Pickford in goal for Lee Carsley's final England game – a big win

Or does this not matter any more?

Poor from England. No spark to break Ireland down.

That Collins is decent. Ireland well set up. Kane hasn't touched the ball. I'd bring Ollie on for the spiv.

But will any England manager drop either of these two, or Mr Gobby aka Bellingham? I doubt it.

Perhaps a muzzy too... and a beard too... Oh and maybe a pair of shades

England were running out of ideas, but how Ferguson didn't get a penalty in the first half is still a mystery.

O'Brien might have to go out on loan until we get a proper manager who knows how to develop players.

He might get the Irish gig though.

Wouldn't be my first choice but, the more I think about youth development and some of the crap/sharp stuff on the Kean thread, I do wonder if he might not be a shrewd pick. Mind you, we don't have much luck with hard-boiled eggs.

Because, let's be honest, outside of that group, there isn't another side in the Premier League who will be giving us as much as a passing glance!!

I'd take Carsley instead of the dinosaur that is currently masquerading as our ‘head coach' in a heartbeat!

It didn't come off but showed that the public are not always right. Southgate wasn't daft and never did it but he was too safe for us to win anything.

Won 5 out of 6 which is never easy at any level. Had to cope with all the call-offs, which he did with aplomb. Lee trusted wingers more and it paid off.

Great job, Lee. Passing on a much better crop of players for Thomas Tuchel. Good luck back with the U21s.

An Everton shoo-in.

And I'd take Carsley any day over Dyche.

Come home!

Our new owner's list of potential managers could be 100 names long and it wouldn't include a guy whose entire club managerial career was 24 interim games a decade ago.

Possibly a lower league appointment at some point but I reckon he's quite happy going back to what he was doing prior to the limelight.

My dream ticket as we approach a new era in the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, would be a Carsley - Baines managerial team. Leighton is making great strides with our youth, I believe he'd relish the challenge of promotion to first-team duties.

Considering the millions squandered by previous big-name managers and the laughing stock that Everton has become a totally fresh approach is needed. As former teammates, Carsley and Baines are modern young coaches hungry for success. They have the respect of their young charges at both club and international level. Their combined talents could prove to be the springboard for a new successful era, not seen since the halcyon days of the Kendall - Harvey combination of management.

There was a time, not that long ago, when it was certainly not a requirement for English players or managers to sing the National Anthem. It was a personal decision that was not questioned. It was immaterial and went unscrutinised by the media.

In actual fact, if people review recordings of international matches, Cup Finals etc from the '70s, they would find that the majority of players stayed silent when the National Anthem was played.

In a democracy, it is perfectly justifiable that the decision to sing it or not, should rest with the individual. Sadly nowadays, it seems that people are discriminated against for refusing to sing it.

You make a great case and I'd certainly like to see it happen.

I can't see it though, a) because of my comment above and b) with our American big time Charlie new owner, I'm fairly sure he'll bring in a name.

Finally, plenty on here have voiced their opinions on finally getting rid of the 'jobs for the boys' thing with the old regime and until your post I've tended to agree.

I am getting worried about the Jake O'Brien situation, I must say. If he can't get into a defence with – let's be honest – Championship-level defenders, what are the prospects of his breaking into the Everton team this season, as mediocre as we are?

Just a mention for Everton Women, beating the RS 1-0 at Goodison yesterday, but no match review here on TW: they are struggling this season, but a very welcome home win.

It just shows you the shambles that the IFA is now, after the revelations of recent years. O'Brien appears to have a problem, but the management of the team has been on a downwards trajectory since the clowns of the O'Neill and Keane era.

There is no comparison between Ireland and England International teams now. Though England got a lot of decisions in that game.

Ireland don't have a single player who'd be anywhere near this England squad. It's often only once England get to the quarter finals of a major tournament that the opposition start to become more comparable on paper.

At Everton, it would be completely different. So it's very hard to know what Carsley could achieve in those circumstances.

It would be a big risk without him having some experience of club football elsewhere.

Indeed so, mate. There are some talented players in the Ireland squad, but, as you say, the FAI need to get their act together.

England, on the other hand, seem to be reaping the benefits of the St George's Park development path, and look strong at all levels.

I thought he was faultless.

Got the FAI and IFA mixed up. Ireland need a reset and to recover from the hangover of 'A Tragicomic Farce unfolding' at the FAI.

England are benefiting from St George's Development path and Carsely has been part of that. But the Lancaster Gate crowd will want a name, with political skills and some football skills. They would not want to take the risk on Carsley.

Now it seems that we all have to be patriotic but there is more about loving your country than believing in a Monarchy. The same can be said for the ritual of taking a knee. To not take a knee would make a player a target of all sorts of accusations but of course taking the knee does not mean that you are not racist, nor does not taking the knee mean that you are. This is all reflecting a new intolerance.

Personally, I dislike the pretend Koran reading, bible reading, crossing of the chest, and the looking up at deceased relatives after scoring a goal.

Do the players really think that the previous generations of billions of the dead are peeping through a gap in the clouds?
Football is best without politics or religion getting dragged into it.

We'll never know how it would have panned out against 11.

Apparently, he qualified for Ireland because of an Uncle; mind you, I suppose that is better than the Jack Charlton days, when you could qualify by drinking Guinness.

Scales was given a second yellow for the penalty, not a straight red.

Carsley cannot be judged any which way for these last few results and it remains to be seen what the new guy does and how they fare against really good teams.

They need a settled formation to prepare for the next World Cup and all the chopping and changing is not good.

Yes, very dodgy penalty, but then Everton Women will take any bits of good fortune right now?

He's on record as saying he is looking forward to going back to coaching the England U21s.

As for the singing the national anthem debate, whether on here or somewhere else, England needs its own national anthem.

They play the UK anthem. the other nations have their own. Ireland even has two!!

The Welsh one is the best.

Also delighted for Carlsley, puts a weight of expectation on Tuchel to pick a team, rather than a bunch of primadonnas.

Also delighted for the Everton Women, absolutely stonewall penalty, if the officials give it, then it's a penalty. This is the interpretation of the rules as used at Anfield since the '60s so is all good for me.

Not only is Tuchel not English but I don't think he will do any better
than Carsley would have done. Perhaps the FA have done
Everton a favour.

I think we could do a lot worse than offering Lee Carsley the job. I don't believe he would have to think too long either if offered.

Now whether TFG would even consider him as a candidate is another matter for conjecture!

I love a good theatrical flourish of a card me. This fella squeezed in 5 in 12 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwomjq0sFxQ

Robert (41): possibly the keeper who let in 5.

Danny (51) and others: I would prefer an anthem that is about the country not a fucking king or queen.

I forgot how hilariously disturbing Kane’s statue is. It’s getting dumped somewhere in Waltham Forest, I hear. I remember that the plan was to put it in Chingford Station. Norman Tebbit territory. Would have been perfect for the spiv.

JP now has as many caps as Gordon Banks. Not bad for someone who can’t control his box/area, He’s made that position his own (just listening to Sutton saying that JP is the only nailed on starter for the first group game in the next world cup). He’s seen off all the pretenders: Pope, McCarthy, Henderson, Johnstone, Ramsdale. But, as Danny said, we should sell him if the right offer comes in.

JP, in my opinion, is not in the same league as Ian Walker, Albermarrie Swepstone from Pilgrims and Corinthians who scandalously was capped just 6 times, and don’t get me started on John Maynard from First Surrey Rifles (who went to school with Dave Abrahams) who got one second-half FFS, even though he kept a clean sheet and completely dominated his box/area.

Totally agree re the second yellow. Not a deliberate foul as I saw it and the rule guidance these days seems absurd, never mind the fact that it killed the game from any excitement level.

And I have to concur re the statue – I've got to say it does him justice – looks just as moronic as the original version.

Yes remember him, Mayno to his mates, I wasn't one of them, he was another over-rated player, better than Pickford though!

When I saw you touting Ian Walker as better than Jordan Pickford, I first thought you were referring to the son of our erstwhile sun bed-loving manager.

On the topic of price, who was that other Northern Irelabd kid we let go who looked a bit like Rooney around the same time Price left? I remember he was capped for them shortly thereafter.

https://www.irishfa.com/ifa-international/squads/northern-ireland-senior-men

I forgot that he was that Walker's lad.

Mr Walker has been in Cyprus lapping up the rays and looking like a smoky bacon crisp for a quarter-of-a-century after a meaningless little stint managing Αθλητικός Ποδοσφαιρικός Όμιλος Ελλήνων Λευκωσίας (Athletic Football Club of Greeks of Nicosia) in 2000: his last job.

Correction: Cambridge

When I click on ToffeeWeb it takes me to the site, but when I click on certain posts it comes up bad request, yet lets me on other posts like this.

Try refreshing or do a reboot.

It's annoying but, when that happens, if I click on the browser address bar and bring up the full IRL, then delete the 'www.' bit, and press [Enter], it usually works.

Can't explain!