Fabian Delph is ruled out with a muscle injury
Everton went ahead early through a flukey goal claimed by Calvert-Lewin, only to have Branthwaite and then Rondon dismissed as they twice gave up the lead to Eriksen's brilliant orchestration for the vsitors.
Other results earlier this afternoon meant that a win would keep Everton above Leeds Utd and outside of the relegation zone in the three-way battle for 18th place, with two more games to play.
Everton are without Fabian Delph after he was ruled out with a muscle injury. Allan is only on the bench with Gomes getting a starting berth.
Ben Godfrey and Donny van de Beek are still out injured. Demarai Gray is dropped to the bench. Dominic Calvert-Lewin starts for the first time in more than a month, while Jarrad Branthwaite makes only his third start with Mina, Godfrey and now Keane all out (Keane ill overnight).
Another packed and highly vocal Goodison Park did their utmost to create a tremendous atmosphere leading up to Gordon's kickoff. Everton got the all forward well and Mykolenko won the first corner. Mykolenko sliced the clearing header wide.
A long ball forward for Everton is headed on by DCL, Richarldion touching t on to Gordon whose chip is patted up by Raya, Richarison heading the rebound inches wide of the post. A glorious chance that should have been a goal.
A silly free-kick is given up at the other end in a very lively start, Ekiksen's brilliant ball in headed just over by Toney. Bak at the other end and Richarlisn waves his foot at a high ball from iwobi, driving it wide.
Gordon did well to get around the back but a typical cross from him, defended behind, and the corner delivery not good enough. A tremendous one start to the age for both sides. Gordon, gambled on a sandwich move and went down dramatically, winning a free-kick and a yellow card for Sorensen.
From the free-kick, Richarlison bobbles it into the Brentford net, with Calvert-Lewin claiming it brushed off his chest before crossing the line! A tremendous start as just reward for the fantastic Goodison crowd.
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In the Euphoria, Everton's players had to buckle down and stay alert as Brentford looked to benefit parasitically on the crowd noise filling Goodison Park.
Richarlison claimed his shirt was pulled but Brentford cleared the ball and Branthwaite tangled with Towney and was immediately shown the red card as the last defender. The VAR made no move on Richarlison's claim, and so the red card stands.
Eriksen fired the resulting free-kick superbly over the wall and inches wide of the post. Reduced to 10 men, Everton resorted to regard action as Brentford looked to take advantage. No changes from Lampard.
Doucore did well to start a break but Norgaard decided to stop him for a yellow card. the free-kick from Pickford was ridiculous, straight out of play.
But the mistakes were starting to appear in the depleted defence, Iwobi coming across to clip a dangerous ball inches over the Everton bar. In the next Brentford attack, Gomes played a clearance straight to Jensen who struck it across goal.
Richarlison collapsed dramatically under pressure, staying down for ages and getting his wrist well wrapped for good measure. Gomes produced a nice strike on target from a long way about that drew a fine leaping save by Raya.
But from a Brentford corner, they kept the ball alive and Wissa'a cross clipped off Coleman past Pickford for an equalizing own-goal.
DCL tried to advance with the ball and was taken out by Ajer (yellow card). From the free-kick, Gordon could not fashion a shot but Doucour'é's was miles off target. Meanwhile, Jensen got his shot on target at the other end, forcing a Pickford save.
Mykolenko went on a great run but Richarlison could not get out of a four-man cul-de-sac. At the other end, a fantastic ball over the top from Eriksen was met well by Towney but Pickford anticipated well. Then Jensen fired in a wicked curler that Pickford got across superbly to save well.
Richarlson challenging in the Brentford area, feels a touch from one of two centre-halves and collapses in a heap. Michael Oliver incredibly says penalty. Richarlison insisted on taking it, stutter-step, and scored.
What an incredible half of crazy mad-cap football!
The second half began with Brentford looking to take advantage of the extra man. But Iwobi had other ideas, stealing possession for Richarlison to advance and cross in perfectly for Calvert-Lewin except he was inches behind the ball.
It was helter-skelter stuff as Everton looked to defend with yellow shirts scampering this way and that, Eriksen behind everything, Pickford launching himself to punch the ball away dramatically.
For Everton, Calvert-Lewin was doing his best to get underneath the aerial clearances but it was a thankless pursuit as Brentford kept pushing the Blues defence back and it was a lottery where the ball would end up..
Iwobi gave up a dangerous free-kick delivered superbly again by Eriksen, and somehow defended away. But Mykolenko somehow getting sucked in by Toney grabbing his shirt, and feigning a head-butt but nothing more given after the VAR check.
An outrageous piece of ball control by Richarlison on his shoulder from a superb crossfield pass from Iwobi was spoilt somewhat when he passed it straight to a yellow shirt.
Brentofrd forced a corner, Eriksen again whipping in a tremendous ball that Wissa got underneath and scored from the narrowest of angles despite Richarlison's attentions.
Brentford kept attacking and Henry got behind an excellent cross, powering past Pickford, to finally give Brentford the lead.
Everton tried what they had not been doing, attacking with 10 men, but the situation was increasingly desperate as they had allowed the genius that is Christian Eriksen the freedom of the field to conjure up attack after debilitating attack.
Gordon did well to intercept but DOucouré passed straight to a defender, and Brentford fashioned another attack, Henry mis-hitting his shot.
Richarlison did well to force a corner, ridiculously sent out of play by Mykoleno, as Gordon was replaced by Gray and Kenny replaced Gomes.
Everton almost created an attack but Richarlison was offside. Pickford wellied the ball miles upfield with no-one anywhere near it. Kenny played the ball straight to a Brentford man and they launched yet another attack, Mbuemo skying it over.
Richarlison did well to draw a foul in an advanced location, the free-kick fired over to Dououré who headed down and up off the post. The corner was decent from Gray but still no real chances on goal for the Blues, Iwobi chipping the ball poorly into Raya's arms.
Everton's passing in possession was shockingly poor, Coleman giving up the ball far too easily as they tried again to build something, Pickford again launching the ball way too far.
Everton's passing was just shocking, Eriksen getting a chance to shoot surprisingly wide. Rondo came on in place of Coleman for the last effort to rescue something from this Greek tragedy if a disaster.
Demarai Gray tried to work something onto the Brentford area but it was blocked. Rondon and Richarlsin tried to blunder their way forward, as Everton provided pressure unseen since the first 20 minutes. Was it too little, too late?
An astounding moment where Rondon, went in with a ridiculous challenge and was sent off to a second red card for Everton, after he was on the field for less than 5 minutes.
Brentford swarmed the 9 men of Everton, Holgate miraculously heading away a great shot from Eriksen with Pickford well beaten as 4 minutes of added time were signalled.
Everton how had to think only of defending to hold the scoreline, Brentford smelling late blood.
Kick-off: 4:30 pm, Sunday 15 May 2022 on Sky Sports
Everton: Pickford, Mykolenko, Holgate, Branthwaite [R:18'], Coleman (84' Rondon [R:88']), Iwobi, Doucoure, Gomes (72' Kenny), Gordon (72' Gray), Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin.
Subs: Begovic, Allan, Davies, Dele, Price, Welch.
Brentford: Raya, Henry, Nørgaard [Y:27'], Jensen, Wissa (75' Roerslev), Toney, Jansson, Mbeumo, Ajer [Y:17'] (59' Dasilva), Eriksen, Sørensen [Y:8'] (46' Janelt).
Subs: Lössl, Canós, Jeanvier, Peart-Harris, Baptiste, Stevens.
Referee: Michael Oliver
VAR: Darren England
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1 Posted 15/05/2022 at 15:59:40
2 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:00:59
3 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:04:42
Gomes biggest worry, hopefully Iwobi is in midfield offering some pace.
Hopefully DCL is fired up and ready for this, hope he has a good game. Richy in his best position today IMO.
4 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:05:44
5 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:05:55
6 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:06:11
7 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:08:10
8 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:08:46
9 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:10:03
10 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:11:04
11 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:13:02
12 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:14:19
13 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:19:23
14 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:21:02
The Gomes thing - I have no idea. Surely Allan must be borderline fitness-wise?
15 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:22:10
16 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:23:27
... Or perhaps more realistically we are just under cooked.
Whatever, with the Leeds result, we absolutely have to win today.
17 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:23:47
18 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:25:48
19 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:31:32
I am still not sold on Iwobi and his lack of end product.
20 Posted 15/05/2022 at 16:55:08
If Richarlison goes down, we get a penalty there. It shouldn't matter but it's what happened.
Any point to VAR?
21 Posted 15/05/2022 at 17:11:40
22 Posted 15/05/2022 at 17:23:31
23 Posted 15/05/2022 at 17:29:26
I thought Branthwaite was unlucky as there was no intent and it looked like it was caused by the Brentford player running across him but, as our luck would have it, their man could well have been through.
As for their goal, Gomes should have wellied when it was on the corner of the box rather than try to play out and then Coleman stopped 5 yards from their man when he should have closed him right down while Gomes, again, looked like he was trying to stop the Brentford man from passing back to his own keeper, they really do have to wake up to their positioning. And I assume the difference between Branthwaite being sent off and nothing against their man was because the penalty had been given.
Interesting to see what the set up will be for the 2nd half and how vital going for Watford in the same way might be.
24 Posted 15/05/2022 at 17:33:30
25 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:21:40
26 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:29:24
27 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:29:30
28 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:32:07
The game hinged on the VAR decision. Yes our penalty was soft but by then we're playing a good side with a man down and it told in the end. It's debatable whether we're good enough with 11, never mind 10.
As for Rondon. Stupid. A fitting end.
29 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:32:48
30 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:32:54
31 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:33:36
Its still in our hands. Beat Crystal Palace and were safe. I still think Brentford can beat Leeds.
32 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:34:29
33 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:36:06
How many chances do we have to blow to complete the job?
34 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:36:11
We got exactly what we deserved. Sat back at half-time and handed the game to them. It looked like we had 7 against 15, such was Brentford's passing and moving. 1 man difference shouldn't be that one-sided.
I can't wait for this season to end and 90% of these players to fuck off. Keep Pickford, Mykolenko and Richarlison and I couldn't care less about the rest. I've never felt so disconnected with an Everton team as I do this one.
35 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:36:24
36 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:37:08
Calvert-Lewin had a chance but decided to try and chest it in instead of using his head and then Richarlison doesn't make enough effort on the near post for their second and Gordon does something similar for the third when he needed to try at least to make a challenging header.
With 15 minutes to go, you knew it wasn't going to happen and Rondon's two-footed tackle just about completed an awful afternoon.
It annoys me to say it but that's all the "I know better than you, what a great point at Watford reserves, and we'll win at home – it's in our own hands" mediocrity deserves. Ohh, F...
37 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:38:34
38 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:39:46
39 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:44:15
Oliver is a sideshow. He made a mistake but so did Branthwaite and Rondon, plus Frank starting Gomes then trying to sit back when Holgate of all people was our only centre-back.
We've lost 20 games this season so yeah refs have hurt us here and there but not to the extent of 20 losses. Richarlison and Iwobi came out of the game with some credit. Not much Pickford could do. But it looks grim.
Last day versus Arteta and the club we have the worst record against in our history. Palace beforehand with whatever 11 aren't suspended or injured minus El Ghazi who must be dreadful in training. But we've had some good times, Bill…
40 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:46:46
Doucouré was gash, as was Gomes. Calamitous from Branthwaite as well. He'll still be crying in the changies – poor fucker.
41 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:48:07
42 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:48:35
I still cannot believe how we played that second half. Why did we not make any changes? We were being killed the first 15 mins of the second half but yet no changes – what the fuck was Lampard waiting for?
A point would at least have meant only a point would have been enough against Palace. Now, only a win against Palace will keep us safe. We're now hoping Villa will also do us a favour – at least Burnley are away and Villa will be incentivised to give it a go last home game.
Now, just get a good rest and go again Thursday. Thursday is our cup final as we will 100% not win away to Arsenal.
Rondon may as well pack his bags and fuck off.
43 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:48:49
I don't think Calvert-Lewin will play the next 2 games, he was limping on the last 5 minutes and he might have aggravated his hamstring.
Our winter transfers have had no impact at all – barring Mykolenko. Patterson (ok, got injured), Alli, El Ghazi, Van de Beek – all mere spectators. Whereas Brentford got Eriksen and what an inspired signing he's turned out to be.
Frank shouldn't panic now, stay calm, the Goodison crowd will give their everything on Wednesday. Hope Keane is fit for that game. If Calvert-Lewin is unfit, Gray will start. Let us pray for the best.
44 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:49:23
On the plus side, today was Leeds's best chance to pick up maximum points, and they failed to do so. We have another shot midweek.
45 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:49:35
To me, we went more defensive, and that Dele Alli must be one crap player if he can't replace Gomes. If you were going to go more on the defense, why wasn't Allan brought on?
We should have got at least a point but the delay in substitutions allowed Brentford to bring on 2 fresh players and turned the game around.
Why does this club have to make things harder, and all these long kicks reminds me of the Fat Sam style of play. As we say we don't now what goes on at Finch Farm but Gomes must produce something spectacular to play.
Too upset to continue, being an Evertonian is starting to be too hard to watch anymore.
46 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:50:25
I feel sick thinking about that Watford game...
47 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:51:30
In the space of a few weeks, we have been denied penalties and now having a Brentford player on the pitch who should not have been in Ajer, and Bech Sørensen should have joined him.
The FA and the Referees Association have conspired to put Everton Football Club in a precarious position. The Board should raise these issues with the FA and not the manager, who would be banned if he spoke out.
48 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:57:59
Running out of scapegoats.
49 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:58:43
50 Posted 15/05/2022 at 18:59:13
51 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:01:47
52 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:02:30
No team can survive 72 minutes in the Premier League with 10 men.
I am also pretty sure that Allan is not properly fit, otherwise he would have played some part in the last two games.
53 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:02:32
So Crystal Palace is our cup final, as we will get nowt at Arsenal. The whole club needs to be together as against Chelsea and all our best players need to show up, twinges and “slight pains” or not, painkilling injections if necessary, and get the 3 points.
54 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:03:19
But the perennial problems killed us. Schoolboy defending of crosses at set pieces. And an inability of all the players to pass to a blue shirt, which – when you're under the cosh – is suicidal.
The minor light at the end of a dark, dark tunnel is that is still in our own hands.
55 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:08:27
Shambles of a club, naivety in the extreme resulting in us getting our just deserts. After a good weekend last week, this weekend has been a shocker. Everton, you are a disgrace.
56 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:09:02
Allan is a leader, who we missed. They were battering us, especially down our right, but it took Brentford to score the 3rd before he changed it.
Thanks a lot, Frank. NOT.
57 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:09:23
58 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:11:20
Today, Leicester put 5 past them at Vicarage Road, and Tim Sherwood suggested that they had capitulated. We missed the perfect opportunity to achieve safety. Then Frank tells us that he has belief in this set of players. Well, the way he managed the Watford game totally belies that statement.
59 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:12:29
We're where we would have expected to be in terms of points after the Chelsea game. It's just that we picked up the win away at Leicester instead of today.
Having said that, I can't help but feel we're going to end up on the wrong side of all of this.
60 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:13:12
61 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:13:33
Instead we went route one with Brentford coming straight back at us.
Some poor decisions went against us yet again, but at the same time, if you invite a team to have wave after wave of attack, you get what you deserve, shot ourselves in the foot today, just hope Brentford show as much fight against Leeds.
Still in our own hands for now.
62 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:19:47
It's still in our own hands but I think that we may well need to hope that Brentford don't lose at home to Leeds as that will save us without us having to get another point which, let's face it, is a realistic prospect.
63 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:19:59
Here, our doughty centre-backs don't get injured, rather they are 'ill' just before a crucial game, leading us to throw in an absolute rookie.
64 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:22:01
Let's hope that is the case on Thursday but do you really trust this team to roll up and get an easy win? Let's hope they do as I think a lot a Evertonains and the team won't be able to take a last game requiring a win at Arsenal.
65 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:27:08
● Has Allan run over Frank's cat?
● Does Frank know he's allowed to make subs earlier?
● Why did Frank think Gomes could do the Delph role?
● What goes on inside the head of Rondon?
The Palace Game is enormous now.
66 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:27:40
You know the sign in the bookies "When the fun stops, stop." This is torture. The bums who have got every manager sacked really have taken the piss, season after season, of the best supporters in the world.
Anyway, Thursday, we go again… more anguish, superstition, anxiety and a knot tied in the gut. Yeah, it's only a game. I know.
67 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:30:08
We have enough in our locker to get a win on Thursday. We need Keane fit and I think also Calvert-Lewin as it was working before sending off.
One more big one. COYB
68 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:30:53
69 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:36:51
I can't argue with Branthwaite seeing red.
I can't argue with Rondons straight red.
I can argue with a clearly pulled shirt in the box not being given or the guy on a yellow fouling for our penalty not being given a 2nd yellow and then surprisingly getting subbed at half-time.
Hopefully that's the last we see of Rondon in a blue shirt, what a total waste of time and money.
Brentford aren't a good team, they have a quality player pulling the strings in centre-mid, that's about it. We have shot ourselves in the foot again.
Palace on Thursday is our biggest game since Wimbledon. Let's hope we have 11 men on the pitch at the start and end.
70 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:37:21
71 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:37:46
We were never going to survive 70-odd minutes being down to 10 men. Up until that moment, we had been all over Brentford and could/should have been 3 up. We'd had 6 shots in the first 10 minutes.
Keane gets ill the night before the game so Jared plays and then gets sent off. We don't have any luck at all….
Just worried about what sort of team we can put out against Palace to actually give us a chance of survival.
72 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:39:18
We should not have to rely on Leeds and Burnley but it's looking like we may have to, as points will not come easy.
73 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:41:56
74 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:43:31
75 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:47:16
So painful to watch that game though after the red. It all started so well; the crowd was incredible and we were looking like getting an emphatic victory, similar to the cup game.
Can't take much more of this, my nerves are shot.
76 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:47:24
I'm not sure Calvert-Lewin will be fit for the next game but he did look a bit like his old self. That leap is back.
We need some class in our midfield and l want to see Dele Alli come in. Other than that, l hope we have one of our central defenders back. Delph too. I thought we were unlucky today.
Not so sure Leeds have the quality to win away but a win means it's out of their hands. Rafa out.
77 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:51:59
78 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:53:36
And then we lose. So typically Everton, it's untrue. It's almost as if it's scripted by Sky to keep the suspense going to the end, like Arsenal losing 3-0 to Spurs and City failing to win today (of course Liverpool will win on Tuesday).
With their goal difference, Leeds's only chance to go above us is to win their last game, so a draw against Palace for us is of little use being only 1 point ahead of them.
Burnley need a win to go above us too but have two games left. We will 99.9% lose against Arsenal so we either beat Palace or hope that both Burnley and Leeds don't win another game. A draw against Palace is of fuck-all use to us.
79 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:53:59
80 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:54:34
Today was another case of us failing to rise to the challenge, only this time not just failing to progress in a cup or qualify for Europe, as we usually do. Today we were relegated.
81 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:54:37
82 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:54:43
Lampard stood there scratching his arse.
83 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:55:28
Absolutely gutting. Though I would have taken this position a few weeks back.
It could be that we already have enough points. Or it could be that we need to beat Palace or Arsenal. No use in trying to predict this crazy, stupid, brilliant game.
I just want it to be done now. Take me back to mid-table mediocrity and end of season fizzle outs!
84 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:56:07
That said, again today – when 1-up and looking reasonably comfortable – both the ref and the VAR miss a blatant and obvious foul – not the 1st, 2nd or even 3rd time this season – and why?
You can draw your own conclusion… but incompetence and corruption spring to mind.
How the ref didn't see the shirt tug is beyond belief and how the VAR didn't get involved is just well var a pile of shite imho.
Still we get ahead and the manager does what he doesn't do best and that's making subs.
1 criticism of Lampard which jaw been noted earlier is that he isn't proactive and I agree.
Allan should have come on and not for DCL but for Gomes but he again waits and waits and what happens? We concede 2 goals in quick succession as, like all season, we can not defend.
It's not rocket science but, even with 10 men, you have to stop the crosses and be aware of players around you, one point no doubt Gordon will learn.
One positive is that I do not see Burnley or Leeds picking up more than 1 point from their remaining games.
Onto next season, where we need to clear the decks... again.
Oh what a joy to be an Everton fan – but I wouldn't want it any other way or support any other team.
85 Posted 15/05/2022 at 19:58:17
The whole game hinged on the Branthwaite sending off.
Although we went in 2-1 it was odds on we'd start dropping deep and they'd run the game.
Forget getting anything at Arsenal, our whole season comes down to beating Palace on Thursday. Hopefully Keane will be back and Allan replaces Gomes.
So many games this season we've let ourselves down, not just Watford. Lack of application, desire and fight, never mind skill.
90+ minutes on Thursday – that's what it's come down to...
86 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:04:06
87 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:07:20
We clearly needed him today instead of Gomes. Silly mistake leads to Branthwaite getting his red and the game simply dies. Rondon's red was reckless and hopefully that's him gone now, a real old fashioned carthorse of a player.
Eriksen's class shone through. Had we had Allan fit and playing today as well as Keane, we win that game… but it's all ifs, buts and maybes. We lost and now we go again. It's not all over. A win on Thursday is a must.
88 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:14:17
2-0 up with 11 men would have made it a completely different game.
89 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:16:17
This was so clear and obvious that the VAR should have intervened, He didn't; so why not?
The ball's hoofed clear and Branthwaite ends up being red-carded! You really couldn't make it up.
Lampard should have changed it at that point but didn't and then again he should swapped Gomes for Kenny at half-time but again failed to do so. When he finally took off the totally anonymous Gomes, allowing Iwobi to move further up the pitch, it was too late.
90 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:18:08
I found it exhausting and very, very frustrating to watch another game in hand go by without any gains, but Michael you must have been more frustrated yet you still managed to picture the game as it rolled on with the inevitable ending becoming more obvious with every passing minute.
We now have to endure another 90 minutes or so on Thursday night with less players in the squad after today's sendings-off and who will be injured in training or coming down with an illness. A lot of us are sick ourselves watching this season and the wretched performances every other week but we will drag ourselves there for the last home game and possibly last chance of saving our season. Come on you Blue boys FFS!!
Once again, Michael, a big thank you for today's report.
91 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:22:06
We were flying at 1 nil and would have demolished Brentford if the penalty had been given.
That said, quite why Gomes was on the pitch, I have no idea. It is no coincidence that results have improved without him. I never want to see him in an Everton shirt again.
92 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:24:35
Then he will be asked about the shirt pulling on Richarlison and he'll say "I've seen 'em given."
That's what annoys, the inconsistent amateur refereeing displays. The VAR all day long should have instructed Oliver that he'd made an error. A stonewall penalty.
Aarrgghhh... on to Thursday.
93 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:33:45
The sadness is that we are relying on other teams being worse rather than us being better than them.
Are we sponsored by Broad Green Hospital Cardiac Unit? Perhaps the new shirt sponsors are a pharma company making blood pressure tablets or anti-depressants?
94 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:42:18
No matter what the fine or punishment, this club must make it clear we will NOT allow him to ref again against us. Walk off the pitch and forfeit the 3 points by 3-0 if we have to, but make a stand ffs Everton. Enough is enough.
I really wish I didnt love this club like I do, because other than this club I have no love for football left. Its not sport when the officials continuously make it unsporting. Its all for the last day drama and TV revenue. They desperately want it at both ends.
Really do fear a Leeds barn stormer at Brentford, and seeing Burnley today they looked good for at least 3 (maybe 4) points out their last two. Goal difference means we need a DRAW on Thursday, and if we dont get that I fear that this time next week, our goose is cooked.
If that turns out to be the case, next season will be my last. Ive been a season ticket holder for 30 years of my 45 years of life, and a match goer for all but the first 5. Ive passed on the love (and sometimes curse) of the club to my kids, and was proud of both singing and choking in the blue smoke today……but enough is enough. FFP protests the elite, and the officials want showbiz not sport.
Life is too short to be this angry, and this frustrated for 40 weeks of the year. So, so, disappointing.
95 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:45:03
96 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:50:46
Normally, the pace of the game, at least the first half, is such that it's pretty easy to keep track. But this one was so hectic, I fell well behind in the first 5 minutes. It didn't help that I was battling my mouse, which was having a kind of dyslexic fit where it freezes or disappears off the screen and refuses to get back on.
Whenever we score early, I go back to that lad Saha and his fastest ever cup-final goal. And that man Moyes, who I blame for losing us that game... along with many others. He jinxed us good and proper. And now I'm damaged goods. I never feel confident when we score early.
Now we have Frank and his refusal to sub early. So he always, always, always subs late. That's my pet peeve at the moment... plus all the other hopeless things you listed. We are just so fucking poor, it makes you wanna weep. And yet we go again on Thursday.
97 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:51:14
98 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:51:28
99 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:55:07
I no longer even know where I sit. "Funny" old game.
100 Posted 15/05/2022 at 20:56:04
Michael Oliver makes me sick, and nobody could ever convince me that hes 100% genuine, and is also the same consistent referee, right across the board, for every team.
Its gone, we move forward to Thursday night now, and in amongst all the doom, we have just got to keep believing, and thinking about how well we started todays game, which is the first positive thing Ive thought, (its just come to me whilst I was writing this!) since I left Goodison today.
101 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:01:23
At half time we led, yes 10 men but a lead. Instruction not to lose, press from the front. Not go deep. It played into their hands. I believe we have one more chance against Palace. Our cup final but at home. We must win. Forget about other fixtures and might be, may be. Its in our hands. We must win. This game is win or bust for me.
How low have we come to rely on Burnley or Leeds to lose! Either way take anything to stay up! For the players. Get the job done Thursday! No one wants a Sunday to forget!
Someone said best excitement for 30 years! Let's hope a week tomorrow the Premier League crest is still attached to the ground and not replaced by a Championship one! I don't like this sort of excitement!!!!
102 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:03:38
I love Richarlison. I've always tolerated his falling and feigning against what we get in return. It's now got to a stage where every fan of other clubs are calling him out in online comments. He's regularly being called a cheat and hated upon. He goes too far and I think it goes against him with the officials.
103 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:04:14
The Ossie Ardilles/ Kevin Keegan approach is heroic, but moronic.
104 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:07:29
We also needed a specialist right-back from this point on. In my view, we should have changed to a 4-4-1, with Kenny on at right-back, Iwobi pushed up to the right wing (Gordon off) and Allan on in place of Gomes. Two tight banks of four with Calvert-Lewin being the “out” ball.
I'm pretty sure Kenny would have made a better fist of defending their second goal than Gordon did when he lost his man.
And then Eriksen deliberately dropped deep so he could pull the strings all over the place. Somebody tasked with man-marking him around the pitch would have cut off most of their supply. Frank didn't seem to have an answer.
I really hope we don't rue the Watford result – another example of a poor set-up and not having the guts (as well as guile) to go for it.
Frank's made a great connection with fans and he could yet become a top manager for us but he's very much learning on the job.
105 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:08:00
106 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:12:17
We are in a bad spot but as of now we are not in the bottom three and we wont be until at least Sunday so instead of writing eulogies can we wait to see if the corpse goes cold?
107 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:13:09
There is no point in the VAR. It now serves no purpose whatsoever. If they can bat decisions like this away, then there is no point having it.
Will, I'm not even bothered about the ref. Its the VAR looking at it and declaring 'nothing to see here'. It's incomprehensible.
108 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:18:21
Some good battling performances but not enough today. Basic, idiotic red cards.
I now believe it's a final 36 points for us so it's upto Burnley to equal (better goal difference) and Leeds to win their last game to leapfrog us.
I resigned myself to relegation a few months ago and I can only repeat that I hope I'm wrong.
Either way, Frank can go or he can stay, either way 10 games next season to prove he can turn us around or not in whatever division we are in.
109 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:23:28
The VAR was supposed to be the definitive arbiter for accuracy and correctness. It's now just another controllable variable.
110 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:23:34
But, regardless of how we do, Leeds have to beat Brentford away to leapfrog us.
After reading about the racist abuse directed at two of their players today, I'm hoping they're sufficiently motivated on Sunday.
For us, it's all about Thursday. Keane will have to play regardless of how he is. Allan also needs to start. One last big push on Thursday with cool heads and no fucking red cards.
111 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:23:50
The first time was before Christmas when it was clear that, if we got into a relegation fight, we lacked the spirit to get out if it. Too many clubs around us would just know how to fight and we wouldn't.
The last time was when we went 5 points adrift a couple of weeks ago. I didn't think we would get much from Chelsea and Leicester but we did, I was banking all on Watford and Brentford but we got only a point.
This has felt like we are fated to go down with an (almost) perfect storm of negatives from Rafa, money wasted on sub-standard players, years of mismanagement, injuries, bizarre refereeing – including the VAR, and more.
It's the crowd that has breathed life into this near-corpse of a team and dragged them close to safety. That and recent pragmatic coaching has defied what seemed inevitable.
We can go one more time, crowd and team, on Thursday and we'll do it. But for about 5 seconds of play, the pull on Richarlison to Branthwaite's red card, we were on course to win comfortably today.
Keep the faith. In spite of everything it is, hard to believe maybe, still in our hands.
112 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:26:17
Credit to Brentford for doing a professional job, but Everton served them goals gift wrapped today.
Massive game against a very tough team but it is winnable.
Im not gonna rant on the referee, and VAR, been doing it al season, so Im channeling my energy into Thursday and will be praying in the mean time for an Everton victory.
Hopefully we will all be celebrating this time next Sunday. Gonna be a tense week, but hopefully Everton, can beat Palace.
113 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:27:21
As others have said, we were doing fine until the first sending off. Simply a young defender's mistake, getting caught up in the attacking play, and a good solid pro took full advantage. As long as he learns and doesn't repeat, it's part of the learning curve.
I hate that last man rule because it doesn't discriminate between deliberate and cynical and naive and clumsy so isn't true ‘justice', but it was a clear sending off by the current rule.
Not sure if Richarlison tussling with the defender who's yanking his shirt gives them the opportunity of saying it's 6 of one, a half-dozen of the other, so not surprised the VAR didn't say the ref has made a clear and obvious error.
I thought all the defenders had a tough time today and I always had an inkling this would be a game that could swing on a basic error as Brentford are capable opposition and the pressure would be upped by any ‘positive' result from Leeds. Another young player losing concentration led to their winner.
The Palace game will be a true test even if Keane is well. Hopefully Leeds or Burnley will fail to get enough to overhaul us in their remaining fixtures and save us having to save ourselves.
114 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:34:00
Brentford weren't really that bothered and we gifted it to them. The last two games would have seen us safe with better selections and tactics.
115 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:37:16
Lampard getting a lot of stick but playing 4-4-1 was the right decision after the sending off. Richarlison was playing out wide, not up front. Arguably Allan for Gomes should have happened after the sending off, but Gomes wasn't too bad today. Kenny for Gomes either as well possibly with Iwobi in midfield.
At least Eriksen is up against Leeds on Sunday. We need him to do the same to them as he did to us today.
116 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:38:45
That we have an incredible, enviable stadium in build, and some of the best support you will ever see through it all, is almost an added irony of contradiction.
As for the game today - you wouldn't get that story published beforehand.
Roll on Thursday!
117 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:39:01
The managers since the early Moyes years (too early to say with Lampard), the Academy which produces nowt, the catastrophic player recruitment, the backroom and conditioning staff, the mentally and physically weak players ( a few honourable exceptions, we know who they are) who are forever crying off with “slight pains” and twinges (I dont know what Keanes “illness” was but I would be surprised if it was anything serious - I may be wrong but I shouldnt even have to suspect it), and have downed tools for previous managers, have all done their bit.
Other “smaller” clubs like Wolves, Palace and Brentford show how to do it. I honestly dont believe that we deserve to be in the same division as them at the moment, so if we are relegated, and I hope we arent, it is no more than the club deserves. Hard on us fans to be sure, who arent millionaire here today gone tomorrow professionals (although they dont deserve that epithet) but there we are. Life isnt always a bed of roses.
118 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:40:50
119 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:45:38
120 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:48:54
121 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:51:03
I'm not long home from the game and although it's true, in hindsight, that Everton could have made changes in the second half, I believe that we supporters are what can be described as "Wannabe Managers" who never make a mistake, and if by chance we do, we will never be brought to task.
It's not over until we are 4 points adrift with one game to play, and it's preferable that we achieve our safety by winning the fixture against Crystal Palace. It's quite possible, however, that we can be watching Premier League games next season without adding a point to our total, if Leeds United (with one game to play) and Burnley (with two games to play) do likewise.
I must add that I thought the crowd were superb again for the main part, but I still can't understand those who left early, in their droves, when that was the time the team needed all the support they could get. I've always been of the opinion: "If you can't lose, don't play, or if you can't see your team lose, don't go."
122 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:55:54
I also think Iwobi has got to be part of a three man midfield imo on Thursday, simply because hes currently our most energetic player.
I was crying out for Kenny to come on for Gomes, which would have helped us get Iwobis energy into midfield, whilst we were in front, and was very disappointed that Lampard took so long to make this change, but Frank is learning on the job, and his relationship with Evertonians is also going to be crucial in the future, hopefully, along with both Moshiri and Kenwright, who Im praying havent got long left🤞
123 Posted 15/05/2022 at 21:57:39
I agree that we asked for it. What hasn't been said so much is that we actually retook the lead for 2-1 from the penalty, following attacking play after we went down to 10 men.
Specific player changes aside, I thought we were too negative and reluctant to get forward but also light in the middle. Dropping back and letting teams have the midfield is asking for it when the box is then under bombardment - right when you are short of a central defender (and the tallest player we had).
124 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:02:47
I wonder if they had a change of shift at Stockley Park, or were having a break for Evertons game..
Focus on Thursday night and praying in between.
Need a Chelsea 2 weeks ago, tempo and drive, and clinical finishing.
“Whats Our Name?”
125 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:03:08
With this crowd of shirkers and bottlers we'll be lucky to consolidate in Championship.
I say WHEN we drop as we don't have a snowball in hells chance of picking up points against Palace and Arsenal and Leeds will win at Brentford
126 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:04:39
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128 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:08:52
129 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:09:39
My newly acquired glasses must be rose tinted because I just had another thought. If youre going to be in a relegation battle you might as well let it go to the wire. Think of that Wimbledon game in 1994. People remember it like a cup final. Less well remembered are the moments when we were mathematically safe various times under Walter Smith. For the first time since Martinez we end the season with a tangible prize on the line. Now obviously there is a huge potential downside to this Pollyanna perspective but I wont miss watching the dead rubbers we usually endure this time of year. And while I profess no soothsayer skills Im convinced we will survive. If we dont Ill endure the misery when it comes but Im not going to sour my mood now by assuming something has already occurred that may never happen. Up the Toffees
130 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:20:18
Roy Hodgson said at the time - the ref didn't see it, I didn't see and neither did Jurgen. Their were no appeals from any RS player. Yet VAR saw it and told the ref about it. The RS scored and went 2 nil up.
Can someone please tell me the difference as to why VAR saw something and told the ref about it and what happened to Richy and his shirt today ?? Its fn corruption. Sky and the EPL want a last day shootout at the top and bottom. This keeps the TV audience interested and the advertisers paying for TV adverts. As far as they are all concerned its a win win. Unless of course you are match going supporters paying to watch a product that once upon a time was truth and nothing but the truth. Not any more I'm afraid. EFC are a big fish and us being in danger of going down is BIG NEWS, unfortunatley.
131 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:22:12
132 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:26:28
Can I try to relieve some of the doom and gloom?
I genuinely think you are safe.The people at Brentford are a fairly relaxed lot and don't go in for tribalism but if there is one team everyone at the club dislikes, it is Leeds.Too many unpleasant encounters with their deluded and obnoxious fans and the general arrogance of the whole set-up there.While nothing is guaranteed in football,I can assure you that nothing would give more pleasure than sending Leeds down.So the players will definitely be up for it next Sunday.
What fantastic support you gave Everton today.
see you next season.
133 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:28:24
134 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:31:53
In this case, VAR would have bottled it and put the onus on ref who would have been invited to go pitch side, review.
And then go, no, my decision stands, red card it is...
135 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:34:36
One more positive. No matter what happens it cant be as bad as last time losing 6-0 at home to an already relegated Sheff Wed
Im not a fan of any of the refs to be honest. But I think we inevitably look at things from our own narrow perspective. A few months everyone was saying Atwell was prejudiced against us. But I did a quick Google search for “Atwell bias” and found Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool all claim he is prejudiced against them and had more examples to back it up than us. I would wager if we scoured the fan sites of Leeds and Burnley youd find plenty of examples of apparent ref injustice on those pages. In fact in Leeds case you dont even have to delve far. Just think back to winter when they only had 7 fit players and were forced to play on whole others like Leicester got postponements based on a combination of a few Covid cases and injuries. Yes the refs are flawed people limited by eyesight, athleticism and inherent bias but unfortunately it will always be that way until we get the robot refs up to speed. Terminator wouldnt be intimidated at Anfield or anywhere else.
136 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:36:02
Oh, and although I didn't go today, I watched intently on TV, I don't believe how Calvert Lewin can lay claim to Richie's goal !
137 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:36:21
138 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:36:23
VAR needs sorting out and there is bias (human nature) but not to the extent of a systematic vendetta to relegate Everton.
139 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:39:02
Thanks for dropping by. What a season your team have had. My late great great (as in he was good and he was great in terms of telationship) was a Brentford fan. Ironically he gave me his Pele autograph that he got at Goodison Park.
Anyway, Ive no doubt the raucous Brentford fans will be up for it and I cant seem Thomas Frank allowing them a day on the beach. Go Bees
140 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:39:07
141 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:41:57
142 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:44:19
143 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:44:33
By the time young Jarrad was sent off we could and maybe should have been at least 2 if not 3 up. We were playing some good stuff and well on top. The decision not to review the pull on Richie ultimately ended up costing us the game. I dont think we had our tactics right in the second half either. We looked much better on the front foot,
As disappointing as it is there are still positives to be had with the main one being that the other results mean it is still very much in our own hands and a home win against Palace will guarantee it.
I hope Frank learns from today and doesnt start Gomes. If Keane has recovered from his illness he and Allan in for Jarrad B and Gomes. Otherwise keep it the same and if the players keep their heads we can win.
144 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:46:36
Gomes selected on the strength of his previous Brentford performance.But this time Erikson was in midfield.Erikson was always going to be the danger, but was not identified as a sufficient threat for special attention.With Keane, Mina and Godfrey out the inclusion of Braithwaite was realised,but his dismissal, the rest of continuous sloppy play, gave us a makeshift defence.
Frank thought this makeshift arrangement would carry Everton through most of the second half failing to respond Brentford changing from a 433 to a 452, using the extra man to add to a walk through midfield.Franks subs have always been too late and didn't include a defending midfielder, though he had Allan on the bench.
Rondon the savour proved a total flop, but Frank persisted with open attacking football.So the game was won and lost in Midfield as I predicted.Erikson was ignored as a threat.
I have tried to workout the permutations of Everton's position but can only conclude it will become clear at full time on the last match of the season dependent on fellow relegation dogfigjters making a cock up.
The inevitable has now happened. Years of mismanagement has this once great Club on it's knees hoping for results out of their control.
I won't be putting any bets on Everton winning their last two away matches.
145 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:54:34
Hopefully Brentford can do the business next Sunday, and congratulations on a very good season for Brentford.
Some fine old pubs in Chiswick, I know from working there,in the past, and hopefully next week, your having a great end of season party and Everton, will be too.
146 Posted 15/05/2022 at 22:56:40
Congratulations to Brentford on a great season. I live in Teddington, so have quite a few Bees fans as neighbours.
Brentford are a great example of how to run a club properly and the signing of Erickson was inspired. In contrast we went for Donny van de always Injured and Dele Alli - speaks volumes I think. Easily the class player on the field today - a delight to watch and I hope he stays with you next season.
147 Posted 15/05/2022 at 23:00:01
Fuck Off, Lampard.
148 Posted 15/05/2022 at 23:03:28
The reality is that it's another one where the ref leaves it to VAR, and VAR has to assume he's judged the decision and reached his own conclusions and therefore doesn't deem it a clear and obvious error.
The fact that Oliver clearly has a good view goes against us. If he was unsighted the VAR might have asked him to look at the screen - as he couldn't see what had happened. But he clearly saw it and didn't act - to send him to the screen would be to say "you saw that and didn't act". That's pretty damning of the referee.
And that's why VAR is crap. It doesn't improve decisions - it protects officials. VAR could get 99% of decisions correct but it would mean effectively criticising refs' errors, incompetence and bias. So they don't, they confirm bad decisions unless they've got an excuse to get it right.
I'm adamant that referee decision making is worse with VAR. And VAR isn't implemented to correct decision making. It's brought about a whole new element of poor officiating.
149 Posted 15/05/2022 at 23:06:15
I swear an independent body should walk in to the FA tomorrow and take every refs phone and check whats being said because it cant now be a coincidence. It just cant be. There have been about 10-15 really bad decisions this season. It could be the difference between us staying up and going down. Its a fix, nobody will convince me otherwise now, theres just been too many.
150 Posted 15/05/2022 at 23:06:44
151 Posted 15/05/2022 at 23:12:00
153 Posted 15/05/2022 at 23:24:32
Gomes started well but was exposed when we went down to 10 men. DCL looks a shadow of his pre injury self. Perhaps his head is elsewhere? I'd have played Gray before Gordon, whose inexperience has been magnified recently. Contrary to popular belief, I think he is far from the finished article. His lack of concentration cost us their winner today. I felt sorry for Branthwaite it was an awkward tussle, he was unlucky.
It's all down to Thursday.
154 Posted 15/05/2022 at 23:25:13
Frank is fucking clueless. Please someone challenge me why he is not.
155 Posted 15/05/2022 at 23:27:53
156 Posted 15/05/2022 at 23:40:41
Otherwise, there was no logical reason for leaving him on the bench today. If he is unable to start on Thursday,I fear the worst.
157 Posted 15/05/2022 at 23:42:55
MOTD2 - Whitewashes Olivers performance- Que Surprise !!!
On another point - whatever happens against Palace, the fans must stay behind and chant Sack The Board until BK comes out and announces he's going and taking the rest of them with him.
158 Posted 15/05/2022 at 23:49:22
The next match is at home to Crystal Palace, on Thursday. We only have one more away.
If we beat Palace we stay up; simple as that. If we don't it goes to the wire and I wouldn't put any money on us getting anything at Arsenal. It's our worst away game in the Premiership era.
159 Posted 15/05/2022 at 23:54:06
162 Posted 16/05/2022 at 00:15:04
I remember when they had the 27 campaign in my section I was the only one who stood up with my small white banner ' Kenwright Out ' ! People looked at me with mixed emotions, I presume, ranging from, totally agree, but we have done nothing to support that (wish we had now) to 'sit down you lone protester' !
Also, the man has skin as thick as a Rhino and a Neck that is Brazen. Basically he believes he is Teflon Coated !
163 Posted 15/05/2022 at 00:15:39
Another apology from the FA at midweek as after the city game with the hand not given penalty from Rodri? That changed this game 100%. If we do go down (and itll be because of these pathetic mistakes from the officials) Ill never watch a premier league game again. Ok, maybe Allan should of played, we could argue something… but thats not why we lost.
The way they make mistakes turns football into a complete lost cause only in favour of taking money from people. Get my grandma in VAR and itll be the same.
I only give credit to supporters and players on the pitch not reacting to that disgrace decision, in Argentina that referre wouldnt have gotten alive from the stadium. 100%.
167 Posted 16/05/2022 at 00:27:47
Frank is fucking clueless. Please someone challenge me why he is not?
168 Posted 16/05/2022 at 00:41:43
To prevent this happening Brentford will have to beat Leeds as I can't see us getting more than 1 point from our last 2 games.
Prove me wrong EFC and for once put a team to the sword on Thursday and give your long suffering fans the result we all want.
PS: Put Richy in cotton wool as he's our only fit forward left, given DCLs limp at the end of the game today.
PPS: give El Ghazi ago as Gordon is knackered and Gray is out of form.
169 Posted 16/05/2022 at 00:43:58
170 Posted 16/05/2022 at 01:10:42
An old colleague of mine was a top referee in the 80s, and he was always telling me how he hated reffing Everton games, because the likes of Reid, Sharp, Gray, Heath, VdH etc would always be in his ear, even if he'd already fulfilled their shouts for a free kick or whatever. That aggressive approach towards officials undoubtedly paid dividends. It would do so even more now with VAR in operation.
171 Posted 16/05/2022 at 01:11:10
172 Posted 16/05/2022 at 01:11:12
That was pathetic. Its one thing slipping in a few swear words when youre commenting on the game. Its another just popping into the thread to abuse someone. Bernie is a great poster with some great anecdotes from the old days and by the sound of it a gent. Maybe you could learn a thing or two from him.
173 Posted 16/05/2022 at 01:18:26
174 Posted 16/05/2022 at 01:20:21
Started great but turned into a disaster.
Cannot guess how the next 2 games will go.
We may have to rely on Brentford, Villa and Newcastle.
What will be will be.
We have spent a season sleepwalking to oblivion but still wouldn't bet on our next 2 results. Pardon the pun but football is a funny old game. Maybe we will get a result at Arsenal against all odds.
Hopefully we can shock Palace.
I'm sure if Allan was fit he would be a shoe in. The guy is probably pushing his luck being on the bench. Must be carrying an injury and helping as much as he can till the end of the season.
Let's just keep on giving our fantastic support and hope the team can get over the line.
175 Posted 16/05/2022 at 01:21:29
Since our letter of apology, we then had three players sent off, in the following three games, a further two today, another penalty not given, a penalty then given but no second yellow.
If we get the first penalty then Branthwaite, remains on the pitch, the only one I can agree with, is Rondons Red.
Been saying it for a while on here, since we got a letter of apology, that we would get nothing for the rest of the season, Lampard criticising and rightly so the official, then picking up a fine was the final nail in the coffin lid.
We are the only ones to speak up, and by doing so, they will do their damn best to see the back of us.
The dreaded drop is unthinkable, but at the same time, it will be the same again next season, hopefully we stay up, but what chance has the rest got, against the elite clubs, next season, they have already bowed to the elite, by allowing 5 subs from next season.
I can put up with being shite, I can just about put up with poor performances, thats our own doing, but when you are getting screwed over, week after week, by corrupt officials, you start questioning whether you will get a fairer crack of the whip, in the Championship, that is how much it is now getting to me, at the same time the Premier league would love to see Everton go down.
That is the incentive that keeps me going, that no matter what they threw at us, no matter how many wrong decisions we have been on the back of, I would love us to stay up, firstly as a fan but more so to stick two fingers back at those that did everything they could, to send us down.
We really need something Thursday, we will certainly not be getting anything away to Arsenal, var and the ref will see to that.
Not one of my more positive posts, but at the same time, the corruption in the game has dragged me right down.
176 Posted 16/05/2022 at 01:32:08
177 Posted 16/05/2022 at 01:42:44
You are correct on the corruption in the game and there is no doubt that they want us down.
179 Posted 16/05/2022 at 01:50:16
This is the roller coaster to hell and back so the only way I see this going is we will need points at Arsenal to survive.
Hard not to look back in anger at the reasons we are in this mess.
180 Posted 16/05/2022 at 01:56:57
181 Posted 16/05/2022 at 02:02:48
182 Posted 16/05/2022 at 02:14:43
Jay. Only for Pickford, for fuck's sake, we are shite.
Please challenge me. I'm better than Lampard.
183 Posted 16/05/2022 at 02:39:44
185 Posted 16/05/2022 at 02:47:03
For the ‘Oliver brought in to nobble us conspiracy theorists, how do you explain the soft penalty he awarded us (read the report if you dont understand there are a few Evertonians who were grateful that one wasnt waved away)?
The Richy tussle before the Branthwaite sending off is in the debatable category because it does look like he is gripping / pushing the defender at the same time; easy for VAR to dodge as not a clear and obvious error.
Both sendings off followed the letter of the law, their three goals were sound with only the Everton influence in them being disappointing.
And that is the point. There have been some strange calls but they fall on the shoulders of officials who have also made rubbish calls with other teams. Most of our result deciding moments have been down to individual ineptitude. If the RS are mentality monsters unfortunately we are just the mentality horror show.
Oh, and DCL deflected the ball significantly for the first. Very hard to say it would have gone in the net otherwise so why shouldnt he claim it?
186 Posted 16/05/2022 at 02:48:34
Early in the 2nd half Kenny should have been brought on for Gordon who was knackered at having to chase their left back back to our box.
The corner for the 2nd goal came down that side and Gordon didn't track the scorer of the 3rd. Not having a go at AG. He has been a trooper but is looking tired.
Sorry, but Frankie ain't super and isn't going to make it in this management lark.
187 Posted 16/05/2022 at 02:59:37
188 Posted 16/05/2022 at 03:20:47
I think we'll be hanging on right until the last seconds of the season... and it will come down to what Burnley and Leeds do in their last games.
We've got to go for the win... but I just can't see us beating Palace. Can we afford to go at them with their pace on the break? Can we really sit back against a team like Palace when we need a win? Even a draw leaves us hoping that Leeds and Burnley don't muster a win each.
I'd like to think we can deal with this ourselves, but I suspect I'll be supporting Brentford, Villa and Newcastle over the next week.
189 Posted 16/05/2022 at 04:00:05
iwobi coleman keane holgate/godfrey mykolenko
gordon allan doucoure gray
Subs: gomes davies dele kenny godfrey/holgate calvertlewin vbd begovic and some kid.
I believe thats the team that will play against palace.
although this league has turned into an abosolute joke, the mentality in the last games has been the correct one.
this league is like the casino, it just grabs the money and makes people sick.
190 Posted 16/05/2022 at 04:51:25
Every team needs players who can score and assist. DCl has been injured. Richy has a few goals as does Gray. However the assists last season were supplied by he who can't be named, James and Digne and we all know who got rid of James and Digne. On all fronts we are a poorer squad than last season.
The only player we have brought in this season that is actually playing well right now is Mykolenko. Grays form has dropped off a cliff, Patterson has never got started and is injured, Deli Ali ? just what was that all about, Donny and El Ghazi ( whats happened to them ), and finally our top scorer Townsend is injured. Begovic is the sub keeper. So we are left with the same players that have let us down season after season and getting worse season after season. Frank has appeared to get some team spirit going but getting an effective and consistent tune out of them is still a tall order. They need us to roar them home.
So we are asking a squad of players that has lost to Norwich, Watford, Burnley, Southampton and Brentford twice. The only team around us that we have taken 4 points off is Leeds - that hopefully will prove the difference between us staying up and them going down. Palace stuffed us by 4 when we played them at their place. It is going to take some turnaround to see us beat them on Thursday but beat them we must. Otherwise we have to rely on Brentford beating Leeds because we aint getting anything at the Emirates.
191 Posted 16/05/2022 at 05:32:07
I really don't know what to say. I went through so many emotions from ecstasy to frustration to being totally gutted.
I didn't want to comment on the official but it was a pivotal moment. Shirt pulling as a player was a pet hate of mine. It's against the rules and a foul. A foul in the box is a penalty. I know we got one later on but after that in the next phase of play, they score when we are 1-0 up and could have gone 2-0 up.
To that goal, I know many rate Branthwaite and I think he's got potential, but he looked like Michael Keane. Got the wrong side and was playing catch up. He should have just left that to Pickford. Even if they'd have scored, we'd have kept 11 players on the pitch.
As much as I've praised him, Gordon got ghosted past for their 2nd or 3rd. I can't (don't want to) remember which one. He looks absolutely knackered.
Final comment, I know his hand was turned with the sending off. I know his options are limited given the limitations of this poor squad, but as at Watford, the manager has a tendency to leave his changes too late. Be that tactical or personnel. Brentford had us yesterday. Pinging those diagonals at our fullbacks. We seemingly done nothing to combat it.
I may be being harsh.
Wounded. Hurt. Gutted.
Upset, so give me a pass.
Let's go and win midweek. We do this.
192 Posted 16/05/2022 at 05:44:09
“Let's go and win midweek. We do this.”
Says it all. Everyone suffered agony yesterday in the second half, but we are in exactly the same position as before the game. No point catastrophising when 30 seconds of play turned the game on its head. UTFT!
Also, I have to say how ashamed I feel about racist abuse aimed at the families of Brentford players. We are better than that.
193 Posted 16/05/2022 at 06:05:05
I feel a bit numb. I'll always believe that we'll win our next game, no matter how poor we've been in the previous match, that's just the way I am, but I'm now very, very nervous about Thursday. We should be safe by now but instead we're preparing for our biggest match in years!
I do think Gordon should start on the bench, his introduction after an hour or so will lift the crowd and hopefully see us over the line. At least DCL looked a bit more interested yesterday, he could give us a farewell present by scoring the winner.
194 Posted 16/05/2022 at 06:08:59
One more comment to add. It's all a game of ifs and buts with hindsight a wonderful thing.
DCL not getting on the end of the pass across the 6 yard box from I think Richie. If only DCL had just chucked himself as the ball was coming over...
195 Posted 16/05/2022 at 06:13:40
196 Posted 16/05/2022 at 06:18:50
We have to stick with a manager. That's been our problem.
Get through this on Thursday and Frank Lampard can do what he needs to do in the summer.
For those who are more that way inclined, I anticipate partly through necessity and partly through his way, that we will see a lot more younger players introduced.
Whatever league we're in, we'll be there. I will be.
197 Posted 16/05/2022 at 06:59:49
Re the racist remarks, Brentford play Leeds, if it's a choice between Leeds and Everton staying up who, if you were a Brentford player, would you like to avoid relegation? Who would you want to help? Leeds fans or the racist fans at Everton?
We're now all tarred with the same brush. The racist scum abusing the Brentford families should be named and shamed.
199 Posted 16/05/2022 at 07:22:33
There have been some rule changes over the years but most of them of little use such as the kick off, players in the penalty area for goal kicks, sending off the last defender for fouling an attacker whether deliberate or accidental, the drop ball and not offside until you play the ball but nothing has been done to stop the shirt pulling wrestling matches that are corners and free kicks. The only change that seems to be working is the can of shaving foam which is probably the extent of English referees technical expertise.
Can it be changed? Frank's hearing would be a good place to start but unfortunately would need the backing and support of our ne'er-do-well Board.
200 Posted 16/05/2022 at 07:23:20
What minute was this in?
201 Posted 16/05/2022 at 07:29:26
If Delph and Mina were fit yesterday, that game is won. But instead a patched up back line screened by Doucoure who can't pass, Gomes who is just hopeless, and a mixed bag up front.
Survival will come down to whether who we have available to play on Thursday. If we play with that back 4 and same midfield will be playing championship football next year, and that's what they are.
203 Posted 16/05/2022 at 07:39:43
Some of the decisions Ive seen Oliver give against Everton over the years, made me feel cheated, but its gone now, (fuck ref watch) and yet again…. Why cant these referees be made to consistently explain their inconsistent decisions?
204 Posted 16/05/2022 at 07:41:45
205 Posted 16/05/2022 at 07:45:51
As a fan base and as a footballing supporting country, we have mostly moved on from that bar a few remaining ignorant bigots.
I won't repeat on here, but I remember when our supporters had a very prominent and racist chant in the 80s. I know an Evertonian who gave up his season ticket when we signed Daniel Amocachi. I recall a Runcorn based supporter who used to stand next to me in the Gwladys Street and travel to away matches on the same coach with a badge proclaiming the same chant. The Daily Mirror called us out if I remember?
I don't say those things to be controversial, but as my mother always told me, look in the mirror before you point fingers, because they are often pointing back.
Liverpool has always been a city of diversity based on our outward looking history. The oldest black and Chinese communities in the UK. I know I keep going on about it, but the same lady, her daughter and son still serve me in the Goodison Supper Bar now just as they did when I was 14; I am now 50. In between, I've been to South Armargh, Bosnia, the Middle East and Afghanistan. Then back to Goodison. Lovely people; more a part of the County Road community than me.
We are all human beings regardless of what we look like or where we come from. And I am not looking my fighting best these days!!
The UK is built on immigration as are other countries mostly. I am half Liverpool-Irish, 1/4 Northern Irish and 1/4 Scottish. This type of bigotry has never had a place and never should have.
206 Posted 16/05/2022 at 07:48:33
The only player who deserves a kick up the butt is Rondon for the two-footed lunge. I suspect that will be the last action he will be seen in a blue shirt, ending what has been total waste of his time and our money.
I think Calvert-Lewin is done for the season as well, he pulled up just before the end holding his thigh, I fear a recurrence of his season-long injury?
We are running out of games and players... Patience went long ago.
207 Posted 16/05/2022 at 07:51:33
The winning goal really shows we need a dominant fit centre-half. Still think that may be Branthwaite but that's put to bed for now.
What was Doucouré doing with the open-goal header??? Terrible.
208 Posted 16/05/2022 at 07:52:33
Shirt pulling. It fumes me.
209 Posted 16/05/2022 at 07:56:09
Its not really the game, or time, for the latter, but for me its still the least of the two risks. Coleman has been “gone” for 3 seasons now. Thats as a right back, and he has never been (and should never be) a premier league centre back. Kenny is too short too.
Whilst Iwobi has done well there, hes wasted at RB and needs to be back in the middle.
Assuming Keane is not fit, my team for Thursday would be:
Kenny Welsh Holgate Mykolenko
Gordon Doucoure Iwobi Allan Richie
4-5-1. Gray, Dele and Dobbin off the bench if were chasing it.
210 Posted 16/05/2022 at 08:03:31
Christine, it will all be fine come Thursday night. We can breathe again and I can sleep on the train home Friday morning.
211 Posted 16/05/2022 at 08:12:50
If we stay up, this will repeat again and again. There is something deeply wrong when a young centre-forward is only interested in getting his name on a goal. Relegation is probably the best solution.
212 Posted 16/05/2022 at 08:17:03
But I have to concur with Lampard that decisions are going against us with alarming regularity. Yesterday we got one of 3 stone-cold penalties. Not even a VAR check for blatant body check or shirt pulling. The latter allowed to play on resulting in a sending off and subsequently loss of the game.
It's no longer a case of bad luck or rub of the green, it keeps happening at key moments that change games. It's hard to believe it's just bad luck because it's the absence of using VAR checks in the very areas it was designed for that have lost Everton players and points.
If we do get relegated it won't be just because of Benitez, or the players, but a large part of that blame will be the referees and its governing body.
If we are relegated the club should sue the referees association and the FA citing bias, gross negligence by officials and failure to rectify the club's genuine claims.
Enough. Just Enough.
213 Posted 16/05/2022 at 08:31:49
214 Posted 16/05/2022 at 08:38:01
Obviously that went out the window after Branthwaites sending off
Hopefully Im wrong but I fear for anything on Thursday
Regarding VAR, I have been totally against it since it was first mooted. Nothing has changed.
Incompetent referees are now sitting somewhere still making incompetent calls
There is no consistency and clear and obvious errors ignored one week and not another
No doubt therell be another raft of clarifications this coming close season which will add to the confusion next season
Get rid and asap
The dickhead abusing the Brentfords players families should be named, shamed and banned. No place for tossers like him/them
215 Posted 16/05/2022 at 08:38:50
The truth is we as a team and as a club are also below average. So as much as we all love to moan and blame others, especially referees, it's Everton where the problem is.
Long-standing issues that we are all aware of that have unbelievably managed to get worse with Moshiri's investment.
But as fans we can only hope that our support can help lift the performances. The lack of respect, the flares in the stadium, and any abuse needs to stop. We are Everton, not some backwater racist club.
Sorry for the misspellings my phone refuses to play ball or edit text correctly.
216 Posted 16/05/2022 at 08:47:26
John & Justin - you hit the point. It's not VAR that is the problem. We've seen technology work in sports like Tennis and Rugby. But the key is having competent officials whether on the pitch or reviewing the decision.
3 points on Thursday then one at Highbury. I don't have ticket for the latter but I will travel and be outside. The dogs have told me it's going to be okay. But they are asleep.
217 Posted 16/05/2022 at 08:49:51
VAR has been designed to keep the game flowing, not to put ref's straight. Unlike Rugby where it really does intervene and play can be brought back.
The biggest error was Branthwaite, who, in my opinion got too close to Toney, Toney felt him on his back and left his leg dangling there to get the lad sent off.
Branthwaite was unfortunate( if it was St Virgil, it would have been classed as "a coming together").
Inexperience on Branthwaite's part.
i also thought that a Bees player was offside in their first goal, in the build-up I saw the goal scorer offside for the first cross, by the second cross, he was onside, but I have seen play brought back that far to check goals in previous games.
This particular ref has seemingly done us down on previous occasions. Perhaps he dislikes some of our lads or EFC as a whole.
If I was a ref, I know that my deep distain for certain clubs and players who I think are cheats, would subconsciously influence my decisions.
The team looked fired-up and dangerous in that fist 20 minutes.
Granted, we also looked disjointed in defence but before the sending off, I was confident of the win.
Frank has dithered on his subs and to leave the deminutinve Coleman to play CB with Iwobi as right back was crazy.
Surely he could have got Kenny on, pushed Myko(who is tall) to CB and Seamus on the right.
Then iwobi could have used his energy to give us more possession.
Frank was dealt a poor hand but he allowed his opposite manager to pull his pants down by cleverly taking off two guys on yellows, and going to a back three.
Frank, once again was passive, didn't react and the game was gone. Lampard spent a few minutes talking to his young sidekick, when he had Clements and Duncan sitting there like stewed prunes.
I have zero faith in his in-game decision making.
The bubble has burst. We have imploded.
The crowd has papered-over the cracks. Now our "big players" are crocked, we are relying on Keane to get over his "sickness".
We need to play Delph and replace him with Allan. We need to get Dobbin on the bench and pump Mina full of pain- killers and get 90 minutes out of him. He can then have a rest.
Tom Davies instead of Gomes.
219 Posted 16/05/2022 at 08:50:21
220 Posted 16/05/2022 at 08:53:07
Branthwaite had to go, no complaints. He should have let Toney run in on goal, at least then Pickford has a chance to save, or Toney misses - if we concede, well we still have 11 on the field and a chance in the game. We were looking decent as well. It was Branthwaite's mistake, not the refereeing.
The shirt pulling at the other end was 6 of 1 and half-a-dozen of another – nothing to see there at all. That's never a penalty and we'd have been furious if it was given against us.
We're all too quick to blame other people for our failings, but it starts at home. The problem isn't the officials, the problem is Everton Football Club.
On a more positive note - beat Palace, stay up.
221 Posted 16/05/2022 at 08:59:55
I'm not against that, but a more experienced centre back firstly would have commanded the situation and marked the space as much as the player. He got caught behind. Secondly, would have realised the situation and gone to cover the goal; drop off once you realise you're playing catch up. Thirdly, just leave it to the keeper and stay on the pitch. Nil out of 3 for the young lad for me.
Decision making. One of the most important aspects of playing football outside of instinct.
222 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:00:14
If we get those 3 points on Thursday, we stay up, Leeds can only get 38 points – we will have 39.
223 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:01:59
Even just try El Ghazi for something different. It's just all weird.
224 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:07:02
225 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:07:54
226 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:10:55
227 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:12:26
228 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:18:11
I feel the same about Delle Ali, DVB and El Ghazi.
What was the point in signing these guys?
It just sounds like more Dodgy transfer dealing to go along with all the other signings since Moshiri took over.
Boy have we signed some awful players. No wonder we are struggling for survival in the top flight.
Maybe we will find out the truth one day?
I knew something was amiss when we signed Williams and Bolasie a couple of years back. Just not the type of players you would buy to start team building.
229 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:20:38
That FA Cup Semi-Final was in the season before we got promoted and Dave Hickson was concussed after another encounter with Malcolm Barrass. He didn't know where he was…
I fact, the referee sent him to the sidelines to be looked at by the trainers. He had asked Dave the score and Dave replied "We are winning 2-0" – it was Bolton who were winning by that score.
230 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:24:16
My big worry is that the manner of the defeat will have a carry over to Thursday and we will go into the Arsenal game needing something from the game or for results to go our way in the Leeds and Burnley games.
For Thursday, Keane to come back in, Davies or Allan or Delph to replace Gomes and Gray to start ahead of Gordon.
Some horrible days of worry ahead!
231 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:30:55
Same with our football. Some bafflingly bad luck with refereeing, some poor decisions by players and management.
If we do go down, its down to our poor displays over the entire season, but that 0-0 at Watford haunts me. I can see why frank played it so safe, but that was a team just relegated, manager leaving, and 7 players missing, that had lost 11 on the bounce at home and in their next home game shipped five to a team we had just beaten.
232 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:31:08
I get myself into enough trouble following this lot. If I end up at Millwall next year, Mrs Danny has already refused bail and told me not to use my obligatory call.
233 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:33:44
234 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:38:30
We were so close to blowing them away!
But we must move forwards. Quickly. We are still the bookies firm favourites to avoid relegation. We may have already done enough and have 2 chances to seal the deal ourselves.
Palace are a better team than Brentford I'd say but there's no reason we can't beat them. Equally everyone assumes we will get nothing at Arsenal but that is a young team that might easily falter under pressure.
I feel more confident of our survival now then I did a few weeks ago. The players are giving everything and I think the fans are doing the same and even more.
Most Burnley and certainly Leeds fans would choose our situation over theirs. It's painful that we are even in this situation of course but think we save the post mortem for later.
2 games left to retain our PL status. COYB.
235 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:41:21
Not sure if there is any chance we can get Mina and Delph patched up for Thursday. Could really do with them. Thankfully it seems Brentford hate Leeds so will be up for their game against them on Sunday.
All in all it's a pretty depressing Monday morning, but I'll be back on Thursday for the final push. Our record at Goodison under Lampard has been pretty decent. We can do this.
236 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:46:34
Thanks for letting me know that Palace is at home. A bit more optimistic now. Working out the permutations thinking about the players we have to depend on, had me round the bend.
Hopefully Allan is fit and Van de Beek has decided to make himself available. Gomes contributes to a walk-through midfield. Now dependent on Calvert-Lewin, though I am still not impressed: position, runs, ball skills below standard.
Rondon turned out to be the plank most said he was. That tackle was madnesses, leaving Everton with fewer alternatives. Keane will be back which means we will have some sort of defence, rather than a makeshift one.
237 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:46:57
While Im here just a mention to Kieran in a post on this thread: That 6-0 defeat to Sheffield Wed, was at Hillsborough not Goodison, see even swanking with my memory now!!
238 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:48:32
Every time Erickson had the ball, you knew something was going to happen. We looked dreadful, I just can't see any goals coming from anyone apart from Richarlison. Alli, Van de Beek and El Ghazi – what was the point of getting them...?
I just hope that we can get something on Thursday.
239 Posted 16/05/2022 at 09:58:35
Was thinking throughout the match about how improved we would be with Erikssen in midfield and Toney in attack. Of course, Toney would not come within a million miles of us now given the abuse his family suffered. But quality players are out there with a coherent recruitment strategy.
Get through this hideous season and regroup in the summer. A lot out and a lot in.
240 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:03:34
We started really well and Brentford were all over the place and I think the atmosphere got to them. Then we scored and everything was in place for a comfortable win. But a schoolboy error by Branthwaite changed the whole complexion of the day.
I have backed Frank from the off, he always speaks well and he had a real job on his hands when he took over from the toxic atmosphere that Benitez had created. But I couldn't understand our timid approach at Watford when confidence would have been high after beating Leicester.
And again yesterday when we regained the lead after Branthwaite had been sent off, for some unusual reason, he decided that we would sit around the edge of our box and defend from there. This allowed Brentford so much initiative that their goalkeeper was spending more time on the halfway line, so entrenched had we become.
Look, it's really difficult if you lose a man with over 70 minutes left in the game. But once they got ahead and we pushed further up the pitch, their back 4 looked just as nervous as they did at the beginning of the match, and I can't help wondering if we could have done better if we hadn't sat so deep.
Looking at the January transfer window, it just looks so bizarre. We allowed Benitez to sign 2 full-backs and El Ghazi, yet Benitez chose not to play any of his buys. Then Frank comes in a day before the window closes (not ideal) but signs Dele Alli and Donny van de Beek.
Dele is yet to start a game and hasn't even been used as sub in the last few games, and although injured Donny hasn't been the success I am sure Frank hoped he would be.
But he will have to answer as to why he bought a player that Mourhino, Conte or Santos couldn't get a tune out of at Spurs, and the fact we have bought him creates massive problems.
Yes, don't play him so we don't trigger the start of the payments, but we are still paying him £100,000 a week. I can't see anybody willing to pay him that sort of money, so we will have a hell of a job unloading him as we will have to if we go down.
I was quite puzzled by Frank bringing back Gomes but leaves Allan on the bench, I thought since that game when Clement had to call Gomes to the bench to explain what he was supposed to be doing, would have seen the end of him.
Apart from Richarlison, we don't look like scoring. Gordon is a very promising player but, at the moment, there isn't an end product to his game. I think he will improve in that department but just now it's not quite there.
Same with Gray: no end product, and I didn't pick it up at the match but amazed to see Calvert-Lewin talking to the ref telling him it was his goal, not Richarlison's, and replays couldn't tell if it touched him or not. Surely who scored was unimportant but obviously his ego told him it did matter.
241 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:04:19
But the decay was already far too deep.
Realising that, he's had to go very, very pragmatic instead which means there's no place for Dele. And probably shouldn't be for the remaining matches.
We haven't lost much at all with these signings. Unless the time or funds spent on these deals cost us other opportunities to sign players in more crucial areas, but I'll guess we'll never know if that was the case.
242 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:08:53
I've said before, Dave, I still don't recall whether my first match was a pre-season against Home Farm at Goodison or a pre-season in Germany against FC Braunschweig (Brunswick) in the 70s. It was around the same time but in the latter, the Germans battered us 6-0 and were chanting "Everton, Everton, ha, ha, ha!"
I was only 6 years old and my dad had a lot of explaining to do as we headed home. He obviously convinced me.
243 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:14:27
I know they played together at Spurs doing different jobs but can't Alli be a better option than fecking Gomes?
244 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:15:04
However, if it had been given, it also wouldn't have been overturned.
And that's the issue with VAR and refs, the ref won't give a controversial decision because VAR can always have a look, then VAR won't overturn it unless it's a massive mistake or it's in favour of Liverpool or Man City.
245 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:15:21
Im convinced we would have won and certainly wouldnt have lost with 11 men on the pitch yesterday. We were in control up to the sending off but it completely changed the game.
Palace have pace and directness and have beaten us twice already this season. We need calm and steady heads on that pitch which means we need to pray that Delph is back as we desperately need someone who can put their foot on the ball and take the sting out of it for a while.
It wont be pretty and it will be nerve shredding but its time for a new Barry Horne to emerge.
We also need Lampard to develop the skill of making positive substitutions rather than reactive ones.
246 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:20:49
The problem with the raucous reception is the law of diminishing returns. What must the fans do now to motivate the team against Palace, if that atmosphere couldn't get them up for Brentford?
What is it about this bunch of overpaid, dim-witted players that cannot gee themselves up against lesser teams? Nowrich, Watford, Burnley, Brentford, Wolves, Villa, Newcastle, Southampton, Palace, have all beaten us at least once this season.
Neither the team nor the board deserves the level of support they receive from easily the longest suffering, most loyal but bet down set of fans in the league. We must all have a screw loose.
247 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:27:02
Pickford - top level keeper.
Holgate - well and truly proven as C grade by now
Branthwaite - very inexperienced.
Coleman - God love him. But he's past it.
Myko - he continues to just be not a very good footballer. Probably a great lad. Certainly a trier.
Iwobi - about as bright as it gets right now. End product is still very, let's say, Alex Iwobi.
Doucoure/Gomes. Both really terrible footballers. Can't pass, can't tackle, positioning poor.
Gordon. Great prospect, hard worker, minimal end product.
DCL - phoning it in
Richarlison - yes. But he's on his own.
Between Frank and the fans we've got some effort and grit in there and that might end up being enough. But it's all we've got. It's a desperately poor team.
We didn't even have anyone with the ability to take a corner or set piece until Gray came on. To be clear, that's no-one with the ability to get a ball about 15 feet off the ground and land it within about a 15 square feet area. It's pretty basic level stuff. We tried Gordon and Mykolenko - both failed miserably. That's how poor this side is.
Thursday night is a battle. We're playing a side that is so much better than we are. That's why they're above us and have not been in the relegation conversation. Hope they're mentally on the beach and don't fancy what we bring.
248 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:37:15
249 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:40:30
The most miserable coach trip home I have ever known. I am trying to summon the enthusiasm to write about it but in the meantime I need a ticket for Palace as I am currently considering taking the coach and sitting in a pub to watch it. The game is not on terrestrial TV so does anyone know of a pub that will show it?
250 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:45:26
Eriksen is enormously creative with outstanding vision, weight of pass and is able to orchestrate teams and dictate tempo single handedly.
Alli, at his best, is more a dynamo. Constant movement, good technique, power and athleticism; able to link play and get on the end of things.
I'd say that Alli depends to a degree on having the right players and system around him. Eriksen less so.
It is strange that we have not seen a bit more of Alli. But it has been a long time since he has looked at his best and, reading between the lines, it would seem Lampard does not think he has the fight in him for this relegation battle.
251 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:50:58
252 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:55:42
Apart from that, the stench of the Premier League is pervasive. Who can believe in this system after the Man City handball, the push at Anfield, and the undressing of Richarlison yesterday, all in the penalty area?
253 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:58:33
Leeds's late equaliser seemed to prick the balloon of optimism, but Everton started well, scored the early goal, and seemed set for an afternoon of joy, until the official decided to ignore the shirt pull on Richarlison and allowed play to continue until the young kid got caught out and was sent off.
From that point on, despite the award of a penalty and Everton leading 2-1, the fans seemed to lose faith and the players followed suit, or that may have been the other way around. Where was the clever play that was evident in the Chelsea game?
Anyway, that game is over now and we need one more mighty push on Thursday to try and get the win that we need to assure survival. We as fans can't allow our fear to envelop Goodison and thus inhibit the players, we need an atmosphere even stronger than the one against Chelsea. Each individual fan has to put aside the permutations and the ramifications of a negative result and just urge on the players and believe that the points will be won against Palace.
Following the Burnley defeat, we all would have settled for an opportunity to win one game to stay up, Everton have already had two failed attempts at Watford and yesterday... Let's make sure that it's third time lucky on Thursday.
254 Posted 16/05/2022 at 10:59:39
I'd take that right now!
255 Posted 16/05/2022 at 11:09:38
Benitez let it be known that he had no involvement in the January transfer window. He was prepared to offer to leave as a result.
The Transfer where a continuation of Brands's summer work and deals done in the wake of the Digne transfer, both which Benitez was not involved in. It is questionable whether Frank was involved either.
256 Posted 16/05/2022 at 11:13:22
Foul language is also wrong but endemic in society and on TV...
257 Posted 16/05/2022 at 11:18:56
Surely its time to give El Ghazi a go. I've checked and seen he's played RW, LW and even CF on several occasions in the past 4 seasons. He's scored 55 goals in 262 appearances for Villa, Ajax and Lille. He's also got 36 assists in the same period. Given our lack of goal scorers and players who create chances you have to wonder why he hasn't been given a chance, especially as Grays form has fallen off a cliff, Anthony Gordon looks to be running on empty right now and Rondon is past his sell by date. We need something different for Thursday, so why not give him a go. His stats are way better than Dele Alli over the past 2 seasons.
258 Posted 16/05/2022 at 11:19:04
Best we buy Eriksen then
259 Posted 16/05/2022 at 11:19:35
If true... then that's criminal. I've a Villa mate who can't believe El Ghazi hasn't been given a chance; he says, although not the greatest, he's a game changer on his day.
The turning point yesterday was the first sending off, we had them by the scruff up until then.
260 Posted 16/05/2022 at 11:31:37
Palace are a difficult team to play and they don't lose many games either. Mina would have been the preferred center half for that game but seems these players can't handle a bit of pain.
Delph is the same and I'm somehow hopeful that Frank offers him a nice bonus to get out there and play because he does bring a bit of calm and organization to the team. Just don't see where we win this game unless Palace are not up for it. A draw is not the end of the world but not far off it.
We would need another draw at Arsenal to guarantee safety if results elsewhere went bad. Too many permutations going on in my head but not sure the heart can take a final day battle for survival again.
Like a lot of you, I keep thinking back to the Watford game and if we'd gone at them like we started yesterday then we would have blown them away. We actually had enough chances in the game to have still won comfortably so can't point the finger at Lampard too much. Just pure lack of quality in our team.
OK, gotta get back the the league table again.
261 Posted 16/05/2022 at 11:34:23
Great post, I couldn't agree more.
Positive support is essential on Thursday, but the mass hysteria and panic displayed by many fans could actually prove detrimental to the cause. Rally the troops, but not to the extent that they lose their heads!
The fear was palpable as the game wore on against Brentford, both on the pitch and on the terraces. Frantic effort was no match for the calm assured match-winning ability of Eriksen. We played into his hands and his silky skills took full advantage. Sadly we have no such commanding General in our ranks to control our flow of play.
Instead, Lampard must select a team on Thursday and a formation which plays to its strengths. Vieira will not bring a team that is easily intimidated to Goodison. I'm certain that he will have his players well drilled in the art of channelling opposition hostility into calm control.
The match is played over 90 minutes, it has been evident in many of our games this season that we start like world beaters for 20 minutes then burn ourselves out only to be overrun and defeated. I've named culprits many times before on TW, but now is not the time for inquests. 'Cometh the hour, Cometh the man!'
Whoever Lampard selects on Thursday, I believe it is imperative that it is in a 4-5-1 formation.
And may the Good Lord be on the side of 'The Righteous'.
262 Posted 16/05/2022 at 11:52:15
I think in my long memory of Everton, Arsenal away has been our least productive fixture. They even beat us in 84-85.
Burnley are a wild card. I was hoping Spurs would tank them to give us a GD advantage, but there you go.
263 Posted 16/05/2022 at 11:56:07
264 Posted 16/05/2022 at 11:56:21
We cannot afford ill discipline. We have had too many cards in recent games. Poor refereeing or not, that fact remains. The game is an hour and an half long. All we have to do is get the 3 points at the end of it. If we go behind, or are struggling to force the issue then patience is required. Desperation and trying to force it will mean we come unstuck. We dont have the legs or quality to continually press and be on the front foot. However, covering ground sensibly, winning our 1v1 situations and building attacking momentum when we have the chance is what should be the focus.
Too gung ho trying to win the game in the first 30 mins will play right into their hands. Theyll kill us on a counter attack.
Im a fan of Frank. He is very emotional, very passionate. That passion will take us so far, but when he played, he played with a cool head and an assured determination. His players are not capable of this and he must find a way of getting he balance right.
The absolute last thing we need is to go to the emirates needing a result.
265 Posted 16/05/2022 at 11:58:21
We must "beat" Palace, no one will have our back and we can't expect them to either.
It's in our own hands, win on Thursday and all is good because Arsenal will tear us a new one.
They have as much to lose as us fighting for a European place. They have too much quality all over park for us.
266 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:05:02
The day we shit out of letting Benitez manage to the end of the season, relegation was written in the stars any new guy needed heaps of luck which just doesn't exist at Goodison Park.
Doomed we are.
267 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:09:11
268 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:11:41
I am 60 in September and unlike you I have lost the ability to stay positive no matter what is going on around me. I tend to worry about things that don't need worrying about, not that our survival falls into that category.
I want more than anything to take my seat in the new stadium on the banks of the Mersey with us as a Premier League Club.
If we get through the next week and survive I have great hopes for the club going forward. We have a young manager, learning his trade in exceptionally difficult circumstances. This is a great learning curve for him, he is experiencing situations that he never had to face as a player. He will be a better manager for the experience. He has a connection with the fans and that is something that has not been present for a long time.
I do think he can bring about a major uplift in our fortunes going forward and have the side playing a more attractive brand of football in the process. He did not come to Goodison to have the ball continually passed back to Pickford for it to be launched up the field.
If, things were not to work out this week then the consequences are potentially dreadful, therefore, the next couple of days will be easy.
269 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:11:47
It's our last chance. Leeds will beat Brentford at the weekend, we have to understand that. It's the biggest game in the club's history on Thursday.
270 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:13:22
271 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:19:27
Of course we could get something at Arsenal but they're going to going out all guns blazing against us and it's always felt unlikely, especially if they win tonight because Spurs play Norwich on the last day which is pretty much a free 3 points for them so Arsenal need to beat us to make the Champions League.
Bottom line is that it's all still in our hands, and that's something Burnley & Leeds would die for. We're still in pole position, albeit a shitty one.
272 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:29:09
1)….Tarkowski challenge on Richarlison. Could have been a straight red card, but only a yellow. Ok we won the game but lost Richarlison for a few weeks due to the injury he sustained by that challenge. Also what impact did Tarkowski have in the three games following, when he could have been suspended?
2)…….Shelvey challenge on Gordon at Newcastle. Straight red, no question. Again, Shelvey remained on the pitch, and again, what kind of impact did he have, when he should have been sitting in the dressing room? Debatable if Newcastle would have won the game playing with ten men for an hour, but well never know.
3)…….Two handballs at Southampton, one stonewall, but neither given.
4)……….Penalty against Spurs, awarded then overturned by VAR. Ok, Lloris may have got a fingertip to the ball, but in his next movement brings Richarlison down, denying a goal scoring opportunity.
5)………….Penalty incident against Man City. Need I say anymore?
6)………..Allan red card against Newcastle. Never a red. Again we won the game but more importantly we lost Allan for two league games.
7)………….Penalty incident at Anfield. Blatant push on Gordon in my opinion. Not even reviewed on the pitch side monitor. Seen them given down the other end!
8)…………Brentford yesterday. Winning 1-0 and should have been awarded a penalty for a shirt pull on Richarlison, but instead seconds later we are down to ten men. As usual, Dermot Gallagher on Ref Watch on SSN, takes the easy option and defends the referee. When you see a still picture of the incident, Oliver is not even looking at the shirt pull, yet Gallagher thinks Oliver may have thought both players were pulling shirts. How can he think that when hes not even looking at the incident? Also, it looked to me like Richarlison has a flat palm, his fist isnt clinched. The penalty we were given. Could easily have been a second yellow card and therefore a red, but Gallagher thinks it was just clumsy, and therefore not a second yellow. The sending off of Rondon. No complaints, was a reckless and stupid challenge, and a straight red, but think back to the Tarkowski incident earlier. No difference in my opinion. No doubt there are plenty of other incidents Ive missed. I know we have been dire this season, and some may say we cannot blame the officials for being dire. I agree with that, but that does not mean we should suffer due to poor decisions by these complete morons who claim to be referees.
As for the other results yesterday, particularly the Leeds one. The most important thing is they never won. A loss or draw was what we wanted. Had they won, they would have gone above us. They need to beat Brentford as even a draw is no good for them due to their goal difference.
Will all be irrelevant anyway, as well beat Palace
273 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:30:01
Last thing about the ref because my opinion has always been that once the decision has been made you can do nothing about it, (I know its different now…but) but what was even more sickening to me, was that a minute after the sending off, Oliver was stood in the middle of the pitch tapping his arm, indicating to Pickford, that he was going to be adding any time wasting on. It definitely looked like he was the boss, and he appeared to be really enjoying it.
274 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:32:12
275 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:37:18
I think I will give the forum a break until Friday morning, hopefully things will have resolved themselves by then.
276 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:44:48
What a time to be alive.
277 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:45:17
278 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:49:26
Given our track record it puzzled me as to why, in the pivotal moment of yesterdays match, with a 1-0 lead, we had so many players in the opposition half leaving the back line exposed to a simple hoof up the field. Lampards naïveté has made our league position more precarious than it might have been.
279 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:49:37
Being positive is all I have left, Christopher.
As well as trying to breathe normally and keep the dogs calm. Or is it them trying to keep me calm?
280 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:52:45
281 Posted 16/05/2022 at 12:56:54
I've one point to make and I'm going to try really, really hard not to partake in these conversations again as I'm starting to annoy myself.
Even if we allow for a certain level of bias, or lack of mental strength among the officials in the game, and also for sheer incompetence… Everton are not important enough to be the subject of a conspiracy to get them out of the Premier League – and certainly not to enable fucking Burnley to survive!!!
Anyone that disagrees with this point, I feel, needs to take a break from the site. If that doesn't work, then maybe see a doctor.
282 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:00:14
283 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:02:53
Thursday night followed by a relaxing day out in the London sun at the weekend. Reset in the summer and then off on one of Rob's European tours in 2023-24 that he's promised me before we head to Bramley Moore.
284 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:04:06
285 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:13:25
286 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:13:26
It is not a coincidence that teams like ours are getting reds. It is highly stressfull and rash decisions are more likely. We have to hold our nerve.
Frank has made lots of mistakes but seemed to have found a way to win. He is far from blameless but remember that most of this squad were here last season, with enough games in hand to sneak into Europe. They bottled it.
This lot's also demonstrated last season that they can park the bus and hit on the counter, but leave gaps everywhere when they try to take the game to the other team. We have lacked pace in defence and midfield for several years.
You can't do well in the Premier League without either very good touch (James, Sigurdsson) or speed. At present, we have neither.
Hopefully Leeds implode at Brentford, but I saw them play Brighton with tremendous directness and aggression, so they are capable of winning there. Burnly are an ale-house team, but they can keep it tight, and in Cornet, they have a match winner.
We simply need to keep it very tight v Palace and try to catch them on the break. We are not good enough to dominate. It's going to be very tough.
287 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:15:00
288 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:15:35
We are not important enough, the Derby is another money spinner for Sky as well.
We need to get rid of this conspiracy mindset, it does us no favours.
I'll bet for every poor decision we've had one in our favour throughout the season.
Its just plain and simple really... we are a shit team, run by a shit board, who employed shit managers, who bought shit players, who employed shit tactics.
I excuse Frank from the above as he inherited all of the above.
289 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:17:42
290 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:18:06
Ian (285), Oh, fuck!
291 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:21:16
They should have done it yesterday but shit happens as we saw from the officiating.
When you need a little luck it's very hard to come by so we have to earn it good style against Palace.
292 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:24:55
I will disagree on one thing though mate with all due respect; Everton aren't important enough? I live them. You live them. We all live them. Everton are massively important. Always have been, always will be.
293 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:29:10
294 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:34:25
For me, one of the more bizarre, but perhaps telling, aspects of our team in the last week is the sight of Jordan Pickford taking free-kicks from 40 yards or more out of his goal.
I am shouting "Get back in goal!", but then I'm thinking, well, perhaps, he is one of the best passers/strikers of a ball we have. And he has the self-confidence to take them.
As for our dealings in the transfer market in 2022, I am left wondering if we have a phantom director of football.
Even before Jerome's assertion that Benitez had no involvement in the January transfer window, I somehow felt the dealings weren't at his instigation.
Then, if we turn to the signings of Dele Alli and Donny van de Beek, they walked through the door virtually the same day as Lampard, so the extent of the new manager's involvement in their signings leaves me scratching my head. As for El Ghazi, I am totally bemused.
Looking to Thursday, if Keane doesn't make it and the other centre-backs are out, I'd consider playing Calvert-Lewin there.
Some lateral thinking is needed. I'd consider El Ghazi up front, but can he be match-fit now?
I don't understand why speedy Dobbin has not been on the bench. Play some balls through for him to run on to. Plus he will run and run and close down their defenders. Playing in the Under-23s will have kept his fitness up.
Demari Gray may be due a goal. He started the season passing the ball into the goal. But recently, all his shots seem to go a yard wide.
I'd be pleased to see Tom Davies back. He'll run and run and run. But then he's been out a long time.
I've decided that for the next three days I should for the sake of my mental and physical health, resign myself to the drop. Until Thursday, though, when I know I will hour by hour work myself up into a frenzy of unbridled optimism.
295 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:35:06
296 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:43:30
Now I know most will say he's a kid, no experience, this is our PL future etc. etc. but anyone who has watched him for the Prem 2 side knows that he is strong, mobile and has looked a real prospect. He is an England international for his age group.
He was the obvious choice to shore up the defence but again Frank chooses square pegs. Who would have gone off well obviously Gomes whose selection still baffles me completely.
As to the refereeing, we have lost 20 games this season and had we taken matters into our own hands we would be more than safe, irrespective of the decisions that have gone against us. I don't remember a referee making the dreadful tactical choices for us at Watford last Wednesday.
297 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:45:41
Players and managers are made to speak in front of of cameras minutes after the 90 plus minutes when they are understandably still caught up in the emotion and full of adrenalin.
They get reprimanded and fined for criticising or speaking their mind.
Yet the officials are immune. Unaccountable. They answer to no-one. They hide behind a cloak of secrecy. It's not a call of 'conspiracy', it's a call for openness and professionalism. The ref at Watford on Wednesday couldn't keep up with the game.
If they were politicians, we would be calling for heads.
298 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:46:52
299 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:52:00
As a straw to clutch at, it really is the final one as every team gets its share of crap decisions. The fact our lot can't tackle, pass or finish properly is what makes such moments look more influential.
Hardly conspiracy if your own players are creating the mess…
300 Posted 16/05/2022 at 13:58:01
Then there is the constant stream of games which we have to endure. It's like supporting 5 teams, when you combine the games you want other teams to win or lose.
I want it to be over, but only if we've stayed up. If we go down the pain continues, or gets even worse. I feel exhausted from it all.
301 Posted 16/05/2022 at 14:07:42
Sorry I disagree completely.
The conspiracy is to get Everton relegated so that the city of Liverpool is represented by the (in the current media's words) the best team in the world. They don't want little old Everton with all it's history back to 1878 confusing all the TV subscribers around the world.
They've airbrushed Heysel out of their history, let's airbrush the city of Liverpool's oldest professional club out too.
There have been too many bad decisions against us, that have certainly not been evened out by bad decisions for us. It's not incompetence as it's every ref, where any opportunity and they will always chose the decision that favours the opposition.
VAR has just made it more obvious. The non-penalty and then the non 2nd yellow card for the penalty given, prove that something stinks. A ref just cannot get both of those decisions wrong, especially with VAR there to give the ref a chance to look again to see if he missed anything.
We are way down the list of importance, but it is there "Get Everton relegated"
BTW Robbie Savage and Chris Sutton both said that if Richie had gone to ground in the shirt pulling incident it would have been a stonewall penalty. There you go, pundits who usually say that he goes down too easy are saying he should have gone down. You know something is not right when they are saying things like that.
302 Posted 16/05/2022 at 14:08:42
How about our dreadful showing at Watford!? Was that ref's fault too!? Or the collapse at Burnley for that matter!
303 Posted 16/05/2022 at 14:08:45
305 Posted 16/05/2022 at 14:11:23
He had probably nodded off waiting for something to happen which required a decision.
307 Posted 16/05/2022 at 14:14:45
I have been calling for this even before VAR was introduced, but its quite evident that refs do not want to go in front of camera's right after a game and explain why they made the decision. Just like they also don't want the screen to show what VAR has asked them to look at, and they also don't want you to hear the conversation between the ref and the VAR official.
Now you have to ask the question why both Rugby codes and Cricket allow you to hear this conversation but the football refs don't. Why havent Sky demanded that whenever a VAR official has got involved then everybody can see and hear whats being said, because they can show their Sky subscribers the pictures but us match going fans are treated with contempt by both officials and Sky.
308 Posted 16/05/2022 at 14:18:50
Reece Welch is very inexperienced but his stature and physicality had to be a better option as the right-sided centre-half. Shift Coleman to his right-back role, sub maybe Gordon and move Iwobi into midfield to press relentlessly with his energy.
Frank has opted for experience with out of position players but got it wrong in the heat of the moment on Saturday. The alternatives may have still not produced a win or a point but would have given us a better chance of fighting Brentford off.
309 Posted 16/05/2022 at 14:23:18
We had an headless chicken in Doucoure who cannot pass a ball. Gomes who has got guile asked to play in a defensive midfield role, who is not a ball winner.
So we had a defensive midfielder who cannot tackle and a roaming midfielder, who can not pass a ball.
A holding midfielder / leader, who can tackle and organise around him, sitting on the bench.
310 Posted 16/05/2022 at 14:35:22
The explanation is invalid and if possible foul play led to a goal it has to be reviewed. It was contentious, God's sake if a toe can trigger the VAR, then not a clear and obvious offense so the referee can do his job.
He made an error leading to a game changing moment and compounded it by its dismissal. A foul is a foul irrespective where it occurs. The game did not carry on to afford advantage, it carried on and gave unfair advantage.
311 Posted 16/05/2022 at 14:35:37
One thing is clear: the current referees shouldn't be the VARs. The current crop of referees are found wanting both on the pitch and in the VAR studio.
312 Posted 16/05/2022 at 14:51:14
Once we went down to 10 men, nobody was surprised when Brentford turned it around, because Everton just retreated and went into their shell, which also negated our wonderful supporters.
"Those who learn quickest go the furthest" was a phrase that was uttered very often when I was a young footballer, and I think this applies to Frank Lampard right now...
313 Posted 16/05/2022 at 14:56:31
Dermot Gallagher was full of contradictions, was the only genuine conclusion that I could make, and I'd much sooner hear from an official who was involved in yesterday's game. Let's get these referees to speak!
314 Posted 16/05/2022 at 14:58:50
315 Posted 16/05/2022 at 14:59:14
The squad is now threadbare and their collective nerve is shredded. I don't think they have the backbone for it.
316 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:00:19
Indeed, it makes its very existence worthless and a bone of contention if it's only used selectively at a referee's discretion. If a referee does not see something, the VAR does – surely it's an instruction to do so?
If a foul is dismissed in the lead-up to a goal, the VAR will pull the game back. If there is clear and obvious foul play in a penalty area, the VAR must ask the referee to review if he missed it.
If he did not miss it but dismisses it, then it's error and has to be reviewed. What is the point of the VAR if it allows clear and obvious foul play?
317 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:00:59
I could try to remember a list of decisions we were fortunate to get and use it as evidence but its probably pointless.
How long do you think this has been going on? Its just that weve had two last-day escapes. Surely that was the time to get rid of us? Or in the recent home games when we were favourites to go down. Its a very badly executed conspiracy.
Why did we get what I consider a very soft penalty yesterday? Why give us those if hes going to try to get us relegated?
318 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:02:41
319 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:05:44
320 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:10:04
The only thing that can fuck us is 2 defeats and a Leeds win.
I'll take those odds.
321 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:17:34
I don't think he did, down to 10 men 2/1 ahead, we needed an extra defender in as we new we would be pushed back in the second half.
He had choices, bring Allan on and take off either DCL, leaving Richie to work on his own, that he has done before, or Gomez as he is not a good defender or even Gordon who looks like he needs a good rest.
Lampard seems to take a long time in deciding to make changes but in this case he had plenty of time,as after the sending off he was shown talking to his coaching staff and I assume that was what they were talking about.
The sad thing about this season is we are now relying on other teams to do us a favor to avoid relegation, this is disgraceful and I don't want Everton to go down, but we should stay up on our own merits, not relying on other teams at this point of the season, so we need 3pts on Thursday, if not Lampard has proven he is no better than previous managers who ave been fired.
I don't understand what they do at FF,as when other teams have a corner I expect the worse and don't understand that when you watch
Erikson on video one of his favorite corners is that flat low one so why don't they position someone ahead of a player as well as behind,
Maybe that is why I am just a pensioner watching at home instead of on my luxury yacht in the Mediterranean.
322 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:18:51
So what you are saying is that if anyone disagrees with you then they are insane?
Very interesting debating technique.
323 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:19:01
Having said that, at the same time, we sometimes see the same refs give us significant dubious decisions in our favour - which are easy to ignore (Shane's example as one).
Attending away games, I see exactly the same sense of outrage expressed by fans of other sides at individual decisions - many of which I agree at the time could well have been given in their favour.
324 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:19:58
325 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:30:29
I haven't had a good night's kip for weeks despite swigging copious amounts of malt. Roll on Thursday and an end to the agony!
326 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:34:42
327 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:35:18
That drawn one could bite us massively – much to their fans' delight, who seemed to have an odd hatred of us.
328 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:37:35
"The sad thing about this season is we are now relying on other teams to do us a favour to avoid relegation"
That's not correct – if we win one of our games, we stay up. It doesn't matter what Leeds or Burnley do, it's entirely in our hands.
Yup, also worth a mention and further ammunition to fire up our players – if they ever needed such a thing.
I still feel we would have won the game yesterday had it not been for the first red card, and that gives reason for optimism for Thursday.
329 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:42:15
I know the feeling I got when Oliver ignored Richarlison's shirt beeing ripped off and sent Branthwaite off, so imagine how the player felt.
Despite that and a short period of total domination by Brentford, we were always in the game until Rondon's moment of madness.
Now it all hinges on Palace. Win and we're safe; otherwise, it hands the intiative to the other two.
Squeaky bum time, I'm afraid.
330 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:44:00
I imagine if I put forward certain views youd think they were insane too. Although obviously I dont mean insane literally.
331 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:47:46
332 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:48:38
However, I do think there is a lot of hatred, jealousy and dislike for us across opposing fans, teams, media commentators and - most concerningly - match officials.
I dont, for the same moment, believe it is beyond the realms of possibility that referees talk regularly to each other. Conversations along this lines of “got dogs abuse at Goodison the other week” Or “felt completely intimidated to give decisions” would be uncommon conversation. I also know Scouse prejudice runs pretty deep across the UK.
Doubt we are unique in the abuse, and in no way am I blaming the fans. We often have good reason to give every bit of abuse….Michael Oliver ALONE has already cost us enough points to remove safety. Hes not alone.
My point is simply that just because the idea of a “conspiracy” is out of reality, does NOT mean there isnt a deep seated prejudicial attitude towards us. That is no different than any other bigotry and needs to be called out and investigated.
333 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:52:28
334 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:53:41
335 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:54:00
Yesterday' game, like the Burnley and Watford games, clearly demonstrated Lampard's tactical ineptness. He should have brought Kenny on after the red card or even at half time but chose, instead, to move Iwobi back leading to us being overrun in midfield.
He dithered until 70-odd minutes by which time we were trailing 2-3. Even then he failed to bring on Allan, a recognised ball winner, and a player who can pass to a blue shirt.
Even with 10 men, yesterday's match was extremely winnable given the right subs at the right time. Notwithstanding the appalling refereeing, the game was won and lost by the two managers.
However this nightmare season pans out, we need a root-and-branch overhaul of the way this club is run.
336 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:54:08
The decision not to give Richarlison a penalty was diabolical and ultimately game-changing. Oliver should face his own personal ban after such a huge mistake, but nothing will be done or happen in what has turned into a corrupt sport rotten to the core, run by big business whose only concern is making money for filthy rich billionaires.
Got to feel for popular Frank Lampard, a really nice guy, god love him, he's given it his all. He's made plenty of mistakes, perhaps too many, he's showed great spirit and I hope he gets the win he deserves v Palace.
But why Moshiri didn't widen the net when he sacked red Rafa, only he knows. Surely a more experienced coach was needed, it's just another chapter in his personal catalogue of disasters since buying the club, but that's all history now.
We'll find out on Thursday if the gods are smiling on Lampard and on us. It's still in our hands and we should just make it but it's far too close to call.
The biggest post mortem ever will happen after this season has ended and rightly so, it should be very interesting, that's for sure, after the worst season in my living memory and I was born in the 1950s.
337 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:55:04
Christine, I have Asda carrier bags under my eyes. We can sleep on Friday. And breathe normal again.
And the dogs can relax. They're worried.
338 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:57:51
I hope the club identifies them as quickly as possible and bans them for life. Racism has no place at our club or in football.
339 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:59:11
After the racist incident, Brentford won't want particularly to do us any favours! We are trying our best to go down, Crystal Palace are a photo-fit of teams we like to lose to.
340 Posted 16/05/2022 at 15:59:14
341 Posted 16/05/2022 at 16:04:00
343 Posted 16/05/2022 at 16:12:59
You can partly blame Branthwaite. He was a little slow to react when the ball was hoofed forward. He actually caught up with Toney so he's not slow. But he misjudged the spin on the ball. He was on the right of Toney, looking from the halfway line, but the ball spun to the left away from him. Maybe that could have been anticipated more. But he's only young, he's playing because we are down to bare bones.
And therein lies the problem on Thursday. Who is now fit and willing? It's staring to look like a wafer thin cast. Some seem fit but not willing, some the other way round. Others, like Gordon, look plain knackered.With 3 CB's now likely unavailable we can only hope Keane recovers. Even assuming he does, I make it we're 10 down. Not all are better than the options we have but if you take Seamus, without back up, can he really play at 100% with multiple matches in a week? Not included in the 10 are Dele and El Ghazi. I've no idea what their purpose is to be frank (no pun intended).
Whatever patched up side goes out Thursday, we must win. This is by far our best chance of 3 points and I have a horrible feeling we'll need them.
345 Posted 16/05/2022 at 16:25:11
Going to have to be a backs against the wall performance. If we try to play expansive football their pacey players will run all over us. Probably means we'll try to grind out a 1-0 win. Oh the nerves!
346 Posted 16/05/2022 at 16:39:53
Someone on here once said Everton are like an abusive partner, they do nothing but take from your soul, break your heart then promise to reform. For a while, they do. But then they slip back into the old habits of hurt and humiliation. Alas, you can't leave them out of love, loyalty and the deluded belief that, one day, they will change, and your love will be reciprocated.
347 Posted 16/05/2022 at 16:50:31
Erikson was not discussed at Finch Farm.He was not seen as a threat to Everton.Noone analysed the way he played or thought of giving him special attention. He was allowed to do what he liked.
When Brentford changed from a 433 to 451 in the second half to take advantage of the extra man there was no tactical changes or substitutions by Everton to counter this...In other words nothing was done to take account that Everton had 10 outfield players, other than make slight adjustments to shore up existing tactics.
348 Posted 16/05/2022 at 16:55:16
A banging start to the Palace game is needed, a 2-0 lead, and no further misfortune. We have to win this game, I cant handle the final day permutations.
349 Posted 16/05/2022 at 16:58:00
We don't want to rely on that result though, far better to put it to bed ourselves on Thursday and win.
You never know Burnley could lose their last two games and save us also.
As others have already said it looks like lampard will be picking a patched up side against Palace, he's no choice.
Of course we still have the Arsenal game to play on the last day but we are 5/1 to win that.
350 Posted 16/05/2022 at 16:58:33
The Branthwaite red for me, is still a mystery. I saw it clearly as a coming together. It was clumsy and an accident. I've heard a lot of, "last man" arguments, but that is NOT the law as I know it. Reminder, I may 100% be wrong on this, so feedback is welcome.
The implementation of the law isn't if you're the "last man", it's whether or not you prevent a clear goal scoring opportunity. If there's a clumsy coming together, you've not stopped a clear goal scoring opportunity as there was a clumsy jostling for position, NOT a man grabbing or kicking out to prevent a goal scoring opportunity. Ergo, how is that a red??
351 Posted 16/05/2022 at 17:03:28
my personal view is that the majority of our (EFC) problems are real, tangible issues with the team/squad and club as a whole. I do though believe we are getting an ever-less subtle bias being brought to bear. There quite simply seem too many occurrences, growing in number, and with interesting consequences and timing.
More widely, I've posted once or twice recently of last month's renewed and deepened relationship between UEFA and Europol, to address issues of corruption real and potential within the game.
Whilst this might intuitively be taken as the upper echelons monitoring the lower levels and game as a whole to maintain order, and indeed will be manifest as such, it can also serve as an incidental signal to deflect from the idea of corruption/control from the top itself.
Now I'm not for a minute suggesting this is the deliberate intent. Two things to consider though; the fact a need has been identified for such a structure. And, the historically ironic truth that there is a past and proven record of unfortunate happenings within the game by exactly the structures tasked with maintaining function and integrity.
The takeaway from these two points - be careful who you trust, and be careful who you trust.
Sport and football in particular is a now huge, burgeoning and complex business, comprising endless relationships of collusion, competition, gain, loss, change, maintenance, good stuff, bad stuff, etc. And influences.
I think you go too far in suggesting something amiss in those exploring or considering possible machinations. Near impossible to prove, foolish to dismiss out of hand, is my way of looking at it. So, control the paranoia but minimize the naivety, keep the eyes open. To ignore ain't the way.
352 Posted 16/05/2022 at 17:04:05
Richie doesn't get the shirt pulling call. It was a pen, of that I have zero doubt.
Do you know WHY he didn't get the call?
Because Richie is a 30th level Master of the Dark Arts. He dives. He rolls around as if shot fatally. He embellishes. All of it, all of the ugly stuff he does.
Because of this, he has a reputation, and because of said reputation, he's not going to get marginal calls because he's continually either conning refs or acting the Drama Queen.
You reap what you sow.
Many of us have been calling for Richie to get the hell up and get on with it. Yes, he's kicked all over the pitch and absolutely should be looking to draw fouls.
There is a CLEAR distinction between drawing a foul, and morphing into Greg Louganis style diving.
All the above being said, I love Richie, I can't name another player who has played as hard as he has, we have to keep him, he is class. He's given everything to the cause and I adore the kid.
But he simply has to start to get up, get on with it, and curtail the rolling, whining, diving, play-acting, etc. It's not working, you don't get the refs on your side, and your name should rightly be sullied if you engage in deception.
353 Posted 16/05/2022 at 17:06:24
Ive heard they are the rules though, so if that is the letter of the law, lets forget about the shirt pulling up the other end. Watching it again on ref-watch, it never showed Richarison holding the Brentford defenders shirt, but it did show him holding him off with his arm, but its gone now.
354 Posted 16/05/2022 at 17:06:32
355 Posted 16/05/2022 at 17:12:42
Good points. I agree.
Shane - Your description of the event, even if Toney is goal side, doesn't meet the criteria of preventing a goal scoring opportunity because Toney is NOT clear through on goal! Two men, jostling for position, because one tries to reposition himself while watching the ball and there's a clumsy challenge isn't the same as preventing a goal scoring opportunity.
It's a foul and a yellow, all day long for me. I've thought about this a lot, and if anyone can let me know my interpretation of the last vis a vis "last man" [read garbage] and "clear goal scoring opportunity is incorrect, I stand to be corrected.
356 Posted 16/05/2022 at 17:16:01
Not because there may not be elements of truth in each respective argument, but because of this:
We are exactly where we are because of the way we've played and the shortcomings of management to make sound decisions.
The refs haven't helped. Perhaps a bunch of southerners in the VAR booth who have disdain for Scousers didn't help either. But we need to look in the mirror before we start pointing fingers.
Dare I say (gulp!!!), that other lot from my now 15+ year experience are the masters at finger pointing. I don't like it.
357 Posted 16/05/2022 at 17:19:28
Normally when a team is on the defence, more times than often they will clear the ball into touch, however if their seems to be an appeal for a foul or penalty, the defending team keep the ball in play, as long as they can, and try to keep hold of the ball, in doing so the official more times than not, keeps up with the ongoing play, whereas had the ball gone out of play, it then gives the ref a reason to pause play.
Had the Brentford player put the ball in touch, instead of launching it upfield, I am pretty sure we may have had a better chance of reviewing the incident.
The big mistake the ref made was giving out the Red card, without having the option to review the previous incident first,he made a Rod for his own back, even if it may be the letter of the law, something needs changing.
It is not just Everton, I have noticed it a few times this season, an appeal, suddenly the defending team play short passes, speed the game up, and get as far away from their danger area as possible, without putting the ball into touch.
358 Posted 16/05/2022 at 17:20:36
the Branthwaite one is tough. There are, all over the pitch, deliberate actions and accidental coming-togethers. The consequences in these through-on-goal issues change the dynamic. That position probably represents arguably the "Easiest" chance to score that a forward will have, save for a penalty - even though many players fail to take the chance.
It all comes down then, to a judgement of probability by the referee, and an assessment of what was deliberate or not.
It is possible as a forward to "Slow" into a chasing defender and fall. It's possible as a defender to run into a position of tangled legs, without it looking obviously deliberate (note - always raise both arms with forward palms).
It's also probably near impossible to judge the reality. Best of luck to the ref on these, I have to say*.
* and in the current spirit of the thread, assuming all propriety :)
359 Posted 16/05/2022 at 17:31:04
good point in the second paragraph, never thought of that. Also gives the players chance to "Appeal" to the ref when he stops running.
360 Posted 16/05/2022 at 17:39:00
Do we know that El Ghazi is even training with the first team?
361 Posted 16/05/2022 at 17:40:44
Remember 2019/20 season Aston Villa vs Sheffield Utd at Villa Park. The Villa reserve keeper carries the ball over the line for what should have been a Blades goal, Michael Oliver (the same) says that the technology didn't indicate that the ball had crossed the line in spite of the fact that every one knew it had. Bizarrely VAR refused to intervene despite being in possession of evidence that the ball had crossed the line. The consequence was that Villa survived by a point and Bournemouth were relegated.
362 Posted 16/05/2022 at 17:58:54
I think we only had 9 outfield players + 1 keeper
363 Posted 16/05/2022 at 17:58:56
I think we only had 9 outfield players + 1 keeper
364 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:04:10
How long have you worked at FF, Jerome? Keep us informed of what happens at training.
365 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:10:34
366 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:11:14
I read the referee and VAR ‘felt Richarlison was pulling the defenders shirt.
If there was no hard evidence of that and clear and obvious evidence that Richarlisons shirt was being almost pulled off his back then why did VAR ignore it ? On SKY refwatch the referee was looking in the wrong direction at one stage.
‘Feeling something doesnt cut the mustard, when there is evidence to hand , especially when it could see a club relegated.
367 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:12:06
‘ the away game at Bolton, which ended 0-0 Bolton scored a 'goal' that had goal line technology been around would have sent us down. And had VAR been around it would have clearly shown the foul on Southall immediately before the goal attempt.
I was in the stand with some Bolton fans and right in line with the goal, yes, it crossed the line but Southall was definitely fouled. Its an old chestnut that people drag up to make a point but choose to forget the foul.
368 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:20:12
It was obvious because of the way he was allowed to play.He is their most dangerous player and was known as such before the game.Everton did not man mark him or press him when he was on the ball.Often he was in space. As Bill said his corner taking was as he had done before.
369 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:20:34
Frank cannot say this but I will on behalf of Frank, if that happens across the park, Salah has his shirt nearly ripped off, then the very next phase, the ball gets hoofed up, vvd is caught out and received a red, there is absolutely no way that var would not have got involved, they would have been all over it.
The shite would have got a penalty and the Red card over turned.
370 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:21:49
This is what it's all about in a nutshell - the possession and control of pivotal information and subsequent outcomes, essentially entirely without consequence.
371 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:29:27
372 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:32:14
Anyway, 3 points on Thursday. Training today looked more organised than of late!
373 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:32:38
374 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:35:37
375 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:39:43
376 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:43:19
I still believe that we'll limp over the finish line,but not by our efforts mind but for Burnley and Leeds to flounder on the final day.
Arsenal. 2-0 defeat
377 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:46:52
Everton 2 Palace 0
Arsenal 1 Everton 1
We're doing this.
378 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:48:26
Ive always said that its a beautiful game but a disgusting sport.
Theres clearly been corruption and Im sure it still exists. And sure, its possible that Everton have been on the wrong end of a fixed result.
What Im dismissing is that Everton have been targeted by the powers that be in the English game with a view to getting them out of the league.
With regards to an increasing number of decisions going against us, I imagine that most clubs have an element of their fan base who think theyre jinxed, targeted etc.
It seems to be one of many strange behavioural traits of soccer fans.
In some ways its fascinating. In other ways, its very tiring.
379 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:52:00
380 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:55:50
381 Posted 16/05/2022 at 18:59:53
382 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:00:46
I'm sure I have my moments but I like to think I'm fairly level-headed and rational. However, this season, I have seen a consistent series of decisions against us that, taken together, look very much like corruption or an agenda of some kind.
When you see things like this, you can often calm yourself down by looking for a motive and finding there just isn't one. But, in this case, it's different.
Everton stood up to the Rich 6 in relation to the Super League. Everton also stand out as being the only club outside of the Rich 6 not to be relegated in the Premier League era. We are an annoyance. We are a barrier to untold wealth and domination. We stop the Rich 6 being able to justify their own pedigree.
We are not like Leeds or Villa or Newcastle (who can claim to be big clubs too) because we haven't gone down. Yet. If we go down, it is a lot easier to justify a Super League – and we'll have no voice to argue against it.
So I think there is a motive. And there is definitely a decent chance of actual corruption.
383 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:03:45
But, in the case of Oliver, something hasn't felt right in these last few games.
384 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:03:51
385 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:03:56
With the greatest respect to Brentford and Watford I would rate our players man for man more talented that theirs.
For the Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea games we pressed every time they crossed into our half we pressed them and made them move the ball faster inducing errors into their play and we took advantage of those errors.
We did the same after losing Branthwaite UNTIL the team talk and Frank must have emphasaised keep your shape stay in formation, let them come to us. The problem is that is the tactic he has used in all the other games. That is like letting the opposition take a series of free kicks, they choose when to pass and who to pass to and eventually they WILL score especially if it is kicked straight back to them. If you look at the replay on Sky TV you will see what I mean they are in two perfect groups of four and DCL taking Richy usual role just stood there maybe he has been watching Rondon play. Very poor play from DCL BUT he did keep in formation.
Did you watch the Spurs vs Arsenal game? Arsenal were all over Spurs from the first moment. Spurs were mindlessly kicking the ball out to relieve pressure and just heaped more pressure on themselves by following that tactic. Then it changed and Spurs kept possession played it out, kept the ball and won the game. Something we did not do in the Watford or Brentford games.
Two last points, I also think we need to win on Thursday or we are down so IF we do survive DO NOT GIVE FRANK a new contract for another 4 years.
Last point which idiot gave Holgate another 4 year contract???
386 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:04:27
I was reading some of the comments on TW last week about “putting a foot in” on Eriksen. This was obviously a tad old-fashioned for some people whose comments in reply seemed to suggest someone was trying to maim him. He is so far out there as Brentford's best player that, if you nullify him, you win. Peter Reid would have known how to nullify him and I think Allan might have done a decent job.
As it was, we gave him the freedom of Goodison, especially in the second half. Even down to 10 men and a bent referee, we could have won that game, or at least not lost, if Frank had set up to close Eriksen and the game down.
I was screaming for Allan to come on at half-time for Gomes and stick to Eriksen like a limpet. I also wanted Kenny on because Iwobi is never a right-back. Not necessarily taking Iwobi off but just don't leave him as a last line of defence. At that point, I'd have been tempted to take off Gordon or Richarlison for Kenny and shut up shop.
387 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:04:36
388 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:06:14
How much money will we have to remove the current faults? My bet is that we'll see none of your "long last" changes.
My bet is that Lampard will try his best and we will sack him even though he has an impossible job. They will sack him because, in the end, us fans will demand it as we demanded the sacking of all managers since Moyes.
389 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:09:18
390 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:12:52
1. We sort the board room out in the summer.
2. We have a respectable finish in the league.
3. We break our league cup duck. What is it about that competition? Let's fix it.
4. We qualify for Europe.
I may be a dreamer, but if you don't dream, they never come true.
First they take your pride. Then turn it all inside. So you try to stop, try to get back up and then you realise you're telling the story of they blues.
This is an emotional week so please forgive me. My heart was sold to Everton the day I was born and I'm never getting it back. I'm going to be more emotional than usual this week. Excuse my ramblings.
391 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:14:01
Leicester won the league six years ago. Shouldnt they be subjected to some bad decisions?
There used to be the Sky 4, now its the Rich 6. How did that happen? Will Newcastle make it the Super 7 with their wealth? Will the number increase to 10 as long as were not in it?
392 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:14:52
I have no idea whether we will beat Palace – heart says Yes, head says No. COYB 🙏
393 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:15:57
The last game Doucouré and Gomes played together in a two-man midfield, they were a disaster, and nothing changed yesterday. Allan is the only defensive midfielder we have, apart from the injured Delph. Allan and Van de Beek have to start against Palace; if he's not fit, start Davies.
Regarding the sending off, which we know should have been a penalty for Richarlison, but one big hoof from defence and Branthwaite and Toney are the only players in our half of the field?
395 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:18:34
Countless times this season I have watched lots of games not involving Everton where I thought Var was just endorsing poor decisions by the on field ref.
The spurs pen yesterday was a prime example of a team near the bottom getting a shit sandwich whilst the team at the top got the break.
Var has reduced the amount of goals in the Prem, increased ambiguity with on field ref decisions and generally turned most leagues in Europe into a bureaucratic mess.
I do have sympathy with refs, there are 22 players trying to con them into every decision. My sympathy ends when it's pretty obvious most refs have never kicked a ball in anger but just like officiating and being in control. They aren't much higher up the food chain than traffic wardens. Unfortunately the same types are running the game at fifa and uefa.
As someone posted above, we sit tight and hit palace on the break. A repeat of the cup performance would be a disaster.
Maybe we are due a decision from a ref.
396 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:18:49
397 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:20:04
398 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:20:19
I came across a Liverpool fan site who were claiming, with stats to back it up, that considering how strong they are at home, how few penalties they get at home.
399 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:23:46
Leeds had won 4 out of 18 away games this season and we have won 8 out of 18 home games.
Then theres Burnley who have an away game and a home game left and we have 2 more points than them already. Burnley have won 2 out of 18 away games and 5 out of 18 home games.
The bookies still have us third favourite to go down and more often than not the bookiee are right. Its still in our hands but all we as fans can do is go on Thursday night and offer our unconditional support. We cant control what happens on the pitch but we can help influence it by driving the team on as we did against Newcastle, Man U and Chelsea.
400 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:27:33
I personally believe that for a big club like ours to go down, it's a simple equation. A lot of things have to go wrong - injuries, marginal refereeing decisions, managerial hires, players leaving and not being adequately replaced, form slumps and even the league schedule itself.
When enough of these things happen, voila! And here we are still unsure of our premier league survival halfway through May.
But I've spoken to other Blues online and elsewhere and they do think there's something more than just "bad luck" in the decisions going against us. When I've asked why they've felt this way I've received some surprising replies.
My brother thinks that the repeated bad decisions are "payback" for our vocal and consistent opposition to the proposed (postponed?) European Super League. We were among the largest English clubs to not be invited, and one of the leaders in uniting the other clubs in opposition. Did we make powerful enemies within the UK football hierarchy? Or perhaps within the powerful media companies that are the paymasters and whom really do essentially control the modern game?
A Blue I talk to on another site holds that the poor officiating is linked to our ownership situation. The UK government seized and forced a sale of Chelsea football club due to the situation in Ukraine. It's well known that our owner is closely associated with an oligarch. It's also acknowledged that our owner is at sufficient arms length to not face the same sort of direct intervention.
In this scenario the bad decisions will keep on coming, if nothing other than to encourage Moshiri to divest himself of the club. And as a pseudo-punishment for his association and business relationship with Alisher Usmanov.
The fact is that both my brother and online friend have a plausible enough reason for the consistent bad decisions we are encountering. Neither is easily refutable although it's important to note that there isn't really any evidence for them either.
But they are logical enough points that fit the circumstances, and neither seems particularly far fetched or absurd.
We did piss off the big 6 when they tried to bolt for the ESL. Our owner is closely linked to Usmanov, up to and including the somewhat dodgy stadium naming rights deal and training ground sponsorship.
I've stated my position and beliefs on what's happened to us this season. But without definitive knowledge of what happens in footballs power echelon I don't attempt to impose those beliefs or views on others either. Ultimately if it makes sense and it can't be disproved it's as reasonable a theory as any other. That's my view.
With all due respect, I don't get the same sense of intellectual generosity from what you've written in this thread on the subject?
401 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:28:18
402 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:41:42
This has Everton having conceded only 2 penalties all season - joint second lowest (that other shower conceding zero).
And this from another site
has us being awarded only 1 fewer this season than the other lot (and those other high flyers, Palace). I assume it's correct?
406 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:46:34
Jeez, our fucking club, eh... I cried when we went 2-1 up yesterday. Now I just feel numb and totally confused with the running of our club, and how we play the game in general too.
I am just dreading Thursday now... I can't help it like!
407 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:49:07
But it seems to me that in both you parties views theyve started with a belief and worked back. Much like organised religion. God exists and heres why, rather than God probably doesnt exist because of all these reasons.
If we were among the biggest clubs to stand up to the Super League, shouldnt the other clubs who did it also be targeted?
When Chelsea jumped ship, werent they more damaging than we were?
And this would suggest that the conspiracy only begun this or last season.
But both of the scenarios are absolutely possible. Everything is possible, God might exist.
So I acknowledge both scenarios as being merely unlikely in my view.
Its not a matter of winning the argument. Ive no interest in doing so. Id actually love to be wrong but Im a bit of a prick when it comes to seeing evidence in general.
408 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:50:46
Ancelotti was shite. Utter shite. The rot set in under his leadership. All those home defeats. Remember being outclassed by Sheff Utd? The dreadful football. Allardyce was better.
Ancelotti never trained. He basically used it as managerial training for his son, Davide.
409 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:55:39
For those who know Brent (Brenda at weekends), he is one of the most balanced Evertonians and knowledgable followers of the game I've met, even though it's only been over a short time, so listen to what he says.
He religiously follows the blues up and down the country as well as watching the U23s regularly. Top blue - a bigger one than me.
Brent, I hope you don't mind me passing on my best wishes to Mrs Brent. I hope you are both well.
I told you I'm going to be emotional this week. Just put up with me.
410 Posted 16/05/2022 at 19:58:35
411 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:04:13
We started the second half sitting too deep. DCL was not chasing or closing down. He stood in the centre circle watching defenders pass and run past him. I was literally screaming at him to move his arse. It was like playing( at that stage with 9 men). Brentford saw this and took off a defender and threw on a more offensive player.
Lampard froze and did nothing. He watched Brentford dominate and allowed it to continue. It was clear we needed another body in midfield to stem the flow. He was outcoached miserably.
He bottled Watford away. Every other team going there since New Year has won except Everton. Those lost 2 pts could be decisive.
I'm not saying sack him. But in my view at big monents when a clear cool head is needed to make suitable decisions at crucial times he has been found badly wanting.
There is a way of playing with 10 men. It is not defending so deep you are virtually in the car park. 4-4-1 would have kept us solid. Two banks of four and attacking on the break. Sadly, Lampard pooped his trousers and turned into Corporal Jones.
412 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:04:47
I've just watched one of my favorite Everton YouTube videos. "Are referees trying to relegated (sic) Everton?" is around 20 minutes old.
I mention it only to note that there is a significant proportion of our fanbase now directly speculating on this very subject. This has not been the case for any other season I can recall in my lifetime. I do find that interesting.
Thanks again for your kind response.
413 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:05:25
414 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:08:49
Frank Lampard is our manager now.
The rot set in 30 years ago and is a result of how the club has been run, not the sacrificial lambs that have been our countless managers.
415 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:10:35
416 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:10:44
Anyway fourth time lucky.
In essence, we're talking about modern football here which is no stranger to vested interests in very questionable quarters. It is about power and money that goes way beyond sport. It is used for the reputation washing of very powerful individuals and even nations - and there have certainly been strong accusations etc of corruption eg Sepp Blatter.
Earlier in the season, some of the major players wanted to protect their dominance by forming a super league before Newcastle got their new riches.
We were very vocal about this and our resistance made a big difference.
That will not have gone unnoticed.
If we are relegated, we lose our voice on Premier League matters.
We also lose some moral high ground and the ability to argue that we, as ever presents in the Premier League, have just as much a right to Super League status as upstarts like Chelsea and City in particular, neither of whom have been Premier League ever presents. That status gives us a pedigree that, in fairness, other big traditional clubs like Leeds and Villa do not have. Leicester, Blackburn etc just aren't seen as big traditional old clubs despite spikes of success.
So our relegation would change things as regards the Super League. And it might also be a warning about the non Rich 6 are expected to conduct themselves.
So there's the rationale and motive. In know it won't persuade you but you did ask.
417 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:13:04
Typical classless Leeds... with luck, it will come back to bite them.
418 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:14:16
The guy who has won the league and countless cups in every major European league is shite! Hard to argue with you on that one.
Hindsight is a great thing: should Lampard have taken off a, b, c or d and replaced them with X, we may have won.
419 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:15:19
Ive shifted slightly up the conspiracy spectrum as a result. Add in a dash of naivety on my part and Im half way there.
See, its not about being right, its about being informed so, if you think about, I am right after all and I win.
420 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:16:43
421 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:19:19
That's almost exactly the same theory my Evertonian older brother has given to me in regards to the decisions going against us this season. I gave a more concise version to Shane C in #400 above.
I also mentioned that this is the first and only season I can recall that such a belief among our fans has become so widely discussed. There will often be a small minority who feel the powers that be are "against us" or "against then". To see this level of traction on the issue though is very interesting.
Shane, you can win every argument with me forever if you can guarantee we win this game on Thursday! (And deliver it!)
Thanks for the humour, we definitely can use a bit more of it right now. Even if objectively there really isn't all that much to laugh about.
422 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:20:17
423 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:23:37
Yes, Thursday is National Chocolate Caramel Day.
424 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:24:22
425 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:25:40
Before this season I'd have laughed at this sort of stuff because all fans feel hard done by. I've had a turning point this season due to the consistency and circumstances.
426 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:29:52
I have little more to add to support what I've posted really - other than to say, I've not traditionally been one to overly bleat about bias, beyond match day venting. This season has stood out to me as a little different and so has perhaps more drawn my attention. It's not happened this way before. It's not due to relegation concern as I've been there through that.
I've seen similar to what Brent cites before. They are of course anecdotal in nature - same for ours. I've also seen things going a little deeper, with statistics to support or refute many contentious aspects of decisions.
They never fully address the whole story; context, teams, history, recent "Political" or disciplinary issues, referee, potential league variations, relationships or influences known and unknown.
Now someone may be aware of work done in greater detail in this area that rationalizes further to refute, and indeed imply improved fairness. I'd like to see it if so.
There are though, glaring inadequacies in the current system and its application. Room for error or worse based on the very interpretation and inaccuracy that it was supposed to address. We've all seen examples of this, it happens every week. It needs sorting.
Until then, I guess the current direction of the wind just "Feels" a little different. Bit like they "Felt" Richarlison was doing some shirt-pulling :)
427 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:31:06
If you blame him for our woeful home form last season then you equally shoud praise him for our away record.
Winning at Anfield, the Emirates, Spurs, Leicester, West Ham and Wolves amongst others. He had an effective away formula that this season has reverted to type under Benitez and Lampard.
428 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:34:50
Don't eat sweets but I might try on Thursday.
429 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:36:43
My nerves are shattered my throat raw after Sunday.
God help me Thursday night!
430 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:39:08
431 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:39:48
I will make sure I call at the cash machine this time, with The Oak not accepting card payments.
432 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:43:21
But what goes unnoticed are all the little decisions that constantly go against you, a small foul not given, a fair challenge given as a foul etc. The game can be completely changed because of this.
The Mane gouging in the derby going unpunished after the event tells us all what we need to know. Wink wink!
433 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:46:02
Good on them.
434 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:51:27
435 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:53:19
436 Posted 16/05/2022 at 20:59:34
Thanks for your continued support.
Please gather some fans together, buy smoke flares and a shed full of fireworks, then find Leeds' hotel.
437 Posted 16/05/2022 at 21:09:21
The deliberate or reckless but only matters if it's in the penalty area. If it was a penalty then Branthwaite wouldn't have been sent of as that would be a double punishment. That rule came in a few years ago. It wasn't deliberate but it was a foul and prevented a goal scoring opportunity. Red card.
As for VAR, we were stiffed on the Allan sending off. The ref saw the challenge, judged it, and yet VAR re-reffed the game. That's completely against it's own rules.
Whereas we've been on the wrong end of its implementation in the City, Liverpool and Brentford games. It's not there to make the correct decision. That's just a fact. The ref makes an interpretation of those decisions and VAR goes with them. That's what VAR does. My problem with that is that the refs aren't making big decisions because they have VAR.
I don't watch other teams. I read social media comments saying that VAR is the same for everyone.
If that's true, and it's producing these kind of outcomes, then why has it not been canned yet? It's a system that isn't making correct decisions - and they very easily could. If they sent the ref to the screen in all those instances then the ref would award a penalty without any doubt in my mind.
So why is it still here?
438 Posted 16/05/2022 at 21:11:09
The facts are there have been too many decisions this season that either haven't gone for us or have gone against us. Only afterwards, when everyone analyses the games does everyone go “Actually…. That was a pen or handball” etc etc.
I have said for ages something isn't right and I would send an independent body in to the refs asap to check their communications as there is something very fishy about what's been happening. It's not theory, it's fact.
Anyway, onto Thursday. I have taken the day off work. I have my ticket, I have my flares, I have my scarf, I have my voice… by God, I plan to be heard.
Let's give them hell. Let's all stand for the 90 minutes, let's make the place bounce, let's get behind the boys, and let's get a win, and everyone get out afterwards and have a cold bloody pint or two!!!
COYB!!!!!!!!!!! Time to just get it done!
439 Posted 16/05/2022 at 21:11:36
440 Posted 16/05/2022 at 21:31:59
Apparently Palace are now staying out of town somewhere to avoid the fun. Ungrateful if you ask me, those guys go to great trouble and expense to put on those displays.
441 Posted 16/05/2022 at 21:56:54
It may well be the case that Brentford players, staff and fans would be happy for Leeds to go down. But equally it could be said that the swamp life masquerading as Evertonians who racially abused members of Brentford players' families on Sunday have caused them quite justifiably to feel the same way about us.
442 Posted 16/05/2022 at 21:57:53
443 Posted 16/05/2022 at 22:09:41
444 Posted 16/05/2022 at 22:26:42
Second thoughts – coming up from the south, they may sneak onto the Wirral. Get your boots on, Lad!
445 Posted 16/05/2022 at 22:42:47
446 Posted 16/05/2022 at 22:48:11
447 Posted 16/05/2022 at 22:54:04
Peter - that's one of those statements that could be either a joke or entirely true...!
448 Posted 16/05/2022 at 22:54:57
But I feel this malaise started way back when Sky formed The Premier League. Television joined in and money took over as the most important thing. To hell with sport - it is a business and the richer the club, the more the media supports it.
If only the clock could be turned back to when football was a game, and players were loyal to the club.
I know, I'm rambling… this last month or so has worn me down. I love Everton but, like Christine and others, I'm tired and need sleep. I am still ill and wish this season was already over. Please, Everton, do us all a big favour and make sure we win on Thursday... please!
449 Posted 16/05/2022 at 22:58:13
450 Posted 16/05/2022 at 23:07:54
Yes we do. Where they are going on holidays. Any training video, you would think no-one has a care in the world.
It is as if a game plan was decided before the game by Everton that ignored the way the other team played. Another way of putting it is we will do our thing and not worry about them. With the sending off, there was a cobbling together of the players available to keep the same plan going. This continued right till the end of the game. The subs were to maintain the plan, not to address the problems a 10- or 9-man Everton where facing.
I don't think the players are allowed the initiative to adapt their play, to do as Peter Reid would have done regarding Eriksen. A toe in to spoil Eriksen's play would have been sufficient. Instead, Eriksen was allowed to orchestrate the game. Sticking to the Plan is a form of rigidity similar to what Ancelotti put in place to compensate for poor tactical and technical ability.
Frank's style is open attacking football with a high press, but the press is inconsistent. In the Watford game, against a team of some players on trial, it was non-existent. To do imo the necessary changes to defence you suggested would have changed the plan. Both Kenny and Allan in particular should have been on at the start of the second half as suggested.
As for Gomes, he was selected on his performance against Brentford the last time. He was given the freedom of the park that game and was exposed in the next two games. Eriksen just waltzed through the midfield.
Defending at set-pieces is woefully organised, but now we know that analysis of an opposition team's set-piece tactics is non-existent. It could also be that those that are coaching for set-pieces have not got a clue.
The one point in the first Leciester game could prove crucial, as a lot thought at the time.
451 Posted 16/05/2022 at 23:27:10
I doubt that will stop them. Wimbledon booked in to a hotel in Daresbury, Warrington, in 1994. It did not stop their kit going up in smoke, on their team coach.
452 Posted 16/05/2022 at 23:37:37
I had a good sleep, spent yesterday decorating (badly) but still have a flatness of spirit and, like you, it's not doing my health any favours! But take it easy, no matter what happens, post- season is only a matter of days away!
Regarding inquests and reasons, I have tried really hard to stick by the comments I made about a month or two ago, that what is required is full-on support for the team and manager until we get this successfully over the line (and we will). After the season ends, the gloves are off.
This is my club. I love it more than many people I know (even some family! lol). It has been shredded by incompetence that goes back 20 years – not just the last few managers.
We have an owner who has poured money in, a recruitment policy for managers and players that is at best naive, at worse incompetence. Players (so many of them) who should never have been bought in the fast 5 years, managers who should never have been appointed, incompetent financial management that has shackled the club's ability to sign players, the appointment of a manager from the other side that drove nails into a fanbase.
So, right now is not the time to even contemplate the above; Palace first, Arsenal next. But the truth is laid out for all to see.
Moshiri has been absent in recent times, giving fuel to the embers that he is intent on selling the club. I hope he does, not because he hasn't tried, but because he failed. We need a real clearout, not just a pampering to keyboard warriors (self included, I suppose).
But right now, I am 150% behind the team, no matter who is playing, no matter what shape or how frustrating it is, the result right now is bigger than any player or manager.
How we achieve it is with full voice at Goodison, full-on aggresion and commitment. Nothing else matters.
Hang in there, Bernie... better days are coming!
453 Posted 16/05/2022 at 23:55:03
He had to have been taking advice from so-called experts, Bill included; he stumped up a massive amount of money that's been spunked up the wall by incompetent managers (Silva not included, because I'm convinced he would have turned us around).
He may be to blame for Benitez but someone must have gotten into his ear over him.
454 Posted 17/05/2022 at 00:42:03
Thanks, love, for your very welcome reply. Glad to read you managed a good sleep and returned to your housework. I wish I could cover subjects the way you do and I always seem to be in full agreement.
Looking at the possibilities over the next few days, I think the odds are in our favour, but still… Once in the close season, I hope Kenwright retires and a big clean-up takes place.
I do hope Frank remains as manager and builds a new team; he has a reasonable amount of good young players to help him.
Meanwhile, like you and Danny, I don't care who turns out for us on Thursday – just WIN!
455 Posted 17/05/2022 at 01:13:23
Thursday is crying out for someone to be a hero, a Barry Horne, a Gareth Farrelly, some unlikely unexpected hero. It would be ironic after the pasting Keane and Iwobi got most of this season, if it turns out that one of the two netted a goal.
An unlikely hero is going to make his mark Thursday… Keane? Iwobi? Tosun? Or even Davies? I can feel it in my water.
456 Posted 17/05/2022 at 01:36:55
I totally agree. What finally cost us the game was Lampard's poor decision-making or, more to the point, lack of decision-making until we were behind. The same thing happened at Burnley and also cost us two points at Watford.
It was totally preventable. Super Frankie Lampard? My left foot.
457 Posted 17/05/2022 at 02:23:40
We can't keep blaming the VAR and match officials for our mistakes and poor play. Alrite, I agree we have had some poor calls but so have most other clubs bar the Top 4. The VAR is so inconsistent and needs to be scrapped asap.
I don't think the shirt pull on Richarlison was enough to warrant a penalty, to be honest. You would be giving penalties left, right and centre if that was the case – if it happened at our end and it was given, we would be outraged.
The game today has gone soft as shit with players' antics, rolling around on-field trying to con referees, and we have one of them. Maybe one of the reasons there was no call was that it was on Richarlison who is constantly going to the ground waving his hands around trying to win fouls. He is the most frustrating over-rated annoying player to watch – and I'm an Everton fan.
Praying we do the business on Thursday v Palace but I'm not confident with injuries and suspensions piling up.
458 Posted 17/05/2022 at 04:43:36
As for him being crap in this country; do you mean short of winning the Premier League with Chelsea?
459 Posted 17/05/2022 at 06:00:37
You see, I dont get that comment. I saw this watching tv, I knew immediately it was a penalty. Not because it was ‘bad or ‘a horrible tackle but simply because its a foul.
Taken from the FA;
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following offences:
holds an opponent
spits at an opponent
Slides in an attempt to play the ball when it is being played or attempted to be played by an opponent (sliding tackle).
handles the ball deliberately, except for the goalkeeper in his own penalty area
A direct free kick is taken from the place where the infringement occurred.
A penalty kick is awarded if a player commits any of the aforementioned offences inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball but provided that it is in play.
Therefore, holding, is holding a players shirt, its a clear foul.
What I have also found interesting is that the penalty given, their rule is below;
From the FA;
Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.
Richarlison is technically denied a goal scoring opportunity here as the defender drags him down. Does the defender attempt to play the ball? I dont think he does? Do we have a case for a straight red card? There was a covering defender, who actually fouled Richarlison aswell btw, however it doesnt matter because the player according to their law should be cautioned, second yellow.
Again, nothing given. And people want to close their eyes to the obvious agenda from the league.
It will be the same against Palace. Anthony Taylor. The same Anthony Taylor who didnt send off Shelvey at Newcastle in a tackle which many called a disgrace on Anthony Gordon.
Ive seen too many decisions this year to not be convinced theres something not right. Mason Holgate slide tackled a fella at Watford the other night and got booked for absolutely nothing yet I watched Fabinho for Liverpool make 4 mistimed tackles before he went off injured and not one of them he was booked for. Completely fixed.
461 Posted 17/05/2022 at 08:43:31
462 Posted 17/05/2022 at 09:05:02
How about the one they were awarded down at Palace, when Jota had ran the ball out of play, so decided to lean into the palace goalkeeper and went down. Again VAR recommend a penalty and send the referee to the pitch side monitor.
That on Richarlison was a stonewall penalty. The defender nearly had Richarlisons shirt up round his neck. Im surprised it didnt rip, he had holding it and pulling it that long.
463 Posted 17/05/2022 at 09:44:47
Brentford that is.
Our lot ??? I really don't know. Some of the kids are fairly blameless. A precious few of the seasoned professionals.
If my calculations are correct, if Spurs draw their last game, Arsenal would have to win by 8 goals to get Champions League football.
Their incentive in the second half Monday could be very low if Spurs are well up on Norwich. This is a very slim thread to base a season upon.
464 Posted 17/05/2022 at 10:14:12
465 Posted 17/05/2022 at 11:10:35
466 Posted 17/05/2022 at 11:14:37
I haven't seen any evidence at all that Richarlison was also pulling Ajer's shirt. The referee and the VAR excuse was that they ‘felt' he was. No evidence of it! No proof! – just a feeling. Whilst there is clear and obvious evidence that Richarlison is getting his shirt pulled off his back.
I don't understand the decision making when how referees feel about something get precedence over the clear and obvious facts of a situation.
The whole issue of when the VAR intervenes and when it doesn't is a total inconsistent mess. Some fouls are overlooked, others aren't, they pick and chose. Games are being won and lost at their whim.
467 Posted 17/05/2022 at 11:18:33
What more does there have to be? Im telling you what… you have to throw your legs out behind you and dive… however when we did that against Liverpool, the darlings of the league, we were criticised by the media from all angles. Again, if thats Salah yesterday he gets that penalty because Salahs arms would of been up in the air and he would of dropped to his knees.
What I dont get is the clear and obvious thing. So VAR has said ‘if the penalty was given it wouldnt of been overturned, does that not mean it was a clear and obvious error from the referee not to award the penalty in the first place? Because to me it is. The play should of been brought back for a pen and Braithwaites sending off over turned. Lets add it to this list of this season;
- no red card for Tarkowski against Richarlison at home. Knee high tackle that didnt even get a booking.
This was at 0-0
Game finished 3-1 to Everton
-no red card for Shelvey two footed tackle on a Gordon away at Newcastle. Got booked, however this was a red card.
This was at 0-0
Game finished 3-1 to Newcastle
-another 35 seconds added onto injury time allowing Villa to take and score a corner. I get another ten or 15 seconds but another half a minute, never.
This was at 0-0
Game finished 0-1 to Villa
-Tottenham at home. Richarlison takes the around the goalkeeper. Hugo Lloris clatters I to him, the referee gives a penalty. VAR tells the ref to goto the monitor as Lloris could of got a finger tip to the ball. Even watching the replays to this day I cannot see whether the ball is knocked around Lloris by Richarlison or Lloris get a finger to it. Clear and obvious mistake by the ref? No it isnt. However this decision is overturned by the ref. Whats worse is that the ref blew for the penalty when the ball was still in play. Everton attacking. The penalty was reverse and Spurs given a drop ball.
Also, in this game Mason Holgate won the ball cleanly in an tackle which he followed through on the opponent. Realistically, it was a yellow card, this is what was given. However, VAR instructed the ref to look at the decision, which was adjudged as serious foul play resulting in a straight red card for Holgate. How this tackle was any different from James Tarkowski? Insane.
This was at 0-0 and the game finished 0-0.
-Brentford away. Ball is crossed in. Rondon cant make any sort of attempt to play the ball as the defender has hold of his shirt. To the point were Rondons stomach is visible as half of his shirt is being pulled towards the defender. This wasnt given on the field, nor did VAR intervene and award a penalty. This was after Brentford themselves had been awarded a penalty which they scored.
This was at 1-0 and thats how it finished, 1-0 to Brentford
-Southampton away. 0-0 game has just begun. Everton on the attack, Townsend crosses the ball, Romeu moves his arm towards the ball. This is a penalty decision which VAR looked at and decided this was not worthy of a penalty.
This was at 0-0 and Southampton went on to win 2-0.
-Manchester City at home.
This one, is ridiculous. A decision which was criticised by every pundit and media outlet. Everton loosing by one goal in the 84th minute. Richarlison shoots and the ball bounces up off the keeper. Idiotically Rodri moves his arm towards the ball and controls the ball with his arm. This penalty is the definition of the term ‘stonewaller. Everton players reactions are for all to see. They sprint to the referee as it would seem the referee never saw the incident as no penalty was awarded. VAR then looked at the on field decision and shockingly did not advise the referee to go to the monitor. A crazy decision which completely made a mockery of VAR and how it is used. This incident drew an apology from the football association and head of the referees Mike Riley.
This match finished 0-1, with Manchester City taking all three points.
-Newcastle at home.
At 0-0, a tense game, neither team want to lose. With around ten minutes left Allan tactically and cynically fouls Saint-Maximan. Its not a good tackle however it is a tackle you see in most Premier League games. Newcastle are about to counter attack and Allan has no choice other than to foul. Allan clips ASM foot and a yellow card is given. Up steps the VAR. They recommend to goto the monitor as this may be violent contact. The referee agrees and rescinds the yellow brandishing a straight red card. This kind of tackle happens in most games. This was not a dangerous tackle. It was not an ankle/leg beaker, yet this was deemed a poor tackle and straight red card.
This game finished 1-0 to Everton. However this resulted in a three match suspension for Allan.
Three incidents in this game which need to be spoken about.
1. Anthony Gordon, at 0-0 is running in Liverpools box. Keita sticks out a leg which stops Gordon getting to the ball which he has knocked around him. Gordon, quite dramatically throws his legs high, however there is no doubt the leg movement stops Gordon, however no penalty is awarded and instead Gordon is booked for diving.
2. At half time the players come together in a melee in the middle of the field. During this, Sadio Mane raises his hand towards Allans face, pushing him away, this should be classed as violent conduct as you are simply not allowed to aggressively push somebody in the face. Assuming this is actually what Mane was booked for, he was lucky not to get a straight red card for this incident, however he was booked. Incredibly less than ten seconds later he did it again. Mason Holgate gives Mane a push and Mane put his finger on Holgates face, thrusting it upwards towards his eye. As this was missed by the referee and VAR are not allowed to intervene for a yellow card decision, no action was taken by the ref and Mane remained on the pitch.
3. To me, the most incredible decision during this game. Anthony Gordon is away, hes in the box and Joel Matip is chasing him. Not too dissimilar to Jared Braithwaites red card against Brentford. The defender is behind him, he catches Gordons leg and pushes him in the back. Looking back, not only is this an awful decision not to award a penalty but this could of potentially been a red card for the defender as the last man. This decision at 0-0 with the game having 40 minutes remaining potentially gives Everton the lead and something to hang on for. Instead, nothing given, and no VAR intervention.
These three major decisions cost Everton any opportunity to steal a win or nick a point. Instead Everton lost this game 2-0. Also, on the point of Anthony Gordon diving for his first penalty decision. I am still under the impression that it is simply not upto Gordon to get over and or out of the way of a trailing leg. How is this any different for Kennys sending off against Wolves at home. He leaves a leg in which Raul Jiminez made the most of, dived, and screamed in apparent agony. I am still convinced there is zero contact however the referee brandished a second yellow and sent Kenny off. Look for yourselves; skip to 2:56.
-Brentford at home.
The most recent and the most fresh incident. Everton are winning 1-0 in this pivotal game, a win secures Evertons Premier League survival. Up steps Michael Oliver. Richarlison in the opponents box is battling with a Brentford defender. This defender pulls Richarlisons shirt, again much like Brentford away, the shirt is almost clean off. Michael Oliver only about 4 yards away deems this action completely legal by the letter of the law and nothing is given. Low and behold the ball gets kicked long catching Jared Braithwaite out of position. Ivan Toney very cleverly runs ahead of him, feels contact, or rather draws contact and Everton are reduced to ten men. This whole scenario should of been rectified by a VAR review which should of found the Brentford player guilt of a clean shirt grab. This would of resulted in a penalty for Everton, thus a reprieve on the red card. However, if would seem this ‘tackle was similar to Joel Matip against Anthony Gordon at Anfield, yet only one of these was perceived a foul, and a red card.
Also, probably in the sense of fairness Michael Oliver decided to then award us a penalty. Now, this was a foul, however this was in my opinion less of a foul than the shirt pull. Everton receive the penalty and yet the central Brentford defender is not booked for this foul. He is not booked as this would of been his second bookable offence and he would of been sent off. Yet another awful mistake which has ultimately cost Everton.
Everton went on to lose this game 2-3.
Lets have it correct, we have been terrible all season. But lets also have it correct, we have been at the end of some really poor decisions this season. VAR was supposedly brought it to help referees. With so much going on I completely understand why a ref would need some assistance. However it would seem that VAR has its flaws aswell, so who is managing them? Who is at fault if the referee and VAR get the decision incorrrect? Do the referees have an agenda. Again, lets look at the refs and VAR during these poor decisions.
Everton vs Burnley - ref, Martin Atkinson, VAR, Kevin Friend
Newcastle vs Everton - ref, Anthony Taylor, VAR, Chris Kavanagh
Everton vs Aston Villa - ref, Craig Pawson, VAR, John Brooks
Everton vs Tottenham - ref, Chris Kavanagh, VAR, John Moss
Brentford vs Everton, ref, John Brooks, VAR, John Moss
Southampton vs Everton, ref, Andy Madley, VAR, Andre Marriner
Everton vs Man City, ref, Paul Tierney, VAR, Chris Kavanagh
Everton vs Newcastle, ref, Craig Pawson, VAR, Stuart Attwell
Liverpool vs Everton, ref, Stuart Attwell, VAR, Darren England
Everton vs Brentford, ref, Michael Oliver, VAR, Darren England
468 Posted 17/05/2022 at 11:30:41
Graeme B @ 467, you should send this to the club officials to pass on to the FA, good work. 👍
469 Posted 17/05/2022 at 11:34:36
470 Posted 17/05/2022 at 11:37:01
471 Posted 17/05/2022 at 11:40:44
I was going to use a stronger word but John Senior has already told me off once this week for slipping into the language gutter, so I am in debt for a Guiness already.
If there is an infringement or a foul, then it's a foul. Use the technology, don't be afraid of it. They should also use it to call out those who go down as if they have been hit by a Stalingrad sniper.
Football has massively screwed the VAR up. It could have been a solution to the incompetence we've seen over fhe years but it's actually starting to expose it more. No matter what, they hide behind the protective screen and silently refuse to be accountable. In Liverpool, that's called being a shithouse.
I managed 4 hours sleep last night. The poor boy was stood looking at me in the kitchen with concerning eyes.
Until I took his lead off the bannister.
Brian W, I don't know if it was here or on a different post, but I'll let you know about The Oak. Cash. Must remember cash. This contactless thing is way to convenient. Glad it wasn't around when I was younger.
472 Posted 17/05/2022 at 11:44:24
I want to see Calvert-Lewin run his bollocks off for once. I want to see clean tackles all over the pitch. I want to see every player die for the shirt. If we win 1-0, happy days... UTFTs
473 Posted 17/05/2022 at 11:52:56
One that never gets much comment for me is Southampton's first goal away in the 2-0 defeat. Andre Gomes gets taken out, the player smashes into him without taking any of the ball, and they go up and score.
Andre doesn't see the player closing him down and, at first glance, looks like he gets robbed but he get's taken out. This to me should have been checked by the VAR. Many goals have been cancelled over the season due to this, I think Leicester's winner at Old Trafford not long ago was chalked off for something quite similar.
Also, with Branthwaite's sending off, Toney knows what he is doing, runs in his path and drops like a stone. It is no different to Gordon's at Anfield, if anything, Gordon's is more clear cut. Liverpool down to 10 men and a penalty.
474 Posted 17/05/2022 at 11:54:32
Frank's formation isn't working. The workload is falling on the two midfielders because the wingers, Gordon and Gray are not good enough, especially when we are not in possession of the ball.
475 Posted 17/05/2022 at 12:00:05
"Hey, Dean," shouts Atwell above the noise, "Turn the music down. It's Oliver calling from Goodison."
The bishops/referees all fall about in uncontrollable laughter.
476 Posted 17/05/2022 at 12:12:58
Very sorry to say, but Calvert-Lewin will not 'run his bollocks off for Everton' as he never has at any point in the past, either before or after his injury troubles this season.
James Vaughan, yes, Richarlison, yes, Seamus Coleman, yes, even Alex Iwobi, but not Calvert-Lewin, he is not a team player sadly.
477 Posted 17/05/2022 at 12:24:04
Did you see that Ted, see what Dougal. Was it a foul Ted, no it was a sheep Dougal.
Let's go to father Jack for confirmation!!
478 Posted 17/05/2022 at 12:24:13
Yes, the Branthwaite sending off was correct but so many other incidents missed by incompetence. Wouldn't have happened at Anfield, right!
I also think this current version of the offside flag is ludicrous. Why the hell does the flag not go up immediately? Who's boneheaded idea was that to let players waste their time and energy when they were offside 30 yards back.
I still think there should be clear daylight between players before it is flagged. Too many 50/50 decisions.
The league needs to get it's act together.
479 Posted 17/05/2022 at 12:28:16
Anthony Taylor has been put on the game along with Mike Dean, if there is a God it really is time he showed himself, the bias has to finally stop on Thursday night.
480 Posted 17/05/2022 at 12:30:49
Our chap couldn't give a rat's arse. I really wouldn't play this fellow on Thursday. Put Richarlison up front and start El Ghazi or Gray on the wing.
481 Posted 17/05/2022 at 12:58:26
The funniest thing is the Red Shite think they're a hard done-by bunch. Winning two cups on penalties is just normal for them as is not conceding a penalty for 18 months and averaging a red card every 43 games. If any team, anywhere, in any sport in history is not hard done-by, it's them. But try arguing that point with them….it's like talking to a halfwit.
On to Thursday – absolutely 100% guaranteed the footballing Gods, who hate us for some reason, will push us to the last game of the season. It should have been done by Watford but the events from the weekend tell you everything you need to know. We're definitely an unlucky club and I don't buy that bollocks that you make your own luck. COYB
482 Posted 17/05/2022 at 13:13:29
483 Posted 17/05/2022 at 13:18:54
485 Posted 17/05/2022 at 13:21:49
I really hope and pray that you're right and we get that positive result on Thursday. What a relief.
486 Posted 17/05/2022 at 13:26:18
Lee #473 I thought exactly the same in that So'ton-game, Gomes should've had a freekick. The So'ton-player takes him out completely without getting anything on the ball. Free-kick all day, and all night long for me... If the ref doesn't see it, VAR should have intervened... You can add that one to the list, Graeme...
Another thing I've been thinking about is the Branthwaite red card. I don't know the laws on the game in that particular scenario to the letter, but I would be stunned if that is always deemed a red card. I mean it is purely accidental, there's no intent from Branthwaite, it's a coming-together...
And the most important aspect is that Toney isn't even in possession of the ball. The ball is high up in the air and bounces high again on the rebound. Toney doesn't have control over it. How can you judge that to be "denial of goalscoring opportunity"?
Like I said, I don't know the rules regarding that, that well, but I'm pretty sure, if that had been Saint Virgil, it would have been deemed a "coming-together".
It's quite astonishing the amount of bad calls that have come our way this season. I don't think it's a conspiracy, I don't want to think that. I definitely feel the refs are favouring the top teams, though...
But when that question, "Is it a conspiracy" starts popping into people's heads and there's a discussion that maybe it is, one can tell the officiating is really, utterly awful. No fire without smoke... Like Frank said, "incompetence at best..."
487 Posted 17/05/2022 at 13:27:42
Honestly mate I completely forgot about this however when I've watched it back I recall being incensed at that decision. I remember Gomes being barged into and I remember saying to my dad, “How is that not a foul?”
But again it's another one for the list. There's more of them out there as well. I seem to remember a pull by Konsa in the Villa game. But I've no doubt I'm missing more. My only concern is that Anthony Taylor may be the latest one on a Thursday evening. Let's see who he sends off or gives a dodgy decision to. Once we are down, they will all no doubt have a toast and be in their ref's WhatsApp group saying ‘We did it', they will have all contributed.
It's the lack of fairness for me. How can a foul and a red card one week not be a foul or red card a week later? How can the VAR ask for a review one week then not a week later?
There's been too many this season and I'm sick to death of people saying ‘I don't believe in conspiracy theories' – that's why I wrote all of that. Simply because as I've said earlier…. It can't be a conspiracy theory if it's a fact. The facts are all of those decisions have gone against us. Fact.
488 Posted 17/05/2022 at 13:32:15
489 Posted 17/05/2022 at 13:32:58
Very good and well researched post. I can't remember them all or check them but I trust your correctness.
490 Posted 17/05/2022 at 13:34:50
Appoint winners with a winning mentality and watch us turn into a lucky club.
Since Joe Royal left we have been a stop gap for mercenaries happy to cheat a living with the odd exceptions. Kenwright included.
491 Posted 17/05/2022 at 13:40:06
Losing Pickford, possibly the best goalie in the world and as good as any I have ever seen, also seems inevitable?
We're back to being very poor now and Moshiri can offer us nothing except finding a good buyer. Hopefully the new owners will offer a root-and-branch reform of the club
492 Posted 17/05/2022 at 13:45:49
494 Posted 17/05/2022 at 14:10:15
Every time we think we "should" win or half expect to, we shit the bed.
Multiple times we think we don't have a snowball's chance in hell, we come up big. Leicester, Chelsea, Newcastle down to 10 men, etc.
I don't see many people overly positive about Thursday, and many fearful or downright negative.
Perhaps this is a good thing?
^^ This is what I've been reduced to. Lord above.
495 Posted 17/05/2022 at 14:14:03
I plan on being hammered when the final whistle blows. Celebration or drowning misery, matters not.
I really don't too often rely on booze being a crutch. It's not a healthy lifestyle obviously. But Thursday? I think the only way through is self-medication.
496 Posted 17/05/2022 at 14:21:47
Great posts that really highlight the blatant wrong calls we have received this season.
Going back to Gordon's yellow in the derby, when Attwell blew up, he appeared to point to the spot before he produced the yellow card. Is it normal to blow up for simulation? Should the game not continue until there's a break in play before booking the guilty player, or was it another mistake that's been covered up? Most people feel it wasn't a spot kick or a yellow card.
I also thought Toney caused the contact with Branthwaite. It was claimed several times on Ref Watch that he was in control of the ball, I know he was favourite to reach it, but at no point did he touch or control it.
I too feel the Premier League would like to see the back of us due to FFP; if we go down, they don't have to make a decision and the problem goes away.
497 Posted 17/05/2022 at 14:26:51
Lampard's answer to this was just play deeper with no changes to a team that he expected to be put under more pressure after losing a central defender, so surely it would have been better as you were ahead to have brought on an extra defender in place of an attacker.
I may be in the minority in this but I thought the length of time he took to bring on substitutions was too long, he should have brought on his substitutions earlier to bring fresh legs on.
I don't want to pick on individual players but Anthony Gordon, who has been a breath of fresh air this season, was exhausted, and this can be seen with their 3rd goal.
Going on the display before the sending off, we had enough quality that should give us the 3 points on Thursday but, as other supporters have said, this club needs a clean-out, starting at the top.
498 Posted 17/05/2022 at 14:27:17
They weren't good enough for what I want.
Give me the Brian Labone, Alex Young, the Holy Trinity and the 60s teams my dad spoke romantically about when educating me. Give me Sheedy, Steven, Reid, Bracewell (that pass) and Sharp. Give me the Everton teams that won 9 league titles. Give me the Everton team that is going to win the 10th.
I appreciate that hard work is required. But alone, you will just be a Coventry or Wimbledon or Everton dogs of war that win's a Cup in a one off.
You cannot substitute quality or ability.
No dig at you Soren, I just have standards for my club and sadly they let them slip long ago to the point the lost generation now reflect on nearly teams as the bench mark.
We're all allowed a venting pass this week. It's going to be a long one, but lets stay together.
499 Posted 17/05/2022 at 14:53:15
500 Posted 17/05/2022 at 14:56:46
Decisions are clearly not impartial. The referees are biased towards the more wealthy clubs, no doubt about this. I do not believe that this is criminal but simply the way things have evolved.
Last summer's promotion of the European Super League by the richest clubs showed us all, including Fifa and Uefa, that these clubs believe that they should have everything their own way.
I think that match officials should join players and coaches in being interviewed post-match. I also believe that the VAR should be reviewed by a panel of suitably qualified people, a minimum of 3 but always an odd number, majority rules on decision.
I would also like to introduce Fifa officials to the Premier League match days, disrupt the cosiness that seems to exist currently.
On to Thursday night and I hope 1 point will do, a win would be great. If we can field a team fully free from niggles on Sunday, then I believe that we can squeeze another point out of the Arsenal. I just hope that we don't rely on that. Stay safe this summer everyone and roll on next season. COYB
501 Posted 17/05/2022 at 15:00:32
Yes, we have been playing like shit most of the season, and yes, Frank has been making bad calls in games both tactically and with substitutions, but the facts are still there. Those points were "stolen" from us. When we have been playing this bad, that last thing we need are incompetent referrees making things a lot, lot worse, rubbing salt in our wounds...
We actually have it in our own hands, despite playing like shit the whole season and despite those refs robbing us of points.
502 Posted 17/05/2022 at 15:12:21
I agree with Danny though and when I look at City or even Chelsea, I enviously think that should have been us. We were flying high in the '80s and the Premier League should have been our golden opportunity but that is another story that I don't wish to debate right now. All we need is 3 points against Palace.
503 Posted 17/05/2022 at 15:18:14
It'll make you happier when we win. It will comfort you if the powers to be decide we are to lose.
Get loaded and then confront reality. It makes much more sense that way than if you decide to do it the other way around.
504 Posted 17/05/2022 at 15:32:13
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. However, telling someone to take a break because they make a valid point is ridiculous.
Nobody can argue with facts. What I have written is factual. I dont care what people say. Its been happening all season long. Those decisions have 100% cost us points. If we go down, I will shed a tear for our terrible performances, management and ownership. Another tear will be shed for the shocking decisions that have also accounted for our relegation. Everton should sue the F.A.
Also, does anyone know;
Did Klopp get a ban for going onto the pitch and saying to the referee ‘the only referee I have a problem with is you, none of the others, just you!.
Carlo did something similar last year and got a straight red card, after we were again denied a goal against Man Utd as Sigurdsson tried to remove his legs from the play.
Has Steven Gerrard received any form of ban or warning for his post match comments about John Moss?
Or are these decisions reserved for Frank Lampard as he dared to step to the front and be the manager this season who said ‘that was wrong, that was a disgrace, demand an apology, and then say if that happened at the other end of the pitch. Charged for the suggestion that the ref was biased.
Guess what…. Frank was charged for being correct. The ref was biased.
505 Posted 17/05/2022 at 15:45:38
Considering our present position, did you mean to use Coventry and Wimbledon as examples or is it just a coincidence?
506 Posted 17/05/2022 at 15:52:11
Going forward the aim must be to emulate those title winning teams, anything less is simply not acceptable.
507 Posted 17/05/2022 at 16:02:22
508 Posted 17/05/2022 at 16:02:59
I agree that over the season we have had some bad calls go against us and Sunday was no different, but I see you also agree that Lampard has made bad calls in games both tactically and substitutions, and that is what I was talking about on Sunday.
Don't forget we were winning after being given another penalty.
My point is what happened after half-time, we had 1 man in Black who made a bad mistake, but we had a manager, plus his coaches who I think made a mistake. (It's just my opinion.)
509 Posted 17/05/2022 at 16:05:59
Isn't this the same organization that we got the apology from after the Man City fiasco, non-penalty?
510 Posted 17/05/2022 at 16:12:21
511 Posted 17/05/2022 at 16:17:30
when I have seen an incident
and been told to say I haven't
seen it. To be fair to the FA...
it's not them. It comes from
within the PGMOL [Professional
Game Match Officials Limited].
It doesn't stop there. We've been
told to give a certain amount
of corners, or throw ins, fouls,
bookings etc. The Premier
League is rife with spot fixing
and bias towards certain clubs
from the FA. Every referee in the
Premier League could be infront
of a court one day soon."
(Premier League referee 1999-2013)
512 Posted 17/05/2022 at 16:19:49
513 Posted 17/05/2022 at 16:31:02
would you check that link? Interested to read it, but getting a 404.
514 Posted 17/05/2022 at 16:38:47
Sterling work, Mr. Beresford. Thanks for taking the time for us.
Brian @ 451:
Don't know what you're talking about. Didn't live anywhere near there back then... and anyway, never heard of it. Daresbury? Warrington?? Eh? Where dat? Plus, I never carried matches or a lighter. Couldn't have been me.
515 Posted 17/05/2022 at 16:40:21
516 Posted 17/05/2022 at 16:48:47
Graeme's posts above are absolutely correct, I've always believed that so much is at stake that refereeing must be rife with corruption. I believe that there could be an agenda to see Everton relegated – ridiculous as it sounds to me.
517 Posted 17/05/2022 at 16:54:03
518 Posted 17/05/2022 at 16:59:20
519 Posted 17/05/2022 at 17:02:14
Good luck, everyone.
520 Posted 17/05/2022 at 17:04:44
I heard that from my nephew some time ago, but because I couldn't recall the referee's name, I held back on submitting a post. It was loosely relayed to me as, "Look after the 'Big Clubs' because that's where the money is."
I suppose that comes under the phrase of 'hearsay'.
521 Posted 17/05/2022 at 17:05:56
The club should send all of your points to PGMOL.
522 Posted 17/05/2022 at 17:14:37
He's a blue as well.
523 Posted 17/05/2022 at 17:27:57
I do not believe in coincidence, Anthony Taylor was an absolute fucking disgrace up at Newcastle and probably cost us three much-needed points that night. I sadly believe he has put on the game to rob us once again, we will see…
I hope I am wrong and hope that even his influence will not be able to turn the result against us.
524 Posted 17/05/2022 at 17:30:00
It is a head wrecker having to do this kind of thing. It takes hard work and time but it needs to be done.
It is what the club should have done a long time ago. And should have been acted on.
All clubs have moments in games to complain about but some a lot more than others.
If you are skeptical ask a red about what they want to complain about and compare notes!
525 Posted 17/05/2022 at 17:37:31
I only heard about it today from my son who messaged me with it. I was shocked not by the revelation but the fact a top referee would come out and admit it.
526 Posted 17/05/2022 at 17:46:26
This season has been nothing short of a disgrace from the officials. We have had far too many things go against us for anyone to just say ‘ah well you were just unlucky. No, being unlucky is it happening once or twice throughout the season. More than that is even more unlucky, to have as many as we have had is simple… its cheating.
If we paid off Anthony Taylor as a club so we get all of the decisions on Thursday. He sends a Crystal Palace player off after ten mins and gives us a penalty, if Everton where found out there would be outrage. A scandal they would call it! How dare they! They are cheaters! Disgusting cheaters! … and they would have a point.
However, these officials have done this to us all season. What has been done about it? Absolutely nothing! We have had a half arsed apology for the most ‘clear and obvious handball you will ever see. Then, our boss, has to explain a few weeks later why hes labelled a ref as biased because of his performance in the derby match. To me, nothing has changed. The decisions are still going against us in most games. Even Mason Holgates yellow card against Watford. Thats a centre back who then has to be careful for 70 minutes simply because Mike Dean booked him for nothing. Its happening in every single game.
527 Posted 17/05/2022 at 17:59:01
528 Posted 17/05/2022 at 17:59:05
529 Posted 17/05/2022 at 18:14:12
It is the smaller decisions that also make a big difference and an early booking for nothing affects the rest of the game for a player and the team.
How many times have we seen an Everton player booked for nothing and an opponent get away with a really bad early challenge?
530 Posted 17/05/2022 at 18:16:17
Frank is a young manager and is learning his trade. He's already shown he can adapt his managerial style, by going 'defensive' for the last 5-6 games. He realised his favoured style of play didn't work for this team in a relegation battle and changed it to be more defensively stable. I think that, along with him being an honest and straight-talking lad, makes him a good bet for us in the near future. If it's long term, we'll maybe see next or the coming season.
Referees also make mistakes, and had it been a few along this season I wouldn't have complained... This is though bordering on ridiculous, when game after game we get pivotal, game-changing decisions against us. Is it any wonder there is talk of "conspiracies"? No, it isn't. This kind of blatant, continuously bad refereeing only fuels such theories.
Yes, Frank hasn't been perfect in his managing but, if we had had say 10 points more, which might be the amount of points we have lost due to poor refereeing, none on here would be complaining about Frank; instead, we would be cheering him for getting us out of the mud. Now, we are still there, and it's all because of the incompetent men in black.
531 Posted 17/05/2022 at 18:21:44
Rosary Beads, inhaler, my Grandad's WW2 bible. I'm scared of what socks to wear because if I choose the wrong ones, I'll never forgive myself.
I might even bring the dogs. I think they could influence the officials.
532 Posted 17/05/2022 at 18:49:40
533 Posted 17/05/2022 at 18:56:41
I don't believe that t'was always thus, but it may be that my 'always thus' goes back further than yours. If I had felt that way, I would have walked away from football.
But, rapidly approaching my 84th birthday, I am hanging on in the hope of swapping my seat in the Park End for a seat in the Bramley-Moore Dock Stadium.
I believe that match officials in my 'always thus' were honest and, like everyone else, were subject to honest mistakes. I also believe that our game was stolen from us with the formation of the Premier League and the involvement of Sky Television.
I take no pride from the fact that Everton were one of the Big Five who were behind the formation of the breakaway group, the only member of the Original Twelve who formed the Football League in 1888 to do so.
I'm afraid that in any circumstances, 'Where there's money, there's corruption'.
534 Posted 17/05/2022 at 18:57:55
I think the club who have been affected the most by a bad refereeing decision was Bournemouth a couple of seasons ago, when Hawkeye never went off. The VAR still didn't even intervene which was scandalous considering the impact this ended up having on the relegation places.
535 Posted 17/05/2022 at 19:04:58
Take it to court, you can't be convicted for having an opinion.
536 Posted 17/05/2022 at 19:06:21
537 Posted 17/05/2022 at 19:08:56
538 Posted 17/05/2022 at 19:17:48
This is a summary of VAR decisions only. These are also facts. But it proves nothing with regards to bias, despite being facts.
539 Posted 17/05/2022 at 19:39:48
After all, if there were no debatable issues to discuss would we all get bored?
540 Posted 17/05/2022 at 19:53:41
One thing that does occur to me on penalties is that the probability of a penalty being conceded, or awarded in a team's favour, is probably influenced in part (in part!) by how good a team is. So, a penalty might be less likely to be awarded to the weaker side in a game: partly because they're less likely to be in the opposition's penalty area, and partly because, once in their area, they are less likley to be first to the ball. The converse is more likley for the stronger side.
541 Posted 17/05/2022 at 20:13:40
I am also having problems deciding what to wear on Thursday. A hat my mother-in-law bought me for the 1984 FA Cup Final and has been in a draw for 30 years due to sentimental value may well make an appearance.
542 Posted 17/05/2022 at 20:15:19
Cannot remember possibly Brighton away, Michael Keane jumped to clear a header, he came down and accidentally landed on the opposition's foot, penalty awarded to whichever team it was and they scored from it.
No difference to the Liverpool player standing on Gordon's foot.
If I missed it in your write up, apologies beforehand Graeme, great in-depth work by you. I would certainly email it to the email address Rob put up, and send a copy to Everton Football Club.
543 Posted 17/05/2022 at 20:34:27
544 Posted 17/05/2022 at 20:43:58
that is certainly a considerable element in the whole arena of popular sport. Bread & circuses.
545 Posted 17/05/2022 at 20:50:19
I used to think that these things balance themselves out over a season but that no longer seems the case. And particularly more so since the introduction of the VAR.
546 Posted 17/05/2022 at 20:53:23
547 Posted 17/05/2022 at 21:13:11
548 Posted 17/05/2022 at 21:53:45
“Whats Our Name.”
549 Posted 17/05/2022 at 21:54:25
550 Posted 17/05/2022 at 22:01:45
551 Posted 17/05/2022 at 22:08:27
Spirit of the Blues, wherever we are. In person. In spirit. In soul.
I'm getting emotional beyond even my own standards.
552 Posted 17/05/2022 at 22:09:06
Reset, go again. Under the lights this time, we need to frighten the life out of Palace and lift the blues once again.
We can do this.
553 Posted 17/05/2022 at 22:47:25
554 Posted 17/05/2022 at 22:48:07
555 Posted 17/05/2022 at 23:05:02
This is massive, the biggest game this century and perhaps in the last 28 years.
The stakes are high, the price to succeed and for Everton to win is immeasurable.
“What's Our Name?”
556 Posted 17/05/2022 at 23:39:56
557 Posted 17/05/2022 at 23:51:42
Except, it would mean we would still have to play Watford next season! Oh please Everton, don't let that happen!
558 Posted 17/05/2022 at 23:56:47
We are in the best position of the three teams fighting it out, we could even lose both games and still stay up at worst, the other two however do not have that luxury.
One final push Thursday to get us over the line, win that and I could not give a flying quack about the last game, just as long as we get it sorted this Thursday.
559 Posted 18/05/2022 at 00:31:12
560 Posted 18/05/2022 at 02:24:16
There's a massive difference... you're not born religious!
561 Posted 18/05/2022 at 07:53:46
562 Posted 18/05/2022 at 08:00:39
If Jake Daniels was a team mate, how would he feel? When Gueye wore the jersey with alcohol and gambling advertised which is against his religion, he still wore it, so it's nothing to do with religion.
563 Posted 18/05/2022 at 08:29:37
This game is massive. All we all want is a win. I just hope every player can keep a level head and not give the ref or VAR any reason to brandish any coloured card early in the game. We need 11 men on that pitch. Do we start Dele? Match their formation and go 4 at the back with 2 forwards and have Dele in their Gallagher role? Its a tough one.
The one thing I dont want us to do is go defensive and concede first. We have to get the first goal and go all out for the second. Its such a tough ask.
This is it tomorrow for Everton. Even if you are not going the game I would encourage you to get to Goodison. Wear blue, buy flares, buy a scarf, everyone single person in the gwladys street end should be in an Everton top, it should be the ‘blue wall we have all spoken about for the new stadium. If you dont have a blue shirt get to the stalls by the Dixie Dean statue and whilst youre there give his foot a rub for good luck.
I agree with the Instagram posts. Get there, see the bus in and get into the ground. Stand up for 90 minutes and sing like youre in the final of X-Factor. God knows, I cant wait for a good night sleep. Hopefully, safe, knowing the Arsenal game means nothing and we can all have a few beers and laugh about the season we have had, and the decisions against us. COYB!
564 Posted 18/05/2022 at 09:59:35
Therefore I congratulate West Ham United on winning this season's Premier League. The other 6 wanted to leave. We should've let them. They could've taken their corrupt officials and we could've taken 6 teams from the Championship and so forth. Even integrated Scottish football into the Football League.
They would've all begged to come back when they realised football should not be for the elite and normal fans don't have the capital to be flying around Europe for games all season.
565 Posted 18/05/2022 at 10:40:39
566 Posted 18/05/2022 at 10:50:36
At least the game is on at a decent time on Friday morning, I hate the 4:30 pm kick-offs... that's 3:30 am here!
567 Posted 18/05/2022 at 11:11:10
Beni Baningame, prior to his injury, has produced consistent Man of the Match performances for Hearts and has been quoted as the driving force behind their excellent season.
Two midfielders, cast aside by Everton, who could quite possibly have been the answer to our midfield woes.
Good luck to them both.
568 Posted 18/05/2022 at 11:39:31
I've always been called a calm person. Accused of being unemotional. That my heart beats once a minute. Twice when Everton score.
I don't even want to check it right now.
569 Posted 18/05/2022 at 11:49:17
You look at a worst-case scenario, where we have to beat both Palace and Arsenal, and hope other teams slip up, we are in a much better position than that.
I do not even see Leeds getting anything at Brentford, but I certainly feel confident, that we can get the job done on Thursday, you have to believe until it is no longer possible.
We have a home game, we have every possible advantage we could wish for, the fans backing, a full house Goodison, we just have to raise the bar even bigger Thursday, get the Old Lady rocking even more than the last few home games, strike the fear of god up the Palace players.
Now go and dig your smoking jacket out, light a long filtered cigarette, pour yourself a cognac, and in a David Niven voice, look down at those mere peasants of Palace and tell them in no uncertain terms, how Everton and the fans, are going to give you a damn good thrashing.
570 Posted 18/05/2022 at 11:58:48
571 Posted 18/05/2022 at 12:12:53
572 Posted 18/05/2022 at 12:13:34
573 Posted 18/05/2022 at 12:38:11
574 Posted 18/05/2022 at 12:49:37
The next scene, when the camera pans across his foxhole, you see smoke coming out of his foxhole, then a close up of him smoking.
575 Posted 18/05/2022 at 13:01:27
Surely to God it will come to an end tomorrow with a victory despite the team being a mess due to injuries etc.
We cannot allow Sunday to come into play.
Strange results come towards the end of the season and we don't want another awful weekend like the last one with RS winning, City drawing and Everton's mess-up at Goodison.
I just want to relax on Sunday and not have to worry about Everton's result.
576 Posted 18/05/2022 at 13:47:45
577 Posted 18/05/2022 at 14:19:05
The worst season in my watching Everton was 1950/51 when a 0-0 draw away to Sheffield Wednesday would have secured safety, but a 6-0 defeat condemned us to the Second Division, and the ironic side to that game was that Sheffield Wednesday were relegated with us.
578 Posted 18/05/2022 at 14:42:09
I digress from the important issue. Win tomorrow. I have a night in my home city and I travel back a relieved person and Evertonian very early on Friday morning.
Happy? No. But that can wait.
See you tomorrow. See you Sunday.
579 Posted 18/05/2022 at 15:44:40
We need to keep 11 players on the pitch and should hold no fear of the opposition whoever they might be
Come on my beloved blues.
580 Posted 18/05/2022 at 15:54:54
581 Posted 18/05/2022 at 16:42:11
582 Posted 18/05/2022 at 17:04:23
Not sure I am comfortable with the amount of times Frank said we need 2 points out of our remaining 2 games. I know this is factually correct but not sure this is the message I would want to be sending out to our players. We should be aiming for a win tomorrow night. Settling for a point will be a huge gamble.
583 Posted 18/05/2022 at 17:10:04
We have players bought by Koeman and Walsh, then Silva, Brands, Allardyce, Ancellotti, and Benitez, not to mention whoever was in charge of our last disastrous transfer window, when a lot of Evertonians could see our team was already in trouble.
Too many cooks spoil the broth - but hopefully we can win tomorrow and start moving towards a bit of stability, which is not going to be easy, when you look at things like the wages a lot of players earn, and Lampards substitutions, which have surely got to be down to a lack of trust in most of these players? Players it wont be easy to shift.
584 Posted 18/05/2022 at 21:19:12
585 Posted 18/05/2022 at 21:49:34
Tomorrow night these players can erase some of the pain of watching these wretched mistakes and inept performances and let us go home in a happy delirious state of mind, don't leave it to Sunday or depending on other teams losses although that will do as a last resort.
A calm determined effort from every player used can ensure this.
586 Posted 18/05/2022 at 21:58:56
So, I can only assume that tomorrow must be the night for a great display from our heroes in blue,
Mind you, as depressing and frustrating as it can be, both Burnley and Leeds would willingly swap places,
587 Posted 18/05/2022 at 22:03:35
588 Posted 18/05/2022 at 22:17:40
Win tomorrow and it will hopefully be Kenwright's last ever home game as chairman of Everton, and it will also definitely be one of the “greatest feelings” that many of us will have had during his very long and painful reign.
But if we lose tomorrow, it will possibly be the last top-flight game Everton ever play at Goodison, so come on you fuckin Blue Boys.
John Lundstram has just gone down with cramp, and although I've only had one eye on this game, he definitely looks like the glue holding his team together.
589 Posted 18/05/2022 at 22:19:50
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591 Posted 18/05/2022 at 22:49:21
I always feel irony/contrition at our escape in the 97-98 season you mentioned when we survived on goal difference and Bolton were relegated. We took a point at Bolton that year despite a Terry Phelen clearance from (according to Lyndon's report) a yard behind our line.
Even with the suspect nature of VAR decisions, I think, had it happened today, it'd have been us and not Bolton who went. I think they subsequently went into financial meltdown.
592 Posted 18/05/2022 at 22:57:29
Everton claim that Neville Southall was fouled in the build-up to that incident, if true, then justice was served.
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