Following a claim to the same effect in the Daily Star earlier this month, The Mirror are saying that Fonseca has been lined up to replace Allardyce who was brought in on an 18-month contract last November.
The 63-year-old has fulfilled his immediate brief of keeping the Blues in the Premier League but if this report — the journalist, John Richardson, is not renowned for being especially clued up about affairs at Goodison — and rumours on Merseyside that would seem to support it are true, Farhad Moshiri does not view him as a longer-term option.
Fonseca will be out of contract at Shakhtar Donetsk this summer having guided the Ukrainian side out of the group stages of the Champions League.
Brands, meanwhile, has earned a stellar reputation as sporting director at PSV Eindhoven and talks are believed to have been held with him about coming on board as Everton's director of football.
That would place a question mark over Walsh's future. He arrived the summer before last fresh from the accolades of having unearthed some of Leicester City's greatest finds but has overseen a very mixed transfer strategy at Everton.
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1 Posted 28/03/2018 at 06:16:22
Being an optimist, let's face it, you have to be to support Everton, especially in recent times, I always believe in the adage 'there is no smoke without fire'.
The very fact they are free agents, well in Fonseca's case, it doesn't smack of an Agent touting for his Client, by feeding the Media.
So, having said that, fingers crossed.
2 Posted 28/03/2018 at 06:34:52
3 Posted 28/03/2018 at 07:01:00
4 Posted 28/03/2018 at 07:11:18
5 Posted 28/03/2018 at 07:12:56
Allardyce out now!!
6 Posted 28/03/2018 at 07:38:38
7 Posted 28/03/2018 at 08:17:42
8 Posted 28/03/2018 at 08:31:51
That means he has a similar approach to Jose Mourinho, who is fast becoming old school in modern football, and is being overtaken by attack-minded coaches like Gaurdiola and even, dare I say it, Klopp.
If this is true, I don't see him as the man to take Everton forward and predict he will be slaughtered on TW for boring us all to sleep in a very short time.
9 Posted 28/03/2018 at 08:46:27
I have no words for Walsh. Yes he's brought in Lookman, Sandro and Klaassen but where are they now? Two on loan and another behind Schneiderlin. Sigurdsson, Pickford and Keane have had decent seasons before and weren't exactly plucked from obscurity now, were they?
A move for a progressive manager and a footballing director with clout outside of the Premier League are a must if we are to avoid another disaster of a season. Moshiri must know that faith in his vision, our vision, will be on the slide if Allardyce and Walsh remain in post and we continue to be easily brushed aside by lesser clubs on a regular basis.
I hate change but this is a must at ‘our great club'.
10 Posted 28/03/2018 at 09:30:48
I fear we are fast becoming a two- or three-managers-a-season club that mirrors so many who have fallen through the trap door once a monied football innocent takes the helm.
Doom-monger? But with good reason to be so!
11 Posted 28/03/2018 at 10:09:48
12 Posted 28/03/2018 at 10:14:55
However, we have to make a decision for what is best for the club over the next 2-3 seasons. Sam won't be tolerated by 90+%, any downturn will cause meltdown next season. We have to change managers to have the best chance of avoiding that scenario.
It all sounds a bit nudge-nudge, wink-wink in the Midland Hotel bar. Anyway, if procurement of a new management team is quietly underway, Mr Moshiri deserves praise for being proactive.
13 Posted 28/03/2018 at 10:20:24
Not sure one season makes us a habitual "two- to three-managers-per-season" club quite yet.
Anyway, whoever it is, likely some will inevitably be getting a "told you he was crap" marker down before the contract ink is dry.
Will it be the same people outrageously called doom mongers? Course not!
14 Posted 28/03/2018 at 10:26:49
15 Posted 28/03/2018 at 10:43:29
16 Posted 28/03/2018 at 10:50:48
17 Posted 28/03/2018 at 11:08:43
This particular guy may be great or he may be terrible, but he cant be judged on the fact that hes coming from the Dutch league.
18 Posted 28/03/2018 at 11:24:14
The Pictish clans of ancient Scotland were the ancestors of first people to use the name Allardyce. The name was found in the old barony of Allardice, in the parish of Arbuthnott in Kincardineshire. This place name is derived from the Gaelic words all, which means "cliff" and deas which means "southern."
Fonseca (surname) Fonseca is a common Portuguese and Galician surname, while the variation Fonseka is common in Sri Lanka after Portuguese presence. A habitational name from any of several places named for a spring that dried up during the summer months, it comes from Latin fōns siccus, meaning "dry well".
I must conclude that Allardyce has us going over a cliff, and Fonseca would find that the well is dry....Next?
19 Posted 28/03/2018 at 11:24:40
As for him having a similar approach to Mourinho, again I don't see it in how Shakhtar play. Even so, I'd rather be in a position where we were winning trophies and moaning about style of play than not winning anything and still moaning about style of play.
I know very little about the Brands guy but surely can't be any worse than Walsh. As for Fonseca, hope there us something in it as he would be a massive step forward!
20 Posted 28/03/2018 at 11:34:52
I think a roll of the dice or a flick of the coin would stand us in better stead than some of the decisions being made by our hierarchy.
Whoever comes in is going to face a Herculean task to turn things around after the monumental mistakes made in our transfer policies of last summer and our managerial selection thereafter.
Our supposed chance to leap forward has metamorphosised into a large stride drunkenly backwards. To me, we have deteriorated and withered in personnel, tactics, style of play and pride in wearing the shirt.
The optimism felt by so many of us during the last close season has been utterly quashed by incompetence, a lack of direction and foresight, and absolutely no feeling that our club's leaders have a specific and clear plan in place. It appears that crucial decisions are being made on a whim and out of desperation. There is no steady hand on the helm just incompetents shrieking "Oh God, here comes another wave!"
Cleaning out the Augean stables is going to seem like a walk in Stanley Park compared to cleaning up the labyrinth of incompetence at Goodison Park.
We have acted like the lottery winner with an IQ of 50 and squandered a real opportunity to make a meaningful progression. I despair at what has and is happening at our club.
God help Fonseca and Brands or whoever we get in to replace the charlatan we currently have as boss, because those in charge appear to have more money than grey matter.
It seems that our board are the football equivalents of Lehman Brothers, Union Carbide and Enron combined except the aforementioned probably have more structure and planning skills than their Everton FC counterparts.
Jeez, and I used to be one of the eternal optimists on this site.
21 Posted 28/03/2018 at 11:40:47
The papers are saying Bill Kenwright is in full agreement with Moshiri, when Allardyce was mentioned he said he didn't think everyone at the club was behind him taking over. Well although he has made mistakes I think Kenwright was well aware what most Evertonians thought of appointing Allardyce and he was probably trying to persuade Moshiri not to hire him.
Whatever decision is made regarding the manager, most of us will have renewed our season tickets, as I have. I just hope that Moshiri takes notice of the various polls telling him we might collectively not know who we want as a new manager, but we are all united in who we don't want in charge next season.
22 Posted 28/03/2018 at 12:06:14
Put yourself in Moshiri's shoes now and tell us whether you would stick with what we've got or, at the risk of being tarred with the "two- or three-managers-a-season" brush, replace him. In a nutshell, are you one of the 7% or the 93%?
23 Posted 28/03/2018 at 12:40:59
So any news that says, he is on his way out, is music to my ears and makes me feel happy for the day.
Appointing a new manager to take our club forward into the modern age of football is going to be a gamble, as there are few things certain in life. But when I say 'Anyone but Allardyce' I exclude the following from that statement: Pulis, Hughes, Pardew, Hodgson (anyone from the Manager Merry-go-round set).
Fonseca, Silva, Arteta, or a few others mentioned on here, are at least from a younger generation who have a chance of 'modernising' our style of play, which would be a step in the right direction. For me, the new man/woman (so as not to be seen as sexist) does not have to win silverware in the first season or two.
I would be happy to see our club begin to develop a style of play, which is installed at all levels of the club. Continue our great efforts to coach and nurture our own young talent, rather than always looking to buy from outside. A Manager who can re-light our claim to be the School of Science and begin to do justice to the memory of legends like Alan Ball & Howard Kendall to name but two, would, for me, be deemed as success.
If we do this, the winning and trophies will surely follow.
24 Posted 28/03/2018 at 13:03:00
Makes me laugh when people say a style is out-dated, because it's more about implementation surely? Look at Conte last season, as a prime example, and if Fonseca's teams play in the way Mark describes, then just to watch some intelligent football again at Goodison would be a major step in the right direction for me.
25 Posted 28/03/2018 at 13:06:30
26 Posted 28/03/2018 at 13:32:39
27 Posted 28/03/2018 at 13:45:29
Shaktar play possession football but with an attacking edge. The problem he'd have with us is we don't have the players capable of playing that way.
28 Posted 28/03/2018 at 16:51:40
Does that reputation extend to Koeman, Mike?
I honestly just want somebody who can be arsed to work for the club and expects his staff to do the same.
29 Posted 28/03/2018 at 17:22:39
Don't care about nationality or Premier League experience, neither is particularly relevant compared to the previous paragraph.
I don't care if he 'gets' the club. I'd rather have a manager I can 'get' after the last few years
I'm not banking on anyone staying for ever, either. If he's really good, he'll end up somewhere bigger. If he ends up no good we'll bin him.
Phil W's pantomime pessimism is half right, but it's not all Villa and Sunderland. Spurs, Liverpool and Man Utd have been through managers before getting the 'right one'. They've learned from their mistakes. I can't think of a club that's got it right first time in recent years.
Now it's a matter of whether Moshiri learns and acts.
30 Posted 28/03/2018 at 20:15:34
31 Posted 28/03/2018 at 20:40:30
Unless we are so fickle and conduct zero due diligence and have literally no cohesive long-term strategy beyond ‘current flavour of the month'.
32 Posted 28/03/2018 at 21:15:03
I'm responding to John (#15) who implies that coming from the Dutch league should be seen as a reason to doubt Brands ability. I'm saying it can't be, and that lots of football talent has come from the Dutch league. That's not the same as saying that everyone who comes from the Dutch league is brilliant, which is what your question seems to assume I mean.
To be clear: Brands can only be judged on his own ability, not where he's coming from.
33 Posted 28/03/2018 at 23:57:01
34 Posted 29/03/2018 at 01:46:07
I'm just very conscious we've been so recently burnt by a man with such a bizarrely undeserved reputation that he is now their national manager for all his ineptitude.
I just want a manager with a plan who can motivate this shower of mental weaklings and I don't which from which league they come.
35 Posted 29/03/2018 at 02:36:28
Silva is someone I'd be very wary of given what happened at Watford. We need a manager around whom the squad can regenerate for a season or two, or three (this is Everton after all, isn't it?) at least. For Silva to have only have been able to establish powder-puff credentials with the Watford squad until we failingly swooped for him sends out a bad message both ways.
For us the bad message is that we fucked up despite our alleged "top club" credentials (as only those of us over 40 years of age might recall admittedly). For him, the bad message is that he's now regarded as a moth, constantly flitting from club to club in search of a bigger wedge without ever doing anything in an environment where the only answer to criticism was merely to insert another olive into the gob of those who query.
If that sounds racist I'm truly sorry. Many of my best friends (including one from as far away as Yorkshire even) assure me I'm not racist.
36 Posted 29/03/2018 at 07:45:53
When Burnley were first promoted to the premiership, they made it through the play offs and did not invest and were duly relegated. The following season they won promotion as Champions, after remaining unbeaten for the second half of the season.
So Dyche is a winner and I believe would do a great job of turning Everton around, especially with Wenger upstairs as DOF.
[Dons tin hat with a wry smile.] CoYB
37 Posted 29/03/2018 at 09:45:11
Wenger would be a dream DoF, but can't see him making the move. And when we appoint a Carlos Kickabal as manager just remember all the Arsene Who? headlines when he turned up from Japan to take over at Highbury.
The point surely is to get someone who will coach and manage what we have and recruit better than we have.
The alarm bells start for me as soon as I see or hear the phrase 'his philosophy' or 'his style of play'. That was the problem with Martinez and Koeman, who disregarded the abilities of the players we have and told them to play a style that was alien to them.
Ultimately, you can buld a team to play a certain way, or you can use what you have to win games of football. My own choice would be to find an old/experienced manager as DoF (Wenger would be good but see above there must be others) and go for a young coach/manager such as Arteta. I would also look to within the club. Jagielka? Ferguson? They know the players and can't be any worse than the last three.
38 Posted 29/03/2018 at 13:09:18
39 Posted 29/03/2018 at 13:26:42
40 Posted 29/03/2018 at 13:33:10
Including the Town Halls, Chad.
41 Posted 29/03/2018 at 15:02:01
I think he's a superb young manager who holds himself with dignity and integrity, two qualities severely lacking from the current incumbent. He seems well liked by his players, adopts a modern attacking style, knows the Premier League, and I'd be very interested to see what he could do with better players.
Oh yeah, he's also a Blue!
42 Posted 29/03/2018 at 17:29:26
43 Posted 29/03/2018 at 18:44:04
44 Posted 29/03/2018 at 22:12:10
45 Posted 29/03/2018 at 23:53:01
46 Posted 30/03/2018 at 07:42:45
There are many cases of managers having an excellent era at one club but then failing to replicate elsewhere; our own David Moyes being a good recent example. Steve Ferns wrote an excellent post on another thread detailing these achievements if you want to find it.
I still think they both merit consideration but for me Silva and Fonseca are preferable as they have both improved the lots of several clubs in different leagues.
47 Posted 30/03/2018 at 09:06:42
My Christian name is derived from Mars the God of War, and my surname from the Gaelic for Sea Warrior. So my name is Warlord Sea Warrior which is cool but means fuck all as I'm soft as shite!
On saying that it's Eddie Howe for me, Clive!
48 Posted 30/03/2018 at 10:42:14
I didn't expect us to be as bad as we became but we had no chance of being as good as last season after losing his 20+ goals. All the best teams have very fast forwards now & we spent 5 months chasing a very slow midfield player who couldn't get a game at Spurs. We are so far away now from being a team we would want to watch that I'm beginning to lose interest.
Chelsea won't make the Champions League this year & maybe Arsenal also. It's going to take unbelievably large amounts of cash just to make the Europa League. Is the Premier League now too big?
49 Posted 30/03/2018 at 14:51:45
50 Posted 30/03/2018 at 15:29:16
Just seen an interesting article on Twitter from www.futbolgrad.com regarding Fonseca's time at Shakhtar.
51 Posted 30/03/2018 at 15:43:34
52 Posted 30/03/2018 at 15:50:48
Negative manager looking at these results, Paul? 😁
53 Posted 30/03/2018 at 16:09:53
54 Posted 30/03/2018 at 16:32:04
Lastly, I lacked confidence in Koeman's ability to pull it all together, especially as he had shown no sense of commitment to the club right from when he was first appointed.
55 Posted 30/03/2018 at 17:14:29
I fully agree with your post.
56 Posted 30/03/2018 at 17:53:36
Ive been watching Fonsecas teams for a long time. They are very much like Koeman's... I know a wagon-circler when I see one.
With luck, he won't be sending us to sleep like the last three who all came in promising all sorts and only succeeded in sucking the soul out of the club with the undying support of those who tried desperately hard to convince us they were the answer to our problems.
57 Posted 30/03/2018 at 18:42:05
Some people point to his short and undistinguished spell at Burnley as a 'hands-off' warning, but that was a long time ago and, since then, he has taken Bournemouth up another two divisions (I think they were in League One when he left for Burnley, but they may even still have been in League Two) and has counfounded every 'forecaster' by keeping them up, while playing some very decent football. More than to Sean Dyche, I'd turn to him.
58 Posted 30/03/2018 at 19:13:35
59 Posted 30/03/2018 at 21:09:57
Unless he means we are right behind him with a size nine welly about to boot him right up the arse.
60 Posted 31/03/2018 at 08:57:30
61 Posted 31/03/2018 at 12:11:04
62 Posted 31/03/2018 at 12:44:20
Given your barb, and hands up, I thought Martinez was a good choice and that Koeman would fare better with his own team, you're probably glad I'm not picking the next manager!
I just hope we get this one right.
63 Posted 31/03/2018 at 13:15:51
Estrela Amadora (youth)
A list of clubs managed by Fonseca.
Where did you watch them (for a long time) Darren?
64 Posted 01/04/2018 at 22:42:55
But the main problem with Fonseca is pressure, he completely crumbled at Porto, when they got behind in the Portuguese League and made a fool of himself in interviews at the time.
After a game with Frankfurt (a 2-2 draw at home), he looked a complete twat, saying that Bayern´s team was a powerful one and a tie wasn't a bad result, that the Borussia team didn't deserve the result, and that now (then) they had to win at Leverkusen... What a twat!!!
As for Marco Silva, he is the man!! He has tactical acumen, is a motivator, has a tough mentality, is a winner etc etc... The only problem is that he doesn't get along too well with chairmen. He had personal issues with sporting´s president Bruno de Carvalho, had a disagreement with Estoril when he made the jump to Sporting and I don´t need to tell ya about Watford, do I?
65 Posted 02/04/2018 at 03:46:12
For a start, whoever decided to bring Rooney back never mind on ridiculous wage levels should be hung out to dry immediately... and it wasn't Koeman.
66 Posted 02/04/2018 at 09:36:56
67 Posted 02/04/2018 at 20:03:49
Shakhtar's record in 2018:
22 goals scored
0 goals conceded
15 shots per match
64% possession on average
That's the kind of wagon-circling I'd like to see, whoever gets the job.
68 Posted 02/04/2018 at 21:15:56
If Moshiri is willing to pay huge salaries to the likes of Koeman and Allardyce, who are limited and uninspiring managers, why not go all-in and try for someone world class. Offer him a huge salary and a bumper war chest.
We are just throwing money away by going for middle-of-the-road managers. We end up paying them off anyways.
Emery looks like he'll be available too at the end of the season.
69 Posted 02/04/2018 at 21:23:13
More likely it'll be Arsenal or Chelsea rather than Everton. I'm getting to the stage where I don't really care who is the next manager of Everton, so long as they aren't one of the usual band of failed Premier League managers.
70 Posted 02/04/2018 at 21:38:14
Instead of hiring some mediocre manager and then making some half-arsed attempt at a marquee signing, we should make the marquee signing at the manager level who can bring the team up to his level.
Emery or Nagelsmann for me if Tuchel is off the board.
71 Posted 03/04/2018 at 11:52:00
72 Posted 03/04/2018 at 12:20:12
Realistically Tuchel will not be coming to Everton. He would have to be given a real sweetener. Can you ask your Aunt Stormy to have a word?
73 Posted 03/04/2018 at 16:12:41
Some say opposites attract, they can't be talking football development. It's hard for players, fans, head recruiter, DoF, head chef... you get the point, to develop and improve if targets are always changing.
If we all acknowledge that we will not win the Premier League in the next 5 years what else is it you want?
In order I would want:
1) Silverware e.g. FA Cup;
2) Entertaining, good fluent football,
3) Champions League qualification.
Would you be happy with a Klop or Pochetino coach playing entertaining attacking football if it meant we never won a trophy again?No, I wouldn't... but it's hard to know how long I would settle purely for entertainment.
So I want a winner first, then we can improve and possibly start to entertain. I want Mancini.
74 Posted 03/04/2018 at 16:28:06
75 Posted 03/04/2018 at 16:30:46
If the current manager signed him, then that is the worst news ever. If some South American journalist says the player was excited about the changes planned for next season, then we can maybe start asking who he is and is he any good?
76 Posted 03/04/2018 at 18:53:17
Only one British manager in front of us in the league.
Not a guarantee, but stacks up against the other candidates for me.
77 Posted 03/04/2018 at 19:55:14
In winning that league, he probably equalled Brendan Rodgerss achievement. His team were able to take advantage of the Dutch whipping boys in the Champions League but they drew three blanks in the other six games – mainly down to wagon-circling.
Brendan lite, Fonseca is simply not good enough.
Three seasons, three "big name" managers and between them they have managed to suck the life out of this club. The guy who waits in the background has only taken control of three home games... and while the others systematically failed to bring life to the old lady, his teams have brought the fucking house down on all three occasions. .
Just think about that for a minute... brought the fucking house down. On all three occasions. If you were not able to get to these games, ask anyone who did.
78 Posted 03/04/2018 at 19:56:39
The office girl hasn't turned the calendar over yet, being Easter and all! Don't worry, it'll be Taxi for Kenwright before Saturday unless he wants to watch the love of his life being dismembered before his very eyes.
79 Posted 04/04/2018 at 06:28:14
That's another one to the list I would take.
Can't see it happening tbh.
80 Posted 04/04/2018 at 09:03:50
I would have thought we've had enough Dutch shit at Everton to last a lifetime so we can only hope Moshiri will be a little more discerning this summer.
Technical Director ? I've shat 'em!
81 Posted 04/04/2018 at 09:21:47
The're having a pretty excellent season, aren't they? Would be strange if they fired him.
Either way it looks likely he could be coming here. We are apparently signing the Colombian left back Fabra who Brands has wanted at PSV for a while and I think could be an absolute bargain if it's true we are getting him for £4.3m
Wouldn't mind if he brought Hirving Lozano with him from the Dutch club either who looks a cracking player, though obviously its not easy to judge in that league.
82 Posted 04/04/2018 at 09:32:10
I thought we all recognised the Dutch league is the pits of Europe these days!
83 Posted 04/04/2018 at 10:11:05
I was just curious that you seemed to imply that he had been fired.
Personally, I think Walsh has done a pretty horrifying job. Our recruitment this Summer in particular was woefully directed. Brands seems to have left the clubs he's been at in a better state than when he arrived and if Frank Fabra for £4.5M is the first sign of his influence then I think it could be a step in the right direction. Chelsea were meant to be after him and that leaves a better sense than the usual staff that we are competing with the likes of West Ham and Newcastle over.
84 Posted 04/04/2018 at 11:52:42
Fonseca? Fucked up at his biggest job at Porto; now top manager in a shit league.
Shit. All of it.
85 Posted 04/04/2018 at 14:58:44
I think Koeman wrecked the club and is directly responsible for 80% of the carnage that has taken place. we are back at least 4/5 years on the project to get into top four and I am probably being over optimistic. Silva maybe... but whoever gets it needs time.
86 Posted 04/04/2018 at 17:40:17
The interesting part came when they asked him for his choice of the new manager. Without hesitation he said "British. And the best of the British is Eddie Howe."
A man who's opinion on football I have always respected, John Collins. A very intelligent man when it comes to football. It got me thinking anyway.
87 Posted 04/04/2018 at 17:46:34
Everything he said in it was very honest and spot on IMHO.
88 Posted 04/04/2018 at 17:48:13
Truth is, we're going with our gut on this. I wouldn't call any of the realistic candidates 'big name' managers, as if that matters.
I would have loved Unsworth to have been given time with the players. He was very unlucky with injuries and the lack of authority he had. he got a bit of luck back in the games you mentioned, Darren, though I would argue he made his luck by actually sending the team out to have a go. I can't see Moshiri turning to him now.
Shit league? Lots of managers of the teams above us originated from 'shit' leagues. It only seems like yesterday I was panned on here for suggesting we sign Van Dijk, Wanyama and Robertson. Apparently they weren't worth it because they came from a 'shit' league.
There are three names that keep cropping up; Fonseca, Howe and Dyche. There's things I like about all three of them. All three have a reputation for improving players. All three have potential. All three will see the job as a step up.
For me, Fonseca has done more than the other two, arguably more than Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce, without being a 'big name'. Winning a 'shit' league and then getting that team into the last 16 of the Champions League is no mean feat. More than the other two have done. And he's done it this season, not a few years ago.
If Moshiri can attract a big name that is currently achieving, brilliant. If there's others who come into the picture, let's see them.
Oh, and according to the Dutch media, Brands hasn't spoken to us, but what would they know, they're probably a 'shit' media, aren't they?
89 Posted 04/04/2018 at 18:50:52
90 Posted 04/04/2018 at 19:10:50
Sadly not glam enough for Moshiri. It's a no-brainier for me.
91 Posted 04/04/2018 at 19:14:04
92 Posted 04/04/2018 at 19:54:10
So thats Walsh replaced. Now for Allardyce .
93 Posted 04/04/2018 at 22:27:04
Imagine that, beating Man City, Napoli and Roma at home. Just not good enough, eh?
As for the comparison with Rogers, just look at the results:
Celitic: won one, lost five
Shakhtar: won four, lost two
Celtic were in a really tough group, but only beat the minnows once. Would you describe Man City and Napoli as minnows?
I'm not suggesting Fonseca is a dead-cert success, I'd argue the evidence is strong.
94 Posted 05/04/2018 at 18:28:00
Youre apologising for him before there is even a vacancy.
I did not say the teams were easy teams. You just seemed to doubt Fonseca had circled the wagons, so I gave you three very recent examples.
Ive had enough of managers who put so many behind the ball simply because they feel inferior and who think they can justify it by talking up the opposition after the game.
Oh, and your final comment in post 89... How Ironic, given Sky are breaking news from right under their noses.
95 Posted 05/04/2018 at 21:00:02
96 Posted 05/04/2018 at 23:14:56
97 Posted 06/04/2018 at 10:06:19
Modern teams don't need Managers who decide what washing powder the laundry ladies use or whether cherry blossom is better than kiwi in the boot room.
The fact is the current set up is a DoF who was a scout at his last club and a dinosaur who thinks not playing is the best way to get up to speed with the Premier League.
98 Posted 06/04/2018 at 10:29:58
Modern football is big business. The manager job is now three jobs. Most people would agree that the best british manager, certainly of the last 30 years, is Alex Ferguson. Yet, if the stories are true, and there most be some truth to what Mike "It was all me" Phelan says, then Ferguson wasn't a typical manager. It seems like he would fit in better as a Director of Football, with one massive change, namely that he selected the side.
I think the guy who picks the side should be on the training pitch, it might have worked for Fergie, but that's only because of who he was, what he had done, and everything he had achieved. He'd also put his time in on the training ground and knew what was happening.
The English fans of a certain age will struggle to accept a DoF because it makes no sense to us. The guys who will explain it best are our American friends. They do it best. It's in all of their sports. A glimpse of American Football is a glimpse of the future. I'm no fan of it myself, it seems like they have more backroom staff than most football teams have players. It's all compartmentalised. So, applying it to football, you have specialist set-piece coach, a heading coach, a defensive coach, a passing coach, a shooting coach, a technical coach, a fitness coach, a recovery (match fatigue) specialist, a medical staff, and so on.
The Americans call the Director of Football position, back office. You see the films and the Head coach (ie manager) is arguing with the General Manager (Director of Football) that he needs a certain type of player and the one he has obtained is not good enough. I bet all American Football fans would laugh at you if you suggested that the Head Coach should actually do all the duties that the General Manager does. it is a crazy system that we had, one that only makes sense if you look at it, as it was, up to the 1980s.
Sorry folks, football has moved on. It's too big, it's too complicated, and it's absolutely bat-shit crazy for us to operate a Managerial system.
Now if you steer the conversation to the topics that matter, then this is a better discussion:
1. Who is more senior - the Head Coach or the Director of Football?
2. Who has final approval on player purchases?
3. Who has final approval on player sales?
4. Who determines the style of play?
For me, the answer to each and every question is the Head Coach, and as long as it so, then I think it can work well.
99 Posted 06/04/2018 at 11:01:08
I even find the required press briefings as much of a chore to watch, as it obviously is for the coaches to endure.
Big Sam and Koeman seemed particularly underwhelmed, with Sam regularly stifling his yawns. I'd rather just have the post-match comments.
100 Posted 06/04/2018 at 11:48:13
I have read all Alex Ferguson's autobiographies and believe me there was only one man in charge at Man Utd and that was Ferguson.
What he was very clever at was appointing different first team coaches to work with him. Archie Knox, Brian Kidd, Carlos Quirez and so on. He determined what style they would play, what players would be bought and sold.
He was always at the training ground everyday before every body else. So forget all the nonsense that Phelan or anyone else was the driving force at United, Ferguson was the only man in charge. Now that's not to say that his coaches didn't spend more time on the training of players than Ferguson, but they were employed to carry out his ideas not interfere with that.
I would remind you of another great manager Brian Clough, some days Clough never turned up at the training ground. And yes he had the very able Peter Taylor to confide in in playing style and the buying and selling of players. So don't write too much into how good a manager is by the time he spends on the training pitch. But if things weren't going well then it would be Clough and Ferguson on the training ground putting it right.
I don't see what has fundamentally changed since Ferguson left, he didnt' need a director of football he bought and sold the players and some would argue he did it at the biggest club in World football. So if Ferguson at his age could do it all I see no reason why another manager would have a problem.
101 Posted 06/04/2018 at 12:10:36
As for why another manager would have a problem:
Ronald Koeman did, we brought in a Director of Football at his behest. He wanted to knock off at 4.00pm every day and get in 18 holes on the golf course. He wanted to take his wife to those fancy places in Alderley Edge not off scouting players, or meeting agents to sort out deals.
Paulo Fonseca and Marco Silva don't want to do it. Nor do Diego Simeone, Carlo Ancelotti, Thomas Tuchel, or any other of the dream names of continental managers.
That leaves Sean Dyche and Eddie Howe. But do they really operate in the David Moyes school of dinosaur football management? Also, ask yourself if the manager can really be doing his primary function of preparing the side, training the side and winning matches, if he still has another 8 hours worth of work to do every day when training finishes and the rest of the staff go home?
Fergie was not the Fergie you think he was for at least the last ten years of his career. You can see that from comments made by the players who talk about training and suddenly being surprised because there was Fergie watching them. Why would they be surprised if he's there day in and day out. Other's talk about stepping it up to impress Fergie on the training sessions when they know he'd be watching.
I called Mike Phelan, Mike "it was all me" Phelan, for the reason that I think he exaggerates. Fergie may be the greatest manager. He was not the greatest coach, he was not an innovator, and he was not a great tactician. But he would employ a guy who was. And that, Brian, is a Director of Football.
102 Posted 06/04/2018 at 12:42:10
103 Posted 06/04/2018 at 18:22:47
I agree that we desperately need to move away from the wagon-circlers. We've all had enough of them. On what I've seen, I'm not convinced Fonseca's one of them. I watched them beat Napoli, Roma and Feyenoord on my laptop and I'd love to see some of what I saw there at our place.
104 Posted 06/04/2018 at 18:35:39
You have been pleading for Rhino to get the job "before there is even a vacancy"
Paul, Fonseca or Usworth?
Hard one for you there to kick the weekend off.
105 Posted 06/04/2018 at 18:35:57
If we're bringing Brands in, we need to know his exact role is, his responsibilities, his success measures. Otherwise we'll be spreading more confusion.
106 Posted 06/04/2018 at 18:48:03
Saying someone isn't a cast-iron certain success isn't an apology before he's been appointed. I think he's the best candidate from the realistic ones that have been mentioned.
107 Posted 06/04/2018 at 18:51:07
I think time will tell that the Dutch press have been caught snoozing and losing.
Like I said. I've been watching Fonseca's sides for a long time, not just this season's Champions League games. I wont be swayed by his FA Cup tactics in a few home knock-out games.
A card-carrying wagon-circler. Not good enough, not adventurous enough, his coma-inducing Moyesiac tactics is the last thing the faithful need after the last three dead-heads
108 Posted 06/04/2018 at 18:54:48
If we're bringing Brands in, we need to know his exact role is, his responsibilities, his success measures. Otherwise we'll be spreading more confusion.”
Like we all know, Walsh's role and responsibilities, Koeman's role and responsibilities, etc etc...
Sorry, mate, what we need and want to know, and what we actually get to know, are a million miles apart.
We're just the fans, at the bottom of the information chain!
109 Posted 06/04/2018 at 20:02:20
110 Posted 07/04/2018 at 00:44:37
111 Posted 07/04/2018 at 08:47:44
Estrela Amadora (youth)
A list of clubs managed by Fonseca.
Where did you watch them (for a long time) Darren?
Apologies for repeating my earlier post Darren.
I am interested in where you watched the Fonseca "sides", and just as interesting why?
112 Posted 07/04/2018 at 21:35:07
Enough of improvising with brain dead mercenaries. Pay the next manager minimum wage with massive, performance related, bonuses.
I think as long as we can see consistent progress in style and results the majority of us will give the next manager the time to get his ideas across and get the required players to implement them.
First things first though, the tossers at board level have to go this summer. Mediocrity will no longer be accepted at Goodison. That has to be the new teams message.
113 Posted 07/04/2018 at 21:48:52
Form an orderly queue please. 😁
114 Posted 07/04/2018 at 22:10:28
Manuel Veth opinion:
“There are other clubs where Fonseca might just have to slot in and make tweaks and take over a project that is already doing quite well like he did at Shakhtar where it's evolution rather than revolution, that can be easier as there are a lot of unpopular measures that will have to take place at Everton.”
115 Posted 07/04/2018 at 22:13:26
He has done a magnificent job at Bournemouth. Anyone who watched the documentary about one of the Bournemouth staff will have seen that he is man manager out of the top drawer. He aspires to good football but is pragmatic when required.
It seems to me that the treatment of David Unsworth showed a yellow streak at the spine of our club. We would, in my view, be in a much better place had not Allardyce and his mercenary crew been appointed.Give the job to Eddie Howe. Give him time, money and support. Fonseca? Never in a million years. Give it to a man who has served his time with style, guts and integrity.
116 Posted 07/04/2018 at 22:16:08
117 Posted 07/04/2018 at 23:13:13
By the way, as a matter of interest, would you rather have Howe or Allardyce? Of course neither of them have won much but Allardyce has had a little bit longer to demonstrate how utterly inept he is.
118 Posted 07/04/2018 at 23:29:22
Not sure on him for our next manager though, to be honest.
Each to their own opinion, Andy. If Howe gets the job, I will back him 100%.
119 Posted 07/04/2018 at 23:44:47
That said, they're very, very fit and energetic as anyone with eyesight can see. It seems Howe is a mixture of determined, likeable, media-friendly but ruthless in pursuit of his dream. Like Klopp without the absurd histrionics, and very like Sean Dyche. Like Dyche he also already knows the Premier League like the back of his hand but he alone is allegedly a Blue in his heart. Hmm.
But maybe Silva and Fonseca's both got a better written CV eh, or maybe we need a DoF who can identify a consistent bright light rather than a bright spark somewhere in the dim and distant.
120 Posted 07/04/2018 at 23:47:38
121 Posted 08/04/2018 at 00:12:38
Unfortunately I have it from Burnley-based sources that the depth of Mrs Howe's home-sickness was very deep indeed and Arsenal is more likely to be his next job accordingly.
122 Posted 07/04/2018 at 00:35:25
Carrying on from that... because of the position we are in, we are not going to attract players whose first choice would be clubs who qualify for the Champions League. However there are players out there with the right attitude and character to make a positive difference; before any player is bought, this should be thoroughly explored.
We don't want or need any players whose only motivation for a move is just for money. There are such players out there they just need to be found. I realise this will all take time and patience but, if the crowd sees there is honest intent to try and play with a positive attitude, then generally they will provide the right support.
I placed a link on another thread here relating to when Ferguson won a Scottish Cup Final with Aberdeen. Although they won the Cup, Ferguson was furious about the way the team played, calling most of his players a disgrace as the standards he had instilled in them had dropped and he wouldn't have it... Now there was a winner!
123 Posted 08/04/2018 at 01:49:21
Question for the experts out there: Has every Everton manager who has won a major trophy since WW2 been a former Everton player?
124 Posted 08/04/2018 at 02:47:05
125 Posted 08/04/2018 at 08:29:34
With Arsenal only being 100 miles away from Bournemouth, that should cure his wife being homesick.
He won't be getting the Arsenal job.
126 Posted 09/04/2018 at 15:44:29
Yes, I think most fans want to see Allardyce gone but who to bring in will be subject of who's available and has the experience in the Prem. or other top leagues.
However, recent acquisitions have proved pretty fruitless so one would hope that the next one will really get this club moving.
Certainly a Sean Dyche or Eddie Howe may be the kind of guy to fit the bill but there are no guarantees no matter how much they have achieved elsewhere.
127 Posted 15/04/2018 at 19:23:10
128 Posted 16/04/2018 at 21:36:52
129 Posted 24/04/2018 at 14:17:13
Now there is another Portuguese manager which I have yet to hear about in this forum, which is, in my and of most Portuguese football fans opinion, way better than those two. I am talking about Jorge Jesus, actual manager of Sporting Lisbon.
he would need a big help in his PR image, but do believe that in England he would suffer much less than he does in Portugal, just because in England everything is about "football", and in that respect he is the man! If you manage to keep him on the pitch and training ground, he would be the man to take Everton into the next step and at least fight for a Champions League position.
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