Transfer Deadline DayThe January transfer window closed at 11pm this evening but very little happened at Everton with three players leaving on loan.
In what was the quietest window in years, the Blues kept their powder dry, with Marcel Brands, a noted sceptic of trading players during January, electing to save his moves for the summer.
The potential for a loan move, most likely for a midfielder, had been mooted but nothing came of all the speculation.
Cenk Tosun's temporary switch to Crystal Palace and Antony Evans's permanent transfer to SC Paderborn were the only transfers completed coming into the day but Morgan Feeney's loan move to Tranmere and Lewis Gibson's loan to Fleetwood Town for the remainder of the season have now been officially announced.
Brands had been hoping to shift one or both of Oumar Niasse and Cuco Martina before the deadline but both look set to see out their contracts at Everton unless a suitor from a country where the transfer window closes later can be found.
An approach by Celtic to take Anthony Gordon for the rest of the season was reportedly rebuffed.
In a late-breaking development, Huddersfield Town took Jonas Lössl back on loan until the summer.
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1 Posted 31/01/2020 at 07:22:18
The club seems to be unable to display due diligence when buying players. And also seems to be unable to judge their own players.
2 Posted 31/01/2020 at 07:34:28
3 Posted 31/01/2020 at 07:40:23
Mike Gaynes will be even more gutted over Antonee Robinson, if the Italian £10-11M offer materialises, and as Jonathan above said we undervalue our own players too often.
Had hoped that Antony Evans would have made it through to the first-team squad but time will tell if that decision was right or wrong.
Glad to see that Lewis Gibson has signed an extension, before going on loan to Joey Barton's Fleetwood, alongside Calum Connolly, and Morgan Feeney to Tranmere too.
I always look to see how our lads do at these Clubs, as it can often be a good barometer, to see if they will cut it in playing regularly for a League side, although there are always the odd late developers. Realistically there will always be the odd one or two (John Lundstram, Gerard Deulofeu) that slip through the net, but we can't keep them all.
Pity we can't offload Martina and Niasse, but there is still time, for two players who should never have been bought in the first place. It's through the idiocy of previous Saboteurs that see us in the dangers of breaching FFP Rules, such a waste of Club money with these sort of purchases.
4 Posted 31/01/2020 at 07:55:23
Hoping for a midfielder, Wanyama at Spurs available for £8M? Always thought he looked a good player.
Failing that, a centre-back, allowing Mason to play in midfield.
5 Posted 31/01/2020 at 08:06:45
I am fine with no incomings in all other positions, but centre-back worries me. That said, our luck has held for the first half of the season (at centre-back anyway).
6 Posted 31/01/2020 at 08:10:46
Iwobi back tomorrow and Gomes in a few weeks. They'll be like new signings.
7 Posted 31/01/2020 at 08:18:27
We can probably recall one of our two loanee centre backs in case of injury.
8 Posted 31/01/2020 at 08:22:11
Wanyama is a good player but injury-prone and we've also had/have too many of them.
9 Posted 31/01/2020 at 08:32:52
I trust Carlo to sort us out and fully expect a barrage of new sponsorship deals in the summer from Usmanov-related businesses to bring in some money to support his summer's spending.
Although, this being Everton, it wouldn't surprise me to find we have run out of money, not putting any more in, and selling Richarlison to stay afloat.
10 Posted 31/01/2020 at 08:37:05
One error after another in the transfer market.
11 Posted 31/01/2020 at 08:44:51
12 Posted 31/01/2020 at 08:45:06
13 Posted 31/01/2020 at 08:51:21
However, there is no guarantee that his good form for Wigan will continue in Italy. The two leagues are polar opposites so all the wailing may be a tad premature.
14 Posted 31/01/2020 at 09:01:58
We're snookered with FFP, then a player we let go for £1 million gets sold for £10 million. I remember a lot of us at the time being amazed that we let our promising reserves go for £1 million when Liverpool can fetch £10 to £20million for some of theirs.
Unfortunately, If this is Brands, then he's starting to rack up a few questionable decisions – such as Delph, Iwobi and now Robinson. (Although Iwobi has time to prove me wrong...)
15 Posted 31/01/2020 at 09:04:07
16 Posted 31/01/2020 at 09:07:18
i can't see him staying beyond that, to be honest.
17 Posted 31/01/2020 at 09:13:50
18 Posted 31/01/2020 at 09:17:04
19 Posted 31/01/2020 at 09:19:22
Who mentioned Lookman? We did well getting rid for the amount we did.
20 Posted 31/01/2020 at 09:22:40
Keep the powder dry and the funds in the bank for the summer.
Organise a proper preseason, get the players fit and let's get our transfer targets in early if possible, no last-minute Zaha and Zouma chases like last season, thank you.
No excuses for the 2020-21 season, we have to get it right and start the rebuild. Let's get the foundations right.
21 Posted 31/01/2020 at 09:32:28
In terms of this window, I think we have seen the combination of past misjudgements and FFP come back to haunt us. We are close to our limit in terms of spending and, as we mainly faffed a load of money on overpaid older players, we are struggling to recoup anything. Let this be a warning to the many on here who say "it doesn't matter what age they are" or "it's not our money".
Perhaps if we were pushing for top 4 or relegation then they would find a way to make it work but, ensconced firmly in mid-table, it seems we may be set for another 8th to 11th finish. A shame as I think there have been some really intersting and good value moves made in this window already:
Haaland to Dortmund for £19m is an absolute snip. Minamino to Liverpool for £7m will prove excellent value. Kulusevski to Juve for £30m is a very good player I believe. Diego Demme is a very able central midfielder who cost Napoli just £10m. Reinier Jesus was obviously a player we were linked with who could be a the next galactico at Madrid. Dani Olmo is an excellent playmaker that I think Leipzig have got a bargain for at £17m. Flamengo have also struck a bargain getting Jay Wood's favourite 'Gabigol' for only £14m. Bruno Guimaraes looks a very complete midfielder (the sort we badly lack) and has moved to Lyon for only £17m. I think Daniel Podence looks a very interesting winger and is decent value for Wolves at £17m and Sander Berge, who many think of being the one of the best young central midfielders around, has been something of a coup for Sheffield United at £22m. Maybe the deal I'm most jealous of is Bayer getting the talented young Exequiel Palacios for just £15m.
Lots of great deals being done and a lot of good central midfielders which is a position we surely need to strengthen in. Either Brands has set targets who are not available yet, or we are limited by FFP, or a combination of both.
22 Posted 31/01/2020 at 09:38:40
23 Posted 31/01/2020 at 09:50:21
More seriously I was a little surprised we let him go in the summer. Having seen him in the under 23s and in a couple of pre-season games he seemed to possess many of the qualities, such as pace and power, required of the modern fullback. There was a question mark about the quality of his crosses into the area but given his age and inexperience that was surely something which could have been worked on.
24 Posted 31/01/2020 at 09:51:29
Any little bit of form and we'll be ale to get into Europe.
Yet many people seem to believe we should avoid the Europe League so we can have a proper pop at top-4 next year.
Guess what, we've been saying that year after year after year and it is not happening.
Even if we do get 4th, then what?
We stand no chance in the Champions league quality wise and have no chance as we are not used at all to play extra games. We barely play more then 42 games a season nowadays.
Spurs did well in the Europe League for a few years and when they went into the Champions League, they were better ranked because of it and were already used to playing the extra games.
I am sick and tired of ' next season we'll do this and that....'.
I want to get back on those planes and travel the continent, asap.
It's the only "success" we've had for 25 years and if that is the best we can do for now, let's try to actually do it.
Why wait until the summer to rebuild and aim to qualify for Europe next season when we can actually do it now??
Make no mistake, rebuilding will be a lot easier if we can offer European football to a few potential signings.
25 Posted 31/01/2020 at 09:57:38
26 Posted 31/01/2020 at 10:01:18
27 Posted 31/01/2020 at 10:07:58
Anyways this kind of thing happens all the time it's not like it's exclusive to us. It's impossible to know how a player will turn out and sometimes you have to make decisions at that moment that may come back to bite you.
28 Posted 31/01/2020 at 10:13:37
Ive seen conflicting reports. Some say £1.3m and a % of sale, whilst others say £3m. No way have Wigan coughed up
If we get a percentage, then the Robinson to Milan transfer is the best thing that could have happened for us, as opposed to him being crap and us never getting a penny.
29 Posted 31/01/2020 at 10:19:30
30 Posted 31/01/2020 at 10:30:29
A push for the Europa league is the first target, our last participation was an embarrasment. If we fluked the CL then we would be soundly thrashed every game. Imagine a mdifield of Siggi and Sideways against Barca.
Tomorrow is a big game and hopefully the break would have allowed Carlo some time to teach the players the differnce between the coccyx and the humerus.
31 Posted 31/01/2020 at 10:31:26
32 Posted 31/01/2020 at 10:32:52
33 Posted 31/01/2020 at 10:36:30
34 Posted 31/01/2020 at 10:55:02
IF, and its a massive IF, we were indeed to fluke our way into the CL there is no way Siggy and Schneids would be on the pitch at Barca. Getting in the CL would transform our buying power in an instant.
But its not going to happen this year. Its a chicken and egg scenario. We cant attract CL class players if were not in the CL and we cant (likely) get into the CL without CL class players.
The big hope we have at the moment is Carlo Ancelloti.
35 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:00:07
36 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:02:16
37 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:03:00
38 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:05:49
39 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:13:00
40 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:16:02
41 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:19:21
42 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:22:55
I don't think releagtion is punishemnt they can hand out but that is neither here nor there. There is more than one way to rebuild a squad other than ship everyone out and buy new.
43 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:26:07
Robinson is an unfortunate one but these things happen. Derek mentioned Delefeu but wasnt he bought back by Barça under the terms of the deal through which we bought him and we had no choice in the matter?
The whole transfer window is very quiet and like others mention Id prefer to sit tight for now unless there is a decent loan out there. We have been badly stung with Walcott, Tosun and Niasse in January windows and dont want to create more problems for ourselves. Let Carlo get to work on Iwobi and Gomes and see how our midfield,looks by the end of the season.
44 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:31:00
45 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:31:05
Slag the club when they deserve it but some live to slag the club.
46 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:34:59
47 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:35:21
Has anyone actually seen any calculations of what we can still spend, or of what we should recoup or are we assuming we're in trouble based on only this years loss? I must have missed that.
In that case I assume we'll ditch Sportpesa a year early, as indicated somwehat by the lady on our board. Megafon with megabucks to come in?
48 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:36:43
49 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:40:47
Thats why they are buying one.
Is Robinson as good as Lucas Digne?
Does Lucas Digne play for Everton?
Would Robinson have started ahead of Lucas Digne this season?
50 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:43:50
51 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:44:35
Bowen and Soucek will be a success at West Ham. Bowen has been a stand out player in a relatively poor side for a couple of years.
Signings typical of Moyes and good value. Measured investments rather than blowing millions on players whove had a crack at the elite teams and never really convinced.
52 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:53:59
Will we have to spend money on an average squad player?
Did we have someone who could potentially have beens understudy?
Did we get a decent amount of money for him considering his potential and international status?
Should have sent him on loan again.
53 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:54:54
To put it short our wage turnover is at around 85%, this year saw record losses of around £100 Million, the season before I think we were £30 Million up with a turnaround over 3 years of not exceeding £109 Million debt to keep us inline with ffp.
We may get Niasse off the wage bill today, if not then in the summer along with Martina and possibly Tosun.
We will struggle to bring in any big signings, maybe a loan.
However in the summer we should have a little more breathing space.
One thing is for sure, we must get whatever we can off the wage bill, the freeloaders, anything we manage in outgoings today is a bonus,but our wages on players are killing our ffp and outgoings on fringe players is a must.
54 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:59:24
55 Posted 31/01/2020 at 11:59:57
56 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:08:09
As far as FFP rules are concerned, the rules are fairly basic if you make losses of £105 million over a 3 year period you will fall foul of FFP rules. So it doesnt take an accountant to work out that unless we get some of our most expensive players out the door or either get ways to increase our income via sponsorship we will have very little money to spend now or in the summer.
This must be really concerning for Ancelotti, as he will know more than anyone this squad as it stands isn't good enough to challenge the top 4/6.
Although the club are saying that they are nowhere near breaching FFP rules, it seems the figures doesn't back up that statement. My worry is that if we do break the FFP rules as City have done in the past with only having to pay a fine. I could well see the Premier league using a different punishment if it was Everton who transgressed the FFP rules. I worry they would adopt a similar punishment to what the RFU handed to Saracens, which was originally a 35 point deduction, and because they were found to be in breach of rules again they have been relegated.
Now I am sure that the powers that be at Everton are well aware of the sanctions that could be imposed if they break the FFP rules. So I think the summer will be a very interesting period.
57 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:09:49
Robinson is being bought in, at best, as his understudy. Perhaps he could have been Digne's understudy as Baines is almost done. Imagine we may have to buy another LB this summer as don't see any of the youngsters making a strong claim currently.
58 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:13:20
Never anything but frustrating being a Blue is it?
59 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:19:00
60 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:19:56
A brilliant attacking full back, yes. But they are seeking to play him in a more advanced position given his defensive limitations. The same limitations that prevented any progress at Madrid.
Better than Digne?
@52 Kevin. You cant just keep loaning people out in the hope that theyll come good. Petrified that they will come good elsewhere.
He wasnt going to play for us this season. End of. £2m was the going rate at that time for him, obviously. Otherwise Milan wouldve paid £3m then and saved themselves £7m
We did that with another left back. Keeping him on our books for huge money too, Luke Garbutt.
61 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:20:22
62 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:22:33
I am pretty sure though some will still be glued to sky transfer Day and expecting huge incomings which is not going to happen.
The best we can hope for is a loan signing and some outgoings, Niasse to Burnley will be the best bit of business for us, if it goes through.
63 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:23:04
64 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:24:55
So if we got £2m was it for him (some say £3m), plus £1.2m from his sale from Wigan to Milan it doesn't seem too bad to my eyes.
Shame we can't look into the future and even more of a shame that we don't know all the ins and outs of his sale to Wigan in the first place.
If Evertonians are up in arms over this how must Chelsea fans have felt when we sold Lukaku for £76m (plus addons) after only paying £28m for him?
65 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:34:59
66 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:37:15
It's seems that rules are there to be broken by the so called big clubs. PSG, Madrid,Barca, Chelsea, City and the shite seem to do ok by challenging or testing the system.
I just wonder what the punishments are.
67 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:37:42
He has played exclusively as full back/wing back so far so I see no indication that Robinson will be starting for Milan anytime soon. Guess he'd rather warm the bench in Italy than Liverpool, can't blame him!
68 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:39:10
69 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:44:12
It's seems that rules are there to be broken by the so called big clubs. PSG, Madrid,Barca, Chelsea, City and the shite seem to do ok by challenging or testing the system.
I just wonder what the punishments are.
70 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:47:51
71 Posted 31/01/2020 at 12:59:35
72 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:00:08
73 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:04:16
74 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:05:02
Regarding the punishments that the Premier league could impose for transgressing FFP rules are either a fine or a points deduction.
75 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:06:54
76 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:07:32
77 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:11:52
No need to rush him back
78 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:21:16
I wasn't saying we should get Zaha and Zouma or that they're worth it. I was making the point that it sounded like the money was there to get them. Now, we're not expecting anything. We must have known the financial situation in August.
79 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:26:26
His recovery has amazed the medics. He twice repeated there is 'a plan' to have him on the pitch against Arsenal. It has been discussed in depth with the player himself and the medical staff and 'the plan' agreed upon.
There appears to be agreement from all this is feasible. A truly astonishing recovery if it proves to be the case.
Some will hate to hear this, but Carlo used the much-scorned phrase: 'Having Andre back will be like having a new player in the transfer window. There is no need to buy someone for his position now.'
Carlo was in good form. Laughing off many questions. A man very sure of what he wants to do.
No bids for Oumar or Martina. Nothing likely to be incoming, although he joked, when a journo asked will it be worth his time to hang around Finch Farm until midnight: 'The Newcastle game taught us anything can happen in football right up until the last minute.'
With Feeney and Gibson going out on loan, he was asked about cover at centre back for the first team but he is comfortable to go with what he has.
On the question of having 10 days between games to prepare, he said we have prepared well both tactically and physically, but honestly 'I prefer to play games every 3 days. It is what I am used to.'
Acknowledged Watford's improvement and how we have to be wary of their counter-attacking capabilities, but that we are capable of the same ourselves.
Only Gbamin remains unavailable for selection from those previously listed as injured.
80 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:29:55
81 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:30:16
I honestly don't see why we have Ancelotti in charge if we can't or won't go out and buy players. He is used to dealing with top players, not used to trying to get a tune out of average mercenaries.
83 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:56:47
Wait till the summer bullshit?! IF he knows the sort of players needed then go get them, fuck FFP bullshit, it didn't bother RS,chavs,Citeh,PSG,etc so go ahead and stop fucking around, you know,(or should do) the shite that needs offing, and the needed players. a few months won't make the prices drop only inflate, I don't buy into Brands whatsoever. BS.
84 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:57:16
85 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:58:12
Add to this what it has cost to fire Silva and hire Ancellotti.
It's a case of go with what you've got for the remainder of the season and then when you've sorted out what you don't want then look to buy in the Summer.
Results have somewhat gone better under the new man if we forget about last week which felt like a defeat so we may as well sit tight for a couple of months longer.
86 Posted 31/01/2020 at 13:58:52
87 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:01:54
Originally the FFP was introduced by UEFA but then the Premier league introduced their own FFP. So if we transgress the FFP rules then the Premier league will fine us or deduct points. And it being Everton you would bet money they would use us as an example to every other club.
88 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:05:04
Injury that just seems to require endless time to heal then theres the dreaded setbacks which are common with such a injury.
It always seems to be players we sign doesnt it?
89 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:06:14
I understand the kids thing because i'd love if we bled in certain lads more considering the shite we've all seen. Ellis Simms, Gordon etc should of been brought in sooner/now.
Buy now and feck the January window, there's soo many shit players needing offing which I understand, but CA knows the type he wants and apparently has financial backing so? Get the fuck on with it.
90 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:07:29
The irony is now Ancelotti has come in and implemented a system that is crying out for Gana.
91 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:09:31
How can you be so sure that if we “went for broke” and spent £200m this month and got 5th that it would just be us banned from EL for a year and thats that? Maybe the PL might want to make an example of us and relegate us. They have a habit of making examples of us (Niasse etc).
Also, if we went for broke and got 4th or 5th and were banned from Europe then what was the point of going for broke?
Why not be clever and sign the right players in the summer? Theres a better selection then and FFP will ease off a little to allow us more to spend and give Brands time to offload more players like Bolasie that youve forgotten all about.
92 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:12:02
93 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:18:26
My theory about him being the midfield shield as it were is also down to Silva bigging him up as possible cover at CB.
94 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:18:28
I guess if you play one up top which I hate, you assume your midfield will score/contribute, alas Gana's job tbf wasn't that. I like the lad and wonder WTF some of the soft lads that played and trained with him do/think? because him on a shite day he was harder and gave his all to protect the back line and actually give two fucks and get stuck in.
95 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:28:12
96 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:30:15
He's got to have another operation so it's doubtful we'll see him this season.
97 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:31:17
98 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:32:11
Tiny Tim I think.
99 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:34:09
100 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:37:08
Total losses over 3 years must not exceed £105 mil
The actual figure from our accounts looks like it is currently £94 mil less - and we are allowed to deduct any money we have spent on youth development and infrastructure payments.
These include stadia (£20 mil over only the last 2 years alone) and the rest seem to be hidden in the 'Other Operating costs' section of the accounts which (again only over the last 2 years) are circa £80 mil. Let us suppose only half of that figure is offset against FFP then we are still looking at 20 + 40 = approx £30 mill a year.
If my (admittedly pretty ignorant) figures make any sense then we are certainly nowhere near losing £105mil over the last 3 years - more like £15mil?
101 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:37:33
102 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:54:00
103 Posted 31/01/2020 at 14:59:33
104 Posted 31/01/2020 at 15:00:04
105 Posted 31/01/2020 at 15:15:36
106 Posted 31/01/2020 at 15:23:01
Terrible luck for him and us. Dont know why Brands has not seen fit to buy or loan some athletic central midfield cover. Delph, Siggy, Davies, Gomes and Schneiderlin must be one of the slowest midfield quintets in the league. I miss Gana Gueye.
107 Posted 31/01/2020 at 15:30:42
* how David Unsworth has improved him and taught him things he wouldn't have learnt at other clubs
* his reassuring chats with Marcel Brands in recent months and the career path mapped out for him
* plus 'exciting' plans for the club, all of which he agrees with, thus signing his contract extension.
Just tying a couple of things together, in today's presser Carlo was asked if he was concerned at centre back cover with both Gibson and Feeney going out on loan. He said he is happy with what he has.
Looking at the photo of Gibson alongside Brands they are of a similar height. I recall when we signed Jarrad Branthwaite from Carlisle earlier this month how the 17-year-old - two years younger than Gibson - towered over Brands.
Now I'm not implying that Brands and Ancelotti see the teenager as 4th choice centre back from those still at Finch Farm, but it's telling that he has jumped right into the U-23 set up as described in this piece from the Echo.
This also makes interesting reading - both articles all the more so given the diverse views expressed on Brands, Unsworth and the academy in Martin O'Connor's post 'Blocked Pathways for U23s'.
108 Posted 31/01/2020 at 15:31:47
109 Posted 31/01/2020 at 15:57:24
I will get to the point along with others on the stance with Everton daring to break the ffp.
If any player is found of conning the ref we will bring into force a Niasse rule banning any player from outside of the top six with a 2 game ban.
If you field an eligible player in a cup competition the team shall be removed from the Competition, except for any side in the top 6, this also applies for playing a weakened side in the cup again unless you are a top 6 club.
Finally you can name your stadium, have your club shirts with same sponsors and spend as much as you like and be handed a small fine.
However if you are outside the top 6 and spend over the ffp, then expect a huge points deduction, possible relegation and banned from signing players for the next two windows.
Do you really think it is worth taking the chance Rob with it being Everton.
Lets not forget we spoiled the transfer window, when we signed Richarlison.
Am I bitter, too right I am, because I know they would hang Everton out to dry.
110 Posted 31/01/2020 at 16:17:02
I would expect plenty of business in the next window.
My only hope is that Niasse is never picked for us again, not even as an unused sub. Nothing against the guy, just that unfortunately he's one of the most useless footballers I've ever seen in the blue shirt.
111 Posted 31/01/2020 at 16:53:46
112 Posted 31/01/2020 at 16:57:43
113 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:42:43
We need the stadium to go to the next level and we can divert a chunk of the losses into that and have breathing room on FFP. Everything should be much, much better for us in the summer.
There's less that 15 games left. Why sign a player for 15 games unless he's on loan?
Darren, we won't be in the bottom three and we don't need any extra players just to stay up. We'll finish 8th or 9th without much more effort.
114 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:51:18
115 Posted 31/01/2020 at 17:55:44
116 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:03:23
117 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:05:22
118 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:06:49
119 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:08:21
120 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:10:21
121 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:11:31
Mourinho can advertise a certain betting firm but, if your name is Mina, you will feel the full wrath.
122 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:18:38
I've been wondering about that one myself.
How CAN Mourinho do that without punishment?
123 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:19:10
Probably Everton/Marcel Brands fault according to people on here
124 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:23:44
Laughable the stick he gets.
125 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:38:15
126 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:49:54
127 Posted 31/01/2020 at 18:55:43
128 Posted 31/01/2020 at 19:27:24
So it's been a bit dull but I don't think any immediate rivals have stolen much of a march on us. Quite like the fact that Carlo hasn't panicked – it's almost as though there is now a proper plan. But I still wouldn't mind a late twist.
129 Posted 31/01/2020 at 19:40:13
130 Posted 31/01/2020 at 19:40:54
I really don't care what people say about the mentalities of Niasse and Martina "always giving their all on the pitch" etc; to me they are a disgrace, to turn their noses up at regular football (presumably at no cost to themselves financially as Everton would at least pay part of the wages) in order to sit around Finch Farm stinking the place out, it's a disgrace.
Niasse has played this club for the fools they are! I really feel very cross about that. In regards to earlier talk of the new lad Braithwaite, my father-in-law is a diehard Carlisle fan, he told me that the coach stated he would play for England one day. He also felt from what he has seen that the boy is class.
131 Posted 31/01/2020 at 20:08:25
132 Posted 31/01/2020 at 20:33:09
I've seen him play a lot and he will be a great addition to the Premier League!
133 Posted 31/01/2020 at 20:41:32
134 Posted 31/01/2020 at 21:17:45
135 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:09:15
A truly woeful window in my opinion we should have added at least one. Those who think we will suddenly come to life in summer, based on what? More likely we will still have the likes of Walcott and schneiderlin stinking the place out next season.
136 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:11:17
137 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:19:53
Massive clear out needed in the Summer - Ancelotti can then hopefully have his targets lined up. Good day all around.
138 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:35:43
Schneiderlin and Walcott were good for half-a-season upon arrival, then their impact quickly waned. I guess you could say Lookman was a good signing, since we ended up doubling our investment.
Otherwise it's been a lot of turkeys like Niasse and McGeady, and guys like Mangala and Traore who immediately got hurt and were never seen again.
139 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:39:02
140 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:41:34
141 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:44:49
But centre midfield we are worse now than the start of the season, we only have Delph (injury liability), Davies (who isnt good enough) and Schneiderlin (no comment!) as fit options. I dont include Siggy as hes not a CM and has never been. Gbamin we will be lucky to see him play this season and if anyone thinks that Gomes is going to back at the end of Feb at the same level before his injury then think again.
As for CB, as much as Holgate has done well this year, if you go back to last season where we had Zouma and Keane playing together then you can see we dont have a top quality partnership in defence. Again, a dereliction of duties to not at least try in this window. We dont inspire confidence in defence at all.
I just cant believe weve not got any loans in (which is all I was expecting/hoping for) to bolster the squad and get some freshness & competition going.
This is one of the worst premiership seasons in terms of quality outside of Liverpool and City, and we could easily have finished a lot higher if we had done something in CM and CB. Big chance missed for me.
It only takes a couple of losses and suddenly well be sucked back into relegation issues again. I do fear for the rest of the season now as our defence and MF is frankly shit.
Would love it if I am proved wrong and that we now go on a run and smash it.
142 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:53:27
143 Posted 31/01/2020 at 22:53:32
Sky and TalkShite are completely gutted. Not much to report and the stupid anchormen have been at a loss all day, as transfer news defects them from talking about anything else in depth.
144 Posted 31/01/2020 at 23:05:06
Summer clear out is easier said than done. Aside from Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson etc, we have Sandro, Besic, Bolasie, Hornby, Dowell, Connolly, Bowler, Lössl and Pennington coming back with another year left on their deals.
145 Posted 31/01/2020 at 00:27:14
Kean may become our Kane
Davies could become our Winks
Sigurdsson our Erikson
Who am I kidding.
The worst midfield we have had for years apparently doesn't need new additions. Bowen and Wanjama would have improved us. In fact, the shop front dummy from John Lewis would improve it.
Lössl leaving kind of sums up our transfer activity. Brought in as a 2nd goalie, deemed not good enough to replace the 37-year-old Stekelenburg and back to Huddersfield in which we have probably doubled his wages and are paying for him to play for the club who he left for us!
I think this confirms my fear that Ancelotti has come here for the doh and not for the challenge of improving a team with a rich owner.
A top manager wouldn't arrive at our place without assurances about budget and players. If he is happy playing Tom Davies and Delph or Schneiderlin as centre mids, we may as well have Sean Dyche in charge.
146 Posted 01/02/2020 at 00:54:34
147 Posted 01/02/2020 at 03:18:21
If I remember correctly, one of Nigel Martyn's reasons for both efforts to join Everton was because his wife had family in the area.
148 Posted 01/02/2020 at 03:20:49
Hopefully the summer will see four or five of these bludgers shifted out.
149 Posted 01/02/2020 at 03:47:42
Whatever his limitations, Mo played with heart and desire which is greatly lacking in the current Everton side. Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson are not the answer going forward, I wish we had not spent the £69M we did on these two players. And Brands says we cannot afford £60M players!! Horseshit. We could if we hadn't wasted money on all the players that we have.
150 Posted 01/02/2020 at 04:28:26
How is Besic a charlatan? He was offered a great contract and signed it. He's always given his all and has been unlucky with injuries. Blame the club if you must but I think it's unfair to have a pop at the player.
151 Posted 01/02/2020 at 04:48:23
I do not agree with you calling Besic a charlatan. Bang out of order in my opinion. As Phil Sammon rightly said, he was offered a contract and signed it, a contract much less lucrative than the one given to Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson and Delph who broadly speaking all play in the same position as Mo.
He has been out to Middlesbrough for a successful loan spell there and they obviously picked up the majority if not all of his wag tab.
Besic was taken down and held back by a very serious injury at Everton just prior to the season starting a few years back but I credit the lad for his subsequent hard work at Boro to make a success of that loan and also for his determination and attitude to force his way into a Sheffield United side that beat us at Goodison and remain above us in the table.
Sorry Chris, but whatever Besic is and whatever his attributes and limitations, he is not a charlatan. I wish all the current Everton lads had his spirit, determination and desire.
152 Posted 01/02/2020 at 06:45:19
In terms of accounts, next year is this year. We are running at £35M loss on player trading but have a £30M deal coming in. The removal of a £31M profit in 2017-18 puts us at £45M loss overall assuming we make no further changes until end of June, but we probably will. After that, three well-paid players see their contracts expire saving £10M, if Baines goes another £5M.
We improved our shirt deal, but we sacked a manager. There is room for deals.
Of course I am guessing but, in principle, you can see why the club are saying we are nowhere near an FFP breach.
153 Posted 01/02/2020 at 07:32:52
I am gutted for numerous reasons that Sheffield Utd brought Sander Berge. He's going to be a real player and very likely to displace Besic; this will take him out of the shop window.
I agree with a comment earlier on here about the £60M outlay for Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson, it has crippled us, both in terms of what we can do as a team and financially. I am still annoyed at that transfer splurge by that muppet Walsh and the mercenary golfer.
The 2nd best player we had at the time was Barkley, we fucked that and then brought in 3 No 10s which was the position of Barkley! 1 past it, 1 utter shite (who we sold for half the dosh a year later) and Sigurdsson... who, despite a few moments of brilliance, has hamstrung our formation and selection options ever since.
I think I'm a little traumatised to be honest, everytime I see us hiding on the pitch and having one of our days where we can't string two passes together – I flashback to that picture of Walsh arriving in Milan, looking like the cat got the cream with his little suitcase... sigh.
Jeez, I bet Moshiri deeply regrets those early decisions he made, I sometimes feel sorry for him.
154 Posted 01/02/2020 at 07:55:23
I have read where you claim several of our youngsters are only Championship level at best, well isn't Bowen from the Championship?
In time, you may well be proved right and both Bowen and Soucek may prove themselves to be top players. They could both also be flops! Let's see them perform in the Premier League before claiming how well Moyes has purchased
155 Posted 01/02/2020 at 08:26:03
Niasse and Martina will see out their contracts, Stekelenburg, Tarashaj and presumably Baines will also depart this summer. That still leaves the likes of Sandro, Bolasie, Tosun and Besic. Hopefully some of the latter might earn permanent moves but the wages they are on will be hard to match. Whoever negotiated our wages over the last 3 years was in a generous mood!
Getting rid of either Schneiderlin or Sigurdsson, both who are on huge contracts, will only get harder over time and surely January where less good players are available would have been a good time? I would have been doing my utmost to find a French club for Schneiderlin and a loan/cheap player to replace him.
Amazing how much damage was done under Walsh, Koeman and Allardyce! And Brands has also handed out some big contracts to the likes of Bernard, Mina and Gomes; I believe them to be a higher calibre of player but not by that much. Got to get recruitment right over next year or two if we are to push forward.
156 Posted 01/02/2020 at 08:45:13
Kin'ell, Sam. whilst you're right to moan about recruitment issues in the past, you need to keep things in perspective.
157 Posted 01/02/2020 at 08:59:16
Bernard's wages reflect that there was no transfer fee and therefore you cannot moan at that. Mina is on the same as Keane isn't he? If we want Barca players then we have to accept that they're already on Barca wages and won't accept being on less than the dross we already have in their position.
Glad to see Lössl gone. It was a strange one for me. When Stekelenburg leaves in the summer, then having Lössl back makes sense. It never made sense having 4 keepers and it was disastrous loaning Virginia out. I'm glad Carlo can work with him. He's seen some of the best keepers in his time at Bayern, Real, Chelsea, and Milan. I hope he can carefully assess Pickford and Virginia and whether the latter is capable of supplanting the former.
I wouldn't write Pickford off, but he's cost us a lot of points this season by conceding poor goals at the wrong time and creating negative effect on our momentum in games or in a series of games. I wonder if he's really any better than a mid-table Premier League player?
158 Posted 01/02/2020 at 09:01:21
Thomas, the £30M deal is for the stadium side of things and does not help with FFP.
159 Posted 01/02/2020 at 09:19:40
An experienced manager who had won things in Pelligrini couldn't get a song out of them, and Moyes is going to struggle to save their bacon.
160 Posted 01/02/2020 at 09:23:38
I would argue a top manager doesn't need to spend zillions – they turn average players into good players and good players into great ones. About time they started earning their cash and actually coached the players, improving them in the process.
Or am I mad?
161 Posted 01/02/2020 at 10:22:27
162 Posted 01/02/2020 at 10:30:16
163 Posted 01/02/2020 at 10:38:21
Surely somebody must have said pay him the same, not insubstantial money?
164 Posted 01/02/2020 at 11:07:15
165 Posted 01/02/2020 at 11:14:00
166 Posted 01/02/2020 at 11:23:06
Koeman and Walsh were a total disaster and poor old Brands is taking stick from uninformed people for that!
167 Posted 01/02/2020 at 11:42:33
168 Posted 01/02/2020 at 12:14:16
Mina is on considerably higher wages (120k) than Keane. I like him as a player but he needs to do more to deserve that salary in my mind.
Bernard was a free so that mitigates those wages to a degree.
I like all these players but I do feel some are earning more with us than theyd get at most other clubs and Im concerned at how easy they would be to sell should the need arise. Not sure we have our recruitment model right yet and maybe going for Barca rejects on high wedge is part of the issue. Digne is on 90k which seems a more sensible amount.
169 Posted 01/02/2020 at 13:33:42
170 Posted 01/02/2020 at 13:38:59
Exactly pal. £2m was the going rate for him at that time. And therefore good business.
171 Posted 01/02/2020 at 13:58:13
172 Posted 01/02/2020 at 14:01:48
We're going to end up mid-table, so I think it's best for Carlo to assess what he has and trade in the summer.
173 Posted 01/02/2020 at 14:22:08
174 Posted 01/02/2020 at 14:43:04
Digne certainly hasnt been as good as last year but he still has the most assists in the team and makes amongst the most tackles and interceptions. Stats suggest hes in the 3 or 4 most creative full backs in the league.
Which 5 players would you have instead of him?
175 Posted 01/02/2020 at 14:51:42
I only really think Holgate, DCL and Richarlison can hold their head up high this season.
Im disappointed by Digne as he was my favourite player last season. This season he just seems to be very easily brushed aside and doesnt have that confidence he had before.
Favourite player this season would have to be DCL. I love a good championship player.
176 Posted 01/02/2020 at 14:57:01
177 Posted 01/02/2020 at 15:08:08
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