Everton move on from Aarons

I'm glad that hopefully Everton are scoping various players for RB, and not going straight in on Aaron's.

This summer will fly over and Marcel and his team will it seems, have their work cut out to fill this requirement amongst several other positions in the squad.

This might end up like when wanted Tierney as Baines replacement but bulked at the price. If the cheaper alternative to Aarons ends up anywhere near as good Digne was at LB then we'll have a great signing. My choice would be Ridle Baku.

There will be a net spend that Brands will have to work to and 30 million for a right back probably doesn't fit into the plan.
The major investment will be on the right winger/forward and an attacking midfielder. The team needs goals.

If they are turning their back on signing Aarons it tells me that Brands has got a few irons in the fire that he rates as highly but will cost less.

Moise Kean will be sold to help funding and I think there will be one or two more regulars sold. Richarlison? He alluded last year to giving it one more year, he may want the move if one of the big continental clubs comes in. Mina too may want to move on and we may accept to get a quicker, quality CB in. If these nuclear options come to pass we will be looking at a very different Everton for 21/22.

Brands also needs to move on Bernard and Delph who are massive earners but contribute very little. Gomes and Iwobi are on long contracts so they may be more difficult. Sigurdsson contributes more than those four and I'd keep him in the squad, unless we get a decent fee.

It's going to be a big summer for us, the Rumour Mill will be working overtime.

Yet we were quite happy to blow £30m on a complete waste of space like Iwobi, or countless millions on garbage like Tosun, Walcott and Bolasie? What a joke of a club. We'll opt for the cheapest (5th choice) option and spend another decade trying to sort our right side out.

If Brands doesn't deliver this summer, and not a few TDD panic buys then he needs to go.

olin you reflect my view entirely.

We baulk at 60m plus players and then wonder why we cant make the top 4.

Go for the best in every position we are trying to fill or just give the kids a chance.

The Delphs, Iwobis and Gomes of this worls are nowhere near good enough to get us among the elite and are a major drain on the wage bill.

Why would you want more of that and not a few top class additions instead.

Zeki Celic is no better than JJK. Does simple tackles well, has occasional pile driver shots that go in once a year on average to supplement his average of two assists. Not particularly quick. Why bother, JJK is already here if that's the level we are looking for. I thought we'd set our sights higher

Kieran, I'd say he's better than JJK, particularly defensively, but I agree there are better choices. Celik just doesn't cross the ball very well or make great attacking moves.

If the Baku rumor has any substance, I'll be a very happy guy. I've only seen him once or twice, but the kid is absolutely explosive. Better prospect than Aarons in my opinion.

Mike

Yeah the attacking part is my main concern. We lack “productivity” as Ronald would say and adding another player albeit a RB who adds little to nothing in that respect doesn't make sense to me.

I really don't know anything about Baku unless we are talking the Azerbaijani capital. Even though the German league is better, somehow aside from England; and Italy I've always kept an eye on France. But if you reckon he's decent I trust your judgement on him. Hopefully he's cheaper than Aaron's too

Off-topic, but if anybody's interested, here's NBC's rundown of the top 25 goals of the Prem season. None from us. One against us (Dwight McNeill at #24).

And they go with Lamela over Lanzini for #1, which is so wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_20mzo-ZWY

Ridle Baku, yes please.

I don't know too much about this lad so have just taken others' word for it.

I guess the premium of buying English (for whatever reason) and Norwich getting promoted has possibly made this a no-go. We shall see, but as soon as I saw Norwich were pretty much nailed on for Premier League football, thought it would make this one difficult. Totally different negotiating stance from when we signed Godfrey from them.

I'd turn my attention to the continent now and find a right sided Lucas Digne.

I don't think Zelik is the answer either and Aaron's will probably give Norwich one more year now.

I think this probably makes the lad Emerson from Barcelona a more likely move. Seeing as barca have now bought him in full from the third party you would expect thags with a view to sell on given the have dest and Roberto in that position.
They will be looking to sell players to raise funds and Brands seems to have a good relationship with the club in the past.

I also think Emerson offers more going forward than names put forward so far and would more suit a 5 at back formation. Which personally I think suits us as other than Godfrey I don't think any of our other CBs are quick enough to play in a back 4 and Carlo sees that.

Mike G @ 7, to be honest I have never heard or seen this guy, but yourself and others who apparently have, give glowing reports so, I will Back you with Baku!

Colin @ 4, Do I detect you don't like Iwobi ? :-) Mind you, you do have a point, and I often wonder what possessed Brands to even consider paying the vast amount for him apart from appeasing, or trying to, as a TDD surprise!

I think Zenit Celik is a fair bit better than Kenny. He's solid defensively and a better passer of the ball, though not a brilliant crosser and not rapid. Quite a few people still rate him as one of the best right backs in France this year and he was a crucial part of Lille's title win.

Ridle Baku is exciting. Very dynamic and doesn't stop running. But he's played most of this season as a winger rather than full back. He's quite short (like Aaron's) and may be suspect defensively. Though he'd still be my preferred choice.

Emerson from Betis/Barca looks a very rounded player and there is also Dumfries, Junior Sambia, Mukiele, Centonze, Ngakia, Tete etc

One right back I'd be tempted to gamble on is Gabriel Menino from Palmeiras, he's played a lot in central midfield but has featured at right back and looked very accomplished when I've seen him. Perhaps our Brazil watchers could tell us more.

Another South American is Montiel at River Plate who could prove a cheaper but very effective option.

Will be tricky as there are a few clubs possibly looking for right backs including PSG, Arsenal and Tottenham.

Is this going to be a summer of plan B transfers? A consequence of finishing 12th and 10th in consecutive seasons?

I suspect so Andrew.

The thing with Iwobi was his stats. I wasn't keen when we were signing him but a friend of mine at sky sent me a few stats and it looked like he was one of the most attack minded players in Europe. Can't remember exactly what they were but within two months it proved to me that stats aren't everything.

I guess they thought with more regular football he'd only get better. If we get half our money back it will be a miracle. Perhaps we can try and fleece a promoted side like Watford.

Just seen Liverpool trigger 36 million release clause for a 22 year old centre back and we haggle over Max Aarons and other players, thats why they are so far ahead and win things and we don't, another summer of crap haggling, embarrassing!

#4 Colin and # 18 Marc. Whilst I agree historically huge mistakes have been made, and that Brand was party to them, together with Ancelotti reads as follows

Godfrey ✅ Hit
Allan ✅ Hit
Doucoure✅ Hit
James Ok.
Olsen Ok
Nkounkou Promising

No disasters there. I'm optimistic.

Exactly Marc, we always settle for second or third best. Always trying to make a diamond out of a turd. Always looking for the bargain of the century (Coleman) to say “look how clever we are” etc.. Was Lineker the last player we bought who was at the very top of his game?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for uncovering gems but sometimes they're staring you right in the face eg Maddison (Norwich), VVD (Celtic), Ali (Milton Keynes), Robertson (Hull), Bellingham (Birmingham) etc... Young players who were widely covered in the media before their moves to bigger clubs. Players (most of them) we were actually linked with but nothing came of it.

Yes, we've had our own moments, Stones, Lescott for example but for everyone one of them we've had an Iwobi, Ramirez, Tosun, Bolasie etc..who we couldn't move with a fucking bulldozer!!

If we want to reach for the stars then we'd better start getting some otherwise we'll just keep on surviving and hoping for a better day.

I've said it before and I'll say it again Tavernier from Rangers. Come through the lower levels the hard way with loans etc. Ok he signed a new deal recently but he's still going to be cheaper than Aarons.

Re JJK I'd love him to come good but followed his progress via Celtic fans forums and they really don't want to make his loan permanent.

If I means waiting one year for Aarons then just try and get Trippier on a one year loan or something like that.

Offers a younger alternative to Coleman just about and has a much better crossing ability.

Aarons would be my choice however because he knows the British league.

We don't want to be messing about blooding in a player and losing another year because they can't acclimate the pace and frenetic nature of the league.

It will be difficult, but not impossible, to sell Bernard, Delph, Iwobi, Gomes. These guys can do a job in mid-table French/ Spanish/Italian/German league teams. We may not get big transfer fees, but getting their wages off the books would help keep the losses down.

On the RB matter, going in for Kieran Trippier, as a stop gap, might help us spend big on an attacking player.

Marcel has a very busy summer ahead of him.

Thanks Colin, I just get frustrated with it all and especially seeing our neighbours make the moves and do it quickly and once again move further forward with their squad. Max Aarons will end up somewhere else, as more time moves on other clubs join in because we are haggling over the price. Then further down the line someone says well we did try for him but he went somewhere else! He is one of the best right backs in the country at the moment and is a good age, if your ambitious pay the money and move onto the next target!

What worries me Colin is I don't think the club wants to reach for the stars!

I cant understand the clamour to sign Aarons, considering the sort of sums that have been talked about. Since Moshiri came into the club we have overpaid on most transfers and the majority have been overpaid misfits. I think we need to be looking at our academy coaches and asking why arent you producing players to be ready to challenge for a first team place. I hear some posters saying Ancelotti wont play the youngsters but he has given a chance to quite a few of the youngsters, the fact that maybe none are good enough is not of his making. I think Hibbert and Ball were the last fullbacks to come through from our academy and nail down regular first team places. You find that successful clubs produce good players from their academies and even if they are not good enough for their first team they can sell them for a lot of money, just look at the money the other lot got for Solankie and Brewster. City again can recoup large amounts by moving on those not deemed good enough from their academy, likewise Chelsea. Fair play to Man utd despite always being at the top they still produce youngsters for the first team, probably more than most. Then you look at us we apart from Rooney we have produced very little some will mention Barkley but he didnt train on from being a very talented youngster and is even struggling to hold down a place at Villa who have no intention of making his move permanent.

So lets have a serious look at our academy set up filled with ex players who won next to nothing between them what a great inspiration to the young players they are coaching.

Always a balance Colin. Bring in experience and uncover up and coming potential. But never rely on either alone.

If you look at what we done last summer, that seems to have been the strategy. Hopefully we repeat that this summer.

On the top of his game question. I'd add Kanchelskis to that. Although he always seemed to have a transfer agenda wherever he went, but no denying he was a top player.

Danny, I'm all for a mix of experience and potential. I was hoping we'd get Silva but he went to Chelsea. I wanted Cavani but he went to Man U. I want Aguero, but he'll go somewhere else. I'd love to get Fernandinho but I doubt he'd come to us. These players would have given us a rock solid backbone and would have inspired the younger players with their winning mentality.

The only Brands buy I've been 100% happy with, so far, has been Godfrey. The others (Digne, Doucoure, Allan, James etc...) have been so bloody inconsistent.

Some young players you can just sense they are going to become superstars eg Foden, Stones, Bellingham, Mount, TAA etc... from the very start of their careers but, you have to take a chance on them if you believe in them ie 16 year old Wayne Rooney.

I do get depressed when I see the constant negativity on here. Everton have got money however, they still need to move players on, be aware of the budget they have and the salaries they pay. Even the largest and apparently most wealthy clubs have to abide by this. So its not necessarily baulking at a figure, its trying to get the best from the budget available.
The other thing to remember here is this is all paper talk so far and no one other than Brands and Ancelotti know the full story

I'm with you on Aguero Colin. I would absolutely love to see him come in to train and play alongside Dominic as often as the legs will allow. I think that would be great for Dominic's continued development. It won't happen though.

I was always disappointed in our collective attitude towards Stones. You're right. He was one of those you could see was destined to win things and go to the top. I know it was also timing that it was never to be with Everton, but we didn't help our cause. We slated him for his attitude and hissy fit at the Park End, but I'm sure that was a lot of his frustrations as a player coming out at the time too.

Fair assessment on the signings. Only Ben Godfrey has been consistent. Please let's give him time as he too (like Stones) is a young centre back learning his trade in an area of the pitch where mistakes are made all the more glaringly obvious when they happen. And they will.

The others. They're all good players. Surrounded by better ones than they are currently, we have some good foundations and like you call out, be more consistent. Good players, good teams are consistent.

Financial Fair Play means just selling Kean to get Aarons, who I don't think is any world beater, and then we can't afford anyone else.

Who we get depends on whether we need a full-back or a wing-back. I don't like 3 centre-backs because opponents pin our full-backs and our midfield then drops too deep. As we play two defensive midfielders, we then end up with eight players in our own half!

I think we need a full-back with pace who can overlap, not a wing-back. Then we need some pace and aggression in midfield so we can dominate teams, not just look to play on the break.

It'll be a long summer and we'll be linked with every player out there. Hopefully Brands gets in some more solid young players like Godfrey; otherwise, we won't progress. Injury-prone older players with big wage bills need to be avoided like the plague, eg, Agüero. James is enough of that already!

Pete, You talked down Aarons in your first paragraph then describe him to a tee as the type of player we need.

No one knows if young players will ever fulfill their potential but if you don't try you'll never know.

Odriozola for me.

Paul @ 32, is he any relation to Gianfranco or Gorgonzola ? :-)

Colin #31 If he wasn't priced at 30 million then he would be. Godfrey was 20 million with some add ons. No way is Aarons worth 50% more after a year in the Championship. Coufal at West Ham was only 5.5 million so there must be good full backs out there that aren't silly money.

Brian (25). I too have heard that Villa do not intend to sign Ross B on a permanent deal. Given our past history, that terrifies me, as we all know who would probably welcome him back with open arms. We'd probably end up paying twice as much as Chelsea paid us, when he left.

Barkley probably will end up going to Rangers or Celtic.
Carreer rapidly dwindling

Get Aarons!!! Even if it means we won't get anyone else and won't be able to get into the top flight in the coming seasons. We need to invest in the very best and be patient! Otherwise we will be going nowhere!

Pete @35. You're right, £35m is a very big fee for a right back even if he is a very good fit for us. I would rather we bought someone more around the £15m mark (quite a lot in this category) and invested much more heavily in forward options given that we have almost no forward options whatsoever.

This is the rumour mill site, don't forget that boys, rumour.

Surely the signing of a RB should be done in conjunction with the new player (hopefully) who will play in front of him. Let's find a partnership akin to What Baines and Pienaar We're on the left.

Tavenier from Rangers with Olosunde from Rotherham as back up...sorted.

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Matthew,

So, with Tavernier, we can replace our 32-year-old right-back with a 30-year-old right-back who has played a handful of Premier League games in his career?

I am starting to worry about you. Your notion of Stevie G as manager, now this lad. Are you in fact Walter Smith in disguise trying to recreate the glorious late '90s at Everton?

Youth & experience Keiran... vital ingredient for success,the lad has had a very good season...why not?.

As for slippy as Gaffer?????...WRONG!!!!.

So fucking wrong...I was thinking you were a smart Blue too...sigh.

I also take a punt on the other Tavenier at Boro too.

I also take a punt on the other Tavenier at Boro too.

Although he hasnt got the build my favourite would be Lampty.

He has looked outstanding every time he plays and is so quick getting forward.

Just what we need IMO.

no specifics, but Barry Fry expects Carlo Ancelotti to be heavily backed this Summer, according to FootballFancast

A decent player is that Lampty,but has played less footy this season than our James!.

I hope that Mr Fry has got his facts wrong then...Carlo wasting more of Moshiri's dosh...jeez.

I think Tavernier is a great call as an option, gets better each year and has captain qualities.

My suggestions for our right side would be to get Doherty and Traore teamed up again. Not happened for Doherty at Spurs and might be time for Traore to move on from Wolves now the manager has gone. Ready-made partnership with Premier League experience and players we could realistically attract.

Crikey... Just seen Chelsea are after Lukaku and Haaland, now that's ambition – even after what they did last summer.

Obviously circus season Marc, but Lukaku strikes a cord.

Lazy and poor touch many said whilst he was an Everton player.

A striker who consistently will score 20 goals a season. That's what you ultimately want from your main striker.

Tavernier is 30 would be an expensive stop-gap. Traore is a bit of an enigma, an over-muscled headless chicken but can scare the shit out of defences with his speed. He doesn't contribute many goals, 6 in 74? for Wolves. I think we can do better.

Headless chicken Traore. No end product whatsoever.

Better players than him needed to transform the club.

As the Paul the Esk Summer Spending article shows, buying players like Traore (expensive, high wages, not quite good enough for Champions League sides, no room for improvement) is really killing us. Since such players get sold on sooner or later for peanuts or free, we end up with nothing to reinvest in the replacement.

The older you buy such players, the sooner they need to be replaced. It means we're constantly having to rebuild a squad rather just invest in a few key positions – and with a seriously over-stretched transfer budget for the rebuilding.

That's not me saying Traore is no good – I'm just saying he's the sort of expensive mid-table type we've been buying since Moshiri took over; £250m net spend later and we're 10th in the Premier League.

The Tavenier brothers down the right, Stevens and Decordova-Reid (a Pienaar clone) down the left, youth and experience needed to get us back on an even keel first, Blues.

Our football is so fucking poor at the moment, the players need to be drilled on fitness as well as the basics of pass and move.

As for outgoings... jeez, where to start!?

It certainly is, Danny – and I ould have Lukaku back in a heartbeat. I really don't think he would've missed the many easy chances I felt Calvert-Lewin missed.

Marc (56),

I too would welcome Lukaku back, but let's be realistic... We don't play two strikers up front nor does it look like the club are looking to replace Calvert-Lewin as our first-choice striker.

Personally I would rather we take a punt on Danny Ings, who knows where the goal is, and can be used as backup, or in rotation with Calvert-Lewin. I don't think he'd have any issue warming the bench.

As for right-wing, would prefer Matheus Pereira (West Brom) or Jonathan Ikone (Lille) rather than Traore. Either one of them would improve our attack, and are both at the right age and value.

Adama Traore, no thanks. I've said on previous threads he's the Forrest Gump of the premier league, just keeps on running and running. As Thomas say, he's a headless chicken. Plus he puts baby oil on his arms to prevent opponents from grabbing him and pulling him back!

Traore is a beefed-up version of Iwobi minus the cowardice. Like Rob said, Traore is a headless chicken, a speed merchant with no end result. We've already had a player like him in Walcott (absolutely useless) so no thanks.

And whatever we do, pray Pedro isn't recruited in the summer!

While we're on the subject of transfers, the BBC rumours page are reporting that Man Utd have agreed personal terms with Jadon Sancho but have yet to make a formal bid to Dortmund. Now, in my eyes, isn't that a club “Tapping Up” a player, going behind the players parent clubs back etc etc etc, or am I missing something?

Of the British-based players available, I could see us signing Anguissa or Berge and Pereira. Even Zaha if Brands can get the price to £40m or less. Aarons is very much a possibility still too I expect – we'll just be trying to get the fee down there too. Otherwise most (all?) of the signings will probably be from abroad given the astronomical price of players here.

Zero chance of the likes of Ings, Ward-Prowse, Phillips and Dunk. These are neither Brands nor Ancelotti type signings – and it's hard to see why they would want to swap their present clubs for 10th place Everton.

Vijay (57)

Yes agree I think Ancelotti will only play one up front, but then again I would rather Lukaku than DCL just for the simple fact Lukaku finishes better.

But you are right and DCL is and will be our main striker from now on and Ancelotti will only be looking for a backup type. Ings is a good shout although can be injury prone himself.

wow a lot of reports now on the internet that Ancelotti is to be announced Real Madrid Manager and he has shocked Everton and asked to leave

Brands needs to bring in quality players that have been identified in crucial positions ie right forward / winger and right back.

It doesn't matters who the new manager is, we all know what's needed.

Moshiri and Brand's to identify best managerial candidates. Mancini, Lampard, Wenger..

Carry on, we may change the plumber but we know what's needs fixing and how to fix it. Hard work, experience, proven winner.

Sounds like Denzel Washington might be joining the Brands revolution!