Along with another player reported to be on Marcel Brands's shortlist, William Carvalho, Martins has filed to terminate his contract at Sporting following the attack on some of the club's players by a group of fans a few weeks ago.
That would make him a free agent and, according to The Telegraph, he is said to be interesting the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham as well as Everton.
De Ligt, meanwhile, has emerged as one of the most sought-after young defenders in the Netherlands. The 18-year-old Ajax defender was reportedly being tracked by Manchester City.
The same Telegraph article suggests that the Blues would, indeed, face significant competition for a player who could cost upwards of £50m but that they will try to leverage his agent Mino Raiola as well as Brands's knowledge of his abilities from his time at rival PSV Eindhoven.
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1 Posted 18/06/2018 at 22:43:40
Surely we could get someone for less and not one who has potential. Still feel we have dropped a ball with James Maddison, allegedly joining Leicester soon, having had a medical.
2 Posted 18/06/2018 at 22:48:26
Could the waiting mean we miss out on alternative signings in the interim? What if Carvalho and Martins hold us to ransom at the end of the saga or even accept an offer from Juve or AC Milan or any club that will be alert to a bargain.
We need to get our main signings in for the pre season . If this contractual stuff lingers on any longer look elsewhere or we could get caught with our knickers down like the Olivier Giroud farce.
3 Posted 18/06/2018 at 22:50:40
4 Posted 19/06/2018 at 00:24:19
But seriously, can we have a left-footer linked please? Watched Maguire play today on the left-side of a three- or five-man defence and he just couldn't continue the play on his left. Much like Everton 2017-18, minus the defensive blunders and lack of shots on target...
5 Posted 19/06/2018 at 02:06:59
6 Posted 19/06/2018 at 02:23:42
Didn't Brands say we have to sell some deadwood first before we can buy new players?
7 Posted 19/06/2018 at 03:34:35
8 Posted 19/06/2018 at 05:34:48
9 Posted 19/06/2018 at 06:37:13
10 Posted 19/06/2018 at 06:39:35
11 Posted 19/06/2018 at 09:23:58
Everton will probably end up with Pat Rice's son who is a pudding.
12 Posted 19/06/2018 at 09:36:52
Martins for me looks too inconsistent even for a winger and I believe the Sporting fans (Steve Ferns and Jay Woods) have warned against him.
In terms of the Sporting contract rebels Wolves have already signed Rui Patricio so it seems they are fair game for now though there will no doubt be legal wranglings down the line. Apparently Inter Milan are now favourites to sign William Carvalho.
Interesting that we have had no sales yet. The likes of Rooney, Schneiderlin, Bolasie, Williams, Mirallas etc are obviously not affected by the World Cup and yet none seem that close to moving (bar Rooney perhaps). Could it be that Silva does not want to to make any moves before getting the players out on the training pitch and seeing how they adjust to his instruction?
May be that our business comes very late in this window or that we will be looking to January window or next summer to make needed overhaul. It's a long game with this new management team I think (hope).
13 Posted 19/06/2018 at 09:44:42
14 Posted 19/06/2018 at 10:02:38
I'll get me coat.
15 Posted 19/06/2018 at 10:29:57
16 Posted 19/06/2018 at 11:40:39
Don't blame me, Mike Gaynes started it. :-))
17 Posted 19/06/2018 at 12:57:01
18 Posted 19/06/2018 at 13:04:15
"Groove is in the heart".
19 Posted 19/06/2018 at 15:42:06
De Ligt is someone I've only seen play briefly. But let's just say that his reputation alone makes him the best centre-back under 21 in the world right now. I expect the biggest clubs in the world to sign him. If we can do so, even for 㿞m, sign him up, we would double our money in no time. This lad is impressing everyone right now and will only continue to do so. 㿞m would be a sound investment.
Can we make the Sporting situation a bit clearer. To win their case, the Sporting players do not need to just prove they were attacked by fans (which they clearly where and Das Bost has the stitches to prove it) they ALSO have to prove that this was instigated by De Carvalho, the Sporting President / Chairman. Without proof of instigation by De Carvalho, just being attacked by fans should not be enough to see the contracts rescinded.
20 Posted 19/06/2018 at 16:05:37
What can Sporting do? They can argue the players are still under contract whilst the case is pending and apply for an injunction to prevent them playing for anyone else.
What can the players do? Even if they lose their case, they can appeal and the whole Bosman case took so long that Bosman himself was finished as a player by the time the case came to an end. If the case takes as long as the Bosman case, and there's no doubt that it would be an even bigger case than that, then the players contracts would have all ended.
What about European football as a whole? There's a chance this case could destroy the whole transfer market. Most clubs might not think the market is fair but I doubt many will be queuing up to take a hammer to the current system. If the likes of Real Madrid really wanted to destroy the system they could have challenged it in the courts long ago.
The reality is that all of these players will leave Sporting and the clubs will all pay a reasonable amount of compensation to keep the purchaser and Sporting reasonably happy. In other words we could get William Carvalho for around half of his reported £35m price tag, and probably about the same for Gelson Martins was considered a £40-50m player before this all happened.
But then again Sporting President De Carvalho is an absolute nutcase and he could insist on taking this matter to court, and kill the careers of the players concerned and probably the Sporting Club too.
for what it's worth, Sporting just appointed the old freekick maestro SiniÅ¡a MihajloviÄ‡ as manager and surely that indicates they want to resolve matters and concentrate on next season?
21 Posted 19/06/2018 at 17:01:28
Why not go and try and bring Stones back? He's not wanted by Man City and would definitely improve us.
22 Posted 19/06/2018 at 17:24:56
Recall Tom Hank playing Forest Gump and getting selected for his college American Football team? When his team mates and supporters yelled 'Run, Forest, Run!'? Then when he entered the touchdown zone, 'STOP! Forest STOP!'?
Martins is a bit like that. Blistering pace, not a lot of thinking going on upstairs. He may develop, but his raw pace alone doesn't cut it for me.
As for the Sporting contract question, the problem is very much the abrasive and arrogant president, Bruno de Carvalho (no relation to the player!).
He is totally indiscreet in his public statements and whilst it cannot, as Steve says, be definitely proven his comments incited the attack on Sporting players at their training camp by Sporting 'Ultras', they without doubt did influence some nutters.
Carvalho is a grade one prat! He insists on sitting on the bench alongside his manager and the subs and is never shy of sharing his tactical 'knowledge' of what needs to be done. As Steve mentions, Carvalho is a big enough nutter â€“ and narcissist â€“ to contest matters in the courts rather than meekly submit.
Any one interested in a Sporting player looking to sever his ties with the club risk getting caught up in a lot of protracted afters.
I see Carvalho is now offering to resign his post â€“ an elected one, by the supporters association â€“ before the club presidential election in a few days. Bizarrely, with the club in meltdown, losing financial assets such as the international players choosing to rip up their contracts, Carvalho still retains a lot of support among Sporting fans and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that he could be re-elected.
Caveat Emptor â€“ Buyer Beware!
23 Posted 19/06/2018 at 17:27:26
"Why not go and try and bring Stones back? He's not wanted by Man City."
Pep Guardiola seems to think differently:
24 Posted 19/06/2018 at 17:34:22
As said above the Echo suggest there is no genuine interest there. Would certainly rather have Lozano myself though that option may disappear if he continues to shine brightly in the World Cup.
25 Posted 19/06/2018 at 17:59:47
From the moment the players have walked out, the Portuguese FA will issue their international certificate to all comers. Of course, if the arbitration panel decides in favour of Sporting, someone will have to pay them compensation (officially the player, but any club signing any of the 'rebels' will probably be contractually-bound to do so themselves).
26 Posted 19/06/2018 at 18:14:46
However, that doesn't take into account the barking de Carvalho. He is the issue. He is very much someone who would resort to the courts, if only out of spite. Some players have said they would reconsider their decision if he stepped down.
The Sporting Presidential Elections (and other positions) are scheduled in four days time â€“ 23 June.
If de Carvalho hasn't already stepped down before then, and if as I wrote he gets re-elected (he still retains a great deal of support among some of the fan base who have a vote), then if I was a player and victim of the fans' assault and de Carvalho's public abuse, I too would want out.
The Portuguese Football Federation may well have rules in place rules to apply in this scenario. They cannot prevent either de Carvalho, the Sporting Club or the players from pursuing their democratic right and taking out litigation of their own through the courts.
27 Posted 19/06/2018 at 18:20:39
As for recourse to courts and democratic rights, both the Portuguese league, representing the clubs, and the players union, have agreed that the arbitration panel should decide on these matters. Arbitration rules, as you may know, generally preclude further appeal to courts.
28 Posted 19/06/2018 at 18:27:03
Rui Patricio may have signed for Wolves, but they know they may have to pay compensation and would be prepared to do so. Whether Sporting will take out an injunction on stopping him playing for Wolves until the matter is resolved is the question. I believe it would be very easy for Sporting to get such an injunction, whilst the matter is resolved of course, and it would be easy to clog this up in legal process for art least 3 years. Of course that is all extremely expensive, so as always it comes down to money and Sporting do not have much, and so the Premier League sides are likely to win the day.
Edit: David, you cannot preclude a right of appeal. There's a long list of lawyers who profess they can take down the football transfer system. It's not built on the most secure of foundations. This matter will run and run unless all parties act swift to reach an agreement.
29 Posted 19/06/2018 at 18:38:44
I did not have the CAS in mind, but the Portuguese arbitration panel. And yes, arbitration awards are legally binding on both sides. English law differs slightly on this from normal international practice, but I didn't have English law in mind when writing this (although I confess to not being and expert on Portuguese law).
30 Posted 19/06/2018 at 18:46:56
Ultimately, you are confusing a transfer tribunal which determines transfer values to a complex case that could effectively bring down the whole European Transfer system, CAS would certainly kick this one to the courts and it would go through several layers and reach the highest court in Europe, The European Court of Justice (ECJ).
Do you not think Bosman's case went through a number of tribunals that were legally binding? It doesn't matter, because these tribunals are not legally binding and can always by easily taken to courts.
Edit: For any interested, those legally binding Parking Fine courts can also be appealed. Don't get put off by the small print. You can appeal it.
31 Posted 19/06/2018 at 18:54:28
And I am not confusing this arbitration panel with a transfer tribunal.
32 Posted 19/06/2018 at 19:02:09
The parallel to the Bosman one is very, very real. The whole transfer system will come crashing down soon or later, there's plenty of lawyers out there who say they can do it, they just need a client with deep enough pockets.
33 Posted 19/06/2018 at 19:04:44
34 Posted 19/06/2018 at 19:14:39
The transfer system balances delicately on an agreement made that re-established the transfer system in 2001. Many lawyers question this agreement. The European Commision said after the Bosman case:
“International transfer systems based on arbitrarily calculated fees that bear no relation to training costs should be prohibited, regardless of the nationality of the player and whether the transfer takes place during or at the end of the contractual period.â€
We've been waiting for a serious challenge ever since Anelka threatened to take his transfer to the courts in 2006. No one has had the money or appetite. Once someone does the system is in serious danger of coming crashing down. It all comes down to how much of a fight De Carvalho puts up, and whether Sporting can accept a payment for Martins who has a £53m release clause.
35 Posted 19/06/2018 at 19:17:43
36 Posted 19/06/2018 at 19:22:02
Most contracts state that the legal system with jurisprudence is England and Wales. Perhaps, the Sporting players say Portugal. E&W is far more likely. Switzerland is very unlikely.
The ECJ can decide on this case if someone does not accept the ruling and wants to appeal. It can go all the way up the chain, just like Bosman's little case. That was a very uncomplicated and easy issue and it became massive and very complicated. It always does when you want to change your argument to make it better.
37 Posted 19/06/2018 at 19:28:42
And yes, moving the goal posts can be rather tiresome.
38 Posted 19/06/2018 at 19:32:22
Go to RAWK â€“ latest debate is on best knob on Love Island.
39 Posted 19/06/2018 at 19:35:47
If not our legal system, then it's portugal. And no one stipulates Switzerland as the jurisprudence.
The issue would be determined by the laws of the European Union.
The only reason it wouldn't is if the loser lacks the appetite (financial ability) to go to the next level.
40 Posted 19/06/2018 at 19:41:11
41 Posted 19/06/2018 at 19:50:20
Let's say we are talking about Martins cancelling his contract and joining Everton. Sporting lose in the tribunal. They can then sue the player for breach of contract in their local courts. Everton would have to then go across and argue the Court does not have authority. There would then be an application to dismiss the case. Sporting lose again. They then appeal to a higher court, and Everton then again get the case dismissed for lack of Jurisprudence. Eventually, the case ends up in the European Courts and they do have jurisprudence and so are forced to hear the case. There is no way they are bound by a lowly tribunal. There are many, many layers to go through.
It costs a lot of money, and so it is unlikely Sporting would spend so much money going through the courts to do so. Everton may decide it is not worth the cost or time, especially if Sporting are granted an injunction to stop the payer playing for us.
It is so easy for a rich person or rich corporation to abuse legal process in this manner, and eventually they will find an argument, or an angle as the case develops.
42 Posted 19/06/2018 at 19:50:38
43 Posted 19/06/2018 at 19:54:34
They left alone the major transfers, because there is simply too much money involved. But legal commentators were all saying the whole transfer system has no legal basis. Many of them were saying that it will get brought down, it's just a question of who will do it, and mainly why.
44 Posted 19/06/2018 at 19:59:56
45 Posted 19/06/2018 at 20:03:16
46 Posted 19/06/2018 at 20:26:54
47 Posted 19/06/2018 at 20:32:36
48 Posted 19/06/2018 at 20:39:45
49 Posted 19/06/2018 at 20:47:11
50 Posted 19/06/2018 at 20:57:41
It might actually help kids who are trying to make their way in the game.It might force the clubs, to give longer contracts to the younger players, which might just help give them the confidence, as well as more time, to develop?
51 Posted 19/06/2018 at 20:59:21
52 Posted 19/06/2018 at 21:15:29
Maybe Moshiri, is trying to get ahead of the game (with regards to Rianola) because, if transfers do get abolished, then as I've said, I'm sure it's just going to give these super agents even more power.
I wonder how Jean Marc Bosman, is doing now? Because he's probably responsible for making more millionaires than anyone else on the planet, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's skint!
53 Posted 19/06/2018 at 21:22:37
Bosman, well read all about him now.
54 Posted 19/06/2018 at 21:29:24
Jack Wilshere has just confirmed he will leave on a Bosman. (How apt, Tony!)
55 Posted 19/06/2018 at 21:43:24
Given that situation I believe it would be no-brainer not to attempt some kind of a deal to bring Wilshere to Goodison Park.
Yes. he does get injured but after returning for the Gooners last season he was really excellent and for Southgate to leave him out of the England squad after what we witnessed yesterday was downright criminal.
Quality players like him don't become available everyday so the club should make a serious approach for him.
56 Posted 19/06/2018 at 21:43:56
Footballers were doing alright before Bosman, just like agents are doing alright now, but imagine the money these vultures are going to be earning if transfer fees are ever abolished. No-one could ever have envisaged 𧴜 Million footballers when Bosman helped change the face of football forever.
The only thing I like about the modern game is that the pitches are so much better!
57 Posted 19/06/2018 at 21:50:21
58 Posted 19/06/2018 at 21:55:42
59 Posted 19/06/2018 at 22:19:24
It can't be long for this modern world and I believe we shall soon see contracts of one season's length only.
Trouble is, I've left it a bit late to get my agent's licence â€“ if such things are still necessary !!!
60 Posted 19/06/2018 at 23:19:36
61 Posted 19/06/2018 at 23:21:52
Sure is boring waiting for something to happen while other clubs are snapping up players; we are Everton, slower than a stoned sloth with asthma.
62 Posted 20/06/2018 at 00:30:00
What I can't see is how anyone would propose replacing the current system. A contract is a contract, and that's a basic tenet of law. I don't know how it could be claimed that it is illegal for clubs to ask whatever money they want in order to release players from their contracts.
63 Posted 20/06/2018 at 00:52:38
Since most of what we read and hear is rumour and paper talk, and I can only see the occasional transfer that has actually happened with a Premier League team (nothing earth-shattering).
I would much rather allow our new management team time to assess what players we already have before rushing into trying to sign somebody whom we may not need just because Peter Thistle is bored..
64 Posted 20/06/2018 at 02:09:00
㿀m? Bargain lads. It's a deal, it's a steal, it's sale of the effing century, in fact he's so good we think we might keep him!
Nah go on, you twisted our arms.
65 Posted 20/06/2018 at 02:23:15
66 Posted 20/06/2018 at 02:47:10
Wilshere on a 2-year contract, with another 2 years 'rolling'. Wages related to fitness and certain requirements (weight, smoking, performance).
He could still be a top quality creative midfielder, we have zero creative midfielders. Gueye, Wilshere, Sigurdsson in the middle with competition from Baningime, Davies, Dowell, Williams and maybe one signing. Sales of Klaassen, Schneiderlin, Besic, McCarthy, and Rooney.
67 Posted 20/06/2018 at 03:21:27
If we pay way too much for an 18-year-old centre-back, surely the witty Goodison faithful can craft a song for the boy?
Right, Dermot @18?
68 Posted 20/06/2018 at 03:31:55
69 Posted 20/06/2018 at 04:28:28
Sporting Lisbon are a mess; I'm not surprised Everton are being linked. Players on holiday and the World Cup slowing down decisions.
I don't expect Everton will sign many players anyway and Brands will be working hard (as he expected) to offload players, which will be difficult. I'm glad Rooney was spooked to get on his bike early. . .
A lot of media speculation as usual and agents trying to catch big mugs with money. I hope Moshiri is on holiday.
70 Posted 20/06/2018 at 04:47:01
Given the number of young central defenders we've sent out on loan, would this bloke really get a game?
71 Posted 20/06/2018 at 05:44:25
He is 6'-2", and has got legs like Johnny Morrisey, shoulders like Sivan Distin. He is very strong and mobile, can tackle, head the ball, shoot, and bring the ball out of defence. My kind of footballer.
72 Posted 20/06/2018 at 06:06:39
73 Posted 20/06/2018 at 07:51:09
74 Posted 20/06/2018 at 09:00:05
75 Posted 20/06/2018 at 09:36:36
He's certainly tidy is possession but in terms of actually creating chances I'd say he's decent but nowhere near top quality (Ozil, De Bruyne, Fabregas, Eriksen etc)
In his 22 starts and 5 sub appearances at Bournemouth a few years ago he managed no goals and only 2 assists.
I think on the right deal (fitness dependent etc) he could be an asset to the team but I'm not certain he'd be a nailed on starter. He'd be behind Sigurdsson to be creative playmaker I reckon though perhaps he could play the box to box role? Or even the deeper sitting 6 at a push? I think he'll end up somewhere where he's virtually guaranteed to be starting every week.
76 Posted 20/06/2018 at 09:45:48
I think he'd be better for Bournemouth as he suits their style and system and it's closer to home. He also has all those injury issues, and he's not got long left at the top in his career. He'd command at least £100k a week, and he's just too big a risk for me. After the Rooney failure, it's not a risk worth taking.
77 Posted 20/06/2018 at 11:24:06
Remember Liverpool, sending Mcmanaman to Barcelona, and although no transfer took place, the kid then realised that if he saw out his contract, he would be free to leave for nothing?
My own view, is that the player had never thought about leaving until this happened? Liverpool put the idea into his head, and by seeing out his contract, and signing for Madrid, with no fee involved, then I'm sure McManaman, made a few million quid overnight?
Football suits the biggest teams, or clubs who have got the most money. Why pay an astronomical transfer fee, when you can just give the player a contract worth more money, to that said individual?
Things change, there's always changes, and the greedy players, getting pushed on by these money for nothing manipulators, are only going to get greedier, simply because it's one of the biggest human traits.
If Bosman, is telling the truth, he never envisaged the monster that has been created, and whilst I agree the present system looks okay, we all know money ruins everything!
78 Posted 20/06/2018 at 12:33:24
His situation reminds me of Peter Reid, bit of a crock at the time of transfer but had all the abilities when sound.
79 Posted 20/06/2018 at 13:39:05
The only thing is his fitness, but again allegedly, his injury problems are supposed to be behind him, not sure how they can say that.
80 Posted 20/06/2018 at 14:27:11
I can't forget one time when he was playing for England with Barkley (probably the only time), it was so obvious he was Not Going To Pass To Barkley, even though Ross got himself into great positions; so in my eyes, he's clearly not a team player.
Also, one of these days he is surely going to bite his own tongue off.
81 Posted 20/06/2018 at 14:27:42
82 Posted 20/06/2018 at 14:40:26
83 Posted 20/06/2018 at 14:51:50
84 Posted 20/06/2018 at 15:42:39
Only seems to plod along spraying 5-yard passes! He does not appear to have the engine even for a deep sitting defensive midfielder in the Premier League.
The lad Martins did not offer anything either; however, in Marco we trust!
85 Posted 20/06/2018 at 16:03:43
Silva seems to have no fear of playing young guys as long as they do the business on the training ground which is music to my ears (not being ageist as I love to see a 32-year-old get his just rewards for efforts in training also!).
Anyway would like to know what you guys think of Rice?
86 Posted 20/06/2018 at 17:21:37
As for Wilshere, apart from his constant injuries, he has no discipline, and I agree with Roy Keane, the most overrated player on the planet.
Martin Berry @78, his situation reminds you of 'Peter Reid'?, I hope you're having a laugh, I wouldn't even compare him to Ross Barkley.
87 Posted 20/06/2018 at 17:39:38
88 Posted 20/06/2018 at 17:59:49
Injury prone, 26-year-old who smokes. He doesn't need nurturing â€“ he needs a huge kick up the arse.
89 Posted 20/06/2018 at 18:47:14
Why do only we fans (and some footie manager games...) see that some players are permanent sick-notes even if they switch clubs? I love James McCarthy when he's in a working condition, but when could he last string 10 games together without being out for at least the same amount of time?
I want our physios to work on normal casualties, not on players arriving with pre-made lists of treatments from their former physios... JMcC got there with us, I admit, but we've bought so much damaged crockery over the years! Did any of those work out? Did anyone notice the names to tell us, compared to who failed?
90 Posted 20/06/2018 at 18:58:35
Not comparing the players' ability as Reidy is my fave Everton player... Just thinking how injured players once straight can flourish as did Peter, nobody wanted him with having two broken legs!
91 Posted 20/06/2018 at 19:49:46
A 26-year old who still is on "potential". Christ, I want Besic gone (about to turn 26). But I'd rather give our own sick-note a go than sign this paycheck collector Wilshere. Besic will never be good enough, but at least tries.
Be interesting times at Arsenal, after all these years of Wenger. Even with him, they've slowly slid down the Table.
Emery's first working thru the 38-game slugfest he's about to experience.
And, despite all the cash they rake in, Kroenke's view of what a transfer budget should be.
If Silva can put a Team together (Which I think he can. We do have talent), no reason Everton can't finish ahead of the Gunners.
92 Posted 21/06/2018 at 08:15:24
93 Posted 21/06/2018 at 09:01:19
I have been banging on for months about how we should sign Loftus-Cheek. Mind, I think a good World Cup and Sarri might want to have a look at him for himself assuming he gets the Chelsea job.
94 Posted 21/06/2018 at 09:17:45
Come to think of it Drinkwater might be an interesting option for a new No 6. Hard worker and has a great passing range as witnessed in Leicester's title win.
95 Posted 21/06/2018 at 09:52:40
96 Posted 21/06/2018 at 09:56:35
Whatever you think of him, Moshiri will have learned a lesson and may be far more cautious this time round.
I rather think this year's 'scoops' will be of a more modest nature â€“ both in quality (supposed) and price!
97 Posted 21/06/2018 at 10:08:13
I'd have the other sub, Rashford, in a heartbeat too.
98 Posted 21/06/2018 at 10:10:42
99 Posted 21/06/2018 at 10:34:56
100 Posted 23/06/2018 at 20:35:47
101 Posted 23/06/2018 at 21:04:00
102 Posted 23/06/2018 at 21:25:27
103 Posted 24/06/2018 at 09:04:57
104 Posted 24/06/2018 at 09:14:44
Perhaps we could do a buy 3 get 1 free deal with Chelsea:
Says a lot that those 4 players who are on the fringes for Chelsea would probably all go straight into our first team!
105 Posted 24/06/2018 at 09:25:23
So he'd be the quickest in the squad if we signed him. Which there's zero indication we will.
106 Posted 24/06/2018 at 11:05:43
A real shame that we made such a hash last summer, as with some thought there are gettable players â€“ Loftus-Cheek, Wilshere, Zouma, the Mexican lad if we had pulled our fingers out etc.
107 Posted 24/06/2018 at 11:50:32
Whatever miracles Silva is able to perform with last season's very averagely performing squad, he will need to bring in three or four new additions if we are only to improve on our points total.
None of the names being put forward as likely and realistic targets are exactly inspiring or promise other than more of the same. Hence, the likes of Lofthus-Cheek, Ratchford and Zouma can be written off as beyond us, ie, too good for Everton. Really, what have we come to?
108 Posted 24/06/2018 at 12:00:54
We've "borrowed" from Chelsea before (after the player involved had spent a season on loan at WBA) and that loan turned into a very successful permanent move!
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