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Are Everton gambling with proposed 52,000 Bramley-Moore Stadium capacity?

Lyndon Lloyd Thursday, 10 January, 2019 15comments  |  Jump to most recent
Gavin Buckland argues that the club are effectively positioning themselves outside the current Premier League model with a capacity significantly greater, not less than, the supporters who potentially want to watch us every week. In setting this challenging target capacity and combined with a £500m investment in the first place, the Board are displaying massive ambition whichever way you look at it.

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Dennis Stevens
1 Posted 11/01/2019 at 01:01:33
Reads like it's written by a Kopite. Maybe the proposed new stadium is of concern to them.
Simon Smith
2 Posted 11/01/2019 at 01:43:34
I agree, Dennis.

Surely our owners look at current season-ticket holders, plus our growing waiting list, and make a good calculated decision.

I don't think 52 thousand is over the top, especially if the pricing of the tickets is done correctly.

40,000 season tickets, 5,000 away fans and only 7,000 left for general sale, doesn't seem too extreme.

Clarence Yurcan
3 Posted 11/01/2019 at 02:36:48
I'll certainly come in from the States. When I was at Goodison in 2014, I told the concession guy pouring me a Chang, "By the next time I'm back here, there'll be a new stadium."
Vinny Garstrokes
4 Posted 11/01/2019 at 08:19:41
A friend of mine is a marketing manager who has just been on a tour of the new Spurs stadium. He has visited many sporting and entertainment venues in his career, and while he is not usually one to enthuse about things related to his job, he said that he was absolutely blown away by what he had seen and says if those involved in the Kings Dock project can deliver anything even close to what THFC have, we will be in a very good place.
Mick Roberts
5 Posted 11/01/2019 at 15:27:23
I agree, 52,000 is a realistic capacity; we will fill the seats no problem, then look at extending. Better than going all in and having empty seats. Nothing worse barring watching the dross we are playing at the moment...

Ah well, Up the Toffees!!

John Raftery
6 Posted 11/01/2019 at 22:58:09
Dennis (#1), I can assure you Gavin is not a Kopite. Far from it. He is our club's official statistician!
Anthony Murphy
7 Posted 12/01/2019 at 15:08:50
If he works for the club, then it’s a worry as the man is clueless.
Brian Williams
8 Posted 12/01/2019 at 15:14:30
For fuck's sake.... we're not back on the Kings Dock project, are we? That Bramley-Moore Dock didn't last long. 😁😁😁😁
Richard Reeves
9 Posted 12/01/2019 at 16:35:48
These are the sort of comments by someone you would expect to be on the Everton payroll. The proposed capacity is small-time thinking and most of us know it although there will be some of the more easily influenced who will change their opinion on a bigger capacity and agree with this article, no doubt.
Michael Kenrick
10 Posted 12/01/2019 at 16:52:40
For a statistician, it's very poor logic. Basically, Everton don't exhibit a significant excess of supporters to justify even 52k — because the number currently expressing interest in watching games at Goodison Park falls well below this figure.

Takes no account of the artificial limit on demand created by a ground that is currently way smaller than 52k. And the fact that it's almost full every week — despite something like 4k of obstructed views. And very few walk-up opportunities anymore. With far better ticket exchange through StubHub and internet-based forums like ours that never used to exist.

And frankly the incredible level of loyalty considering the mediocrity currently on display. Just imagine the demand if we were actually playing decent exciting winning football! No doubt Butland would cite poor crowd stats from the last time we were doing that — in the '80s — when the circumstances were worlds away from where we are now — or where we aspire to be in ~5 years from now.

Build it, and they will come. Shameful nonsense from Gavin Butland.

Dermot Byrne
11 Posted 12/01/2019 at 16:52:53
Does 52,000 with a design that allows further expansion seem a no-brainer?

Does to me

Anthony Murphy
12 Posted 12/01/2019 at 17:15:52
What Michael said

Why the club (and others) continually fail to take into account the number of fans without a season ticket or not currently on the waiting list is beyond stupid.

Look. Goodison as an ‘experience' just isn't going to do it for some anymore. The shit concourse facilities, the cramped conditions, the pissy lager, the shit fanzone, the bogs etc etc etc. The point I'm making is that there are large numbers of dedicated blues (never mind new fans or potential corporate match goers) who will jump on board when season tickets are released for Bramley-Moore Dock. We will see unprecedented demand, especially if we are on an upward curve on the pitch and prices are kept fairly reasonable.

Gary Gibson
13 Posted 14/01/2019 at 00:54:37
The red who wrote this piece sees us as just another Bournemouth or Southampton. We have a season ticket waiting list of 15,000 FFS.
Paul Kossoff
14 Posted 16/01/2019 at 15:32:27
Fans' groups have welcomed Everton's contingency plans for safe-standing areas in their new stadium that could increase its capacity by 10,000.

The Toffees are expected to submit proposals for their £500m Bramley-Moore Dock Stadium later in 2019.

The venue will initially house 52,000 seats, but that could increase if the government permits safe standing.

Rob Marsh
15 Posted 28/01/2019 at 22:55:46
There's something of house shill nature about these comments from Mr Butland.

52k is very do-able, some of us want more and he says you really should be happy with much less, EFC chime in and say don't worry we really should give you 44k but we'll give you 52k – aren't we nice!

We all sigh with relief and suddenly become happy with 52k – our adjusted expectations met.

I wonder what dark corner of a swanky restaurant the meeting between Mr Butland and EFC took place?

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