Allan returns from his harsh three-match ban and he is joined in the starting XI by Fabian Delph
It was a massive massive day at Goodison Park and a Gordon's deflected shot was the only goal in Everton's lethargic struggle to stay in the Premier League with an erratic Manchester United side defeated in a vibrant bear-pit atmosphere at The Old Lady.
But of most concern for some going into this game were suggestions emanating from an unnamed senior journalist, and put about by senior Everton fans, that members of the Everton squad don't think manager Frank Lampard is up to the job.
If true, such a shocking lack of faith and belief in the manager should come as no surprise from this group of players who have performed dismally through these recent weeks, displaying so little effort and desire that has resolutely denied him little by way of a "new manager" bounce. But it fatally undermines all the good faith, outstanding support, and perennial belief in "hope eternal" that the fans are digging deep to produce in a valiant effort to get them over the line.
Such heart-breaking revelations notwithstanding, Everton welcome back both Michael Keane and Allan from suspension but Donny van de Beek is missing as he can't play against his parent club.
Dominic Calvert-Lewin, on whom such great hopes were placed when he returned to the side after 4 months out injured… his current form is simply incomprehensible — to the point where his disinterested attitude has to be seriously questioned. Has his head been turned? A reasonable supposition based on his increasingly dire performances. In which case, he should not be playing… but he is, with Rondon, who seems to now have a far better sense of where the goal is, remaining on the bench, where there are no young players from the U23s.
Calvert-Lewin set things off and Everton pushed into the visitors' half but Gordon misplaced what could have been a key pass out to the right.
Everton had most of the early possession but sloppy passes did nothing to help them approach the Man Utd area. Allan had to defend well to prevent Telles from crossing.
Keane went in very late on Telles, who left his foot in to catch the Everton player's calf and make it look a lot worse than it was. But it was a dangerous free-kick, Fernades pushed it to the far post and Rashord's shot needed saving. From the corner, it came around to Ronaldo with a fierce first-time strike but he was ruled offside.
Keane gave the ball away in midfield and it saw Pickford produce a fine save low down to stop Rashford's header. Everton continued to give the ball up cheaply, Keane having to whip the ball off Ronaldo's toes as he was making to shoot. Everton were being increasingly pushed back mainly through their own inability to provide any continuity to their forward play.
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Everton broke from a smart Pickford roll-out and Iwobi's fast running but Richarlison made a complete dog's dinner of his pass. Delph saw a chance for Mykolenko to overlap but Wan-Bissaka had the measure of him. Wan-Bissaka came through Richarlison from behind, normally a yellow card, but not from Jon Moss.
Another comedy of errors from Keane and Delph slipping saw Fernandes gallop forward but the cross was poor. United continued to press with minimal effect. Iwobi pushed forward again but Calvert-Lewin overlapping crossed straight to a defender.
Delph tried to pick out Richarlison but overhit his adventurous forward ball. In truth, both teams were playing poorly, non more so than Calvert Lewin. But Everton pushed forward but Allan lost possession... then Gordon won it back well of Matic but overhit his pass out to Richarlison who, nevertheless recovered and crossed in Iwobi forcing a mistake that saw the ball screw out to Anthony Gordon who took a shot at goal and scored with a massive deflection off Maguire. Beautiful!
A free-kick for handball saw Gordon curl in a shot that Keane stooped to head over the bar. Telles got past Gordon too easily and his low cross was very well cleared by Godfrey.
Another free-ick, awarded for a high foot on Iwobi, saw Gordon swing in another from further out, but Man Utd defended it and the following phase. Pickford had to come out and punch the ball off Matic's head before
Richarlison made space for himself and the pace was taken out of his shot a little by a deflection, allowing De Gea to palm it behind for an Everton corner, but Everton could not fashion a clear-cut chance. Pogba replaced Fred.
Everton had to defend solidly under repeated advances by the Red Devils. Mykolenko was having a good game getting into key locations and making crucial interventions. He was forced to head a dangerous cross behind for a Man Utd corner that they wasted. Mykolenko then did well to win a corner at the other end but it led to nothing as Everton went in with the lead.
After the restart, Richarlison was fouled and Mykolenko did well to beat a defender and cross in low for Calvert-Lewin to watch from his useless position behind the defender. The Reds attacked and won a corner that was defended well enough.
A very clever ball from Fernandes almost fell for Rashford who was allowed in on goal but bounced through harmlessly. Pogba scythed down Gordon for a yellow card.
Everton won a corner for Gordon to deliver. It was decent enough but Maguire headed it away powerfully. Mykolenko did brilliantly to force Wan-Bissaka to give away another corner that was put in a bit behind Godfrey as he headed it over.
Richarlison did superbly to deny Wan-Bissaka and force the counter-attack upfield. Mykolenko was clipped as he crossed in for Gordon. Richarlison pursued the follow up and won another corner, Calvert-Lewin beaten to the ball.
Delp was playing very well in midfield, but Richarlisn spoilt the move with a pass too short for Mykolenko. But Everton were doing well to limit Man Utd's movement, Godfrey clearing well in defence.
Delph was very effective in cutting out a pass with a low tackle in the Everton box, at the expense of a corner that Everton defended while under some pressure. Keane had to head away a dangerous cross as Man Utd ramped up the pressure through the hour-mark.
Elanga came on with Mata but his first cross was into the side-netting. Lampard showed no sign of making any changes. Man Utd tried to pass their way through the Everton defence that was holding firm so far. Calvert-Lewin was fouled by Pogba.
Calvert-Lewin finally did something good, helping to steal the ball but Gordon's cross should have been turned in and wasn't and Everton were under pressure again, Godfrey clearing for another Man Utd corner. Gordon cleared for a second corner that came closest to being converted, Mata firing over. Calvert-Lewin was replaced by Gray.
Man Utd kept pushing up but were meant by plenty of blue shirts. Delph found Gordon with a great ball wide right but Gordon could not beat his marker. Gordon slipped over going in on Sancho and saw yellow.
Gordon, competing for a ball with Telles in the Man Utd area, felt an arm on his back and collapsed in a heap, impressing the Gwladys Street but not Jon Moss. Man Utd continued to build attack after attack but Everton were holding on, Richarlison buying a free-kick. But the pressure resumed, Pickford getting down to stop a decent shot from Pogba.
The Man Utd pressure into the last 10 minutes was relentless, with Delph starting to pull up. Another attack saw Wan-Bissaka blocked by Gray and Mykolenko. Doucouréreplaced Delph, and was given a decent ovation for a good performance.
Iwobi was another who had put in a lot more effort and shown a lot more desire than we are accustomed to. He and Gray tried to run through four Man Utd defenders but they were thwarted. Picked was booked for time-wasting.
With the minutes ticking down in the Goodison sunshine, the crowd was cheering everything that went Everton's way as 5 minutes of added time went up.
Coleman went on a mazey run but could not play in Iwobi. At the other end, Ronaldo gt a very dangerous shot that Pickford just about saved, the Reds claiming handball off Keane.
Everton tried to keep the ball upfield in the tense dying minutes but Pickford came out to punch clear. Man Utd try again and again but Jon Moss finally blues the whistle on a very precious Everton win.
Kick-off: 12:30 pm BST, Saturday 9 April 2022 on BT Sport 1
Everton: Pickford [Y:85'] , Coleman, Keane, Mykolenko, Godfrey, Allan, Delph (84' Doucouré), Iwobi, Gordon [Y:76'], Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin (71' Gray).
Subs: Begovic, Kenny, Holgate, Gomes, Branthwaite, Rondon, Dele Alli.
Man Utd: De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, Lindelof, Maguire, Telles, Matic (64' Mata), Fred (36' Pogba [Y:51']), Fernandes, Sancho, Rashford (64' Elanga), Ronaldo. [Y:86']
Subs: Heaton, Henderson, Jones, Dalot, Mejbri, Lingard.
Referee: Jonathon Moss
VAR: Andy Madley
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1 Posted 09/04/2022 at 11:31:59
2 Posted 09/04/2022 at 11:35:43
3 Posted 09/04/2022 at 11:39:20
Now I am nervous... Keane back in defence.
4 Posted 09/04/2022 at 11:43:36
Anyway, let's do this. We're still ahead of Burnley, have 2 games in hand on Leeds with a superior goal difference (even though ours is shocking) and I wouldn't rule Brentford out of the equation just yet.
This weekend will tell.
5 Posted 09/04/2022 at 11:44:41
6 Posted 09/04/2022 at 11:45:40
7 Posted 09/04/2022 at 11:46:37
8 Posted 09/04/2022 at 11:47:09
9 Posted 09/04/2022 at 11:49:13
I'm not for changing manager at this moment but just what is the idea, or is it just a few games too late?
10 Posted 09/04/2022 at 11:59:56
11 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:00:58
12 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:04:19
Branthwaite the youngest but most composed the other night. I'm a fan of Dominic but he's just not doing it at the moment. Rondon would be better playing at the moment.
Lampard won't drop Pickford, too frightened of Pickford's ego being tarnished and his England place at stake. If the players can't realise how important these games are for us fans, then we are finished as a top club for a very long time but is it too late now to hope they will start having a go.
I can't make it today due to unforeseen circumstances but will be willing them on throughout the game.
13 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:04:36
Begovic in goal.
Back four: Coleman, Keane, Branthwaite, Godfrey.
Midfield: Richarlison, Allan, Delph, Gray.
Strikers: Rondon, Tosun.
The definition of insanity is repeating an action and expecting it to be different. That's why I would drop Pickford and Calvert-Lewin.
14 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:05:15
I agree, I would have kept Branthwaite in. It's a strange one. He's looked solid. I cant weigh Lampard up.
15 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:06:53
Is Frank up to this? He's very good with the media but…..
16 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:10:00
17 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:11:30
18 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:18:31
19 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:19:03
20 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:20:49
Players like Matic, Sancho and Rashford are real mood players - sometimes they just do not seem to fancy it. Lets hope we are catching them on a off day. Crowd needs another MOTM display.
21 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:21:41
Personally I'd have retained Branthwaite - especially as he's a threat at set pieces - but whatever the case we can win this.
22 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:21:46
23 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:24:24
I agree with what people are saying that Branthwaite deserves a start, but I need to understand why they think he is a replacement for Mina.
I see a better Michael Keane. A traditional centre back who is still very young and can develop into a really good player. With both of them in the team I would see us sitting deep. Or is that me just being harsh on him?
Anyway, fasten your seat belts and strap in for an emotional Everton rollercoaster.
24 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:30:14
25 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:30:42
Our other central midfielder is Iwobi, who despite a recent upturn still has a massive amount to deliver if he is ever going to be considered a reasonable buy, and who has also contributed to the disastrous mistake collection.
Im really worried Delph has done his con job of looking the part at Finch Farm and then wilting in actual action. I really hope this trio can come together to form a decent midfield but Im terrified they will be easily brushed aside or simply bypassed and this will be a rout.
26 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:37:02
Picked the side many were calling for. Probably safer to play 2 defensive midfielders at the moment. Godfrey looks shaky without Keane. Keep the faith, lads.
27 Posted 09/04/2022 at 12:55:34
As for Delph.. I'd take him over Doucoure every day of the week.
Bright start here.. I'll maybe take my headphones with me.. lol
28 Posted 09/04/2022 at 13:23:00
Of course Delph is better than Doucouré. I don't rate Delph highly, but he knows how to play football. Doucouré is beyond useless.
These are absolutely here for the taking. Put them under pressure. Keep putting them under pressure. Then put them under more pressure.
I can't understand why we aren't using Calvert-Lewin more. Put the ball up when there's nothing else on. Make Maguire and Lindelof sweat.
I honestly never thought I'd say this... Alex Iwobi is a grafter. He understood the situation before anyone else. If nothing else, he's having a go.
29 Posted 09/04/2022 at 13:23:25
30 Posted 09/04/2022 at 13:32:44
As for Pickford's kicking, well, he showed his quality with it today and nearly put Richi through. I am though concerned about some things that were frowned on when I played but seem to be let go these days. Things like putting your head down into danger used to be seen as dangerous play but now always goes against the player raising his foot, is the obstruction rule still part of the game and has tackling from behind again also been sanctioned?
So far so good and let's keep up with having a shot when the opportunity arises.
31 Posted 09/04/2022 at 13:34:53
Pickford has made a couple of top saves but that crass that came in was his all day long and he pulled out halfway. The save just after made up for it but he gives me the sweats.
Lot of luck with the goal so just need to keep battling against this average Man Utd side. Oh, can somebody tell Calvert-Lewin that he's still jumping 5 minutes too soon.
32 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:26:31
33 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:26:52
34 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:27:13
Fabian Delph... what a performance. Mykolenko and Godfrey, take a bow. Pickford, is right lad. Iwobi, keep playing like that and we'll love you.
Don't let it be a one-off. Repeat.
35 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:29:22
36 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:31:14
Give your all and we'll respond.
Iwobi was my Man of the Match. Pickford close. But to be honest, that was an incredible effort all round.
37 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:32:02
38 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:32:47
39 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:33:05
40 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:34:03
Also, I think we, again, saw why Pickford is our No 1 and Frank got the subs just right. Not the greatest performance that could be hoped for but the most welcome of points.
We live to fight another 8 games!
41 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:34:14
Regardless of the Burnley result tomorrow my god did we need that. What a result!
Got 11 days to rest and focus on Leicester. In the meantime, thank fook for that!
42 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:36:22
43 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:38:57
Biggest improvement, Delph and Allan in midfield gives better balance with more quality, composure and tenacity. Iwobi compliments it in his midfield role and is improving game after game, For me, this was his best game for us because of his graft.
The midfield functioning better gave the defence some respite. They all did well, especially enjoying watching Mykolenko improve week after week, what a buzz to see him getting stuck in and enjoying himself.
Pickford showed why he is undisputed England No 1. He has his failings but not many keepers should have made all three massive saves today. Match winners!
Also Gordon and Richarlison, heart on the sleeve stuff, giving their all for the cause. Calvert-Lewin can get sharper in the next 10 days, we need him fully fit and doing his job.
It's a big step in the right direction, more hard work to be done, but now we can see there is real fight. Onwards and upwards. Come on, you Blues!
44 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:38:57
45 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:39:32
46 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:39:53
Fantastic captain's performance (despite not being captain).
The need for leaders. It is stark.
47 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:41:21
Hopefully win some more now, starting with Leicester.
48 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:43:10
49 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:43:35
Well done, team Everton!
50 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:43:44
51 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:46:58
52 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:47:29
53 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:49:07
For the first time in ages it looked like we had a proper midfield 3 – and what a difference it made.
54 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:50:21
I'm sick of the idiots both on here and in the media that either slag Pickford off or damn him with faint praise. Apart from a few weeks in the start season, he has consistently been world class.
His saves have kept us out of the Bottom 3 this season. Yet people still try to have him shipped out. Today, his reactions and his command of the box meant we denied some very good strikers the goal their supporters see as their right.
Apart from Jordan, Godfrey and Keane were outstanding. Seamus was, well, Seamus. Delph and Gordon must be hurting after all that effort.
And one final word for Alex Iwobi. He has come in for a lot of often justified stick since we signed him. But today he put in a fantastic shift.
Having to calm down now. My blood pressure is through the roof. But well worth it.
55 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:53:45
56 Posted 09/04/2022 at 14:57:34
57 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:03:49
58 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:05:39
59 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:05:54
We don't get much of them lately.
60 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:06:09
61 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:08:18
The Everton crowd should have been given the MOM as they were outstanding, cheering the team on, from start to finish.
But what a much better player Iwobi is when he plays in the centre of midfield. Clearly he is wasted as a winger or even as a wing back. Without the energy and drive of Iwobi, Everton could have been over 'run' in midfield.
Considering the amount of the ball united 'saw' throughout the game they were poor up front.
But it is good to see Pickford coming out of his goal to get something on the crosses he usually leaves to the defenders to clear.
62 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:09:26
A huge win and well deserved, hopefully results go our way this weekend, with a late bonus Sunday of City winning, to top our weekend off.
63 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:10:48
64 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:11:27
I thought Iwobi, Richarlison and Gordon were everywhere. They gave us the legs that allowed Allan and Delph to sit deep and give us a solid foundation. Keane and Godfrey were strong and decisive (even though Godfrey being drawn into no mans land for that late Ronaldo chance nearly cost us), and Mykolenko showed more encouraging signs (despite being one of the least convincing headers of a football thats ever played for us!). DCL - Im sorry to say - continues to be dross. His duel stats - in the air and on the ground - must have been ridiculously poor. I dont know how much longer we can risk playing with someone so out of form and fitness.
The best performance of the day for me was from Lampard. We were so shockingly poor defensively against Burnley, and the way we generally managed to avoid isolating players 1v1 against players like Rashford, Sancho and Ronaldo is a huge improvement. Well done.
65 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:15:30
66 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:17:38
I thought Delph did okay, but not a MotM performance for me. Seemed to pass a lot on sideways and backwards which is what other midfielders get slated for on here. Composed or simply taking the easy option. He did step past a few challenges but for me the big difference today is the defenders, for the most part, made all the right choices and put the effort in. Does Delph get the lions share of credit for that?
Some harsh criticism of Doucoure as well I think. He is a little flaky but he needs that defensive rock beside him so he can fly around the park. Its good that Alex Iwobi has been able to step up and play that role of carrying the ball out of a scrum in the middle and support the attackers. How often has Doucoure had the luxury of two genuine holding midfielders next to him.
Love to have the refs / VAR officials miked. Did Moss think there was no contact on Gordon and he just slipped? What did Madeley say about contact? Soft, but a foul anywhere else on the pitch.
67 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:17:44
68 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:23:08
Initially I was concerned. Keane made a few dodgy decisions as did the defence, forcing a couple of good saves from Pickford, who I thought was a contender for Man of the Match.
But as we settled, we had bite and composure in the middle of the pitch, something we've lacked. To those who promote "play the kids", I thought we demonstrated today what a wise and experienced head or two can provide. Delph and Allan combined gave the younger players leadership and confidence.
On the back of that, you saw improved performances from the likes of Godfrey. He hardly put a foot wrong. Amazing what a bit of guidance can do for a young player.
Some could quote me for saying that I would be pleased if Delph never played for Everton again. I have said that. But today, he was a contender for man of the match.
As was Anthony Gordon.
But may I give that accolade to Mykolenko? As he settles, he continues to impress me. And to think the "pitch forkers" were out after one or two matches claiming he was useless. Like Ben Godfrey, he is in his early 20s. Plenty of potential in both.
Great result but we're not there yet.
69 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:23:13
No more talk of managerial change, the manager got a reaction after Wednesday. Well done Frank!
70 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:23:43
71 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:23:56
Excellent saves from Pickford, excellent game from Richlison, the whole team did really well to put us back in the mix.
Lovely to see the relief on Frank's face.
72 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:25:14
73 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:25:48
A lot of positive shouts on here for Iwobi, Allan, Delph and Pickford and deservedly so. I only saw the second half in the pub( surrounded by frustrated Mancs) and with no commentary, but from what I saw, Richalison player a big part, keeping possession and winning fouls, a selfless performance. Should the Brazilian depart at the season end, I for one will miss him, I still dont think we are getting the best of him as he is often ploughing a lone furrow, especially since DCLs form and effort fell off a cliff. Anyway, onwards and upwards, well done you Toffees.
74 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:26:33
75 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:28:08
In the latest, Delph played almost a full game and Iwobi appeared in the guise of a genuinely good player.
Must get some pills...
76 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:40:38
77 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:47:50
78 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:49:44
79 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:52:03
80 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:55:20
81 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:56:52
Keanes stupid decisions to come out of position dribbling the ball in the first half on a few occasions, only to give up possession too easily, should have been punished but unlike against West ham we weren't.
The lack of pressing around the area giving Utd players to much time and space to deliver crosses and passes into the box would normally have resulted in at least one goal against mostly teams i.e. Spurs, Newcastle, Burnley recently, but somehow even the slack marking of Ronaldo near the end didn't result in us conceding a goal.
So we rode our luck at times but most teams do. I'm just glad Gordon decided to shoot. We have become a very shot shy team.
In general our passing and build up play has been poor all season. Today was on par and I'm grateful the defender's stayed back and the goalkeeper went long in the 2nd half.
A very welcome 3 points, at this stage and I reckon another 9 points could be enough. But are we capable of achieving it?
82 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:57:18
83 Posted 09/04/2022 at 15:58:05
Man Utd are a shadow of the Ferguson sides bit still have excellent players. We made them look very poor with our hard work and discipline. You could tell their big players didn't enjoy that game one bit.
Some really good performances be heavily criticised players such as Pickford, Keane, Mykolenko, Delph and Iwobi. Coleman and Godfrey too.
Indeed the only one really not up to it is DCL. The fashion is badly judged but presumably he's still struggling for fitness.
Still, the big plus for me is Lampard's tactics which were spot on today.
84 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:02:15
85 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:10:02
86 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:10:46
87 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:11:41
Anthony Gordon showed true grit all game except for that pathetic effort to get a penalty. I hate that behavior and he also could have kept the ball alive by staying on his feet. Hopefully Frank has a quiet word on that one.
Defense all battled well and Pickford saved us on a few occasions. He finally started to come off his line which was letting him down earlier.
Decent balance in midfield with a calm Delph allowing Allan and Iwobi to do what they had to. Some tired bodies tonight amongst the blue boys and they all deserve some praise and a few beers.
Always enjoy watching a star studded Man Utd team struggle so a great day all around.
88 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:14:49
89 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:18:28
90 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:20:39
91 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:21:25
haha I thought of you but it wasn't actually directed at you. More so comments I've been reading on Twitter
92 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:24:09
It took Godfrey a long time after covid. Maybe it's something like that.
93 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:24:34
Manager wouldn't play him surely if he was that out of touch with his fitness.
94 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:25:11
The home form under Frank is much improved. Only the Wolves result was disappointing.
We need that atmosphere and effort in all of the remaining home matches. Were nowhere near out of the woods yet but at least were still fighting and have a chance.
Can actually watch Match of the Day tonight. For once.
95 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:28:55
96 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:29:02
With luck these next two weeks will help. Just keep him away from London and GQ.
97 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:32:30
Right who's next ?
98 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:32:35
DCL is really poor. His lack of effort is the most disturbing thing. He is meandering around and not seriously challenging for anything. Why not start Deli as a false 9. Cant be worse than DCL.
99 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:40:25
100 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:43:16
Restricting Ronaldo to 1 half chance and our defenders mistakes not getting punished for a change makes a big difference.
The shape was right today, play with this mentality for the rest of the year and we will be ok.
Iwobi my motm, I have been one of his worst critics but credit where it is due. He looks the fittest player on the pitch.
101 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:44:03
Leeds are making themselves safe and Watford need a miracle to save themselves now. They have some really exiting players but never find the right pass. Hopefully that continues and we can take 3 points from them too.
102 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:47:54
103 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:54:46
104 Posted 09/04/2022 at 16:59:42
Still, a great result and team work. My motm was Mykolenko though so many did very well including the crowd.
105 Posted 09/04/2022 at 17:16:51
106 Posted 09/04/2022 at 17:22:01
No worries, we fought in the trenches defending Carlo for long enough to forge that camrardery.
107 Posted 09/04/2022 at 17:24:29
My MOM was every single one of them. GET IN.
108 Posted 09/04/2022 at 17:29:07
109 Posted 09/04/2022 at 17:29:09
Things look alot better now with more side that will give Everton space in midfield.
United are Everton only a year or two of the slippery slope.
110 Posted 09/04/2022 at 17:32:22
111 Posted 09/04/2022 at 17:34:27
112 Posted 09/04/2022 at 17:44:47
113 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:04:18
Nothing less than 3 points would have done today. The Leceister game in 10 days is equally huge, a chance for us to put back to back wins and I think after the Chelsea game if we are on 31/32 points that takes huge pressure of the players knowing full well another 3 or 4 points required from the remaining 5 fixtures will see us though.
I don't think we see players making mistakes and being apprehensive in there play if we can be in that position going into those remaining final fixtures.
114 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:09:49
115 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:11:16
116 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:11:24
Football is much more enjoyable under Frank and his pressers are refreshingly honest and sincere.
A proper mf with Allan back makes a big difference to our effectiveness but I still worry about our ability to score goals from open play. Where are you Dominic?
117 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:14:58
All our home games are very winnable. The away form needs sorting, if only for draws.
118 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:24:02
Sorry folks, know I was wrong after that. Hes fuckimy trotting…..wtf Dom???
Rest of them, especially Iwobi, Richie, Myko and Jordan…..well done boys!
119 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:28:41
Big shouts to Delph and Myko who had excellent games, Richy ran his socks off as usual but just lacks that killer instinct - I imagine we will lose him soon and he will thrive with better quality around him. Iwobi also played really well and deserves to continue in the middle, even got some robust challenges in and he may yet prove worth the money we paid.
I was knocking Dom during the match with many others but he is clearly still not fit yet after some horrible injuries, I still think he will come good again though but will need to improve if he wants to move on to bigger things. Pickford also made a couple of really good saves.
Feeling a lot more positive today! Keep on playing with the same aggression and commitment and we will be ok this season.
120 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:29:16
United seem a group of individuals rather than a team. Icing on the cake would have been a red for petulant and anonymous Ronaldo. Great player but hard to like.
121 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:29:18
122 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:30:27
Could of done with Watford and Leeds drawing, but lets hope we string some results together now.
123 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:43:26
Seamus - had an excellent game and it was delightful to see him carrying the ball up the field near the end of the match showing that the legs are still there, I think he may have also fittingly made the final clearance of the match?
Allan and Delph together were a great pivot and provided leadership, Delphis cool head was incredibly welcome often during the match abs he was the main ‘organiser.
Keane had a good match, despite his naysayers.
Pickford over Begovic every time, Begovic looked weak and pretty pathetic at QPR IMO.
I thought Lampard got most things right today.
124 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:49:29
125 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:57:04
126 Posted 09/04/2022 at 18:58:58
127 Posted 09/04/2022 at 19:03:37
128 Posted 09/04/2022 at 19:10:36
DK #97, love ya, mate, glad you had such a joyous day out.
Danny #68, amen re Mykolenko. Earlier this week some dim bulb here shared his conclusion (after 400 minutes on the pitch) that the kid was a failure and would never contribute. I responded with some mild sarcasm. Next time I won't be so mild. The kid can PLAY. He's better than his predecessor already, and has many years ahead.
129 Posted 09/04/2022 at 19:16:00
130 Posted 09/04/2022 at 19:20:20
131 Posted 09/04/2022 at 19:24:49
I made the same observation at the time. That was phenomenal running for the team and, if he starts to match that application with his passing, he may turn out to be the player we hoped for...
132 Posted 09/04/2022 at 19:27:26
Been really surprised with Iwobi in the last few games. He's been excellent other than his mistake against West Ham. He's been brave in possession and worked his socks off. Maybe there is a player there after all.
Finally if you are still doubting Pickford when he's our only genuinely top-class player, you really haven't been paying attention for 18 months.
133 Posted 09/04/2022 at 19:44:11
I think Ashley Cole deserves some praise because Mykolenko has become far better since he has been working with him.
134 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:00:37
He's also the fastest left back I've seen at Everton, and in a team generally lacking pace, that helps a lot.
135 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:07:31
That gobshite Ronaldo couldn't contain himself, snatched the phone and threw it to the deck – what a prick!
136 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:11:01
He's had enough time to get back to full fitness by now and hasn't improved at all. Hard to justify his continued selection when he offers nothing currently.
The only cloud today though, well done to everyone else!
137 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:19:58
I can't imagine what's going on in his head or how he's doing it but there's some steel there. Now performances are improving too. Good luck to him, I really hope he succeeds.
138 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:22:20
A great comeback after the midweek disaster. The players showed a lot of character and we may have found our best midfield combination. Good to have some options in the middle of the park for the next one with Doucoure and presumably Van de Beek available.
I thought Godfrey played really well today and showed a lot of guts after his late howler against Burnley. Apart from the opening nervy 15-20 minutes at the back, we were good value for the win.
There is some talent after all in this squad, just need to build confidence.
To those calling for Begovic; take your head out of your backside, give it a wobble and open your eyes. Pickford was brilliant today and showed exactly why is both Everton and England's number one.
Great shout regarding Dele as a false number 9, I said a similar thing to the bloke sitting next to me today.
Finally, Sean Dyche may have just done us a favour with his comments about winning, well done Frank for taking it on and proving him wrong.
Oh, and the support, absolutely fucking fantastic!
139 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:23:43
If the report Michael sites is true and not pond-scum journalism, and the players are really not sold on Frank Lampard and questioning his ability to guide them forward, they can all seriously just fuck off.
How many managers does it take to understand the players need to man up and get this done?
If true, do yourself, a bright young and energetic manager full of potential, and the fanbase a huge favor and honestly shut the fuck up!
What idiot would say such a thing in the middle of a relegation battle anyhow?? God above the balls to even think of going public with something like that!!!
140 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:24:35
Re Dominic, I'm a fan of his but, whether he is ill or off-form, he is a handicap at the moment, doing precisely nothing to help the team. He should be the first line of defence but ambles rather than runs about and offers less when we are on the attack, he should be omitted until he proves his fitness; I, can't believe he has just given up.
The other players made up for Dominic today with very good performances from Pickford, especially with him coming out and attacking the ball, Delph bringing calmness and experienced defending to the team along with Allan. The Ukrainian showing continued improvement, Keane more aggressive after a nervous start, Godfrey making up for his Burnley mistake by playing aggressively and bravely throughout the game.
And finally Iwobi, who has gone from being someone you didn't want near the team to a player most want to continue in his new all-running, with purpose, role as the man to find and give the ball to. I think he has had a heart transplant, that's how bad he was before this recent transformation, and long may it continue, a nice start to the weekend.
141 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:24:41
What a needed three points. The players (sans a few I won't mention to stay positive) gave their all and they deserved that result.
Loved the game today. Well done Everton.
142 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:26:04
143 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:26:23
Be well friend! To your health, be well, dude.
144 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:30:24
I agree and tend to think so. Bollocks of the highest order.
But my word did that absolutely trigger me! The nerve if that's true!
Jeez I saw red when I read that.
145 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:32:47
146 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:36:26
I got a bit excited and for whatever reason lumped for Begovic myself; I will hold my hands up.
I still think we should start with Rondon though, use Calvert-Lewin from the bench, and please keep Iwobi playing more central behind the strikers instead of out wide on the right.
147 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:43:51
Whether it is Dele as a false number 9 or Rondon as a direct replacement, I think Frank needs to try something different. Richarlison and Iwobi ran their socks off while Calvert-Lewin sauntered about. Real shame because he is much better than that.
148 Posted 09/04/2022 at 20:46:07
With 8 games to go, there is no way I am prepared to accept we are safe.
We have to keep our heads. Stay focused.
But what a performance today. I've no idea what is going on with Dominic Calvert-Lewin, he is just not at the races. But every other player was heroic, battling for the cause. And credit to Jordan Pickford - I would have seriously considered replacing him with Begovic. Wrong again.
It was a very long 95 minutes, but on days like today being a part of Goodison, with my son and grandson in the stadium, is just wonderful.
149 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:03:21
150 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:05:02
Should be more than enough for Leicester.
151 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:06:02
Hopefully Frank will have learned from today that too much possession is at times an embarrassment for our players. Setting up to keep the opponents out makes us more likely to grab a win.
Richarlison, Iwobi and Gordon all put a tremendous shift in as they always have done. Delph and Allan kept the door locked in midfield but the player I was most pleased with was Mykolenko who was one of our best on Wednesday and very much looked the part today. If he can be more consistent with the quality of his crossing, he might prove to be better than his predecessor.
As regards Calvert-Lewin, he seems to have lost a yard of pace as well as the timing of his leaps since his return. In mitigation, he has missed a lot of football this season and three games since Sunday will have tested his match fitness.
152 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:21:27
Yes, that's what being a football fan is all about, isn't it! Gloating at the anguish of players who are probably not going to get qualification for the Champions League when your own team are still on the precipice of a truly disastrous relegation.
If I saw an Evertonian whose perspective was so warped, I'd probably give him both barrels as well. It is possible to enjoy a performance and result without relishing the opposition's disappointment enough to want a permanent reminder. Something that used to be called sportsmanship, that is very sadly seemingly nearly extinct.
Maybe I'm old school but I'd go along with the convention that we can be ‘merciless' to their fans all the time and the players during the game, but as soon as they leave the pitch they should be left alone.
153 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:25:39
What he can do is what he's done the last few games. When James was here, he was never gonna get that job. Now James has gone, he can... although he isn't as good, obviously, so will have ups and downs – but that's his best role.
154 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:27:12
We really need to stop the way we conduct transfer business and revert back to a more measured considered approach. The right personalities etc.
Anyway, a good result today. Two more and a draw should be enough.
155 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:27:55
If I'm being honest, I'm not really a fan of his red bra either.
156 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:32:38
And if the opposition can predict your formation, so what? Let them wory about us not the other way round. We can predict how they might respond to our formation and be prepared for that. Again, cf the other lot.
157 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:34:23
158 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:36:51
Anyone seen the photos of mina in the tunnel after the match, proper player, all the players loving him. Mina is our captain, hes comes back we are sound
159 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:39:45
160 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:47:36
DCL has been a veritable workhorse up until his bad injury this season. He has been a continual nightmare for opposition defences, and has never done anything to warrant criticism in terms of attitude.
The incessant focus on his non-football activity of modelling, the criticism of him for it, is both puerile and extremely tacky. Anyone who focuses on it in this way needs to get a grip, shut the fuck up, and behave like an adult.
Trouble with some supporters is that, no matter how much effort a player has become renowned for, as soon as they hit a spell of bad form (which happens to every player), they become a target for utterly inappropriate criticism. Even Alan Ball and Howard Kendall were subject to it, and it needs to fucking stop.
161 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:55:08
Your'e 100% accurate.
And it's quite warm down here...
162 Posted 09/04/2022 at 21:55:20
163 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:02:34
This just makes me sad,how many more have done the same?
Makes me thankful that I was around to see something.
Most fellas now have seen fuck all after investigating money and emotions for years with no return at all.
Hang your heads in shame Everton, you are driving out fine supporters of this club.
Fuckin clueless and heart breaking!
164 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:12:08
So why do you think Lampard is sticking with DCL? Surely if his poor form is down to attitude...Frank would drop him? He has admittedly not great but other options?
165 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:13:35
He's a very strange player and I can't think of an equivalent. He has the best eye for a pass of our current players, he nearly put in DCL today.
He's still quite young and he's an asset.
166 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:13:38
167 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:14:40
Just my opinion though and no, I wont shut the fuck up.
168 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:16:13
169 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:16:58
170 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:20:17
171 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:21:44
You can sense a good team waiting to emerge from the dross. We just have to survive and that was a big result today.
172 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:23:23
173 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:24:15
There's "glass half empty" but you're more in the "knockin over a full pint" realm.
First on MOTD...woo woo!
174 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:33:36
175 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:41:48
176 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:44:22
He isn't the most talented. But throughout his career with us he's demonstrated an excellent attitude and hard work.
Personally I find the fashion sense a bit silly. Not quite as bad as Dele Alli getting introduced to the Goodison crowd looking like a startled crackhead, mind you. That didn't bode well.
But DCL was working hard, playing well and wearing fancy dress before the serious injury - so I suspect his form has more to do with the recovery from that injury than his penchant for denim jump suits.
You could fairly criticise the timing of it all. Comes across like he isn't focussed on the present crap situation - but on the radio today, Trevor Sinclair said that when you do photoshoots etc for magazines it can be months before they get published.
He's not Harry Kane, but he's very good when fit. So hopefully each game gets him closer to match fit.
177 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:53:29
You're. I know my contractions.
Paul Hewitt at 169 -
I agree. One swallow does not a summer make.
178 Posted 09/04/2022 at 22:56:55
179 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:09:19
180 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:10:19
181 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:15:10
What a prick he is. Some fan there all excited about the win, getting a photo to share with his mates on Facebook and the prima Donna acts like that.A new phone or indeed a match ticket might be pocket change to Cristiano but thats not the case for the average Joe The only upside to Phonegate is that one fan has a good story to tell and hopefully a few lads bought him a beer for his trouble.
182 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:22:02
Very good point. The gap between the best and the rest is now a chasm but the best as a group has shrunk. Essentially its just two teams, then youve quite a gap before Chelsea and Spurs. Then everybody else. WHU under Moyes are greater than the Sum of their parts, UTD the opposite, and Arsenal collectively have a Michael Keane like fragile mentality But you look at Palace just trashed Arsenal, thrashed us twice but overall theyve only won the same number of games we have
Tony Hill and Jamie Evans
Good posts on Iwobi I agree he is a funny one but he has his qualities
183 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:22:48
He's just a very poor loser, wish half of our team had his winning mentality.
184 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:22:53
185 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:25:09
186 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:25:41
Sorry just read the whole story it was a 14 year old at his first game. Fuck Ronaldo, Cantona went to jail for a lame Bruce Lee attack on a fat fascist. Ronaldo should get banged up for bullying and vandalism against a child. Absolute prick
187 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:26:40
How often have Everton players been criticised for not reacting badly to a defeat?
188 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:30:49
For us, like for Arsenal, Iwobi is very effective when used in certain ways, and less so when used in other ways. He seems to enjoy his role within the ways Lampard has been setting us up.
189 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:33:26
190 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:33:40
The service thing is 6 of one, a half dozen of the other for me. Ive seen times when DCL hasnt made the move away from the defender he should, or just hasnt gambled enough (or at all) on where the ball might be played into. Excellent example was when Iwobi played him in today but he just did not anticipate it. On his toes and gambling on the through ball I think he gets to that ball easily.
I do see a player gradually getting back to where he needs to be. He has had at least one significant injury since his first game back from the long lay-off and we dont know what other niggly set backs he may have had to deal with. He may just have an increasingly effective part to play in the rest of the season.
191 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:42:35
192 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:46:24
193 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:47:01
Maybe Im just an old cynic, but Im half expecting that this is not just a fan innocently taking photos; that it probably involves a lot of sneering / jeering and possibly even shoving the device far too close into someones personal space.
Of course players have to expect some stick and ridicule and should just ignore it, but equally 14 year olds may be better off learning that there are risks and potential consequences if you deliberately bait someone who is already pissed off.
Just because the Germans have a word for it doesnt mean that schadenfreude is a thing to be particularly proud of.
194 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:55:12
Unfortunately it is another area of the game where the referees total and unaccounted control leaves us with major inconsistencies.
195 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:58:19
196 Posted 09/04/2022 at 23:58:59
197 Posted 10/04/2022 at 00:08:24
I assumed the same as you when I read the headline, and imagined some scally mom saying “my boy aint a bad ‘un.” But as the other Si said the kid in question was simply an excited youngster who personally did nothing to bait Ronaldo The fans around him? Different story but this poor kid didnt deserve that
198 Posted 09/04/2022 at 00:08:44
I did go today and met Bill Griffiths and Jim Lloyd before. It was dry so we stayed outside, too noisy inside for me, not to mention wall to bar crowds of thirsty Evertonians. Slight bonus today, I was there today by courtesy of Stephen Vincent, who had his long-awaited knee-op yesterday, and I was two rows behind three mates I hadn't seen since my (living in) Liverpool days, and then I saw George McKane on my way back to get my lift.
I was over the moon today, not only with the result but the commitment shown by players, like many have said. Calvert-Lewin was the weak link and shouldn't have started in my opinion. One thing I would level against Frank, who I otherwise want to remain as manager, is his reluctance to have hitherto played the likes of Dobbin in Calvert-Lewin's position. Is he injured or what? He wasn't even on the bench!
If we can play all the remaining games like that today, talk of relegation will hopefully have evaporated, but basically we have played with more or less the same group of players. The big difference today for me was the pairing of the experienced Delph and Allan, who absolutely controlled midfield. I just hope they can stay fit and available for the rest of the campaign.
Like many have mentioned too, Mykolenko deserves a special mention after what he has been through personally, and too many had already written him off as 'another expensive' mistake. I think he answered the naysayers today with an imperious performance at left-back.
Overall, the knock-on effect of today will surely galvanise every one, but above all will breed the much awaited confidence that we should fear nobody!
199 Posted 10/04/2022 at 00:11:07
To your point, did you see in Portugal at Under-23 level, they're trialing a stopwatch system with 30 minute halves kind of like basketball. Seemingly only about 30 of the 45 minutes the ball is actually “in play” so it does raise questions as you say about “Fergie time”.
200 Posted 10/04/2022 at 00:15:55
This is what was posted earlier:
“As the United team traipsed off down the Red Zone between the Bullens and the Park End, an Everton fan was recording their miserable gobs on his phone.”
Personally, I honestly don't understand the ‘happiness' some seem to get from these ‘mementos'. I'd much rather have something that is actually positive.
I also really don't get feeling smug when they are pissed-off at possibly falling short of a Champions League berth whilst we have a hell of a scrap on hands to prevent being relegated.
If it was my kid videoing rightly disappointed players, I'd tell him to knock it off.
LIke I said, I'm not condoning Ronaldo, but personally I can relate to his annoyance more than I can to hankering after the dubious trophy of some miserable gobs.
201 Posted 10/04/2022 at 00:20:59
202 Posted 09/04/2022 at 00:26:10
Oh, would like to pass on some of this temporary joy to the Blue who predicted, with utterly appalling smugness, a 3+ defeat for our team. You must be gutted to be wrong.
203 Posted 10/04/2022 at 00:32:05
204 Posted 10/04/2022 at 00:33:42
I'm not too sure of the set-up but I'm surprised the fans can easily get within touching distance of the players. If Ronaldo has actually had to move towards the lad and extend himself to reach the phone, then he is potentially in serious trouble if the individual chooses to pursue things.
If the phone has been thrust towards the players, then it is still very wrong – but I'd still say it's something the lad maybe should have been taught to be wary of doing as soon as someone thought he was old enough to have a phone.
205 Posted 10/04/2022 at 00:40:38
Yeah. Basically every throw-in, free-kick, corner – the clock stops.
206 Posted 10/04/2022 at 00:44:03
I get your point. I was being melodramatic about locking him up. Not serious. But I think it was a bit crass to do what he did.
It appears he realizes that as he has now apologized and offered the Everton fan — free tickets to Old Trafford. Probably a sincere gesture but with club loyalties and how they're playing — rubbing salt into the wounds.
207 Posted 10/04/2022 at 00:52:29
But the next game is what counts, and there's no reason why Leicester can't be beaten by Everton.
208 Posted 10/04/2022 at 00:56:26
But not wishing to put a downer on it, I can't help wishing that the 3 points had come on Wednesday rather than today. Ironically if we had got two draws, we would now be 5 points off the drop zone, rather than 4 as it stands this evening with Burnley still to play.
I pray that the 3 points we gifted Burnley don't come back to bite us.
Made up today though. Knackered at 3:00 having played every one of those 97 minutes today, but still nervous as shit about the remaining games.
209 Posted 10/04/2022 at 01:02:40
Moving on in more light-hearted vein to Ronaldo and his tantrum, I recall my good self aged 15 attending Preston North End where, due to my dad's work, we lived for a few years back then. He and I used to attend PNE to get our football fix.
One evening match, PNE doing terribly, I bawled out my defamatory opinion of Alan Spavin, a stalwart and talented midfielder for years with the Lilywhites, when a player was receiving lengthy injury treatment. To my juvenile horror he heard me and walked up to me in the paddock and whilst stood next to me simply said, "Son, if you think you can do better just turn up tomorrow at the training ground!"
PNE won the match and I decided to try to concentrate on what I was good at.
210 Posted 10/04/2022 at 01:12:17
I'm Pickford's biggest critic, but give credit where it's due, he was outstanding today.
If Calvert-Lewin can somehow produce the form we know he's capable of, he's worth persevering with. But, if there is some underlying problem, then Lampard seriously needs to consider starting matches with Rondon. We still desperately need goals.
211 Posted 10/04/2022 at 01:59:41
Whether he should be starting at #9 is another question. Depending on the opponent and the situation, Frank may want to consider either Rondon or Gray.
212 Posted 10/04/2022 at 02:09:55
And I'd direct your attention to something I took note of when it happened -- around the 73rd minute, one of our guys got fouled (maybe Richarlison) in our defensive end. What with one thing and another, it was 61 seconds between the time the foul was called and the time Pickford launched the free kick. Supreme professionalism on Everton's part, but veteran referees keep track of that stuff.
So 5 minutes was just about right. And he whistled at 5:07, I believe.
213 Posted 10/04/2022 at 02:25:52
What you say is correct. But what I and I think Brent wonder about — not just in this game and in general — is the fact that we have hard and fast rules in IT, eg, 30 seconds per sub. But elsewhere in the game there's no actual clock watching or set rules.
The ball can be out of play for 20 minutes for various reasons but, unless there's a sub or someone stretchered off, then it's not given as additional time. Ergo, it seems kind of artificial and arbitrary to have set parameters for say subs when other interruptions are ignored.
But again, from my perspective, this isn't an issue specific to this game – rather an oddity about football in general. The only reason it came up today was, being biased, we all wanted the whistle blown asap.
214 Posted 10/04/2022 at 02:38:57
ps: Being the shameless biased hypocrite I am, I obviously didn't raise this point after the Newcastle game when we benefited from added time from the hangman – even though that incident probably wasted less time than the various corners and throw-ins.
215 Posted 10/04/2022 at 03:07:36
But yes, it is mostly arbitrary... the ref alone decides how much to add on for injuries and goal celebrations and six-fake throw-ins and the like. And I believe football is the only sport in the world that does it this way. One of its endless charms.
216 Posted 10/04/2022 at 03:25:56
It might have been me who said that about Calvert-Lewin's injury. I immediately saw it as a quad and a wasted year ahead.
You're never quite right until you've got back, then had another end-of-season rest and a pre-season where you know it won't just go again. It's a horrible niggling injury – you lose your speed, strength, and your confidence that you're fit again.
217 Posted 10/04/2022 at 03:44:53
As a person who lambasted Mykolenko after two games – and he was unequivocally abject – you set me straight and preached patience.
Robert #176, spot on re Calvert-Lewin. He has been a hardworking, committed player throughout his career. If he appears not to be so now, I find it far more believable that he is physically handicapped than that he has become lazy, given up on the club, or become a mental fashion model. I think that speculation is just plain silly.
I think you'll be proven correct. But in the middle of a relegation battle, watching him not press and be entirely ineffective, is it any wonder those of us who care become downright angry?
Brent and Kieran,
A "hard" clock is something I adore in footy. We do it here it Florida with our high school soccer. 40-minute halves, and the clock does NOT stop for throw-ins, but the ref calls for the clock to be stopped at injuries and substitutions. It's simply fantastic.
And the last 2 minutes on the clock then are frozen, and go to the ref to call time. He's in charge of the game, calls time, but everyone knows it's within 15 or so seconds of the final 2 minutes. He has the levity to not call time if there's a late corner, injuries in the final 2 minutes, etc.
It's absolutely fantastic and, yes, very American, but man I wish the world of soccer would warm up to it!
218 Posted 10/04/2022 at 03:48:45
I did go today and met Bill Griffiths and Jim Lloyd before. It was dry so we stayed outside, too noisy inside for me, not to mention wall to bar crowds of thirsty Evertonians. Slight bonus today, I was there today by courtesy of Stephen Vincent, who had his long-awaited knee-op yesterday, and I was two rows behind three mates I hadn't seen since my (living in) Liverpool days, and then I saw George McKane on my way back to get my lift.
You hit a ToffeeWeb grand slam today mate. Made me smile reading that! What a great day for you. Cheers.
219 Posted 10/04/2022 at 04:13:44
But well done, lads… maybe there's some fight left in them.
220 Posted 10/04/2022 at 04:13:48
Mykolenko is better than Digne already? He isn't. Delighted that he is finding his feet and looking like a player, but let's not over-egg it. If Digne had remained, he would be picked every week by Lampard.
The sale of Digne and the signing of Patterson and Mykolenko were deals to conduct in the summer, not while sinking fast in the league.
In January, we needed a commanding centre-half, energetic box-to-box midfielder and established right-back. Instead, we spent £30 million on these two young men. Patterson has played 45 minutes in the first team and Mykolenko is finding his feet in mid-April.
I agree though it is not the fault of the players and they deserve our support. They may prove great long-term signings.
As a result of our ridiculous January transfer business, we are 4th bottom while Newcastle – who signed Burn, Trippier and Guimaraes in the positions we needed to strengthen – are now 6 points ahead of us and 10 points clear of relegation.
221 Posted 10/04/2022 at 04:25:28
For those of you defending him, a lack of effort is indefensible. If he isn't fit, he shouldn't be in the team. His lack of effort is disrespectful to all those running their guts out around him.
He should not be selected, end of.
222 Posted 10/04/2022 at 04:29:50
I was working today so couldn't watch or comment on Mykolenko. But I agree, the Mykolenko and Patterson signings were not well-judged for January when we needed urgent improvement, not ones for the future.
223 Posted 10/04/2022 at 04:31:24
In my opinion, Delph and Coleman were only on the bench for an absolute emergency against Burnley because they simply were not fit. Burnley we're crap and, if it was not for childish defending, then we win that game.
Delph and Coleman made a huge difference yesterday against a much more dangerous opponent, so I don't see how Lampard is blamed for the Burnley game. He can't be out on the pitch with those players and if it's true those players are not happy with Lampard then they have probably realized they are not good enough for the game he (or any other manager) wants to play.
So yesterday we started to see some proper semblance of a balanced team with a steadying influence in midfield and also a very high-energy Iwobi putting pressure on the opposition. The defense dug in well and fought for every bit of space so that's where the big battles were won.
If anything, it was up front that let us down yesterday and I don't think Calvert-Lewin is mentally at the game. He is a target man for the pressure release so I assume Lampard is relying on the odds that Calvert-Lewin will click into gear.
So I hope, like myself, you all finally had a good Saturday night after watching us come back to life in our battle for survival. Hard to pick a man of the match but I'll go for Frank Lampard for somehow picking these players off the floor after the Burnley collapse.
224 Posted 10/04/2022 at 06:58:50
In comparison to Digne's form over his final 10 games with us, Mykolenko is better defensively. Much better. He's faster, quicker to the ball, closes down crosses way better, tracks runners better, man-marks more strongly on corners, and is just as good in the air.
He doesn't have Digne's attacking sophistication, but let's face it, Digne wasn't giving us anything in attack when he left. I stand by my assessment. We came out ahead already.
Our January transfer business was excellent IMO. Our net spend was about zero. We sold Digne for about what we spent on Mykolenko and Patterson. We got the "energetic box-to-box midfielder" you wanted on loan, and we'd have won at Burnley if he hadn't got hurt in the warm-up. Plus we got Dele Alli and El Ghazi without spending a dime, although they haven't worked out yet.
And I'm not gonna debate other teams' transfer business (especially those with newly unlimited Saudi budgets), but if you really believe £50 million for Bruno Benchwarmer (4 starts, one goal, looked like absolute shit against us) was good business, you're welcome to your assessment.
225 Posted 10/04/2022 at 06:59:41
Iwobi will never be as good as James creatively but he certainly outstrips him athletically. For a long time, I've thought he could make a decent attacking Zo 8 and I'm really pleased he is being played there with some success.
His work rate, as highlighted on MotD, was exceptional and it really helps us to have a player in the middle who can see a pass or beat a man whilst also covering a lot of ground at decent pace. If he keeps up these levels (a big if), he may start to make his transfer fee (not his fault) look less ridiculous.
So pleased with the 3 points. Couldn't watch as I was flying but a huge and needed result. Still work to be done but that belief will be crucial and the return of Mina will further boost our cause. If we could beat Leicester, that might give us a hint of breathing space before the tricky Liverpool and Chelsea double.
As good as yesterday was, I'd have preferred to beat Burnley and lose to Man Utd as we'd then have a 6-point buffer this morning. They look like our main rivals now, hoping Norwich get at least a point today.
226 Posted 10/04/2022 at 07:15:08
Ted @163, how can he walk out? How can he not go if he has the opportunity? Sorry, I can't comprehend. Give me that ticket any day.
Let's hope it's form with Dominic Calvert-Lewin. That or he's still not fully fit as opposed to his head being turned and thinking about where he will be playing next season.
Aperitifs at the Royal Oak now, Derek? The place is upping the stakes.
Burnley lose today, we break the 30-point mark against Leicester and get a result at Mordor. Let's get this wretched season over the line.
Everton win, Schalke win to go top of Bundesliga 2. The sun is shining over a Royal Blue weekend.
227 Posted 10/04/2022 at 07:19:54
Got to agree with you about Lampard as I thought that, after the Burnley outcome, he had to win this game.
I feel that Lampard is the right manager for our future and I am looking forward to the great footy that we will play but, for fuck's sake, we need to win the next 3 games in front of us.
We are Everton and we finally looked like a together team yesterday. While we got some breaks and we had good play, Man Utd didn't outclass us, they are shit imho, no balls, no steel, no class
Calvert-Lewin should have played 4-5 games with the Under-23s to get his fitness and timing back. This isn't working out and he can't continue to be picked when he's at 80-85% because he's not worthy of the shirt right now.
228 Posted 10/04/2022 at 07:52:04
Well done to Keane and Godfrey for showing real bollocks after recent errors.
Iwobi is a definite starter at present. I can't believe I am saying that but Frank has found a role for him.
Burnley have an easier run-in but we have more talent to call on than them.
Danny, I trust the dogs are full of it this morning.
229 Posted 10/04/2022 at 08:21:44
Also, I'm delighted that Iwobi is changing a few minds. The ability has always been there, getting chopped and changed has done him no favours. The energetic performance he put in yesterday was great to see. You don't play as many times for Arsenal and Nigeria if you haven't got something about you.
Delph was calm and assured, all of them put a shift in except for the off-the-pace Calvert-Lewin. Made up for Frank and I hope to see no more Big Sam shouts! UTFT!!!
230 Posted 10/04/2022 at 08:22:36
231 Posted 10/04/2022 at 08:23:29
Oh yeah, and I seem to remember us beating Newcastle on 17 March, a mere 24 days, or just over 3 weeks ago.
Maybe all this is irrelevant, but does it show how much the BBC think of us when ever their MotD commentators cannot even do a bit of research prior to commentating on our matches?
232 Posted 10/04/2022 at 08:56:20
The issue here is the readiness of some supporters to get quite nasty and personal in their comments, in this case in relation to DCLs modelling activities. Making personal pejorative comments is entirely inappropriate, and such people do need to simply shut the fuck up. They might not wish to, but they do need to.
233 Posted 10/04/2022 at 09:00:33
234 Posted 10/04/2022 at 09:13:37
235 Posted 10/04/2022 at 09:42:01
I just dont understand the constant criticism of Pickford. But for him yesterday we would have been 2 down early doors. There is a reason Begovic was available and thats due to his inconsistency.
Just nice to be able to read the posts again after avoiding all things Everton for a few days. But my nerves are still shot
236 Posted 10/04/2022 at 09:48:31
Jesus, give the kid a break - he just spent 4 months doing bugger all with a football so of course he's going to spend sometime concentrating on the modelling & fashion aspects of his life.
Did you all think he would just sit around at home in his dressing gown, instead of wearing it to the shops?
In a modern society where there's no real youth revolution, the things DCL does amount to exactly that. Fashion anarchy if you like - there's no youth movement now we have the Internet, it's saturated with bullshit so at least he tries to stand apart. I for one applaud that.
237 Posted 10/04/2022 at 09:51:35
He may not be 100% fit but he is definitely not 100% arsed either. That is indefensible considering our current plight.
Again, have a look at him being substituted yesterday. Arrogant doesnt even come close to it.
238 Posted 10/04/2022 at 10:05:22
Calvin Lewis is a strange one. His trying two careers that don't marry up. Looks like this modeling is full time. Going into games scared of getting a facial injury could be reason why his form has dropped.
239 Posted 10/04/2022 at 10:12:59
240 Posted 10/04/2022 at 10:22:31
241 Posted 10/04/2022 at 10:27:34
Even Alan Ball in season 70-71 was accused of caring more about his fancy white boots than about performing well for Everton, even though no other player could compare with Balls absolute commitment to the cause. Some people seemed to not notice the fact that he was knackered after the heat and altitude of Mexico 1970.
Some football supporters are very fickle, and some Evertonians fall into the trap. They need to get a grip on reality.
242 Posted 10/04/2022 at 10:40:34
243 Posted 10/04/2022 at 10:41:47
On Calvert-Lewin, I've said myself that something is not quite right. What that is, I don't know, but hopefully it's a temporary dip in form or fitness.
In his defence, being the Everton striker is an isolated job most of the time. Especially in this team where the defenders naturally sit deep, subsequently requiring the midfield to do likewise. And since Digne went, he doesn't have the supply that worked well for him as our wide players tend to want to cut in from the flanks rather than drive wide and get crosses in.
244 Posted 10/04/2022 at 10:46:52
No, but he got all that money for doing a specific job, so now he has made it, and on guaranteed money by virtue of his contract, doesn't mean he should not be interested any longer. Mind you all this Catwalk malarkey can't be helping, but he is not exactly doing it covertly either !
I felt personally, having been at the game, he shouldn't have even started, as he has glaringly underperformed since returning from injury, and more so yesterday in comparison to the other ten.
245 Posted 10/04/2022 at 10:47:54
DCL has been suffering from post viral fatigue syndrome and then a very nasty injury. Given our desperation he has then been rushed back far too quickly. Look at his record which is typically an incredible goal every 2 games. He is absolute class and his bad form is temporary. Please, enough of this ignorant criticism of players like Pickford and DCL, such criticism reflects badly on the critic not the player. Look yesterday at players who have been crucified by this ignorant criticism. Iwobi, Delph, Pickford and even the magnificent Coleman. They are like new players.
246 Posted 10/04/2022 at 10:54:17
DCL is struggling for form after a very serious injury. He deserves our patience as he has been a good player for us. Frank will drop him if he is not trying.
There is an awfully long list of players down our history who have been similarly criticised when in poor form. Someone mentioned Kendall( took terrible stick when he first arrived) and Ball. Harvey was brutally treated for a couple of years. Reid, Andy Gray,Ratters,big Joe - the list is endless. Yesterday we saw at least four very recent whipping boys show that they do care and that they can play- Delph,Iwobi and Mykolenko were superb whilst Godfrey played like a man possessed.
I accept that we all have the right to criticise but to write off a player as not interested after a bad injury just because he models some way out clothes is in my opinion unnecessary. Anyone who has experienced a bad injury will know that it takes time to feel 100% again and to have confidence that the injury will not return. He will get it back but the sooner the better.
247 Posted 10/04/2022 at 10:54:18
248 Posted 10/04/2022 at 11:06:45
249 Posted 10/04/2022 at 11:12:48
Obviously not fit enough to clap us match going fans.
A small gesture from players I know but personally speaking it is always something I appreciate.
250 Posted 10/04/2022 at 11:13:51
251 Posted 10/04/2022 at 11:18:13
252 Posted 10/04/2022 at 11:22:19
Like you say it means a lot to fans who may have travelled all day, (there and back) it's just a gesture of acknowledgement and appreciation. Even if it's unfortunately a losing game !
253 Posted 10/04/2022 at 11:26:32
Yet, something doesn't quite add up energetically.
He obviously has a strong feminine side.
Yet, we all know that to play football requires a lot masculine energy.
That's not to say footballers don't have a feminine side (we all do), but I don't think we have seen the necessary aggression (and maybe even desire) from Calvert-Lewin.
In some ways, it is consistent with his style of football:
Efficient in the 6-yard box, good in the air.
But do we see in him the brute footballing force of say someone like Lukaku (or even Rondon)?
Maybe at the moment, returning from injury and the negativity around the club is affecting his form. I honestly believe he cares – he knows how much the club means to the supporters. He said enough on his Sky Sports cameo.
Let's just hope he returns to goal-scoring form, whatever shape that may be.
254 Posted 10/04/2022 at 11:36:04
Pfft ! Not me, but just off to an Ann Summers Party ! 😜😂💙
255 Posted 10/04/2022 at 11:37:15
Those who judged Mykolenko after one match still astounds me. They must be better and more instinctive judges of football than me.
Not sure why there is a big fuss about the fashion thing. It's part and parcel of the game and has been for a long time. Way before David Beckham and the Premier League.
I remember the Peter Reid thing. I was at the home game against QPR in the Paddock and remember him boiling over and arguing with fans to the front of me because of the slating they were giving him. A sad way for an Everton great to be treated.
We reserve the right to criticise, but sometimes, just think, Blues, before your frustration gets the better of you.
256 Posted 10/04/2022 at 11:39:37
I liked the running and sprinting stats screen with Iwobi top of both tables in this match with 11.5km ran and 26 sprints. We had four of the top five distance runners and four of the top five sprinters. While the quality is lacking there is no shortage of effort. United fell short in both of those aspects yesterday.
257 Posted 10/04/2022 at 11:43:31
He's a big strapping lad who can put himself about on the pitch, and he's confident enough in his own skin to say that he likes to collect Chanel handbags - that's brilliant in my book. He's not trying to gloss over it by saying he's gender fluid or some other identity pigeonhole, he's just saying he dresses how he wants and feels good about himself. The strength to do that is impressive, especially in the toxic world of macho footballers.
Modelling a Chanel handbag is worth a thousand taking of the knee or rainbow lace virtue signalling gestures.
Meanwhile, he looks dreadful on the pitch and, like others on here, I think he's struggling to recover from whatever illness/injury he's had. The only question is whether Lampard should keep playing him so he can regain his match sharpness, or if we are better off leaving him on the bench until we're safe (if we are ever safe).
258 Posted 10/04/2022 at 11:47:34
Dominic has had a serious injury, he came back too early and suffered a reaction. He will not get up to speed for another 4 or 5 games.
We haven't been creating many chances and he needs 3 or 4 per goal. Perhaps he is being careful during the game, hoping to last the full match. Some suggest he has a bit of long Covid or post-viral illness. Frank had nothing but praise for him.
As for his modelling career, I think it is a mistake, just like his willingness to take up punditry during a lay-off.
In my opinion, players should concentrate on playing football, training and learning. He can have hobbies, of course but one only has to look at Rashford to see that even getting involved in worthy causes (unlike the fashion world) results in a drop-off in football success.
If Dominic wants to be the England striker and continue in the Premier League, then I suggest he concentrates all his efforts on making himself better. He has plenty to work on.
There will be plenty of time to pursue modelling and punditry in a few years.
Back to the game, Rob Halligan mentions these commentators and I'm sure the twit mentioned that Calvert-Lewin hadn't scored since (some distant date), not mentioning that 4 months of that he was injured. It sounded much more damning if that fact was conveniently forgotten.
Something I did recall though, was that against Newcastle, it was Dominic who played the perfectly weighted return pass which made Iwobi's task much easier for the winning goal, and at Burnley, as soon as Rondon came on to give some support up top, it was Domenic who laid off the little knock down for Rondon to almost equalise.
I think we would get more out of Calvert-Lewin if we got Alli or Rondon on to play off him. It might mean dropping Iwobi, Gordon or Richarlison, but it might be worth trying at least with half-an-hour to go instead of 3 flippin minutes.
259 Posted 10/04/2022 at 11:53:44
Pickford was our most important player yesterday, because he did his job properly. Nothing more, nothing less. we got a bit of luck, but the defensive concentration levels were definitely higher yesterday - right across the board, but until that one swallow becomes consistent - the calls to drop nearly every single player will continue.
Calvert-Lewin, his head might have been turned, but unless he's signed a contract for another club, then who would currently want him? I've seen him give Maguire a hard time many times before, but he never laid a glove on him. Watching closely yesterday, I don't think Calvert-Lewin is bending his right leg as much as his left when he tries to open up, so it's clear the kid isn't fit, even if it's subconsciously.
Keane is playing much better (after a shaky start) and Godfrey showed much better defensive concentration. Coleman defended, Mykolenko is still a worry defensively, but is improving all the time.
The midfield trio all complemented each other yesterday, keeping it simple, and more importantly all contributing, whilst Gordon (although naive at times – just my opinion) worked very hard for the team, even when dead (a great attribute) and Richarlison did the same on the other flank, but with a bit more experience (sometimes!) that kept engaging the crowd.
A massive win, so valuable, and although Goodison was very tense yesterday, it's value to Everton Football Club can never be underestimated, as I shiver thinking that the place of a thousand emotions hasn't got long left.
260 Posted 10/04/2022 at 11:57:54
Perhaps he was pissed off with being subbed? Pissed off with himself perhaps? When your form is shit, it's a struggle. Simple as that.
That's what bad form is, a set of circumstances largely beyond your control, which you nevertheless try to control because you're a professional, but can't control or struggle to control, and thereby become frustrated.
But some people tend to non-sequitar conclusions or gossip about players and their attitudes. Maybe that's why the media peddle so much shite, because too many people like to be immersed in it. Don't let common sense or real evidence spoil a bit of random opinion eh?
261 Posted 10/04/2022 at 12:13:37
Ronaldo has also had some stick, and will take a lot more for his actions. I'm definitely not condoning him, but playing badly and losing hurts, especially when you've got high standards.
262 Posted 10/04/2022 at 12:20:28
If only Calvert-Lewin would get a decent tweed suit and a pair of sensible brogues. Farewell blisters, hello Golden Boot.
264 Posted 10/04/2022 at 12:45:56
He says that the club has made him, that he will always try his best and that his goals will start to flow again.
Patience and support needed.
265 Posted 10/04/2022 at 13:07:43
Changing the subject, I see Merseyside police are investigating the Ronaldo phone incident.
266 Posted 10/04/2022 at 13:12:13
I remember drape jackets and drainpipe trousers, then mini-skirts (although I didn't have the legs for them), parallels, como's, tye and dye, loons, all sorts of crap. But that's fashion for you. It happens. Get off his back.
267 Posted 10/04/2022 at 13:15:45
268 Posted 10/04/2022 at 13:21:27
Richarlison stormed off the pitch at West Ham, kicking a bottle into the advertising hoardings on the way. Others came over to the away following. I didn't mind. Richarlison was clearly frustrated (on the back of Cresswell seemingly escaping a red). I don't mind a bit of passion and being pissed-off.
Dominic was a lone figure for long periods yesterday as he and anyone asked to play as Everton striker has been this season. Is it any surprise that he potentially isn't enjoying his football when you add in the other factors too?
269 Posted 10/04/2022 at 13:23:30
There is clearly an issue with Calvert-Lewin; if his teammates are calling him out for it, it's not only the fans on his back. Hope he gets it sorted out soon because, in these situations we find ourselves in, we need unity and everyone pulling in the same direction.
270 Posted 10/04/2022 at 13:23:44
271 Posted 10/04/2022 at 13:26:02
272 Posted 10/04/2022 at 13:36:39
273 Posted 10/04/2022 at 13:38:46
I listened to Lampard's interview after the game and it was obvious that, to at least half of the questions he had to answer, it was more like he was saying to the interviewer, it's not me that needs convincing.
I've definitely seen some green-shoots over the last 8 days, I just hope it's not my Everton-inflicted schizophrenia coming back!
274 Posted 10/04/2022 at 13:48:02
Most us had given up hope on Iwobi; now he looks a different player and seems to be enjoying his football more. Ben Godfrey is improving back to where he was, Mykolenko us getting better with every game; so yes, lots of green shoots appearing.
Just need to hold it together and keep the fantastic support going and we will be okay.
275 Posted 10/04/2022 at 13:48:51
Great post in my opinion. Spot on, I agree 100%.
276 Posted 10/04/2022 at 13:51:23
I saw the entire replay today at leisure, pausing and rewinding as I wished. Most of the points have been discussed; my observations:
What a fine hound player we have in our hands in Gordon! Unbelievable that this young lad is virtually undroppable.
What impressed me most – among other things – was his corner-taking ability. He took all of our 6-7 corners and he put every one of them in the 6-yard box, right in between the sticks. It did not result in a goal, but caused a panic among the Man Utd defenders.
Contrast that with the terrible corners that Digne had been taking for almost a 6 months, and then you appreciate that Gordon is a very rare player – a great combination of effort, skill and heart.
Comparing him with another home grown Everton player who was hyped by the media – Ross Barkley – Gordon possesses lesser skills and physical attributes but more than makes up for it by his sheer determination. Don't want to jinx the young lad, but long may his career flourish at Everton.
277 Posted 10/04/2022 at 13:55:29
I keep saying it, let's get this one over the line and re-group with those who deserve to be here and want to be here. Everton comes first. Always.
Leicester next then, subject to getting a ticket, a trip to the shoe box with a really big stand.
Paul, you've just reminded me of Saturday mornings at Hunts Cross Asda with women queueing for taxis in pajamas, slippers and curlers. Too far; a red line!!! Please tell me you don't sport curlers. Not that it isn't your right to do so as a free individual!!
278 Posted 10/04/2022 at 14:18:01
A good point about Pickford complaining about Dominic not challenging for the ball. Players should be pointing out each other's faults.
Jordan could have no complaints himself if his teammates had pointed out to Koeman, Silva, Allardyce, Unsworth, Ferguson, Benitez and Lampard about him being rooted to his line when corners, free kicks and centres have been flying through his 6-yard box for the last 4 years.
I hope he carries on like yesterday and continues to get off his line and start punching the ball away. That has been the one constant and justified complaint about him from many Everton fans since he got here, not the only one but the main one.
279 Posted 10/04/2022 at 14:20:22
280 Posted 10/04/2022 at 14:24:14
Lot's of silly comments about Calvert-Lewin, always remember the old adage about class and form, but having said that, he's way off the pace and, when you're battling for survival, it must be all hands to the pumps, so he should be used as an impact sub until he gets up to speed.
But it's interesting that none of the top 3 clubs play with a Number 9, even more interesting that Chelsea have Lukaku and he's a bench warmer.
Maybe take a leaf out of their book; okay we haven't got Salah or Sterling or Werner, but start with Gordon, Gray and Richarlison, which gives us lot's of pace and mobility.
Add to that a RS looking midfield (albeit nowhere near as good) with a Number 6 in Delph and 2 workaholics in Iwobi and Allan, and we just may have the basis of a reasonable team.
281 Posted 10/04/2022 at 14:29:15
Let's not forget he's only had one decent season.
282 Posted 10/04/2022 at 14:56:14
We must also start with a settled team with our most experienced players for us to start playing with a bit of calmness and to help our younger players along too... So Coleman starts for me. Allan will be a massive influence too.
As for Delph, we must wrap him up in cotton wool and give him only light training duties. Godfrey, Iwobi are both improving as the games go on, and Mykolenko is now finding his feet too.
Only Calvert-Lewin looks off it for me and needs to sit it out from now on in, Rondon needs to start to make life hard for the opposition centre-halves, he's strong and is good at hold-up play and can bring our more creative lads into play and create our chances from there.
As someone mentioned yesterday on the Live Forum, we do have the making of a decent side but we need to be braver and start believing in ourselves from now on... we can do this, Blues.
Oh, the home fans were simply a real credit to our club too yesterday, they got the lads over the line... again!
284 Posted 10/04/2022 at 16:03:47
285 Posted 10/04/2022 at 16:04:39
Dom's had one decent season (15 goals) and one really good one (21 goals).
Or did you forget?
286 Posted 10/04/2022 at 16:56:07
If we'd have won last Wednesday, we'd now be 10 points clear of them with a better goal difference. Three more wins, for us, would mean Burnley would need to win at least four and draw one assuming they had a better goal difference.
Two wins may even be enough. The margins are that tight. We must also ensure we don't lose to Watford!
Given an adequate service, Calvert-Lewin will score goals but he's not a natural striker. He very rarely scores one-on-ones against a goalkeeper. The difference in the last few games is he isn't chasing players down. In our current predicament, that is unforgivable and I'd have subbed him at half-time.
287 Posted 10/04/2022 at 17:22:03
I don't care what anyone says — he's not a natural goalscorer, in my opinion.
288 Posted 10/04/2022 at 17:39:01
Of course he's not a natural goalscorer. But he compensates with his physical gifts and work rate, and he has learned to anticipate well.
289 Posted 10/04/2022 at 17:55:13
Great to see Iwobi this motivated again. Let's hope Gray keeps pushing as he is a match-winner for us and the best player for us in the first 10 games of the season.
The team is much more fluid when Iwobi, Gray, Gordon, Allan and Richarlison are combining well in different combinations.
Beating Arsenal and Man Utd this season needs to be reminded before every game, matching and being cheated out of a penalty against Man City this season as the only difference, drawing and beating Chelsea in the last couple of seasons, and winning away at Liverpool last season shows that these players can do it if they go for it.
The same players that can be perceived as the problem have given the solution at the same time. I think Frank is getting us there.
290 Posted 10/04/2022 at 18:07:39
291 Posted 10/04/2022 at 18:36:45
Must not forget to thank Benitez for bringing what look like 2 decent full-backs for the future in exchange for one who doesn't rate defending.
292 Posted 10/04/2022 at 18:42:58
I'm not bothered about his modelling, provided it doesn't interfere with his training schedule.
Currently he won't force his way back into the England setup either. Head down, and prove the doubters wrong (me included).
293 Posted 10/04/2022 at 18:49:06
Benitez later apparently denied having anything to do with those signings, or wanting the players. No way of knowing the reality obviously, so much rumour.
294 Posted 10/04/2022 at 19:20:26
Also, good shout from Dave about Pickford, commanded his area well. That's been one of my little niggles – him being rooted to his goal line and not commanding his area better. Yesterday, he did everything right.
295 Posted 10/04/2022 at 19:44:18
Stop taking yourself down; I'm sure you looked quite fetching in your mini skirt!
296 Posted 10/04/2022 at 19:48:02
297 Posted 10/04/2022 at 19:52:34
Delph, Allan plus either Doucouré or Iwobi. Playing 2 holding midfielders is the way forward. Espcially for the away games.
The team sv Man Utd was the best balanced I've seen all season. Interestingly, Ancelloti played both Allan and Doucouré as 2 defensive midfielders and we were better away from home than at Goodison.
So away, play 2 holding midfielders – not Rocket Science!!
298 Posted 10/04/2022 at 19:55:47
299 Posted 10/04/2022 at 20:01:48
What I get up to on a Friday night when I'm on my own is my business, okay?
300 Posted 10/04/2022 at 21:28:41
The same team please next match against Leicester, Norwich beating Burnley today has given us the 4 point buffer back but we really need to pick up some points from the remaining away matches to ensure survival.
301 Posted 10/04/2022 at 21:37:19
But more than that, he's a serial winner and I think he's now a proper Blue.
302 Posted 10/04/2022 at 21:44:39
303 Posted 10/04/2022 at 22:29:54
304 Posted 10/04/2022 at 22:35:00
Although not the best team performance, individually they gave everything, We seem to play much better as a defensive unit when sitting back with a low block, the defensive screening of Delph helped too. Iwobi and Mykolenko were my two picks for MOTM, I was so happy for both of them and I thought Pickford was outstanding, how he held onto the shot from Pogba towards the end for a tap in and the Ronaldo shot could have went anywhere.
Sean Dyche has hopefully done us a favour with his comments, that might have a bigger influence that any Frank teamtalk, it should do, when another manager has a dig at your mentality you need to start asking yourself questions.
However I didn't realise how favourable Burnley's fixtures are. Whether I'm being pessimistic but they could get 15 points from that. I watched their game against Norwich today, they were unlucky.
I can see us getting a maximum of 10 points. I think we need to pull a result out of Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea and beat Palace, Brentford and Leicester at home to have a chance. I'm still not confident I just want this season over.
305 Posted 10/04/2022 at 23:08:22
306 Posted 10/04/2022 at 23:30:00
If we can keep them fit and suspension free and because of the transformation of Iwobi I cant see Doucoure, Holgate, Gomes, or Van de Beek getting a start any time soon.
I still want to see Rondon getting a start but it looks like Frank doesnt rate him.
307 Posted 10/04/2022 at 23:46:35
All season I have felt our work ethic as a team has led us to this. This squad has quality but like life you only get out what you put in. We are still in the hole but we can see daylight with a step on the ladder.
Need to continue with the mindset of working harder not who we are playing against. Perhaps the players have been guilty of this. I watched burnley today and they didn't match norwich' s work rate. Perhaps this surprised united yesterday?
Much work to do but yesterday was a start. Have a good week all!!
308 Posted 11/04/2022 at 00:16:48
Yes, I noticed the strange timing of Calvert-Lewin's jump too and have been focusing on that for a few times. Strangely, it seems he's trained to do that timing. When you think he'll drop, he's still hanging in there for a tad bit which the ball glances his head just before he drops. Maybe it's his way why he's been able to flick those balls time after time.
After last season coaching under Ancelloti, I think he focuses more on getting around the dangerous areas than just closing down and pressing. He probably saves some energy for the time when it counts most. But sadly, our crosses are so poor that never comes close to him. If we had Bruno Fernandes who can pass and cross accurately, he'd be scoring a lot of goals.
309 Posted 11/04/2022 at 00:39:34
But just stop it with the demands to drop him. His replacement, Rondon, is currently going through the phenomenon whereby he improves in reputation with every minute he doesn't play.
Calvert-Lewin plays if fit enough. Likewise Pickford and Richarlison... both of whom have had similar suggested alternatives over the last few weeks.
310 Posted 11/04/2022 at 00:57:29
311 Posted 11/04/2022 at 02:41:05
We are always better with a back 4. No more back 3 (or 5) for the rest of the season.
We are better without the ball (maybe Benitez had a point) and I think Frankie has finally realised that. So, maybe our tough run-in might actually be a good thing.
Team structure is often as or more important than individual players.
3 in midfield works well. We've desperately missed a No 10 all season and Iwobi is doing a good job trying to fill that role.
Great performances all around as noted by many above. I was particularly impressed with Mykolenko who seems to have really settled in. We actually looked more vulnerable down our right side.
312 Posted 11/04/2022 at 05:49:41
But telling was Duncan's passiveness. Whilst everyone was buzzing, he seemed resigned. Maybe I'm over-analysing?
Best header of the ball? I challenge you Sir. Bob Latchford, Graham Sharp and dare I say, Derek Mountfield?
313 Posted 11/04/2022 at 09:34:06
Chris #304 - Agree with you, but most teams at some point put a run together, look at Newcastle, Leeds and Brentford recently. They have the fixtures there to be able do it.
Finally, on Calvert-Lewin, when on form he can be a real handful and a huge benefit to the side if it is built around him. Like last season Carlo had him playing like Inzaghi, he made a big thing about finishing with one touch as James and Digne put them on a plate for him.
I think Carlo was good at this, getting players to play to their strengths, doing things they can do well. Calvert-Lewin rarely scores when he controls, sets himself up and places one in the corner, he doesn't score from outside the box, he doesn't often strike the ball cleanly and if not being fed service I can't think of many goals created on his own.
My point is he's not the all-round striker people think he is (mainly outside the club). This side isn't built around crosses in the box at the moment, he gets little service, let's be honest, and he isn't benefitting from the set-up. Saying that he at least needs to put in the effort and close people down. He looked angry on Saturday but didn't channel it into his game.
315 Posted 11/04/2022 at 09:51:24
You rightly say Calvert-Lewin is out of form, but you ask fans to stop with the demands to drop him. What a strange analogy... so, if you don't want people who are out of form dropped, under what circumstances do you judge whether a player should be dropped to the bench?
Danny in post 312 mentioned Ferguson's poor body language. Maybe, with him being side-lined by Frank, maybe not having his mentor working with him has upset Calvert-Lewin?
But with a club fighting for their lives to stay in the Premier League, you need everybody giving their all and so far that doesn't look the case with Calvert-Lewin – and probably why Lampard decided he was the first to be subbed on Saturday.
316 Posted 11/04/2022 at 09:59:22
Ferguson does come out for the players' warm-up but doesn't do anything – just stands around having no input at all; it's mainly Clement and Cole working with the different groups.
Obviously Lampard sees no position in the coaching set-up for Ferguson and it's embarrassing watching him during the warm-up, might be an idea if he didn't come out for the warm-up to spare the embarrassment.
This is what happens when managers are forced to still employ people who they have no intention of having any coaching input on the team.
317 Posted 11/04/2022 at 10:03:17
It's Leicester next and they are in a good run of form at the moment. If Mina and Van de Beek are ready to rock and roll, then they should start instead of Keane and Delph. This gives us the option of starting Delph in the derby match on the Sunday.
Whatever about Seamus playing two games in a short period of time, I can't see Delph doing so. In any case, a Delph and Allan combination lacks mobility.
318 Posted 11/04/2022 at 10:11:40
319 Posted 11/04/2022 at 10:13:51
I agree about Calvert-Lewin, Class? To me, he's just a bang-average footballer who uses his pace and physical attributes to make up for what he lacks skill-wise. He was fucking hopeless on Saturday and has been since all the creativity he thrived on has gone.
This fella is not going to create anything for himself or suddenly start knocking 25-yarders in as he doesn't have it in his skill set. Personally, I couldn't care less if I never see him in a blue shirt again.
320 Posted 11/04/2022 at 10:46:30
I can't wait for the transfer window and all the top clubs fighting to sign him for £50M plus. In my dreams...
321 Posted 11/04/2022 at 13:23:32
But we really don't. There's Rondon who is proven, but not in a good way. There's Richarlison who is wasted in that position. Then there are youngsters who are completely unproven at this level.
If he's deemed fit enough, he'll play.
The way we're playing at the moment a striker is important, but they're not going to be asked to see much of the ball. We need someone who can occupy defenders and maintain our shape. Calvert-Lewin gives us that.
I'm struggling to comprehend why people are surprised that Calvert-Lewin wasn't involved more. We had 30% possession. Most of that in our own half. We don't cross the ball. We don't create much at all and that's been the case for most of the season.
I don't doubt he's out of form and struggling for fitness. But who on earth would shine leading the line for us right now? He's being asked to do a pretty selfless job.
322 Posted 11/04/2022 at 14:19:15
To the Everton list of great headers (in my time), we could add Tim Cahill and Joe Royle, who also had the knack of hanging in the air before the ball arrived.
323 Posted 11/04/2022 at 14:23:49
The days of the big forward "bullying" defenders are over because they are big lads and will bully right-back. These days, if you want to get anywhere, then pace, passing and movement is the way to go. Plus we are going to need a lot more goals from our midfield.
Lampard was a goal scoring midfielder himself so I'm sure he sees our almost total lack of goals from midfield as a big problem that needs solving if we don't want to find ourselves in this position again next season.
324 Posted 11/04/2022 at 14:32:33
Someone mentioned about Dominic jumping early. It is a forward's trick that is coached. To get the flick or to make it look like a foul (being climbed over).
Conversely, defenders can be instructed to jump late. I was taught that because you take a ball to the head or face but provide a block.
It's a generational thing, but I'm still going for Derek Mountfield and that semi-final winner at Villa Park!!
325 Posted 11/04/2022 at 14:49:42
326 Posted 11/04/2022 at 15:42:16
Tami Abraham was another we could have looked at.
327 Posted 11/04/2022 at 15:45:25
328 Posted 11/04/2022 at 15:49:43
I can't be 100% sure, and at work so can't check, but Frank Lampard has probably scored more top-flight goals than any Everton player (since the war). The nearest I can think of are Alan Ball and Joe Royle. Frank also got a good few for England.
I hope he stays (no matter what happens this season).
329 Posted 11/04/2022 at 16:16:19
330 Posted 11/04/2022 at 16:35:57
During that jammy two seasons where the ball hit him and bobbled into the net 36 times, he must have been the luckiest person ever to wear a football shirt.
331 Posted 11/04/2022 at 17:33:10
Well that was a little of track, now back to our next match, if we can get a win and get at least a point across the park, that can put us in a much better position, oh to take points across the park, to help us and deal them a big blow in the title race, it could not happen, could it.
Anyway I will be down for the Leicester game, so if anyone wants to meet up Lime street before the game, or the oak, give me a shout closer to the game, be good to catch up with a few again.
332 Posted 11/04/2022 at 17:38:40
333 Posted 11/04/2022 at 17:45:55
334 Posted 11/04/2022 at 18:00:11
See you there Brian.
335 Posted 11/04/2022 at 18:47:04
336 Posted 11/04/2022 at 19:06:10
Oh to have had Lampard in Midfield a few years back!
337 Posted 11/04/2022 at 19:14:08
338 Posted 11/04/2022 at 19:17:33
Joe you did miss out Dave Hickson and John Willie Parker who both scored over twenty five each but in our promotion season from the second division in 1954 and Big Ears Linacre in his one season with us, was it forty two goals cup and league.
339 Posted 11/04/2022 at 19:41:44
340 Posted 11/04/2022 at 19:42:44
341 Posted 11/04/2022 at 19:46:57
342 Posted 11/04/2022 at 19:58:33
343 Posted 11/04/2022 at 19:59:14
344 Posted 11/04/2022 at 21:01:00
345 Posted 11/04/2022 at 21:27:27
Danny additionaly Greame Sharp did not manage 20 league goals in a season. I used to have the stats way back in my 20s. What he did do though was score some crackers including my first Everton match v Spurs. Adrian Heath got us a few also of course. The team mid 80s had goals allover the pitch.
346 Posted 11/04/2022 at 21:33:09
347 Posted 11/04/2022 at 21:33:24
Had a nice chat with him, though my lad was laughing at me saying he'd never seen me so starstruck! What a player he was. Through 84-88 not many could touch him. True legend.
348 Posted 11/04/2022 at 21:40:58
349 Posted 11/04/2022 at 22:21:33
350 Posted 11/04/2022 at 23:48:19
Rondon did get himself fit and Frank played him in the cup. I know they were a non league side but you can only ask a striker to score goals and he did - 2 of them.
Then he played for his country and score a cracking hatrick.
In my opinion he is a viable alternative and would do well with supply from the likes of Iwobi, Van de Beek, Gordon, Richarlison, and Gray.
Richy proved yet again against Utd that his best position is on the left so we need a centre forward scoring goals - goals win games and we need 11 points from a possible 24.
If I was Frank ;) I would give Rondon 60 minutes against Leicester and then bring DCL on (unless Rondon is on another hatrick or knackered). Bit of man management.
I will be surprised if he does though - he is hoping DCL will play himself into form.
351 Posted 12/04/2022 at 06:18:53
352 Posted 12/04/2022 at 10:46:23
Alan #351, I believe it's to do with the number and size of the panels on the ball?
353 Posted 12/04/2022 at 14:27:08
Eric, I recall the panels in caseys becoming hexagonal around the 66 World Cup, panels previously being rectangular. Maybe the change in shape influenced the bendability when shooting, making ‘banana shots easier? Maybe all to do with spin, like with a golf ball dimples.
354 Posted 12/04/2022 at 22:43:26
It would have benefitted him and Everton if he had a few U23 games before reintroduction – it's what we would have done a few years ago. It would also have increased the 'competition' for places.
Thank you Mr Lampard for the removal of Holgate – it stopped the non-stop careless pass out that resulted in seemingly endless attacks on our defence which we have seen in every other game Holgate has played in.
DCL should remember no man can serve two masters: football or fashion. Beckham started in fashion at the end of his playing career. Many other footballers have lost their way by spending excess time and attention either playing computer games, drinking or gambling. You are ideal for fashion at the moment because you had a great last season. Watch the fashion calls dry up when you are scoring 5 goals a season. No sign of Tom on the fashion scene at the moment after his absence due to his knee injury… take note.
355 Posted 15/04/2022 at 14:58:20
I think it was over Christmas period, at Elland Road. A ball was knocked in from deep, on the right towards the near post. Big Joe dived and glanced a beautiful header in at the near post.
I'm sure we lost 2-1. But was it 69 -70 (in which case, it was bearable) or the following season. 🤔
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