Premier League – Week 8

Ranieri, sacked in the morning? Hope not.

A few snippets in the gossip column today. Lingard possibly on the move again January. Would he add anything to us? Don't know.

Sterling talking himself out of City potentially, which his interview yesterday? Who wouldn't take the 33 year old Lewandowski?

Calvert-Lewin to become Arsenal's main target??

And Klopp out with an early, albeit tame snipe at the Newcastle deal.

Right let's watch Watford.

Have Watford ever sacked a manager at half-time?

A first for everything I suppose.

Too easy for Liverpool. They may have a good team but Watford are poor.

It took 40 minutes, but the pre-prepared "it was a year ago tomorrow that Saint Virgil sustained a knee injury" got rolled out. Okay, he didn't use Saint, but that was otherwise verbatim.

Inevitable (eye roll, sigh).

I admit to not paying too much attention to them other than banter with family, but is it me or, despite their very strong first 14, is Liverpool's squad a light touch too???

The ladies team have just sacked Willie Kirk. I feel that’s pretty harsh considering a tough opening schedule. I read somewhere a relative of Usmanov (nephew?) was involved with the ladies. I hope Uncle Al has more patience with the men’s team if he eventually takes the reins…

Danny,

Also the rumours about Aberdeen right-back, Calvin Ramsey, keep resurfacing. It seems we've sent scouts up there and we're taking this possibility seriously. He's only 18, it would be interesting to hear opinion whether him or Patterson look the best prospect.

It would be interesting to get a view on Ramsey, Tony. I don't know too much about him.

My blood is currently boiling. If his young kid wasn't with him, a London red who strangely apparently has a Warford season ticket is bragging out loud about selling his ticket for this to someone for £1k in the pub I'm watching this in.

Thank goodness for the ToffeeWeb community. True blues who help fans out at face value. I'm fuming and I'm usually a calm person.

Got to listen to this idiot for the next 40 minutes or so.

David Nicholls @5. Yeah, it's not the Everton way to be another Chelsea and replace winner after winner with trophy after trophy. That's the last thing we need is a trigger-happy owner who actually knows what he's doing. Yes, that's sarcasm by the way.

Brian, I think Chelsea get away with their managerial Merry-go-round because they have invested in world class players for 3 decades.

Chopping and changing managers is why we are in a financial mess and Rafa can’t spend…

To the point about the true implementation of the DoF model as I interpret it David. Do it properly and within reason, it can almost be irrelevant who the manager is.

But do it or don't do it. None of this "on the bus / off the bus" approach. Its just caused confusion and complexity as to who is responsible for what.

Dave. Yes I know. I'm just in a bad mood. Was going to have a bev in town but now it's full of gloating Nordic / wools / taffs (delete where appropriate). So I'll wait till tomorrow

Brian. You don't want to be where I am. Trust me. West London. It's awful although I should be used to it now. £1K ticket boy is still really annoying me.

I'll be on the 8:17 from Euston tomorrow.

Already mentioned by others, but this BBC article on Beni Baningime makes for a very good read.

Beni Baningime - Trials & Tribulations

Delighted for Beni that things are going well for him at Hearts. He comes across as a very mature, well-balanced young man.

I might just tune in and watch the Rangers v Hearts game rather than a Premier League alternative today.

Dave. Having said that, the difference in Chelsea is the calibre of appointments.

Moyes and his teary sidekick upstairs brainwashed a generation of Blues into thinking we should be grateful to even be on the top table. As for Silva, the job was way too big for him. Koeman didn't care and is / was average at best. Big Sam ditto. So the chopping and changing is not really the problem in my opinion.

Let's hope this fella carries on the good work. Even with almost 10 men tomorrow because Rondon is next to useless so far.

Jay, that's a fine piece on Beni. Love the guy.

Jay (13), seems to me he is putting his trust in the best place and will be guided by his faith, I’ll try and watch him today.

I think, as Brent suggests,that Beni has always been easy to like, his quiet nature possibly holding him back in his football career, maybe he has found that toughness, on the pitch, that he always needed.

I’ve watched since he first started in the youth team, he had a nice style and always played for the team, never for himself, lost his way a bit the last few years but looks like he has found himself at Hearts, I sincerely hope he continues to shine up in Scotland and has a good career in football.

A dilemma, I wouldn’t mind seeing the continuing decline of UShited but talk of Brenda getting the job is nauseating. Kind of a football hater today. An ugly draw would suffice.

Bizarre.

I can only find radio commentary on the Rangers v Hearts game, or this YouTube link which is showing the game live...BUT!!!

The screen is showing the game at a 45 degrees angle. Weird.

Rangers v Hearts

Could get a stiff neck watching this!

That was a decent rip from Greenwood.
LC 0-1 UShited

What a goal by Greenwood. Nearly identical to the goal Dest scored for the USA the other night.

Lovely article on Beni. So happy for the young man that he's found his game and a home. Well done, lad.

Dale #17, "UShited". Love it.

Leicester score 1--1

Well I was hoping for a shitfest but Tielemans just placed a beauty from an igno-turnover

LC 1-1 Man Utd

Tielemans, great goal, perfection.

Hey Mike, someone maybe Paul is offering Uniturd as an alternative moniker. Feel free to mix and match. It's all about the shite.

I love all Man Utd insults. When I first started watching English football 40 years ago, before I even had a club to cheer for, my favorite team was whoever they were playing. I still feel that way... if the Taliban played footy, I'd root for them against Man Utd.

John Lundstram scores for Rangers

Slabhead getting a right load off Leicester fans, seems to be getting to him too.

And a cracker it was too Danny.

Tuned in to watch Beni, not aware another Everton old boy now plays for Rangers.

Beni has barely featured with Rangers dominant, but John Lundstrom has shone. Seriously, possibly the standout player in the first half.

Won't be able to watch the 2nd half. Summonsed by she who must be obeyed to go on a shopping trip. Sob!

I love how the cameras always show Brenda doing sudoku during play. Fucking charlatan.

Always liked Lundstram... too bad with that manager though.

I've said before, he impressed me at Loftus Road in an FA Youth Cup match for Everton years ago, Jay. Glad to see him doing well. He will stand out in that league.

And a gamewinner by the worst player on the pitch.

Yay!!!!!

Leicester are the better team, they deserve to be winning... just hold on or get another.

Shit... Man Utd score.

Rashford - 2-2

3-2 Leic

Brill. English football huh. Leicester City 3-2 Man Utd

Jamie Vardy

Take a piss and miss two goals. What a game.

4-2. How sad!

4--2 Leicester

Mike, Soyoncu worst player on pitch? He’s in a back 4 holding a United forward line of Ronaldo, Greenwood, Fernandes, Sancho/Rashford to 1-1, he was having a decent game.

Stick a fork in Ole, he’s done.

Maybe Newcastle will go for Ole?

4 goals after the 77th minute. Is that fun or what?

Jeff, he's one of the worst players in the Premier League, in my opinion. Dumb as a box of rocks.

Man Utd will go German.

4th place beckons. What could possibly go wrong?

Not a fan myself, Mike, but today he was decent, better than Maguire, Lindelof and a fair few others, nowhere near worst on the pitch.

Ooh. That was a nice deflection. Good results but one. AV 2-3 wolves

And Wolves 3 goals in the last 10 minutes!

And now a wild late comeback by Wolves. What a day.

Ole's wheel coming loose??

All we need now is a Brentford win to round off the games, pity about the Watford capitulation.

I don't think I'm sleeping tonight. I'll sit with the dogs and talk it through. Up at 5 anyway

Come on, you Bees!

Jeff post 52. all we don't need is a Brentford win or draw. The only good thing about Covid is it stopped a nightmare trophy parade around the city and all we had to see was them idiots fighting with each other outside Anfield. By the way, I have never seen that before with fans supposed to be celebrating a title win. But that's them all over. Total animals. Coyb, let's salvage the weekend.

Jeff. Mike. Are you kopites. Get a grip we need the likes of Chelsea or city or anyone to stop the Nightmare on Gwladys Street, Part Two. 🙏

Too early to cheer for any football aristocracy, even for anti-Red reasons.

C'mon Bees, suck it, Touchel.

Sorry Brian you've lost me there, I want a Brentford win, then a win for us tomorrow that puts us right in the mix.

You're over-thinking it,

Kopites .. cheeky bar steward!

Jeff. I'll make it plain and simple. I'm thinking of bigger picture. We need Man City or Chelsea or Accrington fucking Stanley to go on a run and stop them shiesters over the park from giving us a nightmare in May coming down Queens Drive. Love to know what planet you are on, mate.

No, Brian, I'm not a fucking kopite.

I cheer for the Bees to support a close Irish mate who suffered through four decades of Brentford futility. We went through the same medical shit at the same time, and I promised him if we both made it, I'd go with him back to London to watch the Bees. We did both make it, but sadly his fight took too much out of him to allow him to travel again, so I can't keep my promise. The least I can do is to share his joy at watching his lads in the Premier League.

That far outweighs any considerations about the RS. I'll leave that to you.

We are told as Everton fans to start embracing out-of-town fans and not to be so insular but you obviously are detached from this rivalry on other side of the pond. No offence just putting it as diplomatic as I can. Christ on a bike.

Mike. Well I wasn't privy to that and that's a personal matter so fair play to you. I'll leave it at that.

I wondered about this. . .

"During the 1970s, there was a group of us who would socialise and go to home and away games. One of them was a girl called Judy Kaufman. Judy was known as Jude and therefore I used to play the song for her. It's just been adopted by Brentford fans listening to it and it evolved pretty quickly."

Hate em as much as anyone Brian. This is a timing thing. For now we can just cheer for whoever plays the Shite. We can get strategic with the support after Xmas break in my opinion

I do like the fight though keep that going.

Unlucky the bees

That closeup print on the Chelsea jerseys is atrocious. They should be docked points for bringing the game into disrepute. Harry Blackwell’s worms are rolling in his grave possibly with laughter.

Brian,

I'll make it even more simple for you. I and a few others love Everton, and want us to win every single game, be it Under-18s, Under-23s, women's team etc,

But I also love the game of football, especially when an underdog is beating the so-called top clubs. So yes, I enjoyed Leicester City beating Man Utd.

I also love a comeback, like Wolves today at Villa. Great games, entertaining, enjoyable.

I also want Brentford to beat Chelsea tonight, just like I enjoyed them beating Arsenal, and getting a 3-3 against your favourites for everything.

Brian Murray 59

Totally agree.

Unpalatable as it may be to some, especially the 'out of town' crew, until we start to challenge and win stuff, the schadenfreude of the rs NOT dancing in the streets is all we have.

Only the Mancs and Chelsea have the tools – hence we need them to get on a run.

Jeff. Would you still be enthralled and rooting for the underdog around may time if say Brentford got a point v city or Chelsea and it gave them shower the title ? If the answer is yes then your idea of being a blue are worlds apart from mine. Case in point I’m sure you remember when Barkley scores in the first minute v city and although mooted a lot of Gladys st etc cheered the goal. It got quite heated and came to blows although quickly broke up. I respect your opinion as a football lover and I wish I could be as impartial as you. Sorry just was t brought up that way.

Go Chillers

Of all the managers in the Premier League, I would guess that Ole is the least likely to find another job.

He has proven himself to be shite at a lower club with little money, and now shite at a big club with loads of money. He is about as employable as David O'Leary. He looks like a man who can't quite believe he is doing the job he is doing.

I suspect he will soon be relieved of any such concerns.

Get in – Chelsea score, hope they get 10!

Barry @69,

That is a really interesting post and, as one of the "out of town" crew, I actually get what you mean. Hope our days of vicarious pleasure will end soon. Maybe, when every club is super rich, we will arrive at an era where coaching, support, endeavour and fortune will count for more.

Barry. Ha ha Hallelujah. They look far from convincing but the Bees already showing they can be a threat. Hope this new season bounce is over by the time we play them.

Andy, what lower club did Ole manage and fail? I thought he had decent success at Molde.

Andy @74,

It's a sad state of affairs but is the truth and has been for decades.

I begrudgingly acknowledge their determination and street smarts in pursuit of success traits that don't exist at this club. I wish I could be magnanimous about their haul of trophies but realise drinking battery acid has more appeal.

Good pals are reds but, as an entity, I hate LFC with a passion.

Let it be understood that the colonials have to deal with pompous Red Shite as well. Pile an NFL/WWF head onto that and I assure you no-one is resting easy while the Red Shite are top.

Cardiff City, Mike.

Being around other fans every day takes its toll. I lived near Tottenham for years and hated that team on account of their fans. Even now I can hardly stomach them. So people still in Liverpool are bound to have a higher level of RS hate as it's in their faces every day.

Have to be impressed with Brentford. Not so much with Man Utd.

You have to wonder, if we are up there come January, will our board be able to back the manager?

Extraordinary spirit shown by the Bees. Terrible luck. That last shot hit Mendy in the face.

Jeff, thanks, completely forgot about that. Seems like 6-7 years ago, doesn't it?

Brentford were terrific, never gave up, they have now given the two top teams games they will remember. My nerves were gone as I wanted Chelsea to win, as this thread will explain.

If Brentford had got the draw or win they deserved, I couldn't have begrudged their points, the whole team worked their socks off for each other for every minute of the game and made Chelsea do likewise, well ten of them!!

Great effort by Brentford.

Speaks volumes that the Chelsea keeper was Man of the Match.

Barry@78: It’s not just us who don’t want Liverpool to win or be top of the league, they also feel that way about us, despite all their trophies. When they won the league two seasons ago, the first thing some of them did was tell Evertonians how shite Everton are, not how great they think they are.

See we're back to having a pop at the RS fans. I was on a flight back home from Malta yesterday morning and two of the bellends were sat right behind me, one wearing the RS home shirt, the other some kind of RS polo shirt. Before we'd even took off, I heard one say “Are we at home or away tomorrow”? The other replied “Away, think it's Watford”.

I was pissing meself laughing until I got an elbow right into me ribs off the missus. I was tempted to turn round and say “I know where you will be watching it, at the pub”, but I didn't fancy another elbow into the ribs! 😃😃😃

Am I the only one who saw Chilwell playing Tony inside when Brentford should have had a penalty? Watch it – he's onside when the ball is played.

Bobby, I thought that. Shouldn’t VAR have reviewed it, or was there no review because the flag was raised for offside first?

Rob, I don’t know but it was defo onside.

Just watched the first game on MotD and not only was the "R" word not used once, the coverage didn't show him even touch the ball.

Has the bubble burst already? 💥🤣🤣🤣

Mike, I think Cardiff showed him as being pretty uninspiring, though to be fair Cardiff at that time was a tough one.

Rob,

I just heard the commentator say on Match of the Day that VAR checked the Lukaku disallowed goal in first half, so should have checked the penalty incident.

Liked this quote from a BBC reporter:

'Watford: a club with an endless list of managers. Ranieri: a manager with an endless list of clubs'!

Just to let you all know, in exactly four hours and five minutes, it will be the anniversary of the horrific, career-threatening injury to St Virgin Van Shite!

It's a wonder all the bells throughout the land aren't ringing out the good news!

I thought penalty at the time. Still a penalty for me at 2nd watch.

Rob, Thanks for that gem on VVD, it has made my day...

Worse! :-)

Newcastle 1 up against the purple people eaters

Well, fuck me…

Is that what a centre-forward is supposed to do when a cross is put in?

The purple people eaters have equalized against Newcastle.

And Spurs go ahead.

Go on, Spurs.

Harrowing moment. Credit to the players for reacting. 🙏🏻

It's going to take some serious spending by the Saudi's to get Newcastle out of the Championship next season.

I see tonight's big bottom-half 6-pointer is attracting a lot of interest this evening...

Pity coz ya just missed an excellent goal by Edourad!

Arsenal 1 - 2 Palace!!!

Always struggle to get into the rest of the league when our guys lose. Keep it going. Throw Arteta a life jacket.

The 2 teams tonight seem yo be playing in a different league than Everton with Palace looking better than Arsenal

And a dramatic last-kick tying goal for Arsenal from Lacazette.

Wouldya belive it?

Hope we practice more corners as Arsenal snatch a point.

"Arsenal snatch a point and keep their heads above Palace".

Who's going first? Arteta or Ole?

Scored in the fifth minute of four added minutes. A knock to Conor Gallagher in injury time and Mike Dean stopped play so he could be treated. That was the killer for Palace as Arsenal scored in the added time added on to the added time, all due to Conor Gallagher being treated. It wasn't a head injury so Dean should have let play carry on.

I thought Palace were the better team after going down a goal early after the start of the game, it was a shame they brought their more controlling players off to go defensive with a back 5 a middle 4 with 1 forward it just invited pressure.

Rob (113),

I thought an Arsenal player caught Gallagher with his foot on the back of his head, it didn't look much and I thought Gallagher was acting the goat, serves him right if he was.

Viera on the touchline looked like he was ready to burst into tears as the Arsenal goal robbed his team of two points.

Dave, I've just rewound back to the incident, and it looks like the Arsenal player's knee caught Gallagher in the back, somewhere around his shoulder blades. Palace would have been better kicking the ball out of play rather than carrying on. At least Arsenal (you'd hope anyway) would have had to throw the ball back to Palace.

Rob (116), fair enough Rob, Gallagher was holding his head so he was acting the goat, amazing how many players go down feigning injury in the last few minutes of a game when their team are winning!!

Teta: the water carrier player who rose to become the orange slice distributor coach. Arrogant clown who left Top 6 Everton and dragged Arsenal down to no more than Top 6. Now he has Arsenal fans talking of the glory days of Bruce Rioch. Sad to see another club have the Mike Walker experience.

I was listening to Tim Vickery on TalkSport who is their South American correspondent, and the subject of Wenger's World Cup every 2 years came up.

He said that the South Americans have come up with another suggestion which I haven't heard before. The idea is a Nations Cup where the top South American Countries will play the top European Countries.

I think this is far more interesting than a World Cup every other year.