Everton 0 - 1 Fulham

Everton started the new season at home to Fulham with a quite ridiculous loss after they squandered a plethora of chances to score.

Sean Dyche was without Dwight McNeil, Seamus Coleman, and Dominic Calvert-Lewin who was not risked as his protection continues in an effort to get him fully fit for the rigours of the Premier League. 

Other missing players were Demarai Gray, who may be moving to Fulham, and Jean-Philippe Gbamin, who may be injured.

Potential debutant Arnaut Danjuma was only on the bench along with Jarrad Branthwaite as Dyche eschews any risks that youth may bring and instead decides to stick with experience in the form of the players who were largely responsible for last season's dismal record in the Premier League. 

Fulham kicked off in bright sunshine but gave it away to Maupay who fired wastefully wide.  At the other end, Fulham sliced through the Everton defence to the far post with shocking ease but Caireney volleyed the corner high over the Gwladys Street goal. 

After another scare, Everton broke quickly and Doucouré found himself in an excellent position but fired too close to Leno who stuck out his foot to save. The ref then watched the Fulham keeper blatantly pick up a backpass off a goal kick but just made them retake it rather than award an indirect free-kick to Everton. 

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Fulham were like tigers whenever they lost possession, double-teaming poor Garner, whereas Everton were far too casual to keep the ball, Patterson giving it away sloppily. Then a poor ball from Onana surrendered possession. The contrast was shocking.  

Iwobi did well to win the ball and feed Doucouré but he was too easily dispossessed, albeit for a corner that came to nothing. But Everton did break with a great crossfield pass from Onana to Iwobi who ran in on goal but shot into the defender for a corner. Gueye tried to shoot but he was blocked. Maupay shot at goal but he was flagged offside. 

Onana tried a hard pinpoint pass forward to Doucouré that bounced back off him but Maupay found Iwobi and he tried to shoot on goal but it flew wide. Fulham had the lion's share of possession and were playing the ball around like they were the home side, but they were not actually getting all that close to the Everton goal. 

Onana was floored but the referee played advantage which came to nothing for Everton. Maupay had another chance to advance with the ball but hesitated appallingly and Robinson stole the ball off him. Then Willian stood on Garner's foot and rightly saw yellow from Stewart Atwell.  The free-kick was difficult for Tarkowski to do much with at the far post.  

After a spell of Fulham pressure, Iwobi had another great probing run but it all broke down just too easily. But another great ball out to Iwobi was crossed well to Doucoure and fell to Maupay who should have scored but could only bundle it into Leno. 

Leno collected a cross but then dropped it with Tarkowski backing into him as Keane rolled the loose ball into the net but Atwell immediately disallowed it, with no from the VAR. Everton got a free-kick after Garner's shirt was pulled but his free-kick was easily defended by Fulham. 

Iwobi showed some tremendous speed and skill down the left and crossed well to Onana who shot it straight at Leno. Maupay again got a brilliant through ball played to him but could only toe-poke a poor shot straight at Leno. Gana was next to go on a decent run and lay it off to Patterson but his effort at goal was just ridiculous. 

More decent build-up play, this time down the right with Garner who fed Maupay, but he could not get any power into his shot which Leno saved with ease. The first half ended with only 1 minute of added time, and provided a painful testament to Everton's chronic inability to score from a host of chances, Maupay especially profligate. 

The second half started pretty scrappily with a string of throw-ins. Garner did very well to bring the ball out of defence and there was another nice through-ball to Maupay but up went the offside flag again. At the other end, Patterson headed behind under no real pressure. Another corner followed, Lukic shooting well wide.  

A couple of Fulham free-kicks came to nothing but on the next Fulhamm attacj Jiminez hit the post with Pickford well beaten and the rebound then fired well over.  Silva decided on a couple more changes. 

Patterson tried a shot from a distance after a corner but it was well blocked. Some nice football saw Young cross well but it evaded Patterson, the defender just getting a touch. Better forward play won another corner that finally roused the faithful. 

Garner's corner caused havoc but everyone missed it and went out for another when worked around. That was headed clear by Diop, towering above everyone. Mitrovic felt something in the melé and had to go off after just 5 minutes. But then decided perhaps he could carry on and Vinicius sat back down.

Iwobi did well to create space and shoot, forcing a parry from Leno straight to Patterson who shined it straight onto the bar with the goal gapping! A really shocking miss. 

At the other end, a threatening drive by Wilson but he shot over. Bar this rare venture, Everton kept pushing forward now, but the squandered chances were becoming a massive burden. Arnaut Danjuma replaced Neal Maupay to a good crowd response – for one or the other.

But instantly, from a good cross by Reed, Cordova-Reid scored from virtually nothing as the cross evaded Pickford. What an absolute disaster!

Everton tried to respond but Cordova-Reid came very close again with an almost identical move for the goal. The Bues tried to build painfully slowly now down the right, Graner getting fouled.

Gwladys Street screamed for a push in the area but the ball was then moved forward at pace by Fulham, winning a corner. Everton cleared it but the build-up was laboured. Eventually, Onana scooped a weak shot in for Leno to catch. Dobbin came on with 7 minutes plus to go. 

Another incredible chance came with a good cross that Dobbin headed backward and Iwobi could not convert at the far post when confronted by the unbeatable Leno. From the corner, Keane headed the ball straight to him. Danjuma then had a good drive down the left but again Leno grasped the ball. 

Fulham worked the ball to Mitrovic but his low shot was straight at Pickford. From a Fulham corner, a shot was blocked by Tarkowski's elbow but strangely no penalty given – even with the VAR review. At the other end, Doucure tried to drive through, eventually winning a corner.  Gueye tried his usual shot which missed but was slightly deflected, The corner was worked around to Tarkowski whose header flew past the far post. 

Silva was booked for something as 6 minutes of added time went up. Danjiuma was released to run on goal but he couldn't score either, and was then flagged offside. A final free-kick was headed goalward by Keane who was then flagged offside – a fitting end to a really painful exhibition. 

Everton: Pickford, Patterson, Keane, Tarkowski, Young, Gana, Onana, Doucoure, Garner (83' Dobbin), Iwobi, Maupay (72' Danjuma).

Subs not Used: Virginia, Mykolenko, Gomes, Godfrey, Branthwaite, Cannon, Onyango.

Fulham: Leno; Tete [Y:87'], Ream, Diop, Robinson; Reed, Lukic, Wilson, Cairney (58' Pereira), Willian [Y:30'] (46' De Cordova-Reid); Jimenez (58' Mitrovic).

Subs not Used: Rodak, Bassey, Mbabu, Dibley-Dias, Stansfield, Vinicius.

Attendance: 38,940



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Robert Leigh
1 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:02:52
Shame about DCL, but hope it stands us in good stead for 30-32 games
John Otway
2 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:04:58
Why Keane?? Protecting Branthwaite for United's last day bid??
Joseph Terrence
3 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:05:39
That bench makes for grim reading.
Depth is a huge worry.
Robert Thomason
4 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:05:40
Starting with ten men again.
Mark Frere
5 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:05:54
FFS! Would've at least liked to see Cannon and Branthwaite start instead of the dreadful Keane and Maupay!
Dave Williams
6 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:06:14
I'd have hoped for Branthwaite but Sean knows best!

Cannon and Dobbin in with a big chance here?

New lad understandably not in squad, though I'm surprised at Danjuma only on the bench.

Merson has us down for relegation – he really does hate us!!
Here we go!!

George Cumiskey
7 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:06:31
Maupay… unbelievable!

Is Dyche trying to get the sack?

Kevin Naylor
8 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:06:44
Fear the worst, hope for better. 12/5 Fulham looks a big price imo.
David West
9 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:08:16
Calvert-Lewin not even on the bench. Where's the goal going to come from? I don't know…
Frank Sheppard
10 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:11:23
He might surprise us all by selecting Maupay. Last chance saloon etc, and may get a performance out of him……… here’s hoping,
Billy Shears
11 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:12:49
1-0 to the Blues, but it won't be pretty like!
Alex Gray
12 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:14:36
All summer and this is the team we produce. Sacrificing matches again and you only have to look at the bench. It's an utter joke. Maupay should've been thrown out the door and replaced last January.

Any optimism is drained looking at that team.

Ian Jones
13 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:15:21
And so it begins.

The doom-mongers are already among us!

Let's get behind the team and manager.

And only one goalie on the subs bench. Plenty of youth there on that bench.

Iakovos Iasonidis
14 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:17:20
Not having 2-3 goalkeepers on the bench in a bonus I suppose...
Kevin Naylor
15 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:18:23
Hard to find optimism with that line-up but we can but hope. I can't see Dyche lasting until Xmas as a few defeats and the crowd will turn. I will be delighted to be wrong.
Karl Masters
16 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:20:03
You'd think we'd lost already reading some of the comments half-an-hour before kick-off!

KITAP1 – we knew what to expect, but I'll take 3 points any which way. Important we don't lose today and repeat last season's slow start.

Nick Page
17 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:20:53
Hope I'm wrong but can't see this being anything other than 0-2, 0-3. Same old shite, different season. Just can't catch a fucking break this club. Sad.


David Hallwood
18 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:21:22
So we start this season like the last one, with no backup for Calvert-Lewin, a situation that nearly got us relegated. Fucking unbelievable!
Raymond Fox
19 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:22:23
We are threadbare, it's a mistake to let Gray go – at least he has a goal in him.

We are again asking to be relegated, we need to be getting something from teams like Fulham who are not the best in the Premier League.

It's a hope and a prayer once more.

Joe McMahon
20 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:23:32
On no, Maupay isolated upfront, Keane in defence and Iwobi on the wing. I would have thought Young left mid and Iwobi central., Mykolenko left back. Missing a fit Mina already. Was hoping to see something of Calvert-Lewin.

New season – same old problems eh! I know, gotta keep positive, afterall we won some stuff in the 80s – why are we whinging?

Will Mabon
21 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:26:38
I've seen enough improvement in commitment, organization and endeavor since the arrival of Dyche to believe the string of awful home surrenders to poor and "ordinary" teams is over.

It may not be pretty and there may not be big scores but we will at least compete.

Sticking with my earlier 2-1.

Nick West
22 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:28:11
Maupay again. For fuck's sake. What is the point? This is supposed to be a professional football team – the entire world could see last season he's useless.

He's not up to it and we've had all summer to rectify this situation. And now they're gonna make us watch this shit all over again.

Dean Williams
23 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:30:29
Dave #6. Does Sean really know best. He had mina fit for the last 15 games of last season, he was arguably our best center half. I doubt we would have got to the last game to stay up if Sean had have taken the shocking Keane out of the team.
Alan J Thompson
24 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:31:30
He may or may not like playing "kids" but what the hell does he see in Maupay that we aren't?
Will Mabon
25 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:31:53
Nick, for my sanity, I've just parked and ignored the Maupay angle, for there is no answer.
Bill Whity
26 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:33:32
Sorry Alex @12 was meant for Ian @13
Anthony A Hughes
27 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:34:39
If it wasn't for a Doucoure thunderbolt Dyche would have taken us down. Not sure why he's lauded.

Ciarán McGlone
28 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:35:47
Dragged back to this kicking and screaming.. same old problems with the team taking to the field.

Crap forward, limited creativity and dodgy centre halves. Thank god its Fulham.

Will Mabon
29 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:37:17
Anthony, not so much lauded, but less scary than the previous couple.
Joe McMahon
30 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:37:54
Anthony, it's fine lines. Kendall MKIII would have relegated Everton had it not been for the talent and professionalism of Gianluca Vialli.
Martin Farrington
31 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:38:29
I watched a documentary about Peter Crouch's career last night. When he couldnt score for the rns. Then when he did the floodgates opened.
Perhaps Dyche has Maupay's games on a permenant loop and believes he is Crouch's mini me.
that he is showing the bloated rns (who will not leave), "This is what you've given me as back up."

As for Branthwaite, Dobbin, Cannon
we all know Dyche wont budge from picking anyone other than those he favours.
Im racking my brain here. Has he brought through any home grown players ?
Did he at Burnley ?

Anyway new season. New Hope

COYB xxxx

Kevin Naylor
32 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:39:51
No doubt about it Dyche had some luck last year but was entitled to it with the dross on display. How he got the 5-1 win at brighton should go down as the 8th wonder of the world.
Anthony Jones
33 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:44:28
Very disappointed.
Kevin Naylor
34 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:47:23
If you are Maupay where do you find the incentive to perform better. He must think 'no matter how shite I am I keep getting picked.' He will end up being Dyche's 'Rondon'.
Christy Ring
35 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:49:05
Dyche said it was unlikely DCL would be in the squad today, after playing 90min’s in the last two weeks, so it’s no surprise that he’s not in the squad. I was hoping Branthwaite would start, but he also said he’s not 100% yet either, so hopefully he’ll get a start shortly, trying to be positive!
Robert Tressell
36 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:53:34
It's a 38 game season and our key objective is to reach 45 points (or more). Finances being what they are, we don't yet have the attack in place to give Dyche real options. So it's not a daft starting line-up in the grand scheme of things, but it is disappointing.

Personally I'd like to see Dobbin and Branthwaite start - but both may get minutes as the game progresses. Cannon, too.

Fulham fans will, I am sure, be bemoaning the absence of Mitrovic, Adarabioyo, Pereira and Palhinha - and asking why conservative Silva is sticking with Ream rather than going with new signing Bassey.

Expecting a 2 nil win.

Steven Telford
37 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:53:51
Anyone got reliable stream links?
Lee Courtliff
38 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:54:34
Anyone got any decent streams, please?
Will Mabon
39 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:55:21
Injury/fitness woes at the start of the season...
Steve Shave
41 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:56:31
Incredible that DCL not even on the bench after announcing himself fit last week. It stinks of something rotten actually and a part of me is wondering if he is being sold hence the links today with Beto?

Long shot maybe but it all seems strange. Personally as much as I love DCL, his injuries are so frustrating and I would take Beto over him. He is probably the most like for like replacement of the player profiles we have been linked with. Let's see.

Maybe SD is making some sort of statement with that line up? I also wanted Brainthwaite in from the start. Still, we can do this, let's bring some positivity - COYB!!!

Will Mabon
42 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:56:35
Will Mabon
43 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:58:54
Bit wobbly so far...
Phil Sammon
44 Posted 12/08/2023 at 14:58:57
Absolutely fucking sick that Branthwaite hasn’t been picked. Let’s just piss the kid off til he signs for a bigger club.

For a club that can’t sign a fucking player to save its life, you’d have thought we might take great delight in a loanee coming back after such a successful spell. No. Let’s completely deflate everyone and go for the same tried tested and failed players.

Tony Abrahams
45 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:07:12
Maybe Dominic is in the hospital waiting for his first child to be born
Kevin Naylor
46 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:08:36
Doucoure passes to Garner and its 1-0, Jesus wept.
Will Mabon
47 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:10:03
Tony, haha! "Birthing people". Men can be pregnant.
Tim Greeley
48 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:11:37
Has to score!!!! Goooooo. And where is my Forum !?!
Mike Gaynes
49 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:13:15
Sorry I'm late. We're still in this. Dyche out. Whew, that felt good.
Peter Mills
50 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:16:50
Mike, I’m trying to follow the match from a distance. Post some comments occasionally on how we are doing, please.
Terry Downes
51 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:18:09
Phil Samson
Spot on agree with every word this is a basket case of a club.
Mike Gaynes
52 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:24:38
No problem, Pete. So far we're really doing well defensively, covering well. The passing is horrendous everywhere on the pitch -- Pickford has been our best passer by far.

Every shot has been poor, so nothing has changed.

Two terrific passes by Onana to release Duke and Alex for chances.

Thanks for the iceberg photos. Looks like a great trip.

Peter Mills
53 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:28:57
Cheers Michael.
Ian Davis
54 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:30:04
Guardiola risked De Bruyne yesterday with minimal pre-season minutes. I’m assuming Dyche is a bit more pragmatic.

Also it maintains a little more pressure on Thelwell to bring in another goal scorer.

Tim Greeley
55 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:31:16
Dreadful so far, goddamnit I cant believe how quickly we give the ball away back to them. Iwobi wasted on the left
Mike Gaynes
56 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:31:22
Everton's pressure is quite effective, albeit helped by the fact that Fulham can't pass the ball either. We're winning a lot of tackles.
Steven Telford
57 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:33:51
cant mange to see it on any steam, but 22% possession at home to Fulham . doesn't sound good
Ciarán McGlone
58 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:36:07
Put these fuckers on minimum wage.. including Sean Dyche.
James Hughes
59 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:36:50
we've scored, disallowed and no VAR review. Now that is a joke
Mike Gaynes
60 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:37:02
Great chance. Lovely cross from Iwobi, shouldered down by Duke to Maupay, denied point blank by Leno. We've scored, VAR checked, Tark ruled to have fouled Leno in the air but he definitely didn't. Huge miss by the ref, VAR can't overrule because it's not a clear and obvious mistake by the ref. But it should have stood.
Tim Greeley
61 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:38:27
ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT CALL!! Unreal, that doesn thet reviewed!?!? Ohhhhh fuck off Premier League
John Hall
62 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:43:06
What a run by Iwobi!!! That's what we need!
Mike Gaynes
63 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:43:06
Fantastic run by Iwobi up the left touchline, great long cross to Onana who unfortunately hammered his shot right at the keeper. Then a lovely passing move right through the middle but again Maupay cannot finish right in front.
Joseph Terrence
64 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:43:46
Wow... Mauypay is complete shit.
James Newcombe
65 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:44:47
No sign of Gnonto for Leeds again... Or Kamaldeen at Southampton
Mike Gaynes
66 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:45:18
It did get reviewed, Tim.
Geoff Lambert
67 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:46:19
Paying the price for not having a striker on the pitch. Watch Fulham score with their first real attempt on target.
Mike Gaynes
68 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:47:59
HT: Atwell 1, Everton 0, Fulham 0.
John Hall
69 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:48:05
Dogshit pie!
Iakovos Iasonidis
70 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:49:09
The blonde guy upfront is useless...We should be winning though. I think we had a clear goal dissalowed and 2 clear chances. Fulham had 130% possesion but nothing else.
Alex Gray
71 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:49:42
Should be 4-0. Ref robbing us of a goal and Maupay robbing us of three.

Get Danjuma down the middle and he would've buried those.

We're playing well though.

Danny James
72 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:49:54
If we could score, we would be about 4 up now!
James Hughes
73 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:50:11
Mike, I can only get radio from EFC site but they keep saying it wasn't reviewed
they have really clamped down onstreams this year
Alex Gray
74 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:50:51
Also it didn’t get reviewed as the ref blew the whistle before the goal, something that is actively frowned upon these days.
Jim Bennings
75 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:52:30
Imagine if we actually had the foresight to try and offer Lukaku a way back on loan?

Wishful thinking but I believe that kind of signing would truly propel us.

Waiting on DCL to ever be truly fit is like waiting for Lord Lucan to show up.

Gavin Johnson
76 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:52:31
Just what does Maupay need to do to score?! This lad is jinxed in an Everton shirt.

The Keane goal decision was correct btw.

Michael Kenrick
77 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:52:37
On the Keane 'goal', Tarkowski was clearly and indisputably backing into Leno, causing him to drop the ball.

No goal.

Ed Prytherch
78 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:54:55
Brighton should have payed us to take Maupay off their hands. He's a complete dud.
Mike Gaynes
79 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:55:53
On the Keane 'goal', Tarkowski was clearly and indisputably watching the ball and Leno came into HIM, causing him to drop the ball as he came down.


Tom Bowers
80 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:56:22
Looking dangerous when raiding down the left with Iwobi nothing much down the right as Garner and Patterson keeping watch on Robinson and Willian but not looking that good doing it.

Pity about that early miss by Doucoure thwarted by the keepers bootlace.

Still up for grabs but needing to score first against this bunch.

Alan J Thompson
81 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:57:00
Maupay has the right number in 13.Five minutes gone and I was thinking, is it too early for a substitution and the answer was no, not when it's Maupay. On 2 minutes and he's put through with only the keeper to beat and doesn't hit the target or force a save and then 2 minutes later Doucoure is put through and what does Maupay do, he blocks one of Doucoure's options by running into an offside position! Then he's had another couple of chances that any professional footballer should score from but not him. He also affects our open play as apart from set pieces we don't seem to want to cross into the box as it's a waste of time. Maupay offers no height, pace nor finishing ability.

And the disallowed goal should have been given as their keeper firstly collided with his own player and then Tarkowski who hadn't left the ground. Either use VAR or scrap it entirely.

Geoff Lambert
82 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:57:31
If it was the other way round Leno gets the free kick.
Phil Martin
83 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:58:32
I'm so pleased the club have learnt from all last year's lessons.
Ernie Baywood
84 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:58:36
Seemed to me that the ref blew very early... before Keane scored. No doubt in my mind that it wasn't a foul and the goal should have stood.

Based on what I'm seeing at the Women's World Cup we can expect VAR to be even worse this season. They seem to be rewriting the rulebook. I don't know what fouls, handballs and offsides are any more.

A strange half generally. We look hopeless when we have to move or keep the ball but, surprisingly, we've had all the cutting edge and created good opportunities. Unfortunately we just don't have goalscorers, which is less surprising.

Iwobi looking great.

Michael Kenrick
85 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:58:39

What happened to Pledge #1 for you referees to always protect the goalie?

Watch Tarkowski – he is clearly backing into Leno.

Jack Convery
86 Posted 12/08/2023 at 15:58:55
One chance, put away, will win this. Let us hope it's EFC.
Mike Gaynes
87 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:00:05
Alan J, you cannot blame Maupay for Duke's miss. Duke had his head down over the ball and no intention to pass. He had Garner wide open right in his sightline and chose to take the shot himself.

Maupay is well blamed for his own misses, but not others'.

Ernie Baywood
88 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:02:11
I think the momentum is all with Leno. He's the one attacking the ball. I'm not sure how Tark can be responsible for just being there.

It's been a goal for decades. Now it isn't.

But I feel like I say that kind of thing a lot lately.

Mike Gaynes
89 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:03:10
Michael, Leno needed no protection on that one. Tark wasn't moving. Leno made a horrendous mistake in trying to catch the ball instead of fisting it clear, and the ref is not in the business of bailing out the keeper for his errors. I give that goal. Gave it in a similar circumstance indoor a couple of weeks ago.
Mike Gaynes
90 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:07:09
I love statistics, but they can fool you. Fulham had 70% possession that half. No shots. We had ten shots, five on target. Totally on top.

Which means, of course, we're in big trouble.

But I still predict Maupay to score.

Anthony Jones
91 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:08:12
Danjuma needs to be playing ffs. Dyche too conservative.
Michael McFarlane
92 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:08:27
Fulham were pretty inert in that first half.

We should have been ahead with all those chances.

Maupay still couldn't finish his dinner.

This is ours for the taking though - we can beat this lot - COYB!!!

John Hall
93 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:13:16
Well will Dyche have seen enough of Maupay? Not before 70 mins I bet!
Mike Gaynes
94 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:14:22
Nothing to report, Pete. Game's gone dead for the moment. Our defense remains immaculate.
Mike Gaynes
95 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:16:08
Raul off the post. Very fortunate.
John Hall
96 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:16:16
Mitrovic coming on!
Peter Mills
97 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:18:18
Still following your every word, Mike.
John Dingle
98 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:18:32
I would like Dyche to explain why he selected Maupay and Keane, who are proven shite, ahead of Dobbin or Branthwaite who aren’t.
Mike Gaynes
99 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:20:40
Oh no. Iwobi just pulled a groin muscle.
Alan McGuffog
100 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:21:56
Love Maupay he takes me back fifty years. A composite of Joe Harper and Rod Belfit
Nick West
101 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:22:39
If Maupay was in yer sunday league team you'd sub him every game...or just not tell him where there next game was.
Mike Gaynes
102 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:22:44
Mitrovic rolled his ankle. He's off two minutes after coming on.
Rob Williamson
103 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:23:58
Could anyone at the match who’s following this thread, please remind Dyche that he IS allowed to make substitutions.
John Hall
104 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:24:04
Is Iwobi coming off to protect him from groin strain?
Mike Gaynes
105 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:25:05
John D, Keane has been flawless and scored the goal that was chalked off. Not sure how you can slate Dyche for that one.
John Hall
106 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:25:41
Dyche will make his subs in the 101st minute and not before
Mike Gaynes
107 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:27:03
Crossbar, dammit. Great shot Iwobi, fine save Leno, Patterson rebound hammers the crossbar. What a chance.
Steven Telford
108 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:28:02
Yeah, changing things is not generally in Dyche's playbook.
Alex Gray
109 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:28:53
Christ it’s just pathetic. We need someone who can score.
Steven Telford
110 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:31:04
I wonder will we be eligible for breaking a record, if we stay up for 3 seasons with no dedicated striker.

Calvert-Lewin still rebooting after his factory reset.

Mike Gaynes
111 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:31:12
Danjuma on for Maupay at last.
Mike Gaynes
112 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:31:45
John Hall
113 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:32:23
Wow! 70 mins! I was right!
John Hall
114 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:32:45
Oh crap!
Pete Hughes
115 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:33:09
Ffs, normal service been resumed!
James Newcombe
116 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:33:16
FFS here we go.
James Hughes
117 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:33:26
For fuck's sake… we have been all over them.
Mike Gaynes
118 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:33:28
Perreira left alone for a tap-in. Garner inattention, was left 30 yards behind.
Alex Gray
119 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:34:03
Same old shit. Should've been 4-5 up and out of sight but not bringing anyone in and banking on Calvert-Lewin backfires again.
Steven Telford
120 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:34:33
Dàjé Vu. here we go again, from being dissatisfied with a point to praying for one.
Joseph Terrence
121 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:35:45
How nice would it be if we had literally anyone that could finish.
Mike Gaynes
122 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:36:05
Sorry, De Cordova-Reid, not Pereira. First shot on target. Garner has had a fine game, but that was a huge moment of inattention to the overlap.
Mike Gaynes
123 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:37:24
Similar play, same mistake, Garner not tracking De Cordova-Reid to the back post, this time he missed.
Bobby Mallon
124 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:37:32
Fucking typical
John Hall
125 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:38:42
Any more subs Sean? Not bloody likely!
Peter Mills
126 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:41:08
And Silva now pays more attention to defence than when he was with us.
Mike Gaynes
127 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:42:15
Garner off, Dobbin on.
John Hall
128 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:43:29
Dobbin on! I'll go to the foot of my stairs!
Mike Gaynes
129 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:43:48
Great cross Young, Iwobi stopped at the back post by Leno.
Bobby Mallon
130 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:44:19
Too late, I'm afraid.
Mike Gaynes
131 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:44:22
Keane header off the corner kick easily fielded by Leno.
John Hall
132 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:45:34
We are so much better with Danjuma and Dobbin.
Anthony Jones
133 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:45:46
It's just a crap way to start a new season. We needed to not lose after staying up at the last minute.

Maupay is so bad at getting goals that I would rather have seen Demarai Gray at centre-forward. Bid or no bid, he is an Everton player and we didn't play our strongest team today.

Kate Forbes
134 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:48:54
Ellis Simms is a Championship-calibre striker and we miss him badly.
Ciarán McGlone
135 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:49:17
Not a chance I'm putting myself through another season of this steaming dog shit. Life's too short.


Mike Gaynes
136 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:49:30
Huge miss by Tark at the back post... diving header off perfect Onana cross.
Alex Gray
137 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:53:17
Huge miss from Danjuma. He's going to fit right in!
Mike Gaynes
138 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:53:31
Danjuma in alone, ruled offside but missed badly anyway. Great speed but totally unprepared for the opportunity.

2:00 stoppage left.

Stefan Busby
139 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:55:04




Mike Gaynes
140 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:56:09
George Cumiskey
141 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:56:20
Shocking shocking shocking management – first picking Maupay, then keeping him on so long.

Dyche won't last till Christmas with decisions like that.

Jim Bennings
142 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:56:33
Not just one Stefan.

I'd argue at least two experienced striker's are imperative.

Johan Elmgren
143 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:56:35
You reap what you sow. If you start Maupay, you won't get any goals.

Three points lost. This one's on Dyche.

Kunal Desai
144 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:58:11
Groundhog Day. Different season same shit.

All a bit boring really.

Ernie Baywood
145 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:58:42
Well, that was entirely predictable.

Can't score goals... always going to be a problem.

I do think we were robbed, but if Michael Keane is your biggest threat (and he absolutely is) then you don't really deserve anything.

Buckle up.

Jim Bennings
146 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:58:43
When you know that you couldn't score goals last season and don't have a reliable striker but you start the new season without rectifying that, you get what you deserve.

Sit and wait on a man who will never play 10 games on the spin in Calvert-Lewin then you are asking for relegation this season.

Danny Baily
147 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:58:52
Another long slog to 7 or 8 wins awaits.
Andy Walker
148 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:59:06
Will we reach 30 points?
Ian McDowell
149 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:59:24
Pathetic, truly pathetic.
Bob Hannigan
150 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:59:47
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AjNE2N0SDzs&pp=ygUeZ3JvdW5kaG9nIGRheSBjbGlwIGFsYXJtIGNsb2Nr 😡. “Groundhog Day
Andy Walker
151 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:59:49
When will we score a goal?
Fran Mitchell
152 Posted 12/08/2023 at 16:59:53
Criminal. another start of the season in the bin because the custodians running this club are failing to do the bare minimum.
Neil Lawson
153 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:00:14
Whatever positives there maybe (if any) how on earth do we start with a midget "striker" who could not hit a barn door at 5 feet and the leave him on so long?

Dyche needs to step up and explain in acceptable words of one syllable why Calvert-Lewin could not even be on the bench and why he keeps picking a player who has scored one goal in a year.

Peter Mills
154 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:00:18
Thanks for your efforts, Mike. As the game finished, a whale passed the boat!
Ernie Baywood
155 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:00:23
I've enjoyed the break. All a bit disappointing to see us back.
Kieran Kinsella
156 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:00:36
Can't fault Dyche or the players because we signed a whole squad of people who are incapable of scoring goals.

The improvement is that Sean has taught them how to create chances which is more than Frank did. But if you waste double digits of scoring opportunities, then you're going to lose. And none of these players have a better than 1 in 10 success rate when shooting.

That apart. Garner needs to improve his crossing; he hits the first man too often when he could get the ball in to one of our profligate finishers.

The effort was there tactically; I think Sean did the best with our available players but, if you can't score, you're going to struggle.

ps: Kenwright out, Moshiri out!

Stefan Busby
157 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:00:38
Jim - Agreed.

The amount of chances today takes the piss that the ball is not in the back of their net.

I thought we played very well but, if this forward line issue is not addressed, we are fucked.

Alan J Thompson
158 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:00:56
Well, that was 3 points thrown away and I put the blame squarely on Dyche.

Firstly for playing Maupay and I don't know what he said at halftime but it must have been just go out and we'll beat these because we certainly didn't put enough effort into that second half.

Oh, now that it's two seasons, any news of us getting a fit striker worthy of the name?

Andy Walker
160 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:01:29
Dinasour Dyche out of his depth.

The long ball game is history.

Playing Maupay is inexcusable.

Steve Brown
161 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:01:29
19 shots, 9 on target and zero goals.

Sign a bloody forward, the the love of god.

John Hall
162 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:01:33
Already playing catch up from the very first game. It's going to be a long, hard season!
Jim Bennings
163 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:01:52
When you know that you couldn't score goals last season and don't have a reliable strike,r but you start the new season without rectifying that, you get what you deserve.

Sit and wait on a man who will never play 10 games on the spin in Calvert-Lewin, then you are asking for relegation this season.

Tim Greeley
164 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:02:07
Welcum back boyyysss!!!

Goddamnit we actually stuck it to them and – to me – were far the better team. Holy Shit, really. We could've had 4-5 goals any other day and with Calvert-Lewin in there.

Oh, not to mention, Atwell the tiny cunt stole that fucking goal! And off the bar, and what the hell was Doucouré doing for his first chance!? I'm frustrated! 🤬😆😎🙃🍄🍻🤮💦🇨🇦

Chris Gould
165 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:03:07
Dyche is well aware of Maupay's limitations, but he had zero options. Calvert-Lewin is obviously not fit, Danjuma not fully fit... putting on one of the kids is not the answer.

Doucoure should've passed to Garner for an easy goal, the ref should never have penalised Tarkowski for Keane's goal.

Not getting capable and ready strikers before this game is criminal, but not on Dyche.

Three points thrown away. A robbery by Fulham.

Kieran Kinsella
166 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:03:16

The “I blame Dyche” thing doesn't wash with me simply because I've been hearing it about managers for 10 years. One failed custodian being the manager who beat us today.

Iakovos Iasonidis
167 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:04:10
Well, imcompetence is the right world. If we had a striker it was a sure win. 3 points lost here. I miss Lukaku so much! Fuck it we are so useless up front I miss Jelavic!
Sam Fitzsimmons
168 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:04:46
When your main goal threats in the opening game of the season is your two centre backs, it already feels like a a long hard depressing slog to the end of the season.
Steve Brown
169 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:05:27
Patterson is far off from being ready at right back.
Jim Bennings
170 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:06:13
"DCL not fully fit"

If ever four words hacked me off more, I'm sick of hearing them this last two years.

Stefan Busby
171 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:06:26
Just start Cannon and Dobbs. MauPAY didnt do to badly 'graft' wise but you cannot continue to play him as frankly he's fkin shite as said above.

I just don't get it with this club. The massively glaring error of an out and out striker baffles me.

Get the fkin Yak back!!!!

John Charles
173 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:07:13
Just in people’s club bar wondering how we didn’t win that.
Maupay played well except for not scoring.
We were better with him on.
But neither did doucore or danjuma
Or any one else
Patterson is a liability
Tarks can’t pass it five yards
Regardless of anything we have turned into a hit and hope team.
Mike Doyle
174 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:07:26
Do any of the TW statisticians know if Maupay’s 1 goal in God knows how many games makes him the worst forward we have ever had?
Andrew Clare
175 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:09:39
It's unbelievable that we still haven't bought a proven goal scorer.
Escaped relegation by the skin of our teeth two years running because we couldn't score goals and yet we still haven't got
a proven striker in place for the first game of the new season!
Millions of pounds at stake if we are relegated.
Buy a bloody striker.

Neil Tyrrell
177 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:10:00
When we're signing players does the medical include "must be allergic to scoring"?
Jamie Crowley
178 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:10:31
Tim Greeley @164 -

Exactly. We played well, had a perfectly good goal chalked off, and we just...didn't...finish.

Maupay can not play again for Everton. That sounds harsh but it's true. Bless him he runs his socks off, but he's simply not good enough. He's had ample, ample time to prove his worth and actually fucking score. He's done the sum of nothing. Everton can't continue with a non-existent striker.

Maupay must be replaced. And it doesn't matter by who - Cheti Cheti Bang Bang, Danjuma, Dobbin, whomever. Any of them statistically will be more productive than Maupay.

We look a decent side, but we are impotent. Dyche must recognize this and replace Maupay.

Steve Brown
179 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:10:38
How can DCL be fit enough to play 45 minutes against Sporting Lisbon, but not fit enough to be on the bench a week later?
Alex Gray
181 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:11:01
Mike we don't need stats. He is. He serves no point. I don't care if "he got in good positions" or if " he looks sharper than last year" the lad is utter shite. He's an embarrassment to the game.
Kieran Kinsella
182 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:12:00

Commentator said he didn’t play as his kid was born overnight

Robert Tressell
183 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:12:07
We absolutely battered them first half and should have been about 3 nil up going into the break. Radio commentators described it as a masterclass in counter-attacking football. Pretty obvious what the issue is but no solution right now.

The Fulham winner should have been their consolation in a heavy defeat.

Hopefully Dobbin starts the next game along with either DCL or Chermiti. Danjuma doesn't look fit.

Michael McFarlane
184 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:12:20
You can't blame Dyche for premiership players he inherited not being able to convert easy chances. It's a different game if Maupay, Doucoure and Patterson score their simple chances.

Dyche can however stop picking Maupay, who is useless, and pick Cannon who is an instinctive goalscorer.

Danjume will not score the goals we need. We better sign a proven striker or we are in the dogfight again.

Clive Rogers
185 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:12:48
All of our 5 midfielders are very similar in that none of them are game changers, not creative, can’t shoot and never score a goal.
Pat Kelly
186 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:13:15
If Maupay isn’t replaced, Dyche should be.
Jamie Crowley
187 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:13:45
Why are ppl commenting on the game in the thread and not using the Live Forum?

Honest question.

Joe McMahon
188 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:13:54
Jim, fear not on this very site someone stated DCL is England's hottest striker and will take on Kane.

What worries me is the Everton history of not scoring. Thats bigger than the 60s and 80s people are obsessed about.

The other thing that worries me is out current manager was sacked by Burnley. Let that sink in.

Steve Brown
189 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:14:19
Thanks Kieran, I couldn’t figure why he was missing.
Jamie Crowley
190 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:15:52
Michael @ 184 -

Dyche really didn't have any option to not start Maupay today.

But next week will be very telling. He has to either go with Dobbin, or get Danjuma or Chermiti up to fitness quickly.

If he starts Maupay next week, then throw rotten fruit at him.

Alex Gray
191 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:16:01
At this point I agree with Pat. If Dyche starts the french umpa lumpa he deserves his fate.
Phil Friedman
192 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:16:35
On today’s (brief) evidence, Danjuma isn’t the answer we’re looking for either.
Ajay Gopal
193 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:17:33
Smash and grab by Fulham. Very disappointing result, but not the performance. We had much the better chances, and a stupid refereeing decision to disallow the goal. Poor Maupay, he must be wondering what he has to do to put the ball in the net. But he led the line excellently and one feels that he just needs one goal to get him going. But it wasn’t only him, bad misses by Doucoure and Patterson and some exceptional goalkeeping by Leno kept Fulham in the game. It was a poor goal to give away.


Pickford - largely untroubled and he was almost playing like a sweeper most of the game.

Keane - he was out of position for their goal, but his distribution was spot on. And his ‘goal’ really should have stood. Real bad decision by the referee to blow his whistle instead of letting VAR decide.

Tarkowski - he was terrific and was involved in a lot of goal mouth action, should have scored with his header

Young - he looked solid but I thought he had a quiet game

Patterson- he was getting skinned early on in the game, but he and Garner then struck up a good partnership I thought and pegged back the excellent Robinson.

Garner - he is a genuinely exciting footballer and we are very lucky to have him at Everton

Onana - he will become a top midfielder, no doubt about it.

Iwobi - terrific performance, created a lot of chances, but he should be putting away some chances himself

Doucoure - what a terrific athlete he is. His constant running put Fulham under pressure

Gana - I didn’t notice him much

Maupay - one has to feel sorry for him, he is trying so hard, but it is just not happening for him at Everton.

Dobbin - he looked lively when he came on and nearly got an assist I think?

Danjuma - even though he was later flagged offside, he should have put away his one on one.

All in all, very disappointing, but if we can just get Calvert Lewis and maybe Dele Alli fit, and bring in 1-2 reinforcements, I actually think we should do okay, (And no, I have not been smoking or drinking)

John Charles
194 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:18:34
Thank god we went back in for danjuma!
He makes Maupay look good.
Phil Friedman
195 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:18:45
Exactly, Clive @185. Another obvious need, unfilled. I’m just short of giving up.
Will Mabon
198 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:21:44
Jamie @ 187:

Because the LF is not a safe space.

Kevin Edward
199 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:22:52
Massively disappointing, but not entirely unexpected.
I remind myself that these are professional footballers earning tens of thousands of pounds a week, but on this occasion unable to find the back of the net with a football. I would recommend some finishing practice during training.
So it heaps the pressure on, 5 games in I’ll set my expectations for the rest of the season,
but now I’m more concerned, and much less excited.
The Manager has been badly undone, so what’s he going to do about it?
Joseph Walsh
200 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:23:17
It’s absolute corporate criminal negligence that we started today with Maupay and didn’t sign a striker

We’ve known for two seasons now and four transfer windows.

Every time I see that clip “we will sign a striker” I could scream!

We all know we have depleted our already under par squad for the past three seasons and not got bodies in. AND STILL!!! Regardless of P&S/FFP it is not acceptable - where is the planning and strategy?!! Work within our means - sign free players/journeymen/cadavers any - bloody- player is better than Maupay !!

What did the useless duo in charge expect? (I can’t even say their name anymore). It’s absolute insanity - Those two make Gerald Ratner look like Steve Jobs! They are running our club into the ground.

I’m actually staggered we didn’t sign a forward in time for today - it was so blatantly obvious what we needed. We literally forfeited points starting Maupay. This waiting until the end of the window to sign anybody is a suicidal strategy which soft lad (our master negotiator) has mastered over the years when we can ill afford dropping points.

Was Dyche trying to prove a point too? Well that’s shocking also as Maupay and Keane shouldn’t be anywhere near that starting 11.

Yes it’s one game but whose sick and tired of trawling social media looking for a glimpse of a rumour we will sign anybody? Who predicted that starting line up we could have played until the flood lights came on and still never scored.

We we unlucky? Yes.
Were there some positives? Yes
Were there improvements? Yes

But before I’m criticised from people saying it’s only the first game in. I’m raging because the result and outcome was so bloody predictable because we knew we needed a striker today. Had we done that we would have only needed another 37 points to safety! That’s down to Waldorf and Statler!

It’s absolutely bloody draining supporting this club.

John Charles
201 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:25:17
Andy @160
Absolutely right
We are the only team in the league playing hoofball
Will Mabon
202 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:26:05

simple - goalscorer needed.

This said, we also have a midfield that are almost always unable to chip in.

Alex Gray
203 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:26:09
Ajay it's hard to feel sorry for Maupay when he's picking up 50 grand plus a week for being utterly incompetent.

We played well. 20 chances created shows that. Maupay let every single person in that stadium down.

Alex Gray
204 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:26:09
Ajay it's hard to feel sorry for Maupay when he's picking up 50 grand plus a week for being utterly incompetent.

We played well. 20 chances created shows that. Maupay let every single person in that stadium down.

Alan J Thompson
205 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:26:22
Mike(#87); I didn't blame Maupay for Doucoure's miss I just stated that he ran into an offside position on Doucoure's left so he took that option out which meant Doucoure could only go to his right. Perhaps it helps if you realize they are on the same side and both should have turned it into a dead set certainty.
Tom Bowers
206 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:26:54
Complete gift of three points to a nothing team which highlights the biggest problem which was not addressed as we all know.

What next you may ask ?

Maupay tried hard but just cannot score and probably never will when it matters.

That early chance and then Doucoure a few minutes later probably set the tone and let Fulham off the hook.

Why do we play games at Goodison anyway, we won't win many if we can't beat average Fulham.

Kevin Molloy
208 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:27:26
spending so much money on a kid when the need for a decent player right now is so obvious could be the thing that sinks Dyche. We've so little money, where are we going to find the extra wonga for a jobbing centre forward when we've just spent £12m on a kid? and him starting Keane again ahead of the player everyone was raving about, I just don't get it.
Bobby Mallon
209 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:29:43
Not surprising todays result. If you don’t buy a striker we have needed for 3 seasons then we won’t score goals. Our problem is our midfield can’t score goals either
Ralph Basnett
210 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:29:54
What can you expect if you start Maupay and Keane.

Maupay couldn’t not hit a cows arse with a shovel and Keane is the cows arse.

Dyche got exactly what he deserved today - fuck all, cheers Sean.

Denis Richardson
211 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:30:08
Start without a striker and can’t complain if you don’t score. Don’t score you don’t win and it’s very difficult to defend for 90 mins.
Until we have a regular striker there’s no point in even hoping.

Please just cancel Maupays contract and let him go. At least that way Dyche can’t be tempted to play him.

Beggars belief how many times this club has played without a recognised striker over the years, going right back to Moyes’ days.

I just don’t understand why this club has an allergy to strikers. We should have at least 3 senior strikers on the books. Not one who spends more than half the time in the treatment room. We’ve needed another striker for the best part of 3 years now. Just ridiculous when you think about it.

Ben King
212 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:31:25
Typical crap result

And completely unsurprising without a proper striker

What a usual complete sh1tshow. As usual

Christy Ring
213 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:36:47
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know a striker was our no.1 priority, absolute shambles. We can't score from midfield, and how Patterson didn't put his foot through the ball, and the keeper stranded.
Ray Jacques
214 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:36:58
No striker the problem. What a surprise, none of us saw that as an issue. DCL will be fit soon and everything will be fine.
What a rancid club, suck the life out of you.

Congrats to local team Leigh Leopards. They gave me more pride and joy today than the blood sucking leeches that run the sinking ship that is EFC have given in ten years.

Mike Hayes
215 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:37:08
Maupay couldn’t find the goal if he stood under the crossbar - feel sorry for the fans that had to endure the usual frustration - lots of for and against Dyche on here before season start but he’s proven to be a failure today any more of Maupay and he’ll have to give his £3.5m back and apologise - not looking forward to the season after today was more optimistic until I saw the line up 🤷
Dean Williams
216 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:37:15
I hope we go down and moshiri and kenshite get all the shit they deserve. We need to start again.. I'm so sick of this club, absolute disgrace. Wankers the lot of them.
Alan J Thompson
217 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:38:57
Keiran(#166); So who picks the team then and how much of Maupay does he have to watch to know he's not good enough? And you think that Fulham today under Silva looked good for all their possession? I'll pause for a minute while you tell us who other than Ancelotti did well out of all that lot over 10 years.
Mike Hayes
218 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:41:40
Dean - get the anger and frustration at those clowns but no to relegation to teach them a lesson is no good I hate them with a passion but don’t want championship we would struggle 🤷
Robert Tressell
219 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:43:56
Crap result, but we remain on course to finish about 13th with about 45 points.
Bobby Mallon
220 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:44:02
Can someone please please tell me this proven striker we need to get to score goals? I am at a loss as to who it may be, because we are skint snd good strikers, there are none that I can see.
Pat Kelly
221 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:44:17
A raw 19 year old, a free 30 year old, a loan of someone who didn’t want to sign for us originally. Did we really expect anything to change ? Gnonto isn't desperate to get away from Leeds to join us. There ain’t no striker coming in either.
Dale Self
222 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:44:41
This was our one chance to escape a relegation dogfight at the bottom of the table. And we blew it. We knew we were playing Fulham first. We should have just bought a striker for that game and then we wouldn’t be here I tried to use the inclusive plural as much as possible to let you all, us all, know how dire this situation is

Nick Page
223 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:45:07
Fuck off Kenwright
Ray Jacques
224 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:47:55
Bobby, they've had 3 years to sign forwards. Haven't even tried. There's no plan, no forethought, no strategy.
They've bought players and spent money but not on what is needed.
John Hall
225 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:48:52
Shouldn't it be 'Criminal incompetence'? Sorry for being a pedant.
Hugh Jenkins
226 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:50:32
Ajay (193) - on the point about the ref not blowing his whistle and letting VAR decide - the whoel point of VAR (supposedly) was to over rule "clear and obvious errors" if the ref had made a bad call (or no call when he should have).

Consequently, if the goal was "good" (I haven't seen it) VAR should have intervened - even though the ref had blown his whistle - so, we can only assume that the VAR ref's view agreed with the ref on the filed - rightly or wrongly.

Sean Mitchell
227 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:50:54
The Everton curse continues.
Or is it abysmal and diabolical recruitment?
Season starts and Everton still without a striker since Lukaku left in 2017.
Everton, that.
Kunal Desai
228 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:52:11
Club is only looking at loans and frees according to Thewell.

Unless its a sell to buy, we aint bringing anyone of note.

Kieran Kinsella
229 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:52:24

None of them did well that’s my point yet they’ve done OK or better elsewhere. The chopping and changing of managers every year coupled with meddling owners, chairmen and agents means each one has inherited an imbalanced squad of misfits which has contributed to their various failings. Dyche known for using a target man has a dwarf, a permanently injured player and a couple of kids to choose from for what is a critical position. Why? Because we spent our last few quid paying off Frank and the board. Carlo had a half decent team undone by mentally weak defenders he inherited. Koeman had three expensive number 10s but saw us sell and not replace our striker. If we replace Dyche, who is capable of getting more from this team that was weak when he arrived and has been further weakened since?

Mike Hayes
230 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:55:57
Like in January club has not brought in a striker as they are relying on DCL being fit and finding his Ancelotti scoring time - get one in and make him work for his place - no one should be automatic choice 🤷
Matt Traynor
231 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:56:18
Hugh #226, the problem with VAR is that it gets involved in things that are far from "clear and obvious" which is why a) PGMOL have had to apologise / sack VAR heads etc and b) fans outside of the favoured few really don't trust it.
Sean O’Hanlon
232 Posted 12/08/2023 at 17:56:30
Boringly predictable. Mike, yes, criminal incompetence.

But I think you're wrong when you say Dyche takes no risks. By playing Maupay, he is effectively playing with 10 men, and no strikers. 2 major risks.

Paul Ferry
233 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:00:47
That's not exactly what he said Kunal, although he did talk about 'constraints'.
Colin Davidson
234 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:02:24
Never want to see Maupay or Keane in a blue shirt ever again. Rather have Branthwaite & Cannon/Dobbin if we can’t afford to sign anyone. Dele must be better bet for up front too if he can get himself fit!
Paul Tran
235 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:02:49
When my team loses a game where it restricts the opposition to two chances, when it scores a good goal that's disallowed, when it creates loads of chances that are missed, I'm annoyed, but seeing some good in the performance.

When my club spends seven years spending money like a drunken sailor, in that time buying only one player who scores goals, then sells him without replacing him, I'm mightily pissed off.

That's why we lost, why we continue to struggle. That team needs a focal point up front and players who know where the goal is. We need two strikers and another club for Maupay.

Sean Roe
236 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:02:49
Only one game in and the long hard slog to beat the drop starts already.
Still, I'm sure we'll sign another defender or defensive midfielder before the window shuts...
Paul Ferry
237 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:04:03
What on earth does this mean from the mouth of Dyche: "We’ve adapted to what we are and we showed that today"?

Lev Vellene
238 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:04:24
What actually has me seething is not the result, but that SD is yet again using Maupay for 80 minutes before throwing on a youngster who'll have little chance to get into the game before the final whistle. The incurable optimist very, very deep inside me hopes that will be to prove to himself that he should get rid before DL-day. My logic says that SD is unable to understand that while you CAN actually teach an old dog new tricks, football players are NOT previously untaught dogs! Based on last year's performances, none of the youngsters available at top would have done worse than Maupay when it came to actually finding the net, but EACH of them is still young enough to actually learn from making mistakes or finding the wrong positions to be in!

Whenever Maupay was in a position to get a foot to the ball, he was almost always too close to the 'keeper, and he couldn't, or wouldn't, reach the ball in a way that would let him hit it with force, instead of weakly toeing it directly into the 'keeper's reach each time.

Mick O'Malley
239 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:04:30
Ray @ 214 agree about Leigh Leopards, an incredible achievement after getting promoted and they are still in a strong position for playoffs, Bitterly disappointed about today, we had enough chances to win the game, piss poor finishing
Kim Vivian
241 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:06:03
Just reading - and apologies if anyone's already mentioned this above...

"Everton's 2.93xG is more than any side created in a PL game during the whole of last season without scoring."

Fucking incredulous I am.

Well maybe not...!

Alan J Thompson
242 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:08:31
Keiran(#225); Then Dyche has to think outside the box rather than play someone who is obviously not good enough all the time not just now and then. Or are you of the opinion that he is just another overpaid non-entity? Last season he got a 3.5M bonus just for doing that for which he was hired. On today's game, we should have won comfortably but rather than put somebody in who might score he played somebody who we all knew wouldn't which is obvious if you have seen him play or even just look at his record, one goal in a year! It was even being said on here before the game started.
Lev Vellene
243 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:11:04
Kim #241, which says everything about the player(s) we have available, sorry scratch that, actually chosen to take up space and failing to turn that potential into actual goals...
Kunal Desai
244 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:14:40
Don't see us spending big money Paul. Gnonto will come in from the sale of Gray perhaps. Anything else will most likely be loans/frees. The club finances are dire.
Michael Kenrick
245 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:15:08
Thanks, John at 225,

That was my inadvertent contribution to today's 'imcompetence'.

Kevin Prytherch
246 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:16:12
Hugh 226.

VAR couldn’t intervene because the goal was never scored - as the ref had already blown his whistle before the ball had gone in the net.

That’s why offside calls are left until the passage of play has ended, because once the ref blows - nothing else matters afterwards - the ball is dead.

If the ref had of waited for a few seconds until the ball was in the back of the net - then VAR could have taken a look. Because he blew - VAR had nothing to look at.

It was poor refereeing.

Mike Gaynes
247 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:16:16
I'm kind of amazed that nobody mentions the player most responsible for losing this game -- Garner.

Yeah, the finishing sucked, and Maupay is awful, and Duke should have scored, and Patterson should have hit the empty net, and that's all true.

But this was an immaculate defensive effort UNTIL Garner blew off his responsibility to track the opposing winger. And he did it TWICE.

Patterson has every right to expect that when he has to track a runner angling to the middle, his midfielder will drop in behind him and keep the back door closed. And Garner didn't. He simply let Decordova-Reid run free and alone to the back post. For the goal and again a couple minutes later for the cross he missed, or it would have been 0-2.

Garner otherwise had a fine game but that lapse of awareness/effort is what cost us a point today.

Soren Moyer
248 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:17:58
After spending £650 million under Moshiri / Kenwright combo, we have become Burnley MK II with no strikers!!!
Lev Vellene
249 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:18:24
Alan #242, everyone has a blind spot, even you, me and Sean Dyche. I do not quibble with his tactics, they were very good! But playing the multiply-proven utterly ineffective Maupay once again??? If SD and Thelwell are really on the same page, then SD should use the as yet unproven youngsters, as that can only improve them with each success or failure. Maupay will stay ineffective above the Championship level no matter how many games he play...
Phil Smith
250 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:19:31
Totally called that today after seeing those first half chances going begging. Everyone blaming Maupay but, for me, he played pretty good today. Got into good positions and could/should have scored at least one. Leno made smart saves and was quick off his line.

I blame greedy Duke and, more so, Patterson for A) missing pretty much an open net and B) being caught completely out of position for their goal, which was, pretty much, their only real chance (apart from that miss hit shot from Jiminez).

If we sell Gray and don't buy someone else who can get us 10 league goals a season, then strap yourselves in, folks. Gonna be a long, bumpy ride. Expect the same outcome next week.

Terry Downes
251 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:20:14
How shit must Cannon be ? If I was him i’d be thinking if this prick thinks Maupay is better than me then fk this i’m off ? Probably the same as Branthwaite thinks about Keane, how come a guy can play in a decent champions league outfit but can’t get into our team ?
If we piss the young ones off enough then Dyche won’t have to make that call because they’ll be gone.
Martin Farrington
252 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:21:21
I was so sad to see such a great performance (in comparison to previous seasons) go unrewarded.

A perfectly fair goal criminally stolen by a clearly biased official who is dreadful on a good day.

Lev @ 238 and all others pointing out Dyche's dithering. YOU ARE ALL SPOT ON.
I used to get exasperated with Dilly Dally David Moyes. We always went behind before he saw what everyone in the ground and rest of the watching world could see.

Now we have Dilly Dally Dyche.
Halftime Maupay should have been hooked.
As good as Garner is likely to be he was at fault in the first half allowing fulhams flank players in unmarked and sadly is culpable for failure to track back for the goal.

DcL looked a different class v Sporting.
Play him.
If he is gonna get crocked get crocked now with an OPEN WINDOW.

Putting in great performances with a score of chances will soon evaporate along with confidence if goals aren't scored and losses arise.

3 seasons. 5 windows. 0 goalscorers

Paul Ferry
253 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:22:23
Agree Kunal, I think Gnonto will come to us and given the last twelve months and longer there is little reason to think that the money we get from selling players will be reinvested in the playing side (the absent Moshiri and Kenwright are criminally liable here).

And then we have to try to understand this gormless pile of bewildering shite from our solid and stubborn gaffer: "we’ve adapted to what we are and we showed that today".

We all appreciate Dyche's efforts last season, but that faith or thanks will soon evaporate if he continues to use Keane and Maupay - "goals will come his way", Dyche said a few minutes ago, like fecking when you footy genius?

"You get into areas and you think go on". Yeah, you do Dyche, and what happened next?

Can someone have a word with Onana, please, how often does he go missing and someone so tall should be getting on the end of multiple chances.

Neil Lawson
254 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:22:33
1 game. Bottom of the League.
Michael Boardman
255 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:23:27
We are basically the Coventry of the '80s and '90s – pointless and just staying up.

This match summed everything up since Lukaku left, and showed that we have swapped Silva for Dyche, and that will work well.

Thank the Lord that Luton, Sheff Utd and Bournemouth are in this league.

Well done, Everton, another season of being okay, flairs, and useless, non-committal members of the board.

Hope you're sleeping well on your sweet pile of money, Sharp and Barrett-Baxendale…

Bobby Mallon
256 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:23:40
Ray 224.

I understand that we have bought a striker in 3 years. People keep saying this window we need to get someone who can score goals (and I agree) but who is out theret hat can score us goals?

And we with nothing to spend unless we sell Branthwaite, who would get us the most money, showing on our books. I'm looking but don't see anyone.

Paul Ferry
257 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:23:58
Spot on, Mike Gaynes, on Garner and their goal: I said that on the forum, shaking my head, watching him huffing and puffing ten fecking yards before their lad who was in acres of space.
Les Callan
258 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:25:27
Away @193.

How on earth can you say Onana will be great one day? Apart from a couple of good passes early on, he was anonymous, particularly in the second half. At one point with about 5 mins to go, he wasn't even watching the play.

Mike Doyle
259 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:26:07
Ajay #193, “Poor Maupay” – are you kidding???

This guy has to be one of the worst forwards this club has ever signed (and I'm just old enough to remember Joe Harper and Rod Belfit).

Without Mina and McNeil, today's team was weaker than the one that finished last season. Yes, they tried hard. Yes, they look fitter. But the lack of composure in front of goal remains intact.

The return of Coleman and McNeil would help but, on today's evidence we will again be looking for 3 teams worse than us in order to stay up.

I can see us resigning the seemingly unwanted Tom Davies before the window closes.

Mick Davies
260 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:28:48
Are you off your head??? Garner was our best player today, and he wasn't playing right back.

If anyone's responsible it's Patterson, and also Dyche for picking Keane, who was as much to blame as anyone; ball watching as their player hit the post, and standing 5 yards too far forward for the guy who crossed for their goal.

Patterson was having to run across to cover him.

Mick Davies
261 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:30:50
Also, Dyche in his presser never mentioned Calvert-Lewin and paternity leave; he said he is still not fit!!!
Kieran Kinsella
262 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:32:31
Alan @242,

I think his plan is to get goals from throughout the team. Think back to Brighton: we converted five arguably more difficult chances, faced many more shots too but won 5-1. The difference was execution.

That being said, obviously Maupay isn't good enough but I think he's using him for his running and all around play versus Cannon who can finish but doesn't contribute much else at this stage. And may not get into the positions Maupay does.

Or Dobbin who's fast and scores the odd great goal but didn't exactly blow away defenses two levels below last season.

Tony Everan
263 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:34:00
Last season, a journeyman striker would have seen us about 10 points better off, at least. Not be being by any means prolific, just putting the odd chance away when we were in the ascendancy.

I was very disappointed not to see Tom Cannon given an opportunity today, the boy can finish .

New season, same problem. 19 days to sort it out.

Kieran Kinsella
264 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:34:30

Maybe Dyche thought he'd get stick for missing the game for that reason?

Colin Glassar
265 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:36:26
No further comments are needed. This is an abandoned ship heading towards the rocks while the ships owner and captain are blind drunk in the galley.
Andy Crooks
266 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:37:34
We'll be okay, there are worse teams and we really should have won. However, one must not lose game ticked off as a loss. I worry about what that will have done to confidence, because unlucky teams tend to be shit teams.

I hate scapegoating and Maupay is set up to fail, but... he is utterly lamentable, truly, appallingly bad beyond belief. Bewildered, lost, inept and taking money he does not deserve.

He is Martinez in a blue shirt. The worst insult I can conjure up.
I think our next game is as important as any in many years.

Paul Tran
267 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:37:44
Paul #253, I interpreted Dyche's words this way:

'I've inherited a rag bag of an unbalanced squad. We've got one unfit striker, one ineffective one and some barely-tried youngsters. We haven't got much to spend, so my team puts in plenty of graft but is wondering who the fuck's going to score for us.'

Until we have a focal point up front and/or players who can score, that is what we are.

Kevin Naylor
268 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:38:18

I don't think they are even on the ship but sipping brandy from a safe distance.

Pat Kelly
269 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:40:17
"We've adapted to what we are and we showed that today"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that means we're shite and we showed that today. Dyche seems to be acknowledging we're no better than last season and that's clear for everyone to see.

I wonder if he's on another £3M to keep us up. After today he'll probably be offered it. Suits him, I suppose…

Terry Farrell
270 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:40:39
Glass half-full: the interplay and pressing and fitness all gained in pre-season worked well first half and we should have been 2 up minimum.

But we weren't and Silva made 4 changes early to win the game and we made none. Once we are 1 down, surely it's shit or bust and we lose 2-0 or we draw 1-1 or win 2-1. Only 2 late substitutions is a joke when you can bring 5 on!

Ray Jacques
271 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:40:59
Bobby, I know as I can't think of anyone either, but I just want some hope!!
Mark Stanley
272 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:41:24
I was watching Gillette Soccer Special before the game and Paul Merson predicted we'd be relegated because we'd done nothing to address the shocking lack of goals we had last season.

I thought, "Hang on, the season hasn't started yet." But, after today's game and the atrocious misses, I tend to think he might well be right.

In the first 15 minutes of the Newcastle vs Villa game there were four good chances of which three were converted. It's clear for all to see we are stuffed without at least one tried and tested goalscorer as Calvert-Lewin will be AWOL for most of the season.

Ian Bennett
273 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:42:32
Just put it in the fucking net!
John Keating
274 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:45:14
Hopefully Dyche will now realise he cannot continue to pick Maupay. We should have been out of sight at half time.

I still cannot fathom how the ref did not give us the Keane goal – unbelievable!

3 points thrown away when every point will be vital this season.

Dyche sees them every day in training but Branthwaite and Calvert-Lewin have to start games.

Paul Ferry
275 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:46:18
That's absolutely fair Paul T, but I'd rather see some "fixing", "changing", and "forward thinking" to change "what we are" than "adapting".

Dyche is working with real constraints and he has my backing because what we need this season is to stay up. But, sadly, "adapting" to "what we are" might not be enough.

I see real conflict between Dyche and Moshiri/Kenwright not too far down the road if things continue as they are off the pitch.

If we "adapted" to "what we are" in the upper echelons we would sink some time soon.

Never in my lifetime, I think, have we needed such fundamental changes wherever we choose to look: downstairs, upstairs, strikers, investment, negotiating contracts, nailing down the defence and so on and so on.

Not the most heartening of times to be blue, Paul, as much as I am deeply grateful that I am.

Mark Murphy
276 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:48:31
Was Kenwright at the game?
Oliver Molloy
277 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:48:52
There will be games we deserve to lose, but today we should have had at least a draw.

Wee Maupay tried hard in this game, but it is plain for all to see he just has zero confidence – strikers need to take their chances but you know Patterson's miss was fucking criminal. We had opportunities, didn't take them, and in my opinion, had a goal ruled out incorrectly.

Never good to lose the first game of the season at home, it sort of paints a picture of what may be ahead!

For my own mental health, I have a new approach this season- expect nothing and everything else will be a bonus!
Despite a decent performance another weekend of misery for Evertonains.

Strikers, strikers, strikers, strikers... end of story.

Lev Vellene
278 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:49:21
Kieran #262, that is just the point! Neither of the youngsters may be able to do all of those things today, but they can at least learn to both do so, and maybe even score from those positions. Maupay will get into those positions, but he has no goal-scoring in him!

As I think Gordon Strachan(?) said of Southampton's Claus Lundekvam (a defender) when he finally scored after years and years, as he always came up for dead ball situations, at some point he'd have to be in a position that the ball had to bounce off him and into the oppositions goal...

I'm afraid that's how I see Maupay's role in the PL...

Mike Doyle
279 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:49:42
Was any Board member at the game?
Denis Richardson
280 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:50:08
Bobby 256 - we don't need to sign someone who will score 15-20 goals as we don't have the money and that kind of quality won't come to us at this time anyway.

However, there are strikers out there on frees and strikers out there on loan that, importantly, are better than Maupay. We don't have anything up front and, even if Calvert-Lewin is fit, we can't expect him to play 90 minutes every game of the season.

And as sure as night follows day, he ain't going to stay for the whole season in any case.

Garry Martin
281 Posted 12/08/2023 at 18:52:34
I can't help but think Sean Dyche will be gone by January. Everton will deflect the blame, again, from their shoulders and drag our club further into the mire.

Dyche should have dug his heels in and demanded money for a half-decent striker or resigned on a point of lack of strikers.

Paul Tran
282 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:03:05
Paul, the immediate thinking is that he really should give Cannon a go up front and/or get at least one striker in before the window shuts. And if possible get some money for Maupay, Gray and Holgate to balance the books.

The immediate forward thinking would be to put Branthwaite next to Tarkowski and give him a signal that he will play games here.

The future thinking, presumably is to bring in and/or develop players like Onana, Chermiti, even the likes of Garner and McNeil are relatively young players.

I'm a bit more lenient towards Thelwell, because he's paying for the wastefulness of the previous genius, who wrote cheques for £20-25M while forgetting to buy players who score goals.

A big if, but I think a half-decent striker would make a huge difference to this team.

Lev Vellene
283 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:03:09
Mike #279,

The Board members are so irrelevant by this point for the fans, that I never thought to check if they were actually there...

Oops! I forgot about many old beloved cartoons in the same way, they just slipped off my mind in time... I how Bill Kenwright can be similarly lubed for my distancing comfort! ;D

Jack Convery
284 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:03:14
Might I suggest we ask Arteta for Soares on a season loan. He was on loan at Fulham last season.

Age 30, an accomplished right-back and a Portuguese International. We cannot rely on Patterson and Seamus all season.

As for a centre-forward immediately available on a free at Aldi – Morelos, who must be better than Maupay, surely.

Anthony A Hughes
285 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:10:38
Dyche — you're getting paid to improve us and move things on. Instead of adapting to what we are and levelling off the shite, do something about it and coach this lot.

And do us a favour – don't pick Maupay again.

Allan Board
286 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:13:33
I watched Tom Cannon quite a bit last season at Preston NE (my 2nd team), okay, only from highlights of the EFL, but I can assure you he knows where the goal is.

Yeh, Maupay runs into the right positions – but so could I. The huge difference is young Tom doesn't shit himself and panic when he runs into the right positions and the ball arrives to him. It's called 'composure' – Maupay couldnt spell it.

And Keane is finished – even as a donkey. Play Branthwaite.

Get out, Kenwright!

Brian Williams
287 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:13:49
I'll admit to not reading all the posts as I've suffered enough after today but I did read some slightly histrio nic ones immediately after the game while waiting for my fellow car travellers to get away from Goodison.

The over simplistic one's merely looking at our lack of a striker are valid to a certain extent but two out of three of our absolute gilt edged chances today fell to a midfielder and a defender.

Doucoure should have buried his chance as should Patterson. I know Maupay should have scored too but you can't just cry "striker" and ignore the fact that had the other two scored their very very scoreable chances the game's won.

We'll have a new striker in, in time for Villa away if all goes well with no hiccups (famous last words I know).

Paul Ferry
288 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:14:25
Agree with every single word of that Paul, the spanner in the works - and I hope not - is a real rift getting deeper each week between the gaffer and the owner/board, that might lead to him jumping ship.
Brian Williams
289 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:17:52
ps: Board members were at the game but Kenwright was/is too ill to attend.
Ian Riley
290 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:18:28
Staying up is success! It really is!
Ian Bennett
291 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:19:37
Said all along he'd start Michael Keane. Just too obvious he'd give Keane yet another chance, despite stinking the place out for the last 5 years+. Branthwaite put in a transfer request in lad, and find a good club that will recognise quality over shite. This isn't a football club anymore.

Same on Maupay. Any hope before the game, is wiped out with someone that makes Stuey Barlow look clinical. We know he can't finish, so why bother? I'd rather just blood Cannon. Yeah, he might not run around or tackle back - but he might just put that round thing in between the sticks.

Total inept recruitment to be in this situation with zero goal threat for yet another season. Watching a game waiting to go behind - and then knowing its another defeat.

Here's to getting stuffed at villa, and losing 6 pointers vs Wolves & Sheffield United...

Paul Ferry
292 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:20:11
Was Moshiri, Brian, I think I know the answer!
Mal van Schaick
293 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:20:44
It's no surprise that we haven't scored goals once again. The people responsible have had since the end of May to fix it, and they have willingly chosen not to act with urgency and we can see the end result once again.

Fix it now or we are going to struggle to stay in the League again.

Pete Neilson
294 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:22:52
It's a buyer's market for our players. Firstly they aren't great quality, secondly every club knows that we're on our knees financially.

Good luck to Thelwell bringing in a half-decent striker on loan or as a free agent. His hands have been tied by the incompetence of Moshiri, Keenwright and the highly paid buffoons and charlatans who've been running us. Although God knows why Thelwell signed Maupay. Staggering.

Pretty flat atmosphere around Goodison today but good applause for Jimmy Martin. I hope he takes Kenwright's seat for future home games.

Sean Kelly
295 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:24:22
Same old shite. No forward since Lukaku left and relying on a crock. All the bullshit spewed out about dcl all week “ factory re set” my arse.

We might be lucky to find 3 worse teams but we are definitely the worst run club. Dyche's post match comments are confusing at best but sounds like something Kenwright would say.

Nick West
296 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:26:38
Maupay, Maupay, Maupay…

Help. I can't take it any more.

David West
297 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:31:25
Result is not what we wanted.

It is a results business so we are disappointed, but if you look at the performance, the chances created, the relatively low chances they created basically with the same line-up of players plus Young, it shouldn't be a confidence killer.

Another day, this would have been 4-0. This is the Premier League and if you don't take your chance, especially Everton, who are notorious for not creating chances the danger of losing 1-0 will always be there.

We should take heart from the number of chances created and hope that either Danjuma, Calvert-Lewin or Chermiti come in and turn the chances into goals.

I won't tear into Maupay. He tries, he gives his all, but he just doesn't have the quality to lead an Everton attack.

Michael Kenrick
298 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:34:34
Neil @254:

"1 game. Bottom of the Table"

Not quite; there's a couple even worse off than us: Luton (1-4), Aston Villa (1-5)

Phil Lewis
299 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:42:47
'Groundhog Day'.

At least we have the excitement of final match survival to look forward to.....

Roger Helm
300 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:45:15
I remember, and it's not that long ago, when we used to comfortably beat the likes of Fulham, and Brentford and Brighton weren't even in our league.

This is where we are now, thanks to Kenwright, slowly turning into Sunderland.

Brian Williams
301 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:45:53
Paul. I think you know the answer too. 👍
Paul Ferry
303 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:50:28
Cheers Brian!

First 606 caller, Kieran, a toffee, ripping into Dyche, claims that we are a "laughing stock", and if we are he certainly is not helping.

Jeff Armstrong
304 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:54:16
Ian 291 correct, Dyche does himself no favours with the fanbase by constantly picking Keane and not giving Cannon, Danjuma, or Dobbin the nod before Maupay.

He needs to start taking a gamble now and then instead of his ultra-cautious approach, what better time to do it in the first home game of the season against a pretty average Fulham side with a buoyant home crowd.

He would earn a lot more respect by giving Branthwaite the start which for me puts Tarkowski into his natural right-sided position in defence, up top, any of the aforementioned would surely do no worse than Maupay.

For me, Dyche has been loyal, stoic, and pretty unimaginative in his selections today.

George Cumiskey
305 Posted 12/08/2023 at 19:58:13
Aston villa got battered today, but not to worry they've got Everton next week so they'll be right back on track.
Grant Rorrison
306 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:00:32
I thought we played quite well to a degree. But football's about scoring goals and winning games and we didn't manage either (in the eyes of the ref), so not well enough.

As for DCL. It's not a 'factory reset' he needs. He should be shut down. The sooner we get a proper centre-forward in the better.

Barry Rathbone
307 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:02:02
Watched the highlights and we did alright for a club festooned with players struggling with basic ball control and passing together with zero creativity.

Seemed to have the best chances and a legit goal chalked off although it is concerning their goal came from defenders dozing. No goal threat and unaware defenders isn't a good combo.

Another turgid season to come by the looks although endeavour seems to have increased and with a bit of luck we might get 6th from bottom.

Brian Wilkinson
313 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:04:43
I got ripped to shreds on here weeks ago when I suggested Vardy on a free as a squad filler. I would have given my right arm for those chances to fall to Vardy today.

We cannot go into another season without addressing our striker problems.

3 points dropped today, sort it, Everton, before the window closes.

Chris Leyland
314 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:05:53
We created enough clear cut chances to win this comfortably but our Achilles heel of not signing a proper striker came back to bite us once again.

I like Dyche a lot and he has got us better organised and creating but his insistence on playing Maupay is going to be the end of him. You can't fault the lad for running and effort but the chances he missed today would have been put away by any journeyman striker.

Dave Abrahams
315 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:06:28
It was a good performance that deserved a win but we all know without a proper striker we will struggle to score goals. Maupay is not a striker but could have had a couple of goals today just by keeping his head, as should Patterson with a very good chance, battered the ball instead of stroking it home.

On another day, we would have won with the chances created but we need a striker to make sure the victories will come, or we will have more days like this.

Jeff Armstrong
316 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:07:13
Overall we were the better team today and normally I'd say we'll be okay this season, but it's that tribunal in October that worries me most…

A 10- or 12-point deduction will kill us, no way are we getting 50 points with 10 deductible and staying up with this squad.

Robert Tressell
318 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:12:46
As noted in the thread, we should be congratulating Dyche for orchestrating a routine 4-1 victory. That would have been a fair reflection of the play.

Lousy finishing from Maupay, Doucoure, Danjuma and Patterson - plus a very, very unlucky call on the Keane goal were our undoing. Not the manager's selection, formation or tactics.

Those complaining about the selection of Keane seem to ignore the fact he had a pretty good game. Whilst I wanted Branthwaite to start, I can't pretend Keane was awful. He wasn't.

Based on the performances, I'd have said the mistake Dyche made today was to accommodate the unnecessary Gueye in midfield – at the expense of either Dobbin or Cannon. Danjuma didn't look fit, so you can see why he only got a few minutes.

Anyway, I still can't see that this changes how our season is likely to unfold. Disappointing, of course, but we're still on to finish about 13th with 45 points.

Rick Tarleton
319 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:17:05
My Super 6 prediction came true, scant consolation!

You cannot score regularly in the Premier League when you are relying on a Doucoure (McNeil, Iwobi or any other person's) occasional 30-yard wonder goal. You need someone who can finish from 5 to 10 yards when he has the chance. He must ("they" would be too much to hope for ) be able to score from around one in three or four opportunities. Maupay is not that man.

Unless we can find a striker who can fulfill that role, we will spend this season as we have spent the last two seasons staring relegation in the face. I don't think it will be third time lucky and, if we get a points deduction in October, heaven help us.

Jerome Shields
320 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:17:57
I don't think that Garner was responsible for the goal. He spotted the weakness and tried to get back.

The defensive organisation was non-existent. Patterson was out of position and Keane was too deep as usual with no purpose.

Pat Kelly
321 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:24:37
A points deduction in October will see us in negative points territory.
Mike Doyle
322 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:26:30
Dave 315,

I agree fully with your comments. If Dyche persists with the woeful Maupay, we had better expect more days like this.

Shaun Laycock
323 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:26:57
Nice balanced view about the game, Robert, I'm with you.

More and more games are passing Gana by. Get Garner in there and someone else on the wing.

David West
325 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:28:30
People need to get a grip !!

We score 1 or 2 of them chances today and half these comments on here from certain people would be dramatically different without the performance being any different.

Yes, we know we need to put the chances away, but we wouldn't have made these chances last season. We wouldn't have been in the game at all.

One lapse of concentration in defence in this league and you are punished, but it doesn't make the rest of the performance bad!!

People coming on to just shout 'bottom of the league after 1 game', when we are not, or to berate Maupay or sack Dyche is just their regular winge.

People who see the whole match for what it was, was a decent performance with wasted opportunities and poor finishing.

Move on to the next one!!

Rob Dolby
326 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:30:56
Dave 315 totally agree. The better team lost. Nobody could argue with a 3-1 victory today.

We need Cannon or the new lad starting next week. Maupay isn't up to Premier League standard even though today was probably his best game for us.

David McMullen
327 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:31:23
The criminal incompetence is surely directed at the club and not just muppet?

The club hasn't come up with firepower since Lukaku but we nurtured Calvert-Lewin and despite his fitness frailties we seem to be no closer to a competent goal scorer, nevermind 2 or 3.

It's wholly on the board and the DoF for this incompetency.

Pat Kelly
328 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:31:25
Grant, both apply if we have 0 points
Peter Mills
329 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:32:47
By the way, De Cordova-Reid, the lad who scored - his first goal this year.
Paul Ferry
330 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:33:58
Great post Pat (Kelly): smart, witty, shrewd, incisive, knowledgeable but, above all, supportive and hopeful in an extremely pragmatic and realistic way.

We need more great "Evertonians" like you in these darkening times, Pat, solid as a rock folk who we can turn to in testing times.

Pat Kelly
331 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:36:22
Thanks Paul. That was lovely.
Paul Ferry
332 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:37:46
You're welcome mate!
Grant Rorrison
333 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:38:23
Pat 328. Yeah, but you don't think we'll have no points come October, surely?
Brian Wilkinson
334 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:42:37
I still cannot find fault with the goal ruled out, the goalie came over the top of Tarkowski and dropped the ball. Where was Tarkowski supposed to go?

If that is a top 4 team, that goal stands all day long. The VAR would have jumped in straight away, saying go and check the monitor.

Charles Brewer
335 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:49:39
Brian [313], I am of exactly the same opinion. According to Transfermarkt, Vardy would cost around £2.5 million (although I'm sure Bill could get that up to £10M).

I didn't see the match today, but my son and the various commentators suggest that the problem was in just one department – competent goalscoring. There were minor glitches elsewhere – which led to the Fulham goal for example – but the gross incompetence in front of the goal stood out like nothing else.

I cannot see how a superannuated, slower-than-10-years-ago narky sod like Vardy could do any worse than our current squad of useless players in front of goal. If he missed everything for an entire season, he'd be no worse than Maupay and the rest of them.

Vardy knows where the goal is and he's still cool and calm in front of goal and doesn't blow a fuse and go into instant panic mode in the penalty area.

£2.5 million and a reasonable pay level from other sources (getting rid of the pathetic, whining, poisonous waste of space that is Dele Alli would be a great start) would at least show some inclination to address the problem.

Paul Ferry
336 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:50:36
Brilliant, Charles!

"Vardy would cost around £2.5 million (although I'm sure Bill could get that up to £10M)".

Billy Shears
337 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:50:42
I'd still play a 4-4-2 at home and a 4-5-1 on the road.

Unless Dyche is braver in games and change our system and trust in our youth players and make changes (through subs), we're just making up the numbers and our trophy drought will just continue.

Kieran Kinsella
338 Posted 12/08/2023 at 20:52:37
Paul @303,

Doesn't surprise me. Not saying Dyche is perfect by any means but the inevitable “sack the manager” after one game routine is misguided

Paul Birmingham
340 Posted 12/08/2023 at 21:00:30

We knew before the season it would be tough and no doubt if Everton or any team spurn chances like today, they can only blame themselves, and for the position they could find themselves in next May.

Time to take stock and keep going, play to the strengths of the team.

Hopefully some painful lessons learnt today by Everton and the referee's panel.

The referee should be fined for neglect of his responsibilities today. That was a stinking decision which cost Everton but Everton should have had the game sewn up by half-time.

The second half was hard work and it wasn't a surprise when Fulham scored but the squad have a resolve they never would have got under Lampard. Luck, and it will happen soon.

There's still time in this window to get some players in, and I firmly believe this season Everton will be safe before the final couple of months of this season.


John Connor
341 Posted 12/08/2023 at 21:01:57
A lot of the comments seem to imply we were the better team, created more chances, should have won, poor ref etc. The object of the game is to score goals, something we didn't do today and don't do enough of.

I don't care how many games we are the better team, or if we have most of the possession or the highest chances ever. If we don't score, we won't win (obviously).

Not being negative but this was a poor Fulham team today, we were at home and couldn't score. Not getting a striker in before now (purchase or loan) is a dereliction of duty and poor management.

Billy Shears
342 Posted 12/08/2023 at 21:07:39
Gana Gueye and Maupay are major problems; if either start next Sunday then Villa will just bounce back after today's 5-1 drubbing!
Terry Farrell
343 Posted 12/08/2023 at 21:10:38

Two wrongs don't make a right. Vardy is finished at Premier League level. End of.

Anthony A Hughes
344 Posted 12/08/2023 at 21:14:15
If this and that… if my aunt was my uncle (who knows these days).

The record books won't remember good performances without goals being scored and some points on the board. Somehow, Dyche needs to get a shine on this turd and quickly.

Joe McMahon
345 Posted 12/08/2023 at 21:18:44
John @341, fully agree.

I'm getting bored of Everton now; year-in & year out, the same old predictable shit. Kenwright has killed this club, acceptance of once being good for a few years in the '60s and '80s being enough.

Everton supporters need to be rewarded for decades of shit; we need something to look forward for. Years of negative goal difference is hard to fork out hard-earned money for.

Dale Self
346 Posted 12/08/2023 at 21:21:50
One can observe how well Dyche has transformed the squad by the limp yet desperate criticism. Dyche can only install a system through which players will achieve objectives by converting opportunities. Plenty of chances were created today for our side.

Also, I'm not sure Fulham even had a shot at half-time. We were hard done by one of our better players losing concentration or stamina but that will be fixed.

We were always going to improve from the back forward and we are. I'll keep it short in case the negativos have something interesting to rant on about.

Paul Ferry
347 Posted 12/08/2023 at 21:24:34
Kieran, Kieran was the caller's name, but I do agree with you!

I have a horrible feeling that Dyche and the owner or board are on a collision course. Dyche's post-Bournemouth remarks and concerns have not yet been fully resolved. I think that he and the DoF are working hard to try to do something about this but that they are hemmed in by "constraints" and you know who.

It is in no one's interest to see Dyche sacked or walk out of the door at this point in time. No one. We will not go down with Dyche in charge (I saw a few good things today despite the result). He seems to like the challenge – and the money – but everyone has their dignified limits, except for Emlyn Hughes and Tommy Smith.

I suspect that Dyche would like to see another more seasoned striker and another midfielder. We could do worse than look at Leicester – Vardy and Dewsbury-Hall – although they, unlike us, are off to a flying start.

A couple of decent buys in needed places would settle a lot of us down, including the manager and Thelwell.

Liam Mogan
349 Posted 12/08/2023 at 21:33:07
Michael Keane is the worst centre-back in the Premier League. We will always concede easily whilst he is in the team. Positionally inept. Continually off balance. Turns like an oil tanker. Bullied by centre-forwards. Mentally weak.

We should never have lost that game. Yes, we missed some golden chances, but we lost because Keane left his station and left a gaping hole. Does it all the time. We play him all season we go down.

Jason Li
350 Posted 12/08/2023 at 21:38:03
Just unlucky, nothing more.

Doucouré never seemed to have full control of the ball with the best clear chance, and also not a convincing shot after his last mis-controlled touch. It's like he doesn't trust a slightly heavier touch once he's past the defender to take him slightly inside the box and then put his laces through it. But takes two tiny touches that are really hard instead and so he's not in a great position to strike through the ball.

Patterson only needed to place it, but it's not his normal position to be in front of the goal volleying at the goal.

The team just need to wipe the slate clean, put it down to early-season rustiness. Hopefully Calvert-Lewin, Chermiti or another striker is in the squad for the next game, and it's goals galore!

It will be a mid-table finish if that many chances are created at every home game.

Ralph Basnett
351 Posted 12/08/2023 at 21:49:05
Me thinks Dyche is starting Keane as we won't have Branthwaite after 1 September.
Chris Gould
352 Posted 12/08/2023 at 22:07:21
Some people have the knives out for the same players regardless of their performances. Keane was solid today and untroubled. Should have been awarded a goal, and was not at fault for the Fulham goal.

I was as disappointed as everyone to see Maupay's name on the teamsheet, but he had his most effective game and worked tirelessly. His first-half performance deserved a goal. He was unlucky that his best chance was so close to the goalkeeper. Leno did well, moving forward swiftly, and leaving Maupay with little to aim at.

Of course Maupay is not the answer leading the line. He's been hung out to dry by the club's ineptitude. He isn't a Number 9 and has been made to look awful by being played there. He's too short and too slow. Dyche knows this but has had his hands tied.

The likes of Cannon are not the answer. Throw him in, watch him fail miserably, see his confidence drop and the fans say he's shit. He needs to be built up slowly. If Dyche thought he was ready, then he'd play him.

It's obvious Maupay has worked hard over the summer, he was mobile and a real pest.

Some people need to try watching the game objectively without bias. If that was Maupay's first game for us, most would likely agree that he did a good job and was a little unlucky.

Hopefully this will change next week, and we'll finally bring in a striker ready to hit the ground running. The Udinese 6'-4" brute for me.

Andy Crooks
353 Posted 12/08/2023 at 22:20:04
Charles @335, I agree. Swap Vardy for Maupay today and we would have won comfortably, in my view.

It's not even as though Maupay scores and the floodgates open. If he ever scores for Everton, I might, literally, faint.

This is down to Dyche; set up the team to suit Maupay (which would immediately mean starting Branthwaite and playing through the middle) or stop humiliating him.

Sam Hoare
354 Posted 12/08/2023 at 22:32:45
I was feeling pretty optimistic this morning but that disappeared the moment I saw the team sheet.

We've needed a reliable goalscorer since Richarlison left and it has not been supplied. A shame in a way we had such a winnable game today as in 2-3 weeks time it's very possible we'll have a fit Calvert-Lewin and Chermiti ready to play and another striker bought in.

But we never seem to get business done early and I hope that we don't live to regret haggling over a few million here and there.

On another note, I'd rather Doucouré scored that harder chance vs Bournemouth in the last match than the easier one today!!

Disappointing start. Terrible result. But inexplicably I still feel we'll be okay this season. A crucial few weeks of the transfer window left. Gnonto in and Beto on loan, please.

Jamie Crowley
355 Posted 12/08/2023 at 22:52:12
Ralph @351,

Spot on. I'd be stunned if Branthwaite were still an Everton player come 1 September. Stunned.

And I concur – that's exactly why he didn't play.

Chris @352,

I watched the game objectively and I did see Maupay run his socks off. He always does. Anyone who gives their all in the shirt I won't be overly critical of, and I do appreciate the effort Maupay gives.

But (you knew the "but" was coming...) the kid just doesn't finish. Strikers need to score. It's really that simple. And objectively Everton are very incomplete, missing the tip of the spear, every single time Maupay is out there. I don't think he should play again. I really don't.

Dobbin looked good, Danjuma looks lively, you have to try him ahead of the ineffective Maupay, and Chermiti likewise has to be given a shot ahead of Maupay. If Dyche starts Maupay next week, I'll be angry and disappointed, because I like Sean Dyche and don't want to see him fail. If he persists with Maupay we will be headless without any goal-scoring threat.

And that, in my opinion, is the objective truth.

Jamie Crowley
356 Posted 12/08/2023 at 22:58:04
Dale @ 346,

We were hard done by one of our better players losing concentration or stamina but that will be fixed.

Do not forget that which we were most hard done by!

A completely legitimate goal being disallowed for a phantom foul.

1-1 and a draw at worse. Convert any of the multiple chances we did have and we win very, very comfortably.

I agree. There actually were a lot of positives from today's game. The problem lies where it always has the last two seasons: scoring friggin goals!

And when a perfectly good goal gets chalked off the board for no reason whatsoever, it really hurts a team struggling to find goals.

Andy Crooks
357 Posted 12/08/2023 at 23:02:10
Good post, Sam. My only concern is how utterly confidence-sapping that defeat was. We are always two defeats from becoming "crisis club" Everton.

Our next two games are as important as our last two last season. We have a very fragile group of players that will readily accept defeat without being cut to the heart.

I think that was a monumental loss today. Down to Dyche now, his team selection and management was uninspiring.

Tony Abrahams
358 Posted 12/08/2023 at 23:09:36
Tarkowski put the ball needlessly out of play whilst under no pressure and then Everton never recovered their defensive shape quick enough.

If Patterson has to track his runner that far over whilst aware that both his central defenders are out of position, then he has definitely got to do more to stop the cross.

Garner never worked hard enough to get back in a defensive position but that goal was also conceded because we lost our defensive shape, and shouldn't be blamed on any one player, imo, Mike G.

Kenwright isn't well again. Well, neither are Everton.

Brent Stephens
359 Posted 12/08/2023 at 23:09:59
I can't believe Branthwaite will sit out the season on the bench but nor do I see him leaving before the transfer window shuts.

He might be given his chance sooner than we think in place of Keane (despite Keane's performance today); Keane might get injured to provide the chance; Dyche might at some point use a back three and slot Branthwaite into that. Dyche might be letting Keane down slowly.

I don't know, but sooner rather than later I see Branthwaite being in that defence on a regular basis.

Lester Yip
360 Posted 12/08/2023 at 23:46:36
A much better performance than last season's game against Fulham.

Dyche clearly has a game play and the team works in a unit. We let them have possesion and force them into errors and counter. There were way more chances we created under Dyche than before. The same old remains. Not clinical in front of goals.

I can see, if we retain this work-rate and organisation, we won't be relegated. But we did need some composure in front of goals. Not just a striker.

Dale Self
361 Posted 12/08/2023 at 23:47:35
Jamie 356, you are right of course. I just don't bother complaining about calls anymore, it's factored into the Everton experience.

And since you're seeing that too I will take back my taunting. Very un-English of me to do that. I know it will be frustrating for us this season in particular because it is an inflection point. It always keeps looking like it could be better than it is in the moment.

I see much structural improvement although Tony's point about our defensive shape at the end is fair. That wasn't stamina as much as mental lapse imo. There is enough functional that we will build up steady even if our start gets stunted by business again.

We could still get some aggravation from the transfer episode but overall it is in the right direction. Small shit I know but not having even that was truly soul-numbing. We will get there, bitching and all. Kidding, kinda, okay, kidding.

Paul Ferry
362 Posted 12/08/2023 at 23:58:50
Maybe us Yanks – well, I've got a green card – can sort all this out over the next few hours while the Brits toss and turn in their beds searching for sleep.
Derek Thomas
363 Posted 12/08/2023 at 23:59:34
Pretty good stuff in between the penalty boxes – same old same old inside those respective boxes.

Silva made 3 substitutes before 53 mins – Dyche didn't (can't, wouldn't or couldn't is for another debate).

Maupay though? I don't know in footballing terms what 'shaped hole' he is – square, round or one that begins with A, but whatever it is – we haven't got one he fits.

Sometimes it's just never going to work and both parties need to admit it and move on... but no doubt, as usual, we're well over-paying him, so there's no incentive for him.

Paul Ferry
364 Posted 13/08/2023 at 00:20:29
What a brilliant Beeb headline:

"Everton 0-1 Fulham: Sean Dyche says side "have to score a goal".

Paul Kossoff
366 Posted 13/08/2023 at 00:30:43
I'm going to defend Maupay. I thought all the chances shown on the BBC were more the keeper being quick out to block his efforts than any incompetence by him.

His first effort, he was quick at the defence and had to shoot as no one supported him. His shot grazed the post from an angle.
Others had easier chances, especially Patterson.

Maupay was not as bad today as some say. Now to my defence, I was not wearing me glasses whilst watching. 😀

Deborah Maria
367 Posted 13/08/2023 at 01:05:15

What substitutions would you have made to improve our chances of winning?

We had no goals on the bench so it's irrelevant as to which substitutions they made.

Kieran Kinsella
368 Posted 13/08/2023 at 01:23:44
Chris Gould,

I rate Keane as much as Tom Davies, which is below zero, but yeah today I didn't think he warranted much criticism to be fair.


I wasn't in the ground and obviously light is faster than sound plus Peacock often lags but I thought the ref (wrongly) blew the whistle before the goal?

Phil Lewis
369 Posted 13/08/2023 at 01:24:51
Dele Alli need never take another sleeping tablet ever again. All he has to do is record Everton's matches and play them at bedtime.

Works a treat for me.

Mark Andersson
370 Posted 13/08/2023 at 06:58:27
Chris Gould 352,

The only post on here with a true objective about the game the players and manager...

Danny O’Neill
371 Posted 13/08/2023 at 08:08:28
Interesting read. Some have us condemned. Others saw something in the performance.

Convert those chances and we'll be okay. I see the club has made a statement on the abuse Maupay has received on social media.

Newcastle top. Villa bottom. Everton 16th behind several teams that haven't even played yet.

It's game one of 38. Why did we stop not producing the league table until at least 3 games had been played?

Unless in extremis, I don't tend to take much notice of the league table until December most seasons.

Danny Baily
372 Posted 13/08/2023 at 08:23:37
Danny 371, I agree the table is irrelevant at this stage. But the fact that it's game one is also irrelevant.

We've lost a winnable home game. There aren't many of those in a season anymore, and it makes it much harder to plot a path to the 10 or so wins we need to be safe.

Bobby Mallon
373 Posted 13/08/2023 at 08:27:00
Why are people giving Maupay stick on social media? I bet most of the cretins are not very good at their jobs or don't work.
David Bromwell
374 Posted 13/08/2023 at 08:31:55
I didn't enjoy the game yesterday but, unlike many supporters, I did hang on in until the end.

There were, as many have said some plus points: young Garner looks to be a very good player in the making, although playing out wide is clearly not his best position.

Ashley Young looked solid, particularly in the first half, and given that we had no natural wide players yesterday, I was surprised he wasn't played as a winger. The team as a whole generally looked fitter and created enough chances to win two games.

But, and it's a very big 'but', our passing and shooting, ie, basic skill levels for a footballer, are so very poor and for me that makes us difficult to watch. In addition for every corner, our routine is the same, it's not effective and boring to watch.

In the past couple of weeks, I, like many, have watched a number of the women's World Cup games. In the very basics, many of those girls have far better skills than some of our players; until we can balance the squad with some more skilful players, sadly we can expect more of the same: all hard work, effort, and very few goals.

Steve Shave
375 Posted 13/08/2023 at 08:49:35
I have not read any of the above comments; I couldn't bring myself to after feeling very despondent yesterday. I had foolishly looked forward to watching the game with some apprehensive mild optimism.

As the dust settles, here are my 2 pennies worth. We played quite well overall, we are solid defensively, compact in midfield, and I don't feel I need to point out what I am sure everyone else has about our attack.

Garner, who otherwise had a good game, was at fault for the goal and incredibly allowed Reid to steal in again minutes later!! Leno was absolutely superb throughout.

The anger towards Maupay annoys me, it's mainly idiots who are displacing their anger they rightly feel towards the board for gross negligence in not signing a striker. Feel sorry for him, I thought he was as much of a handful as a 5ft-9in striker can possibly be in such a system. I really hope fans show some solidarity towards him next week, it would go a long way.

Based on that performance, my confidence in our defence overall and the hope that we sign Beto orEkitikè plus another winger and I think we will do okay this season.

Imagine that performance with Calvert-Lewin or Beto up front and an electric wing option on the bench. Different outcome for sure.

Branthwaite to be slowly introduced in the coming weeks too please. COYB.

Mike Connolly
376 Posted 13/08/2023 at 08:57:01
Tony Hibbert is more of a goal-scoring threat than Maupay.
Dave Abrahams
377 Posted 13/08/2023 at 08:58:43
My main complaint on yesterday's game is a long-running one, the lack of movement is still very apparent.

For all the stick Maupay gets, he never has an Everton teammate near him when he does manage to collect the ball. It's one reason he gets caught in possession while he's looking for support.

But it applies to all parts of the team, while Fulham – not a good team on yesterday's performance – seemed to be able to pass and move at ease, knew each other's game.

This lack of movement should be looked at – it's so obvious.

Dave Williams
379 Posted 13/08/2023 at 11:09:35
I thought we played quite well in parts. The main positive was Garner who looks a real player and the main negative apart from no goals was the disappearance for most of the game of Onana meaning that a lot of the time we were playing with ten men. The lad has huge ability but we cannot afford to carry anyone.
The abuse of Maupay is mindless. The lad tried hard and was effective. His chances weren’t easy- yes he should have taken at least one but the keeper was out quickly each time. He must know himself that he won’t be here once we bring in another striker but he gave it his all. It’s no fun being his height up against six foot tall defenders and not getting the support from his colleagues. It’s not his fault that his manager persists with him as a lone striker. Ok, he gets paid a fortune but does not deserve the shameful abuse some morons dish out to him.
Had we won we would not be nailed on for CL next season just as having lost does not have us relegated. An experienced striker is needed next week, the Portuguese lad on the bench and someone needs to sort Onana out- or sell if we can get £70m for him.
Danny O’Neill
380 Posted 13/08/2023 at 11:15:42
I'd agree with both of the comments Dave & Dave.

Maupay put a shift in and worked hard.

Their keeper was just out quickly every time and saved everything thrown at him.

The Fulham supporters were repetitively chanting his name all the way back to Euston.

As well as some derogatory chants about Chelsea!

Apparently Brentford aren't too popular either.

And they have forgotten who QPR are.

Interesting getting different views!

David Hallwood
382 Posted 13/08/2023 at 11:31:28
Dave Williams(#379) Agree with most of what you said including your comments on Onana, except when does ‘potential’ translate to performance? I don’t want to get on any player’s back, but we should be seeing more from if he’s this much envied player. But I’ve seen him boss a midfield or even come close to it.

Ok he’s only young but I remember Cesc Fabregas debut against us when he was 17 and he did just that, or Billy Kenny in the derby, which I think was the first one in the Premier League era.

IMO he just saunters through games and while he was Ok yesterday, I was expecting him to drive us forward. I think he’s got a long way to go before he’s the finished article and I love him to prove me wrong.

David Hallwood
383 Posted 13/08/2023 at 11:31:29
Dave Williams(#379) Agree with most of what you said including your comments on Onana, except when does ‘potential’ translate to performance? I don’t want to get on any player’s back, but we should be seeing more from if he’s this much envied player. But I’ve seen him boss a midfield or even come close to it.

Ok he’s only young but I remember Cesc Fabregas debut against us when he was 17 and he did just that, or Billy Kenny in the derby, which I think was the first one in the Premier League era.

IMO he just saunters through games and while he was Ok yesterday, I was expecting him to drive us forward. I think he’s got a long way to go before he’s the finished article and I love him to prove me wrong.

Garry Martin
384 Posted 13/08/2023 at 11:34:08
Media now trying to stop criticism of a certain EFC player, who, is clearly a 'FLOP'.
The man has had 18 months to prove his ability and under normal circumstances would have relegated to the A or B teams of EFC. Endless amount of goal scoring opportunities were presented to him yesterday, but still, lets not cricise him, poor soul !. Remember, our great team will be relegated due to these highly paid 'flops' !
NORTH KOREA Comes mind when the media try to stop free speech.
Ben King
385 Posted 13/08/2023 at 11:44:54
What media are you talking about Garry #384?
Shane Corcoran
386 Posted 13/08/2023 at 11:45:42
Garry, could you be more specific on your point? I presume you’re referring to Maupay?
Mick Davies
387 Posted 13/08/2023 at 11:49:24
What's with all this defence of Maupay? He's a striker, yet Tim Howard scored as many league goals as he has, and those defending him on account of his height, how much smaller is he than Michael Owen, or Messi?
He's paid to score goals, and paid extremely well, but can't do his job, so why is he continually picked ahead of others, who need to be given a chance before any judgement about age, build etc. Dyche is making a rod for his own back here, and with picking Keane ahead of a young man who's just spent a successful season abroad, and been part of an international trophy winning side. Keane's lack of awareness and bad positioning yesterday was shocking, against a poor side, and passing out with all the time in the world to the opposition was criminal - imagine this performance against City, Arsenal our neighbours etc.
We've persevered with certain players who we know, can't do the job we need doing, so please, just because it's a new season, stop defending the indefensible (pardon the pun), and accept that Keane and Maupay aren't good enough for us, or any team in our division
Bill Fairfield
388 Posted 13/08/2023 at 11:49:32
Nothing wrong with criticism of any player,but when it becomes abusive of them and their family members,then it’s out of order. Maupay isn’t the answer to Everton’s goals scoring problems,we all know it,Dyche knows it.
Don Wright
389 Posted 13/08/2023 at 11:52:35
I think Garry means the BBCs article. Everton have condemned the social media abuse suffered by striker Neal Maupay following Saturday's Premier League defeat by Fulham at Goodison Park
Mick Davies
390 Posted 13/08/2023 at 11:53:48
Bill, if Dyche 'knows it' then why does he keep selecting him? There are other, untried options
Bill Fairfield
391 Posted 13/08/2023 at 11:57:24
Mick,I wish I knew the answer,I’am as perplexed as you.
Mick Davies
392 Posted 13/08/2023 at 12:01:47
Bill, what a joy it is to be an Evertonian (not)
Tom Bowers
393 Posted 13/08/2023 at 12:01:57
It is Everton's fault that the goals are not coming.

Bad board, bad managers and bad scouting have brought in a plethora of poor players particularly up front. Apart from, Andy Johnson, Tim Cahill, Lukaku and Richarleson what we have seen in the last 20 years has been abyssmal to say the least.

We all knew the situation hadn't been rectified before the new season started but we all hoped that we were good enough for at least one goal.

Just how many times last season did we see this type of game and although they did create and miss several good chances you somehow knew it was going to be Deja Vu all over again.

Maupay will never be a prolific scorer and wasn't at Brighton but his good chance early was superceded by an even better chance a few minutes later which Doucoure scorned.

That should have put Everton in front and as luck woud have it they paid the penalty late on.

Everton are relying on the Maupay/ Doucoure offense but it will stutter.

I don't think DCL will make a big difference when fully fit (if ever) but I thought Everton looked best early when Iwobe was raiding down the left but missed the support of McNeil.

When you play quite well against an average outfit like Fulham it is galling that you lose and not even score against them.

Oliver Molloy
394 Posted 13/08/2023 at 12:07:31
There is having an opinion and there is personal abuse which is completely different.

If Maupay's effort in the first thirty seconds had gone in, I reckon he would have scored at least another one.
Doesn't change my opinion, that long term he's not good enough for us, but as I said yesterday strikers thrive on confidence and had that gone in he would have been on cloud nine with the relief of scoring in front of a home crowd.
Doucure terrible miss and not passing for a certain goal and Patterson's shambolic effort were much worse than Maupay.
Dobbins might get a start ahead of Maupay but Cannon won't in my opinion - not with Dyche in charge and the system he wants to play.

Eddie Dunn
395 Posted 13/08/2023 at 12:10:19
Maupay's problem is that his first touch isn't very good. When he receives the pass he takes an age to release the ball to a mate.
His low confidence leads him to wait too long before pulling the trigger.
Doucoure also delayed his shot long enough for Leno to stretch out that leg.
Patterson snatched at his chance too.
All symptoms of a side that know goals are so important and are very hard to come by.
Mind you, Domenic may be a good target man and able to leap like a salmon, but I honestly woud have had little confidence in him doing any better than Maupay or Doucoure in those situations.
The only difference is Domenic enables us to relieve pressure, gives us an "out" ball, can run at pace and bring others into the play.
If little Maupay was playing off the big man, he might get the tap-ins that he needs.
What I did notice yesterday was that we tried to pump crosses in and I don't recall any attempt to play through the middle.
Watching Iwobi float -in those soft-ass balls to little Maupay makes my head ache.
At least we created plenty of chances. Something we weren't doing last season(Brighton apart).
Paul Tran
396 Posted 13/08/2023 at 12:18:17
The only reasons I can think why Dyche keeps picking Maupay is that hes a pest that works his socks off, that once he gets one goal, the floodgates will open, that he simply doesn't think Cannon is ready to be chucked in, or that Cannon is being preserved for a loan and much-needed fee.

I'd give Cannon a go.

And a personal view, its not 'free speech' to hurl abuse at a footballer and his family on social media. It's cowardly 'hard-man' nonsense that says more about them than Maupay.

Frank Crewe
397 Posted 13/08/2023 at 12:25:36
We cannot blame Maupay. Both Lampard and now Dyche insist on playing him even though he has only scored one goal since he arrived. If he refused to play we would be on his back even more. All our problems stem from our failure to either buy or produce a proper striker while choosing to place our faith in a striker who is completely unreliable due to chronic fitness problems and isn't particularly prolific when he is fit.
My only complaint is why keep picking Maupay on the basis of his experience when he isn't scoring any goals at all? We have younger strikers in Cannon, Dobbin and now Chermiti so even if they don't score either at least they are gaining experience. Not to mention it will take Maupay out of the social media firing line. Maybe even stick Keane up front. At least he would give the oppositions some height and muscle to contend with.
Simon Roberts
398 Posted 13/08/2023 at 12:25:37
I think that we all recognise the team needs new players, but what players would want to come to a club where, at the moment, there is a very hostile minority toward club and board?

There are simply no easy games, we are one game in and already I am beginning to see traits that are not acceptable. Dyche and the team must be given a chance.

Dale Self
399 Posted 13/08/2023 at 12:35:05
Paul Ferry, you are really Yanking my chain with those Dyche quotes ;)
Raymond Fox
400 Posted 13/08/2023 at 13:22:44
We conceeded the late goal because we were pressing for a winner, I've no problem with that.

Maupay wasn't bought to be a lone striker, their goalie had a good game, he kept them in the game.

Maupay gets all the flak, but who else of ours looks like scoring? I thought Onana would be more of a goal threat than he's shown so far.

We'll be okay when the team is strengthed, another couple of decent players will see us mid-table, our general play was good till we got to the penalty area.

Okay, we have to start scoring, that's obvious, but as usual, our two biggest threats are on the sidelines.

Eddie Dunn
401 Posted 13/08/2023 at 13:34:58
Did anyone see who Dyche was shouting at to "Join in"?
Joe McMahon
402 Posted 13/08/2023 at 13:36:16
Raymond, no he wasn't… but the theme of Everton and one isolated striker upfront has ruined many. James Beattie was a good player ruined by Moyes not playing to his strengths.
Jim Wilson
403 Posted 13/08/2023 at 13:46:44
You can write a list of what you want the manager to do and a list of what you think he will do and it is almost a cert he will pick the list of what you think the manager will do.

Garner was excellent in the centre of midfield with Gueye at the end of last season so play him there and keep Iwobi on the right with Danjuma on the left.

Maupay has no confidence in front of goal. Tom Cannon has, so play Cannon and he just might have got a couple of goals yesterday.

I would also have gone with Branthwaite over Keane.

And if Calvert-Lewin is near to full fitness, Villa is not the game to play him; yesterday was.

Throw in yesterday's disgraceful corrupt refereeing and it is all déjà vu. We need the manager to be on top form to break this horrific stranglehold that has gripped the cub for more than 2 years.

And as soon as the transfer window opened, we should have brought in the best experienced striker who was willing to come to us, so while we were trying to bring in others, we had someone who could have done a temporary job of holding the line for us and help fill out the squad.

Alex Gray
404 Posted 13/08/2023 at 13:51:51
I don't agree with the threat he got to his mum, bang out of order, but we can absolutely blame Maupay for yesterday. It was his fault. The lad's contract should be terminated as playing him any more is just encouraging this sort of behaviour.

Reality is the club are to blame for leaving us in this position for 2 years. The manager is to blame for consistently playing him expecting a different result and the player is to blame because he can't score from 2 yards out.

Ray Smith
405 Posted 13/08/2023 at 13:56:33
I would consider cashing in on Iwobi if we get Gnonto and Harrison.

Why is Iwobi stalling on signing a new contract for the last 12 months?

Kevin Molloy
406 Posted 13/08/2023 at 14:09:12
I don't expect the lone striker to score a lot of goals. I just want him to hold the ball up, present options and bring other players into the game. Maupay did that yesterday, so I've no problem with his performance.

He didn't miss any sitters, their goalie was in good form, thems the breaks. Yesterday was just unlucky. Let's face it, Fulham scored a pretty good goal, I don't roast anyone for that.

Raymond Fox
407 Posted 13/08/2023 at 14:10:55
Alex @404, have you watched his attempts to score again? Their goalie saved them. Maupay didn't miss the goals.
What about the other players upfield with him, are you going to terminate their contracts as well?

It's easy to say 'he should have scored' like some of the 'experts' on TV also do, but in reality, they're half chances – or not even that.

John Kavanagh
408 Posted 13/08/2023 at 14:42:28
The news of Maupay's selection deflated the fanbase quicker than a Chinese spy balloon and he performed exactly to expectations. However, venting off on forums is one thing, but abusing the player on his social media accounts is quite another. Unforgiveable behaviour. How's that going to help attract new players or improve Maupay's confidence/performance?

Those responsible should be banned, but it comes as no surprise that the actions of a handful are being used as yet another stick with which to beat the fanbase by Chairman Bill's agit prop organisation. Now, there's someone who really deserves more than a bit of stick.

We can only hope for better luck next week against a Villa side who are reeling from a heavy shambolic defeat. However, of all the 19 teams to choose from, who wouldn't pick Everton as their next opponent in such circumstances? For defenders it's like an afternoon off. But here's hoping that we can still get 15 points from the first 9 games to keep us out of relegation/points deduction trouble come October.

Christy Ring
409 Posted 13/08/2023 at 15:35:31
Maupay isn't the answer, especially as a loan striker, his first touch is poor. But he was unlucky yesterday, the keeper rushed out to him twice, to close down his efforts.

On the other hand, the two easiest chances were Doucouré, who should have squared the ball to Garner for a tap-in, and Patterson hitting the crossbar when he should have buried it.

We desperately need a target man and a right winger, as Garner is being played totally out of position, he's a central midfielder. Play Onana as defensive midfielder instead of Gueye, and Garner the playmaker.

Eric Myles
410 Posted 13/08/2023 at 15:35:55
Gerry #384,

"North Korea comes to mind when the media try to stop free speech."

Where were you during Covid? North Korea had nothing to do with the stopping of free speech, during or since.

Eric Myles
413 Posted 13/08/2023 at 15:39:17
Paul #364, did the Club have to employ Sherlock Holmes on that one?
Alex Gray
414 Posted 13/08/2023 at 15:44:41
Don't get me wrong, Raymond,

Doucouré's and Patterson's chances yesterday were inept they don't escape blame, but let's not make excuses for Maupay please. The lad is shite.

If yesterday was a one-off then sure these things happen but the lad has missed sitters throughout his career. Yesterday they were sitters and a semi-competent striker scores at least two of them.

Once again, I don't agree with the threats but he's paid to score goals and the reality is he's utter dross.

Paul Hughes
415 Posted 13/08/2023 at 15:46:41
I agree that, generally, Garner had a good game. But he bears significant responsibility for the Fulham goal – he didn't just lose his man, he was in a different postcode to him.

He is playing out of position, though, and it's not his fault that Doucoure didn't pass to him for a tap-in.

Eddie Dunn
416 Posted 13/08/2023 at 15:46:46
Christy, I totally agree. Garner has all the tools to run the show. I loved those two little nutmegs yesterday. Not sure if Garner would have been onside had Doucoure squared it though.

I got the impression that Dyche had told Onana and Gana to stay deep for obvious reasons. Without McNeil, Iwobi was our main creative threat. It's a waste, as Garner could cause problems.

Garry Martin
417 Posted 13/08/2023 at 15:51:32
Eric Myles @ 410.

Who mentioned "Covid", and I'm struggling with your question "Where was I during covid?" Oh and by the way, my name is Garry, not Gerry.

Have you been hitting the bottle, mate?

Alan J Thompson
418 Posted 13/08/2023 at 16:09:54
Eddie (#416);

Garner would have been onside as he was behind the man with the ball, Doucoure.

On the Maupay matter, I think it was Mike Gaynes who wrote when we signed Maupay that we will be surprised at his ability to miss sitters; correct me if I'm wrong, Mike.

Alan J Thompson
419 Posted 13/08/2023 at 16:16:56
Garry (#417);

Don't get upset because Eric hit the wrong key, just call him Ernie.

I keep making the mistake of calling Kieran Keiran as I was sure that the rule was i before e except after k.

Steve Shave
420 Posted 13/08/2023 at 16:17:57
Ray @405,

"Why is Iwobi stalling on signing a new contract for the last 12 months"?

Err, because he plays for our shit show of a club.

Because, despite him being our most creative player for two seasons, we don't appreciate him and bitch about him at every opportunity.

Because he can earn a fortune off a free transfer elsewhere when his contract is up.

If we can get £10M now, I'd take it.

Paul Tran
421 Posted 13/08/2023 at 16:34:13
Steve, I said a couple of weeks ago our best chance of selling Iwobi was to a Saudi club this summer. It's the only place where he'll get better wages.

Otherwise he'll run down his contract and leave in the summer. The damage was done when we gave him his contract in the first place.

Paul Tran
422 Posted 13/08/2023 at 16:47:24
I meant sell him to a Saudi club this month!
Derek Knox
423 Posted 13/08/2023 at 17:12:27
What about the Criminal Incompetence that has been The Board for years?

I was reading that it cost £7M to compensate Barratt-Baxendale, Ingles and Sharp, and it would be even more to dispense with Kenwright!

He should be made to pay back the money he has filched out of the Club he purportedly claims to love.

Slimy Greedy Maggot!

Ray Smith
424 Posted 13/08/2023 at 19:45:11
Steve 429


Brian Wilkinson
425 Posted 13/08/2023 at 20:27:41
When you have Tony Bellow saying it does not sit right with him the Chairman's seat empty, simple solution:get him out of the Chairman's role.

Or, instead of leaving the seat empty, do the decent thing and have a ballot for non-season-ticket holders on the club's membership and season ticket waiting list to be drawn out for the seat, or donate it to EitC charity, and let them arrange for a fan suffering through the cost of living crisis to have a chance of attending a game.

He would then gain an ounce of respect from me in doing the right thing.

Kevin Molloy
426 Posted 13/08/2023 at 20:31:17
I've just seen the club's statement about Maupay.

What on earth are they doing monitoring the sewer that is social media? Do they really think online communications can be policed?

It's like standing in the gents and reading the graffiti, and then releasing a statement saying how appalled you are.

It's that idiot chairman again, making the fans look bad. Virtue signalling bellend.

Jim Wilson
427 Posted 13/08/2023 at 21:12:00
Anyone making vile comments on social media should be ignored by users and banned by the company concerned.

And it should be noted that the person making the vile comments can be anyone, like a trouble causing red. And there are quite a few of them on Twitter.

Kieran Kinsella
428 Posted 13/08/2023 at 22:32:37
Whatever happened to that Gbamin fellow we spent £30 million on a few years ago?

I know he was whingeing about returning but is injured, in Niasse style lockerless limbo or officially AWOL?

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