Everton win 'eleventh-hour' battle for King

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Transfer Deadline Day

Everton have reportedly lodged a late offer for Bournemouth forward Josh King

A late move by Everton for Bournemouth's Josh King came off as the Blues have beaten Fulham to the forward's signature by landing him on a six-month contract for a nominal fee.

Little was expected in terms of incomings at Everton today but the dwindling number of available senior players in the squad after Cenk Tosun returned to Turkey had heightened speculation that the club might make a late move to secure a forward before the deadline.

According to Sky Sports News, both the Blues and Fulham had held talks with the Cherries for King as 11pm approached after Southampton's interest had waned, leaving the 29-year-old with a straight choice between a short-term contract on Merseyside or a longer-term stint at Craven Cottage.

King opted for the flexibility of a temporary arrangement, a chance to compete for Europe under Carlo Ancelotti, and the possibility to make the move permanent in the summer, with the move confirmed before the 11pm cut-off. The deal could be worth up to £5m depending on how Everton fare this season and whether King extends his time with the club. King will wear the Number 11 shirt vacated by Theo Walcott.

Meanwhile, Jonjoe Kenny's loan move to Celtic was confirmed late in the evening and Anthony Gordon followed him out the door on a temporary basis to Preston North End.

Jonal Lössl had asked to leave the club to find a new challenge elsewhere and he completed a free transfer back to FC Midtjylland, where he began his career. Beni Baningime signed on loan for his former team-mate, Wayne Rooney, at Derby County until the end of the season.

Tosun completed his loan move back to Besiktas but Bernard's proposed permanent switch to Al Nasr in the United Arab Emirates appears to have collapsed. The incoming deadline for the Arabian Gulf League is, apparently, on Wednesday but the Liverpool Echo have reported that the move is unlikely to go ahead.

Had he made the switch to the Middle East, Carlo Ancelotti would have been down two more attacking players following the decision to let Moise Kean and Theo Walcott leave in the summer transfer window.

Without King, it would have left only Dominic Calvert-Lewin and an out-of-form Richarlison as strikers and just Alex Iwobi, James Rodriguez and, at a stretch, Gylfi Sigurdsson as players who could be regarded as attacking in a team chasing European qualification.

Joshua Zirkzee joined Parma instead of Everton and rumours of a potential move for Roma's Edin Džeko gained no traction.

Talk of a late move for Inter winger Ivan Perisic was quashed by the Italian club whose CEO Marotta insisted that he would not be letting any players go before the deadline, including another player vaguely linked with Everton, Christian Eriksen.


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Jack Convery
1 Posted 01/02/2021 at 06:08:20
I've got everything and I mean everything crossed, that we bring in at least 2 decent loanees before the window closes – a striker and a midfielder with pace... How long til 11pm? My testes are killing me.

ps: Can we sign out of contract players after the window closes?

Laurie Hartley
2 Posted 01/02/2021 at 06:22:06
Diego Costa on a free please
Dave McDowell
3 Posted 01/02/2021 at 06:28:44
Edin Džeko & Idrissa, both on loan would be a start.
Derek Knox
4 Posted 01/02/2021 at 06:38:55
Jack, this will be one of your sternest testes to date. :-)
Laurie Hartley
5 Posted 01/02/2021 at 06:51:20
Dave McDowell # 3 - can I add Idrissa to my wish list.
Alan J Thompson
6 Posted 01/02/2021 at 07:05:49
Lössl wanting away would suggest that Olsen will be staying which might make filling the subs bench even more difficult and Holgate may become a permanent right back unless Jonjoe Kenny excels at Celtic.
Duncan McDine
7 Posted 01/02/2021 at 07:06:42
I hope Marcel is more enthusiastic than I am about getting up for work today.
Bobby Mallon
8 Posted 01/02/2021 at 07:13:15
It's my birthday today, Everton FC. So, besides my cards, I want two attacking players on loan please.
Kunal Desai
9 Posted 01/02/2021 at 07:22:12
Expect no incomings. Manage expectations from the outset, that way you won't be disappointed come 11pm.
Mike Allison
10 Posted 01/02/2021 at 07:26:52
Letting Gordon go out on loan would be crazy. At this rate, we'll need Bolasie back in the squad!
Steve Shave
11 Posted 01/02/2021 at 07:37:36
Many happy returns, Bobby, let's hope your wish comes true. Bailey on a permanent and Dezko loan please. Now that would be a present, Bobby!
Steve Shave
12 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:00:45
No way we will let Gordon go today.
Alan J Thompson
13 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:11:24
Given we've sent out players on loan or to eventually complete permanent moves, would it not be the time to register Besic in the first team squad as he gets paid the same either way and especially if there's nobody coming in. If it comes to the worst we could at least name a full complement on the bench although I'm sure we wouldn't mind some youngsters at least getting a taste of match day.
Robert Tressell
14 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:18:36
Perisic now linked too - but seems Zirkzee has gone to Parma.

On registering Besic, I guess we could but centre mid is well stocked already (albeit not with quality).

Also notice our former youth striker Sam Cosgrove has just joined Brum from Aberdeen. Keep working hard, Sam, and the Premier League may beckon.

Mal van Schaick
15 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:20:34
Costa, short-term contract based on behaviour with a view to extend if he produces the goals.

We don't want an unknown who they think is the next best thing again.

Martin Berry
16 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:21:39
Despite our low key statements of incoming activity, I just can't see us letting Tosun, Bernard, Simms and possibly Gordon leave without having replacements in the forward area. To say that Everton want to push for Europe but not set us up to have a chance does not make sense.

I will be very surprised if we do not have something cooking.

Eddie Dunn
17 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:29:54
Martin, in recent months the club have managed to keep a few things secret (probably due to the pandemic)... We live in hope.
Paul Hewitt
18 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:34:37
Nothing happening here today I'm afraid.
Karl Graham
19 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:51:43
Ideally we need a right back, right forward, striker and centre midfielder in. If these are mainly loans then so be it. Right now we are struggling to get 20 fit players. I'm happy with the players going out leaving as they aren't good enough but we still need to be able to put out a team.
Robert Tressell
20 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:55:53
Looks like Josh King is the target. Dependent on Shane Long to Bournemouth from Saints – and offloading Bernard to free up wages.

If that happens, we're probably in okay shape.

Steve Shave
21 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:03:06
As long as we aren't paying silly money on wages, Robert, then I'd be okay with that purchase... shit, I'll take anyone right now. Where did you hear that then, Rob?

I'd love us to pull an out-of-field option in, someone from South America etc, an unknown pacey winger. I'm going to be disappointed at the close of this window I think, manage your expectations man!!!!

Martin Reppion
22 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:04:54
I said this elsewhere but I am hoping for a Fellaini size surprise today.

If we have nothing in the pipeline (Bailey, Dzeko etc) we have diminished the squad, albeit of mainly expensive under-achievers, and not prepared for the rest of this season. Walcott, Kean, Bolasie, Bernard, Tosun, Simms all out. There must be someone coming the other way... Mustn't there?

Bobby Mallon
23 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:11:39
Lössl gone.
Martin Reppion
24 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:14:59
ps: This could be the first deadline day in 5 years when nobody mentions Danny Welbeck... Oooops
Mark Dunford
25 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:18:27
Lots of teams after King by the sound of it so whoever gets the player will be paying over the odds. No doubt Bournemouth will want cash and a player or two on loan to bolster their own promotion push.

As others have rightly said, the departure of those on the fringe has left our squad even more vulnerable to the loss of key players when injury or suspension strike. We do have one or two coming back – assuming Gbamin returns (and is actually useful after such a long injury) and Allan regains both the form he showed and the exciting promise he was showing as he settled.

We need one or two short-term loans to fill the gaps that are there for everyone to see as well as the additional forward.

Rob Halligan
26 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:31:35
Paul #18. Nothing much happens in St Helens anyway!!
Frank Sheppard
27 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:36:52
Our squad is much much weaker than at the start of the season, and we were not blessed with an abundance of riches when the season started. Worrying to say the least.
Ian Horan
28 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:41:37
Think we should recall Kean for PSG. Since Pochettino arrived, Kean has only been a sub.
Tony Everan
29 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:44:18
Josh King looks to be in pole position again. Carlo said he wanted a different type of striker to compliment what he has got, so King is maybe who they are after.

I am not really confident it’s the best business to do unless it is on loan. Massive wages, long contract, age and injuries. I am loathe we do more panic buying in the January window and we’re lumbered with a player for 4 years who risks being bang average and doesn’t have the quality to get us to the next level.

Would much prefer a loan and a get a player bit younger and a bit more quality in June. Young quality forward, with pace and improvement in him. There will be a few we could target in the summer.

Robert Tressell
30 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:45:02
Steve S @ 21. You describe Santos Borre, the Colombian striker playing in Argentina. He's been linked before and is out of contract in the summer. Please don't go to the bookies about it just yet though.
John Dingle
31 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:04:16
Inside Futbol are reporting that Zirkzee is in Parma and going to sign today.
Disaster for EFC, no backup forward... no chance of top 6.
James Fletcher
32 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:05:32
Talk on the BBC of us trying to sign a forward but no mention of any names.
Jim Bennings
33 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:19:40
It would be disappointing if we don't manage to bring anyone in even on loan, this is one of the transfer windows we were talking about with Carlo, it shouldn't be wasted, none should, not when you have such a limited squad quality-wise.

There's still players sitting on that bench he clearly doesn't trust like Gordon, who can't even get on when Richarlison has stunk.

I'm not madly bothered about Zirkzee because I think he's another head-in-ass Moise Kean type player.

An experienced old hand would come in handy, a modern day Kevin Campbell type signing.

Chris Williams
34 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:29:44
Perisic has been mentioned.
Craig Walker
35 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:31:10
Why does it always come down to deadline day with us? If we got rid of Bernard and brought in a winger and a proven forward then it wouldn't be too bad. Need something to lift us because Saturday was an embarrassment.
Danny Broderick
36 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:33:44
Billy Gilmour is available on loan from Chelsea. I'd rather have him than Gueye. We need someone who can offer a bit going forward. I love Gueye, but we have Allan when he is fit, and for my money, Tom Davies is an able deputy for him. We need someone who can drive us forward with Doucouré, as Gomes, Sigurdsson and Bernard are shite.
Jim Bennings
37 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:35:46
I'm still sad about Bernard.

I know it's clear that has time passed he hasn't been able to cut the mustard here but still when he first arrived he dovetailed beautifully on the left with Lucas Digne, so well that brief comparisons were made with "Bainaar".

Another one for the failed filing cabinet however, but just for old times sake...

"Bernard, Bernard will tear you apart again!!!"

James Marshall
38 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:37:24
Josh King and Ivan Perisic seem to be the only 2 stories with any legs.

We need a striker. Obviously.

John Dingle
39 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:38:58

Sky Italy are reporting Joshua Zirkzee has arrived in Milan ahead of his move from Bayern Munich to Parma. The player will undergo his medical before signing his contract.

It is understood to be a loan deal with an option to buy for €15m, which could become an obligation.

Bayern Munich are understood to be adding a 7.5 per cent sell on clause in the deal.

Brian Harrison
40 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:51:10
I believe that, so far in this window, clubs have spent 85% less than in the same window last year. Obviously the pandemic has effected every club and even our neighbours who have had the money from 2 Champions League finals plus league winners money yet have only spent £2 million on a player from Preston despite their injuries to centre-backs.

Brands told us weeks ago that his mission in this window is to trim the over-blown squad not to add to it. So it wouldn't surprise me if nobody came in this window, and if they do its more likely a loan deal. This window is notorious for having to pay way over the odds for journeymen players; with our precarious financial position I think we need to be very careful on when and how we spend.

I know most fans expect players to be bought in every window, and if you don't they look at it as a missed opportunity. Yes, we have got a few off the books for now but come the summer if these players don't impress the clubs they are loaned to then they come back onto an already bloated wage bill. I know we are very light up-front should Calvert-Lewin our only out and out striker get injured we may struggle, but I don't think Tosun was a viable option should that happen, and the same with Bernard.

Come the summer we will be in a better position to assess where we are financially, we will hopefully have made the loan deals permanent and will hopefully have some spare cash to help the club buy a couple of quality players. I think, without the sponsorship money that Usmanov has supplied, we would be in a more precarious financial position.

We will be limited to what we can spend because we are close to our FFP ceiling, so whatever money we spend in this window will mean there will be less to spend in the summer, when usually you get a better quality player for a little less than if you had bought that player in January.

Stewart Oakes
41 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:56:10
Talking about loans, due to the new rules, unless we sign Olsen on a permanent deal, we only have room for one loan signing.
Clive Rogers
42 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:58:41
Apparently we were offered Zirkzee a while ago but weren’t interested. Fair enough!
Pat Kelly
43 Posted 01/02/2021 at 11:04:56
We'll probably sign a false Number 9.

But this is Everton so we'll probably get a pair of falsies and go tits up.

Joe McMahon
44 Posted 01/02/2021 at 11:29:39
Brian @40, I think it's fair to say their squad is the finished article though, and we already know they also have quality in their Academy players waiting in the wings. Goals scored allover the place. Unfortunately the Peoples club could do with at least 8 new proven players, with goals in them.

Like many have said after decades of nothing from our club, nothing will change this season. The window with Lukaku and Barry was the standout for me.

Alex Gray
45 Posted 01/02/2021 at 11:37:55
I take no issue with needing to balance the books but our squad was short before the window and we are even weaker now currently.

I don't expect anyone in today and so far theres been one link to kink and perisic which don’t scream concrete as of yet.

We’ve normally avoided January and whilst I don't rate Tosun or Bernard, letting them go and having absolutely nobody on the bench is lunacy.

We’ve had two keepers on the bench majority of the season and it will now be fully filled with youngsters who simply aren’t ready.

The long term business from us has been shocking. Where’s the plan?

James Fletcher
46 Posted 01/02/2021 at 11:50:18
Getting players out of the door is all well and good but only if there's someone else to come in, either externally or from the youth set up. Just loaning out our entire bench is lunacy unless they've just completely given up on this season, which would be odd given that we have a decent shot at getting Champions League.
Derek Knox
47 Posted 01/02/2021 at 11:54:41
Pat K, good to see you are keeping abreast of the situation. :-)
Robert Tressell
48 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:02:55
Alex @ 45. Pruning the deadwood and freeing up space and wages is the longer term plan. And a good plan too. None of the departing players are really worth keeping. It's the short term that's the problem.

As for top 4, that was always a stretch too far.

Top 6 was doable with luck and a fall from grace by one or two richer clubs.

Our squad looks about 7th or 8th really, and a Josh King won't make a huge difference to that. If Ancelloti gets us above 7th it will be a heck of an achievement.

Bit of a grim reality but the departures will pave the way for a material improvement in summer.

Alex Gray
49 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:20:17
Robert @48,

The long-term planning bit was more aimed at our business over the last 5 years, mate. Brands was brought in with the reputation of buying exciting young talent and selling them at a huge profit.

Bar Kean, who could still very well make us money, I don't think we've taken that approach and are now in a position where we have to get rid of our entire bench to break even.

Completely agree that it's underperforming players and they don't have a future but the idea that we just get rid of them all and bring in nobody is lunacy.

I've said all along, if we get Europa League, that's big progress for us and top 4 is a few steps too far but just imagine if Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin both pick up injuries? Is the plan to play Sigurdsson as a striker? I understand letting a few go now but we have literally no attackers.

James Fletcher
50 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:25:57
Anyone think we're maybe in for Naitland-Miles?
Ian Edwards
51 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:38:10
Robert 48.

Ancelotti stated at the start of the season that Europe was the aim. If that doesn't happen, he has failed. Some of the defeats so far can be put firmly at his door.

Hugh Jenkins
52 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:40:52
Ian (51) and so can all of the unexpected victories.
John Keating
53 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:44:34
With Messi having a spat with Barca, maybe a cheeky offer? With what we pay others, we could surely match his reported wages
Tim Gerrard
54 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:45:10
I would have Idrissa Gueye back on loan like a shot. It would allow Allan to play further forward, winning the ball higher up the pitch and give Doucouré the opportunity to get forward more as a true box-to-box midfielder, hopefully increasing his goal return.
John Raftery
55 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:47:32
James (50) No, though I think Maitland-Niles is a decent player.
Brent Stephens
56 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:56:03
Ian, #51 - it's not too often we get a broken record on ToffeeWeb but blow me, you don't half repeat yourself. Every thread, every opportunity, that "simple" statement against Carlo. We get it, we've heard it. Why do you need to keep repeating it? Seriously, why do you?
Fran Mitchell
57 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:57:48
We won't make any moves I don't expect. The goal is clearly trim the squad of dead wood and high earners. The club has been decimated with record losses, and the more we spend the worse we seem to perform.

Bernard - Bolasie - Tosun represent combined wages of more than 200k a week. That is just bonkers and that is what we have been dealing with. Add Delph, GBamin to that and it's another 100k+ a week on players that currently contribute nothing.

So no chance of any more 100k a week players (Diego Costa/Perisic/Dzeko etc) coming in this window, or any window I assume.

We need a long term strategy - 15-16 first team players of real quality, and then another 6-8 younger players with great potential.

I can see movement the next summer window. More outward movement of underperformers and over earners - Gomes, Siggy, Delph, Coleman. And maybe a few big sales: Kean, Richarlison and maybe one of the centre backs (with Branthwaite taking their place). This would bring in 150 million or so in fees and give room for investment, but it will have to be sensible investment.

My hope, is that the mentality will change. Quite often over the years, we have actually responded well when we have had injury crisis' etc. The players develop a better unity and better mentality. The same small group of players week in week out, work out a way to play and win despite the problems.

Under Moyes, we performed well despite having a smal squad and no money. Our club had performed worse ever since we've started spending money and having squad filled with players just lining their pockets. A return to Everton that performs greater than the sum of its parts would be welcome.

Tony Abrahams
58 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:01:40
Ian@51, just like some of the victories can also be down to the manager?

He’s done things wrong, but so what if he fails to get Europe. Koeman got us in Europe, and was gone before the group stages had ended.

I’m interested in Everton being able to compete before they move on to better things, so it’s no use taking 4 points off Leicester, if we take none from Newcastle, because although we have been doing well when we park the bus, we are not so good when we try and move away from protecting our defenders.

Why? I’d say we are not good enough to do this yet, but that’s just my opinion. sometimes we look miles away and sometimes we don’t look that far away, so if we fail I won’t despair, because I’ve always been of the opinion that making Everton great again (I wish) was never going to happen overnight

Robert Tressell
59 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:04:24
Alex, yes, I see what you mean. To have reached this crap position after our 5 richest ever years is ridiculous. Club management has been shambolic.

Ian, I agree Carlo will have failed in his own personal aim to get us into Europe. Noting that about 7 sides with better (generally much better) squads have the same or loftier aims, then it puts that aim into perspective. Based on the tools at his disposal then we should finish 7th or 8th. If he fails to do that, then it's a more objective failure.

Fran Mitchell
60 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:06:39
And for future transfers, i'd like to see us target the young players who aren't getting gametime at other clubs: the likes of Willock, Nelson, Maitland-Niles at Arsenal, Gilmour from Chelsea, Winks at Spurs, Willliams at Man Utd, Doyle at Man CIty and such. These are talented players who would be great options on teh becnh and first team, and it could create a buzz about the club, being a club that invests in young talent.

Brian Harrison
61 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:17:18
There is no doubt and the stats back up that since we have had the benefit of Moshiris money we have regressed as a club. For a top accountant as he is, to allow what happened under his watch was bordering on professional neglect.
He said a while back that when he invested in Everton he didnt envisage having to spend so much time looking after the clubs affairs. Which simply allowed managers and DOFs and possibly with support from 1 of the board for them to spend money like it was going out of fashion. Now I am sure Moshiri trusted that pouring hundreds of millions into a club that previously with no money had managed very respectable league positions, then the injection of his money would have us challenging for a top 6 spot. And quite frankly he was right to expect that sort of improvement. But through poor decisions we are still fighting for the same 7th position, and millions literally wasted.

I think he needs to set a budget and stick to it, and realize that throwing money at the problem has failed miserably.

Thomas Richards
62 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:22:23
"There is no doubt and the stats back up that since we have had the benefit of Moshiris money we have regressed as a club"

Can you expand on that please Brian.
What stats?

Phil Smith
63 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:23:22
Lössl has left and so too has Tosun. If we don’t sign an attacking player then we can kiss European football goodbye for next season. Richy is gonna lose his mate and is clearly not happy or fit or both. DVL is moaning with his arms in the air every 5 minutes and is either not happy or not fit or both. Very worried where the goals are gonna come from in the second half of the season and I’m fairly certain we’ll slowly start to fade away in the next few weeks unless something drastically changes. I see a very unhappy squad at the moment. Worried...
Terry White
64 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:25:38
Bret (#56), Ian is the Don Alexander of this thread.
Fran Mitchell
65 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:32:46
Indeed Brian. The way we spent money is just shameful. And was also so woefully predictable.

After years of being thrifty, of scouting players, of making sure players had the right mentality before signing. To just spending willy nilly on whoever came up, offering huge contracts, without any long term plan - is just depressing.

I'm willing to accept Everton being a top-7/8 club for the next couple of years IF it means there is some fundamental changes going on, with long term planning and structures put in place where we invest in youth, promote young players, and sign players when the due dilligence has been done and we know they will make a significant impact.

Like Leicester - after Leicester won the league, they predictably spent lots of money to try and improve their squad and most the of teh money was badly spent - Musa, Slimani and many other multi-million pound players who failed to deliver. But they quickly changed course and refocussed their transfer strategy and it is paying dividends.

George Cumiskey
66 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:33:18
IMHO if we don't get a forward and a midfielder to supply him and DCL with the ball and score a few himself, we will be lucky to stay in the top half of the premiership.
Jay Wood

67 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:35:51
I know from the editors that transfer rumours is THE single most popular feature on TW.

I don't number myself among them. I fancy those busily refreshing their newsfeed every 30 seconds today are in for a great deal of disppointment.

To date in the month of January, across all 20 PL clubs, there has only been one (medium-priced) recruitment of a new player. United's £19 million transfer of the teenager Amad Diallo from Atlanta. A punt on future potential. Three weeks after signing, he hasn't as much as made their 1st team bench.

Like us and other clubs, they have been OFFLOADING players, not recruiting them. Lingard to WHU. Rojo's contract cancelled and on his way back to Boca Jnrs. Several academy players loaned out.

Arsenal have let Ozil go for free and recruited just Odegaard and the 34-year-old keeper Matt Ryan from Brighton on loan.

City, zilch.

Liverpool, looking to recruit a 25-year-old centre back from PNE for £2 million.

Leicester have let Demarai Gray and Slimani go and recruited noone.

WHU have sold Snodgrass and Haller and brought forward the intended summer payment of the on-loan Benrahma from Brentford to now, freeing up a loan spot to recruit Lingard.

Spurs, zilch incomings.

Chelsea, Piazon sold, Tomori and Drinkwater gone on loan. No incomings.

Villa have singed Morgan Sanson, a 26-year-old midfielder from Marseille.

And so it goes on all the way down the league.

NOBODY is going 'large', either in numbers or transfer fees. Most are clearing their books. Just like Everton.

Fran Mitchell
68 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:38:27
Thomas: Moshiri bought his first stake in Everton in 2016. The 5 years preceeding this saw us finish: 7, 6, 5, 11, 11

After Moshiri: 7, 8, 8, 12.

And we can add teh caveat that, in the Moshiri years we have seen other clubs: Spurs and Leicester break the 'sky 6' barrier, which in the years preceeding Moshiri looked pretty impenetrable.

Kieran Kinsella
69 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:39:06
As far as deadwood goes it looks like this window we plan to have a controlled fire, clear the forest then wait until summer for some new saplings to emerge.
Dave Abrahams
70 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:42:24
I can’t imagine Everton not adding to this very weak squad, won’t allow myself to.
George Cumiskey
71 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:42:25
I don't think we can wait until the summer window, we need players now if we want to progress THIS season !
Robert Tressell
72 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:44:09
Totally right Fran. We've been in decline since Martinez' first season.
Fran Mitchell
73 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:53:17
That's the thing Robert: Look at our league placings over the last decade: 7, 7, 6, 5, 11, 11, 7, 8, 8, 12.

And all of a sudden we have fans saying our manager is failing if we don't finisg top-6 or top-4. Saying that we should target top-4 etc. It's like they ignore the reality.

Our team has suffered 7 years of increasing mediocrity. It's not a trend that we can simply turn around in one fell swoop.

That's the task at hand, so first we must yes, get rid of the dead wood of 3 failed managers and if need be, work with a limited, bare bones squad.

No more short term fixes - no more average players on big contracts.

Rob Dolby
74 Posted 01/02/2021 at 14:13:25
Ian 51. Love your consistency. One of these days you will be proven right.

I am all for offloading as many players as we can in this window. It's a panic buying market and probably our only chance of moving some of them on.

Regarding incomings, I want quality not quantity. Not filling the bench on a match day doesn't interest me.

Don Alexander
75 Posted 01/02/2021 at 14:15:39
Fran, well said, and my take on it is that someone has to be dispensed with in a boardroom chair/s for this lamentable mediocrity, if the owner wants to maintain a scintilla of credibility.

If nothing changes it reeks of complacency, and complacency has tragically been the chief feature of our Premier League history, never mind the past seven seasons.

Moshiri needs to have the balls to realise that despite his misplaced largesse his five year project about which he was so lyrical in 2016 is maybe only now, with CA as manager, effectively in year one.

Thomas Richards
77 Posted 01/02/2021 at 14:21:27
A large portion of the never ending noose of debt Kenwright has put the club in paid.

A world class manager.

A new ground in planning.

An improved points tally in managers first full season.

A multi billionaire backing the owner


Graham Hammond
78 Posted 01/02/2021 at 14:21:33
Maitland-Niles would be a very good addition to our squad, it seems everyone is being linked to this player but us! He is relatively young and quick so obviously not a player suited to Everton! Seriously though, if we are going to run a smaller squad then good utility players with time to improve further seem like the intelligent option going forward.
Chris Williams
79 Posted 01/02/2021 at 14:25:03

I agree. This is Year one, and if it means clearing the decks, to allow Carlo and Brands to do their job better going forward so be it.

Short up front though (as the actress said to the bishop)

Michael Burke
80 Posted 01/02/2021 at 14:41:38
Rob #74, spot on. Why offload the rubbish we have to replace with bench warmers. Is Josh King good enough displace DCL? Will he provide sufficient quality to pressure him for a place? If yes...get him. If no, I'd rather give a youngster a run and experience.
Michael Lynch
81 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:01:03
We made three signings in the summer, all of whom are first choices now - Doucoure, Allan, and James - and I would hope we'll do at least the same next summer. We also picked up Nkounkou and Godfrey for the future, though Godfrey has actually turned out to be needed at once. Not bad at all. January is all about offloading players who have no future here to make way for the summer's incoming signings.

We won't qualify for Europe this time around and, even if we did, we don't have the squad yet to compete at that level. Next season should be when we expect to start seeing some results from Carlo.

I think the summer will bring us a new goalie, an upgrade on Siggi, and a back-up for DCL, plus a couple of squad players. I'm not expecting any incoming today.

Kevin Prytherch
82 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:01:17
Fran 60 - unfortunately none of those play for Barcelona reserves so they won’t be in Brands radar!!
Brian Wilkinson
83 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:10:41
Thing is though Michael, we are not offloading them all, a few have gone out onloan and will be back in the Summer, unless we can get another loan out of those who have contracts, beyond the summer.
Bobby Mallon
84 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:15:45
Is Kouyati ready for 1st team or could he be?
Robert Tressell
85 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:25:12
Kouyate is only just ready for the U23s. He's a long way off the first team.

I did wonder whether Lewis Dobbin might be considered - but that seems unlikely given trouble Gordon has in getting a game. And Dobbin has been injured too, I think.

Ian Horan
86 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:37:25
Maybe Ian @51 is allowed his opinion 🤷 but I totally disagree with it. So going forward any of his comments on Carlo just maybe we should all just ignore and not engage with. Hence we all stop getting upset at his comments.
Francis van Lierop
87 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:41:00
Dave @3

Oussama Idrissi is going to Ajax on loan, with an option to buy.

My local club AZ won't like that, after selling him to Sevilla in the summer. And losing 0-2 to Ajax yesterday.

Snap. Made my weekend even better...

Tony Abrahams
88 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:47:53
Why would anyone get upset by Ian E? He might get on my nerves sometimes, but not as much as Carlo Ancellotti gets on his though!
Kieran Kinsella
89 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:57:02
Besic should go to Airdrieonians or somewhere for a six pack of Skol lager and some black pudding.
Kieran Kinsella
90 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:01:22
Dave Abrahams 70

"I can't imagine Everton not adding to this very weak squad, won't allow myself to."

Do you remember the year Royle was sacked? He made deadline-day bids for Barry Horne and tried to sign Flo. But we got neither, he quit/got sacked and I remember we had to beg Paul Rideout into coming back from China as we ended up with a squad of only 15 players. Also, may have been the year we sold Arteta, when we ended up drafting 16-year-old Jose Baxter and Phil Jagielka into midfield due to a complete lack of players. So, sadly, we do have history when it comes to leaving ourselves short.

Tony Abrahams
91 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:01:26
Besic will be sitting there in his robe drinking the finest wines known to man, Kieran, without a care in the world...
Kieran Kinsella
92 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:03:02

You're probably right lol he may even outlast Kenwright at the club.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
93 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:07:41
My kid has just moaned about the 5 out and none in.

Premier League Stats from this season:
Tosun - 3 sub appearances - 43 minutes no goals
Bolasie - Nothing
Lössl - Bench only
Kenny - 1 game - 76 minutes
Bernard - 2 starts + 3 sub appearances - 272 minutes 1 goal.

I calculate they have comprised 2.1% of a player's time on the pitch this season. Is it really weakening us?

If Calvert-Lewin or Richarlison got injured, would Carlo play Tosun or Bolasie? Bernard's time is over and so sell while we can or hold just in case and have him stuck here for 2 more years.

At the moment, I am not totally unhappy and for those who think we are in with a shout of Europe and this is throwing it away, I am trying to get something written up for the site which shows we are unlikely to make it anyway. If Carlo and Marcel look at the same stats, they are planning for next season already.

Brian Harrison
94 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:11:05
Thomas @77,

I stated in my post that we have regressed since Moshiri took over, as Fran detailed our league finishes prior to Moshiri taking over and since he took over. Let's also not forget that, before he took over, our managers had very little money to spend yet achieved by-and-large better league placings than those that followed; hence why I said we had regressed under Moshiri.

Yes, I agree he has now appointed a world-class manager, and yes, we have a new stadium in the planning, but that has to be paid for and as we saw with both Arsenal and Spurs they spent very little in the transfer market while building their stadiums. So I think we can expect our transfer kitty to be greatly curtailed when we eventually do start building our stadium.

Yes we have a multi-millionaire backing the owner obviously you are referring to Alisher Usmanov, but let's not forget Usmanov has already bankrolled Everton in getting first refusal on naming rights of the new stadium and in sponsorship deals he has done. But that money he has pumped in has been spent. I also think that those who regulate the FFP will be keeping a very close eye on any further investments from Usmanov into Everton. So that gravy train might run into problems further down the line.

So I am delighted we have Ancelotti on board – by far the best manager Moshiri could have appointed. I do think he will bring success to Everton but, with the financial constraints he may have to work under, it may take him longer than he would originally have liked.

Tony Abrahams
95 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:11:08
Ah come on Kieran, at least Bill Kenwright is one of us, and I’m actually missing him today, such was his expertise in the final few hours of the transfer window!
Robert Tressell
96 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:11:39
In fairness to you, Ian, whilst you get a lot of stick - you are right that we should be ambitious and not settle for a lot of crap. It'd be boring here without you.

Ps. You'd have made a great wing man in nightclubs. Always trying to chat up the stunners despite richer, more handsome men ahead of you in the queue.

Brian Wilkinson
97 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:12:12
Bernard trained with the first-team squad today. Granted, the Middle East have a further two days left, in the window, but Bernard could be our additional striker. :-)
Bjorn-Ivar Pedersen
98 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:17:30
I really, really wish the rumors about King would go away. He is simply not good enough, and if it is true that his wage demand is £130,000 a week (here in Norway, the rumors say so at least), it will be idiotic to sign him.

A guy who lost his place in the Norwegian national team because he is no longer good enough, how the heck can he be good enough for Everton??? Even as a backup??? On a £130k a week??

Tony Abrahams
99 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:17:32
They might look like stunners to you Robert, but they’d probably be proper ugly fuckers if you was sitting next to Ian though mate!
Thomas Richards
100 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:19:42
Brian, 94

Thanks Brian.

Martin Reppion
101 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:24:11
Ahh. I see why the live forum is so slow. All the talent is on this thread.
Joe McMahon
102 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:27:43
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts, heres one for the stattos to cheer us up, Tony Hibbert 265 appearances - 0 goals.

On the whole Everton don't do goals do they, even Big Dunc (I think) managed to top 10 PL goals just once in a season.

Thomas Richards
103 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:39:37

Agree mate.

King has scored a goal every three and a half games.

The demand to get him in has got me baffled.

Alan J Thompson
104 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:44:41
Tony (#91); I doubt he'll be drinking anything alcoholic, he's Muslim.
Brian Wilkinson
105 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:47:13
King will not come in unless we offload Bernard, which is looking unlikely, strap yourselves in, going to be a bumpy ride, the rest of the Day.
Danny Broderick
106 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:49:45
It looks like we won’t be signing anyone on decent wages if we are trying to lower our wage bill. So forget Khedira, Isco, Costa, even Josh King. We may get some up and coming kids on loan, or someone from the Championship, but that will be about it.
Jamie Crowley
107 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:51:48
We're not signing anyone. And as Phil at 93 accurately points out, the outgoings will be nothing to be missed.

Bring on Leeds. **gulp**

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
108 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:57:20
Joe #102. It always amuses me that pundits in MOTD always show appearances and games. Martin Keown being one and in the days Lawrenson. Their main job was to stop goals. It is almost like saying how many goal line clearances by a Gary Lineker.

We could have
Tony Hibbert - 265 appearances. 127 games in a defence which kept a clean sheet.
Alan Hansen - 520 appearances. 1 taking the lace out of the ball on the goal line in a Cup Final.

Ray Said
109 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:00:51
I would much prefer to play Richarlison as a CF if DCL gets knackered or behind the striker than try to sign second rate King on good wages and a long contract just to bench warm.
Billy Gilmour or Maitland Niles would be interesting but why would our rivals want to let them come here and if we did get them then half the fans would be saying ' we are buying rejects again'.
January transfer window is like the New Years sales-the good stuff isn't available, the stuff nobody wants is all that's on offer and you regret your buys the next month
Joe McMahon
110 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:11:11
Agreed Ray, I'd prefer Richie up top anyway, 2 up front would make a nice change.
Bill Gall
111 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:13:00
Brian # 94 I think you should change your ideas on Usmanov's financial background, both him and Moshiri are not millionaires they are billionaires and Usmanov is one of the richest Russians supposedly worth over 10billion.
Brian Wilkinson
112 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:14:10
Even if Bernard goes and we bring King in, he will still be cup tied, ok a big ask of a cup final, but worth thinking about, if we could bring a loan striker in short term, who would not be cup tied.
Kieran Kinsella
113 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:17:49
Doris Day one sung

The deadwood stage is riding on over the hills,
And it’s ship crap away,
Ship crap away,
Ship crap away

Thomas Richards
114 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:27:46
We have had our arses bit by giving average players 100k plus per week.
Fool me once. . .
Neil Lawson
115 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:36:44
I have just sped through all of the above whilst also watching Pointless. I havent got a pointless answer as yet. Waiting for the next round where the answer could well be Everton.
Derek Knox
116 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:37:19
Kieran, good one there mate. If she had only teamed up with Gladys Knight, it would have been as plain as Knight and ! :-)
Stephen Brown
117 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:37:51
The more I think about it I’d keep Bernard and swerve King!

Surely there’s a striker in Scotland, Holland, Germany we could get in at decent age and price ?!

Bryan Houghton
118 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:46:14
As we are at the sharp end of a transfer window, my rather bleak prediction for the summer window is that Man United are going to get shut of Martial. He is Anelka incarnate, and he is not going to be the player they want him to be. Rashford, however is going to chat up his mate DCL on the next England weekend away, and Man United and the media darlings / whores will have a feeding frenzy trying to make a front 3 of Rashford, DCL and Greenwood (to compete against the R.S front 3.) DCL is for me without doubt our most valuable player (Inc Richy) and maybe even our best player - if we don't build a team around him in the summer, I have a horrible feeling this will happen.
Justin Doone
119 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:48:51
I think the same as last season. Its a gradual rebuild. Quality over quantity and we will wait until Summer to buy.

I like King who's a free agent in the summer but I don't think we wan't to pay the £100k weekly wage.

I would love a good attacking player now, but I can understand our new transfer policy.

Darren Hind
120 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:50:38
Ian Edwards

Do not back down to these whinging attempts to get you to stop voicing your opinion.
There are a couple of posters on here who are averaging around 100 posts between them after each match. They patrol the threads like a pair of guard dogs refuting every criticism of this manager, no matter how factual...None of these shouter downers complain about them. In fact they will only support the excuses they offer. They're like sheep...all following the same path in the same unquestioning manner

There are some very knowledgeable fans on here who will take you to task with some fantastic counter arguments. The sheeple are not among them. They don't have a counter argument to what you say, so they will simply. err bleat that you said it.

I cant belief that people come on here to complain about your three line post..Everybody has the option of skating over posts from posters who's views they don't want to hear, but this mob mentality is designed to shut you up...They even tell you so.

You are right to criticise the shite we endure. If a small group on here cant handle the truth. Tough.

Keep reminding them of what it is they are excusing and applauding

Christy Ring
121 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:52:18
We have to bring a striker in now, totally ridiculous, Calvert-Lewin is our only striker, maybe Carlo wants to use Siggy upfront like against Wolves, but Big Dunc would still do better job even now. Imagine having a bench with no forwards.
Bobby Mallon
122 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:00:44
Darren Hind well said but he’s still wrong
Thomas Richards
123 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:06:18
Tut, tut, tut
Shakes head in disbelief.


"Everybody has the option of skating over posts from posters who's views they don't want to hear,"

Have you considered taking your own advice?

Kieran Kinsella
124 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:08:05

I don't see us buying anyone. But, to me that sends a message to DCL and Richie that they are on easy street. If their only competition comes from Sig -- a guy who can't even get into the team in his favored position -- there's not exactly massive pressure for them to perform.

Dave Abrahams
125 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:08:45
I think we are desperate for a striker, but not anywhere desperate enough to give King more than a third of what he and his agent is apparently asking for, let some other daft club sign him and repent at their leisure, I understand them trying to get wages off the books, seem to be going the wrong away about it, they could have had £9M off Burnley for Jonjo Kenny but wanted a bit more, in the future they will get less, in fact if Kenny’s agent screws his nut Everton will get nothing, like Bournemouth are getting nothing for King.
Nick Strong
126 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:08:55
The problem is we can’t play richy upfront if DCL is knackered because richy plays the same amount of games as DCL! So he’ll be knackered as well we just need another striker with a bit of pace who’s hungry
Barry Williams
127 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:16:11
Bernard transfer not going through, as reported in the ECHO!
Tony Abrahams
128 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:20:06
Desperate for a striker Dave? I remember the very first ever Everton hall of fame night at the Adelphi, (what a night!) and Everton had just signed Scott Gemmill and Kevin Campbell from Forest, that day. (Remember when deadline day was always on a Thursday?)

I went up to Walter Smith, and asked him why he’d signed them, and his reply was “for fucksake son I’ve got to do something”

That’s my feelings now, but for some unknown reason, I don’t think Ancellotti feels the same way.

Mike Keating
129 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:20:38
Stephen @ 117 - I agree but don’t think we have much choice in the matter; Echo reporting the Bernard deal has fallen through.
Chris Williams
130 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:21:35
Tosun now done and dusted
Derek Knox
131 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:22:15
Dave @ 125, spot on there mate, it shows how ridiculous these 'wages, salaries and Transfer Fees' have become, and when you factor in the Covid situation, which has affected all Clubs, especially those lower down the scale, struggling to survive. It makes it almost unbelievable that average players have the audacity to demand monopoly money.

Since we have been loosely linked with Josh King I have been watching Bournemouth games to get a glimpse, he hasn't even made the starting eleven in many. The other day I watched the Reading V Bournemouth game and had to check the team sheet to ascertain he was actually playing, such was his 'influence on the game' (?) where they were outplayed by Reading. One word, Swerve!

George Cumiskey
132 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:25:52
Darren Hind @ 120 spot on mate
Stephen Brown
133 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:28:24
Can we recall Moise Kean ?

He’s not playing that much now !

We are so short ! A couple of injuries (DCL and Richy) and we have no strikers available.

I understand the financial issues, poor value for money in January but with no incoming transfers we should have kept our existing players.

Might regret this badly in weeks to come especially as 4th is really up for grabs.

Roger Helm
134 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:29:49
It does seem mad that we are down to two forwards in the squad. Still, I remember when Mick Lyons was played up front in emergencies. That didn’t work, either.
Fran Mitchell
135 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:33:31
Stephen, I can't see any possible transfer moves in January improving our chances of fourth.

If we do manage a run of form to finish top 4, it will be down to our best players playing week in week out. Luck with injuries and suspensions.

It's unlikely, but that's the only way.

Peter Norris
136 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:36:20
Roger at 134. I can remember Steve Watson doing the same under Walter Smith?
Brent Stephens
137 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:40:05
Roger " I remember when Mick Lyons was played up front in emergencies".

Didn't Sandy Brown do likewise on occasions? In fact, was there a position he didn't step into?! Talking about modern-day players having no bloody guts, Sandy Brown was always 100% committed.

Darren Hind
138 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:40:27
Their wages are up for debate, but we can safely say that Brands and Ancelotti earn more than 10m between them.

So what ? You may ask Well they earn that sort of money to take care of the squad and yet, if Calvert- Lewin gets injured we are FCUK'd

Chris Williams
139 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:41:43
Jonjoe deal now done too
Chris Williams
140 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:43:33

Jimmy Gabriel played up front as well. Did ok

Tony Hill
141 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:44:08
Perhaps we're going to play Pickford up front.
Brent Stephens
142 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:46:00
Ah, yes, Chris. Jimmy Gabriel. He had quite a tackle as well, didn't he?!
Fran Mitchell
143 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:46:09
We may well be screwed if DCL gets injured.

Leicester, Spurs, Southampton, West Ham, Villa are all teams that too a pretty reliant on their one centre forward. All have struggled to find adequate back up.

Good, reliant centre forwards just aren't that easy to find. More fail than succeed.

I'm guessing Brands and Ancelotti are hedging their bets - more likely DCL will not get injured than we are likely to find a striker who can adequately replace him.

Brent Stephens
144 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:47:06
U23s game on Youtube at 7.00.
Kieran Kinsella
145 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:47:15
Peter Norris

Another one was Ian Marshall. Not at Everton but after he left, he was CB for Oldham until they had an injury crisis then suddenly became their striker. Ended with only four less career goals than Big Dunc.

Robert Tressell
146 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:47:24
Tony, Walter was right. He did have to do something because we were heading for relegation weren't we?

Ancelotti is heading for 6th to 9th. There's no great gain from spending now. And there's nothing really at stake.

It's shit for us as fans because it robs us of a bit of hope - and might rob us of a few wins - and I like the Europa league too.

Tony Abrahams
147 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:49:05
Darren I heard something today that really got me thinking about Brands. I don’t know the ins and outs, but unless Everton get a decent loan fee off Celtic, then I think Kenny’s value is going to drop by at least 50% once we get to the summer and he enters the last twelve months of his contract, so I was very surprised that they never just took the fee on offer from Burnley now.
Tony Abrahams
148 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:50:43
Nothing to disagree with Robert, because he initially only signed them both on loan
Kieran Kinsella
149 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:52:01
Tony Abrahams

Assuming the Burnley rumors are true, then that makes absolutely no sense at all.

Stephen Brown
150 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:56:27
Fran @135
Can’t disagree with any of that but I’d prefer to have Kean, Walcott, Bernard and even Bolasie as options off the bench than having nothing like we did on Saturday!

I get the saving of the wages but there’s a real opportunity for someone this season and despite Saturday’s terrible showing, why not us!?

We really are short now and a few injuries to forwards has a huge impact !! Who’s 3rd choice CF now ??

Darren Hind
151 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:57:23
I heard he wasnt keen to go Burnley Tony.

I don't get why he agreed to go to Celtic. Dont get me wrong they are a great club with fantastic history and you'd have to be mad not to want to play in front of 60,000 screaming Sellic supporters...but this is lock down. the place is empty. The league is poor and much as I hate to say it the Hoops are currently crap

Chris Williams
152 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:58:29

He took no prisoners, but he was very polite when he first arrived. He used to help them up off the floor after he’d flattened them. Soon gave up on that.

Jimmy, Stevens and Tony Kay were immense in the post freeze long run in to the 1963 Championship. As important as Young and Vernons goals.

Steel, class and commitment. It cemented Kay’s reputation as an Everton great. They were magnificent.

Bobby Mallon
153 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:02:53
Tony 147, maybe Kenny said I’m not being sold, I’m seeing out my contract then I’m off for fuck all. I’ll go on loan but I’m not leaving till I can get all the money.
Mike Corcoran
154 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:05:46
Vaguely remember Andy King playing up front and bagging a hat trick?
Tony Abrahams
155 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:07:36
We have got to assume everything Bobby, but if this was the case I don’t reckon Everton would have allowed him to go to Celtic, straight after talks with Burnley, broke down.

He went to Celtic, because he’s desperate to play football, Darren, and after the Burnley move broke down, he thought he was going to be stuck at Finch/Farm, just to make the numbers up.

Chris Williams
156 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:08:01
Now Bernard looks like staying,mGordon might go out on loan. Preston interested?
Tony Hill
157 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:08:11
The idea that we are going to buy our way into the top 4, in a way we have not managed to do for many years, by clever acquisitions over two/three/four windows is, to put it kindly, speculative.

Every other side will strengthen and the unique, volatile nature of this season is unlikely to be repeated. We have a big chance right in front of us while Tottenham, Chelsea and Arsenal flounder - and it looks as though we're going to pass it up. Relying on two forwards for the rest of the season will be absurd.

Dave Round
158 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:10:05
This season has a feeling similar to when Leicester won, there is the opportunity for someone different to upset the European places but we appear under prepared to capitalise on this. I get covid has disrupted the finances but it's the same for everyone. Even when we were on the run of form I can't help but feel Allardyce was back. We appear to be playing the numbers which is fine for a few games but ultimately bites you in the bum against teams also doing this or teams ultimately superior. I just hope Carlo can work some magic.
John Tierney
159 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:12:54
I’ve spotted a few bleaters on here. Those that beat the same boring drum no matter what the topic. Given enough time, those like Ian Edwards and Darren Hind have a decent enough chance to be proved right - Not many managerial appointments end in glory, but fuck me it’s boring in the meantime.

Yes some of the football has been appalling to watch at times but it’s also produced some excellent and unexpected results.

Ancelotti inherited a bloated, overpaid squad, with players bought by many different managers including some still here since Moyes’ time and with a few astute, targeted additions in the ONE real window he’s had, has them threatening the top end of the table. In his first 38 games in charge he has achieved a points total that would have us challenging the top six most seasons.

Moshiri has gotten a lot of things wrong since he took control, but I don’t think appointing Ancelotti or backing him, be it with money or time (ideally both) is one of them.

You don’t have to be a sheep or a happy clapper to think that for once, there ‘might’ be a plan.

P.s. on topic, I hope we sign a few, boy does Carlo needs them ;)

David Currie
160 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:13:41
Mike 154, Yes Kingy scored a hat trick playing as a striker against Bristol City. Was there that day think we won 4-1.
Ian Edwards
161 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:18:04
John 159. It may be a boring drum but it's the truth and not as boring as the football being played or as boring as the defensive squad that Carlo Parkthebus is building.
Dave Round
162 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:20:40
We are doing to DCL what Spurs did to Kane (not comparing ability). Run them into the ground and ultimately injuries will kick in. Tosun at least offered an option for the last 20 minutes to spare the legs. I would like to see Nkounkou get an occasional chance on the left wing like we did with Coleman. It highlights his attacking ability whilst covering defensive frailties, meanwhile breaking him in for next season. Can't be worse than as we are.
Thomas Richards
163 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:24:04
That James is some defender Ian

Ancelotti had signed four first team players?
One defender
Two midfielders
One genius.

Where is the defensive squad he is building?

Brian Wilkinson
164 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:30:23
David@160, that game was January 1979, it was Baltic that Day, I was in the Park end with plenty of spaces and not much chance of crowd being a bit more compact for a bit of warmth.

We did indeed win 4-1 with King scoring a hatrick.

It is on YouTube that game a good 20 odd minutes, maybe more.

Joe Royle was playing for Bristol City.

Ian Edwards
165 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:30:55
Thomas. By letting go all forward options except DCL and Richarlison. . Kean, Tosun, Walcott, Bolasie, Gordon. We had two Keepers and 5 defenders on the bench last game. The only other was Gordon who is going.

The squad is now 3 keepers, 8 Defenders, 13 midfielders and 2 forwards.

Paul Birmingham
166 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:32:12
Bjorn@98, good point and as always in life, the adage, be careful, as to what you wish for and get, is not always the same.

I’m hoping and believe that the club has a stratedgy and a plan for this window and the summer window.

My gut is that there won’t be any incomings, by 11 p.m. tonight, but I could be wrong.

Seriously massive game v Leeds, on Wednesday, and I hope the players can take their medicine, and antone for Saturday.

Rob Dolby
167 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:32:49
IMO The most glaring position we need to fill is a midfielder who can get about the pitch and free up Rodriguez and Richarleson to do their stuff in the final third.

City have played without a striker for most of the season, lpool have played without an out an out striker for about 3 years.

The game is changing, speed and technique are the pre requisites. Who has been better than Messi or Ronaldo over the last 20 years? Neither of them you would class as out and out strikers

Thomas Richards
168 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:34:38
Decent mix that Ian.
One forward in would be a good balance.

What ratio of positions would you think ideal.

Do you think the names you mention who have left would make a difference to our finishing position ?

Ian Edwards
169 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:40:00
I think Bolasie would be a decent impact sub to run at Defences and is better than Bernard. Walcott has shown with Saints he can score. Tosun would have scored goals in a two up front with DCL or in a three including Richarlison. So would Kean.
Darren Hind
170 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:40:10
And a partridge in a pear tree
Thomas Richards
171 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:43:02
Ian E.


Do you know how many league goals the five of them have scored between them for EFC this season?

Stephen Brown
172 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:46:09
Broadhead is playing well for u23s. Surely worth the empty spot in the bench whether we get King or not?!
Christy Ring
173 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:51:46
Thomas# 163 Have to agree completely, Carlo has only bought four players and Brands is trying to get rid of mediocre players, some on high wages, but I still think he has to bring in a striker, because our bench against Newcastle with no attacking players apart from Gordon was shocking. If King is looking for £100k in wages, I'd leave him there, why not bring in Shane Long as a stop gap, unless Carlo has something up his sleeve. Kenny going to Celtic is a strange one, they've lost Frimpong, so he's guaranteed his place, and being a free agent in the summer, he'll definitely look good in the Scottish league.
Thomas Richards
174 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:51:47
Spike Milligan is in
Justin Doone
175 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:53:46
Burnley are rivals. Kenny a good player and would love to supply two big strikers with crosses.

Celtic a safer bet and will probably get more game time.

Financially I think we could still get 5M in the summer for him but this is a good chance to showcase his talents for a new contract or team.

Thomas Richards
176 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:55:11
Agree on a striker Christy.

Has to be an upgrade on players leaving though.

John Tierney
177 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:56:14
Ian I agree with you that some of the football, especially since we lost our midfield, has been boring. Appalling if you consider the Newcastle game, but don’t you allow any leeway for what he is working with? Had we tried to be more expansive with that midfield in the game at home to Leicester for example, we might have got an actual hiding instead of a ‘lucky’ draw. Against Newcastle, only one player on the pitch was his, and for me James was one of the few players that looked like they gave a shit. I don’t think we have lacked effort or application in many games this season and he called them out on it right away.

That isn’t how I want my team to play either. I just don’t get how a few of you go on about getting rid of Ancelotti as being the answer. He came in and improved us and several of the players he inherited. He’s playing to our strengths while trying to not over-expose our weaknesses (largely in my opinion, ‘the midfield’) That’s the sign of a good manager to me.

Anthony Jones
178 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:57:57
Would have liked to see Milik as an option.

Think that rumour died.

Thomas Richards
179 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:00:36
Meant to add to my last post.

Maitland Niles move to WBA is reported to be on hold as anotber Prem club has made a bid.

Please let it be us.
Exact profile of player we should build into our squad

Brian Wilkinson
180 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:00:59
Bernard staying, forget any incomings, only Besic outgoing of interest now, other than that, transfer window over for us.

Regards Victor Meldew.

Brent Stephens
181 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:04:04
Ian, you would want us to hang on to the likes of Bolasie, Walcott, Tosun? Ambition, man, ambition!

Not as bad as suggesting playing Simms, though, as your mate did!

Pat Kelly
182 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:04:38
I'd take Victor Meldrew now
Tony Everan
183 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:08:45
Anthony, Milik went to Marseille. Brands wasn’t bluffing when he said it was all about the outgoings. He will be gutted that Bernie’s 125k pw is still on the books. The UAE can sign players up until Wednesday so may be it can be resurrected if they are arguing about money.
Ray Roche
184 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:10:03
Ian, you say Walcott has started scoring for Saints, yet his form has dropped off a cliff and he’s been getting battered by Saints fans on ‘social media’. Let him go.
Brendan McLaughlin
185 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:10:46
BBC reporting we've made an offer for King
Darren Hind
186 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:12:17
Carlo has signed two center halves two midfie;d players who offer zilch going fotward This is getting funnier than when Mockers handed John G his arse
Tony Hill
187 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:12:19
Thomas @179, I agree. he has raw errors still in him but he has great potential. We badly need a striker, though. As it is, we are trusting to luck with injuries.
Darren Hind
188 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:13:29
did they say how much Brendan ?
Brendan McLaughlin
189 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:17:44
No Darren
Expect it'll be a Kings ransom...boom,boom! BTW Everton are 1/10 on with Skybet to sign King
Kieran Kinsella
190 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:19:44
Let me be the first to say we need to unload the deadwood Joshua King asap
Conor McCourt
191 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:19:45
Pat I don't beleeeeeve it!!! That guy has got one foot in the grave!!!
Thomas Richards
192 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:19:56
Godfrey and. . . . .


Darren Hind
193 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:22:07
Answers on a postcard for the Toby ?
Justin Doone
194 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:22:26
Former player Hornby to Aberdeen on loan.

Not linking these but I always believe there is talent in the Scottish PL and the Championship. Could we not loan someone..

Deeney, Ighalo, OK I've started to get desperate despite admitting that I don't think anyone is coming in.

Thomas Richards
195 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:25:16

Who are the two centre halfs Ancelotto has signed for Everton?

Joe McMahon
196 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:26:39
I don't get it, Niasse when he got a run of goals for us was no worse stike rate than king. Surely we should have just utilised Tosun more also. Walcott can also play upfront, it just seems a shambles.
Thomas Richards
197 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:27:13
He doesnt mean the 17 year old kid does he?

Ying tong ying tong, ying tong tiddle ey de

Thomas Richards
198 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:31:50
"Money can't buy you happiness but it does bring you a more pleasant form of misery"

Spike 1992.

Hope you win the lottery my friend. 😁😁

Robert Tressell
199 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:35:27
Ian @169. I agree that Bolasie (weird player though he is) would have offered us something different (pace at least). Not sure why we paid him to do nothing. He could have been given minutes at the end of games. As you say, can't imagine he'd have been worse than others.

Stephen @172. I'd completely forgotten about Broadhead. He is a cut above U23s though no great shakes at Burton. Maybe they see enough in him to be an emergency stand in if needs be.

Fran Mitchell
200 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:35:47
King is probably as good as January offers, which is why I'm non-plussed. I truly hope the wages we offer are reasonable for what he is worth. As a back up, he has pace and can play out wide or centrally.

He is not someone who is going to transform our club, he is not someone who is gonna improve us.

He's a squad player. Nothing more.

Gordon on loan is a good move. He is not up to the level required, that has been clear when he did step up. He's talented, but needs experience playing week in week out. Bit of Championship experience and he could make an impact like Harvey Barnes is doing for Leicester.

Rob Halligan
201 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:37:33
It's funny how all the players people have been trying to hound out of the club for a year or two, and most of them have been moved on, suddenly seem to be required again.

I agree, a useless piece of shit on the bench is better than no shit at all but, for fuck's sake, make your fucking minds up!!

Tony Abrahams
202 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:38:05
Never been anything more than a comic but the express is saying King to Everton for around £5-6 million.

The echo are saying Gordon is going to Preston, a good move for young Anthony I’d say

Good post Rob, there’s nothing worse than putting on subs, who are not really good enough, and usually just for the sake of it

Stephen Brown
203 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:38:16
Yes he’s scored 2 again tonight. Surely he can take a bench slot if we have 9 spaces. Granted, he’s probably not the answer but I’d rather him on the bench if DCL or Richy got injured?!
Brent Stephens
204 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:41:54
Is that the 17 year old kid that's gone out on loan as part of his continuing development?
Tony Hill
205 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:42:13
I think King is a good player. I'd be pleased if we got him.
Thomas Richards
206 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:44:57
Thats the one Brent.

Its balanced off though mate.

Using the same logic he has signed two flying attacking full backs.

Bobby Mallon
207 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:45:07
Man Utd offered £20 million for king in the transfer window and Bournemouth turned them down. He is not as bad as people want to think. He doesn’t want to play for Bournemouth and hasn’t since they blocked his move.
Brian Wilkinson
208 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:45:33
Here’s the latest guys, Josh King has gone from odds of 2/1 against to 1/6 on to join Everton, Bournemouth rumours reckon they have accepted Evertons £5 Million bid and Everton can now talk to him.
Barry Rathbone
209 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:46:17
Just watched the youtube show reel of King and he has that happy knack of keeping the ball low when shooting something goalies hate. On that basis I hope he signs
Rob Halligan
210 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:47:17
Should Josh King sign, then he certainly won't be getting the £120k per week I read somewhere that he wanted, and I doubt his contract will be any more than 2½ years.
Thomas Richards
211 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:49:09

If hes coming the sensible thing is to buy him

Doesnt work out you will get double your money back.

Less wages as well

Rob Halligan
212 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:49:09
Bobby # 207, was that in this window or the last summer one, because I don’t recall that?
Bobby Mallon
213 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:51:17
Rob, it was in the last summer one
Bill Gienapp
214 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:52:08
I agree Rob (201). People are seriously on here pining for Walcott? I spent the last two years listening to people flip out every time he started and putting him at the top of every "dead wood" list, and now letting him leave was somehow a "dereliction of duty?"
Tony Everan
215 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:52:32
It will be the best opportunity King ever gets, he should be moving heaven and earth to get here and prove himself.
Brent Stephens
216 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:52:33
Hand that arse over, Thomas.
Steve Shave
217 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:53:35
Did I just finish work and stumble into a parallel universe where football teams don't need attacking players anymore? Why in the actual fuck are we letting Gordon go out on loan? We need cover. King will be an OK signing but not exactly one to get the pulses racing.
Rob Dolby
218 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:54:23
Getting King on 100k a week just to bench warm doesn't make any sense.

Do we want to progress as a club or continue to pay average players top wages then moan about them.

We have all said we need to get rid of "deadwood" but we continually stockpile it.

I was hoping that with getting Ancelotti onboard that he would demand greater quality signings to progress us.

I can live with us selling poor players and only having a couple of subs on the bench in the hope that better quality will be brought in. Signing a 2nd rate striker isn't a good sign for the future.

That's if there is any truth in the King rumour.

David Pearl
219 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:56:17
We don't know any salary details yet but if he comes improves our squad and can cover both DcL and Richarlison *not at the same time.
Stuart Sharp
220 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:57:14
I occasionally find myself agreeing with Ian E's point that it's a bit irresponsible to leave ourselves so short of strikers, even if I don't think it's 100% Carlo's fault. But then he goes and laments the loss of Tosun, Bolasie, Walcott etc... I mean, really? These are players most of us have been desperate to get off the books, even before Carlo arrived. They are part of previous failed regimes and need to go.

But, I do sincerely hope we get a striker in. It would be baffling, especially now the finances have been eased by the various exits.

I think King is a good player. Maybe not a signing to get the pulse racing, but good given the circumstances and an upgrade on Tosun/Simms. Kean is hard to judge, but he didn't want to be here.

Mal van Schaick
221 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:57:15
King two goals all season. Great top four ambitions.
Thomas Richards
222 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:57:42
One of the flying full backs has just scored.

Jay Woods, who knows his stuff, reporting from Brazil " what the fuck a left back is doing in the six yard box from that move I don't know."

Off the cuff footballer this lad.
Got high hopes for him

Darren Hind
223 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:58:10

I think we have established Carlo has signed two centerbacks (although one of them wont be 19 for a few months) He Has signed two midfield players who offer zilch going forward (but don't half tackle a lot) and he has signed a full back - who cant get a selected until the devil has been removed from his game

Just because 5 out of six of his signings are defenders. it doesnt mean Ian Edwards is right about building a squad of spoilers and It doesnt mean the excuse makers are wrong - Again !

Oh alright it does...but Josh King is on his way to redress the balance

Derek Knox
224 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:59:04
Just been watching the U-23's V Derby, Nathan Broadhead could well do a job if given the chance, should we not get anyone in, which is looking increasingly likely, he scored two and could have/should have had a hat trick, Thierry Small played well and scored too. There were a few good showings from the youngsters and commitment, better and more entertaining than Saturday's first 11 abject performance.
Thomas Richards
225 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:00:41
Its too heavy Brent
Mike Gaynes
226 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:01:55
Funniest transfer strategy I've heard yet -- Watford signing sons of the famous.

They've signed Bergkamp's kid, who was released by a second-tier Dutch club, and Maurizio Pochettino from Spurs.

Maybe we should do the same. Does a certain infamously never-signed South American midfielder (whose name I have sworn never to use again) have a kid?

Nick Strong
227 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:02:01
I hope king doesn’t pick Fulham instead of us that would be an embarrassing knock back
Rob Dolby
228 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:02:14
Stuart 220. Do you think Guardiola is being irresponsible in not buying a striker for one of the wealthiest clubs in the world when he only has 2 strikers one of which is injured?
Philip Bunting
229 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:03:34
Clear the dead wood as we have been doing each window. But please, do NOT waste funds on Josh King. Out first 11 needs quality to it and at 29, King is not that.
Paul Hewitt
230 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:06:04
I hope king does pick Fulham over us.
Brent Stephens
231 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:10:15
You sign players to go into the first team now. And you sign players to be developed for a future first team role - unless you have injuries and you have to put them in as an emergency, but you might still end up sending them out on loan to develop further.
Justin Doone
232 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:12:42
Kirk is Parma bound
Martin Berry
233 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:15:28
King is a really good player and a handful on his day, he should not be dismissed, he is strong, quick and scored goals in a poor team.
He has been injured this season so don't judge his current scoring record.
If we can get him for 5m he will be a snip.
Nick Strong
234 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:17:32
paul 220 I think your cutting your nose of to spite your face there.
We need someone.
I personally would have stuck with Tosun if there is no decent strikers available but now he’s gone we defo need someone or were riding are look with injuries. And things go stale
Barry Thompson
235 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:20:31
Will he get the Captain’s job Jason
Rob Dolby
236 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:21:10
Martin 233. If he was that good he wouldn't be at Bournemouth. I don't see any of the big guns fighting over his signature. Is he better than what we have?

I just hope that he picks Fulham. Bad signs that we are even linked with him.

Gavin Johnson
237 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:21:16
I'm happy if we bring King in. He's mobile, got pace and can play across the front 3. He's a lot better than Tosun for our style of play. The £5m fee mooted will be recouped in the summer after Tosun puts himself in the shop window.

So you have to ask yourself whether you'd prefer Tosun who can't play as a lone striker and doesn't have pace, or would you prefer a player who can run with the ball and can over three positions, and is a proven premier league player?!?

If we also manage to offload Mo Besic's wages this will be a decent window.

Colin Metcalfe
238 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:21:51
Tosun, Bolasie, Walcott and now Joshua King honestly you couldn’t make it up !
Why do constantly buy players that other clubs no longer want !
Kieran Kinsella
239 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:24:21
Mike Gaynes

Didn't Norwich used to do that? pretty sure at one point they had Paul Dalglish (son of Kenny) and Alex Bruce (son a Steve), may have been when Mike Walker (son of a bitch) was there

Darren Hind
240 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:26:09
Martin @233

I hope you are right. If I'm honest. King has largely gone under my radar. I've seen him of course, but not enough to make a semi decent assessment.

He is getting dismissed here by people who have clearly seen more of him than I have..but sometimes this sort of signing works out.

If he signs I will embrace him and pray he forges a long successful career as an Everton player. If he doesnt... fuck him

Justin Doone
241 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:27:01
King is better than Tosun, Walcott, Kean, Bernard and Gordon.
He offers a genuine attacking threat and realistic competition for DCL (technically better) and Ric, (looked awful this past month, maybe disinterested?).

If we get him surely he's a good signing that improves the squad and possibly team on current form.

Plus, it's not my money but I think good value.

Tony Abrahams
242 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:28:19
I’ve just read Gordon has gone, and another long shot is that Reading fancy Besic, if they can just get him out of that robe!
Peter Gorman
243 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:28:41
King is nothing special at all, about as talented as that other old Bournemouth striker called Callum Wilson - not good enough to take the club to Europe but still good enough to tear the arse out of our gutless wonders on his day.
Paul Birmingham
244 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:35:32
Interesting that Sky Sports on the internet claiming verbal agreements on a transfer between, Everton, and Fulham, have been agreed.

I’d like to see if this transpires down to the player?

Looks like Gordon going on loan to PNE.

Trevor Peers
245 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:36:03
It would be a reasonable gamble to get King on loan, but to buy and put him on huge wages smacks of absolute desperation.

Carlo and Brands have had months to sort out this important striker issue but have shown a totally arrogant neglect of duty. Leaving it so late in the day to take any action.

Tony Hill
246 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:37:19
King has scored a number of goals against us, of course. One particularly impressive one in the Park End, I recall.
Conor McCourt
247 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:43:09
Loan until the end of the season. Average player but does have pace and versatility so can change a game from the bench.

Disappointed Lossl has been sold. Thought we may have eclipsed a Premier League record by having three goalies on the bench against Leeds. I seen there is a guy called Delph in our squad, does anyone know where he plays?

Kieran Kinsella
248 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:44:02
King or no King, the real challenge isn't replacing those who've gone (e.g. Tosun) it is replacing those who are still here (Sig, Gomez, Davies, Coleman) who seem incapable of creating any goalscoring opportunities for our strikers.
Kieran Kinsella
249 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:44:46

I think Delph plays hooky for the most part

John Williams
250 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:45:32
Still an hour or so to go before the Transfer window closes but at this point : glad to see the back of Tosun and Lossl: disappointed that Bernard hasn't also gone: sorry to see Kenny go but I think Burnley would have been the better option, he is joining Celtic at the wrong time. The loan move could be making of Gordon (or not, its up to him). Relieved that some of touted interest in players such as Milik, Khedira and Zirksee came to nothing.

If the interest in King is genuine then it smacks of the same desperation that gave us Iwobi. I can only think that we are trying to gazump Fulham so that he can't score his first goal of the season, and their winner, for them at Goodison in couple of weeks time. He will be next seasons deadwood.

Justin Doone
251 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:46:59
Wilson is a more direct striker and is also better than Tosun, Walcott etc.

His injury record was always a problem whilst King is more of a forward. Can cover the wing's and centre and less injury prone.

King improves us. Better than the out goings. Other top club's haven't gone for him because they don't need another forward who may not be better than what they have.

Look at other top clubs attacking options. They all have 4 or 5 good options. We have 2. Fulham have more options than we do. Its about the fit. Identify what we need and bring in the best you can.

Comparing our team and squad to Man City or them lot is laughable. Striker's or no Striker's, they both have forwards and midfielders that create and score and more importantly fit what and how they want to play.

Brent Stephens
252 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:48:21
Maybe we'll just have to bring Simms back?!
Ian Edwards
253 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:48:52
King going to Fulham.
Simon Dalzell
254 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:51:49
Ian, please could you elaborate. I can't see this anywhere yet.
Gavin Johnson
255 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:52:45
Peter #243 your comment about Callum Wilson sounds ridiculous given Saturdays performance against us and the other goals he's scored this season. Is he a top 6, 1st choice striker?! No! but like Kings, he's better than what we have on the bench. United thought King was good enough to bid £20m recently. As a pacey player who can run with the ball, he might not be the player we want, but he might well be the player we need.
Brian Murray
256 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:54:20
Besides his pace and talent whether he’s rated or not. He has something that most of our first 11 don’t have and that’s a hunger and a real streak in him to make the most of what he’s got. King is a definite upgrade than the likes of Tosun so it’s a start anyway. More will be gone in the summer so we can really push and look properly. All this doesn’t excuse Brands for a total lack of vision and planning that’s leaving us high and dry until then.
Ian Edwards
257 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:55:02
Simon. Jason Burt of Daily Telegraph just tweeted it.
Simon Dalzell
258 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:56:15
Thank you very much Ian. Lets hope he's wrong !!
Dave Round
259 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:58:00
King is better than nothing, but 3 goals in 14 in the championship is unlikely to disturb the starting lineup.
Joe McMahon
260 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:58:39
Yup, he's chosen Fulham anyway. I assume first team football and the pull of London. So we have one striker, and as good in the air he is, rarely scores outside the 6 yard box with his feet.
Tony Hill
261 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:02:09
Shame. We must hope that the Gods favour us with what we've got. It's a big ask.

If Gordon goes to Preston, we're even barer. Extraordinary in my view.

Justin Doone
262 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:02:33
Agree about Brands. He's hardly raised the bar in terms of finding hidden gems ready for the 1st team.

I'm Pretty sure Allan and James are Carlos buys. Doucoure possibly.

Other's could potentiality be brilliant, Godfrey and Brainthwaite. But what about finding what we have needed for several seasons ie forwards!

Kieran Kinsella
263 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:02:45
following in the footsteps of the Great Radzinski
John Skelly
264 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:08:10
King no Zaha yes I can dream can't I
Jim Jennings
265 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:09:16
Wow. What “pulling power”.

Carlo Fantastico couldn’t even attract Josh King to Everton.

That means 5 of his 6 signings have been defenders. Yes, midfielders Allan and Doucouré are now defenders.

What a frankie! Give the job to 🦏

Stephen Brown
266 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:09:44
Gordon cannot be allowed to go now plus any recall option on Kean, Simms, Walcott must be exercised. This is bordering on negligence!!
Joe McMahon
267 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:13:07
Justin@262, I stated I think yesterday that unfortunately Everton don't do goals. Lukaku aside and a bit of the Yak, it's been decades. It's so frustrating as the for 50 years our lovely neighbours just seem to score endlessly.

Im sure I'm not the only one fed up with low scoring negative football. Robertos first season the main highlight for donkeys. I'm with Darren as so far as Carlo goes, hes gonna have to kick this squad up the arse for me to be won over.

Tony Abrahams
268 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:13:48
Only looking for a six month contract, and he would be a free agent in the summer?

Darren Hind
269 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:14:39
Pat's runt of a son is not a happy bunny...what a sorry individual.

Maybe the club is simply having a slight dip in fortunes

Rob Halligan
270 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:17:51
Both us and Fulham are offering £5M and a six month contract, doesn’t that just amount to the deal being a loan deal?
Jim Jennings
272 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:19:00
Pat’s son! LMHO

In the land of the Hind, the one eyed man is King

Brent Stephens
273 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:21:08
Stephen "any recall option on Kean, Simms, Walcott must be exercised".

Stephen, we know Darren wants Simms to be given a chance in the first team but surely that's a step too far?

Darren Hind
274 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:22:14
Nobody expected any super signings/

What a pair of goons. - Brands and Ancelotti

Kieran Kinsella
275 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:24:18
Not exactly Riquelme is he?
Thomas Richards
276 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:24:27

A £5 million loan fee?

Conor McCourt
277 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:25:46
Maybe Costa is in the pipeline?
Alex Gray
278 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:26:19
Well we better hope that nobody gets injured attacking wise for half a season with no rotation options. Seems sensible...
Thomas Richards
279 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:27:03
Two sugars please Conor
Gavin Johnson
280 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:27:25
Looks like Nathan Broadhead might have to be our super sub! ;)
Joe McMahon
281 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:28:18
Bollox to this I'm off to bed, I'm still fuming we didn't sign Lee Trundle. Good night fellas!
Tony Hill
282 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:33:06
Alan Myers says we shouldn’t believe the Fulham story. God knows.
Trevor Peers
283 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:33:57
Allowing Gordon to go makes no difference at all he's totally not ready for the first team, he needs to learn his trade and stop listening to his agent, who knows nothing.
Carlo and Brands have between now and the summer to find a suitable striker or two if they can be bothered. Until then we'll just have to go with what we've got, injuries permitting. It won't be very pretty that's for sure.
Stuart Sharp
284 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:34:26
Rob 228

I think it's less irresponsible than what Everton have done. What with Pep having one of the best squads on the planet. A superb midfield and, lately, a stingy defence. If we had Stirling, Mahrez, Foden, De Bruyne etc., I reckon we could do without Josh King.

Brian Wilkinson
285 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:39:40
The way our forward has whittled down to one, I would take Mervin king in at the moment let alone Josh King.
Stephen Brown
286 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:40:07
Brent I’m possibly getting carried away but if King doesn’t come off we have no forwards available for the bench at all and that’s assuming DCL and Richy stay fit for all the rest of the season!!
Brent Stephens
287 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:44:24
Stephen, I think you're concern is well-founded. It's just that Walcott maybe, Kean sort of possibly, but Simms - well, I couldn't see that he was ever in the frame for a runout with the first team.
Darren Hind
288 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:44:53
Disappointing night only lightened by the obsessive runt.

Maybe in the summer window....

Gavin Johnson
289 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:45:59
SSN says we're expected to be signing King, whist Fulham will get Josh Maja on loan from Bordeaux. Maja is the lad who was at Sunderland and might have been a good option for us
Thomas Richards
290 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:46:30
Hiccups in the market again.

Burnley signed a forward?

Si Cooper
291 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:48:18
Is it just me, or has the headline on the OP changed?
Ernie Baywood
292 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:49:24
Feels like the low key deadline day is telling us that football clubs are not in great financial shape.

We're whittling down our squad.

John Raftery
293 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:49:41
So contrary to all the garbage an hour ago, King will be joining us. Long live the King!
Darren Hind
294 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:50:12
Joshua won the battle of Jericho, Jericho, Jericho.

Joshua won the battle of Jericho..and the walls came tublin' down

Tony Abrahams
295 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:50:41
Wierd decision to sign him on a six month contract, maybe Bournemouth just want him out the club, because he might be unsettling others?
Brent Stephens
296 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:51:04
Hooked him.
Thomas Richards
297 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:51:42
King signing.

Is that us sorted now then?
Everyone happy? 😁

Brendan McLaughlin
298 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:52:00
BBC reporting it's a done deal...King to Everton
Sean Callaghan
299 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:52:23
You don't have to take this crap. You don't have to sit back and relax...
Barry Williams
300 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:52:36
King makes sense, covers 3 positions, offers competition and we are not stuck with him long term if he isn't what is required.

Come the summer, we will completely have Walcott's wages, Bolasie's wages, Besic's wages, off the wage bill. Potentially fees for Tosun, Bernard, Kenny and a big fee for Kean, thus it starts shaping more into Ancelotti's/Brand's squad.

Also, Lossl off the wage bill.

Branthwaite will have more experience, as will Simms, possibly Gordon if he goes out on loan.

Slowly, but surely getting there.

Thomas Richards
301 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:53:47
Who the fuck are chumbawumba..
Who the fuck are chumbawumba.
Brent Stephens
302 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:55:10
Barry "Branthwaite will have more experience, as will Simms, possibly Gordon if he goes out on loan.
Slowly, but surely getting there."


Rob Dolby
303 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:55:16
Stuart my point is that if we can improve the team with quality then great. If we can't don't just stockpile more average players.

City and Lpool don't play with out and out strikers and funnily enough are the most successful teams.

Why do we have to prioritize a striker when we need more legs in the midfield.

Since Koeman and Walsh stockpiled players we have been wanting to get rid of the deadwood. Now that we are getting rid of the deadwood people aren't happy in losing esteemed players such as Bolase, Tosun,Walcott and Besic.

The big picture to me is that we have a manager that the club should bankroll and compete for top players.

Competing with Fulham over an average player in the last hour of a transfer window is disturbing to me and more or less says to Ancelotti that the club has no ambition to actually improve.

Most fans expectations where raised when bringing in Ancelotti. Buying average players then expecting us to swallow that we will challenge is insulting. Average players bring average results.

Kenn Crawford
304 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:56:15
Well I’ve heard he can run the channel
Hope it’s the one between Dover and Calais.
Tony Hill
305 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:57:26
I’m happy. I think this is an important signing.
Gavin Johnson
306 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:58:02
6 month initial deal. Not sure where the £5m fee is from?! Surely we haven't paid that for what is essentially a loan
Tony Abrahams
307 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:58:08
The only conclusion I can draw from this is that Bill Kenwright is still in charge of the transfers!
James Fletcher
308 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:58:52
If this is just a 6 month contract then I'm all for it, good bit of business getting cover for DCL without just adding to the pile of crap we need to offload
Barry Williams
309 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:00:23
Brent Stephens - 302

It was never going to be an overnight fix, was it!?

Jim Jennings
310 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:01:27
Tony #307

Looks like you’re right. According to the Athletic:
“ Blues chairman Bill Kenwright is understood to be playing a key part in negotiations over the transfer for the Norway international, who would add further attacking depth to the squad.”

Darren Hind
311 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:01:56
Seems ha way Tony

"I get knocked down,, but I...,get. up,,,err...again"

Brent Stephens
312 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:02:14
Totally agree, Barry. They're our future.
Colin Metcalfe
313 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:02:17
Totally underwhelmed, I thought those days of signing bang average players for top dollar were over and the yet the Everton free loader ship just keeps rolling on embarrassing
John Skelly
314 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:03:20
No no hoping to be proved wrong,but it a bit of scraping at the barrel.
John Raftery
315 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:03:26
I wasn’t expecting any signings this month owing to the financial position and clubs desperate to keep hold of their best players. For me offloading several surplus players, albeit on loan deals, and bringing in Josh King on a six month contract has strengthened the squad. In the current climate that is the most we could realistically have asked for.
Thomas Richards
316 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:03:42
Cauliflower arse?
Rob Halligan
317 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:06:22
Tony # 295. His contract is up at Bournemouth this summer, so they will be made up to receive £5M for a player who could have left in the summer for nothing.
George Cumiskey
318 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:06:43
King has got to play with DCL not instead of him for me
Barry Williams
319 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:07:07
Brent Stephens - 312

Indeed, they need proper minutes under their belt. That's the problem with having an under 23s league, young peripheral players don't get enough minutes.

King, I don't know a lot about him, but he is fast I hear - and we are lacking pace, premier league ready and versatile. Ancelotti was talking up having versatile players in his squad.

Kieran Kinsella
320 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:07:35
I feel like I did when we signed Sandro, Enner Valencia, and Jermaine Beckford. I’m hoping the positive commentators are right but can’t say any I’m excited
Kieran Kinsella
321 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:09:32
The other thing is, if he’s shit that’s more money down the drain. If he’s instantly brilliant he can start negotiating his next move almost instantly as he’s on a six month deal
Barry Williams
322 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:12:46
Gordon has gone to Preston!
Thomas Richards
323 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:13:54

6 hours watching the updates has done me in.

Keep smiling blue boys

Up the toffees

Tony Twist
324 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:16:02
Let's face it we needed someone else in so I am glad that he came to us. The only thing that comes to mind regarding the length of the contract is that we didn't really want him and it sort of indicates that maybe Brands is leaving.
Brent Stephens
325 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:16:56
Gordon to Preston? Branthwaite to Blackburn? Simms to Blackpool? Our future - not now, but maybe our future. All developing.
Don Alexander
326 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:17:22
As ever, a lot will depend on his attitude - this time towards Norway in the summer. If he wants to re-establish himself in their team he has just got to get games in and impress until then. He only has six months so let's see how he does. Given his history of one in three'ish games and real pace he might just be the forward version of the revelation that Paul Power was way back.

Well I can dream can't I?

All the best Josh.

John Raftery
327 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:17:32
Just turned 29, King will on paper bring pace and a few goals to the team. He destroyed us and Brendan Galloway in particular in the 3-3 draw at Bournemouth in 2015. Whether or not he is still at that level remains to be seen. For that reason I would have been worried if we had given him the three and half year contract, reportedly offered by Fulham. The short term deal gives him every incentive to show what he can do and gives us a chance to assess how he suits the team.
Justin Doone
328 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:23:44
Well I'm happy. I didn't expect anyone but happy with King.

With it being a short term deal it may give the player extra motivation to prove himself worthy of longer.

Financially we only have a 6 month commitment so whats not to like. An instant team / squad improvement in an understregnth area.

Now Brands and Carlo can work on the top / worldclass player's to bring in during the summer and really take us forwards to challenge for the top spots.

Darren Hind
329 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:24:54
29... fits the Carlo profile
Simon Dalzell
330 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:25:38
Excellent news. Even better when you've been told on here that he's off to Fulham. That Jason Burt. It may smack of desperation, but we are pretty desperate. I agree George 318 . Lets play him with DCL. Probably too risky for Ancelotti.
Gavin Johnson
331 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:27:55
I'm glad we've got this over the line but how can we be spending £5m for a 6 month loan cos that's what it'll be if he walks for nothing in the summer??

I'm guessing Bournemouth only get the full £5m if he stays beyond 6 months

Stuart Sharp
332 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:30:50
Fair enough Rob. Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying we should sign someone out of desperation. I just think it's a bit weird that we could leave ourselves with so little attacking cover. I also think King is better than some are suggesting. I haven't watched much Championship football this season, but on the basis of his PL performances, I see him as an upgrade on Tosun.
Justin Doone
333 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:33:40
Is he our Blue King at the Kop.. top of the Klop, have a pop, please don't stop, from the bargain shop.

Bill Gienapp
334 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:34:20
King's a decent option, all things considered. Realistically, how many quality strikers would be coming here in January just to back up Calvert-Lewin?
Rob Dolby
335 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:38:44
329 Darren. I'd like to think that Ancelotti didn't have much to do with this transfer. If he was involved and actively wanted King then I fear another couple of years of treading water.

The big boys aren't going to be quivering in their boots knowing that we have signed an average player to warm the bench. 5m for 6 months on the bench, Bournemouth must be laughing their socks off.

We have also probably made Kings agent very happy as he will probably sign for nomark FC in the summer and earn another 10%.

Chris Cole
336 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:40:33
Josh King? Five years ago maybe... Nil Satis Nisi Optimum - lmao.

Does anyone know what Brands does?

Sad to say that lot over the park are far better in their dealings.

Blackburn signed another CB today, on loan from Man City. Harwood-Bellis, played in their cup match at Cheltenham a few weeks ago - competition for Branthwaite's game time there, unless they're going to play a back three

Christy Ring
337 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:41:23
We needed a striker and King is a free agent in the summer, so he has 6 mths to get a long term contract, that's an incentive. Definitely an upgrade on Tosun. Will still get plenty of commets from the knockers, who said he had chosen Fulham.
Brian Williams
338 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:42:02
Agree Bill. This is the same Josh King that Man Utd were prepared to spend £20m on in the last January window.
We've got him for six months which makes sense. Means we're not stuck with him should things not work out and that we'll be free to look in the summer for a long term alternative.
Jim Harrison
339 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:46:24
Not a signing that will win the league but should add some threat and a different option up top.

DCL has been good when those around him have got the ball in to the six yard box but hasn’t created much for himself. I think Newcastle defended well against us because they packed the six yard box and denied him opportunities

Kunal Desai
340 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:48:13
Hopefully he's King of the kop in 4 weeks time...
Kevin Molloy
341 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:49:20
nobody wants to do their big deals in Jan. So ti get a lad in who covers the positions we are very short in, and who united wanted to drop 25m on last year makes me think this is a good deal. Never seen him play like
Jay Wood

342 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:52:29
Add Beni Baningime to the loan deals.

He's joined Wayne Rooney at Derby.

Barry Williams
343 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:58:48
None of us know the terms of the deal.

What we do know is that we now have a player that covers 3 positions, and if we ain't happy with him, he will not be sitting on a long-term contract and be very difficult to shift.

He brings competition, pace and another goal threat to the squad. All much needed, and he is premier league ready and should be very motivated.

We have managed to get loans for 3 potential future first team players - Branthwaite, Gordon and Simms.

Got loan fees and part wages off the books for Tosun, Bolasie, Beningime this window, on top of getting the same for Walcott and Kean back in the summer months.

We have let Lossl go.

And this season we have brought in a keeper to back-up/challenge Pickford, 3 seasoned campaigners in Doucoure, Allen and James.

Youngsters in Branthwaite, Nkounkou, and Godfrey.

At the beginning of the season, we also got Niasse, Martina and Garbutt off the wage bill.

We still have Besic to shift, but every player now left at the club, apart from Besic, can contribute.

The summer will certainly see a lot of money freed up, and transfer fees coming in.

I am not sure whether Brands is doing a good job or not. But we are streamlining, plus improving.

It takes a lot of time to undo the last 4 managers mistakes!

Mike Gaynes
344 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:59:54
ESPN confirming Beni's loan to Wayne.
Mike Gaynes
345 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:02:52
Barry #343, agreed, I think we're finally past the point where every conversation about Marcel concerns "getting rid of the deadwood"... job pretty well done now.
Gary Willock
346 Posted 01/02/2021 at 00:02:59
It’s been a very strange window.

Lossl, Bolasie and hopefully Besic (at least by summer I guess) gone, means we now have very little ‘deadwood’ left. Hopefully Tosun finds some form and earns a permanent move too.

Simms, Branthwaite, Kenny and Gordon will all be tested now. Time to sink or swim boys. can’t complain at any of these loan moves really.

There’s obviously a lot of concern about the fire sale, and just how short we’ve left ourselves (particularly up top), but no-one who has left would currently walk in the first 11. Without Europe it’s hard to justify a stockpile.

First 11 isn’t bad at all for 6 months at least:

Coleman Mina Keane Digne
Allan Doucoure
King James Richie

9 subs are decent:

Bernard (or a kid / Gbamin)

Small and Onyango to step up if injuries.

Options to play with “flat back four”, 442 or 4-3-3 if someone not firing or injured.

and hopefully a very cheap market in the summer where Mr Moshiri can go and splash another £60m and sort out the right hand side and attacking cover.

Still great to be a blue. Just don’t smash any mirrors, or walk under any ladders folks.

Kieran Kinsella
347 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:03:31
Benigame is an interesting one. Wayne obviously has seen him in training. Presumably he rates him
Barry Williams
348 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:09:50
Mike Gaynes - 345

Yes, getting the squad streamlined was never going to be easy!

I forgot to add Kenny to the list! Plus Steklenburg, however you spell it!

Barry Williams
349 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:11:04
Gary Willock

Plenty of options to change formation, which is always a good thing!

We have Delph still, too!

Derek Thomas
350 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:21:38
Should've been signed the day after Lukaku left. I know things aren't that simple and it was hardly the worlds best kept secret, but what was wrong with the 1st of January, always with the last minute, moriarty, always with the last minute.
Can he play in the Cup?
Jerome Shields
351 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:24:16
As Brands said to buy in Jan is to panic buy. But they obviousky needed a forward and managed to get him on a short term cobtract. So itmay end up being a shroud bit of business.

What I like about King is he has played most forward positions. So he should add to final third play. He can also take a chance attacks the near post and has pace. He should work well with James and offer competition to both Richalison and Calvert Kewin, who have both gone back on Ancelottis coaching. More so in the case of the former.

Jerome Shields
352 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:24:19
As Brands said to buy in Jan is to panic buy. But they obviousky needed a forward and managed to get him on a short term cobtract. So itmay end up being a shroud bit of business.

What I like about King is he has played most forward positions. So he should add to final third play. He can also take a chance attacks the near post and has pace. He should work well with James and offer competition to both Richalison and Calvert Kewin, who have both gone back on Ancelottis coaching. More so in the case of the former.

Gary Willock
353 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:25:25
Very true Barry Williams. If he ever gets fit again, he could still be decent in a midfield three, which is what I’d like to see us go to eventually.
Barry Williams
354 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:29:49
Gary Willock - 353

Yes, if he ever gets fit, he could actually contribute something in the right formation. It wasn't that long ago he was winning premier league titles and getting international caps!

Gavin Johnson
355 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:29:59
Delph and Gbamin will both be on the bench at Leeds in the form of 2 cardboard cut outs. Kev Johnson is also expected to make the bench, along with 2 goalkeepers
Bill Watson
356 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:31:58
So, that's 10 players off, or partly off, the wage bill so well done to Brands. The youger ones will have the opportunity to show Ancelotti what they can do or maybe get a deal at the loan club and the rest are confirmed dead wood who'll be gone in the summer anyway.

I can't see any confirmation about King signing or signing for Fulham for that matter.


Yannick Bolasie - Middlesbrough, loan

Matthew Pennington - Shrewsbury, loan

Jarrad Branthwaite - Blackburn, loan

Ellis Simms - Blackpool, loan

Cenk Tosun - Besiktas, loan

Jonas Lossl - FC Midtjylland, undisclosed

Jonjoe Kenny - Celtic, loan

Beni Baningime - Derby, loan

Anthony Gordon - Preston, loan

Cenk Tosun - Besiktas, loan

Dennis Stevens
357 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:33:02
Kieran #347 They played in the same team a few times back in 2017/18. If I remember correctly, Baningime came on as sub for Rooney in one match.
Barry Williams
358 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:34:54
Gavin Johnson

Kevin Johnson the ex-heavyweight world-title contender. Now, he would have put Shelvey and his boot boys in place!

Don Alexander
359 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:40:03
Barry (#343) you in effect sum up the horror-squad Marcel had to dismantle before even making a start on fulfilling Moshiri's 2016 ambitions of consistent European involvement. To me he's doing a good job.

Unfortunately for him, CA, and us mere fans, the horror-squad was massive, on massive contracts. All the many scores of £millions spent in signing the horror-squad therefore stifle Marcel from right now signing what we all want - talented, young, enthusiastic, reliable players only.

Weeding out the dead-wood severely drops our squad numbers so, for now, we need to sign reliable, proven, talented players regardless of age.

Allan, Doucoure, James and King have all of these qualities. With Holgate, Godfrey, Branthwaite, Nkounkou, Davies, Gordon and whoever else youngster/s at the enigma that is Finch Farm already starting to show the qualities required by Marcel we might, right now, just be making a proper silk purse out of a few dozen or so pigs' ears.

Dave Round
360 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:44:03
Unless we got fairly significant loan fees, I just can't see Tosun or Kenny deals as a positive. Good enough to contribute but not to start. They will just be worth less in 6 months so what's the point. They aren't good enough long term so just sell, loans may save wages but have probably lost a combined 10 mill on their values in 6 months time
Barry Williams
361 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:46:00
Don Alexander - 359

And that is not even mentioning the Klassen, Williams, Schneiderlin fees, but 40 million for Sigurdsson etc!

Yes, it is a slow build, and getting the players that fit the young, hungry and talented template is not something that can be done without first getting in proven decent experienced players somewhere near their peak.

Bill Gienapp
362 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:48:20
Seems like, for all intents and purposes, we now have a 23-man squad moving forward.

1. Pickford
2. Holgate
3. Keane
4. Allan
5. Richarlison
6. Delph
7. Calvert-Lewin
8. Sigurdsson
9. Digne
10. Mina
11. Doucoure
12. Iwobi
13. Nkounkou
14. James
15. Bernard
16. Gomes
17. Godfrey
18. Coleman
19. Gbamin
20. Davies
21. King
22. Olsen
23. Virginia

Definitely a bit thin, seeing as how 25 is really the ideal. Maybe a couple of the younger guys can round out the bench if need be, but I don't see them getting on the pitch anytime soon. If EVERYONE is healthy, it's a decent squad... but we don't have much room for error, especially in the attacking positions.

Laurie Hartley
363 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:48:26
He wouldn't have been my first pick on a free (see post # 2) but after looking at Gary's post # 346 it makes sense.

He is 6'2" strong and with pace - and he has got a heart. My guess is Carlo is going to go for brute force with a sprinkling of stardust to compliment it.

I think the line up we are going to see is:

Holgate, Keane, Mina, Godfrey
Doucoure, Allan, Gomes
King, DCL

Its a big team that with a lot of strength and pace.

I like Richy but if I was him I would take particular notice of this move - I think he is going to have to fight for his place in the starting 11.

Dale Self
364 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:52:36
Thomas, I'm sure you were joking but just in case from the yesteryears
Tony Hill
365 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:07:18
Shrewd eye for a player, Wayne. He could be the making of Beni who I still think has serious talent.
Mike Gaynes
366 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:27:05
Laurie #363, King is six feet, and he's an absolute zero in the air -- has only one headed goal in his entire Prem career. His game is pace and aggression, but in my opinion he's pretty much a crap finisher. 12 of his 48 career goals in the Prem have been pens. Leaving those out, he scores a goal from open play every 336 minutes. That's ugly, considering how many chances he generates for himself with his speed and intelligent running.

King's talent and attitude are unquestioned, and he gives us a solid, professional backup for Richarlison and DCL that was desperately needed, but barring injury I really don't see him taking Richarlison's starting position.

Kristian Boyce
367 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:30:02
A player who was going for £15 odd million back in the summer to a nominal fee now, pretty good brinksmanship from the club.
Kase Chow
368 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:36:10
Mike #366

Ritchie has been rubbish all season. Yes he gives us some defensive solidity but rather than kick on from last season he’s actually gone backwards

Maybe King gives him some competition and he ups his game

I’d actually like to see King play up top with DCL. That would give us some serious pace and power and stretch teams.

We need some variability in attack and the King signing gives us that

It might not be a Hollywood signing but it could easily be an astute one. Marcus Bent did a great job for us once and King may be able to have a similar impact. If he gets us 10 goals I’ll be well pleased. 5 goals is probably a decent return

Peter Gorman
369 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:38:05
Exciting player - the Norwegian John Spencer.
Alan McGuffog
370 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:41:23
A so so signing really. I'd have liked a cheeky bid for Sarah to be honest
Gavin Johnson
371 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:48:24
Apart from King being about a foot taller and a totally different kind of player. One can play multiple positions, has pace to burn and is an established international and proven premier league player. The other one was shit and a fringe player at QPR and for the Scottish national team. Apart from that Ian, you'd think they were brothers from a different mother.

If King's shit he'll be gone at the end of the season so why not lighten up, Peter?! ;)

Mike Gaynes
372 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:52:18
Kase #368, considering King has only reached 10 goals twice in his five full Prem seasons, if he gives us 10 goals in half a season you should be more than "well pleased" -- you should be speaking in tongues and making fiery sacrifices to the gods.

He does have a knack for scoring late -- I distinctly remember him beating or tying the RS with a last-minute beauty a few years ago, and he beat us with a late pen more recently. Anyway, if he gives us a gamewinner or two in the league or Cup (does anybody know if he's eligible or Cup-tied?), I will consider this purchase a resounding success.

Jay Wood

373 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:03:56
Now officially confirmed on the club site.

King Signs For Everton

Gavin Johnson
374 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:11:12
Mike, in fairness to him he scored 15 the season he was playing centrally. I read something earlier in the evening that also stated that his shots to goal ratio is actually pretty decent. He's also been out wide for a large part of his Bournemouth career. He only scored 6 last season but it could be argued that was cos he was played mostly out wide on the right side, which is 3rd choice position.

I should imagine that the fee that could rise to a potential £5m will only happen if he stays beyond the 6 months. He was valued at £20m by United and Spurs have also had bids turned down in the past. This is a low risk deal for an established player. I'm not sure why people are being negative. You don't make flag ship signings in January.

Si Cooper
375 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:18:07
The price and the short-term contract add up to me.
Bournemouth didn’t really want to sell (could have in summer) and didn’t really have to. With 2 clubs interested they weren’t going to let him go for nowt.
The player had multiple options; hang on until summer, join a club where he would feature but could easily be relegated again, or give himself 6 months to possibly impress enough to earn his final big contract before he really is past it.
Unless we are paying him absolutely ridiculous wages I’d say the option to join us smacks of ambition.
Even if he just jolts Richie out of his apparent casualness then it will be worth it for me.
Jay Wood

376 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:27:08
Not being one who goes out of my way to watch Bournemouth (who does, unless you're a Cherries' fan?), I am only aware of King from their games v the Blues.

Considering all his PL appearances have been exclusively with Bournemouth, his numbers aren't bad at all, according to the linked article on the club site.

48 goals in 161 PL appearances. 17 in 51 internationals for Norway. He had a very hot streak in the 2016-17 season (when we had that great 6-3 game with them at Goodison), scoring 12 goals in 14 games.

This compilation of all his Bournemouth goals shows he is a very tidy finisher, given the chance. And even if a good number were penalties, they were damn fine penalties the keepers get nowhere near.

All 48 of Joshua King's PL Goals

Be interesting to learn the full details of the deal, but again the club site is very explicit: 'a nominal fee until the end of 2020/21.'

Can only wish him well.

Laurie Hartley
377 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:28:07
Mike # 366 -"pace and aggression" - that's the part I like because they are the qualities I think this team needs if it is going to finish in the top 6 and that is why I think he will be slotted in as quickly as possible.

Like I said I like Richy but he is struggling at the moment.

Mike Gaynes
378 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:32:29
Gavin #374, I don't disagree with any of that, especially that it's a low-risk signing, and I'm not being negative at all. He's a good professional player with an aggressive style and a stellar attitude who will fit right in, and he's desperately needed depth in a position where we are terrifyingly thin.

I just think anybody expecting a bunch of goals from the guy is going to be very disappointed.

Mike Gaynes
379 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:32:29
Gavin #374, I don't disagree with any of that, especially that it's a low-risk signing, and I'm not being negative at all. He's a good professional player with an aggressive style and a stellar attitude who will fit right in, and he's desperately needed depth in a position where we are terrifyingly thin.

I just think anybody expecting a bunch of goals from the guy is going to be very disappointed.

Mike Gaynes
380 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:32:48
Gavin Johnson
381 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:46:30
I totally agree Mike, I also think the goal stats are the reason for some peoples negativity. For a player who isn't usually played as an out-and-out CF his record is really respectable. I think some people (not your good self) were expecting us to buy a 1 goal in 2 games striker in January. It wasn't going to happen.

As Laurie states, I think it's the directness and aggression that we're missing and he might not be everyone's 1st choice, but as a utility attacking player he could do a job for us either in the short term or for a couple of seasons. The balls in his court on the duration of the contract, so good luck to him.

Derek Knox
382 Posted 02/02/2021 at 03:11:11
Maybe not the best Transfer Window, but then again January's never are, we have shifted a good deal of deadwood, which was the main objective as I understand it.

Okay no cakes, not even the icing on one, but at least we got a Cherry!

I was not keen when I heard demands of £120K/week, now whether that was journospeak or not, another greedy mercenary is the last thing I wanted for Everton. Hopefully the fee and his subsequent wages are nowhere near the
rumours. I also hope if he turns out to be a hit, that we have an option on extending his contract. what is reported to be just till the end of the season.

The King deal is now concluded, Long live the King! Hopefully no Juan, Jo, Nosmo, Fuc, or Dic prefixes play a part in his appearances. To be replaced by Clic, Ston, and Stri we'll be alright!

Derek Knox
383 Posted 02/02/2021 at 03:53:03
Jay @ 376, sorry I meant to add on to my previous post, thanks for the clip with all 48 goals from Josh (we can call him that now he is one of us) what I liked about the clip, it showed that he can score with both feet. I don't recall a headed goal, but maybe I missed that, if he did have one. With that showing he could be a perfect complement to DCL who is arguably better with his head.

When he is eligible to play I would imagine is against Manure (ironically the Club he started at) not sure how late the registration went in but I doubt whether it would be before 19.30 (48 hours before being allowed to play) Monday Evening. Hopefully we will learn more details as the day unfolds today.

Eric Myles
384 Posted 02/02/2021 at 03:59:00
Bill #362, from your list there's 3 or 4 I don't see as first choice for the bench, plus the 3rd goalie, and aren't Gbamin and Gomes injured?

So a thinner squad than you think?

Bill Gienapp
385 Posted 02/02/2021 at 04:26:20
Eric - indeed, with all the outgoings, I was simply listing all of the remaining first-team players (throwing Virginia in there because most managers say they ideally want three keepers in the squad).

Obviously the odds of everyone being healthy at once are VERY slim - Delph is always hurt, James is obviously fragile, Allan has had his share of injury woes this season and who knows if Gbamin will actually be able to contribute - so yeah, we could be potentially playing with fire, depth-wise. Is there anyone in the U-23 side who could conceivably make a leap this season?

Mike Gaynes
386 Posted 02/02/2021 at 04:45:04
DK #383, you didn't see any headers because he doesn't score them. He only has one in his entire Prem career. (Plus a couple more in FA Cup ties over the years.)
Danny Broderick
387 Posted 02/02/2021 at 05:24:44
This lad is the Bournemouth equivalent of Richarlison. He wasn’t really their striker, he was a winger. Callum Wilson was their centre forward pretty much the whole time they were in the Prem.

I’m happy we have brought him in. If we had brought nobody in, we would have left ourselves underprepared for the second half of the season.

If we can get Allan back fit, our squad is looking ok. I still would have liked a striker to give DCL a breather. I guess Richarlison or King can have a go, if needed.

King’s output can’t be any worse than what Tosun, Bernard, Sigurdsson, Walcott, Klaassen etc have produced for us. On that basis, this deal was a no brainer.

Darren Hind
388 Posted 02/02/2021 at 05:32:32
Carlo has the pulling power of a vertical trampoline
Laurie Hartley
389 Posted 02/02/2021 at 05:33:44
Cue - "Josh King scores stunning header on debut" ;)
Derek Knox
390 Posted 02/02/2021 at 05:46:47
Darren @ 388, a vertical trampoline? Never come across one of them before, do you train on one of these devices yourself before posting? :-)
Alan J Thompson
391 Posted 02/02/2021 at 05:52:00
Sorry, lads, rumour just coming through that Bill, in his frantic search for the fax paper, thought it was 5M and 120K per week for Kings Dock. Sofa now in the truck and on it's way to Bournemouth.
Farhad Zaman
392 Posted 02/02/2021 at 05:58:22
Stumbled across this on YouTube, a Bournemouth fans channel and they speak very highly of Joshua King. I’d recommend you guys watch it at some point
Farhad Zaman
393 Posted 02/02/2021 at 06:05:18
https://youtu.be/EsbA1fNzfCA The link for the Bournemouth fans channel with them having a chin wag about Josh King
Karl Masters
394 Posted 02/02/2021 at 06:51:38
So, Brands has shipped out a lot of dead wood, got loans and presumably game time for the younger fringe players, whilst bringing in,on a suck it and see basis, a proven Premier League goal scorer.

A successful window on the whole bearing in mind nobody is splashing the cash.

Just one question: how come Besic is still with us? Not a bad player in my opinion either. Maybe he will make the 25 for the second half of the season?

Brent Stephens
395 Posted 02/02/2021 at 07:17:01
Barry #343 that's a really good summary of the business we've done overall. Can't be dissatisfied with any of that. And the general view here seems quite positive about the King signing.
Mark Murphy
396 Posted 02/02/2021 at 07:24:24
Glad we got someone in but not convinced Josh King is a Carlo signing.
6 months worth of option is good though and considering the availability in January it’s better than nothing.
He’s a blue now so 100% support from me - I’d put him in instead of Richie first game he’s available and see if he can do a job. It would hopefully give Richy a kick up the arse as well.
What’s happening with Bernard btw??
Tony Shelby
397 Posted 02/02/2021 at 07:41:05
Big. Fucking. Wow.
Robert Tressell
398 Posted 02/02/2021 at 07:49:01
The squad is in better shape. He's not Ronaldo but he's an experienced Prem Striker. I was a bit underwhelmed by Doucoure when we signed him but he has more nous than I gave him credit for. King may be similar. Better fit than Tosun.

Not fussed whether Bernard stays or goes.

More interested in how Gordon and Branthwaite develop

Bit galling the RS managed to get Kabak on loan because he's an exceptional young talent. We'll have to wait until summer for a real step up.

Paul A Smith
399 Posted 02/02/2021 at 07:55:02
Lets support the lad. He has come here for a quick fix on a temporary basis. I can't imagine for a minute he was Ancelotti's first choice but he will use him and we need him.

He can't play in the cup but he stil has 19 league games he can help us in. Usually the end of January signing wouldn't get that many games so thats a bonus.

Jack Convery
400 Posted 02/02/2021 at 07:59:07
Stick a tenner on WHU getting Diego Costa. I'm just hoping he's not going to pop up at Spurs before the Cup match.
Peter Warren
401 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:03:19
I remember being underwhelmed when we sign Kevin Campbell once. Let’s hope he catches fire.
Joe McMahon
402 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:08:45
We have to unfortunately be realistic, we are paying the price for the Koeman/Walsh atrocious and damaging time at the club. Their spending was unrelated and farcical.
Ralph Basnett
403 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:09:56
But can he play tomorrow night?
Eddie Dunn
404 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:14:16
I am very pleased that we have got King in. I have liked him since he regularly gave us problems every time we played them.
It is sensible business, the short term contract so we shall see..the ball is in his court, now let's see what he can do.
Vijay Nair
405 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:26:12
With Lossl gone and Kenny off on loan, that opens up 2 slots from our initial 25 man squad that was registered. King will naturally take up one of those, but I wonder if a squad number will be given to Besic.

Seeing we're paying his salary we should at least have him in as a squad player. Aside from his role as a defensive midfielder, he's also played previously as a right fullback for Ferencvaros. With Kenny off, we are short at RB with only Coleman and Holgate for the remainder of the season.

Edit: Just noticed the squad has been updated with Besic given squad number 30. Common sense prevails.

Martin Berry
406 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:33:07
A very successful window in that we have shipped six playesr out albeit mainly loans, given younger players the opportunity to play elsewhere, and signed a very good striker.
Josh King is not to be underestimated, he is very fast, strong and can play right across the front.
The key here is that he will take the pressure off DCL when playing in the same team and cause more problems for the opposition. This player wont spend all his time on his arse like Richarlison.
The transfer fee is a snip considering what was being talked about just after the cherries had fallen from the tree. The fact its a six month deal with an option to buy firmly puts the ball in Kings court.
Providing he keeps fit it could be a fantastic bit of business for Everton, no Joshing !.
Danny Baily
407 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:40:22
Could be a good signing, very little risk as well.
Benn Chambers
408 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:43:59
I'm struggling to find the negatives in this deal, I really am.

All's I hear about is his age. In this instance, I don't see his age being an issue at all. He's a good age and he turned 29 only 2 weeks ago. It's not an issue because he was signed on a 6-month contract for peanuts. If he does well, he gets it extended; if he doesn't, he leaves. There is zero risk to the club at all and – considering Spurs had a £25M bid knocked back 18 months ago and Man Utd had a £15M knocked back last season – that tells you how he is regarded.

Josh King kills two birds with one stone. We needed a wide player and we needed a striker, he's both. We needed pace and he's arguably our fastest player now. He's lightening and carries the ball. I think the club have played a blinder here and the onus is on him to earn his contract extension and pay rise.

Nothing better than having a hungry player who needs to secure his future. Look at Aubameyang before and after his Arsenal contract extension. Every time he's played us, he's destroyed us. We couldn't handle him. Especially last season. I don't judge him on this season, Bournemouth knocked back two huge bids from massive clubs and stalled his career, his heart wasn't in it for them anymore. Rightly or wrongly but that's just the facts of the matter.

A motivated Josh King is an asset and he has the attributes we sorely lack. If it doesn't work, it's thanks and goodbye in 6 months for hardly any outlay. Win-win. 👌🏻 UP THE TOFFEES

Kim Vivian
409 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:46:26
Not trying to be funny but I can't see how King can possibly be worse than Richarlison on current form. I love the guy (Richarlison) because he plays for us but, Christ, he's been frustrating, not to say embarrassing, on occasions recently.

There's too much complacency within our squad so I think this signing can work for us in two ways:-

1) Richarlison recognises the threat to his pretty much guaranteed starting role and ups his game in response;

2) King gets an opportunity to get back in the spotlight for country and club, and we get to see the best of him.

Besides Sigurdsson, I find Richarlison the most frustrating member of our side. We are pretty woeful in attack – opposition managers have got our offensive strengths pretty well sussed and we get snuffed out easily – so I really hope that this signing might be a catalyst to relight our offensive fires.

Welcome to the Everton family, Josh.

Jason Wilkinson
410 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:48:14
Imagine Josh King (a Norwegian) getting the winner at Anfield. Their fans wouldn't know whether to be happy for their countryman or cry. If it were the only goal he ever scored for us, I would commission a statue just to piss them off.
Paul Traill
411 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:52:01
Let's reserve judgement on Josh King until the end of the month. Hopefully by then he'll have contributed towards a win against his former club at Old Trafford, helped us into the FA Cup Quarterfinals, helped us beat the other team he could have joined in Fulham, and upset the Norwegian Reds at Anfield. 🤞

When Steve Walsh and Ronald Koeman signed several No 10s but let Romalu Lukaku go and didn't replace him with Olivier Giroud, I never understood why we weren't in for players like Josh King then. Even under a short-term plan, he would have helped. At the same time, Fernando Llorente left Swansea City to sit on the bench at White Hart Lane, he would have done too. Instead, we gave Oumar Niasse his locker back and, in the next window, signed Cenk Tosun.

It finally feels that Marcel Brands has got rid of all the deadwood, or at least by the Summer, they'll have gone. BIg Summer ahead. Signing a top class keeper has to be the priority now surely. We'll really kick on next season I think. COYB.

Christy Ring
412 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:01:07
King still has a lot to offer, comments that he couldn't make the Bournemouth team, they were relegated, Wilson sold, and with only a year left on his contract, he was just going through the motions... so this is his chance for one last deal, and 29 is not old for a striker.

This is make-or-break time for Gbamin to start his career. Hopefully he'll be like a new signing, and give us the extra physicality in midfield, and give Allan and Doucouré a more offensive outlet.

As for Delph, I can't see anything changing. He is too injury prone, and he'll just see out his contract for the next 18 months.

Dave Williams
413 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:01:59
King is strong, fast, mobile and a decent all-round player. This is a good deal with no real commitment for us and every incentive for the player to really give his all.

Nine players moved out in the month – Brands has done well.

Barry Rathbone
414 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:03:26
He's gonna be great, I promise you!
Christopher Timmins
415 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:06:27
A good signing, someone who can make a difference and can play in a number of positions up top.

Martin Mason
416 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:10:05
An exceptional transfer window. Getting rid of the dead wood is positive and King may just be a surprise package. He doesn't scowl or dive.
Steve Shave
417 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:10:43
Yes we've shipped a lot out but let's not forget Tosun and Kenny will still have to be sold in the summer. Gosh what a shit signing Cenk turned out to be! I'll reserve judgment on the King signing, seems to make sense though.
Craig Walker
418 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:12:14
I think some Evertonians judge signings by the club we're buying from. I remember Doucoure having detractors because we got him from relegated Watford. I think we need a few more of this type of player - someone who knows the Premier League and has a point to prove. Looking at Frazer and Callum Wilson at Newcastle, they both did alright whilst taking 6 points in games against us.

Josh King is a lot better than the likes of Niasse, Tosun, Bernard and Walcott, in my view. He'll add competition for places up front. He can play in various positions and has pace and strength. Let's give the lad a chance before we rubbish his credentials.

Adam McCulloch
419 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:15:35
Paul 412. Completely agree, and as numerous posters have said we are still paying the price for that frankly bonkers phase of recruitment. Sure, not all signings work out but we lost our stand-out player and failed to replace him (and were it not for the Unsie punt on DCL we would be in even more bother). Only issue I can see with King is that I imagine he’s cup-tied. But I think it’s a shrewd piece of business and as well as adding something himself, it might be more telling the effect his signing has on the likes of Richarlison.

Further note on Bernard - he might still be on the move. The transfer window shuts a little later in Saudi Arabia. I think if he does stay he’s almost a dead-cert to leave at the end of the season.

Brent Stephens
420 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:20:50
Bobby “ I have just watched the under 23 game. It’s not only the 1st team that can’t put two passes together. Broadhead took his goals well but those lads are s million miles away from the first team”.

Unsie coaches them so some would say it is down to him.

Graham Mockford
421 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:21:49
What is refreshing if the reports are correct is that King could have got more money and a longer contract elsewhere. He’s literally backing himself to land a contract in six months time.
Sounds like a hungry player
Mike Corcoran
422 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:22:34
The long game from Besic finally pays off haha
Clive Rogers
423 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:28:21
I notice that fat Sam wasn’t interested in signing Tosun after telling us all he was the best striker in Europe when he brought him in.
Clive Rogers
424 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:33:29
Paul, 411, he’s cup-tied.
Dave Abrahams
425 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:41:43
Jay 376), thanks for that link, I honestly couldn’t place him, don’t remember him, even from that 6-3 game, his goalscoring record is not bad, his pace and aggression will shake some defences up, pity he is cup tied, hope he makes us want to sign him.

Looks like we’ve opened the door and let Besic back in, a mixture of the sublime (now and again) and the ridiculous( often) but at least he can run, move and tackle, I’d prefer him rather than the walking dead Gomes and Sigurdsson for the rest of the season.

Alan McGuffog
426 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:42:16
So, if the first team players can't string two passes together, and neither can the U 23's then they should be able to switch seamlessly, no ?
Martin Reppion
427 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:46:35
So apart from Bernard and Besic can we say that the madcap signings and near misses are gone?
Moise Kean has raised his transfer value by playing in France. Bolasie and Tosun will be out of contract and won't be back. I assume the same goes for JJK.
The young lads are on a learn and return programme.
I can't understand Besic. He has talent. I'm sure some clubs must have wanted him. Is he even in this country at the moment?
But what matters now is that we start afresh this morning and move on.
Charlie and DCL have genuine competition and this could give them the sharpener they need to get back to early season form.
The others have the vote of confidence from the manager and have to get on with it.
Geoff Lambert
428 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:49:49
I like King always got a goal in him scores from inside and outside the box and usually form a wide position, great penalty taker as well. much needed option for our failing attack.
Kenny Smith
429 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:52:15
Although not particularly exciting the King deal makes perfect sense. A 6 month loan till his contract expires means he’s got something to play for and now we can play a proper 2 up front if needed.
I don’t think the windows been a disaster by any means as we’ve off loaded most of our dead wood who will never to be seen again at Everton hopefully and some of the kids including Gordon out on loan and at good clubs.

Paul Traill
430 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:52:44
Clive #424 Doh!
Clive Rogers
431 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:55:02
Paul, he scored a couple of goals in the cup though!
Brian Murray
432 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:57:11
Geoff. He has a go outside the box. Has a goal in him. He hungry and believes in himself. Pinch me. Allen Holgate Godfrey and now him with the same mentality. Nearly half a team of winners. We’re getting there.
Laurie Hartley
433 Posted 02/02/2021 at 10:08:58
Jack # 400 - I hope your wrong - I don’t want that dangerous character signing for any of our closest rivals.
Jason Li
434 Posted 02/02/2021 at 10:32:33
One great thing I've noticed in the King YouTube videos is his ability to strike through the ball via the laces when needed. So many Prem strikers have to curl it in when it requires a strike through the ball, like Dom and Rashford do this a lot. Only Harry Kane hits it well like this consistently when it suits in that split second moment.

Age problem?: I think check back when he's 38 before he's as slow as Siggy in the false no.9 role and has the strength of Bernard. For the next 6 months, he'll be lightening in comparison to anyone else we've had when we've looked down the the bench and 1 nil down.

Hopefully James will be freed up as well with more time and space, as it will be hard to press James if King makes a run beyond the back line and the full back goes with him creating lots of space.

I'd love a club video to see who are the quickest players at the club now.

At Anfield, I'm hoping to see their new media Messiah Davies do a Slippy G and bow before the King as he flies past him on route to goal.

Dick Fearon
435 Posted 02/02/2021 at 10:38:47
Darren H @138, Arguably our best post war scorer was Fred Pickering.
Bought from Blackburn, Fred's late positional change from Fullback to Centre forward saw him become a deadly accurate with a super powerful shot.
By any measure Fred was as slow as a cart horse, not much good at heading and could not dribble but by golly he could fire shots in from any distance and unlike our modern pair of strikers it was near impossible Fred was was near impossible to be knocked off the ball.
Brian Harrison
436 Posted 02/02/2021 at 10:43:09
Well the positive is that King is better than Tosun, the downside is we still have Besic on our books, even the Championship sides wont take a risk on him. Also Bernard is still here pocketing his £100,000 plus a week, and the rest have only gone out on loan, not sure if we are paying any or most of the wages of those loaned out. But unless they impress the clubs they have been loaned too, they will all be back on the wage bill in the summer. So at this moment we have done nothing to reduce our wage bill long term, and until we do then Ancelotti will have his hands tied to bringing in the quality he will be looking for in the summer.

Pete Williams
437 Posted 02/02/2021 at 10:51:24
I hope Richarilson realises he now has to perform against Leeds to keep his place or it will be King in for him against United.

Good window for us with lots of players away on loan to improve, play out their contract or put themselves in the shop window for next summer. Wish I knew what was going on with Besic though and the references to FFP issues worry me a bit.

Paul Traill
438 Posted 02/02/2021 at 10:52:14
He ripped Coleman to shreds on the final day of last season. Maybe Carlo saw something in him then. I wouldn't be surprised to see Richarlison feature off the bench over the next few months.
Conor McCourt
439 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:16:19
For those that like King on his merits or how he has a skill set valuable to the squad then fair play. But those throughout this thread heralding the fee United were going to pay as some sort of validation is a mute point as don't forget they were like us desperate and took Ighalo instead. If I need to emphasise the point any further they also wanted Longstaff for 35 million but only reneged because Newcastle wanted 50 mil, so not necessarily a ringing endorsement of the player.
Steve Carse
440 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:18:35
Dick (435), I'd dispute that Fred was no good in the air. I can remember numerous games in which he was winning everything. In fact in most of them the crowd would get very critical of there never being anyone taking advantage of all his flick ons both in and outside the box.
Tony Everan
441 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:21:19
Taking the 6 month deal was not the safe option for Josh King. It proves to me that he is hungry for it, wants to play for the club longer term and is determined to show that he is the man. We were very short up front so this addition seems like a sensible addition. Any club who wants to get into Europe needs strength in depth and options from the bench.

Also he is a player that will be chopping at the bit to start games, that is good news where Richarlison and Dominic are concerned. They will have to be on their toes because King will be breathing down their necks for a starting place.

The terms seem in our favour for a change, and it looks like we haven’t caved in. All good signs.

So a big welcome to Joshua, give us 100%, wear your heart on your sleeve bang in a few goals and us fans will love you. I am sure then a longer contract will follow.

Steve Carse
442 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:21:59
Brian (432), King and 'winner' hardly belong in the same sentence in respect of the track record of Bournemouth if not his personal performances.
Kase Chow
443 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:22:27
King will be a good signing and a viable first team option unlike Tosun or Simms. This makes it a good signing

Hopefully we get to keep him if he does well and, given his skill set, there’s no reason why he shouldn’t do well

Pleased with this one

Steve Brown
444 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:30:17
Let's allow him to play before we pass judgement.

We had the same discussion in the summer when James and Allan were signed - too old, performance declining, only here for a last pay day, their clubs were glad to get shot of them, transfer fee and salary excessive (James was quoted as costing 20 million plus when he was in fact a free transfer). They are the best players at the club in my opinion.

Good luck Josh, get some goals lad.

Steve Carse
445 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:33:03
The most pedestrian midfield in the country and we're farming out our only midfield player with any pace and dribbling ability, however untried that player is. Did Gordon actually punch Ancelotti in that infamous confrontation?
A good window? Come on now. It's a window that puts paid to our top 4 ambitions.
Paul A Smith
446 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:33:59
I hope this lad just keeps the opposition more occupied and keeps the ball in their half them crucial seconds longer.

This team is miles off the top quality and we rely on grit and concentration. Without the low block spoiling tactics this season we would be in serious trouble.

Theres no was Calvert Lewin or James would be allowed their usual roles (the team are working for them) and we have lost home games to Newcastle, West Ham and Leeds. As well as others.

Without lack of panic and complicated tactics from Ancelotti we have managed to be top half with a team that we all know is miles off.

I can't believe the positions we have been in this season with only really Calvert Lewin to rely on for goals (again, something nobody really expected)

No we have 19 games to support what is going on and hopefully do better than landing in the hiderance that is the Europa league.

Derek Knox
447 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:46:03
Steve @ 445, I, like many others wanted Anthony Gordon to do well, and admittedly his chances weren't as many as hoped for, it could be argued that when those chances did come along, he didn't exactly make the statement (in his play) that he couldn't be dropped next game.

If it was a confidence thing, which could well have been a factor, I think playing regularly for Preston, could go some way to boosting that, and he will return a better player for it. Carlo rates him, otherwise he wouldn't have been on the subs bench as often as he was.

Andrew Ellams
448 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:03:34
I think he'll do a job for us. He's quick and strong and a better alternative than we have had up to now.

The highlight of the window has to be the media trying to make the RS spending half a million on a guy from Preston into some sort of mega story.

Lester Yip
449 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:03:42
I think it's a very good signing. Proven EPL experience, good physicality, can shot well around the edge of the box, can tap in goals by anticipating where the ball will go, have cool head to handle the stress as penalty taker. I think King will give us the push we need when Rich is not firing.
Robert Tressell
450 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:05:56
Steve @445, the club doesn't have immediate top 4 ambitions. If we did, we would have to spend about £200m or so on new players.

The aim this season was to arrest the slide and, being ambitious, crack the top 6 with a squad that is valued between £500m and £150m less than the 6 richer clubs.

We're still hanging on in there for top 6. We were never in with a shout of top 4 this season.

Leicester have shown a shrewd strategy, luck and good management can help bridge the gap too - but you time if you're not going to spend money

Thomas Richards
451 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:16:49
Derek #447

Potentially a very, very good player.
Hes not ready for the prem yet.
Hopefully the loan brings him on

Oliver Molloy
452 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:20:01
Will King go all out to impress and earn the last big pay day he will get, or will he just go through the motions and do his own deal in the summer..?
Paul Smith
453 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:29:43
Steve Carse with Allan back we are not pedestrian either is Doucouré. Sigurdsson & Gomes, yes, but if the former are available they won't play. Also, Ben is quick as fuck coming out to support the midfield. Gordon, apart from the League Cup game, has been unconvincing.

A good window again. King might give Richarlison a kick up the arse, he's been total shite for months unless you count defending which he's decent at.

Brian Harrison
454 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:30:52
Carlo has done his press conference and said they had watched King in the summer, he then said we signed him not for goals, but to have a fast player who hopefully can fit in with DCL and Richarlison, so I guess Iwobi,s place is under threat. I hope Carlo was just taking the pressure off King saying he wasnt signed for goals, probably should have said we signed him not only for his goals. Also said Pickford has a side strain and wont play against Leeds but he hopes he will be fit for the game at the weekend. Delph is back training but Allan and Gbamin are not back in training yet. King is not eligible for the Leeds game.
Bill Fairfield
455 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:41:05
Hope Josh King can show us skill and ability,rather than just effort and commitment.
Derek Taylor
456 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:41:09
Robert at 450; I don't see how you can accuse Everton's owners of 'not spending money'. Moshiri has been like a kid in a sweet shop since he landed here and successive managers have been all too anxious to squander his treasure trove.

With a management team costing c£20M a year, the owner does right to expect more bang for his bucks and top six/seven is the least Ancelotti should deliver this term. Get real.

Derek Knox
457 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:58:56
Brian @454, Iwobi's place is possibly under threat? Colin Glassar will be gutted. :-)

Iwobi is definitely a Marmite player, I wasn't overly upset when we first got him until I learned how much we allegedly paid for him, then after a couple of poor games he showed flashes of what we all thought he could do once he settled in. Alas, the last couple of outings have been totally abject, and he has reverted back to detritus mode.

Maybe as with a few others, the arrival of Josh King may just be the catalyst to spark a reaction.

Jonathan Tasker
458 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:06:43
I had been concerned for a while that the Everton Manyoo comfortable Retirement Home was going to get neglected. The signing of Josh King proves it’s alive and well.
Let us rejoice
Rob Halligan
459 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:08:03
Brian # 454. Pickford being out means we will only have one goalie on the bench. What are those who constantly moan about us having two goalies on the bench going to moan about now?
Robert Tressell
460 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:17:43
Derek, I haven't said Moshiri hasn't spent money - I'm saying that a top 4 quality squad will cost us about £200m from where we are now.

In the period since Moshiri took over, richer clubs must have invested similar sums (or more) in squads that were already much better than ours.

Paying Ancelotti £20m does not change that. We could get Guardiola in and pay him £30m. It still wouldn't change the fact our players aren't good enough.

Leicester buck the trend a bit because they're so savvy (and a bit lucky) in how they do things.

Jay Wood

461 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:18:42
Rob @ 459.

Got yer gloves ready, should the club give you a call in the next 24 hours..?

Rob Halligan
462 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:21:36
Jay, ready, willing but definitely not able as me knees and ankles are cream crackered!!
Michael Lynch
463 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:32:11
Tosun and Gordon out, King in. That's one less forward than we started out with yesterday. Kean, Walcott and Bolasie yet to be replaced as well. That makes us a net of four forwards down this season. Oh, I forgot, Ellis Simms went out on loan too, so make that five.

David Hallwood
464 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:33:16
Anyone underwhelmed by King, should get a copy of our last game of the season vs. Bournemouth where he tore us a new one. He can play right along the line, and he'll give us what we haven't got and that's a gamechanger from the bench, and BTW that could be DCL or Richie from the bench, because now CA's got options.

Maybe, just maybe we could even score a RS goal- a 45 yard pass (hoof?) into the channels for any of the rapid front 3 to run onto, because 29 or not he's got pace to burn. I'm quite happy with the signing

Justin Doone
465 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:33:43
3 forwards with a bit of pace, movement and aggression.

James to play a free role a little deeper with Allan and Doucoure to protect and support him winning the ball back.

A solid back 4, or 3 with Digne attacking when space allows. Godfrey to play as his pace at the back is priceless. Olsen to be a steady eddy at the back.

Brendan McLaughlin
466 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:44:49
Oliver #452
Surely if King simply goes through the motions and doesn't impress for Everton he won't be in much of a position to go out and do a deal with anyone in the summer?
Craig Walker
467 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:47:42
Derek @457. Iwobi is so frustrating. He often does the hard part and gets into good positions having run at the opposition but, too often, there's no end-product. He'll hit the nearest man or overhit a cross. How many wide players down the years have we had like that? To be fair to him, his performances have improved this season but from a pretty low base - he was shocking last season.
Brian Murray
468 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:49:43
Steve post 442. I was saying ( or hoping that he’s a winner as in hungry and same mentality as holgate Godfrey and Allen, I know that goes against the modem grain of efc but it might rub off a bit. On the pitch anyway.
Andrew Ellams
469 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:01:53
Michael Lynch @ 463, we also released Oumar Niasse and sold Fraser Hornby.

Not sure they would ever have done much in the 1st team but we are still shedding forward players at an alarming rate.

Oliver Molloy
470 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:17:44
Agreed Brendan,
As far as I can see, Everton have the option of another year if Ancelotti says yes.
It's hardly the deal of the of the century for him is it, so unless there is something written into this deal I don't think he's going to risk injury on such a short deal.
It's strange when you think about it, he's free to leave and find another club no matter what, and the cynic in me says this will all be about the money for King - it's the last chance for a decent pay day.

Rumour has it he just wasn't happy at Bournemouth after his buddy got his move to Newcastle and no-one came in for him.
Who knows, he's an Everton player now so I hope he does well for us, but it is a strange one is it not?

Thomas Richards
471 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:24:15
Michael 463

Keane not getting a game after a good start.

Tosun back to Turkey.

Bolasie Boro

Walcott getting ripped by Saints fans

Hardly pulling the trees up.

Niasse? No idea where he is.

The point is, we have got players off the books who would not start a game for us.
Slowly but surely Ancelotti is developing the squad into what will be HIS squad.

We can judge him when he has his own team.
If, IF it goes wrong then I will be first to give him stick

Tony Everan
472 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:40:59
Justin 465, Sounds good to me also highlights how important that there is a player of quality to step in when Allan is injured. Tom is he closest we have had m and when he has been dropped like on Saturday we are really weak. Gbamin is the hope.
Dave Abrahams
473 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:41:11
How many on here think we are better and and a bit stronger with King in the squad rather than if we didn’t sign anyone, the first plus, for me, is he can come on as a sub or start the game, he will be better than Tosun, not much of a plus I agree, and also Richarlison, the way he’s been playing, anyone who is happy with the Brazilian, at the moment, is very easily pleased.

Let’s get him on the field and see how he performs,, give him a chance, I wouldn’t be surprised if he looks a lot fitter than most of our players, nearly every team’s players do. I hope the players have a proper go tomorrow and make Josh fight for his place, that will be another plus without him kicking a ball for us.

Derek Taylor
474 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:42:55
Sorry, Robert, for misunderstanding your spending comment. Be that as it may, I think Moshiri/ Usminov probably saw their latest managerial appointment as an alternative to throwing money at players and hoping Ancelotti could tease more out of the squad he was inheriting.

Discussion of the Leicester achievements intrigues me as they certainly haven't spent a fraction of our figure and on paper look very ordinary. What's odd is that Everton even tried poaching their recruitment specialist and he was hopeless !

Mike Doyle
475 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:42:56
This is King’s big chance. Sounds like he turned down a better contract/longer offer for this opportunity.
His pace will get him into good positions in the box - and for Bournemouth he has always shown good composure in his finishing. Looking forward to see what he can bring. Good luck Josh!
Brendan McLaughlin
476 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:49:52
Oliver #470
I haven't seen any detailed reports as to the specifics of the deal but surely Everton have included something to the effect that we can automatically extend the deal if we're happy with King come the end of the season? It can't be that he's fantastic for us for half a season and then thanks Everton for the opportunity and signs permanently for someone else?
Yours very naively (?)
Jamie Crowley
477 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:50:12
Dude, I logged off yesterday thinking nothing will happen.

Did we really need this guy? Not my money, but why spend it?

Hope he does well and contributes.

Thomas Richards
478 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:52:37
Is he eligible to start tomorrow?

Best of luck to the lad.

Andrew Ellams
479 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:57:56
Thomas, no he's not. He signed too late.
Thomas Richards
480 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:59:54
Thanks Andrew.

Gives him a couple of days to settle in.

Drew O’Neall
481 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:01:43
Jamie - yes we needed this guy.

We need an option on the right, similar to Richarlison, who can cover ground, beat a man, and cross or shoot.

We need cover for Richarlison himself on the left and we need cover for Calvert-Lewin in 9.

King provides all these things, in one package, for one wage.

He is big, quick and productive. The players we had in Bernard, Gordon and Tosun are none of those things and two of them are off the wage bill and Bernard would have been too if we’d had it our way.

The Premier League has moved on. You need 9-10 athletes on the field and King fits the bill as Mr. Brands and the management team continue to unpick the mistakes of the past.

Window by window, player by player progress.

Andrew Ellams
482 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:05:40
When all are fit I suspect we'll go back to James, DCL and Richarlison as the first choice front three. This would at least mean we'd King and Iwobi off the bench which would be a step up from recently at least.

Then I think we could see the forward line be the priority in the summer with better quality competition coming in. I doubt that we'll see any sort of marquee signing though.

Brian Harrison
483 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:23:58
Brendan 476

It is being reported that Everton are paying Bournemouth a loan fee, there were reports yesterday mentioning a figure of £5 million, but I havent seen that confirmed anywhere. There is also no mention of what Everton are paying King, but the deal is for 6 months and there is an option for the deal to be made permanent, but I think he may be out of contract with Bournemouth at the end of this season. But if we wanted him to stay I am sure both parties would come to an amicable arrangement.

Being in the last 6 months of his contract he is allowed to reach a pre contract agreement with a club abroad during that time. Now if he starts like a house on fire and has interest from clubs abroad, that would place us in having to maybe agree a permanent deal ong before the loan spell is up, or lose him to a foreign club.

Kevin Molloy
484 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:25:54
the reports I have seen are that this is a permanent six month deal with the option to extend if things go well.
Brian Harrison
485 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:29:56

Totally agree its permanent till the end of the season and yes if things go well then we can extend. But that still doesnt stop him agreeing a pre contract deal to sign for a club abroad long before this deal ends.

Fran Mitchell
486 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:41:26
He could well agree a move with a foreign club Brian, but by all accounts he wants to stay in the Premier League.

6 month deal is ideal. If he's good, then we can agree an extension. If he doesn't do more than merely plug a hole, then he can negotiate a move to a new club and we're not lumbered with a player we don't want.

If we had a 6 month try before you buy for 70% of our signings in the Moshiri era, we wouldn't be in the shit we are today,

Jay Wood

487 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:42:22
First words I've read from the lad himself since he joined us:

I couldn't say no to Everton to play under Ancelotti

Kieran Kinsella
488 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:44:31
Fran try before you buy hasn't always worked out for us. Howard Kendall on Robert Warzycha.

"He was incredibly quick, direct and he scored goals. There was one match at Villa Park where he took the place by storm and such were his performances it would have been impossible not to have signed him permanently.

Unfortunately once he landed a full-time contract his form dipped. It was as if that motivation which had been there was now missing."

Rob Halligan
489 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:50:18
Jonathon # 458. You say you had been concerned for a while that the Everton Manyoo comfortable Retirement Home was going to get neglected. The signing of Josh King proves it’s alive and well.
Let us rejoice.

Exactly how does this signing of King fall into the category of an Everton - Man Utd retirement home scenario? Josh king never played a senior game for man Utd. He joined United in 2009 and left in 2013. In between he had various loans at other clubs, before settling at Bournemouth in 2015, but as I say never played a senior game for man Utd. FFS, I bet I've been to old Trafford more than he has!!

So from now on, every time we are linked to, or even buy a player from man Utd, we can expect it to be a "Comfortable Retirement Home" move. Jeez!!!

Oliver Molloy
490 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:52:56
Ah well Brendan, as I say it seems a strange one, and we are Everton lets not forget!
According to various reports Fulham were offering him 2 year deal with an option of another year.

He was on around £30 grand at Bournemouth, so Fulham might have offered him 10 grand more over 2 years.

So that makes me think we offered more money for 6 months with us with the possibility of another year or free to negotiate with another club.

Whatever, I just hope he loves the place and wants to show what he can do even for 6 months !!

Thomas Richards
491 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:04:13
Jay 487

Ancelottis pulling power strikes again.

Colin Glassar
492 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:04:48
Pickers out of tomorrers game with a rib injury. I wonder if that was caused by Carlo’s elbow?
Phil Lewis
493 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:07:20
I don't know a great deal about King other than what I've seen at Goodison and on YouTube. He looks pacy, his positional sense seems good and he has an eye for goal. We haven't been playing to DCL's heading ability lately, King's game could provide the perfect foil for Dom's 'flick ons'.
Richarlison is not playing well of late. Whether King is available or not, I would still drop Richarlison for the Leeds game. I'm basing my selections on players who will give their all. As such, my starting eleven in a 4-2-3-1 formation would be,
Coleman, Keane, Mina, Godfrey,
Holgate, Doucoure,
Davies, Rodriguez, Digne.
At the very least, this team will battle for 3 points.
Kieran Kinsella
494 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:14:43

Haha I wondered but that said, Carlo seems pretty honest so it's probably a genuine knock (from a source other than Carlo)

Andrew Ellams
495 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:28:09
Didn't Pickford collide with the post at one point on Saturday?
Mike Gaynes
496 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:37:50
Jay #487 and Thomas #491, Darren Hind will consider that fake news.

Rob #489, well said.

Drew #481, you're right about King's overall value, but to describe a player as "productive" who averages 7 goals per Prem season from open play is a considerable stretch. Not counting penalties, King scores a goal every 336 minutes and slips in an assist every 800 minutes (per Transfermarkt).

Mike #422, I fail to find any humor at all in the restoration of Besic to the active roster. The only "long game" I would have like to see us play with him would have been a slow boat to China.

John McFarlane Snr
497 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:38:27
Hi Rob [489] I try not to get involved in topics where players are judged before they've kicked a ball for Everton, I have seen so many descend into slanging matches, personal comments hurled backwards and forwards, in a manner that if they were uttered in a pub, there would be a physical settlement. However I feel that you and I are of the same mind, I could resort to sarcastic and cynical comments, but I tend to give no thought to what any player has done with his former club, it's what he does as an Everton player that I'm interested in. Anyone who is old enough to remember Roy Vernon's debut against Wolves, will have wondered why he was brought to Goodison, it didn't take long for him to exactly why.
George McKane
498 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:08:21
Or indeed Kendall's first game where he missed sitter - -Southamton -- I think - - maybe wrong - - but remember the sitter.
I do not look for any other results, support no other team, have a second team - - Everton Everton Everton Everton AND EVERTONIANS.
We can moan at each other and between each other but we are Blue's and by that we are Brothers.
David Peate
499 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:13:39
John (497)
Alternatively like Fred Pickering. A hat-trick on his debut. It was not long before the crowd were baying "Aha, Fred's dead" as I recall. I agree to let's wait and see with King.
Dale Self
500 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:20:10
I like the chance he's getting here. At 29 he knows with Carlo this is the time, he may just take his chances well. He's a Blue now so I'm fully with him even though I uttered snap the line on the whale of a forum we had.
Roger Helm
501 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:23:08
Coming from Bournemouth isn’t a problem. We have signed many very good players from teams and leagues below us. Hopefully playing with better players he will be more productive.

He seems the right character, determined and physically strong and fast. 53 goals in 148 appearances for Bournemouth isn’t a bad return. A good day’s work to sign him, I think.

Paul Swan
502 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:23:54
Andrew (495) can’t have done, the RS would have been baying for blood and trying to get him banned
Phil Lewis
503 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:07:48
Let's not forget that a certain Andy Gray was considered a washed up crock when we signed him. By comparison, King is a spring chicken. If he achieves half as much as Gray did with us, he'll do!
Brent Stephens
504 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:20:09
Somebody might have posted already (apologies if so) but apparently King has scored more goals at Goodison than Tosun has.
Paul Jones
505 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:31:37
When I've seen King play seemed similar type to Kevin Campbell no outstanding attributes but a decent all round forward who is underestimated. So given his chance hope will be equally as good.
Ray Robinson
506 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:32:54
George #498. Indeed it was. I was a teenager sitting behind the goal in Upper Gwladys Street as he skied the ball from almost under the bar. We lost 1-0 and some fans almost immediately wrote him off! Looking back, that taught me to not make instant judgements.
Raymond Fox
507 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:35:36
Happy with King, from what I've seen he is a decent player.
I was puzzled why we didn't have a look at his former team mate Wilson before Newcastle signed him.
Michael Burke
508 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:41:27
Can someone please explain some posters' obsession with moving a central defender to play in the holding midfielder role? I simply don't get it. I have never agreed with the idea of getting your best players on the pitch if it means some are out of position. How often does it work? Surely they'd play there regularly if they were suited to the position.
Chris Williams
509 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:41:28
George And Ray,

I remember both matches, especially the Roy Vernon debut. Another inauspicious debut was Dennis Stevens, who missed an absolute sitter and cost us a victory. He was already facing an uphill task, replacing Bobby Collins, but he won us over in the end.

Brent Stephens
510 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:46:32
Chris, and yet another inauspicious debut was Besic?? And look what he achieved thereafter.
Chris Williams
511 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:55:02
I feel a bit sorry for Besic, Brent. He was a cult figure for a short period of time, and very popular. Even his homespun tattoos were celebrated.

His career seems to be summed up by two tackles. On Toure for us and on Bale in an international match.

Brent Stephens
512 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:05:52
Mind you, Chris, he did have a very good pre-season friendly game against Tranmere!
Mike Gaynes
513 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:11:23
Off-topic, I think Moutinho just wrapped up GOTY. That strike just killed the Arse, and it was nothing short of spectacular.
Chris Williams
514 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:20:47
Aah, Tranmere pre season, a regular occurrence once upon a time.

I recall when Sheedy was coming towards the end of his career with us and I took my son, Andy to that match, when he was about 10. Might have been a Friday.

The pitch was it’s usual puddingy consistency, and next to us were a couple of keen Blues, one of whom visibly tensed when Kevin misplaced a pass. He did the same again a few minutes later, whereupon the vilest torrent of foul mouthed abuse was unleashed, at great length and with eloquent creativity.

He took a breath, looked at me, being wrapt in admiration, and Andy. He was apologetic to me at swearing in front of a young lad. I pooh poohed it off. He said again he was sorry, but qualified it by adding but I fucking hate the twat!

It took the shine off his apology if I’m honest.

I don’t recall Besic’s performance though.

Darren Hind
515 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:40:06

No I don't think its fake news. I think its just a couple of desperado`s twisting the story.

He was asked about Carlo and said nice stuff (I`m yet to hear a player call the manager he has just signed for a wanker) He then goes on to say BUT (see that word ?) BUT Everton is a big big club, that I hoped would be in.
He simply did what all of the signing we have made in the last year have done, opted for the biggest club to come in for him.

The desperation does amuse me "Carlos pulling power"hahaha. The guy has been relegated and his career was going nowhere,

I welcome the lad to the club. I must admit he has gone under my radar except for what I have seen on match of the day. I dont know enough about him to be for or against his signing, but I'm hopeful that he can become a very positive addition to the squad. A goal at Anfield would be a nice way t introduce himself

Thomas Richards
516 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:43:55

"No I don't think its fake news. I think its just a couple of desperados twisting the story."

It was a link from a newspaper article that Jay posted.
Who is the sycophant?

Or the reporter?

Derek Knox
517 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:56:45
Darren, I see the vertical trampoline theory has reared it's head again, you say Josh King was relegated, can't deny that, but he was part of a 'team that got relegated'. It doesn't mean to say he was totally responsible for that.

Going back when Aston Villa got relegated they had Grealish, and Norwich had Maddison when in the Championship. I wouldn't say either were poor players and have gone on to prove they are Premiership Class.

Danny O’Neill
518 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:05:15
I was on the forum last night having a good chat with those on there.

I don't think King is better than what we have and I wasn't particularly excited about the signing. But as someone pointed out to me, the club may just have shown it is finally being sensible. Possible decent backup up front that we all know we need, but on a 6 month contract. So we have much needed support for Dominic and the player is incentifised to prove his worth for a longer term contract.

This will be perceived as good business if the player does well for the remainder of the season. As opposed to previous January headlines like Tosun and Niasse coming in for big bucks on big wages and 3 to 5 year contracts, flopping massively but then being stuck with them.

It was a tame transfer window all around so I don't think this has anything to do with pulling power. We will maybe (maybe) see that in the summer when most main business is done.

We also done well to ship out quite a few on loan. I hope that experience does some of those young players with potential good for their future careers.

PS: back up for DCL or do we see King playing right of a King, James, Richarluson 3 behind DCL and in front of Doucoure / Allan?

Brent Stephens
519 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:06:11
Derek, good examples. Grealish and Maddison are two relegated players I wouldn't mind having in the squad. There must be other examples as well - somebody from Norwich maybe?!
Darren Hind
520 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:07:42

Big of you not to deny he was relegated.

I don't know what words you see when you read my post, but nowhere to I suggest he was even partially to blame for Bournemouth's relegation.
Nor do I even hint that his signing was a bad one. Godfrey and Doucoure had been relegated too.

What I do say is he had been relegated and his career was going nowhere at bournemouth. Are you saying that isn't true ?????

This rabid defence of accusations that havent even been raised is getting out of hand.
I state quite clearly that I don't know enough about the players to comment either way...so what is your beef ?

Its getting so you cant breath on this site, within minutes of every post the Brady bunch are on it...doesnt matter how many times you blank them

Brent Stephens
521 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:08:27
...starts with the letter G? God...something?
Jay Wood

522 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:08:30
Because Everton's record of shopping in the Championship and buying players from relegated clubs is soooo bad, innit?

The Underrated Market

Carl Manning
523 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:09:23
Jerome shields, stating Calvert Lewin has gone backwards on carlos watch is the single most stupid and ridiculous post I have ever read.
Maybe you didn’t see him play under Koeman? Or silva? Ancelotti has turned him into an England regular who has 15 goals already this season.

Jesus. Embarrassing knowledge and a statement completely destroyed simply by having seen the last 3/4 years of dom playing in the blue shirt.

Derek Knox
524 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:10:21
Brent, Stockwell and Buendia immediately spring to mind without checking their personnel, and Pukki wasn't too shoddy.
Darren Hind
525 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:17:10

Theres now four of them arguing against a point that was never made.

Comedy gold

Brent Stephens
526 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:17:27
"The desperation does amuse me "Carlos pulling power"hahaha. The guy [King] has been relegated and his career was going nowhere,"

All one paragraph. The paragraph is meant to argue against the idea of Carlo's pulling power. As a way of supporting that argument, the finger is pointed at King who "has been relegated" and "whose career was going nowhere". All in one paragraph so clearly all related.

If the reference to King was not to support an argument about Carlo's pulling power by referring to a relegated player, what was the point of it???

Thomas Richards
527 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:17:40
Will Mabon
528 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:21:50
I dunno, Brent.

When someone is on a downer at a club, and has the chance to join either Fulham or Everton, I don't think the manager at Everton is gonna matter so much.

Brent Stephens
529 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:23:40
But then he says " I must admit he has gone under my radar except for what I have seen on match of the day. I don't know enough about him to be for or against his signing"

So he aint seen much of him but uses him as part of an argument against Carlo's pulling power!!!

Oh the irony.

Dale Self
530 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:25:02
The polemics on this site are worth the admission price alone. Oh and tonight, it's the red card special, enjoy. [disclaimer: I hate it when servers say "enjoy"]
Danny O’Neill
531 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:25:42
I don't know enough about Josh King as I haven't really taken much notice of his career.

Hope he does well for us as I'm sure we all do. Just think the club has been more sensible about this one thN previous January signings.

Brent Stephens
532 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:25:56
But it could be a factor, Will.
Will Mabon
533 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:32:18
He's nothing special at all. But we are unacceptably short of forwards, and with Tosun "Gone", the overall cost is probably negligible. Definitely no sort of real answer but we're probably marginally less in the shit attack-wise than we were, a sort of very small positive. Onwards and upwards, yippee.
Brent Stephens
534 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:32:24
Dale I saw the two Arsenal red cards but not the Southampton one - what happened there?
Jim Jennings
535 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:33:51
The signing of King means Ancelotti has essentially brought in cover for both DCL and Richarlison with one signing, until the end of this season. He clearly does not trust Gordon (yet) or the leaden footed Turk (at all) to start in the PL.

Gordon will hopefully come back from his loan spell a better player but anyone who thinks he’s premier league ready yet, sees something in him I don’t. Cenk has been an unmitigated disaster and is a stark reminder to Moshiri not to sanction crazy transfer fees to bring in players in January.

King can provide competition for both and hopefully give Richarlison the kick up the arse be needs. It doesn’t really matter if he’s only scored one goal every 5,000 minutes or one assist every 10,000 games. (I have never got that one. How many “assists before the assist” does James have?)

The point is, he’s a better option than what we have let go, for the next five months. If it doesn’t work out, then no big deal, we won’t have him on our books after June. If he does work out, we’ve an option of signing him.

Either way, we are surely in a better shape regarding wages than we were a month ago, some of the deadwood is all but gone and we have an apparently hungry, motivated player looking to earn a move to the PL. I see no downside to this.

Jason Leung
536 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:34:58
This doesnt excite me very much, I personally don't think its an upgrade on Tosun, however, thankfully the club is learning and its only a 6 month contract.

Hope the lad does well with us!

Will Mabon
537 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:34:59
Brent, of course it could - but no-one has said as much above platitudes, and in the absence of inside info, it's a moot assumption. If I was in King's position, I know for certain where my ass would be going, short of the manager having banged my woman in the past.
Darren Hind
538 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:35:03

Get paid.

I can give you 10 20 30 40 good players who have been relegated. But when they are still at the club six months later their carreers are dfinitely going nowhere..

While we are at it. I could give you six examples of signings Carlo has made who didnt have a bigger or better option than Joining Everton.

Championship player joins Everton and its "due to the managers pulling power"

Its laugh out loud funny and gives a graphic illustration as to how some people have become so besotted with the manager they have forgotten who EVERTON are

Brent Stephens
539 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:40:36
In his own words " I must admit he [King] has gone under my radar except for what I have seen on match of the day. I don't know enough about him to be for or against his signing".

And yet he's trying to use him to make a point. Don't know enough about him but...!!!!

And now "when they are still at the club six months later their carreers are dfinitely going nowhere.." - that hole gets even deeper.

Gavin Johnson
541 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:41:33
King was only at the club 6 months after relegation because Bournemouth turned down a £13m offer in the summer from West Ham. Bournemouth hoped he'd get over the United move that didn't happen last January and kick on and get them back to the Prem. Seems King hadn't got over it, and didn't want to play for them again.

King was also wanted by 2 other premier league clubs yesterday. Hardly a career going nowhere!

Jay Wood

542 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:42:16
'Championship player joins Everton and its "due to the managers pulling power".

Who in the thread (apart from the source I'm quoting) has stated that?

Dale Self
543 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:43:19
Brent, two minutes in (not even that) Jankewicz or something like that put the studs in McTominay's thigh. There are some teenagers on the Saints bench that may get some time tonight.
Darren Hind
544 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:45:19
post 491

Brent Stephens
545 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:45:26
Thanks, Dale. I saw the stud marks on the inside of the thigh but no replay.
Jim Jennings
546 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:53:22
Hindsight obviously doesn’t extend to seeing irony if anyone believe post #491 was said in anything other than jest.

“ I can give you 10 20 30 40 good players who have been relegated. But when they are still at the club six months later their carreers are dfinitely going nowhere.”

Jack Grealish wants a word.

Dale Self
547 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:53:50
good summary Gavin
Will Mabon
548 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:56:42
Gavin, who else was it, apart from Fulham?
Jay Wood

549 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:56:42
Thomas didn't even use hook, line or sinker.

You jumped straight into his net.

Gavin Johnson
550 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:01:17
Will Mabon
551 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:01:56
Darren Hind
552 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:02:37

He was joking...thats why he has come back furiously arguing his case.

I suppose Jay was joking too when he distorted the header on his linkm because nowhere does the player say those words..

You're such cards you lot teasing me like this

I'm off to work. Night all

Jim Jennings
553 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:08:21
You’re right. That was the most furious I’ve seen anyone defending his comment since Kevin “I would love it” Keegan
Jay Wood

554 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:18:31
'I suppose Jay was joking too when he distorted the header on his link because nowhere does the player say those words.'

The full headline of the linked article is this:

King reveals he ‘could not say no’ to Everton move – Excited to join ‘big, big club’ and to play under Ancelotti

I shortened it to:

'I couldn't say no to Everton to play under Ancelotti'

And you call that a distortion?

I linked to the article. Nothing more.

As for your claim that the player 'doesn't say the words', this is his very first sentence in Josh's actual quotes within the article:

'It’s about the size of the club, the coach and the signals I got.'

Pretty much matches THEIR headline (and my shortened one) in my eyes.

Josh is further quoted as saying:

'Ancelotti is one of the world’s biggest names in football and he’s a great manager. I think I can grow under him. That was part of the factor, but Everton is a big, big club that I had hoped to be in before I ended up there.'

Phtt! Blatant distortion that, eh?

Brent Stephens
555 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:21:21
Jay, you must be furious! How will you sleep tonight?
Bill Gall
556 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:21:29
Other teams are trying to help Everton get into the top 6,, pity they don't help themselves.
Brian Murray
557 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:23:51
Pickford got his angles all wrong before the goal other day... maybe that's why he also collided with the post. The fella's all over the place and can't control his positions, never mind his area.

We need Olsen to carry on being safe and steady. Then look at it seriously in the summer before it's too late and some emotional dude offers him a 5-year contract!

Steavey Buckley
558 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:27:41
BBC football preview Leeds v Everton :"Fabian Delph is back in the squad after injury and he could be joined by new signing Joshua King, if he provides a negative coronavirus test."
Jay Wood

559 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:28:44
Brent, thanks for your concern. I'll manage somehow.

Probably soothed by my Randy Rainbow Greatest Hits Compilation.

Jeff Armstrong
560 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:31:01
Anyone know if King is available tomorrow? I think he’s ineligible for the cup, got his only goals this season in the cup I believe.
Will Mabon
561 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:31:48
1. King reveals he ‘could not say no’ to Everton move – Excited to join ‘big, big club’ and to play under Ancelotti

I shortened it to:

2. 'I couldn't say no to Everton to play under Ancelotti'

Perhaps your attempt at brevity and practicality implied that Ancelotti was the prime driver.

The headline and the quoted first sentence from King both cite the big status of the club first. He further summarizes Ancelotti as "...part of the factor" BUT Everton is a big, big club.

If I read this cold as an outsider, I'd chance my arm that the primary driver of the move was the big club status of Everton.

Danny O’Neill
562 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:32:52
Have a good shift Darren.

Debut goal tomorrow.

Will Mabon
563 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:33:56
Danny - now that's optimism.
Jamie Crowley
564 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:41:52
I'm underwhelmed by this signing, but I take heart at Drew's response @ 481.

It very well could be that this fella is the answer for Everton - can play multiple positions and plug holes all within one pay packet.

Here's the thing for me. King isn't a household name. But Brass sees him obviously as an upgrade to previous players who have now left.

So let's get behind this guy and hope he comes in, is motivated, and does one hell of a good job for us.

Despite the New Castle poo-fest, we're not far off. Win 2-3 in a row and we'll be looking at a really promising season. If King can help us get there, great.

I'm not even close to writing off the season. We're 6 points off 4th with two games in-hand. Keep the faith until the Fat Lady sings. Josh King could be a spark plug and a revelation. We just don't know yet.

Cling to hope. Why not? What else you gonna do, and why else would you ever invest your time and emotions in a game where grown men kick a ball around a field of grass? We can finish well, and we can do something Everton haven't done in a long, long time. Let the season play out and let's see where we end up.

Dave Abrahams
565 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:48:28
Danny (563), does that mean that Josh King is eligible to play tomorrow?
Paul A Smith
566 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:50:28
So staying at Real Madrid or Napoli is not a better option than signing for Everton?

Darren honestly thinks we would have got James and Allan interested in Everton without Ancelotti? Interesting.

Incidently, I think King would have signed for us if Moyes was our manager but the words I read from him still made sense regarding Ancelotti.

Jamie Crowley
567 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:53:39
If the Brady Bunch are the folks being critical of Darren's comments, who are those that defend his comments?

The Partridge Family?

I'll jump into the Partridge Family ranks, just for shits and giggles.

We signed a guy from the Championship, not Real Madrid.
We signed a guy who clearly MAY not be the answer, otherwise we'd have locked his ass down for 3 years minimum.
We signed a guy who won't sell a hell of a lot of jerseys.
We signed a guy who clearly stated he wanted to join a Big Club.

But, does any of that really matter?

Dude is going to wear the jersey. Dude can possibly help us. Let's hope Dude kills it and plays lights out.

-Partridge Family Representative.

**not a paid endorsement. Actual results may vary, consult your physician.

Tom Bowers
568 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:57:35
Without a big improvement from the middle of the park, King won't achieve much. Like Calvert-Lewin, he will need support when he plays and that has been a real problem in many losses this season.
Danny O’Neill
569 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:58:25
I'll be honest Dave, I was just assuming so as we got the signing through so he's registered as an Everton player now?

I don't confess to understand the contractual nuances so be good to understand if he actually is now you call it out.

Brent Stephens
570 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:01:30
Jamie, there weren't many in the Partridge Family!

I like your style.

Kieran Kinsella
571 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:05:30

"he could be joined by new signing Joshua King, if he provides a negative coronavirus test."

Great, so now we're hoping for more negativity.

Sean O’Hanlon
572 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:06:05
So "We win the eleventh hour battle for King"...

Now who was participating in this "battle"? Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs? No. It was Fulham. If this guy was any good, don't you think one of the big clubs would be sniffing round?

What a fiasco these transfer windows have become. A complete circus. Feeding off scraps.

This season is a dead rubber, so why not keep our young players and try them out? Are there any statistics that show that loaning out players will make them any better? Isn't it possible they'll be brought down to the level of the division they´re playing in?

Kieran Dowell comes to mind. He's been at 5 loan clubs. He's not going to make it. Does anyone have the stats on how many loaned out players that have returned to the club, are in the squad now?

Joe McMahon
573 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:12:05
Sean @573, I'm not saying the teams you mentioned would ever be interested in King, of course not. But all those mentioned teams have top-top strikers aplenty and score for fun, from all areas of the pitch. Those are the teams that regularly play in the CL, and as we know because of that can attract a better quality players.

Danny O’Neill
574 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:17:57
Southampton dropping off the mark (to say the least). Arsenal losing. Games in hand. All to play for and still in a healthy position if we bounce back. I wouldn't call that a dead rubber, although we have to take control of our own destiny. We have an opportunity here.

I said it earlier, all fit, I quite like the feel of Doucoure and Allan with Richarlison, James & King in front of them with DCL up top.

Bill Gall
575 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:20:01
I remember putting on the live forum the negativity that Everton would get if they signed a player from a relegated team, same people would have complained if we signed no one. We never signed a relegated player – we signed a player who was in a relegated team. 3 teams were relegated so saying 18 players per team that is 54 players.

Are we saying there were no players in that 54 who couldn't play in the Premier League again, or is it Everton who chose the wrong one?

Thomas Richards
576 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:20:53
Blah, blah blah.

Im right and every single poster who disagrees with me is one of the following. . . .

Happy clapper

Etc, etc

Now, I understand you are reluctant to answer a straight question.


Ahh its not worth it.
He never, ever answers a legitimate point.

Keep on keeping on Darren.
This site would miss you if you ever followed up on your numerous threats to leave.

Dale Self
577 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:22:19
I've been a bit brash when it was going well so I'll take my share while it's shite right now. That being said we are all getting a ride on the rollercoaster. This team goes in streaks and none of us really have an answer as to why. It could go back the other way starting tomorrow so get your digs in now.
Craig Walker
578 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:24:23
Tim Cahill was bought from Millwall. He did alright for us. Lescott was bought from Wolves. He did alright. Baines was bought from Wigan. He did alright. Jagielka was bought from Sheffield United. He did alright. Coleman was bought from... Stones, Arteta, Gueye, Lukaku etc.

I don’t remember any of those players choosing us over the RS, Man City or Chelsea etc.

There are good players at unfashionable clubs. Rather than look at who they play for we should be looking at what they can offer and whether they’ll give their all in an Everton shirt. If they do, then that’ll do me at least until we can afford the likes of Neymar and Mbappe.

Tony Abrahams
579 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:25:26
It’s an up and down season Danny, and it’s no use being able to put a ball on a sixpence if you’ve got nobody running for you, so I’m hoping King’s pace is going to be exploited by Rodriguez, and after seeing you pick our front six earlier today, I can’t wait to see them all play together mate.
Brent Stephens
580 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:26:15
Thomas "This site would miss you if you ever followed up on your numerous threats to leave".

Dame Nelly Melba - how many times did she announce her retirement.

We have our own Dame Nelly.

Will Mabon
581 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:28:05
"Without a big improvement from the middle of the park King won't achieve much. Like DCL he will need support when he plays and that has been a real problem in many losses this season. "

It's a good point, Tom - and one not yet discussed much. Are we to play with two forwards now, and if so, how. Will King be covering/replacing DCL at times, so we stay with one forward? There goes the aerial threat (a large part of what we have right now).

I've only ever seen King play as a mostly standard centre forward really. Be interesting to see how it will all play out. Will he be simply a like-for-like Tosun sub.

Sean O’Hanlon
582 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:28:28
Bill #574 - Doesn't that put us to shame!? Newcastle beaten at home by C Palace.
Carlo, any explanation for Saturday's capitulation?
Will Mabon
583 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:31:53
Sean - cutting, logical questions like that are now often met with "It's a weird season". Not necessarily just on ToffeeWeb.
Thomas Richards
584 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:36:41
Brent, #581

Dame Edna Everage was my first thought after reading your post mate.

Sean O’Hanlon
585 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:39:04
Danny #575
Just seen the Man U Southampton result. 9-0!
Reminds me of the game when we beat Southampton 8-3, in the early 1960's, and my idol at that time was Roy Vernon - The Welsh Wizard, got a hat-trick.
It was the first time I jumped onto the pitch after the match. The stewards were fine, as there were thousands of others as well as me. Also, I was very little.
Great times. Great memories.
I hope those great times come back before I die.
Fran Mitchell
586 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:39:04
Weren't people recently using Southampton,. specifically their manager, as something being done better than Ancelotti.

Is that still valid or was only during their 5 game run of form?

Newcastle losing at palace also.means nothing.

Sean, I don't think anyone has excused our capitulation against Newcastle, especially Ancelotti. From what I've seen he called the players lazy and complacent and some think they are better than they are. What else do you want him to say?

Dale Self
587 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:39:11
Damn it Jamie! That Partridge Family theme melody is becoming a problem.
Brent Stephens
588 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:42:14
Both Australian, Thomas, both female.

I'm still struck on Dame Nellie - "is she still here"?

Sean O’Hanlon
589 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:49:38
Fran, #586
"he calls them lazy and complacent"
He's the fucking manager!
Is he going to accept that?
Absolute disgrace.
No time for him,

Danny O’Neill
590 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:52:45
I don't like those comparisons Sean as you could argue we beat Palace. Each game is different. We all do believe it will happen again deep down. That's why we are here discussing, debating, arguing, agreeing and disagreeing with each other. But we all want the same thing!

I used to say that about Peter Beardsley Tony when the poor bloke played in a very average Everton team. It wasn't that he played a poor pass. He was playing into space; good players find space right. It was that no-one had the awarenesses, anticipation or pace to read it and get on the end of it.

Tony Heron
591 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:10:20
Southampton had 9 players missing tonight but had to play. How is that different from Man City being allowed to postpone the game at Goodison when they had players unavailable?
Bill Gall
592 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:13:11
Sean # 582 Don't now what you are talking about my comments were #575.
Fran Mitchell
593 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:21:17
Sean? Is he going to accept that? What?

You really think publicly calling out his players for.being lazy and complacent in their defeat is 'accepting' it?

Will Mabon
594 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:27:13
Tony - Shhhhh!

No doubt procedures have been revised and "Developed" since then...

(Nothing to do with big clubs).

Terry White
595 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:28:05
Sean (#585), I think you have got your opposition teams incorrect. We beat Cardiff 8-3 at the end of the 1961-2 season and Royston scored 3 that day. I don't think Southampton were in the First Division at that time.

Don't like to spoil a good story with insignificant details but.

Kevin Molloy
596 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:37:47
the terms of this deal are still emerging. the option for extension needs King's consent. So he can be bought off at any point in th next few months by another club and we'll have paid a £5m loan fee for a player who may have zero motivation (and looking at his performances this season he knows how to play that role). Let's hope he plays a straight bat, cos we've taken an expensive risk here.
Will Mabon
597 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:44:44
Kevin, he of course couldn't transfer til the next window, but surely he couldn't have an "Out" sorted in advance and have us still pay full whack to season's end in that circumstance?

You'd imagine (Hope) that in such a case, his deal with us ends right then. I'll have to look into that...

Kevin Molloy
598 Posted 03/02/2021 at 00:04:39
Will yes he can't go til season end, but if spurs tie him up in March, chances are we wont' see the best of him
John Boon
599 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:07:44
King is big fast and strong. Nobody we let go fits that description. With a (good ?) team and the right attitude he could be just what we need. We have made so many bad signings that nothing will surprise most fans. He wants to play. Give the lad a chance. A change of scenery is good for anyone and Everton is always the right place to be a "super" football hero.
Drew O’Neall
600 Posted 03/02/2021 at 01:28:45
Hi Mike @ 496

I would consider more to productivity than just goals or assists but maybe I should have qualified the statement better.

King is involved more. He can receive the ball in deep areas and run with it. He can beat a man. He has vision for movement around him and an eye for a quick pass in the box. He is ingenuitive. And he can finish from the floor, with either foot or in the air. He’s a much more complete forward than what we had.

That’s what I mean by more productive. He can be involved in more phases of play and contribute in more areas of the pitch.

With all that said, I am remembering the Josh King who played in the Premier League and haven’t seen much of this year’s performances so am hoping he is still in prime condition.

Phil Lewis
601 Posted 03/02/2021 at 01:28:50
Sean #585
I'm 68 next month, I've got memories of Goodison from about 1960. I don't recall an 8-3 victory over Southampton with a Vernon hat trick in the 60's. However I vividly remember remember an 8-0 win over them in the early 70's. It snowed hard that day, Alan Ball orchestrated the victory (if I remember correctly he got on the scoresheet) and big Joe Royle scored four goals. Jimmy Gabriel played for them that day.
I don't wish to contradict you, but wonder are you perhaps getting mixed up, as I'm surprised with myself that I can't remember the game you mentioned. Vernon was one of my favourite players also, when I was a kid.
Mike Gaynes
602 Posted 03/02/2021 at 01:46:11
And to think this was my first time fishing.

I've always envied the ability of guys like Brent and Kevin P. to just let a hook drift out and see who they could catch. So I decided to try it myself... with one little sentence at #496. Figured nobody would notice.

And 100 posts later... wow.

I gotta do that again sometime.

Mike Gaynes
603 Posted 03/02/2021 at 01:56:34
Dale #587, just for you, mate:

And Jamiela, this one's for you, from Michaela:

Phil Lewis
604 Posted 03/02/2021 at 02:12:56
Only just noticed your post. I'm wracking my brain to remember the Cardiff 8-3 game you mentioned. Mind you, I was only about 8 years old then.
I have letters that my big brother kept from around that time. He was 11 years older than me, working away laying tarmacadam for the Trinidad Lake asphalt company doing all the roads in remote areas of North Wales and all over the North West. I must root them out, as I always gave my brother results and match reports each week. I'm certain I would have reported such a memorable game as that. It was heartwarming for me to receive those letters he had kept for all those years, from his wife after he passed away a couple of years back. His digs were 'out in the wilds', probably without TV or radio reception and certainly no telephone access. So this 'Cub reporter from Kirkdale' kept him up to date about 'The Blues', Royal Mail permitting.
Alan J Thompson
605 Posted 03/02/2021 at 04:26:21
Brent; I think you are confusing Dame Nellie with Big Nellie.
Darren Hind
606 Posted 03/02/2021 at 05:16:18
Judge: "Mr Wood, I put it to you that you deliberately tried to mislead the jury by not only distorting the journo's remark but by attributing them to the player himself. Words he simply never said."

"Yeahbutnobutyeahbutno, your honor, I simply distorted what the journo said... and if the player didn't actually say those words, it's the journo's fault... I'm only the messenger."

Judge: "But Mr Wood. You have previous for this sort of thing; you often trawl fanboy magazines and recycle the misinformation you glean from them. When questioned about the manager he was signing for, the player gave him his dues for past triumphs and said "I think I can grow under him." He then went on to give his real reasons for joining... "but Everton is a big big club that I hope I would be in." Nowhere did he say he couldn't say no to playing under Ancelotti." But then you know that, don't you?"

Jay: "I only "shortened" the story, your honor... Honest!"

Judge: "Mr Woods, I don't see you as being a danger to the public. Nobody ever died as a result of reading this harmless drivel and there is very clearly an audience for it. The rabid defence of it is testimony to that... You are free to go and peddle/distort this shite to your heart's content."

I'm about to succumb to the temptation of a warm bed. Now that is really pulling power.

Big Game tonight. Let's hope the newbie hits the ground running. He said he wants to play for a big club. This is his chance.

Mike Gaynes
607 Posted 03/02/2021 at 06:35:35
And on it goes.

Darren, no newbie tonight. Not yet eligible for the roster.

Barry Rathbone
608 Posted 03/02/2021 at 07:47:41

We desperately need more Judges like yours.

Thomas Richards
609 Posted 03/02/2021 at 08:41:31
Sean O’Hanlon
610 Posted 03/02/2021 at 11:52:16
Terry 585, Phil 601. Apologies - you're absolutely right. I'm getting the two 8 goals scored games mixed up. I was at both games, and the mind was it little clearer then!
Will Mabon
611 Posted 03/02/2021 at 12:18:46
Kevin, 598;

I couldn't find any more detailed info on the deal, but if another club in the Prem. was to make arrangement with the/our player mid-contract, that would surely be a conflict of interest, and not legal, ordinarily.

In the event the deal is structured that way, then should he make such arrangement with another club, it would then have to be all over from our (Everton's) perspective, as far as further playing/paying. As you say, we'd then see essentially see nothing from him.

I can't see this being the case.

Jay Wood

612 Posted 03/02/2021 at 12:19:48
Astonishing. Truly astonishing.

How a simple link in post 487 to Josh King's first words after joining Everton has provoked a string of 'humphing' posts at 515, 520, 525, 538, 552 and the latest beaut at 606.

But the penny has finally dropped with me. It's because the author of those posts seemingly believes my harmless link @ 487 was a conscious and deliberate attempt to ridicule and provoke him.

What vanity. What an inflated (and fragile) ego. Making it all about HIM.

It wreaks of someone who thinks and posts with a certain mindset assuming that everyone else thinks and posts in the same vein. Thankfully, that is far from the case.

So once again we are treated to the tired and trite cliches Jim Jennings recently parodied from the Hind Greatest Shits Collection, culminating in a High Lord Executioner's judiciary fabrication.

Bizarre. Warped. False. Again.

You were born out of time, Darren. You (and Barry Rathbone) would have sat well on the bench of the Star Chamber or during medieval witch hunts.

You're beginning to sound like a battered squeaking door in an abandoned building.


Bill Gienapp
613 Posted 03/02/2021 at 12:32:07
Wow Sean (572) - there's an impressive amount of nonsense in that post.

From dogging the King signing because the likes of Manchester City didn't want him (no doubt you were on here asking why we'd sign a relegated loser like Idrissa Gueye or a Barcelona reject like Lucas Digne), likening the transfer window to a fiasco (yes - shifting dead wood, sending young players who need game time out on loan and signing a versatile backup forward to a team-friendly deal. However will we recover?) and, best of all, declaring the season a "dead rubber" (I'm surprised you didn't say we're in a relegation battle while you were at it) - it's like the ToffeeWeb equivalent of a Rembrandt.

Brendan McLaughlin
614 Posted 03/02/2021 at 12:41:25
Kevin #596
Where did you read that the extension needs Kings approval?
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
615 Posted 03/02/2021 at 12:42:46
It's the underlying threat that the words of any player would prove him wrong, Jay. He can't let that stand.

He can't accept the idea that anyone would join Everton because Ancelotti was the manager, and therefore he must twist and squirm and write his usual string of nonsense to justify his mistaken conviction.

He did just the same about James Rodriguez but I'm sure most people would say, if asked, that of course he joined Everton because of Ancelotti. As indeed the player did himself.

Kevin Molloy
616 Posted 03/02/2021 at 12:59:05
Will Mabon
617 Posted 03/02/2021 at 13:49:56

I hope those contract details that Carlo says he doesn't know, are properly structured!

Anyway - let's see how the guy performs. He's apparently comfortable out wide either side, anywhere across the front, though I've never seen him play that way, in the little I have seen of him. Maybe this will wake Richarlison up.

Gavin Johnson
618 Posted 03/02/2021 at 15:04:29
Athletic saying we paid significantly less than £5m for the remainder of Kings contract
John McFarlane Snr
619 Posted 03/02/2021 at 15:04:54
Hi Darren [606] I am struggling to be as diplomatic as I can, I believe that you are a passionate and loyal Everton supporter, one I would like to share a bottle of Guinness with, but your numerous posts confirm the fact that you don't like Carlo Ancelotti as the manager of Everton. I think that like any manager he needs to be given time to prove his worth, the phrase 'how long is a piece of string?' springs to mind, mine would be at least two seasons. Unfortunately you seem to have no string at all. I must add that this post is not meant to cause offence, because I agree with many of your comments, and I really would like to share a Guinness with you. I suspect that there is a hint of mischief in many of your posts.
Steve Brown
620 Posted 03/02/2021 at 15:38:31
He's a mixed up kid, so don't be too harsh.
Thomas Richards
621 Posted 03/02/2021 at 15:46:48
One name tells you of the pulling power of Ancelotti Steve.

Does anyone thinks James would be playing for Everton if Ancelotti was not our manager?

Brendan McLaughlin
622 Posted 03/02/2021 at 16:34:34
Kevin #616
Can see where you're coming from but I think/hope that's the journo taking Carlo too literally. I hope that when Carlo says it's down to the player he means that if King plays well enough Everton can at our discretion trigger an extension. As Will #617 points out Carlo also admits that he doesn't actually know the finer details of the deal. I'm hoping Everton have got this right.
Kieran Kinsella
623 Posted 03/02/2021 at 16:38:48
One of the most peculiar statements I've ever read on ToffeeWeb. I found myself laughing, not sure if it's with the poster or at the poster or just out of amused bewilderment, but this sentence.

"Judge: "Mr Woods, I don't see you as being a danger to the public."

Rob Sachro
624 Posted 03/02/2021 at 17:30:41
All I have to say is: Josh King is supposed to be a forward and his career stats read: 295 games 65 goals... That's a goal every 4.5 games. Hardly prolific. And he's 29! A 29-year-old forward with 65 goals in his entire career. We'd have been better off giving one of the youngsters a chance.
Darren Hind
625 Posted 03/02/2021 at 17:36:10
"He cannot accept the idea that anyone would join Everton because Ancelotti"

At last. Michael. A post that didnt try to misrepresent me.

As for the twisting and squirming. Not I.

You see, You don't need to try to wriggle out when you stick to the players direct quotes. You can leave those trying to pull the wool to do the twisting and squirming.

I did not respond to Jay Wood until he put it to me (in his best Rumpole of The Bailey) voice "Who on this thread has said it"
The response from Jay and the posse when I gave him the answer was worth the entrance fee alone.

"It was a wind up...E wuz Onee messsen"

Anyway, as I say Michael is bang on the money when he says. I cant wont/accept anyone would join Everton because of Ancelotti...For me it will only ever be the other way round

Got no more to say on the matter

Mike Gaynes
626 Posted 03/02/2021 at 17:43:31
Rob #624, I actually posted the stats above -- King scores a non-penalty goal every 336 minutes of play. So no, he's not prolific.

HOWEVER... he has tremendous pace and aggression, which we lack. He's an experienced professional with universal respect in the league, and he can step right in where we are desperately short of cover. And he's risk-free, costing us next to nothing.

If Carlo and his coaching staff thought one of the kids was ready for prime time, they'd have gotten the chance, but nobody was ready. Not one of the TWers who have regularly seen Simms or Broadhead play considers them ready for the first team.

This was a good move. Not a game-changer, but a good move.

Thomas Richards
627 Posted 03/02/2021 at 17:49:14
Rob Sachro
628 Posted 03/02/2021 at 17:55:19
Mike #626 That's fair enough. He might have pace and aggression but thought we were looking for a goalscorer? Which he is not. Calvert-Lewin has 61 goals already, and he's only 23... six years younger!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for an argument. I'm not saying Josh is a bad player, just that he's not a goalscorer, which I thought we were looking for.

I hope he proves me wrong and bangs them in! I really do.

Graham Mockford
629 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:35:43
‘Got no more to say on the matter’

There you go folks, I’ve responded, you dimwits have been defeated.

Captain Blowhard strikes again

Brian Harrison
630 Posted 05/02/2021 at 11:02:23
I see the Echo are reporting that the reason why the Bernard transfer broke down was because he couldnt agree personnel terms with Al Nasr. Usually that's the first thing that's agreed between the players agent and the buying club. But maybe he thinks by staying till the end of the season Everton might lower their asking price and he can then increase his signing on fee.

The Bosman ruling was brought in to try and give the players a bit more control, but nowadays it seems to have swung massively in the players favour. It looks a bit like the Barkley transfer to Chelsea both clubs agreed a fee and all of a sudden while having a medical Barkley decides the move isn't right for him at that time because in his words he wasnt fit enough. But if he thought Chelsea would look elsewhere if he didnt sign would he have still pulled out. Or maybe his agent got assurances from Chelsea that if he didnt sign they would come back in the summer were most probably Everton would have to reduce their asking price, which is exactly what happened.

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