Transfer Deadline Day
Everton have reportedly lodged a late offer for Bournemouth forward Josh King
A late move by Everton for Bournemouth's Josh King came off as the Blues have beaten Fulham to the forward's signature by landing him on a six-month contract for a nominal fee.
Little was expected in terms of incomings at Everton today but the dwindling number of available senior players in the squad after Cenk Tosun returned to Turkey had heightened speculation that the club might make a late move to secure a forward before the deadline.
According to Sky Sports News, both the Blues and Fulham had held talks with the Cherries for King as 11pm approached after Southampton's interest had waned, leaving the 29-year-old with a straight choice between a short-term contract on Merseyside or a longer-term stint at Craven Cottage.
King opted for the flexibility of a temporary arrangement, a chance to compete for Europe under Carlo Ancelotti, and the possibility to make the move permanent in the summer, with the move confirmed before the 11pm cut-off. The deal could be worth up to £5m depending on how Everton fare this season and whether King extends his time with the club. King will wear the Number 11 shirt vacated by Theo Walcott.
Meanwhile, Jonjoe Kenny's loan move to Celtic was confirmed late in the evening and Anthony Gordon followed him out the door on a temporary basis to Preston North End.
Jonal Lössl had asked to leave the club to find a new challenge elsewhere and he completed a free transfer back to FC Midtjylland, where he began his career. Beni Baningime signed on loan for his former team-mate, Wayne Rooney, at Derby County until the end of the season.
Tosun completed his loan move back to Besiktas but Bernard's proposed permanent switch to Al Nasr in the United Arab Emirates appears to have collapsed. The incoming deadline for the Arabian Gulf League is, apparently, on Wednesday but the Liverpool Echo have reported that the move is unlikely to go ahead.
Had he made the switch to the Middle East, Carlo Ancelotti would have been down two more attacking players following the decision to let Moise Kean and Theo Walcott leave in the summer transfer window.
Without King, it would have left only Dominic Calvert-Lewin and an out-of-form Richarlison as strikers and just Alex Iwobi, James Rodriguez and, at a stretch, Gylfi Sigurdsson as players who could be regarded as attacking in a team chasing European qualification.
Joshua Zirkzee joined Parma instead of Everton and rumours of a potential move for Roma's Edin Džeko gained no traction.
Talk of a late move for Inter winger Ivan Perisic was quashed by the Italian club whose CEO Marotta insisted that he would not be letting any players go before the deadline, including another player vaguely linked with Everton, Christian Eriksen.
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1 Posted 01/02/2021 at 06:08:20
ps: Can we sign out of contract players after the window closes?
2 Posted 01/02/2021 at 06:22:06
3 Posted 01/02/2021 at 06:28:44
4 Posted 01/02/2021 at 06:38:55
5 Posted 01/02/2021 at 06:51:20
6 Posted 01/02/2021 at 07:05:49
7 Posted 01/02/2021 at 07:06:42
8 Posted 01/02/2021 at 07:13:15
9 Posted 01/02/2021 at 07:22:12
10 Posted 01/02/2021 at 07:26:52
11 Posted 01/02/2021 at 07:37:36
12 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:00:45
13 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:11:24
14 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:18:36
On registering Besic, I guess we could but centre mid is well stocked already (albeit not with quality).
Also notice our former youth striker Sam Cosgrove has just joined Brum from Aberdeen. Keep working hard, Sam, and the Premier League may beckon.
15 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:20:34
We don't want an unknown who they think is the next best thing again.
16 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:21:39
I will be very surprised if we do not have something cooking.
17 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:29:54
18 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:34:37
19 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:51:43
20 Posted 01/02/2021 at 08:55:53
If that happens, we're probably in okay shape.
21 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:03:06
I'd love us to pull an out-of-field option in, someone from South America etc, an unknown pacey winger. I'm going to be disappointed at the close of this window I think, manage your expectations man!!!!
22 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:04:54
If we have nothing in the pipeline (Bailey, Dzeko etc) we have diminished the squad, albeit of mainly expensive under-achievers, and not prepared for the rest of this season. Walcott, Kean, Bolasie, Bernard, Tosun, Simms all out. There must be someone coming the other way... Mustn't there?
23 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:11:39
24 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:14:59
25 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:18:27
As others have rightly said, the departure of those on the fringe has left our squad even more vulnerable to the loss of key players when injury or suspension strike. We do have one or two coming back – assuming Gbamin returns (and is actually useful after such a long injury) and Allan regains both the form he showed and the exciting promise he was showing as he settled.
We need one or two short-term loans to fill the gaps that are there for everyone to see as well as the additional forward.
26 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:31:35
27 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:36:52
28 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:41:37
29 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:44:18
I am not really confident its the best business to do unless it is on loan. Massive wages, long contract, age and injuries. I am loathe we do more panic buying in the January window and were lumbered with a player for 4 years who risks being bang average and doesnt have the quality to get us to the next level.
Would much prefer a loan and a get a player bit younger and a bit more quality in June. Young quality forward, with pace and improvement in him. There will be a few we could target in the summer.
30 Posted 01/02/2021 at 09:45:02
31 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:04:16
Disaster for EFC, no backup forward... no chance of top 6.
32 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:05:32
33 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:19:40
There's still players sitting on that bench he clearly doesn't trust like Gordon, who can't even get on when Richarlison has stunk.
I'm not madly bothered about Zirkzee because I think he's another head-in-ass Moise Kean type player.
An experienced old hand would come in handy, a modern day Kevin Campbell type signing.
34 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:29:44
35 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:31:10
36 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:33:44
37 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:35:46
I know it's clear that has time passed he hasn't been able to cut the mustard here but still when he first arrived he dovetailed beautifully on the left with Lucas Digne, so well that brief comparisons were made with "Bainaar".
Another one for the failed filing cabinet however, but just for old times sake...
"Bernard, Bernard will tear you apart again!!!"
38 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:37:24
We need a striker. Obviously.
39 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:38:58
Sky Italy are reporting Joshua Zirkzee has arrived in Milan ahead of his move from Bayern Munich to Parma. The player will undergo his medical before signing his contract.
It is understood to be a loan deal with an option to buy for €15m, which could become an obligation.
Bayern Munich are understood to be adding a 7.5 per cent sell on clause in the deal.
40 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:51:10
Brands told us weeks ago that his mission in this window is to trim the over-blown squad not to add to it. So it wouldn't surprise me if nobody came in this window, and if they do its more likely a loan deal. This window is notorious for having to pay way over the odds for journeymen players; with our precarious financial position I think we need to be very careful on when and how we spend.
I know most fans expect players to be bought in every window, and if you don't they look at it as a missed opportunity. Yes, we have got a few off the books for now but come the summer if these players don't impress the clubs they are loaned to then they come back onto an already bloated wage bill. I know we are very light up-front should Calvert-Lewin our only out and out striker get injured we may struggle, but I don't think Tosun was a viable option should that happen, and the same with Bernard.
Come the summer we will be in a better position to assess where we are financially, we will hopefully have made the loan deals permanent and will hopefully have some spare cash to help the club buy a couple of quality players. I think, without the sponsorship money that Usmanov has supplied, we would be in a more precarious financial position.
We will be limited to what we can spend because we are close to our FFP ceiling, so whatever money we spend in this window will mean there will be less to spend in the summer, when usually you get a better quality player for a little less than if you had bought that player in January.
41 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:56:10
42 Posted 01/02/2021 at 10:58:41
43 Posted 01/02/2021 at 11:04:56
But this is Everton so we'll probably get a pair of falsies and go tits up.
44 Posted 01/02/2021 at 11:29:39
Like many have said after decades of nothing from our club, nothing will change this season. The window with Lukaku and Barry was the standout for me.
45 Posted 01/02/2021 at 11:37:55
I don't expect anyone in today and so far theres been one link to kink and perisic which dont scream concrete as of yet.
Weve normally avoided January and whilst I don't rate Tosun or Bernard, letting them go and having absolutely nobody on the bench is lunacy.
Weve had two keepers on the bench majority of the season and it will now be fully filled with youngsters who simply arent ready.
The long term business from us has been shocking. Wheres the plan?
46 Posted 01/02/2021 at 11:50:18
47 Posted 01/02/2021 at 11:54:41
48 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:02:55
As for top 4, that was always a stretch too far.
Top 6 was doable with luck and a fall from grace by one or two richer clubs.
Our squad looks about 7th or 8th really, and a Josh King won't make a huge difference to that. If Ancelloti gets us above 7th it will be a heck of an achievement.
Bit of a grim reality but the departures will pave the way for a material improvement in summer.
49 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:20:17
The long-term planning bit was more aimed at our business over the last 5 years, mate. Brands was brought in with the reputation of buying exciting young talent and selling them at a huge profit.
Bar Kean, who could still very well make us money, I don't think we've taken that approach and are now in a position where we have to get rid of our entire bench to break even.
Completely agree that it's underperforming players and they don't have a future but the idea that we just get rid of them all and bring in nobody is lunacy.
I've said all along, if we get Europa League, that's big progress for us and top 4 is a few steps too far but just imagine if Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin both pick up injuries? Is the plan to play Sigurdsson as a striker? I understand letting a few go now but we have literally no attackers.
50 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:25:57
51 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:38:10
Ancelotti stated at the start of the season that Europe was the aim. If that doesn't happen, he has failed. Some of the defeats so far can be put firmly at his door.
52 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:40:52
53 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:44:34
54 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:45:10
55 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:47:32
56 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:56:03
57 Posted 01/02/2021 at 12:57:48
Bernard - Bolasie - Tosun represent combined wages of more than 200k a week. That is just bonkers and that is what we have been dealing with. Add Delph, GBamin to that and it's another 100k+ a week on players that currently contribute nothing.
So no chance of any more 100k a week players (Diego Costa/Perisic/Dzeko etc) coming in this window, or any window I assume.
We need a long term strategy - 15-16 first team players of real quality, and then another 6-8 younger players with great potential.
I can see movement the next summer window. More outward movement of underperformers and over earners - Gomes, Siggy, Delph, Coleman. And maybe a few big sales: Kean, Richarlison and maybe one of the centre backs (with Branthwaite taking their place). This would bring in 150 million or so in fees and give room for investment, but it will have to be sensible investment.
My hope, is that the mentality will change. Quite often over the years, we have actually responded well when we have had injury crisis' etc. The players develop a better unity and better mentality. The same small group of players week in week out, work out a way to play and win despite the problems.
Under Moyes, we performed well despite having a smal squad and no money. Our club had performed worse ever since we've started spending money and having squad filled with players just lining their pockets. A return to Everton that performs greater than the sum of its parts would be welcome.
58 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:01:40
Hes done things wrong, but so what if he fails to get Europe. Koeman got us in Europe, and was gone before the group stages had ended.
Im interested in Everton being able to compete before they move on to better things, so its no use taking 4 points off Leicester, if we take none from Newcastle, because although we have been doing well when we park the bus, we are not so good when we try and move away from protecting our defenders.
Why? Id say we are not good enough to do this yet, but thats just my opinion. sometimes we look miles away and sometimes we dont look that far away, so if we fail I wont despair, because Ive always been of the opinion that making Everton great again (I wish) was never going to happen overnight
59 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:04:24
Ian, I agree Carlo will have failed in his own personal aim to get us into Europe. Noting that about 7 sides with better (generally much better) squads have the same or loftier aims, then it puts that aim into perspective. Based on the tools at his disposal then we should finish 7th or 8th. If he fails to do that, then it's a more objective failure.
60 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:06:39
61 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:17:18
He said a while back that when he invested in Everton he didnt envisage having to spend so much time looking after the clubs affairs. Which simply allowed managers and DOFs and possibly with support from 1 of the board for them to spend money like it was going out of fashion. Now I am sure Moshiri trusted that pouring hundreds of millions into a club that previously with no money had managed very respectable league positions, then the injection of his money would have us challenging for a top 6 spot. And quite frankly he was right to expect that sort of improvement. But through poor decisions we are still fighting for the same 7th position, and millions literally wasted.
I think he needs to set a budget and stick to it, and realize that throwing money at the problem has failed miserably.
62 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:22:23
Can you expand on that please Brian.
63 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:23:22
64 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:25:38
65 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:32:46
After years of being thrifty, of scouting players, of making sure players had the right mentality before signing. To just spending willy nilly on whoever came up, offering huge contracts, without any long term plan - is just depressing.
I'm willing to accept Everton being a top-7/8 club for the next couple of years IF it means there is some fundamental changes going on, with long term planning and structures put in place where we invest in youth, promote young players, and sign players when the due dilligence has been done and we know they will make a significant impact.
Like Leicester - after Leicester won the league, they predictably spent lots of money to try and improve their squad and most the of teh money was badly spent - Musa, Slimani and many other multi-million pound players who failed to deliver. But they quickly changed course and refocussed their transfer strategy and it is paying dividends.
66 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:33:18
67 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:35:51
I don't number myself among them. I fancy those busily refreshing their newsfeed every 30 seconds today are in for a great deal of disppointment.
To date in the month of January, across all 20 PL clubs, there has only been one (medium-priced) recruitment of a new player. United's £19 million transfer of the teenager Amad Diallo from Atlanta. A punt on future potential. Three weeks after signing, he hasn't as much as made their 1st team bench.
Like us and other clubs, they have been OFFLOADING players, not recruiting them. Lingard to WHU. Rojo's contract cancelled and on his way back to Boca Jnrs. Several academy players loaned out.
Arsenal have let Ozil go for free and recruited just Odegaard and the 34-year-old keeper Matt Ryan from Brighton on loan.
Liverpool, looking to recruit a 25-year-old centre back from PNE for £2 million.
Leicester have let Demarai Gray and Slimani go and recruited noone.
WHU have sold Snodgrass and Haller and brought forward the intended summer payment of the on-loan Benrahma from Brentford to now, freeing up a loan spot to recruit Lingard.
Spurs, zilch incomings.
Chelsea, Piazon sold, Tomori and Drinkwater gone on loan. No incomings.
Villa have singed Morgan Sanson, a 26-year-old midfielder from Marseille.
And so it goes on all the way down the league.
NOBODY is going 'large', either in numbers or transfer fees. Most are clearing their books. Just like Everton.
68 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:38:27
After Moshiri: 7, 8, 8, 12.
And we can add teh caveat that, in the Moshiri years we have seen other clubs: Spurs and Leicester break the 'sky 6' barrier, which in the years preceeding Moshiri looked pretty impenetrable.
69 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:39:06
70 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:42:24
71 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:42:25
72 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:44:09
73 Posted 01/02/2021 at 13:53:17
And all of a sudden we have fans saying our manager is failing if we don't finisg top-6 or top-4. Saying that we should target top-4 etc. It's like they ignore the reality.
Our team has suffered 7 years of increasing mediocrity. It's not a trend that we can simply turn around in one fell swoop.
That's the task at hand, so first we must yes, get rid of the dead wood of 3 failed managers and if need be, work with a limited, bare bones squad.
No more short term fixes - no more average players on big contracts.
74 Posted 01/02/2021 at 14:13:25
I am all for offloading as many players as we can in this window. It's a panic buying market and probably our only chance of moving some of them on.
Regarding incomings, I want quality not quantity. Not filling the bench on a match day doesn't interest me.
75 Posted 01/02/2021 at 14:15:39
If nothing changes it reeks of complacency, and complacency has tragically been the chief feature of our Premier League history, never mind the past seven seasons.
Moshiri needs to have the balls to realise that despite his misplaced largesse his five year project about which he was so lyrical in 2016 is maybe only now, with CA as manager, effectively in year one.
77 Posted 01/02/2021 at 14:21:27
A world class manager.
A new ground in planning.
An improved points tally in managers first full season.
A multi billionaire backing the owner
78 Posted 01/02/2021 at 14:21:33
79 Posted 01/02/2021 at 14:25:03
I agree. This is Year one, and if it means clearing the decks, to allow Carlo and Brands to do their job better going forward so be it.
Short up front though (as the actress said to the bishop)
80 Posted 01/02/2021 at 14:41:38
81 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:01:03
We won't qualify for Europe this time around and, even if we did, we don't have the squad yet to compete at that level. Next season should be when we expect to start seeing some results from Carlo.
I think the summer will bring us a new goalie, an upgrade on Siggi, and a back-up for DCL, plus a couple of squad players. I'm not expecting any incoming today.
82 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:01:17
83 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:10:41
84 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:15:45
85 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:25:12
I did wonder whether Lewis Dobbin might be considered - but that seems unlikely given trouble Gordon has in getting a game. And Dobbin has been injured too, I think.
86 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:37:25
87 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:41:00
Oussama Idrissi is going to Ajax on loan, with an option to buy.
My local club AZ won't like that, after selling him to Sevilla in the summer. And losing 0-2 to Ajax yesterday.
Snap. Made my weekend even better...
88 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:47:53
89 Posted 01/02/2021 at 15:57:02
90 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:01:22
"I can't imagine Everton not adding to this very weak squad, won't allow myself to."
Do you remember the year Royle was sacked? He made deadline-day bids for Barry Horne and tried to sign Flo. But we got neither, he quit/got sacked and I remember we had to beg Paul Rideout into coming back from China as we ended up with a squad of only 15 players. Also, may have been the year we sold Arteta, when we ended up drafting 16-year-old Jose Baxter and Phil Jagielka into midfield due to a complete lack of players. So, sadly, we do have history when it comes to leaving ourselves short.
91 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:01:26
92 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:03:02
You're probably right lol he may even outlast Kenwright at the club.
93 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:07:41
Premier League Stats from this season:
Tosun - 3 sub appearances - 43 minutes no goals
Bolasie - Nothing
Lössl - Bench only
Kenny - 1 game - 76 minutes
Bernard - 2 starts + 3 sub appearances - 272 minutes 1 goal.
I calculate they have comprised 2.1% of a player's time on the pitch this season. Is it really weakening us?
If Calvert-Lewin or Richarlison got injured, would Carlo play Tosun or Bolasie? Bernard's time is over and so sell while we can or hold just in case and have him stuck here for 2 more years.
At the moment, I am not totally unhappy and for those who think we are in with a shout of Europe and this is throwing it away, I am trying to get something written up for the site which shows we are unlikely to make it anyway. If Carlo and Marcel look at the same stats, they are planning for next season already.
94 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:11:05
I stated in my post that we have regressed since Moshiri took over, as Fran detailed our league finishes prior to Moshiri taking over and since he took over. Let's also not forget that, before he took over, our managers had very little money to spend yet achieved by-and-large better league placings than those that followed; hence why I said we had regressed under Moshiri.
Yes, I agree he has now appointed a world-class manager, and yes, we have a new stadium in the planning, but that has to be paid for and as we saw with both Arsenal and Spurs they spent very little in the transfer market while building their stadiums. So I think we can expect our transfer kitty to be greatly curtailed when we eventually do start building our stadium.
Yes we have a multi-millionaire backing the owner obviously you are referring to Alisher Usmanov, but let's not forget Usmanov has already bankrolled Everton in getting first refusal on naming rights of the new stadium and in sponsorship deals he has done. But that money he has pumped in has been spent. I also think that those who regulate the FFP will be keeping a very close eye on any further investments from Usmanov into Everton. So that gravy train might run into problems further down the line.
So I am delighted we have Ancelotti on board – by far the best manager Moshiri could have appointed. I do think he will bring success to Everton but, with the financial constraints he may have to work under, it may take him longer than he would originally have liked.
95 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:11:08
96 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:11:39
Ps. You'd have made a great wing man in nightclubs. Always trying to chat up the stunners despite richer, more handsome men ahead of you in the queue.
97 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:12:12
98 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:17:30
A guy who lost his place in the Norwegian national team because he is no longer good enough, how the heck can he be good enough for Everton??? Even as a backup??? On a £130k a week??
99 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:17:32
100 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:19:42
101 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:24:11
102 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:27:43
On the whole Everton don't do goals do they, even Big Dunc (I think) managed to top 10 PL goals just once in a season.
103 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:39:37
King has scored a goal every three and a half games.
The demand to get him in has got me baffled.
104 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:44:41
105 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:47:13
106 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:49:45
107 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:51:48
Bring on Leeds. **gulp**
108 Posted 01/02/2021 at 16:57:20
We could have
Tony Hibbert - 265 appearances. 127 games in a defence which kept a clean sheet.
Alan Hansen - 520 appearances. 1 taking the lace out of the ball on the goal line in a Cup Final.
109 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:00:51
Billy Gilmour or Maitland Niles would be interesting but why would our rivals want to let them come here and if we did get them then half the fans would be saying ' we are buying rejects again'.
January transfer window is like the New Years sales-the good stuff isn't available, the stuff nobody wants is all that's on offer and you regret your buys the next month
110 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:11:11
111 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:13:00
112 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:14:10
113 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:17:49
The deadwood stage is riding on over the hills,
And its ship crap away,
Ship crap away,
Ship crap away
114 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:27:46
Fool me once. . .
115 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:36:44
116 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:37:19
117 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:37:51
Surely theres a striker in Scotland, Holland, Germany we could get in at decent age and price ?!
118 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:46:14
119 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:48:51
I like King who's a free agent in the summer but I don't think we wan't to pay the £100k weekly wage.
I would love a good attacking player now, but I can understand our new transfer policy.
120 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:50:38
Do not back down to these whinging attempts to get you to stop voicing your opinion.
There are a couple of posters on here who are averaging around 100 posts between them after each match. They patrol the threads like a pair of guard dogs refuting every criticism of this manager, no matter how factual...None of these shouter downers complain about them. In fact they will only support the excuses they offer. They're like sheep...all following the same path in the same unquestioning manner
There are some very knowledgeable fans on here who will take you to task with some fantastic counter arguments. The sheeple are not among them. They don't have a counter argument to what you say, so they will simply. err bleat that you said it.
I cant belief that people come on here to complain about your three line post..Everybody has the option of skating over posts from posters who's views they don't want to hear, but this mob mentality is designed to shut you up...They even tell you so.
You are right to criticise the shite we endure. If a small group on here cant handle the truth. Tough.
Keep reminding them of what it is they are excusing and applauding
121 Posted 01/02/2021 at 17:52:18
122 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:00:44
123 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:06:18
Shakes head in disbelief.
"Everybody has the option of skating over posts from posters who's views they don't want to hear,"
Have you considered taking your own advice?
124 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:08:05
I don't see us buying anyone. But, to me that sends a message to DCL and Richie that they are on easy street. If their only competition comes from Sig -- a guy who can't even get into the team in his favored position -- there's not exactly massive pressure for them to perform.
125 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:08:45
126 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:08:55
127 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:16:11
128 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:20:06
I went up to Walter Smith, and asked him why hed signed them, and his reply was “for fucksake son Ive got to do something”
Thats my feelings now, but for some unknown reason, I dont think Ancellotti feels the same way.
129 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:20:38
130 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:21:35
131 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:22:15
Since we have been loosely linked with Josh King I have been watching Bournemouth games to get a glimpse, he hasn't even made the starting eleven in many. The other day I watched the Reading V Bournemouth game and had to check the team sheet to ascertain he was actually playing, such was his 'influence on the game' (?) where they were outplayed by Reading. One word, Swerve!
132 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:25:52
133 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:28:24
Hes not playing that much now !
We are so short ! A couple of injuries (DCL and Richy) and we have no strikers available.
I understand the financial issues, poor value for money in January but with no incoming transfers we should have kept our existing players.
Might regret this badly in weeks to come especially as 4th is really up for grabs.
134 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:29:49
135 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:33:31
If we do manage a run of form to finish top 4, it will be down to our best players playing week in week out. Luck with injuries and suspensions.
It's unlikely, but that's the only way.
136 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:36:20
137 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:40:05
Didn't Sandy Brown do likewise on occasions? In fact, was there a position he didn't step into?! Talking about modern-day players having no bloody guts, Sandy Brown was always 100% committed.
138 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:40:27
So what ? You may ask Well they earn that sort of money to take care of the squad and yet, if Calvert- Lewin gets injured we are FCUK'd
139 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:41:43
140 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:43:33
Jimmy Gabriel played up front as well. Did ok
141 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:44:08
142 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:46:00
143 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:46:09
Leicester, Spurs, Southampton, West Ham, Villa are all teams that too a pretty reliant on their one centre forward. All have struggled to find adequate back up.
Good, reliant centre forwards just aren't that easy to find. More fail than succeed.
I'm guessing Brands and Ancelotti are hedging their bets - more likely DCL will not get injured than we are likely to find a striker who can adequately replace him.
144 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:47:06
145 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:47:15
Another one was Ian Marshall. Not at Everton but after he left, he was CB for Oldham until they had an injury crisis then suddenly became their striker. Ended with only four less career goals than Big Dunc.
146 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:47:24
Ancelotti is heading for 6th to 9th. There's no great gain from spending now. And there's nothing really at stake.
It's shit for us as fans because it robs us of a bit of hope - and might rob us of a few wins - and I like the Europa league too.
147 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:49:05
148 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:50:43
149 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:52:01
Assuming the Burnley rumors are true, then that makes absolutely no sense at all.
150 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:56:27
Cant disagree with any of that but Id prefer to have Kean, Walcott, Bernard and even Bolasie as options off the bench than having nothing like we did on Saturday!
I get the saving of the wages but theres a real opportunity for someone this season and despite Saturdays terrible showing, why not us!?
We really are short now and a few injuries to forwards has a huge impact !! Whos 3rd choice CF now ??
151 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:57:23
I don't get why he agreed to go to Celtic. Dont get me wrong they are a great club with fantastic history and you'd have to be mad not to want to play in front of 60,000 screaming Sellic supporters...but this is lock down. the place is empty. The league is poor and much as I hate to say it the Hoops are currently crap
152 Posted 01/02/2021 at 18:58:29
He took no prisoners, but he was very polite when he first arrived. He used to help them up off the floor after hed flattened them. Soon gave up on that.
Jimmy, Stevens and Tony Kay were immense in the post freeze long run in to the 1963 Championship. As important as Young and Vernons goals.
Steel, class and commitment. It cemented Kays reputation as an Everton great. They were magnificent.
153 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:02:53
154 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:05:46
155 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:07:36
He went to Celtic, because hes desperate to play football, Darren, and after the Burnley move broke down, he thought he was going to be stuck at Finch/Farm, just to make the numbers up.
156 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:08:01
157 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:08:11
Every other side will strengthen and the unique, volatile nature of this season is unlikely to be repeated. We have a big chance right in front of us while Tottenham, Chelsea and Arsenal flounder - and it looks as though we're going to pass it up. Relying on two forwards for the rest of the season will be absurd.
158 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:10:05
159 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:12:54
Yes some of the football has been appalling to watch at times but its also produced some excellent and unexpected results.
Ancelotti inherited a bloated, overpaid squad, with players bought by many different managers including some still here since Moyes time and with a few astute, targeted additions in the ONE real window hes had, has them threatening the top end of the table. In his first 38 games in charge he has achieved a points total that would have us challenging the top six most seasons.
Moshiri has gotten a lot of things wrong since he took control, but I dont think appointing Ancelotti or backing him, be it with money or time (ideally both) is one of them.
You dont have to be a sheep or a happy clapper to think that for once, there ‘might be a plan.
P.s. on topic, I hope we sign a few, boy does Carlo needs them ;)
160 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:13:41
161 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:18:04
162 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:20:40
163 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:24:04
Ancelotti had signed four first team players?
Where is the defensive squad he is building?
164 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:30:23
We did indeed win 4-1 with King scoring a hatrick.
It is on YouTube that game a good 20 odd minutes, maybe more.
Joe Royle was playing for Bristol City.
165 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:30:55
The squad is now 3 keepers, 8 Defenders, 13 midfielders and 2 forwards.
166 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:32:12
Im hoping and believe that the club has a stratedgy and a plan for this window and the summer window.
My gut is that there wont be any incomings, by 11 p.m. tonight, but I could be wrong.
Seriously massive game v Leeds, on Wednesday, and I hope the players can take their medicine, and antone for Saturday.
167 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:32:49
City have played without a striker for most of the season, lpool have played without an out an out striker for about 3 years.
The game is changing, speed and technique are the pre requisites. Who has been better than Messi or Ronaldo over the last 20 years? Neither of them you would class as out and out strikers
168 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:34:38
One forward in would be a good balance.
What ratio of positions would you think ideal.
Do you think the names you mention who have left would make a difference to our finishing position ?
169 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:40:00
170 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:40:10
171 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:43:02
Do you know how many league goals the five of them have scored between them for EFC this season?
172 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:46:09
173 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:51:46
174 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:51:47
175 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:53:46
Celtic a safer bet and will probably get more game time.
Financially I think we could still get 5M in the summer for him but this is a good chance to showcase his talents for a new contract or team.
176 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:55:11
Has to be an upgrade on players leaving though.
177 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:56:14
That isnt how I want my team to play either. I just dont get how a few of you go on about getting rid of Ancelotti as being the answer. He came in and improved us and several of the players he inherited. Hes playing to our strengths while trying to not over-expose our weaknesses (largely in my opinion, ‘the midfield) Thats the sign of a good manager to me.
178 Posted 01/02/2021 at 19:57:57
Think that rumour died.
179 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:00:36
Maitland Niles move to WBA is reported to be on hold as anotber Prem club has made a bid.
Please let it be us.
Exact profile of player we should build into our squad
180 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:00:59
Regards Victor Meldew.
181 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:04:04
Not as bad as suggesting playing Simms, though, as your mate did!
182 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:04:38
183 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:08:45
184 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:10:03
185 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:10:46
186 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:12:17
187 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:12:19
188 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:13:29
189 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:17:44
Expect it'll be a Kings ransom...boom,boom! BTW Everton are 1/10 on with Skybet to sign King
190 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:19:44
191 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:19:45
192 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:19:56
193 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:22:07
194 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:22:26
Not linking these but I always believe there is talent in the Scottish PL and the Championship. Could we not loan someone..
Deeney, Ighalo, OK I've started to get desperate despite admitting that I don't think anyone is coming in.
195 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:25:16
Who are the two centre halfs Ancelotto has signed for Everton?
196 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:26:39
197 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:27:13
Ying tong ying tong, ying tong tiddle ey de
198 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:31:50
Hope you win the lottery my friend. 😁😁
199 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:35:27
Stephen @172. I'd completely forgotten about Broadhead. He is a cut above U23s though no great shakes at Burton. Maybe they see enough in him to be an emergency stand in if needs be.
200 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:35:47
He is not someone who is going to transform our club, he is not someone who is gonna improve us.
He's a squad player. Nothing more.
Gordon on loan is a good move. He is not up to the level required, that has been clear when he did step up. He's talented, but needs experience playing week in week out. Bit of Championship experience and he could make an impact like Harvey Barnes is doing for Leicester.
201 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:37:33
I agree, a useless piece of shit on the bench is better than no shit at all but, for fuck's sake, make your fucking minds up!!
202 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:38:05
The echo are saying Gordon is going to Preston, a good move for young Anthony Id say
Good post Rob, theres nothing worse than putting on subs, who are not really good enough, and usually just for the sake of it
203 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:38:16
Yes hes scored 2 again tonight. Surely he can take a bench slot if we have 9 spaces. Granted, hes probably not the answer but Id rather him on the bench if DCL or Richy got injured?!
204 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:41:54
205 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:42:13
206 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:44:57
Its balanced off though mate.
Using the same logic he has signed two flying attacking full backs.
207 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:45:07
208 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:45:33
209 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:46:17
210 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:47:17
211 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:49:09
If hes coming the sensible thing is to buy him
Doesnt work out you will get double your money back.
Less wages as well
212 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:49:09
213 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:51:17
214 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:52:08
215 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:52:32
216 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:52:33
217 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:53:35
218 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:54:23
Do we want to progress as a club or continue to pay average players top wages then moan about them.
We have all said we need to get rid of "deadwood" but we continually stockpile it.
I was hoping that with getting Ancelotti onboard that he would demand greater quality signings to progress us.
I can live with us selling poor players and only having a couple of subs on the bench in the hope that better quality will be brought in. Signing a 2nd rate striker isn't a good sign for the future.
That's if there is any truth in the King rumour.
219 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:56:17
220 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:57:14
But, I do sincerely hope we get a striker in. It would be baffling, especially now the finances have been eased by the various exits.
I think King is a good player. Maybe not a signing to get the pulse racing, but good given the circumstances and an upgrade on Tosun/Simms. Kean is hard to judge, but he didn't want to be here.
221 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:57:15
222 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:57:42
Jay Woods, who knows his stuff, reporting from Brazil " what the fuck a left back is doing in the six yard box from that move I don't know."
Off the cuff footballer this lad.
Got high hopes for him
223 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:58:10
I think we have established Carlo has signed two centerbacks (although one of them wont be 19 for a few months) He Has signed two midfield players who offer zilch going forward (but don't half tackle a lot) and he has signed a full back - who cant get a selected until the devil has been removed from his game
Just because 5 out of six of his signings are defenders. it doesnt mean Ian Edwards is right about building a squad of spoilers and It doesnt mean the excuse makers are wrong - Again !
Oh alright it does...but Josh King is on his way to redress the balance
224 Posted 01/02/2021 at 20:59:04
225 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:00:41
226 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:01:55
They've signed Bergkamp's kid, who was released by a second-tier Dutch club, and Maurizio Pochettino from Spurs.
Maybe we should do the same. Does a certain infamously never-signed South American midfielder (whose name I have sworn never to use again) have a kid?
227 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:02:01
228 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:02:14
229 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:03:34
230 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:06:04
231 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:10:15
232 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:12:42
233 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:15:28
He has been injured this season so don't judge his current scoring record.
If we can get him for 5m he will be a snip.
234 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:17:32
We need someone.
I personally would have stuck with Tosun if there is no decent strikers available but now hes gone we defo need someone or were riding are look with injuries. And things go stale
235 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:20:31
236 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:21:10
I just hope that he picks Fulham. Bad signs that we are even linked with him.
237 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:21:16
So you have to ask yourself whether you'd prefer Tosun who can't play as a lone striker and doesn't have pace, or would you prefer a player who can run with the ball and can over three positions, and is a proven premier league player?!?
If we also manage to offload Mo Besic's wages this will be a decent window.
238 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:21:51
Why do constantly buy players that other clubs no longer want !
239 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:24:21
Didn't Norwich used to do that? pretty sure at one point they had Paul Dalglish (son of Kenny) and Alex Bruce (son a Steve), may have been when Mike Walker (son of a bitch) was there
240 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:26:09
I hope you are right. If I'm honest. King has largely gone under my radar. I've seen him of course, but not enough to make a semi decent assessment.
He is getting dismissed here by people who have clearly seen more of him than I have..but sometimes this sort of signing works out.
If he signs I will embrace him and pray he forges a long successful career as an Everton player. If he doesnt... fuck him
241 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:27:01
He offers a genuine attacking threat and realistic competition for DCL (technically better) and Ric, (looked awful this past month, maybe disinterested?).
If we get him surely he's a good signing that improves the squad and possibly team on current form.
Plus, it's not my money but I think good value.
242 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:28:19
243 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:28:41
244 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:35:32
Id like to see if this transpires down to the player?
Looks like Gordon going on loan to PNE.
245 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:36:03
Carlo and Brands have had months to sort out this important striker issue but have shown a totally arrogant neglect of duty. Leaving it so late in the day to take any action.
246 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:37:19
247 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:43:09
Disappointed Lossl has been sold. Thought we may have eclipsed a Premier League record by having three goalies on the bench against Leeds. I seen there is a guy called Delph in our squad, does anyone know where he plays?
248 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:44:02
249 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:44:46
I think Delph plays hooky for the most part
250 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:45:32
If the interest in King is genuine then it smacks of the same desperation that gave us Iwobi. I can only think that we are trying to gazump Fulham so that he can't score his first goal of the season, and their winner, for them at Goodison in couple of weeks time. He will be next seasons deadwood.
251 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:46:59
His injury record was always a problem whilst King is more of a forward. Can cover the wing's and centre and less injury prone.
King improves us. Better than the out goings. Other top club's haven't gone for him because they don't need another forward who may not be better than what they have.
Look at other top clubs attacking options. They all have 4 or 5 good options. We have 2. Fulham have more options than we do. Its about the fit. Identify what we need and bring in the best you can.
Comparing our team and squad to Man City or them lot is laughable. Striker's or no Striker's, they both have forwards and midfielders that create and score and more importantly fit what and how they want to play.
252 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:48:21
253 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:48:52
254 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:51:49
255 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:52:45
256 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:54:20
257 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:55:02
258 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:56:15
259 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:58:00
260 Posted 01/02/2021 at 21:58:39
261 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:02:09
If Gordon goes to Preston, we're even barer. Extraordinary in my view.
262 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:02:33
I'm Pretty sure Allan and James are Carlos buys. Doucoure possibly.
Other's could potentiality be brilliant, Godfrey and Brainthwaite. But what about finding what we have needed for several seasons ie forwards!
263 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:02:45
264 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:08:10
265 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:09:16
Carlo Fantastico couldnt even attract Josh King to Everton.
That means 5 of his 6 signings have been defenders. Yes, midfielders Allan and Doucouré are now defenders.
What a frankie! Give the job to 🦏
266 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:09:44
267 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:13:07
Im sure I'm not the only one fed up with low scoring negative football. Robertos first season the main highlight for donkeys. I'm with Darren as so far as Carlo goes, hes gonna have to kick this squad up the arse for me to be won over.
268 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:13:48
269 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:14:39
Maybe the club is simply having a slight dip in fortunes
270 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:17:51
272 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:19:00
In the land of the Hind, the one eyed man is King
273 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:21:08
Stephen, we know Darren wants Simms to be given a chance in the first team but surely that's a step too far?
274 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:22:14
What a pair of goons. - Brands and Ancelotti
275 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:24:18
276 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:24:27
A £5 million loan fee?
277 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:25:46
278 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:26:19
279 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:27:03
280 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:27:25
281 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:28:18
282 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:33:06
283 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:33:57
Carlo and Brands have between now and the summer to find a suitable striker or two if they can be bothered. Until then we'll just have to go with what we've got, injuries permitting. It won't be very pretty that's for sure.
284 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:34:26
I think it's less irresponsible than what Everton have done. What with Pep having one of the best squads on the planet. A superb midfield and, lately, a stingy defence. If we had Stirling, Mahrez, Foden, De Bruyne etc., I reckon we could do without Josh King.
285 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:39:40
286 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:40:07
287 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:44:24
288 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:44:53
Maybe in the summer window....
289 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:45:59
290 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:46:30
Burnley signed a forward?
291 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:48:18
292 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:49:24
We're whittling down our squad.
293 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:49:41
294 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:50:12
Joshua won the battle of Jericho..and the walls came tublin' down
295 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:50:41
296 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:51:04
297 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:51:42
Is that us sorted now then?
Everyone happy? 😁
298 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:52:00
299 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:52:23
300 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:52:36
Come the summer, we will completely have Walcott's wages, Bolasie's wages, Besic's wages, off the wage bill. Potentially fees for Tosun, Bernard, Kenny and a big fee for Kean, thus it starts shaping more into Ancelotti's/Brand's squad.
Also, Lossl off the wage bill.
Branthwaite will have more experience, as will Simms, possibly Gordon if he goes out on loan.
Slowly, but surely getting there.
301 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:53:47
Who the fuck are chumbawumba.
302 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:55:10
Slowly, but surely getting there."
303 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:55:16
City and Lpool don't play with out and out strikers and funnily enough are the most successful teams.
Why do we have to prioritize a striker when we need more legs in the midfield.
Since Koeman and Walsh stockpiled players we have been wanting to get rid of the deadwood. Now that we are getting rid of the deadwood people aren't happy in losing esteemed players such as Bolase, Tosun,Walcott and Besic.
The big picture to me is that we have a manager that the club should bankroll and compete for top players.
Competing with Fulham over an average player in the last hour of a transfer window is disturbing to me and more or less says to Ancelotti that the club has no ambition to actually improve.
Most fans expectations where raised when bringing in Ancelotti. Buying average players then expecting us to swallow that we will challenge is insulting. Average players bring average results.
304 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:56:15
Hope its the one between Dover and Calais.
305 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:57:26
306 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:58:02
307 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:58:08
308 Posted 01/02/2021 at 22:58:52
309 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:00:23
It was never going to be an overnight fix, was it!?
310 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:01:27
Looks like youre right. According to the Athletic:
“ Blues chairman Bill Kenwright is understood to be playing a key part in negotiations over the transfer for the Norway international, who would add further attacking depth to the squad.”
311 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:01:56
"I get knocked down,, but I...,get. up,,,err...again"
312 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:02:14
313 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:02:17
314 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:03:20
315 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:03:26
316 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:03:42
317 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:06:22
318 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:06:43
319 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:07:07
Indeed, they need proper minutes under their belt. That's the problem with having an under 23s league, young peripheral players don't get enough minutes.
King, I don't know a lot about him, but he is fast I hear - and we are lacking pace, premier league ready and versatile. Ancelotti was talking up having versatile players in his squad.
320 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:07:35
321 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:09:32
322 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:12:46
323 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:13:54
6 hours watching the updates has done me in.
Keep smiling blue boys
Up the toffees
324 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:16:02
325 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:16:56
326 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:17:22
Well I can dream can't I?
All the best Josh.
327 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:17:32
328 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:23:44
With it being a short term deal it may give the player extra motivation to prove himself worthy of longer.
Financially we only have a 6 month commitment so whats not to like. An instant team / squad improvement in an understregnth area.
Now Brands and Carlo can work on the top / worldclass player's to bring in during the summer and really take us forwards to challenge for the top spots.
329 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:24:54
330 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:25:38
331 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:27:55
I'm guessing Bournemouth only get the full £5m if he stays beyond 6 months
332 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:30:50
333 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:33:40
334 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:34:20
335 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:38:44
The big boys aren't going to be quivering in their boots knowing that we have signed an average player to warm the bench. 5m for 6 months on the bench, Bournemouth must be laughing their socks off.
We have also probably made Kings agent very happy as he will probably sign for nomark FC in the summer and earn another 10%.
336 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:40:33
Does anyone know what Brands does?
Sad to say that lot over the park are far better in their dealings.
Blackburn signed another CB today, on loan from Man City. Harwood-Bellis, played in their cup match at Cheltenham a few weeks ago - competition for Branthwaite's game time there, unless they're going to play a back three
337 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:41:23
338 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:42:02
We've got him for six months which makes sense. Means we're not stuck with him should things not work out and that we'll be free to look in the summer for a long term alternative.
339 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:46:24
DCL has been good when those around him have got the ball in to the six yard box but hasnt created much for himself. I think Newcastle defended well against us because they packed the six yard box and denied him opportunities
340 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:48:13
341 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:49:20
342 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:52:29
He's joined Wayne Rooney at Derby.
343 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:58:48
What we do know is that we now have a player that covers 3 positions, and if we ain't happy with him, he will not be sitting on a long-term contract and be very difficult to shift.
He brings competition, pace and another goal threat to the squad. All much needed, and he is premier league ready and should be very motivated.
We have managed to get loans for 3 potential future first team players - Branthwaite, Gordon and Simms.
Got loan fees and part wages off the books for Tosun, Bolasie, Beningime this window, on top of getting the same for Walcott and Kean back in the summer months.
We have let Lossl go.
And this season we have brought in a keeper to back-up/challenge Pickford, 3 seasoned campaigners in Doucoure, Allen and James.
Youngsters in Branthwaite, Nkounkou, and Godfrey.
At the beginning of the season, we also got Niasse, Martina and Garbutt off the wage bill.
We still have Besic to shift, but every player now left at the club, apart from Besic, can contribute.
The summer will certainly see a lot of money freed up, and transfer fees coming in.
I am not sure whether Brands is doing a good job or not. But we are streamlining, plus improving.
It takes a lot of time to undo the last 4 managers mistakes!
344 Posted 01/02/2021 at 23:59:54
345 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:02:52
346 Posted 01/02/2021 at 00:02:59
Lossl, Bolasie and hopefully Besic (at least by summer I guess) gone, means we now have very little ‘deadwood left. Hopefully Tosun finds some form and earns a permanent move too.
Simms, Branthwaite, Kenny and Gordon will all be tested now. Time to sink or swim boys. cant complain at any of these loan moves really.
Theres obviously a lot of concern about the fire sale, and just how short weve left ourselves (particularly up top), but no-one who has left would currently walk in the first 11. Without Europe its hard to justify a stockpile.
First 11 isnt bad at all for 6 months at least:
Coleman Mina Keane Digne
King James Richie
9 subs are decent:
Bernard (or a kid / Gbamin)
Small and Onyango to step up if injuries.
Options to play with “flat back four”, 442 or 4-3-3 if someone not firing or injured.
and hopefully a very cheap market in the summer where Mr Moshiri can go and splash another £60m and sort out the right hand side and attacking cover.
Still great to be a blue. Just dont smash any mirrors, or walk under any ladders folks.
347 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:03:31
348 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:09:50
Yes, getting the squad streamlined was never going to be easy!
I forgot to add Kenny to the list! Plus Steklenburg, however you spell it!
349 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:11:04
Plenty of options to change formation, which is always a good thing!
We have Delph still, too!
350 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:21:38
Can he play in the Cup?
351 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:24:16
What I like about King is he has played most forward positions. So he should add to final third play. He can also take a chance attacks the near post and has pace. He should work well with James and offer competition to both Richalison and Calvert Kewin, who have both gone back on Ancelottis coaching. More so in the case of the former.
352 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:24:19
What I like about King is he has played most forward positions. So he should add to final third play. He can also take a chance attacks the near post and has pace. He should work well with James and offer competition to both Richalison and Calvert Kewin, who have both gone back on Ancelottis coaching. More so in the case of the former.
353 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:25:25
354 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:29:49
Yes, if he ever gets fit, he could actually contribute something in the right formation. It wasn't that long ago he was winning premier league titles and getting international caps!
355 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:29:59
356 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:31:58
I can't see any confirmation about King signing or signing for Fulham for that matter.
Yannick Bolasie - Middlesbrough, loan
Matthew Pennington - Shrewsbury, loan
Jarrad Branthwaite - Blackburn, loan
Ellis Simms - Blackpool, loan
Cenk Tosun - Besiktas, loan
Jonas Lossl - FC Midtjylland, undisclosed
Jonjoe Kenny - Celtic, loan
Beni Baningime - Derby, loan
Anthony Gordon - Preston, loan
Cenk Tosun - Besiktas, loan
357 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:33:02
358 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:34:54
Kevin Johnson the ex-heavyweight world-title contender. Now, he would have put Shelvey and his boot boys in place!
359 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:40:03
Unfortunately for him, CA, and us mere fans, the horror-squad was massive, on massive contracts. All the many scores of £millions spent in signing the horror-squad therefore stifle Marcel from right now signing what we all want - talented, young, enthusiastic, reliable players only.
Weeding out the dead-wood severely drops our squad numbers so, for now, we need to sign reliable, proven, talented players regardless of age.
Allan, Doucoure, James and King have all of these qualities. With Holgate, Godfrey, Branthwaite, Nkounkou, Davies, Gordon and whoever else youngster/s at the enigma that is Finch Farm already starting to show the qualities required by Marcel we might, right now, just be making a proper silk purse out of a few dozen or so pigs' ears.
360 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:44:03
361 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:46:00
And that is not even mentioning the Klassen, Williams, Schneiderlin fees, but 40 million for Sigurdsson etc!
Yes, it is a slow build, and getting the players that fit the young, hungry and talented template is not something that can be done without first getting in proven decent experienced players somewhere near their peak.
362 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:48:20
Definitely a bit thin, seeing as how 25 is really the ideal. Maybe a couple of the younger guys can round out the bench if need be, but I don't see them getting on the pitch anytime soon. If EVERYONE is healthy, it's a decent squad... but we don't have much room for error, especially in the attacking positions.
363 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:48:26
He is 6'2" strong and with pace - and he has got a heart. My guess is Carlo is going to go for brute force with a sprinkling of stardust to compliment it.
I think the line up we are going to see is:
Holgate, Keane, Mina, Godfrey
Doucoure, Allan, Gomes
Its a big team that with a lot of strength and pace.
I like Richy but if I was him I would take particular notice of this move - I think he is going to have to fight for his place in the starting 11.
364 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:52:36
365 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:07:18
366 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:27:05
King's talent and attitude are unquestioned, and he gives us a solid, professional backup for Richarlison and DCL that was desperately needed, but barring injury I really don't see him taking Richarlison's starting position.
367 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:30:02
368 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:36:10
Ritchie has been rubbish all season. Yes he gives us some defensive solidity but rather than kick on from last season hes actually gone backwards
Maybe King gives him some competition and he ups his game
Id actually like to see King play up top with DCL. That would give us some serious pace and power and stretch teams.
We need some variability in attack and the King signing gives us that
It might not be a Hollywood signing but it could easily be an astute one. Marcus Bent did a great job for us once and King may be able to have a similar impact. If he gets us 10 goals Ill be well pleased. 5 goals is probably a decent return
369 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:38:05
370 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:41:23
371 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:48:24
If King's shit he'll be gone at the end of the season so why not lighten up, Peter?! ;)
372 Posted 02/02/2021 at 01:52:18
He does have a knack for scoring late -- I distinctly remember him beating or tying the RS with a last-minute beauty a few years ago, and he beat us with a late pen more recently. Anyway, if he gives us a gamewinner or two in the league or Cup (does anybody know if he's eligible or Cup-tied?), I will consider this purchase a resounding success.
373 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:03:56
374 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:11:12
I should imagine that the fee that could rise to a potential £5m will only happen if he stays beyond the 6 months. He was valued at £20m by United and Spurs have also had bids turned down in the past. This is a low risk deal for an established player. I'm not sure why people are being negative. You don't make flag ship signings in January.
375 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:18:07
Bournemouth didnt really want to sell (could have in summer) and didnt really have to. With 2 clubs interested they werent going to let him go for nowt.
The player had multiple options; hang on until summer, join a club where he would feature but could easily be relegated again, or give himself 6 months to possibly impress enough to earn his final big contract before he really is past it.
Unless we are paying him absolutely ridiculous wages Id say the option to join us smacks of ambition.
Even if he just jolts Richie out of his apparent casualness then it will be worth it for me.
376 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:27:08
Considering all his PL appearances have been exclusively with Bournemouth, his numbers aren't bad at all, according to the linked article on the club site.
48 goals in 161 PL appearances. 17 in 51 internationals for Norway. He had a very hot streak in the 2016-17 season (when we had that great 6-3 game with them at Goodison), scoring 12 goals in 14 games.
This compilation of all his Bournemouth goals shows he is a very tidy finisher, given the chance. And even if a good number were penalties, they were damn fine penalties the keepers get nowhere near.
Be interesting to learn the full details of the deal, but again the club site is very explicit: 'a nominal fee until the end of 2020/21.'
Can only wish him well.
377 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:28:07
Like I said I like Richy but he is struggling at the moment.
378 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:32:29
I just think anybody expecting a bunch of goals from the guy is going to be very disappointed.
379 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:32:29
I just think anybody expecting a bunch of goals from the guy is going to be very disappointed.
380 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:32:48
381 Posted 02/02/2021 at 02:46:30
As Laurie states, I think it's the directness and aggression that we're missing and he might not be everyone's 1st choice, but as a utility attacking player he could do a job for us either in the short term or for a couple of seasons. The balls in his court on the duration of the contract, so good luck to him.
382 Posted 02/02/2021 at 03:11:11
Okay no cakes, not even the icing on one, but at least we got a Cherry!
I was not keen when I heard demands of £120K/week, now whether that was journospeak or not, another greedy mercenary is the last thing I wanted for Everton. Hopefully the fee and his subsequent wages are nowhere near the
rumours. I also hope if he turns out to be a hit, that we have an option on extending his contract. what is reported to be just till the end of the season.
The King deal is now concluded, Long live the King! Hopefully no Juan, Jo, Nosmo, Fuc, or Dic prefixes play a part in his appearances. To be replaced by Clic, Ston, and Stri we'll be alright!
383 Posted 02/02/2021 at 03:53:03
When he is eligible to play I would imagine is against Manure (ironically the Club he started at) not sure how late the registration went in but I doubt whether it would be before 19.30 (48 hours before being allowed to play) Monday Evening. Hopefully we will learn more details as the day unfolds today.
384 Posted 02/02/2021 at 03:59:00
So a thinner squad than you think?
385 Posted 02/02/2021 at 04:26:20
Obviously the odds of everyone being healthy at once are VERY slim - Delph is always hurt, James is obviously fragile, Allan has had his share of injury woes this season and who knows if Gbamin will actually be able to contribute - so yeah, we could be potentially playing with fire, depth-wise. Is there anyone in the U-23 side who could conceivably make a leap this season?
386 Posted 02/02/2021 at 04:45:04
387 Posted 02/02/2021 at 05:24:44
Im happy we have brought him in. If we had brought nobody in, we would have left ourselves underprepared for the second half of the season.
If we can get Allan back fit, our squad is looking ok. I still would have liked a striker to give DCL a breather. I guess Richarlison or King can have a go, if needed.
Kings output cant be any worse than what Tosun, Bernard, Sigurdsson, Walcott, Klaassen etc have produced for us. On that basis, this deal was a no brainer.
388 Posted 02/02/2021 at 05:32:32
389 Posted 02/02/2021 at 05:33:44
390 Posted 02/02/2021 at 05:46:47
391 Posted 02/02/2021 at 05:52:00
392 Posted 02/02/2021 at 05:58:22
393 Posted 02/02/2021 at 06:05:18
394 Posted 02/02/2021 at 06:51:38
A successful window on the whole bearing in mind nobody is splashing the cash.
Just one question: how come Besic is still with us? Not a bad player in my opinion either. Maybe he will make the 25 for the second half of the season?
395 Posted 02/02/2021 at 07:17:01
396 Posted 02/02/2021 at 07:24:24
6 months worth of option is good though and considering the availability in January its better than nothing.
Hes a blue now so 100% support from me - Id put him in instead of Richie first game hes available and see if he can do a job. It would hopefully give Richy a kick up the arse as well.
Whats happening with Bernard btw??
397 Posted 02/02/2021 at 07:41:05
398 Posted 02/02/2021 at 07:49:01
Not fussed whether Bernard stays or goes.
More interested in how Gordon and Branthwaite develop
Bit galling the RS managed to get Kabak on loan because he's an exceptional young talent. We'll have to wait until summer for a real step up.
399 Posted 02/02/2021 at 07:55:02
He can't play in the cup but he stil has 19 league games he can help us in. Usually the end of January signing wouldn't get that many games so thats a bonus.
400 Posted 02/02/2021 at 07:59:07
401 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:03:19
402 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:08:45
403 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:09:56
404 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:14:16
It is sensible business, the short term contract so we shall see..the ball is in his court, now let's see what he can do.
405 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:26:12
Seeing we're paying his salary we should at least have him in as a squad player. Aside from his role as a defensive midfielder, he's also played previously as a right fullback for Ferencvaros. With Kenny off, we are short at RB with only Coleman and Holgate for the remainder of the season.
Edit: Just noticed the squad has been updated with Besic given squad number 30. Common sense prevails.
406 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:33:07
Josh King is not to be underestimated, he is very fast, strong and can play right across the front.
The key here is that he will take the pressure off DCL when playing in the same team and cause more problems for the opposition. This player wont spend all his time on his arse like Richarlison.
The transfer fee is a snip considering what was being talked about just after the cherries had fallen from the tree. The fact its a six month deal with an option to buy firmly puts the ball in Kings court.
Providing he keeps fit it could be a fantastic bit of business for Everton, no Joshing !.
407 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:40:22
408 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:43:59
All's I hear about is his age. In this instance, I don't see his age being an issue at all. He's a good age and he turned 29 only 2 weeks ago. It's not an issue because he was signed on a 6-month contract for peanuts. If he does well, he gets it extended; if he doesn't, he leaves. There is zero risk to the club at all and – considering Spurs had a £25M bid knocked back 18 months ago and Man Utd had a £15M knocked back last season – that tells you how he is regarded.
Josh King kills two birds with one stone. We needed a wide player and we needed a striker, he's both. We needed pace and he's arguably our fastest player now. He's lightening and carries the ball. I think the club have played a blinder here and the onus is on him to earn his contract extension and pay rise.
Nothing better than having a hungry player who needs to secure his future. Look at Aubameyang before and after his Arsenal contract extension. Every time he's played us, he's destroyed us. We couldn't handle him. Especially last season. I don't judge him on this season, Bournemouth knocked back two huge bids from massive clubs and stalled his career, his heart wasn't in it for them anymore. Rightly or wrongly but that's just the facts of the matter.
A motivated Josh King is an asset and he has the attributes we sorely lack. If it doesn't work, it's thanks and goodbye in 6 months for hardly any outlay. Win-win. 👌🏻 UP THE TOFFEES
409 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:46:26
There's too much complacency within our squad so I think this signing can work for us in two ways:-
1) Richarlison recognises the threat to his pretty much guaranteed starting role and ups his game in response;
2) King gets an opportunity to get back in the spotlight for country and club, and we get to see the best of him.
Besides Sigurdsson, I find Richarlison the most frustrating member of our side. We are pretty woeful in attack – opposition managers have got our offensive strengths pretty well sussed and we get snuffed out easily – so I really hope that this signing might be a catalyst to relight our offensive fires.
Welcome to the Everton family, Josh.
410 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:48:14
411 Posted 02/02/2021 at 08:52:01
When Steve Walsh and Ronald Koeman signed several No 10s but let Romalu Lukaku go and didn't replace him with Olivier Giroud, I never understood why we weren't in for players like Josh King then. Even under a short-term plan, he would have helped. At the same time, Fernando Llorente left Swansea City to sit on the bench at White Hart Lane, he would have done too. Instead, we gave Oumar Niasse his locker back and, in the next window, signed Cenk Tosun.
It finally feels that Marcel Brands has got rid of all the deadwood, or at least by the Summer, they'll have gone. BIg Summer ahead. Signing a top class keeper has to be the priority now surely. We'll really kick on next season I think. COYB.
412 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:01:07
This is make-or-break time for Gbamin to start his career. Hopefully he'll be like a new signing, and give us the extra physicality in midfield, and give Allan and Doucouré a more offensive outlet.
As for Delph, I can't see anything changing. He is too injury prone, and he'll just see out his contract for the next 18 months.
413 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:01:59
Nine players moved out in the month – Brands has done well.
414 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:03:26
415 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:06:27
416 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:10:05
417 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:10:43
418 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:12:14
Josh King is a lot better than the likes of Niasse, Tosun, Bernard and Walcott, in my view. He'll add competition for places up front. He can play in various positions and has pace and strength. Let's give the lad a chance before we rubbish his credentials.
419 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:15:35
Further note on Bernard - he might still be on the move. The transfer window shuts a little later in Saudi Arabia. I think if he does stay hes almost a dead-cert to leave at the end of the season.
420 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:20:50
Unsie coaches them so some would say it is down to him.
421 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:21:49
Sounds like a hungry player
422 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:22:34
423 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:28:21
424 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:33:29
425 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:41:43
Looks like weve opened the door and let Besic back in, a mixture of the sublime (now and again) and the ridiculous( often) but at least he can run, move and tackle, Id prefer him rather than the walking dead Gomes and Sigurdsson for the rest of the season.
426 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:42:16
427 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:46:35
Moise Kean has raised his transfer value by playing in France. Bolasie and Tosun will be out of contract and won't be back. I assume the same goes for JJK.
The young lads are on a learn and return programme.
I can't understand Besic. He has talent. I'm sure some clubs must have wanted him. Is he even in this country at the moment?
But what matters now is that we start afresh this morning and move on.
Charlie and DCL have genuine competition and this could give them the sharpener they need to get back to early season form.
The others have the vote of confidence from the manager and have to get on with it.
428 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:49:49
429 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:52:15
I dont think the windows been a disaster by any means as weve off loaded most of our dead wood who will never to be seen again at Everton hopefully and some of the kids including Gordon out on loan and at good clubs.
430 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:52:44
431 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:55:02
432 Posted 02/02/2021 at 09:57:11
433 Posted 02/02/2021 at 10:08:58
434 Posted 02/02/2021 at 10:32:33
Age problem?: I think check back when he's 38 before he's as slow as Siggy in the false no.9 role and has the strength of Bernard. For the next 6 months, he'll be lightening in comparison to anyone else we've had when we've looked down the the bench and 1 nil down.
Hopefully James will be freed up as well with more time and space, as it will be hard to press James if King makes a run beyond the back line and the full back goes with him creating lots of space.
I'd love a club video to see who are the quickest players at the club now.
At Anfield, I'm hoping to see their new media Messiah Davies do a Slippy G and bow before the King as he flies past him on route to goal.
435 Posted 02/02/2021 at 10:38:47
Bought from Blackburn, Fred's late positional change from Fullback to Centre forward saw him become a deadly accurate with a super powerful shot.
By any measure Fred was as slow as a cart horse, not much good at heading and could not dribble but by golly he could fire shots in from any distance and unlike our modern pair of strikers it was near impossible Fred was was near impossible to be knocked off the ball.
436 Posted 02/02/2021 at 10:43:09
437 Posted 02/02/2021 at 10:51:24
Good window for us with lots of players away on loan to improve, play out their contract or put themselves in the shop window for next summer. Wish I knew what was going on with Besic though and the references to FFP issues worry me a bit.
438 Posted 02/02/2021 at 10:52:14
439 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:16:19
440 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:18:35
441 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:21:19
Also he is a player that will be chopping at the bit to start games, that is good news where Richarlison and Dominic are concerned. They will have to be on their toes because King will be breathing down their necks for a starting place.
The terms seem in our favour for a change, and it looks like we havent caved in. All good signs.
So a big welcome to Joshua, give us 100%, wear your heart on your sleeve bang in a few goals and us fans will love you. I am sure then a longer contract will follow.
442 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:21:59
443 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:22:27
Hopefully we get to keep him if he does well and, given his skill set, theres no reason why he shouldnt do well
Pleased with this one
444 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:30:17
We had the same discussion in the summer when James and Allan were signed - too old, performance declining, only here for a last pay day, their clubs were glad to get shot of them, transfer fee and salary excessive (James was quoted as costing 20 million plus when he was in fact a free transfer). They are the best players at the club in my opinion.
Good luck Josh, get some goals lad.
445 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:33:03
A good window? Come on now. It's a window that puts paid to our top 4 ambitions.
446 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:33:59
This team is miles off the top quality and we rely on grit and concentration. Without the low block spoiling tactics this season we would be in serious trouble.
Theres no was Calvert Lewin or James would be allowed their usual roles (the team are working for them) and we have lost home games to Newcastle, West Ham and Leeds. As well as others.
Without lack of panic and complicated tactics from Ancelotti we have managed to be top half with a team that we all know is miles off.
I can't believe the positions we have been in this season with only really Calvert Lewin to rely on for goals (again, something nobody really expected)
No we have 19 games to support what is going on and hopefully do better than landing in the hiderance that is the Europa league.
447 Posted 02/02/2021 at 11:46:03
If it was a confidence thing, which could well have been a factor, I think playing regularly for Preston, could go some way to boosting that, and he will return a better player for it. Carlo rates him, otherwise he wouldn't have been on the subs bench as often as he was.
448 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:03:34
The highlight of the window has to be the media trying to make the RS spending half a million on a guy from Preston into some sort of mega story.
449 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:03:42
450 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:05:56
The aim this season was to arrest the slide and, being ambitious, crack the top 6 with a squad that is valued between £500m and £150m less than the 6 richer clubs.
We're still hanging on in there for top 6. We were never in with a shout of top 4 this season.
Leicester have shown a shrewd strategy, luck and good management can help bridge the gap too - but you time if you're not going to spend money
451 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:16:49
Potentially a very, very good player.
Hes not ready for the prem yet.
Hopefully the loan brings him on
452 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:20:01
453 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:29:43
A good window again. King might give Richarlison a kick up the arse, he's been total shite for months unless you count defending which he's decent at.
454 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:30:52
455 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:41:05
456 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:41:09
With a management team costing c£20M a year, the owner does right to expect more bang for his bucks and top six/seven is the least Ancelotti should deliver this term. Get real.
457 Posted 02/02/2021 at 12:58:56
Iwobi is definitely a Marmite player, I wasn't overly upset when we first got him until I learned how much we allegedly paid for him, then after a couple of poor games he showed flashes of what we all thought he could do once he settled in. Alas, the last couple of outings have been totally abject, and he has reverted back to detritus mode.
Maybe as with a few others, the arrival of Josh King may just be the catalyst to spark a reaction.
458 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:06:43
Let us rejoice
459 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:08:03
460 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:17:43
In the period since Moshiri took over, richer clubs must have invested similar sums (or more) in squads that were already much better than ours.
Paying Ancelotti £20m does not change that. We could get Guardiola in and pay him £30m. It still wouldn't change the fact our players aren't good enough.
Leicester buck the trend a bit because they're so savvy (and a bit lucky) in how they do things.
461 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:18:42
Got yer gloves ready, should the club give you a call in the next 24 hours..?
462 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:21:36
463 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:32:11
464 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:33:16
Maybe, just maybe we could even score a RS goal- a 45 yard pass (hoof?) into the channels for any of the rapid front 3 to run onto, because 29 or not he's got pace to burn. I'm quite happy with the signing
465 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:33:43
James to play a free role a little deeper with Allan and Doucoure to protect and support him winning the ball back.
A solid back 4, or 3 with Digne attacking when space allows. Godfrey to play as his pace at the back is priceless. Olsen to be a steady eddy at the back.
466 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:44:49
Surely if King simply goes through the motions and doesn't impress for Everton he won't be in much of a position to go out and do a deal with anyone in the summer?
467 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:47:42
468 Posted 02/02/2021 at 13:49:43
469 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:01:53
Not sure they would ever have done much in the 1st team but we are still shedding forward players at an alarming rate.
470 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:17:44
As far as I can see, Everton have the option of another year if Ancelotti says yes.
It's hardly the deal of the of the century for him is it, so unless there is something written into this deal I don't think he's going to risk injury on such a short deal.
It's strange when you think about it, he's free to leave and find another club no matter what, and the cynic in me says this will all be about the money for King - it's the last chance for a decent pay day.
Rumour has it he just wasn't happy at Bournemouth after his buddy got his move to Newcastle and no-one came in for him.
Who knows, he's an Everton player now so I hope he does well for us, but it is a strange one is it not?
471 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:24:15
Keane not getting a game after a good start.
Tosun back to Turkey.
Walcott getting ripped by Saints fans
Hardly pulling the trees up.
Niasse? No idea where he is.
The point is, we have got players off the books who would not start a game for us.
Slowly but surely Ancelotti is developing the squad into what will be HIS squad.
We can judge him when he has his own team.
If, IF it goes wrong then I will be first to give him stick
472 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:40:59
473 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:41:11
Lets get him on the field and see how he performs,, give him a chance, I wouldnt be surprised if he looks a lot fitter than most of our players, nearly every teams players do. I hope the players have a proper go tomorrow and make Josh fight for his place, that will be another plus without him kicking a ball for us.
474 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:42:55
Discussion of the Leicester achievements intrigues me as they certainly haven't spent a fraction of our figure and on paper look very ordinary. What's odd is that Everton even tried poaching their recruitment specialist and he was hopeless !
475 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:42:56
His pace will get him into good positions in the box - and for Bournemouth he has always shown good composure in his finishing. Looking forward to see what he can bring. Good luck Josh!
476 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:49:52
I haven't seen any detailed reports as to the specifics of the deal but surely Everton have included something to the effect that we can automatically extend the deal if we're happy with King come the end of the season? It can't be that he's fantastic for us for half a season and then thanks Everton for the opportunity and signs permanently for someone else?
Yours very naively (?)
477 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:50:12
Did we really need this guy? Not my money, but why spend it?
Hope he does well and contributes.
478 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:52:37
Best of luck to the lad.
479 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:57:56
480 Posted 02/02/2021 at 14:59:54
Gives him a couple of days to settle in.
481 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:01:43
We need an option on the right, similar to Richarlison, who can cover ground, beat a man, and cross or shoot.
We need cover for Richarlison himself on the left and we need cover for Calvert-Lewin in 9.
King provides all these things, in one package, for one wage.
He is big, quick and productive. The players we had in Bernard, Gordon and Tosun are none of those things and two of them are off the wage bill and Bernard would have been too if wed had it our way.
The Premier League has moved on. You need 9-10 athletes on the field and King fits the bill as Mr. Brands and the management team continue to unpick the mistakes of the past.
Window by window, player by player progress.
482 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:05:40
Then I think we could see the forward line be the priority in the summer with better quality competition coming in. I doubt that we'll see any sort of marquee signing though.
483 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:23:58
It is being reported that Everton are paying Bournemouth a loan fee, there were reports yesterday mentioning a figure of £5 million, but I havent seen that confirmed anywhere. There is also no mention of what Everton are paying King, but the deal is for 6 months and there is an option for the deal to be made permanent, but I think he may be out of contract with Bournemouth at the end of this season. But if we wanted him to stay I am sure both parties would come to an amicable arrangement.
Being in the last 6 months of his contract he is allowed to reach a pre contract agreement with a club abroad during that time. Now if he starts like a house on fire and has interest from clubs abroad, that would place us in having to maybe agree a permanent deal ong before the loan spell is up, or lose him to a foreign club.
484 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:25:54
the reports I have seen are that this is a permanent six month deal with the option to extend if things go well.
485 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:29:56
Totally agree its permanent till the end of the season and yes if things go well then we can extend. But that still doesnt stop him agreeing a pre contract deal to sign for a club abroad long before this deal ends.
486 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:41:26
6 month deal is ideal. If he's good, then we can agree an extension. If he doesn't do more than merely plug a hole, then he can negotiate a move to a new club and we're not lumbered with a player we don't want.
If we had a 6 month try before you buy for 70% of our signings in the Moshiri era, we wouldn't be in the shit we are today,
487 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:42:22
488 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:44:31
"He was incredibly quick, direct and he scored goals. There was one match at Villa Park where he took the place by storm and such were his performances it would have been impossible not to have signed him permanently.
Unfortunately once he landed a full-time contract his form dipped. It was as if that motivation which had been there was now missing."
489 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:50:18
Let us rejoice.
Exactly how does this signing of King fall into the category of an Everton - Man Utd retirement home scenario? Josh king never played a senior game for man Utd. He joined United in 2009 and left in 2013. In between he had various loans at other clubs, before settling at Bournemouth in 2015, but as I say never played a senior game for man Utd. FFS, I bet I've been to old Trafford more than he has!!
So from now on, every time we are linked to, or even buy a player from man Utd, we can expect it to be a "Comfortable Retirement Home" move. Jeez!!!
490 Posted 02/02/2021 at 15:52:56
According to various reports Fulham were offering him 2 year deal with an option of another year.
He was on around £30 grand at Bournemouth, so Fulham might have offered him 10 grand more over 2 years.
So that makes me think we offered more money for 6 months with us with the possibility of another year or free to negotiate with another club.
Whatever, I just hope he loves the place and wants to show what he can do even for 6 months !!
491 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:04:13
Ancelottis pulling power strikes again.
492 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:04:48
493 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:07:20
Richarlison is not playing well of late. Whether King is available or not, I would still drop Richarlison for the Leeds game. I'm basing my selections on players who will give their all. As such, my starting eleven in a 4-2-3-1 formation would be,
Coleman, Keane, Mina, Godfrey,
Davies, Rodriguez, Digne.
At the very least, this team will battle for 3 points.
494 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:14:43
Haha I wondered but that said, Carlo seems pretty honest so it's probably a genuine knock (from a source other than Carlo)
495 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:28:09
496 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:37:50
Rob #489, well said.
Drew #481, you're right about King's overall value, but to describe a player as "productive" who averages 7 goals per Prem season from open play is a considerable stretch. Not counting penalties, King scores a goal every 336 minutes and slips in an assist every 800 minutes (per Transfermarkt).
Mike #422, I fail to find any humor at all in the restoration of Besic to the active roster. The only "long game" I would have like to see us play with him would have been a slow boat to China.
497 Posted 02/02/2021 at 16:38:27
498 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:08:21
I do not look for any other results, support no other team, have a second team - - Everton Everton Everton Everton AND EVERTONIANS.
We can moan at each other and between each other but we are Blue's and by that we are Brothers.
499 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:13:39
Alternatively like Fred Pickering. A hat-trick on his debut. It was not long before the crowd were baying "Aha, Fred's dead" as I recall. I agree to let's wait and see with King.
500 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:20:10
501 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:23:08
He seems the right character, determined and physically strong and fast. 53 goals in 148 appearances for Bournemouth isnt a bad return. A good days work to sign him, I think.
502 Posted 02/02/2021 at 17:23:54
503 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:07:48
504 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:20:09
505 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:31:37
506 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:32:54
507 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:35:36
I was puzzled why we didn't have a look at his former team mate Wilson before Newcastle signed him.
508 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:41:27
509 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:41:28
I remember both matches, especially the Roy Vernon debut. Another inauspicious debut was Dennis Stevens, who missed an absolute sitter and cost us a victory. He was already facing an uphill task, replacing Bobby Collins, but he won us over in the end.
510 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:46:32
511 Posted 02/02/2021 at 18:55:02
His career seems to be summed up by two tackles. On Toure for us and on Bale in an international match.
512 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:05:52
513 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:11:23
514 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:20:47
I recall when Sheedy was coming towards the end of his career with us and I took my son, Andy to that match, when he was about 10. Might have been a Friday.
The pitch was its usual puddingy consistency, and next to us were a couple of keen Blues, one of whom visibly tensed when Kevin misplaced a pass. He did the same again a few minutes later, whereupon the vilest torrent of foul mouthed abuse was unleashed, at great length and with eloquent creativity.
He took a breath, looked at me, being wrapt in admiration, and Andy. He was apologetic to me at swearing in front of a young lad. I pooh poohed it off. He said again he was sorry, but qualified it by adding but I fucking hate the twat!
It took the shine off his apology if Im honest.
I dont recall Besics performance though.
515 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:40:06
No I don't think its fake news. I think its just a couple of desperado`s twisting the story.
He was asked about Carlo and said nice stuff (I`m yet to hear a player call the manager he has just signed for a wanker) He then goes on to say BUT (see that word ?) BUT Everton is a big big club, that I hoped would be in.
He simply did what all of the signing we have made in the last year have done, opted for the biggest club to come in for him.
The desperation does amuse me "Carlos pulling power"hahaha. The guy has been relegated and his career was going nowhere,
I welcome the lad to the club. I must admit he has gone under my radar except for what I have seen on match of the day. I dont know enough about him to be for or against his signing, but I'm hopeful that he can become a very positive addition to the squad. A goal at Anfield would be a nice way t introduce himself
516 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:43:55
"No I don't think its fake news. I think its just a couple of desperados twisting the story."
It was a link from a newspaper article that Jay posted.
Who is the sycophant?
Or the reporter?
517 Posted 02/02/2021 at 19:56:45
Going back when Aston Villa got relegated they had Grealish, and Norwich had Maddison when in the Championship. I wouldn't say either were poor players and have gone on to prove they are Premiership Class.
518 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:05:15
I don't think King is better than what we have and I wasn't particularly excited about the signing. But as someone pointed out to me, the club may just have shown it is finally being sensible. Possible decent backup up front that we all know we need, but on a 6 month contract. So we have much needed support for Dominic and the player is incentifised to prove his worth for a longer term contract.
This will be perceived as good business if the player does well for the remainder of the season. As opposed to previous January headlines like Tosun and Niasse coming in for big bucks on big wages and 3 to 5 year contracts, flopping massively but then being stuck with them.
It was a tame transfer window all around so I don't think this has anything to do with pulling power. We will maybe (maybe) see that in the summer when most main business is done.
We also done well to ship out quite a few on loan. I hope that experience does some of those young players with potential good for their future careers.
PS: back up for DCL or do we see King playing right of a King, James, Richarluson 3 behind DCL and in front of Doucoure / Allan?
519 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:06:11
520 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:07:42
Big of you not to deny he was relegated.
I don't know what words you see when you read my post, but nowhere to I suggest he was even partially to blame for Bournemouth's relegation.
Nor do I even hint that his signing was a bad one. Godfrey and Doucoure had been relegated too.
What I do say is he had been relegated and his career was going nowhere at bournemouth. Are you saying that isn't true ?????
This rabid defence of accusations that havent even been raised is getting out of hand.
I state quite clearly that I don't know enough about the players to comment either way...so what is your beef ?
Its getting so you cant breath on this site, within minutes of every post the Brady bunch are on it...doesnt matter how many times you blank them
521 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:08:27
522 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:08:30
523 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:09:23
Maybe you didnt see him play under Koeman? Or silva? Ancelotti has turned him into an England regular who has 15 goals already this season.
Jesus. Embarrassing knowledge and a statement completely destroyed simply by having seen the last 3/4 years of dom playing in the blue shirt.
524 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:10:21
525 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:17:10
Theres now four of them arguing against a point that was never made.
526 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:17:27
All one paragraph. The paragraph is meant to argue against the idea of Carlo's pulling power. As a way of supporting that argument, the finger is pointed at King who "has been relegated" and "whose career was going nowhere". All in one paragraph so clearly all related.
If the reference to King was not to support an argument about Carlo's pulling power by referring to a relegated player, what was the point of it???
527 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:17:40
528 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:21:50
When someone is on a downer at a club, and has the chance to join either Fulham or Everton, I don't think the manager at Everton is gonna matter so much.
529 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:23:40
So he aint seen much of him but uses him as part of an argument against Carlo's pulling power!!!
Oh the irony.
530 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:25:02
531 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:25:42
Hope he does well for us as I'm sure we all do. Just think the club has been more sensible about this one thN previous January signings.
532 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:25:56
533 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:32:18
534 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:32:24
535 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:33:51
Gordon will hopefully come back from his loan spell a better player but anyone who thinks hes premier league ready yet, sees something in him I dont. Cenk has been an unmitigated disaster and is a stark reminder to Moshiri not to sanction crazy transfer fees to bring in players in January.
King can provide competition for both and hopefully give Richarlison the kick up the arse be needs. It doesnt really matter if hes only scored one goal every 5,000 minutes or one assist every 10,000 games. (I have never got that one. How many “assists before the assist” does James have?)
The point is, hes a better option than what we have let go, for the next five months. If it doesnt work out, then no big deal, we wont have him on our books after June. If he does work out, weve an option of signing him.
Either way, we are surely in a better shape regarding wages than we were a month ago, some of the deadwood is all but gone and we have an apparently hungry, motivated player looking to earn a move to the PL. I see no downside to this.
536 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:34:58
Hope the lad does well with us!
537 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:34:59
538 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:35:03
I can give you 10 20 30 40 good players who have been relegated. But when they are still at the club six months later their carreers are dfinitely going nowhere..
While we are at it. I could give you six examples of signings Carlo has made who didnt have a bigger or better option than Joining Everton.
Championship player joins Everton and its "due to the managers pulling power"
Its laugh out loud funny and gives a graphic illustration as to how some people have become so besotted with the manager they have forgotten who EVERTON are
539 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:40:36
And yet he's trying to use him to make a point. Don't know enough about him but...!!!!
And now "when they are still at the club six months later their carreers are dfinitely going nowhere.." - that hole gets even deeper.
541 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:41:33
King was also wanted by 2 other premier league clubs yesterday. Hardly a career going nowhere!
542 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:42:16
Who in the thread (apart from the source I'm quoting) has stated that?
543 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:43:19
544 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:45:19
545 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:45:26
546 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:53:22
“ I can give you 10 20 30 40 good players who have been relegated. But when they are still at the club six months later their carreers are dfinitely going nowhere.”
Jack Grealish wants a word.
547 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:53:50
548 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:56:42
549 Posted 02/02/2021 at 20:56:42
You jumped straight into his net.
550 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:01:17
551 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:01:56
552 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:02:37
He was joking...thats why he has come back furiously arguing his case.
I suppose Jay was joking too when he distorted the header on his linkm because nowhere does the player say those words..
You're such cards you lot teasing me like this
I'm off to work. Night all
553 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:08:21
554 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:18:31
The full headline of the linked article is this:
King reveals he ‘could not say no to Everton move – Excited to join ‘big, big club and to play under Ancelotti
I shortened it to:
'I couldn't say no to Everton to play under Ancelotti'
And you call that a distortion?
I linked to the article. Nothing more.
As for your claim that the player 'doesn't say the words', this is his very first sentence in Josh's actual quotes within the article:
'Its about the size of the club, the coach and the signals I got.'
Pretty much matches THEIR headline (and my shortened one) in my eyes.
Josh is further quoted as saying:
'Ancelotti is one of the worlds biggest names in football and hes a great manager. I think I can grow under him. That was part of the factor, but Everton is a big, big club that I had hoped to be in before I ended up there.'
Phtt! Blatant distortion that, eh?
555 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:21:21
556 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:21:29
557 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:23:51
We need Olsen to carry on being safe and steady. Then look at it seriously in the summer before it's too late and some emotional dude offers him a 5-year contract!
558 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:27:41
559 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:28:44
Probably soothed by my Randy Rainbow Greatest Hits Compilation.
560 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:31:01
561 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:31:48
I shortened it to:
2. 'I couldn't say no to Everton to play under Ancelotti'
Perhaps your attempt at brevity and practicality implied that Ancelotti was the prime driver.
The headline and the quoted first sentence from King both cite the big status of the club first. He further summarizes Ancelotti as "...part of the factor" BUT Everton is a big, big club.
If I read this cold as an outsider, I'd chance my arm that the primary driver of the move was the big club status of Everton.
562 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:32:52
Debut goal tomorrow.
563 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:33:56
564 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:41:52
It very well could be that this fella is the answer for Everton - can play multiple positions and plug holes all within one pay packet.
Here's the thing for me. King isn't a household name. But Brass sees him obviously as an upgrade to previous players who have now left.
So let's get behind this guy and hope he comes in, is motivated, and does one hell of a good job for us.
Despite the New Castle poo-fest, we're not far off. Win 2-3 in a row and we'll be looking at a really promising season. If King can help us get there, great.
I'm not even close to writing off the season. We're 6 points off 4th with two games in-hand. Keep the faith until the Fat Lady sings. Josh King could be a spark plug and a revelation. We just don't know yet.
Cling to hope. Why not? What else you gonna do, and why else would you ever invest your time and emotions in a game where grown men kick a ball around a field of grass? We can finish well, and we can do something Everton haven't done in a long, long time. Let the season play out and let's see where we end up.
565 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:48:28
566 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:50:28
Darren honestly thinks we would have got James and Allan interested in Everton without Ancelotti? Interesting.
Incidently, I think King would have signed for us if Moyes was our manager but the words I read from him still made sense regarding Ancelotti.
567 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:53:39
The Partridge Family?
I'll jump into the Partridge Family ranks, just for shits and giggles.
We signed a guy from the Championship, not Real Madrid.
We signed a guy who clearly MAY not be the answer, otherwise we'd have locked his ass down for 3 years minimum.
We signed a guy who won't sell a hell of a lot of jerseys.
We signed a guy who clearly stated he wanted to join a Big Club.
But, does any of that really matter?
Dude is going to wear the jersey. Dude can possibly help us. Let's hope Dude kills it and plays lights out.
-Partridge Family Representative.
**not a paid endorsement. Actual results may vary, consult your physician.
568 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:57:35
569 Posted 02/02/2021 at 21:58:25
I don't confess to understand the contractual nuances so be good to understand if he actually is now you call it out.
570 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:01:30
I like your style.
571 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:05:30
"he could be joined by new signing Joshua King, if he provides a negative coronavirus test."
Great, so now we're hoping for more negativity.
572 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:06:05
Now who was participating in this "battle"? Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs? No. It was Fulham. If this guy was any good, don't you think one of the big clubs would be sniffing round?
What a fiasco these transfer windows have become. A complete circus. Feeding off scraps.
This season is a dead rubber, so why not keep our young players and try them out? Are there any statistics that show that loaning out players will make them any better? Isn't it possible they'll be brought down to the level of the division they´re playing in?
Kieran Dowell comes to mind. He's been at 5 loan clubs. He's not going to make it. Does anyone have the stats on how many loaned out players that have returned to the club, are in the squad now?
573 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:12:05
574 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:17:57
I said it earlier, all fit, I quite like the feel of Doucoure and Allan with Richarlison, James & King in front of them with DCL up top.
575 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:20:01
Are we saying there were no players in that 54 who couldn't play in the Premier League again, or is it Everton who chose the wrong one?
576 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:20:53
Im right and every single poster who disagrees with me is one of the following. . . .
Now, I understand you are reluctant to answer a straight question.
Ahh its not worth it.
He never, ever answers a legitimate point.
Keep on keeping on Darren.
This site would miss you if you ever followed up on your numerous threats to leave.
577 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:22:19
578 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:24:23
I dont remember any of those players choosing us over the RS, Man City or Chelsea etc.
There are good players at unfashionable clubs. Rather than look at who they play for we should be looking at what they can offer and whether theyll give their all in an Everton shirt. If they do, then thatll do me at least until we can afford the likes of Neymar and Mbappe.
579 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:25:26
580 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:26:15
Dame Nelly Melba - how many times did she announce her retirement.
We have our own Dame Nelly.
581 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:28:05
It's a good point, Tom - and one not yet discussed much. Are we to play with two forwards now, and if so, how. Will King be covering/replacing DCL at times, so we stay with one forward? There goes the aerial threat (a large part of what we have right now).
I've only ever seen King play as a mostly standard centre forward really. Be interesting to see how it will all play out. Will he be simply a like-for-like Tosun sub.
582 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:28:28
Carlo, any explanation for Saturday's capitulation?
583 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:31:53
584 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:36:41
Dame Edna Everage was my first thought after reading your post mate.
585 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:39:04
Just seen the Man U Southampton result. 9-0!
Reminds me of the game when we beat Southampton 8-3, in the early 1960's, and my idol at that time was Roy Vernon - The Welsh Wizard, got a hat-trick.
It was the first time I jumped onto the pitch after the match. The stewards were fine, as there were thousands of others as well as me. Also, I was very little.
Great times. Great memories.
I hope those great times come back before I die.
586 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:39:04
Is that still valid or was only during their 5 game run of form?
Newcastle losing at palace also.means nothing.
Sean, I don't think anyone has excused our capitulation against Newcastle, especially Ancelotti. From what I've seen he called the players lazy and complacent and some think they are better than they are. What else do you want him to say?
587 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:39:11
588 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:42:14
I'm still struck on Dame Nellie - "is she still here"?
589 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:49:38
"he calls them lazy and complacent"
He's the fucking manager!
Is he going to accept that?
No time for him,
590 Posted 02/02/2021 at 22:52:45
I used to say that about Peter Beardsley Tony when the poor bloke played in a very average Everton team. It wasn't that he played a poor pass. He was playing into space; good players find space right. It was that no-one had the awarenesses, anticipation or pace to read it and get on the end of it.
591 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:10:20
592 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:13:11
593 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:21:17
You really think publicly calling out his players for.being lazy and complacent in their defeat is 'accepting' it?
594 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:27:13
No doubt procedures have been revised and "Developed" since then...
(Nothing to do with big clubs).
595 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:28:05
Don't like to spoil a good story with insignificant details but.
596 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:37:47
597 Posted 02/02/2021 at 23:44:44
You'd imagine (Hope) that in such a case, his deal with us ends right then. I'll have to look into that...
598 Posted 03/02/2021 at 00:04:39
599 Posted 02/02/2021 at 00:07:44
600 Posted 03/02/2021 at 01:28:45
I would consider more to productivity than just goals or assists but maybe I should have qualified the statement better.
King is involved more. He can receive the ball in deep areas and run with it. He can beat a man. He has vision for movement around him and an eye for a quick pass in the box. He is ingenuitive. And he can finish from the floor, with either foot or in the air. Hes a much more complete forward than what we had.
Thats what I mean by more productive. He can be involved in more phases of play and contribute in more areas of the pitch.
With all that said, I am remembering the Josh King who played in the Premier League and havent seen much of this years performances so am hoping he is still in prime condition.
601 Posted 03/02/2021 at 01:28:50
I'm 68 next month, I've got memories of Goodison from about 1960. I don't recall an 8-3 victory over Southampton with a Vernon hat trick in the 60's. However I vividly remember remember an 8-0 win over them in the early 70's. It snowed hard that day, Alan Ball orchestrated the victory (if I remember correctly he got on the scoresheet) and big Joe Royle scored four goals. Jimmy Gabriel played for them that day.
I don't wish to contradict you, but wonder are you perhaps getting mixed up, as I'm surprised with myself that I can't remember the game you mentioned. Vernon was one of my favourite players also, when I was a kid.
602 Posted 03/02/2021 at 01:46:11
I've always envied the ability of guys like Brent and Kevin P. to just let a hook drift out and see who they could catch. So I decided to try it myself... with one little sentence at #496. Figured nobody would notice.
And 100 posts later... wow.
I gotta do that again sometime.
603 Posted 03/02/2021 at 01:56:34
And Jamiela, this one's for you, from Michaela:
604 Posted 03/02/2021 at 02:12:56
Only just noticed your post. I'm wracking my brain to remember the Cardiff 8-3 game you mentioned. Mind you, I was only about 8 years old then.
I have letters that my big brother kept from around that time. He was 11 years older than me, working away laying tarmacadam for the Trinidad Lake asphalt company doing all the roads in remote areas of North Wales and all over the North West. I must root them out, as I always gave my brother results and match reports each week. I'm certain I would have reported such a memorable game as that. It was heartwarming for me to receive those letters he had kept for all those years, from his wife after he passed away a couple of years back. His digs were 'out in the wilds', probably without TV or radio reception and certainly no telephone access. So this 'Cub reporter from Kirkdale' kept him up to date about 'The Blues', Royal Mail permitting.
605 Posted 03/02/2021 at 04:26:21
606 Posted 03/02/2021 at 05:16:18
"Yeahbutnobutyeahbutno, your honor, I simply distorted what the journo said... and if the player didn't actually say those words, it's the journo's fault... I'm only the messenger."
Judge: "But Mr Wood. You have previous for this sort of thing; you often trawl fanboy magazines and recycle the misinformation you glean from them. When questioned about the manager he was signing for, the player gave him his dues for past triumphs and said "I think I can grow under him." He then went on to give his real reasons for joining... "but Everton is a big big club that I hope I would be in." Nowhere did he say he couldn't say no to playing under Ancelotti." But then you know that, don't you?"
Jay: "I only "shortened" the story, your honor... Honest!"
Judge: "Mr Woods, I don't see you as being a danger to the public. Nobody ever died as a result of reading this harmless drivel and there is very clearly an audience for it. The rabid defence of it is testimony to that... You are free to go and peddle/distort this shite to your heart's content."
I'm about to succumb to the temptation of a warm bed. Now that is really pulling power.
Big Game tonight. Let's hope the newbie hits the ground running. He said he wants to play for a big club. This is his chance.
607 Posted 03/02/2021 at 06:35:35
Darren, no newbie tonight. Not yet eligible for the roster.
608 Posted 03/02/2021 at 07:47:41
We desperately need more Judges like yours.
609 Posted 03/02/2021 at 08:41:31
610 Posted 03/02/2021 at 11:52:16
611 Posted 03/02/2021 at 12:18:46
I couldn't find any more detailed info on the deal, but if another club in the Prem. was to make arrangement with the/our player mid-contract, that would surely be a conflict of interest, and not legal, ordinarily.
In the event the deal is structured that way, then should he make such arrangement with another club, it would then have to be all over from our (Everton's) perspective, as far as further playing/paying. As you say, we'd then see essentially see nothing from him.
I can't see this being the case.
612 Posted 03/02/2021 at 12:19:48
How a simple link in post 487 to Josh King's first words after joining Everton has provoked a string of 'humphing' posts at 515, 520, 525, 538, 552 and the latest beaut at 606.
But the penny has finally dropped with me. It's because the author of those posts seemingly believes my harmless link @ 487 was a conscious and deliberate attempt to ridicule and provoke him.
What vanity. What an inflated (and fragile) ego. Making it all about HIM.
It wreaks of someone who thinks and posts with a certain mindset assuming that everyone else thinks and posts in the same vein. Thankfully, that is far from the case.
So once again we are treated to the tired and trite cliches Jim Jennings recently parodied from the Hind Greatest Shits Collection, culminating in a High Lord Executioner's judiciary fabrication.
Bizarre. Warped. False. Again.
You were born out of time, Darren. You (and Barry Rathbone) would have sat well on the bench of the Star Chamber or during medieval witch hunts.
You're beginning to sound like a battered squeaking door in an abandoned building.
613 Posted 03/02/2021 at 12:32:07
From dogging the King signing because the likes of Manchester City didn't want him (no doubt you were on here asking why we'd sign a relegated loser like Idrissa Gueye or a Barcelona reject like Lucas Digne), likening the transfer window to a fiasco (yes - shifting dead wood, sending young players who need game time out on loan and signing a versatile backup forward to a team-friendly deal. However will we recover?) and, best of all, declaring the season a "dead rubber" (I'm surprised you didn't say we're in a relegation battle while you were at it) - it's like the ToffeeWeb equivalent of a Rembrandt.
614 Posted 03/02/2021 at 12:41:25
Where did you read that the extension needs Kings approval?
615 Posted 03/02/2021 at 12:42:46
He can't accept the idea that anyone would join Everton because Ancelotti was the manager, and therefore he must twist and squirm and write his usual string of nonsense to justify his mistaken conviction.
He did just the same about James Rodriguez but I'm sure most people would say, if asked, that of course he joined Everton because of Ancelotti. As indeed the player did himself.
616 Posted 03/02/2021 at 12:59:05
617 Posted 03/02/2021 at 13:49:56
I hope those contract details that Carlo says he doesn't know, are properly structured!
Anyway - let's see how the guy performs. He's apparently comfortable out wide either side, anywhere across the front, though I've never seen him play that way, in the little I have seen of him. Maybe this will wake Richarlison up.
618 Posted 03/02/2021 at 15:04:29
619 Posted 03/02/2021 at 15:04:54
620 Posted 03/02/2021 at 15:38:31
621 Posted 03/02/2021 at 15:46:48
Does anyone thinks James would be playing for Everton if Ancelotti was not our manager?
622 Posted 03/02/2021 at 16:34:34
Can see where you're coming from but I think/hope that's the journo taking Carlo too literally. I hope that when Carlo says it's down to the player he means that if King plays well enough Everton can at our discretion trigger an extension. As Will #617 points out Carlo also admits that he doesn't actually know the finer details of the deal. I'm hoping Everton have got this right.
623 Posted 03/02/2021 at 16:38:48
"Judge: "Mr Woods, I don't see you as being a danger to the public."
624 Posted 03/02/2021 at 17:30:41
625 Posted 03/02/2021 at 17:36:10
At last. Michael. A post that didnt try to misrepresent me.
As for the twisting and squirming. Not I.
You see, You don't need to try to wriggle out when you stick to the players direct quotes. You can leave those trying to pull the wool to do the twisting and squirming.
I did not respond to Jay Wood until he put it to me (in his best Rumpole of The Bailey) voice "Who on this thread has said it"
The response from Jay and the posse when I gave him the answer was worth the entrance fee alone.
"It was a wind up...E wuz Onee messsen"
Anyway, as I say Michael is bang on the money when he says. I cant wont/accept anyone would join Everton because of Ancelotti...For me it will only ever be the other way round
Got no more to say on the matter
626 Posted 03/02/2021 at 17:43:31
HOWEVER... he has tremendous pace and aggression, which we lack. He's an experienced professional with universal respect in the league, and he can step right in where we are desperately short of cover. And he's risk-free, costing us next to nothing.
If Carlo and his coaching staff thought one of the kids was ready for prime time, they'd have gotten the chance, but nobody was ready. Not one of the TWers who have regularly seen Simms or Broadhead play considers them ready for the first team.
This was a good move. Not a game-changer, but a good move.
627 Posted 03/02/2021 at 17:49:14
628 Posted 03/02/2021 at 17:55:19
Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for an argument. I'm not saying Josh is a bad player, just that he's not a goalscorer, which I thought we were looking for.
I hope he proves me wrong and bangs them in! I really do.
629 Posted 03/02/2021 at 18:35:43
There you go folks, Ive responded, you dimwits have been defeated.
Captain Blowhard strikes again
630 Posted 05/02/2021 at 11:02:23
The Bosman ruling was brought in to try and give the players a bit more control, but nowadays it seems to have swung massively in the players favour. It looks a bit like the Barkley transfer to Chelsea both clubs agreed a fee and all of a sudden while having a medical Barkley decides the move isn't right for him at that time because in his words he wasnt fit enough. But if he thought Chelsea would look elsewhere if he didnt sign would he have still pulled out. Or maybe his agent got assurances from Chelsea that if he didnt sign they would come back in the summer were most probably Everton would have to reduce their asking price, which is exactly what happened.
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