Everton and Man Utd given new penalty verdict as ex-PGMOL boss steps in

Well said and perfectly put.

The referee has the final say — Yes/No????

I suspect the top clubs now have yet another team on their side.

I would also like to see referees attend after-match press conferences; unfortunately VAR would be too far away although they do have a link to the ground by which they communicate with match officials which should be made audible to the fans.

And it's about time Everton grew a pair and stood up to voice concerns over such events.

It wouldn't make a blind bit of difference if Everton "grew a pair".

Moyes had his say in his post-match presser and put some idiot reporter in his place as regards the penalty.

These shower already hate us so can you imagine it if the coaches and players suddenly spouted off how hard done by we were? (We were, by the way.)

We'd never get another decision. That yesterday was as stonewall as it gets. I'd left by then but having watched it over and over, I'm convinced these bastards hate us.

Anywhere else on the field, it's a foul, so I can't understand for the life of me how he reversed it.

Corrupt.

It seems that on Saturday the PL equivalent of the NY officials decided what to show the official on the pitch and at no point was the match referee able to demand to see video he wanted to see, only what those at Stockley Park wanted him to see.

Perhaps our US friends can confirm this difference in protocol.

We should be asking how VAR viewed the film, release of all audio and why the Ref was shown only the one view of the incident and of course how these officials are appointed to which games.

If there's anything inefficiency and corruption hates it is being highlighted as that is usually just the beginning.

It's a terrible decision by VAR, but it's not surprising at all. VAR isn't there to reach the right decision. Show me anywhere in their rules that say that's what they're trying to do. They don't care about the outcome, they care about following their rules. Even if it produces an absurdity.

Does anyone remember the Liverpool Spurs VAR cock up? The words "Well done boys, good process" were uttered. That just sums it up to me - they delivered the polar opposite outcome to the one they were supposed to. Then when they realised what they'd done, the VAR said "I can't do anything". The rules didn't allow them to. So they hid it.

I remember people on here laughing at that lot while I was trying to make the point that the referees had shown what they were about. I even got accused of defending Liverpool!

Wrong outcome, but the process ruled. Every football fan should have been absolutely outraged at what happened. But they weren't, until something went against their team...

We've now been screwed over by a VAR technicality. Maguire didn't do enough to concede a penalty. One was never awarded for the foul by De Ligt. Young's fall didn't match the impact from Maguire. It's pretty obviously a penalty but the process has been followed and the penalty denied. "Well done boys, good process".

Oh the name of our (non) communications director is Peter Kenyon

Also note he spent 4 minutes trying to find fault with Beto's goal.

VAR could have cleared that up. But instead they went with "sorry, we have to take your first answer" and then not only reviewed it that way, but deliberately hid any angle that might have swayed the referee into thinking that he actually made the right decision in awarding a penalty.

We should be outraged at that. All football fans should be.

But no-one except Evertonians care. Just as no-one but Liverpool fans cared when the VAR team and then PGMOL cocked up and then tried to hide what had happened.

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All four commentators said "Oh, that's a penalty. De Ligt pulled him back!"

There was a bit of discussion, did he pull it for long enough? Did he make a meal of it? Consensus of the four: Narh, that's a penalty.