Premier League — Matchweek 36

Great headed goal by Challobah for Chelsea.

1-0 at the break.

Good result for Villa if this holds.

No such good news for Villa in their Euro Conference league semi final against Olympiakos. They trail 2-1 at half time. Was worse as they trailed 2-0.

Villa now 4-2 down, after pulling it back to 2-2.

No offence to Villa but, if Olympiakos progress, it will at least add some variety to the competition, eg, a Greek side in a final as opposed to the usual dominance of the "Big Four" (England, Germany, Italy, Spain).

Villa miss a pen. Pathetic kick by Douglas Luiz though, one of those little stuttering run ups, and then kicks it wide.

Just run up and smack it in, for fuck's sake!

Rob #6

That's my definition of foreplay...

Disgusting penalty call

Havertz is a cheat. I can't stand Arsenal.

I am a recent Arsenal hater convert. Maybe it is only the USA or California contingent but over time I've found their fans to be condescending shits. Not one has talked football lately.

Can someone shut that commentator up. Talk about verbal diarrhoea. He's worst that Martin Tyler. And as for the woman.

Bournemouth are making this interesting. Two strong sequences into the box from the left and right sides.

I'm with you there Dale. As a lad, back in the late sixties, early seventies the Gunners were pretty much my “other team” if you like. Now I despise them and have done since the arch angel Wenger introduced the dark arts to them. Arteta is another disciple, cheating and conning people left, right and centre.Theres only one other club I detest more.

I can understand why the Ref gave the penalty but I can't understand why Var didn't send him to the Monitor...Var has effectively made the decision there AND they had the benefit of seeing exactly what Havertz did !.. Cheating... Gerrard used to do the exact same thing

I have not seen a referee sent to the monitor and keep the original call So the ever so weak contact created by Haavertz's intentionally unnatural leg movement was enough to not review. If Bournemouth made it to halftime goalless and then opened it up like they did, they could easily have scored first.

I take that first sentence back, I have seen a few.

John (13), Arteta was a cheat before he became a disciple of breaking the rules, I used to scream at him at Everton for going down when he lost the ball and looking for a foul, the refs. got used to him and ignored his play acting after a while. Other fans would have a go at me when I called him out” They all do it “ was their answer “ Doesn't matter how many do it, it's still cheating “ was my reply then and it still applies now except pundits give them credit for doing it with their “ He was entitled to go down there “ and referees are going along with it!

The game stinks to high heaven now and unless time is called on the way the game is played now it will get worse.

The skill in todays football is much higher than it was but so is the win at any cost attitude.

Dyche defied gravity at Burnley for years. The reception he got when he went back with Everton showed how popular he was with genuine Burnley fans.

Kompany was hailed as a massive upgrade by some on here, but he couldnt keep them up for a single season. He'll struggle to amass 25 points.

Forest lead Sheff. Utd 2-1, meaning Sheff. Utd have conceded 99 league goals so far this season. Anyone hoping Forest don't score again and we can make it 100 goals conceded next week?

Forget that. Forest just scored again. ☹️☹️

Bottom three are hopeless, their respective points tallies are embarrassing! A good season to take some points deductions.

Unfortunately our main problem is financial viability which will time and more pain before it's solved.

Iwobi is still useless. Watching the game and rime and time again he messes up.

Foden, de Bruyne, Haaland, Rodri - it's not fair

And a pen ....

Very harsh penalty that.

it was Rob but Wolves look like damage limitation already - glad to see the backs of Luton nasty little town full of nasty little nationalists, they're down now

jeez height Haaland gets for that header - proverbial salmon

Paul, was impressed with the height that DCL gets - especially that one yesterday that the goalie saved

Paul, Haaland is about eight foot tall, don't forget! 😀😀

Pen, and therefore should be a red.

true Rob - he's massive - that looked more of a pen than the pen

They were just saying that on Sky Gerry - yep has to be a pen

There is a 3" difference in height between them - I am sure that Paul will know what a difference 3" does make????

and he has to give a red card right if it's a pen?

Unstoppable, but why was it only a yellow card, as surely Samedo is the last man, took Haaland from behind and prevented a goal scoring chance?

I think the sky commentator said it couldn't be raised to a red after/by VAR

How good is Gardiul / Guardiol / Gaadeeeoll???

Still playing and the empty City seats behind the Wolves goal is just amazing.

Sums them up...plastic fans

is right Gerry, City got a corner and free kick in that last minute

Rob/PF, the current rules against double jeopardy mean you can't give a last-man red AND a penalty. If it's a last-man foul outside the box, it's red. If it's in the box, it's yellow.

Giving both a pen and a red for that would have been too harsh.

Nice one, Mike, though seems all bollocks to me, so any lad can do anything he wants outside the box when someone darts ahead of him and just get a yellow.

We didn't get any fecking double jeopardy with our points cut!

That tall blond kid for City seems to have some decent potential.

feck me what a goal, finish, and two passes

who's Mile?

If Everton had scored that stunning goal some on here would be complaining it was "hoofball."

His 4th goal just brilliant from the big bloke there.

I'm 20 points clear or thereabouts in the ToffeeWeb fantasy league with no reed shite unlike everyone around me - can anyone not see City winning all their games? I want 'teta to win it though.

I want City to win it myself coz it'll piss the redshite off no end.

True Brian.

Haalands 25th goal

Didn't see that the tractor boys got promotion, well done them, so that's Forest and Ipswich who we will be better thaan next season - need Norwich or West Brom to win the play off

PF, Ipswich have been promoted two seasons in a row and their Mourinho-educated manager has infused them with massive confidence and terrific organization.

Do not assume that we are better than them.

I have to MG. Yes Kieran McKenna has done a great job there and maybe Nathan B will score a few against us, they love him in Tractorville.

Don't know if this will post. Great photo.

Link

So, Nathan Broadhead hung in there with Ipswich Town and made it to the big league after all.

Mike, I think that rule only applies if the ref deems that an attempt was made to play the ball. If not, it's a red and a penalty.

Rob Halligan & Paul Ferry.

New rule is that, if the referee deems that the defender made a genuine attempt to play the ball but mis-times, then it results in a yellow, as opposed to a cynical attempt to take the player out, which equals a red card.

Thank, John.

Looks like it is goodbye, David Moyes.

West Ham 3-nil down after 35 minutes.

Part of his business plan, Bill. He's earned more in sackings than even Mourinho.

70 goals conceded this season by West Ham.

What happened to Dour Davie?

Poor wee Davie must be sobbing into his porridge.

I feel so sorry for him. How embarrassing losing 5-0 to Chelsea.

Oh, er... wait a minute.

Idolising that twat Klippety Klopp - I wonder if he will get banned from the rs training ground like their other "god" Shankly was?

Outrageous Dive from cheat Gakpo. Unpunished as usual.

Does this commentator support the shite? He screeches the names of all RS players, but it's barely a whisper for a Spurs player. 2-0 now, so it's goodbye to the CL for “Big Club my Arse” Spurs.

Big Club? Spurs are dreadful, they think they're prime Barca with all this passing around at the back. Bloody suicidal!!!!

Johnson had to score there. The Red Shite were top of the table 4 weeks ago.

Spurs fans slinking off home – not bad subs though, Maddison and Richarlison.

I wonder what their fans would be like if they were in our position? Can't imagine the media bawling out all the shite they print for them...

Richy boy - goal and assist

Spurs fans singing 'You lost the League at Goodison Park'

I wonder how Richarlison views his move to Spurs? Cannot believe he's happy being on their bench (or anyone else's)

I think he misses last games of the season at Goodison Park Mike

4-2 - come on you Spurs (but definitely not after tonight!) - get 2 or 3 more...

I'm sure he does, Paul. Also, when with us, he was generally a starter in the Brazil side. That's no longer the case.

A great player – I hope he moves to somewhere he'll be appreciated.

This commentator has gone very quiet the last fifteen minutes or so. Must be shitting himself should Spurs pull another back.

He's had a string of unlucky injuries and he also spoke courageously about his mental health - he will not say how much money he has given for poverty, sanitation, and the environment in his home town but it will be in the multiple and maybe many millions.

MUTE!!!!

Bingo gums teeth making a complete tit out of himself there

If Richarlison had come on 20 minutes earlier, Spurs could've won that. Son is a greedy little shit and the fat Aussie is overrated.

Can we get Richarlison back, please?

Don't know about 'won', Colin. But Son is a shit, and I've never understood the sympathy the prick got after his shithousery on Gomes. He was never getting the ball, and he would have known it going in.

Rob,

I'm always bemused by the obsession over a yellow card foul committed 4 years ago. I've got a friend who is still absolutely raging about it.

Mike, look at the 10 seconds before the foul.

Son had just been made to look a fool. He then dives in. "Yellow card foul" or not, Son never had any chance of getting the ball.

He wrecked Gomes' career with that tackle, and because of his tears, and by virtue of playing for a media darling team, he didn't get the kind of opprobrium that (for example) Pickford got for injuring Sir van Dijk.

Also: since when do Everton fans forget anything? Ever?

Mike. I was there that day and I still rage about it. I was that mad, and that distressed for Gomes, I left the game as soon as I saw how bad it was.

Son had lost his rag because Gomes done him with skill. I can still see the look of sheer anger on that twat's face as he lunged at Gomes.

He's a first class cunt!

I too was there that day. Sheer petulance as he lost his rag when he lost the ball. And then we had the crocodile tears.

Anyone else think it had to be a penalty for dangerous kicking (at head height)?

Come off it, Rob, Son didn't "wreck Gomes' career" with that tackle.

First, it wasn't the tackle itself that injured Gomes, it was banging into Aurier's planted leg. This wasn't Neil Taylor showing his studs and shattering Seamus. It was a stupid yellow card foul and an accident.

Second, Gomes was and is no worse a player after the leg break than before. People somehow have these rosy-hued memories of the pre-injury Gomes, but the fact is he was an absolute failure, a total flop except for one outstanding performance at Anfield.

He had played about 40 games for us and scored one pitiful, meaningless goal. He was an "attacking" midfielder who couldn't attack, and cost us games with stupid giveaway fouls around our own box. The previous time we had played Spurs at home, when they scored 6, he was made to look totally ridiculous by Dele.

And third, the injury wasn't some horrible catastrophe. Andre missed 14 games, just over a third of the season. And we took 25 points from those games. It was our best stretch of the season.

Given his skills, Andre's career has never been much more than a wreck in my view, injured or not. He's probably a better contributor now than he has ever been, just by taking those idiotic fouls out of his game.

Hey, if you guys want to keep raging at Son, be my guest, but in my view it's been historically overblown.

An accident that happened because he went for a fucking stupid tackle which never stood a chance of getting the ball.

Your assessment of Andre Gomes's career is largely based on what you think a player in his position should achieve. And doesn't erase the fact that the tackle took away what pace Gomes had beforehand.

But we're not going to agree, and I don't see a plus in picking a fight, let alone with a poster I generally agree with more often than not. So I'll apologise and bow out here.

"Also: since when do Everton fans forget anything? Ever?"

I've forgotten the 0-5 Rush derby Rob, three 1980s cup finals, Alan Biley, Mike Walker, 0-7 Arsenal, Lampard's goal at Elland Road etc.

No apologies, please, Rob... debates are fun! And where else can we have them? I'm a long way from the Bramley Moore.

I had a beaut with Pete on the same subject in his living room on my visit last fall. He's on your side.

Gomes was affected, both physically and psychologically by that injury.

He is a very talented football. In the right midfield with "work horses" around him, he can have an impact.

Mike, it's Autumn!! Although New Hampshire in "the Fall" is stunning.

Well, rumour season is starting. All speculation and lazy press reporting.

Tuchel to Manchester United from Bayern. Ten Hag to Bayern. I think they're making it up.

Moyes apparently on his way out from West Ham with a manager I've never heard of apparently agreeing a deal.

Meanwhile, according to my family, Liverpool going for the Feyenoord manager, Slot.

Moyes to Burnley?

It will be an interesting summer.

Man Utd are so fecking poor here.

What is this fucking obsession with Dutch managers?

I can't see Man Utd getting many praises for this performance, once more going on their tarnished reputation.

Time for a managerial change, I think

4-0 embarrassing. The distance is enormous between Ten Haag's mediocrities and the Top 3...

Mike @ 91,

I hope you are okay after falling in Pete's living room.

Why Branthwaite would want to join this useless bunch of shite, god knows?

Having the same thought myself, Rob. There will be nothing but confusion, concern, and disarray there this summer. And Ratcliffe thinks he's going to breeze in and sort it all out?!

Jarrad should swerve Man Utd and Ratcliffe's promises and overtures.

How the hell did Man Utd do the double over us!?

They've been shit all season.

A point just being made on Sky that the Man Utd fans, the majority of them, stayed until the final whistle despite a 4-0 hammering.

I wish our fans would do the same in similar circumstances.

Pretty strong language on the Man Utd manager from Michael Owen and Paul Scholes, saying he should no longer be allowed near that team and more words to that effect.

I'm nearly crying in my beer… but will have to stop laughing first!

Wonder what sort of send-off Moyes will get on Saturday?

You started early, John!

What a week you picked to watch Everton!

Hope you will write something.

Paul #104,

Think he will get a lot of applause. Perhaps not on the Richter Scale of his Goodison send-off… but close.

Me, too, Brendan, and it's not so close to the pitch there.

The hostiles will be relieved that he is going; the rest will be respectful; and Moyes is peeved this time as he got the boot and is not leaving on his terms.

I never leave until all of the players have left the pitch, John, regardless of the result. Like you say, I wish all supporters would do that.

I appreciate people want to get home, but stay until the end. I always have done.

It's incredible to think that Moyes got the boot after delivering silverware to a club that has never really won much for the first time in 43 years, and yet he was clapped out of Goodison despite not winning any silverware for a club that was a lot more used to it, after 11 trophy-less seasons and never winning a game away from home against any of the top four teams.

How Moyes, got 11 seasons is completely staggering, but the man who benefited the most got an unbelievable 23 seasons.

Oh Dear, Oh Dear, Oh Fucking Dear…🤮🤮🤮

It shows up football in a big way these days that such a mediocre manager with a really dour nature can become a multi-millionaire with so little talent.

And yet he was given a tremendous send-off on his last day as manager of Everton. Well I believe he got a great send-off — I was on my toes and away as soon as the final whistle was blown.

The appointed manager of Man Utd was still giving contracts out to Everton players in his last months here — shows how well Kenwright was running the club.

Oh dear, indeed, Tony.

Dave @110,

I actually thought you were talking about The Gruffalo when I read your first line! When I read on ToffeeWeb fans suggesting a man (who had a worse record than Mike Walker) not winning a game in 15 games, is the right man for our club?

Yet they criticize Moyes who, in most of his time, kept us around 7th with little or no money to spend. Many come on this site saying we need to buy unproven talent cheap, polish them up and sell them for much gold, just as Brighton have done over the last few years. But Moyes did that better than anybody, he kept this club afloat financially by doing this coupled with the money we received for finishing 7th.

No, he didn't win any trophies but, given the shit show he inherited from Walter Smith and where we were when he left is why he was applauded in his last game at Goodison.

Could he have played a more attacking style? Probably, but The Gruffalo is playing agricultural football and is being praised for it.

Despite West Ham fans not being happy with his style of football, let me tell you it's infinitely better than what Dyche has on display – and he did win them a European trophy, their first trophy in a very long time.

Football fans are never happy.

Brian,

No, he didn't win any trophies

Come on, Brian – of all people, you should know that's not true.

Virtual Jackpot if you can name the trophy Moyes won as manager of Everton?

David Moyes released at West Ham, no extension of contract.

Despite Tim Howard's praise, the West Ham board don't see him as the messiah nor do they rate his style of football, so often the complaint at Everton. For a club with delusions of granduer, winning a European trophy was not enough, they don't want risk-averse football, they want expansive football, to play with style (lose in style more like).

Where does that leave Moyes? Is he just a different version of what we already have? Probably in fairness a better manager but have we fallen so far that we would even consider replacing Dyche for Moyes? Or is it just the other side of the same coin?

Moyes got a few Manager of the Season awards, didn't he Michael?

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see him back managing Everton in the near future if there is any truth in these rumours about Timmy Cahill and the Qataris, judging by the way some of his ex-players hold him in high esteem.

That last sentence made me smile, Brian, because your defense of Dour Davie is very admirable.

As an Evertonian, one thing I have always held sacred is honesty and commitment to the club.

Many have displayed a total lack of this, including Kenwright.
Moyes imo displayed a total lack of respect to Everton, not only in the way he left but the fact he tried to sign some of our best talent for no money...t hen accusing Everton of holding their careers back when we wouldn't sell.

I don't like the man, his statement when asked what does it mean to be Man Utd manager really boiled my piss: "It means I can now go out and try to win football matches" or words to that effect.

Man has no class.

Moyes back at Everton!

For fuck's sake, no!

It seems strange to me. My distant relative, Moyes lead West Ham to a European trophy less than 12 months ago.

I get they have had some poor results, but they are comfortably sat in 9th place, although, without our points deduction and a win, we'd be right up there with them.

The fickle nature of football.

Not sure where he goes from here. Maybe Burnley could be a shout depending on what Kompany does. Davey has links to the North West.

Birmingham relegated -- among them former Blues John Ruddy and Lukas Jutkiewicz. Condolences, lads.

Michael @112,

I suggest you read my post again where I clearly said "no, he didn't win any trophies" while with us.

Moyes wouldn't last 5 mins here the days of accepting any style to survive are long gone.

Remember his first full season was 7th and a decade later his average was 7th/8th without any silverware via mostly defensive footy that collapsed in big games. That cack wouldn't be entertained now

Dyche will be gone by Xmas unless he combines results and near peak Barca performances because fans demand everything – regardless of circumstances. And what fucking circumstances we have here.

Be hilarious if he did turn up mind…

Brian,

Michael may be alluding to the illustrious "MLS Cup".

Brian (111),

Yes, there was little money to spend when Moyes was manager yet he was one of the highest-paid managers in Europe and he was paid more than any of the players.

In fact, he said, in his opinion, the manager should be the highest-paid person at the club. He might not have had many arguments against that if he had had the talent to back it up – but he definitely didn't, preferring trying not to lose instead of going out to try and win some games.

For me, my shout of “Free at last, Free at last, Free at last, when he went still holds true today, for me anyway, Glad to see the back of him. I wish the other fella was still here as well so I could see the back of him.

Brain @120,

I likewise suggest you re-read my post @112 where I quote that statement from your earlier post that says: "No, he didn't win any trophies" but indicates that you may have not quite got all your facts straight.

Hummels, what a player

I love watching these defensive master classes. Well done Dortmund.

Hummels is pure class, Paul.

Several Bundesliga titles and a World Cup winner's medal not to forget his German cup winner's medals. And still going strong in his mid-30s.

If he fancies a swan song in the Premier League, I'd take him tomorrow. Wishful thinking!!

Yes, Danny, wonder if this will be another all-Bundesliga final – I was in London the last time, was it 2013 or 2014? Those Bayern and Dortmund fans do not like each other, do they!

Meanwhile, I'm going to enjoy Madrid v Munich. What a treat!

Neuer, what a keeper!

What were you saying, Paul?

Got to feel for Neuer, ex-Stoke striker scores.

Madrid lead 2-1 now.

Ha, yes Rob, so sad though and what a block that was from Dier.

Offside, mate.

Actually… maybe not.

Joselu — the Amokachi of Madrid!

There is life after Stoke.

Joselu was clearly onside. Munich also took Kane off.

There's no life in Stoke! 😁😁

Good 8/9 minutes left.

I can confirm that, Rob, after spending 9 years with the only beautiful girl in Stoke.

Why isn't Joselu offside when the ball is played through to Rudiger?

He's in an offside position and obviously gaining an advantage — he scored! If he'd been onside, he'd have been further back and may well wouldn't have scored.

Surely it's all the same phase?

Jude was poor tonight

Was the referee giving two fingers to everyone just then, or saying two minutes left?

Zwei minuten mas.

No, Michael, he isn't interfering with play during the initial phase, and then he's behind the ball, and therefore back onside, to side-foot home the second goal.

That was onside for Bayern then.

Early offside flag rules it out… and The Dinosaur reaches yet another Champions League Final.

Teuchel acting like a total knob.

Terrible officiating from the linesman, Rob, and a lot more contentious than the Madrid winner, imo mate.

Somewhere, Ian Edwards gently weeps into his half-and-half scarf…

Strange, it usually takes the linesman a few minutes to call an offside — he raised his flag right away that stopped the play, the goalscorer was not offside,

I can't believe that late decision, Tony, that linesman better not go anywhere near Bavaria anytime soon.

Bringing Kim on was a big mistake. Bayern the better team over the 2 legs — well done, Crosby's Carlo.

Tony, I think it was Rudiger's arm which was playing the Bayern player onside. The linesman was way too quick putting his flag up for that one.

I thought Bayern were very wasteful tonight, Paul, which surprised me.

Ancelotti left Everton in May 2021 and, three seasons later, he his through to his second Champions League Final.

The Bernabeu looked incredible tonight, and being both a lunatic and a true believer in Everton Football Club, I'm hoping that our soon-to-be new stadium will look equally impressive once we finally get back on the right track.

The officials are told to keep their flags down, so he should be forced to explain why he instantly put his flag up, but this simply won't happen. No wonder so many people are frustrated with certain elements of the modern game.

Tuchel did know Real Madrid always do an amazing comeback. Taking Kane off let Real put more players forward.

Awful decision if he put his flag up for offside. Maybe he thinks it was a foul by Muller. However he should let the play go until the ball goes dead.

You're right Tony. They looked really well drilled at the back until Kim was brought on. Neuer was superb before that horrow show. Bayern midfield was disappointing and Sane was hardly ever in the game. But taking Kane off was utter madness.

Teuchel will go now and he would have killed to say goodbye/feck off after a Wembley win. I don't think much of the New Wembley to be honest; the arch is decent at night. Bramley Moore is a far more interesting and spectacular stadium.

Yes Jack, the linesman is supposed to wait to put the flag up.

Tony,

Thanks for that… but doesn't this describe exactly what happened:

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate.

Very literal, I know, but that's the Law!

Carlo's Real Madrid left it late, but got the job done.

Good luck to him. An ex-Everton manager against a former Klopp club in the final!

Thanks for that Michael, and just more confirmation that even the officials are getting completely confused by the laws.

The fact that the goal was given by a man sitting in a VAR studio, away from the pressure inside the stadium, just makes matters a whole lot worse, especially for people, who just don't believe there is any corruption in the sport.

I have never been a fan of many referees (because most of them are very arrogant, imo) but I genuinely feel sorry for them now because I feel the game has become almost impossible to officiate. It's so fast, it's full of cheats, and a lot of the laws are still completely subjective, mainly because the sport is now so saturated on the television.

And now it has materialised that the linesman apologised to both Bayern's manager and the goalscorer.

Tuchel made it known that he can't buy anything with an apology!

Should have kept his mouth shut, Dave.