this is true that Mr Kenwright is saying goodbye, then thank you for keeping to your values.
134 Posted 06/03/2018 at 20:47:46
Sadly, I expect Emery's response to an offer of the Everton job be "No... but ooh, you are awful".
One for the teenagers there. I'll get me coat.
135 Posted 06/03/2018 at 20:50:06
John Moores. Now that's a chairman.
Kenwright is in my opinion the Sam Allardyce of chairman world. Done just enough to keep us going in his tenure. The bare minimum.
As a club success is now top half, or top 7 or 8. Success is a semi final or a Wembley appearance every now and then. Success is getting in to Europe. Success is getting a point against the RS and the odd win (at home) against the "top 6". Success is selling out our tickets (taking for granted the support at home and away). Success is a better sponsorship deal than the last one we had. Success is EitC. Success is our history.
Gone are the days we competed for trophies. Making new history.
I won't mention the shady mortgaging off of the assets under Kenwright for which Moshiri helped clear.
But, apart from on the pitch failures, the most overriding factor is the stadium. Everton did nothing for Goodison Park whilst they dithered with failed ground moves. Kenwright somewhat involved.
The one thing I thank him for is for bringing in Moshiri. It's fair enough to say he could have sold out to the wrong sort of owner that clubs like Hull or Cardiff, for example, have. But Kenwright has been a poor owner for Everton people are just too blinkered to see it.
For those that say he needs to stay with the club to over see the change hasn't he done exactly that in the last two years?
People might be jumping the gun over Usmanov but I do get the feeling there is more to come from Moshiri's partners I don't think it's just Moshiri alone. Has Moshiri got the wherewithal to be a major football owner? I don't know. Keep Jim White out of it.
As people have pointed out, the changes may take place (including Moshiri increasing his share) as we say goodbye to the old guard. And Elstone please.
All this may be underpinning the lack of identity and leadership running through the club. From top down.
136 Posted 06/03/2018 at 20:50:06
Likewise we have limited if no influence on who is appointed manager and which players the club buys and sells. We are interested bystanders, who pay good money to watch our team; we have views of course we all do, but 'careful what you wish for'?
We can only assess people on what has happened at the club in the past 18 years or so, not on what would have happened if scenario a, b, c, or d had occurred. Judge stuff on actual events and not on variable situations that might have occurred.
Similarly, the new regime, if it ever comes to pass, will be judged on what they do and what happens as a result of their decisions.If they make things worse they will be rightfully castigated; if things improve and the club are in a fit state to compete at a higher level on a regular basis they will rightfully be applauded.
137 Posted 06/03/2018 at 20:59:37
In my book the money guy is just another Lerner or Short and on the evidence so far we are likely to plumb the depths.
'Be careful who you wish for'? Too late for that rubbish our fate is already sealed !
138 Posted 06/03/2018 at 20:59:51
I personally hate Bill Kenwright, I think he's been in it for himself from day one, but I know loads of people think the complete opposite of me.
Is Moshiri any better? Who knows? He's got more money, and he's put a lot more money into Everton, but until he gets us the right manager, and does away with Steve Walsh, then things are only going to get worse.
139 Posted 06/03/2018 at 21:26:13
140 Posted 06/03/2018 at 21:28:33
Just thought I'd ask... ;-)
141 Posted 06/03/2018 at 21:35:20
I for one will be glad when he's gone. I feel he's been a millstone around the neck of the club for a number of years, especially since Moshiri has come in. His view of the club and his constant harking back to the olden days of 'real' football, has created a nostalgic romance surrounding it. He has hampered modernization due to his clinging to how football used to be. This is mainly due to his own lack of funds to implement change.
He's ran the club over the years like one of his productions. You can see it when he talks to the media and has used his power within it to make him look good. Wasn't it amazing when there was any fan unrest, you could guarantee at least one media outlet would run a Bill Kenwright puff piece stating how lucky Everton are to have him.
In reality, fo his time here much of his legacy will be remembered for his deception and lies to cover his and the club's ineptitude. As many have stated on here, there's questions on the way he funded the takeover of the club. Also, the Fortress Sports Fund check story to oust the Greggs, plus the 'ring-fencing' of money for Kings Dock.
We also can't forget the chase across the Mediterranean after Keith Wyness after he left the club in strange circumstances. This was tied to probably one of the more controversial pieces that has shadowed his reign, the relationship with Phillip Green. This even made it to national news as it was discussed at the House of Commons.
Lastly, it's amazing how someone who by his own accounts wasn't a rich man when he bought it, but will walk away from the club with a huge fortune? Even though, during his time at the club, it was perilously close to administration at least 1-2 times. This was after the management selling off pretty much every asset the club owned. But, after all this, we should 'be careful for what we wish for'?? Actually, hasn't that saying been something he's been promoting all these years?
142 Posted 06/03/2018 at 21:50:31
As for 'be careful what you wish for' to all that causes angst to, agreed Bill and many others should move on, but I am far from convinced that Moshiri is the man to run the club.
The Jim White episodes, the Lukaku Voodoo links etc, leave my jury definitely hung at the moment.
The next managerial appointment will show in which direction we are going.
143 Posted 06/03/2018 at 22:11:33
144 Posted 06/03/2018 at 22:22:22
Moshiri might have money and a vision but he has an ego to go with it which worries me the most. I don't think like a lot of these new billioniaire owners he gives a toss about the fans or the club he just sees us as a platform to promote himself and use Everton FC as a cash-cow as long as he can turn fortunes around on the pitch and build a stadium to create revenue!
On one hand, he could be the best thing that's ever happened to us... but, on the other, things could go very sour and, judging on the decisions and the noises he and his staff have made so far, he has got a lot to learn about being a football club chairman!
Thank's for doing your best, Bill!
145 Posted 06/03/2018 at 22:41:59
146 Posted 06/03/2018 at 22:48:31
My take on this, if true is thank you for your time, Bill. Please retire gracefully and in good health.
147 Posted 06/03/2018 at 23:07:06
The previous post is more to the point. Played the fans for sure.
I will be a very happy Evertonian when that man is gone
148 Posted 06/03/2018 at 23:10:02
This will kick start a new era of Everton FC. On the adage 'it couldn't get any worse', this plan will surely be embraced, by most Evertonians, and the prologue will give thanks to the current board etc.…
The club moves on. It's become an annual cycle of expecting famine and worse in football terms and that so true, the last 30 years.
So may be this preseason is the Golden Harvest after 30 years of blight and crap... Turf Moor told its own story, last Saturday that captured this most crap season in modern times. And hopefully, we scrape home this season and rebuild after West Ham?
The end of this road to hell?
149 Posted 07/03/2018 at 00:09:14
"Lord Grantchester declined to put himself forward for re-election at the 2000 AGM, citing business reasons. However, there are rumours that he left because Bill Kenwright rejected his numerous offers of financial help during or after the takeover by True Blue Holdings.
And the rumours have continued since, fueled by the belief of many Everton fans that Lord Grantchester would happily underwrite a massive venture into the transfer market in support of The manager, if only Bill Kenwright would swallow his pride and allow the Moores Millions to once again revive a flagging Everton..."
So, all this time when we sold our players, sold off Finch farm, on our arses up to and including the sale of Wayne Rooney, he preferred to let our best assets leave, rather than seek help from the grandson of Sir John Moores.
150 Posted 07/03/2018 at 00:31:55
For years he put off investors, with his over priced valuation of the club,even now he made sure Moshiri did not have 50% of the shares in our club.
Be careful what you wish for hammered out on here like a finely tuned piano.
This guy has put this football club light years behind the top clubs.
I do not wish the guy ill health, he is a big Evertonian which has got in the way of his judgement and mis-management of our great football club.
If and when Kenwright and Elstone leave the club, it will be a step in the right direction; having said that, I do not see him leaving until the new stadium is under way.
151 Posted 07/03/2018 at 00:35:15
Folks who did their best but failed, for 20 years in Kenwright's case, may take personal comfort from their thwarted alleged endeavour but few, if any, will have trousered tens of millions in the process, whilst the club they feign to "worship" always and still needs every last penny to try to achieve what true fans have always paid in to achieve, namely a trophy.
Our neighbour's fans decided to suffer the similarly leech-like "support" of Gillette and Hicks for a mere three years before turning on them publicly, after which they were ousted in an acrimonious legal battle they lost.
Since then Liverpool have advanced, again, in a way we can only still dream of. And don't even think about the Manchester teams or Spurs, or Chelsea, or even Arsenal.
"Be careful what you wish for"? Does that translate into Latin as "Takus Num Fuckus Tu Cleanus" or what?
152 Posted 07/03/2018 at 01:00:22
Interesting times ahead methinks. For the better, hopefully.
153 Posted 07/03/2018 at 02:28:43
154 Posted 07/03/2018 at 06:43:16
Johnson didn't put his money into the club nor did he build the Park End stand that was mainly paid for by a Trust set up by the League following Hillsborough.
What Johnson did was personally underwrite the club's overdraft which is where all the initial transfer spending came from.
When the bank called in the overdraft, he wanted out as he knew the Club couldn't pay it back and he would have to dig into his hamper money hence the rushed sales of any players worth anything (including Big Dunc).
That said, I think Kenwright saw his opportunity and organised his leveraged buy-out and the rest is history.
So neither of them come out of it smelling of roses.
155 Posted 07/03/2018 at 06:57:15
Well I do not recall wishing for 23 years of sterility and a mass outbreak of "Stockholm Syndrome" (actually it will become 24 years before we can cure that).
If there is any warning beginning "Be careful" to be issued, then it is.
"Be careful the door doesn't bang you in the arse on the way out, Bill!"
156 Posted 07/03/2018 at 07:40:19
Not sure about Moshiri, hopefully he has just been unlucky or ill advised so far.
The appointment of Allardyce has got to be the second lowest point in my Everton history. The first was hearing that Howard Kendall was leaving to manage in Spain.
157 Posted 07/03/2018 at 08:02:03
When he does finally go, my question would be, what is he going to do with the millions he has and will make out of the Club?
158 Posted 07/03/2018 at 08:07:27
We have got an asylum that has been taken over by the lunatics. Our marketing has been poor, kit deals and sponsorship has been shambolic. Kenwright is stated as still responsible for transfers. So we have spent £240 m on 12 average players, instead of £240m on five or six good players.
The biggest failure though is the present manager. He may not be Bill's appointment but he is our Chairman. As a fan, Boys Pen Bill should know the football we like. That we want the days of the school of science back but he stands by while we appoint Allardyce.
Be careful what you wish for. Well I wish for a board that knows what it takes to run a club properly. A team that will go toe to toe with that lot over the park. Most of all I want Allardyce shown the door.
So cheers, Bill, and thanks for all the good times, there's been a couple. Here's your pipe and slippers; Radio 2 want you to do two shows a week. Tara
159 Posted 07/03/2018 at 08:51:28
There is one particular part of his tenure that sticks in my mind. It was when the current Liverpool owners had just announced a secondary sponsor that dwarfed our deal with Chang, who we were happy to stay with for 10 years!
As the announcement was made, Bill flounced onto the screen making a comeback in Corrie. People do tend to forget the man is an accomplished actor, and can look into the distance whilst waxing lyrical at the drop of a hat.
He is also one ruthless bastard, who won't have anyone at the club questioning his decisions see R Elstone.
160 Posted 07/03/2018 at 09:06:28
Blue Union interview with Kenwright roundabout 07-08.
More info on 'Grandoldteam.com' running similar thread at the moment, btw.
And some of their members are calling for a statue of Bloo Bill near the new stadium and calling the approach to it 'The Happy Clapper Way' )).
161 Posted 07/03/2018 at 09:25:37
162 Posted 07/03/2018 at 09:36:45
163 Posted 07/03/2018 at 10:33:32
164 Posted 07/03/2018 at 10:35:00
165 Posted 07/03/2018 at 11:16:07
When you consider that Kenwright has had to deal with being underfunded from day one his tenure has always been difficult to deal with.
Love him or loath him, the simple truth is that we need an owner who's willing to spend the ridiculous amounts required to buy the very best players and then shell out £200k+ per week to pay them. Those owners are very thin on the ground!
166 Posted 07/03/2018 at 12:22:02
It surprises me that so many ToffeeWebbers have been conned by him, yet they wish him well. Build a fucking statue to him are you really serious?
Steve Sweeney@42 and Tom Dodds @58 give you the real Bill Kenwright in my opinion.
167 Posted 07/03/2018 at 12:41:46
If by 'great' you mean that they successfully managed to redefine Everton Football Club from a giant, to plucky little Everton.
In the years before Moyes took over we were still able to attract players of the highest caliber Kanchelskis, Barmby, Speed etc.
Who can we attract now? Shaqiri chose Stoke over us. Fucking Stoke.
Great double-act, my arse. They've destroyed us.
168 Posted 07/03/2018 at 13:15:34
Under his 'stewardship', the old joke about someone asking for a cowboy outfit for Xmas and they bought Everton has become reality.
Hopefully we can now be run as a professional sporting club rather than a hobby.
169 Posted 07/03/2018 at 13:20:56
Regarding "Be careful" etc
We had Martinez. We wanted him out. Job done, in walks Koeman. He's worse than Martinez. We wanted him out. Job done, in waddles Jabba The Hut Allardyce. He should never have been let in the building. Even more so, we want him out. I can't wait for job done here, but we must have viable targets identified ready to take over.
Recurring pattern here under Moshiri's tenure. Some state on here Boys Pen Bill has the say, I'm told Moshiri has.
No matter, if Kenwright does walk out among floods of tears from him and all acolytes and hangers on who sailed with him I hope Moshiri's first appointment is a CEO with a knowledge of football as I personally do not think he himself does.
170 Posted 07/03/2018 at 15:57:44
In fact, If a statue were to be put up of him should he leave, them I would rather he stay on and they find a role for him serving crap beer in the Park End.
171 Posted 07/03/2018 at 15:58:23
As for rumours about Kenwright's imminent retirement, I think it is probably fair to say that he is little more than a figurehead these days, and therefore I don't think it would make much difference either way.
172 Posted 07/03/2018 at 16:51:13
The Mansour takeover never got off the ground. Again, was this because Kenwright was not prepared to stand down?
Now Moshiri has taken over and Kenwright is still surprisingly chairman, which leads me to think that was part of the deal. Three times in 17 years is too often to be coincidence.
This seems to be a case of a man determined to hold on to power even if it means the welfare of the club is secondary.
173 Posted 07/03/2018 at 17:23:31
Sorry, but there are still issues here with your claims:
Blue Union interview with Kenwright roundabout 07-08.
That interview took place in August 2011. Makes no mention of Mansour or a price of £240M being offered for Everton back in 2008. Blue Union did not even exist in 07-08. Kenwright did not reveal the interest from Sheikh Mansour until October 2011.
Can you remember which page of which thread at GrandOldTeam you saw it on?
174 Posted 07/03/2018 at 18:50:02
There's no smoke and no fire.
175 Posted 07/03/2018 at 19:13:20
As Lyndon flagged up in his article, this is the original source: evertonthat.com.
I must admit that I don't know much about them or where they reside, it was also that site that claimed that Fonseca is to be next boss.
I do wonder with the gathering momentum against the Manager, in ever increasing numbers, whether somebody has 'leaked' something that might calm the masses, but that would be a very cynical ploy wouldn't it?
On the other hand, it's interesting to note that the local media have paid it no attention whatsoever and haven't sought denials from the club either.
176 Posted 07/03/2018 at 19:45:22
177 Posted 07/03/2018 at 20:10:46
178 Posted 07/03/2018 at 20:35:13
The Scot's partnership with Kenwright was an average 7th finish over 11 years. It will be a bloody long time until any manager rivals that record. Few did before or since!
179 Posted 07/03/2018 at 21:01:21
Kenwright and Moyes kept us at a realistic level and maybe with a top goal scorer we may well have got above our station for a while. We have been the best of the rest for a while. Competitive for most of the time but nothing else.
180 Posted 07/03/2018 at 22:14:56
I think it was also around the time that Keith Wyness left the club under a cloud and both Kenwright and Phillip Green raced across the Med (In Green's old yacht!) to confront him and get him to sign a non-disclosure agreement.
(For Obvious reasons, of course, Wyness said no more about anything! Neither has Ian Ross nor someone else Alan Myers (proper Blue) who jumped ship 4 days or so after joining Everton in a cloud of stunned disbelief to Blackburn who couldn't believe their luck at getting such a prized PR guy. Main rumour there was he 'didn't like how the club was being run'... Quite.
Anyway I'll study back through other Fan sites to grapple a comment from someone who was ITK and report back.
Maybe The Esk??
181 Posted 07/03/2018 at 22:26:44
182 Posted 07/03/2018 at 23:53:31
I read through that fascinating article but the Sheikh's bid wasn't mentioned. Defo worth a mail to The Esk by TW's editors methinks.
I did however find the article regarding the 'case of the Everton's missing director' (Robert Earl) and his involvement in the Kirkby stadium/Everton share buying and association with Phillip Green and especially Green's often snidey commenting of our club even more eye-opening.
A request to the editors to link this site (Blue Union) for general studying by the fans on this (and any other) site, to the present thread, given, especially the present divide in opinions of Kenwright and board et al should be treated as a must-read.
183 Posted 08/03/2018 at 13:42:45
I bet he bought those fucking sprinklers too, which never seem to be turned off at Goodison... jeez!
184 Posted 08/03/2018 at 15:17:28
185 Posted 08/03/2018 at 15:41:03
186 Posted 08/03/2018 at 17:45:30
I've read the report before, read it again to reinforce my belief in how phoney Everton's greatest ever supporter is,and yet loads still think he is "one of us": never in a milion years.
187 Posted 08/03/2018 at 19:29:59
But, if you look at his record, he did very well with absolutely sod-all to spend and, were it not for the injuries in 2009 to Yakubu, Jagielka and Arteta (none were ever quite the same after) he may have cracked the top 4 more than just in 2005.
I'm not getting involved in the Bill Kenwright argument other than to say I know him personally, have done for nearly 20 years and he is a decent man who loves the club with a passion. We all make mistakes in life but he will leave us in a far better state than when he took over and surely that is how he should ultimately be judged?
188 Posted 08/03/2018 at 20:43:12
I only met him once, by introducing myself to him, and found him to be a person who would try to browbeat you, if you let him. I found his knowledge of his idol Davie Hickson, as a footballer, was limited, and to be honest, Dave, I wouldn't begrudge you your friendship with him.
You are more than welcome to that. I bet you have listened to plenty of bullshit from him for the last 20 years.
189 Posted 09/03/2018 at 16:16:48
I assume that both chairman and major shareholder were in agreement on the recruitment of Koeman, but we know for certain that Bill was not in favour of having a Director of Football, because he said so. I think there's strong circumstantial evidence that Walsh recommended his old cronies Allardyce and Shakespeare, and that has condemned him as far as I'm concerned.
I do wonder how an owner, looking for a 'Hollywood' manager when Koeman was hired, can then go for Allardyce surely more Hammer horror than Hollywood. I can only assume that the mistakes that have been made are down to the inexperience of a new owner, and that it will come good in the end.
Whatever your opinion of Bill Kenwright, I don't think you can argue the fact that a lot of Everton knowledge and experience will be leaving with him when he steps down. For that reason alone, we need a strong-minded technical director with a clear vision of what the club needs to give us winning, attractive football.
190 Posted 09/03/2018 at 19:53:27
As for Elstone, he done a deal with Kitbag, and should have been sacked on the spot, and he continued the deal with Chang, even though a different sponsor offered more money. Enough said.
191 Posted 10/03/2018 at 13:03:18
How grateful I was to him to represent our club at the Hillsborough memorial 5 years ago when he gave the speech about Liverpool Mums. Still chokes me up when I think about it. This is how I feel about Everton and as a 58 year old bloke its how I have felt all of my life. I guess I am probably in the minority on this forum but I for one think that everything he has done has been for the good of the club.
His hands are well and truly tied now with Moshiri and before we know it, we'll be falling into the arms of some oligarch or asian investor as soon as/if the new ground gets approved. I suppose its inevitable that we will eventually become the sterile corporate organisation that is prevalent throughout most of the Premier League, but for the time being BK was not just Betty Turpins Lad, he
's the chairman of a club which we both love.
192 Posted 10/03/2018 at 13:46:09
Ah well, each to his own I suppose.
193 Posted 10/03/2018 at 14:02:51
194 Posted 10/03/2018 at 22:49:00
Then I get a call from a mate who has a "good contact". He tells me:
1) Bill is going shortly
2) Elstone also going
3) Woods going
AND THE BRAMLEY-MOORE MOVE IS OFF!?
195 Posted 11/03/2018 at 01:14:46
196 Posted 11/03/2018 at 03:36:01
Kenwright never put his hand in his pocket and got his mates to help him secure the club who also never invested money in the club. You know the two Spurs fans one of which pulled the strings or was it just giving Bill advice. He was all about himself and good riddance.
197 Posted 11/03/2018 at 14:45:28
His over emotional delivery puts a lot of people off I know but that's the industry he's in and the type of guy he is.
Like you, I dread the day when "we will eventually become the sterile corporate organisation that is prevalent throughout most of the Premier League."
198 Posted 11/03/2018 at 15:08:34
199 Posted 11/03/2018 at 15:35:55
How true this is, only time will tell. It's all a bit like any potential signing, I'll believe it when I see it in black and white.
200 Posted 11/03/2018 at 15:49:59
Really Vinny, with all the evidence of what he failed to do that is unbelievabley ridiculous, even forgetting the way he has looked after himself and made millions out of "Looking after the club".
201 Posted 11/03/2018 at 16:07:26
202 Posted 11/03/2018 at 20:14:46
203 Posted 11/03/2018 at 20:27:55
Kenwright was not the best but loves the club with passion. I've seen him there at games looking really ill so I'm totally not with all you fellow Blues slagging him as he could have unloaded us into any number of shyster ventures but now we have a guy with money (blown too much on waste already) so in a nutshell what I'm saying is that Bill Kenwright is a top bloke.
204 Posted 12/03/2018 at 10:20:44
"anything but a kopite" - that really hurts! I don't post on TW that much but have been on here for years . and always just speak from the heart - maybe its just an age thing!
Try having a first name of Vincent and live in Garstang. Then join the Royal Navy and see what nicknames your mates come up with !!!
205 Posted 12/03/2018 at 17:34:48
206 Posted 12/03/2018 at 19:18:14
207 Posted 13/03/2018 at 13:03:10
I know many fans criticize Kenwright for bringing Green and Earl on board, but maybe when the banks wont lend you a penny maybe he thought approaching these 2 to lend us the money the banks wouldn't was his only option.
Everton's biggest problem going further back before Kenwright, was our failure to appoint the right manager, and Allardyce sums it up perfectly. The majority of the fans didn't want him near this club but Moshiri thought differently. We as a club have never appointed the best available and probably will make the same mistake when they finally get shut of Allardyce.
208 Posted 13/03/2018 at 13:59:12
Too much has already been written about his litany of deceit and for a man who supposedly loves EFC and will see a huge return on his zero investment in the club not to put a penny of that back into the club sums him up.
He started a relative pauper, oversaw the worst period in Everton's history and will leave a seriously rich man.
Sympathy for Bill? Don't make me laugh.
209 Posted 13/03/2018 at 14:08:21
The numbers are dwindling though, Jay, as the penny drops.
210 Posted 13/03/2018 at 14:58:50
He was a blue through and through and loved this club. What do you want instead?
He's made £20m out of our club, whereas Moshiri's put about £100m in. Which one would you say has his heart in the club?
211 Posted 13/03/2018 at 17:46:59
I hope your contact knows more than mine.
212 Posted 13/03/2018 at 20:16:58
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