Talk of a move for Lingard wide of the mark

Jesse Lingard to Everton on short term 6-month deal. Player has links to Ian Woan with family connections. Player expected to be on Merseyside tomorrow morning for a medical.

From Romano, but I'll reserve believing it until seeing it, he was very good loaned to West Ham but what happened at Forest? He didn't even feature. If his wages are low enough could be worth a gamble as he can score and create from around the penalty box.

We need someone who can score goals. Dyche's and Thelwell's recent signings, Beto and Chermiti, aren't cutting it.

Thelwell said recently it would be a quiet window and to ignore media speculation. We're broke. In more ways than one.

Pat, we ain't seen enough of any of the new arrivals though to be fair, and how could they be any worse than Calvert-Lewin?

I'd rather Dyche start the new boys.

Newcastle apparently want rid of Calum Wilson. I'd be looking at a loan till the end of the season. He's a goal scorer. I think he'd get us between 8 or 10 goals.

Talking of goal scorers, I saw Tom Cannon get on the score sheet for Leicester the other day. The lad's a natural scorer. He will score goals in the Premier League next season.

Why we sold him, just to get Beto and Chermiti in is anyone's guess.

Lingard offered very little to Nottingham Forest last season and has hardly played since then. He'd probably want quite big wages and I'm not sure he really deserves them.

I think Cornet from West Ham would be a better loan and Dyche knows him well.

I'd like to see Chermiti given more time or if not then loaned to a Championship or Portuguese team, he's looked interesting in a few of his appearances.

Paul #5.

Premier League v Championship.

Brian, he's a natural goalscorer, doesn't matter what league he's in. We will regret selling that lad. His movement and awareness around the box is better than anything we have now.

For me, I'd offer 6 months, and low wages based on his record over the last 3 years.

Interesting to know why West Ham didn't seek to keep him, perhaps on performance versus value on wages. Since then he hasn't hit a barn door. But give Dobbin a try?

The young Portuguese lad needs to go on loan, to get experience and match fitness and hone the nark, to get sharp in the box.

Lingard is going to Dortmund.
Pointless even discussing him.

Dave,

Sancho is going to Dortmund. I've not heard anything about Lingard.

Paul...

In answer to your question — could it be, possibly, that we are clueless? Just throwing that in as a wild guess.

You are being too hard on yourselves. These windows are always full of red herrings. I have often doubted your offerings but clueless is a bit harsh for this type of speculative entertainment.

I'd be surprised if we get anyone in, even on loan.

777 Partners have said, if they haven't been given the all-clear to buy the club by the end of January, then they will stop loaning the club money.

Who pays the bills then?

Paul @11.

Your right, my stretch of nights working in AED have turned my brain to soup.🤣🤣

Paul (5) and (7) I think all the deals last summer were driven by financial considerations. The club pocketed a straight profit for the sale of Cannon as they did for Simms.

The transfer fees for Chermiti and Beto were on the ‘never never'. So on balance, the deals left the club in a better financial position, at least in the short term. I hope!

Lingard

No, no, no, no just no!

Apart for a short spell when Moyes got a tune out of him he has not produced the goods.

John # 16. Completely agree.

And the Jury is still out on Tom Cannon. He took his two goals well but he's still got a long way to go. Chaplin and Smodzics and many others are performing well in the Championship but they are unlikely to deliver in the Premier League.

The real issue is that if, you want someone who is first-team ready, you end up with Beto. He's a circa 8-goal-a-season striker and a handful without being classy. We can't afford better.

If you want a talent, then you get a Chermiti – who could develop into a much better player than Beto. But you have to be patient (and accept not everyone fulfills their potential).

Sadly we are at absolute rock bottom financially – worse than Luton and much of the Championship. So very unlikely we'll do any business.

I know Sean Dyche has often said what a good job Kevin Thelwell is doing and has done given the circumstances. But when you look at the players that have come in since both have been together, there seems to be a disconnect between them both.

I think it's safe to assume that Kevin Thelwell was the main driver in securing Beto and Chermiti and we also know from what he said when we took Danjuma on loan that he was a Thelwell recommendation. I also think it's safe to assume that Sean Dyche was behind the signings of Young and Harrison.

Given that we are a club who didn't have a lot to spend, to then spend £28M on Beto and £13M on Chermiti and both hardly having many minutes under Sean Dyche seems very strange. Yet the 2 players who cost nothing Young and Harrison have been regulars when fit.

Also, Tom Cannon was sold to Leicester and Lewis Dobbin (despite scoring a few weeks back) hasn't had a look in since.

Brian # 9,

Chermiti did not cost £13M. He cost about £1.8M up front and then up to a further £9M depending on contingencies etc. He has been bought as a talented player to develop (like what Brighton sensibly do).

Selling Cannon hasn't robbed us of goals because he wouldn't have played – being behind Beto (who cost £21.5M with almost nothing paid this season) and Calvert-Lewin.

Brian #19, you do a whole lot of assuming.

Just your hunches or is there anything behind it?

Well, as usual Everton are part of the rumour mill and as usual connected to misfits everywhere. Par for the course for beggars who cannot be choosers.

Why is Lingard not with any club after a good season with West Ham? And that question begs an answer.

Is he better than what we have? He has experience but so did Dele Alli.

I suppose any short-term loan deal might be okay if it helps Everton get through this season in one piece.

We have some promising youngsters who I am sure are chomping at the bit to strut their stuff but obviously as always the big names are first on the team sheet. Are Beto and Chermiti that poor they cannot get a start?

Tomorrow can be their opportunities and I really don't think it matters if we advance in the Cup when our Premier League survival is once again on the line.

Tom - who are the promising youngsters?

Early on let's dispense with the slander of Everton being linked with ‘shite'. Until Thelwell is reported to have interest by someone like Alan Myers it is cheap talk and nothing more.

Stop trying to work up some new way to slag Thelwell and Dyche out of some constipated inability to admit you were dead wrong about them both.

Tom, there are a lot of promising young players regularly starting.

Patterson (22). Mykolenko (24), Branthwaite (21), Garner (22), Onana (22), McNeil (24), Beto (25). Dobbin (21) waiting in the wings.

That's 7 first-team players on or under 25. Even Calvert-Lewin at age 26 is far from ready for the scrap yard.

It is a young team.

I guess 'young' means untried teenagers? We don't seem to have many who are ready for the challenge we are facing.

Out of shape: ✓
Over 30 y/o : ✓
Legs gone : ✓
No pace : ✓
High wages : ✓

Then this club is the right fit for you.
Welcome to Everton.

Lingard is a definite no from me. I think he is finished as a Premier League player and his wages at Forest were just obscene.

I would like for Danjuma to be given some more playing time as he has an eye for a goal. I am not sure why he has been out of favour, other than maybe he doesn't fit the Dyche mould. I hope we can hang on to him in this transfer window as we won't get anybody better.

Danjuma, IMO, hasn't been given more minutes because he doesn't work as hard as either McNeil or Harrison on the defensive side of things – and with Dyche, that's very important.

Brian #28, I think that's about right. With Danjuma in the side we might have scored a few more goals but accrued fewer points.

The other thing with Beto and Danjuma is that they're not that good unfortunately. They add really good depth and cover – and will get goals too – but they wouldn't be nailed-on starters for many Premier League clubs at all.

Tom (Bowers),

I read someone else saying the same thing yesterday I think it was: "We have some promising youngsters who I am sure are chomping at the bit to strut their stuff".

Who are these "promising youngsters" who need to be first-team ready to make a splash?

Forget Lingard, as we need goals, so go for the lad at Wimbledon... Al-Mahamidi, scoring for fun at the moment and only 21 and a Scouser too!

No, just no... especially at his wages.

Just had a look at Al-Hamadi, Billy. Transfermarkt said he moved from Iraq to Toxteth when he was 1 because of the war.

Having a cracking season and scored a good variety of goals (many of which he makes for himself through hard work). Nice story that he's bounced back after being released by Swansea – and seems to be drawing interest from the SPL. Could he be our Jamie Vardy?

Depends for me how badly Lingard wants to re establish himself as a professional football player.
Looks to be carrying a lot of timber to me.
Only way I'd touch him would be on a pay as you play deal,but he would have to get fit first and there's not really enough of the season left for him to make an impact,so it's a non starter for me.
Paul @14
As to who pays the Bills after January,Moshiri still owns the club,isn't it down to him to cough up,after all it's his investment that will go down the tubes if the club goes into administration,or maybe I'm being naive again!

He couldn't secure a deal in Saudi Arabia because of his money demands. In Saudi Arabia. Enough said.

I can't see Dyche sanctioning this.

Not sure Lingard is the answer.

I've been thinking about what type of player we need

in the transfer window.

Obviously Dyche likes all outfield players to close down quickly when defending as standard.

I do feel though, Danjuma still might be the ideal profile. My inkling is that I don't think they got it wrong as he has a record of scoring goals at different clubs. Maybe he needs a run of games. Look at Richie at Spurs, he's now off and running. I think Danjuma has quality, and it will be only a matter of time as he's getting a bit closer each time he's on the pitch to scoring a decent goal. The pace and confidence is there, just needs one to go in.

I'd like Thelwell to bring in another finisher as the priority, as the team keeps producing chances. Maybe another number 10 to alternate with Doucoure. With another good finisher in the squad or on the bench, the squad will look very decent if he can do the same as Doucoure. Having Beto helps a lot and having a decent alternative number 10 would likely be pivotal to keeping the goals flowing.

At the end of the day, only goals are important and improve goal difference in each game. No need for the squad to bring in bodies who look good on the eye like Traore did at Wolves, but can't finish goal scoring opportunities often. They won't do anything to the goal difference.

It might even be better if 1 very good finisher was brought in and Dobbin played more rather than 2 good Premier League players who can't finish chances.

Ridiculous. Another one Everton let get away.

Tajon Buchanan has joined Inter. I posted on here one a few years ago he was good. Sleeping on the job Thelwell. ;)

Buchanan, very good shout Kieren @ 39.

Looks a great talent. Another one missed like Kudus of West Ham recently.

A few fans on here are asking for Danjuma to be given more game time, watched him v Crystal Pal. on Thursday night, very good for the first twenty minutes then he faded, at the start of the second half I was honestly looking to see who had come on and replaced him he was totally missing from the game and did very little until he was replaced after Dominic was red carded.

Why are Villa Real off loading him, why didn't Spurs use him very much after he went there in January? I'd say because he floats in and out of the game, will get you off your seat now and again but frustrate you most of the time.

He might get used more now if Dominic's red card is overruled, I'd prefer,if it's possible, to get rid and bring another player in.

I agree with you on Danjuma Dave. He had a good and lively first half but then went missing.

I don't like to be too judgemental too early, but he needs to show more consistency.

Your nemesis, Onana had a good game by the way! Another that needs to show more consistency.

But young James Garner must take a bow. Quietly goes about his business. Puts a shift in but great on the ball.

Let's not talk too much about Branthwaite or the hawks will circle if they already aren't.

Danny (42), Danny Onana is not just my nemesis there a quite a few who are wise to his faults, yes he had a good game the other night because he got involved a lot more than he usually does, he stunk last Saturday versus Wolves, as you say consistency is not his strongest point. Doucoure and Gueye were missed in those two games especially Doucoure.

The team lacks goals and someone who can break the lines. We haven't got a pot to piss in so that narrows the market down.

It would be a short term fix but that is where we are as a club. Does anyone think we can keep hold of Harrison for next year? 90k a week? Suppose that depends on Leeds coming back up and if we can lessen the wage bill.

Lingard is worth a punt in my opinion.

We need midfielders, he can play wide or through the middle and has quality to score.

There are doubts over his fitness and attitude but I am sure if he appeared on trial Dyche and co would soon identify any issues.

How long is McNeil out for? Danjuma is a lightweight replacement. We need senior pros in that midfield. I can see Coleman or young getting more game time than danjuma just on work rate alone.

I also don't get the criticism of Thelwell or Dyche. The team is better than last year, spending less and coping with all manner of issues including the 10 point deduction yet we are still in with a good chance of staying up.

There are always ones that slip through the net. The academy pays for itself but I question the lack of innovation and ingenuity. We are 4th choice for kids in our own city so need to be ahead of the curve coaching wise to develop talent.

Dave 43

Like you I am not a fan of Onana but for me that was his best game in a blue shirt, didnt misplace a pass and used his size to impose himself, first time I have seen a glimpse of that before. I said before he got injured that if Doucoure did get injured we would struggle and sadly that's been the case. Our whole game plan seems to be to hit it up to DCL and for him to hold the ball up till he gets support which Doucoure does provide. But other than play Beto alongside DCL we don't have anybody with the strength and athleticism of Doucoure to play that role.
I thought Danjuma had a good first half and went past his man more than Harrison has all season, yes he wasnt involved in the 2nd half but I think thats because Dyche seemed to swap him and Harrison so Danjuma wasnt effective in the 10 role.

Very pleased to see Coleman back still head and shoulders our best right back, also delighted with Virginia we haven't seen much of him but he certainly did his cause no harm.

Dave # 41, why are Villareal offloading Danjuma? Same reason they let go of Dia, Jackson, Chukwueze and Pau Torres, I expect. Financial problems. I'm sure they'd have been very pleased to keep a player with 22 goals in 51 appearances for them.

Should we get rid? It seems very unlikely we'd be able to bring in a better player in January, so makes sense to keep him for the remainder of the loan (but like Harrison I doubt we'll sign him permanently).

Rob # 44, I wouldn't be averse to Lingard joining if he's fit. He's not brilliant but he offers us an option in the attacking third.

Unfortunately options are extremely limited because of our own financial difficulties.

Probably the most encouraging rumour is of a loan move for Ndiaye of Marseille (formerly Sheff Utd). But he's in slightly poorer goalscoring form than Danjuma - and in a weaker league (1 in 15 compared to Danjuma's 1 in 12).

Lingard flopped at Forest and couldn't get a game, there doesn't appear to be a queue for him and, apparently, he favoured Forest over us when we were linked with him.
So either he's asking for silly money or he's crap now. He did well at WHU but they don't appear interested so you have to ask why.

Hopefully, McNeil won't be out for too long. Given our finances, we are not in a position to take too many punts on players. Lingard choose Forest over others due to the deal on offer. He hasn't kicked a ball in anger this season.

Barkley would have been a better punt at the start of the season not that I was advocating his return back then.

Let's keep our nerve and go with what we have until the end of the season.

Robert (46), Are you happy with Danjuma's performances up to now, I know he hasn't played much but his application to the game when he comes on looks half hearted to me, not bad when he gets the ball but doesn't go looking or fight for the ball, I prefer Harrison's attitude and application to the game even if he is annoying at time losing the ball.

Dave # 49, no I'm not satisfied with Danjuma's performances or contribution. But with no money to spend its very difficult to improve on him.

Despite being lacklustre (especially without the ball) he is a goal threat in every game - and with better luck (more composure) could have about 5 goals now from not a lot of game time.

So worth sticking with on loan but I don't think we should (or will) buy him in summer.

Robert (50), Fair enough, spot on with lack of composure, he definitely could have had a few assists if he only took the time to look up and centre the ball.

I would go all out to replace him for a more robust player who is a team player, there must be someone out there and that is more in your field Robert than mine!

Danjuma is quicker than Maupay and has a harder shot on him. When one goes in, he should get a few in the 2nd half of the season.

He doesn't hide or look like someone short on confidence. Worth persisting. Some players can crumble if it doesn't work after a few games.

Everton aren't the idiotic, soft-touch club it was a couple of years ago. Whether by choice or by circumstance (the two idiots at the top being gone), we aren't buying rubbish anymore, and we are shedding our big wage earners.

If we do bring Lingard in, it'll be on a short-term deal, not unlike what Luton did with Andros Townsend (who, incidentally, I really wish we'd retained, but understand why we didn't).