Andre Ayew to join Forest instead of Everton
Ghana international forward Andre Ayew appears to have snubbed the chance to join Everton and will sign for Nottingham Forest under his former Swansea boss, Steve Cooper, after reportedly holding talks with both clubs.
The 33-year-old is a free agent after terminating his contract with Al Sadd in Qatar where he has spent the past two seasons and was linked with a free transfer to Goodison Park in the waning hours of the transfer window yesterday.
The club denied that anything was imminent late on Tuesday night but Everton's failure to bring in any players last month left new manager Sean Dyche with a weaker squad than the one left by Frank Lampard and supporters incandescent at what they see as catastrophic failure by the recruitment department and hierarchy.
That has lead Everton to scour the free-agency market where the likes of Ayew, Isco, Artem Dzyuba and German forward Max Kruse (the latter two are both 34, although the Russian striker's public Instagram spat with Vitalii Mykolenko over the war in Ukraine last year should give pause to any thoughts of signing him) offer potential options.
Ayew is said to have spoken with both Everton and Forest but it's not clear whether the two clubs were offering similar terms.
Ayew spent six years in the Premier League with West Ham and Swansea, working with Cooper, making 176 league appearances for the two clubs combined, scoring 52 goals.
He remains a regular for Ghana, featuring in the 2022 World Cup where he scored against Portugal but missed a crucial penalty in the group decider against Uruguay.
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2 Posted 01/02/2023 at 16:27:29
3 Posted 01/02/2023 at 16:35:36
4 Posted 01/02/2023 at 16:36:36
I'd rather take a chance on a non league player.
I heard they tried to sign the 55 year old Japanese player, but he chose a Portuguese 2nd division side instead
5 Posted 01/02/2023 at 16:36:42
6 Posted 01/02/2023 at 16:37:06
7 Posted 01/02/2023 at 16:38:29
Did he even have a peak
8 Posted 01/02/2023 at 16:40:51
Some wag said Ayew looks like he's eaten Rondon.
9 Posted 01/02/2023 at 16:42:07
10 Posted 01/02/2023 at 16:43:50
Desperate times indeed.
Are the reserve strikers that bad ?
11 Posted 01/02/2023 at 16:46:18
I've just answering my own question - NO. That's why we most probrably being relegated and Administration a possibility.
12 Posted 01/02/2023 at 16:48:45
13 Posted 01/02/2023 at 16:55:29
14 Posted 01/02/2023 at 16:56:02
15 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:02:14
untried in what football?
He must be half decent to of been an England U21 and to have scored goals in more than one League One club
16 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:08:53
17 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:09:06
18 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:15:33
Give him a big swerve. Are we really that desperate? May aswell have kept Rondon.
19 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:17:40
20 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:17:42
21 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:24:12
22 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:24:50
23 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:24:55
24 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:39:16
25 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:43:45
26 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:46:12
27 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:51:33
Ffs if he's scores one and we survive it is worth it
28 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:57:02
29 Posted 01/02/2023 at 17:58:00
30 Posted 01/02/2023 at 18:08:54
31 Posted 01/02/2023 at 18:11:24
32 Posted 01/02/2023 at 18:12:19
33 Posted 01/02/2023 at 18:23:28
34 Posted 01/02/2023 at 18:30:44
and then NO!!!!
35 Posted 01/02/2023 at 18:35:12
an injury to any of our current forwards and we're in an even worse situation.
he wasn't ever that good, he looked particularly poor at the World Cup, and yet.
I just can't be arsed
36 Posted 01/02/2023 at 18:36:36
37 Posted 01/02/2023 at 18:47:40
Get him here, see if he's any use in practice and put him on the bench if he is, no skin off our nose. Sounds like he can still score a goal or two.
38 Posted 01/02/2023 at 18:54:16
39 Posted 01/02/2023 at 18:58:24
40 Posted 01/02/2023 at 18:59:13
We have been completely ruined by your combined efforts.
41 Posted 01/02/2023 at 19:00:06
That is the state this club is in. As Ray says, if he's any good, welcome to the squad, if he isn't then get him a comfy chair. We aren't exactly belle of the ball. They may have their eyes on someone else anyway, but beggars can't be choosers.
42 Posted 01/02/2023 at 19:04:48
43 Posted 01/02/2023 at 19:08:26
44 Posted 01/02/2023 at 19:14:41
To your point Niasse is actually a year younger than Ayew and a free agent. As is, Lacina Traore the fellow with a 100 percent scoring record for Everton. He is also aged 32.
45 Posted 01/02/2023 at 19:26:51
47 Posted 01/02/2023 at 20:21:44
48 Posted 01/02/2023 at 20:24:30
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/real-madrid-dyche-free-agents-26135024
49 Posted 01/02/2023 at 20:28:06
50 Posted 01/02/2023 at 20:53:59
His transfer to Union Berlin fell through last night, but I'm not sure of the reasons.
But a good attacking midfielder would be a help, in Evertons situation.
51 Posted 01/02/2023 at 21:11:31
52 Posted 01/02/2023 at 21:18:25
53 Posted 01/02/2023 at 21:28:50
54 Posted 01/02/2023 at 21:33:21
55 Posted 01/02/2023 at 21:36:51
Probably be another Dele Alli type.
he'd command a big wage. and he won't be fit. And how would he fit into a 'Dyche' type team?
we need runners, hard workers, and have to hope that it's enough.
But big wage slackers ain't gonna save us.
Hope rests on Dyche getting the most out of what we have.
If they're available on a free, there's usually a reason
56 Posted 01/02/2023 at 21:54:59
Yeah Sevilla cancelled his contract as he "didn't meet expectations," and Union Berlin said their deal fell through as they'd agreed terms but at the last minute he suddenly made new demands for much higher wages. On both accounts I'd steer clear.
57 Posted 01/02/2023 at 21:59:47
58 Posted 01/02/2023 at 22:15:43
59 Posted 01/02/2023 at 22:17:18
There's a definite link there!
60 Posted 01/02/2023 at 22:26:52
61 Posted 01/02/2023 at 22:35:15
62 Posted 01/02/2023 at 23:05:23
Why bother spending stupid wages on a second rate journeyman? All he will end up doing is peeing off the existing squad because he's on much better wages. Well done Mr Kenwright and Mr Moshiri. Another successful transfer window closes.
63 Posted 01/02/2023 at 23:08:20
64 Posted 01/02/2023 at 23:32:30
65 Posted 01/02/2023 at 23:38:12
66 Posted 01/02/2023 at 23:39:05
67 Posted 01/02/2023 at 23:42:22
to disgrace the fans, in order to hide his inability to run E.F.C. He's a lying cretin. Just hope the media can show him as he really
is. Hoping he doesn't find himself in a headlock situation. That's how serious this is folks. Please don't let it get out of hand.
68 Posted 01/02/2023 at 23:53:52
69 Posted 01/02/2023 at 23:59:11
70 Posted 01/02/2023 at 00:02:08
71 Posted 01/02/2023 at 00:04:08
We are in a crap position I 100% agree, but the increasingly toxic fanbase has done literally zero to address it or support the team. You are 100% part of the problem now. Telling everyone they are shit and whistling every misplaced pass is really not support, frankly the club would be better off without this ‘support'.
So if you've had enough and just want to slag everything off, maybe just do yourself and everyone else a favour and piss off to support the shite, or chelsea, or united.
Right now the team needs real guts in the dugout, on the terraces and across forums like these. If you can't offer that, then maybe it's time to move on?
72 Posted 01/02/2023 at 00:07:52
Ayew would likely improve us. That in itself should be a stark reminder of the level to which the club is failing in it's transfer policy.
Out of everyone, and not limiting ourselves to just discussing deadline day or even just the recent transfer window, was there really no-one we could have got? Was there no planning for, say,a young forward? We represent an amazing opportunity for a young striker - where else could they get regular Premier League football?
We don't want anyone. We want someone who improves the squad. Ideally they'd fit some kind of style of play. More importantly we want the kind of planning and foresight that goes into signing those players.
A lot of people at this football club have been paid a lot of money recently. And when we needed signings they drew a complete blank. When we needed a manager they came up with the two man shortlist the media had lazily put together.
I've zero confidence in the competence at this club. I also don't trust them. I don't think either of those complaints fall into the 'clamoring for shit activity' basket.
73 Posted 02/02/2023 at 00:10:07
74 Posted 02/02/2023 at 00:14:51
Another time on another day, the pessimists will be the optimists and vice versa. Just thought the last line was a little much, not your usual style.
75 Posted 02/02/2023 at 00:22:55
76 Posted 02/02/2023 at 00:25:46
I'm a London-based fan these days (about a spit from Brentford and not too far from Fulham), so I am in no way short of options to support, my son is a Chelsea fan!!! But you can't just change allegiance like that, so I'm stuck with the Blues and I'll stick behind them as an away fan and hope Dyche can make the difference.
I may well have to leave this forum though, because the relentless (and pointless) negativity and toxicity here has escalated beyond reasonable levels.
I'm soooooo bored of the tedious rants against BK and Moshiri from people that probably don't even go to the matches. Yes we're badly managed, but that goes for 90% of football clubs and to be honest none of the people ranting here have put even a fraction of the investment that these guys have done into the club. Does that mean they can't bitch and moan? Nope. Does it mean I need to pay literally feck all respect to their ranty opinions? Maybe.
For me it's all about getting behind Dyche and give him at least 5-6 games to try and get a decent tune out of a half-decent squad. If we're bottom with 5-6 games to go, then fair enough I guess, but right now we need some half-full glasses and not the relentless pity party that seems to be derigeur for ToffeeWeb these days,
77 Posted 02/02/2023 at 00:26:54
I'm not expecting anyone else to come in so I am desperately hoping the likes of Patterson, Garner, Godfrey and DCL are near to shrugging off their injury problems, and Sean Dyche has the wherewithal to get the very best out of the defensive unit as a whole and the key to improving McNeill and the rest.
78 Posted 02/02/2023 at 00:35:57
After the surprising but incredible win, ToffeeWeb will be a right party. See you there!
79 Posted 02/02/2023 at 00:41:42
I have no idea of the plan/arrangement in place with the DoF but equally I hope Dyche is left alone to football matters for what's left of the season. No place for tinkering with so much at stake.
80 Posted 02/02/2023 at 00:42:21
81 Posted 02/02/2023 at 00:48:17
One thing is for sure, in the numbers game as a striker/forward we need backup to our current threadbare attack.
I'm not saying he is the answer, but (god forbid) DCL is injured (again), who do we turn too?
Bring him in if we can, as it's a numbers game for us, and the numbers are reduced, albeit by the departure of Gordon, but a departure none the less.
I'm sceptical in that he is reported to be flying to London.
Why?
1) is he going to be interviewed by Kenwright et al?
2) His brother lives in London and plays for Palace?
So unless Palace don't want him, we may end up with him.
Squad player who can't be any worse than numerous players who have lately flattered to deceive.
82 Posted 02/02/2023 at 00:55:40
He is an older and slower version of Neal Maupay, albeit more skillful and clinical. Ghana has a number of pacey wingers and creative playmakers feeding him, but do we?
If Dyche can bring Ayew off the bench and turn him into the Samuel Etoo during that half season as an impact sub, then Ayew would be a good addition.
83 Posted 02/02/2023 at 01:35:18
Are you-you-you-you joking Kenwright?
Of course you are - at OUR expense, as ever.
JUST FUCK OFF!
84 Posted 02/02/2023 at 02:02:10
I'm not going to lazily drop a name into the conversation based on whoever has turned up on the back pages a couple of times - that's the club's current scouting process and it doesn't work.
If I had a paid position, a significant group of employees, a budget, relationships with a network of scouts and agents, and the time to visit and watch football from other leagues and countries... I'd like to think I'd find a player who might work for us.
And consider that it's not my area of expertise. It's Thelwell's. He's been employed to do exactly that.
How are we ever going to sign a player if the approach was "who was available"? They're supposed to go and find them.
And I'm not sure what is up with unproven championship players. Are they necessarily worse than proven relegation fodder?
85 Posted 02/02/2023 at 03:40:32
86 Posted 02/02/2023 at 04:12:04
Where did the DOF dig this one from ?
87 Posted 02/02/2023 at 05:00:04
88 Posted 02/02/2023 at 05:10:14
89 Posted 02/02/2023 at 05:25:23
He borrowed the money to buy his shares and made a large profit when he sold them but has never spent any of that on the Club.
Matchgoing fans have put more money into the coffers than Kenwright, he doesn't even pay for his ticket and I bet also his half time pie and a pint.
And yes, I'm not a matchgoing supporter as I live 10,000 miles away and have done for night on 40 years. But when the team are over here I go to watch them, and when I am back in Liverpool I go to Goodison.
But just because there's plenty of supporters like me, it doesn't mean that we can't see the problems within our Club so if you choose to ignore those problems don't blame the supporters for highlighting them.
90 Posted 02/02/2023 at 05:32:47
91 Posted 02/02/2023 at 05:56:40
Ernie@34 - You're right IMO. With proper planning and forward thinking there would have been a good number of strikers from which we could select. But . whether or not our guys have the nowse to take any of them over the line is another thing.
Personally, I reckon we are a basket case just now and can only hope that Sean Dyche can bring in some magical changes with the current squad to save us from relegation. It is not impossible and so let's keep our fingers crossed.
92 Posted 02/02/2023 at 07:11:42
93 Posted 02/02/2023 at 07:30:00
We got told there was money before Gordon went, so why wasn't the problem addressed prior to Jan 1st.
There is no transparency or honesty at board level. The whole thing stinks.
Only thing to do is support the lads every match day, Sean Dyche is our only hope, so let bygones be bygones for the next 18 games, and then after the last game we set up stocks in the centre circle, and lock Moshiri, Kenwright and DBB in and then throw rotten tomatoes at them. Charge £10 a throw, take the profits and then buy this clown out, and have the club owned by the fans.
Ran by the true Evertonians.
COYB we can do this!!! Let's be that 12th man that Goodison is so famous for!!!
94 Posted 02/02/2023 at 07:57:33
Some positives... In the last year brought in Mykolenko, Patterson, Garner, Onana, promoted Simms very recently, and Price looks close; so looks like young hungry players are the theme of the transfer and player policy. This is promising and has changed.
Older ones seem like very low cost like Tarkowski and Ayew.
Next step is to do a Brighton and bring in more earlier stagers like Branthwaite.
95 Posted 02/02/2023 at 07:58:22
"I may well have to leave this forum though" Chris #76.
Well all I can say to that is "don't let the door smack you on the arse on your way out" 'cos I don't need to be reading posts that blame the supporters for the shit we are in. We get enough of that from our three stooges.
96 Posted 02/02/2023 at 08:03:23
Yes from me but a reluctant and somewhat bewildered yes
97 Posted 02/02/2023 at 08:09:40
I am sure Thelwell would have been delighted to seal some deals on 1 January but our financial terms for agents, selling clubs and players are such that everyone waits for a better offer.
Does that mean there is literally no-one in world football we could have targeted and got for a low fee. In a practical sense, possibly. The January window will be such a busy time for agents that our business is low priority. Equally, it will be extremely hard to find a very cheap player capable of improving the squad now.
Obviously we should have been succession planning for years by developing a stable of low cost high quality youth but we are now where we are.
98 Posted 02/02/2023 at 08:18:32
99 Posted 02/02/2023 at 08:32:49
High profile players such as Adama Traoré, Onana's Lille team mate, Johnathon Bamba & Lyon's Dembélé are out of contract in the summer.
Two rapid wide men and a forward. All 3 achievable during January if the club had the motivation to pay off their remaining contracts which aren't excessive and would probably have amounted to the same value as the loan down payment for Danjuma rumoured to have been €5m.
At worst offer them pre contract agreements for the summer.
For me they don't appear to do any research until the window actually opens which is why they're always 2 steps behind.
Midfielders too especially as Davies and Doucouré will walk for free in the summer unless they invoke Doucouré's 1 year extension but even then ultimately that's another £22m down the plughole as no one will buy him with 6 months or a year left.
100 Posted 02/02/2023 at 08:34:06
I reckon the jury is out on Patterson at the moment, I need to see he's not just another injury prone crock, been here a year and we've hardly seen him.
Mykolenko is one of the most limited left backs I've seen in 30 years at Everton, semi competent defender but that's about it.
Gray and Townsend were Benitez' best purchases, at least they had some sort of impact for limited budgets.
101 Posted 02/02/2023 at 08:35:57
Gordon got a lot of stick but I wonder what he really was earning (and whether he asked for more) and I wonder what Lampard, Cole, Clement, and Edwards and Jones all took off the club in wages and severance pay?
102 Posted 02/02/2023 at 08:37:52
103 Posted 02/02/2023 at 08:42:09
Stick them up top with Calvert Lewin, Maupay when Calvert snaps and we'll be alright.
Simms is our January gamble and if Dyche gets the team organised, we might just get out of this shit.
104 Posted 02/02/2023 at 09:09:40
As I said in the post at 97, our finances (a legacy of astonishing past incompetence) are what is really killing us.
105 Posted 02/02/2023 at 09:12:07
106 Posted 02/02/2023 at 09:16:45
I don't want to give the coaching staff much credit because they've proven to be a massive part of the problem, but at 22 years old if he was any good he would be getting plenty of time in this team.
The fact that he has scored goals for Blackpool, Hearts and Sunderland fills me with bugger-all confidence. It just tells me those clubs probably have better wingers than we do, which isn't hard to believe.
107 Posted 02/02/2023 at 09:18:35
I remember a lot of scepticism about a young Seamus Coleman, who some though couldn't defend. In fact didn't we play him as the forward wide player to start with because we didn't fancy him as right back?
I guess I'm saying, give these lads a chance.
I still think Mykolenko is better suited to being on the left of a back 3.
108 Posted 02/02/2023 at 09:22:40
Not sure whether we've dogged a bullet or not.
Still, just waiting for Isco to slap us in the face for a full set.
I think Dyche will get a tune out of what he's got. Not sure of the % of games we lose in the final 15 minutes or added time, but it seems we switch off and give it away during that period!!!
Hopefully Dyche has seen this and will be working on this.
Although I'm repeating myself, we will survive this nightmare 🤞🤞🤞
109 Posted 02/02/2023 at 09:30:41
Looking at Isco now!
Only seen clips of Ellis Simms,but he doesn't look upto the necessary level to me.
Makes Victor Anachobie look like Di Stafano to me!
110 Posted 02/02/2023 at 09:35:38
111 Posted 02/02/2023 at 09:42:17
One-Two's, remember them? Lampard never really got any type of system going, so it will be interesting to see how Everton's players now do, once Dyche simplifies their game.
112 Posted 02/02/2023 at 09:43:49
To stand a chance of landing Isco Frank would still have to be manager. He won't have heard of Sean, and tales of Ball, Z Cars and Dixie won't sway it! Thanks Kenwright you complete tosser!
113 Posted 02/02/2023 at 09:50:27
114 Posted 02/02/2023 at 09:54:36
I don't care about the football world laughing at us, I'm thick skinned when it comes to football, and know what it's like, because I woke up to this many, many years ago, but to tell people to grow the fuck up for voicing 100% genuine concerns, just doesn't make sense to me Chris.
I'm starting to see a change in people the closer it gets to Saturday, and I'm hoping this means that we are going to see Goodison, at it's patriotic best.
115 Posted 02/02/2023 at 09:55:07
116 Posted 02/02/2023 at 09:55:11
117 Posted 02/02/2023 at 10:03:53
118 Posted 02/02/2023 at 10:12:30
119 Posted 02/02/2023 at 10:18:04
The narrative in the media is clear now, whether it's true not. Everton attempted to sign 10, 14, 15 (take your pick) forwards and every single one turned them down, often in favour of their relegation rivals. It's a great story, and our board are never going to tell us what really happened, so it's the story that will stick.
At the end of the day though, most of our signings over the past few years have been utter dogshit, so we've probably dodged 10, 14, 15 bullets (take your pick again).
120 Posted 02/02/2023 at 10:31:11
121 Posted 02/02/2023 at 10:36:12
122 Posted 02/02/2023 at 10:37:01
123 Posted 02/02/2023 at 10:39:26
I think he can still improve.
Patterson went from a promising attacking weapon to a guy who couldn't defend or attack.
The pair of them were not fitting into Lampard's system.
It will be interesting on saturday to see how Dyche sets us up, but it might be a one-off due to the quality of the visitors. Then the trip to Anfield will also most likely see us park the proverbial, so it might be a while before we see what Dyche can really do.
124 Posted 02/02/2023 at 10:44:03
I do not subscribe to the deadline scramble by Everton for new players, since there was no real preparation before hand regarding suitable transfers and even less thought put into the January Transfer Window, employing a New Manager on the last weekend before transfer deadline day,with the additional factor of having rubbished the Club's reputation with proven Fake News.
As for the names mentioned, nothing more than click bait, or PR leaks to give the impression Everton has money to spend, which it does not have.Probably setting Thewell up as a future scapegoat knowing who he is working with.
125 Posted 02/02/2023 at 10:45:32
126 Posted 02/02/2023 at 10:47:53
127 Posted 02/02/2023 at 10:51:44
128 Posted 02/02/2023 at 10:57:59
I think Mykolenko and Patterson can come good. Still young. Likewise, maybe McNeil with Dyche motivating him and giving him belief.
These are young players. For those who advocate playing the kids, we have to be patient with them.
129 Posted 02/02/2023 at 11:00:50
130 Posted 02/02/2023 at 11:01:58
131 Posted 02/02/2023 at 11:18:31
tosh we have witnessed - the team get a nosebleed when 40 yards frrom the poppositons goal. OK we have lost our quicker players in Richie and Gordon, but with the current players having the belief to express themselves and get the themselves and ball into the box, I do honestly think we can get out of this mess.
132 Posted 02/02/2023 at 11:19:03
Most fullbacks either right or left sided these days aren't great defensively, think back to a Tony Hibbert for example, old school.
But they need the be mobile and incisive, that's why Lucas Digne was such a creative source, and on another level again Leighton Baines.
I don't think Mykolenko will be good enough long term going forward, he won't get any better than he is.
Patterson for me, looks like he can do well going forward, my question mark is over his fitness, for a young lad he's missing too much football, is there a longer term problem that needs attention?
He should be taking over Coleman in 2023, but to do that he needs to stay fit, we can't sit around waiting until the 12th of never.
133 Posted 02/02/2023 at 11:22:56
134 Posted 02/02/2023 at 11:41:52
Hopefully Dyche will drill into them to put it in to the danger area no hesitation, Then if there are 2 forwards there to attack it at least its some threat.
Dcl & maupay make the runs but ball doesn't come. Gray guilty of it too.
If you watch the 23 pass goal Burnley scored at goodison it was no kick and rush.
Pass the ball, move into space it's not rocket science
135 Posted 02/02/2023 at 11:42:01
We get the ball and it's front two with width primarily from the two wide midfielders, less so from the full backs.
Key is don't lose shape, particularly at the back.
Will be interesting to see if the players will perform to it
136 Posted 02/02/2023 at 11:48:13
I'm past caring tbh. I'm not a defeatist but I've accepted we're going down and my blood pressure has done likewise. But I'll still be there Saturday thinking well you never know
137 Posted 02/02/2023 at 12:09:54
David - put it in the danger area no hesitation + 2 forwards to attack the ball. Absolutely.
Mike - all those good structural points. Absolutely.
I'm both fascinated and cautiously optimistic about Dyche.
I'd have liked to see Gyokeres and Ndiaye and maybe one or two others signed to help out. But Dyche's work with existing players is much more important than signing Isco or Ayew or whoever.
138 Posted 02/02/2023 at 12:13:02
139 Posted 02/02/2023 at 12:24:09
140 Posted 02/02/2023 at 12:26:00
141 Posted 02/02/2023 at 12:28:56
142 Posted 02/02/2023 at 12:29:36
143 Posted 02/02/2023 at 12:34:19
144 Posted 02/02/2023 at 12:46:24
145 Posted 02/02/2023 at 13:12:55
you just know it...
146 Posted 02/02/2023 at 13:25:12
It is becoming pretty obvious that other teams in the relegation battle want Everton to go down instead of them by the players they are buying.
It looks like even if a lot of supporters don't like his style, getting S.Dyche in at this time may work out ok,as being in a battle I don't think he will back down from it, just hope he can get the players up for it, I am sure the younger players given a chance will definitely be willing to fight for a place.
147 Posted 02/02/2023 at 13:33:05
Its the fact these muppets allowed Richarlison to leave and never replaced him, they've now sold Gordon and pocketed the cash.
They had six fuckin' weeks when that World Cup was being played to work on a proper well constructed plan involving transfers, they already knew that they needed on August deadline day.
What did we do in that break?
Piss fart about in the Aussie sunshine while mugs were at home freezing their ass off.
The January transfer window is not like Halloween when everyone starts knocking trick or treating on the day it arrives, a proper well organized business would have had deals set in place ready to go on January 1st.
We scramble around with our heads under our arms on January 31st.
The club is a joke.
148 Posted 02/02/2023 at 13:37:33
Not a massive loss but he may have had his uses. Good luck to him getting game time at Forest (who must surely have one of the biggest squads in the division now?)
149 Posted 02/02/2023 at 13:38:27
150 Posted 02/02/2023 at 13:39:21
I do think there's a bit of a difference between 'expressing concerns' and the relentless parade of negativity about pretty much every single part of the club that has become the dominant narrative on this channel though, (although fair play it's absolutely not from everyone here).
Maybe my language was incendiary, so I apologise for that certainly. I'm not typically so direct, but after the last few weeks/months I think something just snapped. We are definitely in trouble as a club, we're probably the most at risk we've been of relegation in recent memory, and the leadership has not been anywhere near good enough I won't disagree. But not everything or every body associated is shit.
After a sewer of negativity over the fact we hadn't signed anyone (the underlying frustration I understand, but some is just way overboard), to then have further vitriol immediately thrown at the prospect of maybe getting one of the players previously linked as an out of contract option just pushed a button I guess.
I actually think we do have a good enough squad to stay up if the manager can actually get the players heads right. I also didn't really see any names that moved in the window that I'm convinced would've vastly improved our specific fortunes, maybe Sarr was the one name that was an exception to that (but was he actually really available?)
From what I saw it seemed to be unproven championship strikers and wingers with questionable injury records and poor stats in inferior leagues. I don't feel the guy that's gone to Saints is going to pull up trees (if he ever actually gets off the treatment table) and I'm not that blown away by the one that Spurs hijacked us for who didn't really do much at Bournemouth.
Also interested to see how would you feel if we'd spent £40M+ on a young player with some potential but an actually pretty 'meh' goal/assist record and apparently questionable temperament?
151 Posted 02/02/2023 at 13:42:40
152 Posted 02/02/2023 at 13:48:32
I'm saying I'm not convinced that the players who were actually ever available to us (and specifically the ones that did move) which I'd say would've been a marked upgrade. I'm sure Jorginho, Mudryk and Enzo Fernandez could've done a job for us of course, but I'm not sure we were seriously in the running. I would've not been entirely unhappy with Elanga on loan (from what I'd seen of him in glimpses at United), but that wasn't on the cards either.
I will no doubt be proved wrong as some of these signings elsewhere will come off, but which of the players we had a chance of getting would you have brought in?
153 Posted 02/02/2023 at 14:28:50
ToffeeWeb is a diverse set of perspectives and is a place for people to shout, rant, cheer for joy, banter each other - it's essentially therapy for us all. For that I only see it is a positive space where we all ultimately want the same thing which is a successful team on the pitch that gives us something to cheer and enjoy.
No-one knows if signing nobody during this window will impact us negatively or positively, likewise whether the folks we were linked with were actually people we were really after or whether them coming in would improve us. If we all knew this with certainty (as many posters, including myself trot out) then we should be millionaires and have won the lottery by now.
We aren't as no-one really knows.
What is the point of this comment - basically don't get worked up when people don't agree with you. Don't jump down each other's throats for having a different opinion. I'm on the side of negativity right now as think the leadership at this club have completely failed in their duty of custodians of this club - they are to blame for a lot of the crap we are in and so think people should protest.
The real issue was when the Russian tanks rolled into Ukraine and sanctions hit the Oligarchs. It's clear now to everyone that it's not Moshiri's money that's been going into this club, its Usmanov's - that's why we haven't got the funding for the stadium growing costs, its why FFP is really biting us right now.
I'll support the team each week, hoping for a win and some glimmers of hope, but history tells me that I'll keep being disappointed. I am more than happy to be proved wrong believe me as relegation will be an unmitigated disaster for this club.
Keep the faith, keep being negative/positive - it all contributes to the healthiness of the debate and the intent is always positive ultimately, to make this great club we all love better.
Onwards blues!
154 Posted 02/02/2023 at 14:35:03
The scouts etc know all the players / targets inside out. It's nothing to do with that. The problem is how the markets work and, by a mile, our finances.
155 Posted 02/02/2023 at 14:36:50
156 Posted 02/02/2023 at 14:56:30
He looks like he's aged 20 years. A totally broken man already.
157 Posted 02/02/2023 at 14:57:18
I've emailed the club now twice about Josh Williams at Connah's Quay Nomads,only 50 Grand!!!...if this lad doesn't make it at the top level then I'll give footy a rest and follow Ice Hockey instead!
158 Posted 02/02/2023 at 14:58:42
159 Posted 02/02/2023 at 15:00:23
If Forest sign Ayew, his previous relationship with Cooper has a lot to do with it.
160 Posted 02/02/2023 at 15:02:59
161 Posted 02/02/2023 at 15:09:55
162 Posted 02/02/2023 at 15:15:43
If Dyche saved us here it will be a miracle and he can become our new chairman too once we are sold.
Just had a quick chat with a neighbour who supports Arsenal. He doesn't care about our position and just wants his team to hammer us so they win the league. I told him that I want them to win the league also but more than anything I want us to win against Arsenal to give us all a lift and get some nice threads posted on ToffeeWeb come Saturday night.
COYB
163 Posted 02/02/2023 at 15:21:12
Watford are the only club that have confirmed that Everton, tried to sign a player, and quite a few clubs, have said that Everton, were a hindrance, during the last transfer window, because it was believed they never had the money to actually sign players.
We made a bid for Giroud? If this is even believable, then why, after he turned the club down two years ago? Just another thing that doesn't make any sense.
To be fair to the club, they stayed very quiet, and it was possibly all just television talk. We bid for Gallagher, not according to Chelsea, is one example of this.
Bringing in a new manager for a dog-fight, and not giving him a penny, should surely bring a statement from someone inside our club, because the silence is deafening once more.
Hopefully soon Moshiri will sell up, because it's obvious that he's been kidded by Kenwright, and his nepotistic poison? Hopefully soon, Everton will have a new beginning.
164 Posted 02/02/2023 at 15:43:13
Dyche saying how fit the players actually are is a massive positive imo. Fill a players head with too much stuff, and he will lose track of what he's supposed to be doing, imo. Simplify it, give them some confidence, and get them to believe in themselves. This has got to be the way forward right now?
165 Posted 02/02/2023 at 15:46:57
So what's the issue?
Presumably money or lack of it. Which maybe leads to Tony's suggestion that we're difficult to deal with. With Diaz for example we couldn't do it unless they took Rodriguez as part of the deal. With Mudryk, maybe we offered something like the £35m we pay on the drip for Onana.
Saints, Bournemouth and Forest have all bought some good up and coming players. So our status as a relegation threatened club is not the barrier. So presumably we just cannot offer a financial package agents, target players and selling clubs will go for.
Are we targeting the wrong sorts of players? Possibly a bit of that. But we were linked with Gibbs-White, Ouattara, Onuachu etc who all joined lesser clubs. We could go for the tier below, but we then stray into more speculative signings who wouldn't improve us right now anyway.
So maybe the ones we actually can afford aren't the ones we need right now?
Very difficult.
166 Posted 02/02/2023 at 15:50:59
167 Posted 02/02/2023 at 15:52:29
168 Posted 02/02/2023 at 15:55:21
169 Posted 02/02/2023 at 15:59:49
170 Posted 02/02/2023 at 16:07:33
Seems to me it's been quantity over quality and their owners have fallen into the same trap as Moshiri did.
171 Posted 02/02/2023 at 16:12:24
172 Posted 02/02/2023 at 16:16:29
I was just looking at Forest's squad. Didn't realize they have FIVE first team goalies including Dean Henderson, Keylor Navas and Wayne Hennessey. Seems like overkill to me?
173 Posted 02/02/2023 at 16:18:50
174 Posted 02/02/2023 at 16:20:15
175 Posted 02/02/2023 at 16:21:51
176 Posted 02/02/2023 at 16:26:04
177 Posted 02/02/2023 at 16:28:07
looks like finances and players just not wanting to come here have done for us in the main though this time.
178 Posted 02/02/2023 at 16:36:59
And thank god. Sick and tired of signing rubbish.
Enjoy forest with the other 37 signings
179 Posted 02/02/2023 at 16:37:08
I appreciate you are more of a bucket half full person and there are plenty on here who are bucket half empty, myself included. But the last transfer debacle is not the cause it is a symptom of what has been inexorable decline since Moshiri too over.
He has spent money, for sure, but I personally don't think it's his, rather it's mostly if not wholly the Uzbeki's. You might even argue that without Putin, we may not be in these dire straits. But we are and they are dire. And it's been a 7 year journey there.
The people who run the club are unlikely to make a short term impact, players and managers can do that. But they are vital to the long term health of the club and successful clubs pretty much always have good, experienced people running them. Now on our 7th manager in as many years and nearly rooted to the bottom of the table, with the football world openly laughing at us, surely the conclusion is unavoidable.
Changing the board and ideally the owner won't keep us up but we have no long term prospects as a top EPL club until they are removed. So we are Janus faced, one side behind the team and manager, the other set implacably against these clowns and liars.
180 Posted 02/02/2023 at 16:46:15
I'm not laughing now
181 Posted 02/02/2023 at 17:11:20
182 Posted 02/02/2023 at 17:13:59
The unrest over the way the club Is run is more than just opinion or conjecture it's fact now for all to see. With years of evidence to back fans worst fears.
So it's not the usual negative comments about certain players or certain tactics, that will always be around on fan sites. It's genuine concern about the state and future of the club. It's not negative for negative sake.
If you want to be given the rose tinted version of how well Everton is doing, see the official EFC site .
I Hope we can come together for these important few months to once again show the board that we are the most important part of the club.
Then hope someone is willing to take a chance on moshiris stake and get them all out !
183 Posted 02/02/2023 at 17:21:10
184 Posted 02/02/2023 at 17:23:21
185 Posted 02/02/2023 at 17:26:55
Why do we have a Director of Football? It shows signs of desperation rather than what we need.
Stay with what we have. Hopefully Sean brings a different mentality and methods to keep us up.
186 Posted 02/02/2023 at 17:29:05
187 Posted 02/02/2023 at 17:31:12
I think Ayew was talking about himself
188 Posted 02/02/2023 at 17:34:52
189 Posted 02/02/2023 at 17:39:56
A showreel starting with 30 seconds of celebrating with team mates and no action tells all. The idea this guy was being considered as an Everton player shows this club has truly collapsed.
Sean needs to take the team to Lourdes and pray for a miracle. Lazarus in the tomb was in better shape lets hope we get a similar result
190 Posted 02/02/2023 at 17:52:38
I am also hoping that Dyche can get more out of our lads and, with a couple of decent results, the team will push on.
I suppose we will soon see.
191 Posted 02/02/2023 at 17:55:38
;-)
192 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:02:02
193 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:11:11
What is his fucking role if this is his best effort this transfer window??? He has failed to land any of his targets. He has failed to sign an out-of-contract 33-year-old has-been who has said "Thanks but no thanks".
As a club, do we need Thelwell? Even I could have got that one home!!
194 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:11:32
195 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:15:41
196 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:15:55
197 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:16:05
I've seen lots of speculating from papers but nothing from the club or player saying we offered him a deal. I noticed Dyche in his presser said "There's a reason players don't have clubs."
198 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:16:50
Walsh, Brands and now Thelwell.
All of these men were highly regarded but it seems that they are not trusted to do their jobs.
It wouldn't matter who was Director of Football if you can't offer enough money up front or wages high enough for players, agents and clubs will go elsewhere.
Financial mismanagement impacts everything.
199 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:18:38
Seriously, Forest need investigating. We may be in deep shit financially but they are going to go tits up even bigger style.
200 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:19:15
Oumar Naisse had a shot in him. He is the only player who will ever be penalised after the match for 'successful deception of a match official'. He was going well until then.
It is a pity the VAR wasn't around then, he would have gotten away with it. He also showed Koeman up as an idiot after he took his locker away.
What Everton would give for a player like Oumar Naisse now.
201 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:21:05
You've answered your own question. These guys weren't allowed to do their own job!
202 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:21:35
He went to Forest because they have given a 33-year-old journeyman 𧴜,000 a week. We have fucking been there and seen it.
203 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:21:57
204 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:26:57
If we'd have acted this financially responsible and selective when buying players for the last 7 years, we'd be in a much better place now.
205 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:32:34
Don't sack a manager early on.
Don't bring in players first week of January.
Sack the manager a couple of days before window closes.
Appoint one with a day or two left of the window.
Scramble for players and make phantom bids.
If I'm looking at this from the outside and oblivious to it being a football club, you would laugh.
It's a comedy show led by the Chuckle Brothers.
206 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:37:14
Sean Dyche should be telling this squad "Forget the last 20 games, this is the beginning of our season and we need 22 points out of 54 to survive. We don't need to panic."
207 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:41:48
208 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:43:26
I've had big fights in life and not just with Everton.
We fight and stay up.
But then it has to change at the top.
209 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:46:44
210 Posted 02/02/2023 at 18:57:56
We do not need a huge squad. Mostly we have only one game a week until the end of May. There is no need for massive rotation. Dyche is used to working with a small group of players. A small tight-knit squad of committed players will outperform a large unwieldy group comprising players new to the league and/or the country.
211 Posted 02/02/2023 at 19:14:14
I too believe that Everton will dodge relegation, but in the case of the worst outcome, I can say, "If God spares me, I will be in my Park End seat next season, irrespective of the league Everton are competing in."
Hi Danny [208],
I have said on quite a few posts that "On match days, my world is 120 yards x 70 yards. Any problems I may have to deal with, are forgotten for the best part of two hours. I have learned over the years to approach games with an open mind, and to put football in its true position. There are far worse things happening in the world than a football club losing a game.
212 Posted 02/02/2023 at 19:28:53
I know where you are coming from but I genuinely believe any (real) transfer targets that fucked us off will look back and regret it.
Deluded possibly, but we have to just hope – yes, fuckin hope again – we get our shit together and sail into Bramley-Moore Dock safe and kick on.
Imagine being one of those that fucked us off looking back? Fuckin' Southampton.
213 Posted 02/02/2023 at 19:32:26
214 Posted 02/02/2023 at 19:56:25
As soon as I saw that, I thought "No-one is going to want to come here now!!"
Yes, the board have done their bit but so too have a handful of fans. Players must think they'd be coming to a cauldron of toxicity!
215 Posted 02/02/2023 at 20:13:47
Ayew had played for the Forest manager before that is all, and how many people would have been screaming and yelling if Lampard had signed this 33-year-old has-been, who cemented a move by becoming a free agent?
The way people are making it sound, it was the Storming of The Bastille.
216 Posted 02/02/2023 at 20:27:38
I'm getting a bit sick of all this shit about players won't want to sign for us because:
A) The fans being “at war with the boardâ€; and
B) A couple of players confronted whilst in their cars (although Yerry got out).
How many years have Man Utd fans been “at war with their boardâ€? And don't forget, Slippy Gerrard and Wayne Rooney were actually given death threats and threats to their family, for having the temerity to want a transfer.
They weren't shouted at with “You're not fit to wear the shirtâ€, really terrifying that by the way… No, they were actually given death threats!!
So just let that sink in for a while… Death Threats issued by your own fans – not someone shouting “You're not fit to wear the shirtâ€.
217 Posted 02/02/2023 at 20:42:03
Players will want to play in the Premier League and we pay decent wages, but we've tried to take the piss and clubs have laughed us out the door – Sarr from Watford being a perfect example.
218 Posted 02/02/2023 at 20:55:52
Precisely. I highly doubt any player saw 3 children saying "what the f?" anthony a few times and thought "Oh my God! I am in fear of my life!"
219 Posted 02/02/2023 at 20:59:14
But it has to be cause for concern that every player given a choice between us and some other club has chosen some other club.
220 Posted 02/02/2023 at 21:00:59
I'd sooner go down and the same for Isco.
I don't want us to become a team for geriatrics looking for a last big payoff once we realise the are not up the the pace of the premiership or the championship.
We're better of bringing young players into our U21 or even U18 setups.
Lots of young players on other premier clubs books such as Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd etc who are looking for an opportunity to get into a first team and we are a better option.
Let's build for the future whether it's here or the championship.
221 Posted 02/02/2023 at 21:11:18
I would rather Dyche get a tune out of this squad, I'd like to see Mills and Simms given more game time this season.
I really like Dyche and am praying for a reaction from the team.
222 Posted 02/02/2023 at 21:30:42
And then it was all nice and airbrushed from history.
Not unusual for them. Two faced shithouses. And they call us bitter? At least we're honest.
I'm having a bad day but I despise that club.
Live with our history rather than theirs.
223 Posted 02/02/2023 at 21:38:44
224 Posted 02/02/2023 at 21:50:17
225 Posted 02/02/2023 at 21:52:43
We simply have no money, neither did Arsenal or Spurs when building a new ground and they had never wasted money like we have, no other club on the planet at any stage in time have, so let's not sponk the few quid we have spare on Ayew.
If we are to stay up then it won't be with the help of Ayew, we have better forwards than him already at the club, plus Simms who must be chomping at the bit.
I genuinely have no issue with a lack of funds, its the bull shit we get told that pisses me off, just wish the club came out with brutal honesty and told us exactly how it was.
My opinion is we have no money cos we need it for the ground and incase we go down as we don't want to be another Portsmouth.
Siege mentality needed now by our squad, 18 games to keep us up.
226 Posted 02/02/2023 at 22:28:31
Don't waste money on these journeymen. Just work bloody hard on the training ground and even harder on match days. There is quality in this squad. Let's see if Sean D has what it takes to make it shine and get us out of this mess.
227 Posted 03/02/2023 at 01:07:26
….makes you wonder: how much are we going to let him down and set him up to fall?
What ARE we good for? What are we good at?
Complete utter shambles that we can't even attract a 3:yr old free transfer journey man that our new manager wants to our ailing club
Just disappear from our club chaps. You're absolutely useless at your shite job
228 Posted 03/02/2023 at 10:00:43
229 Posted 03/02/2023 at 13:15:16
The Gordon affair has left a bad taste and the fee could have and should have been used but maybe there just wasn't anything out there right now who could make a difference to what we already have except Mbappe who was injured. L.O.L.
Seriously though Dyche has a tremendous task ahead and one hopes he can do something with the team as a whole to pick up some precious points over the next 2 weeks or more, certainly the Leeds game.
230 Posted 03/02/2023 at 18:19:24
231 Posted 03/02/2023 at 18:40:03
232 Posted 03/02/2023 at 19:28:54
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