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Not Nil Satis?Quis Satis

By Peter Fearon :  24/08/2007 :  Comments (164) :
So the votes are in, it?s Yes and we?re off to Kirkby within three years. The ?Yes? voters are celebrating and can?t wait to dance in the ruins of Goodison ? along with tens of thousands of kopites no doubt. It?s pathetic that a club that holds a motto that speaks of ?Only the Best?? would associate itself for decades to come with a cut-price third-rate stadium in Kirkby. We should change the motto today to ?Anything Will Do.?

I can still afford some wry amusement at the knowledge that, when it becomes apparent that this project is the disaster some of us think it is, the people who voted ?Yes? will be among the very first to complain about every detail. Then, of course, you won?t be able to find anyone who will admit to voting ?Yes?. Just as you can?t find anyone today who?ll admit admiring Walter Smith, despite all the base hostility directed at fans who criticized him on this and other sites.

I truly hope all our fears about this stadium are baseless, that it produces revenue not debt, and all goes well in the future for that former Liverpool club known as Everton FC. But I will never understand why so many of my fellow Evertonians chose to tear Everton out of Liverpool and worse, Liverpool out of Everton, for a dismal prize such as this. For Kirkby. To sell your soul for the whole world is a bad bargain. But to sell it for Kirkby!

When Goodison comes down, you should all be ashamed of yourselves. The ones who cry the loudest crocodile tears ? like Kenwright ? will be the ones who helped bring this dark day about. I for one will never forgive my fellow Evertonians. You have committed an act of gross vandalism and self-destruction which has every kopite cheering ? not just today?s ? but down all the generations.

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Luke Brooks
1   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:15:44

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I couldn’t agree more Peter...once Goodison is gone, it’s gone forever and I will be broken hearted. Goodison is a massive part of our history, the jewell in our crown, and Evertonians have chosen to walk away from it. I just wonder if in years to come we will still sing about our history on the terraces; they’ll be a fair few two-faced fans if we do. Forget MK Dons, we are the Kirkby Blues.
Richard
2   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:25:01

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Get over it. Its 3 miles not 300.

A ground is a ground not the club.

And actually I did think Walter had his moments. Sunderland 5 - 0, West Ham 6 - 0. There were some terrible times but it was not all rubbish.
Steve Stott
3   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:24:45

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Get a life. Third rate stadium - based on what. Even now after the vote you are still spouting the same baseless lies.

Why don’t you No voters have the grace to admit that the democratic process resulted in overwhelming YES vote.
Julian
4   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:24:39

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I fail to see how making inflamatory comments like

"The ?Yes? voters are celebrating and can?t wait to dance in the ruins of Goodison"

helps anyone. It’s an insult to all the yes voters who will have agonised over this decision. Nobody will be happy to see Goodison go, yes voters included.
jim mcmahon
5   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:23:39

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Nobody is going to be dancing in the ruins of Goodison, it holds great memories for all of us. But we need a ground that provides income for 365 days a year, with modern facilities and leaves us with little debt. Liverpool could not, or would not, provide us with that. To anyone that knows the area Kirkby is part of Liverpool. Now is the time to act maturely and stick together and look forward to us being back where we belong.
kevin sparke
6   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:31:24

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I feel exactly the same way Peter...

N OT H A P P Y
7   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:31:20

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59% is hardly overwhelming now is it???

Ian Roberts
8   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:29:47

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How self-righteous!!
Who on earth do you think you are to pass judgement on the verdict of the majority?
And how can you possibly hope to expect anyone to believe "I truly hope all our fears about this stadium are baseless" after making your pre-judged statement "when it becomes apparent that this project is the disaster some of us think it is".
Simple self-satisfied nonsense.
Oh, and by the way, I voted no. And lost the vote. But I can handle that without having to invent some unmerited sense of superiority over the majority of my fellow Blues.
Greg Murphy
9   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:36:06

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Well said, Peter. You can hold your head high in future and say you did your bit. I valued all your contributions highly.
Rob B
10   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:25:50

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Hopefully now this emotive issue is out of the hands of the ordinary blue we can remember Goodison and cherish the next few years.
Kirkby will (most likely) be our new home, and it will prove a successful move.
I just always felt that it should be for something more exciting. I’m not excited about it. 40% of voters feel even less excited, and what is it 20% ?? so ecited they didn’y bother to vote.
I really don’t understand the vitriol of those who feel they have won. Nor the comments about how much they can’t wait to leave Goodison "glad to see the back" etc. Don’t go to Goodison for the next 3 yrs. You’ll find Kirkby even more exciting then.
chris roberts
11   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:37:00

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The ?Yes? voters are celebrating and can?t wait to dance in the ruins of Goodison ?

Oh for fuck’s sake grow up and if 60-40 isn’t a large majority I’d like to see what is.
efc fan
12   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:24:35

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Great article your right. Those who voted yes should be ashamed, not that they will ever own up to it. While the rest of us will have to live with their stupid decision for years to come as Liverpool become the only tem in the city. Using goodison as a car park no doubt.
Steve Lyth
13   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:39:32

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Well said Pete, we need to move but Kirkby will be a disaster.
Steve Stott
14   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:35:56

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Neithers a 40% No or less than 30% eligible to vote didn’t want to move to Kirkby. I think the desire to move is pretty overwhelming. Just move on.
efc fan
15   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:43:04

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And alot of people didn’t even recieve a ballot, and guess what? the majprity would have voted NO. Nice the way they do the count behind closed doors.
Kevy
16   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:37:35

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10,000 odd votes not used what a waste people like myself and thousands of others who couldnt vote something not right there!!
will mitchell
17   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:39:01

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Very well said Peter.
It’s the grave flaw in democracy that there are too many dickheads in existence.
ryan crest
18   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:39:44

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KEIOC - after all that hard work.

You were beaten into 3rd place by the ’CAN’T BE ARSED EITHER WAY’ vote.

You must be gutted.
Rupert Sullivan
19   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:42:24

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Peter,

I don’t think anyone will ’celebrate’ the end of Goodison, but I do agree with you that the motto should read ’Anything Will do’. I understand the emotions but not the vitriol...
David Moyes
20   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:38:10

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Message on hold:

Use your proper name or don't comment. Simple. ? Ed.

Colin Hodgson
21   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:39:06

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Goodison, and the memories generated by the team and the fans at this once magnificent stadium, will never be forgotten... but we have to move forward as one; fans and club united together, if we are ever to be successful again. And by success, I mean cups, titles and european trophies!

The democratic process is now over so i pray and hope that the fighting/sniping stops - clearly, from the many comments posted today, it’s maybe a little soon and the emotions are still running high.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum - it’s as much up to you and the club!

PS. The club are still advertising available tickets for this weekend, but the game’ll never be a sell-out, because there are only obstructured views left
Tony
22   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:38:15

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Every Everton fan i know will be gutted to leave goodison but the facts are there I’m afraid. The stadium is decaying and in 3/4 years time will look like a garden shed at the bottom of the Liverpool FC garden with their mansion looking down on us.

The sites offered to us by LCC are simply not good enough with no funding to help. Kirkby is as scouse as anywhere as far as I’m concerned and I don’t live there. So people like Stubbs, Baines and Gerrard aren’t scousers hey? Get real and lets move on together.
Gary Swale
23   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:40:42

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Okay Peter - so democracy only works if you’re on the winning side? Come on, get over it, for goodness’ sake!
Literary blue
24   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:40:56

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efc fan. How can we take anything you say seriously? It’s you’re not your and what’s a tem?
Get over it we are moving, and not that far away either, to a place with a decent communications infrastucture where I believe we will go from strength to strength.
Get behind the club, this is a crucial season and they need all our support not bitterness.
Dave G
25   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:41:59

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When we play that horrible bunch from across the park, is it called the Merseyside Derby or the Liverpool Derby? Yes, exactly. As long as Everton is still on Merseyside I couldn’t care less if it happens to fall just outside some token, invisible boundary. The important thing is the future of Everton Football Club.
Brian Baker
26   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:44:18

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I think post Liverpudlians would agree that Kirkby is part of Liverpool as would the residents of Kirkby would tell you. Just because Knowlsey CC collect the garbage its not the end of the world.

I for one have been an Evertonian for nearly 40 years, and after a 3 mile move down the road to a new ground in Kirkby I will still be an Evertonian.

Even though I live down South now, I used to live in Aigburth just south of Liverpool town centre and have friends in Kirkby who are a selection of Reds and Blues and all scousers.

So lets move on to our new home in Kirkby, Liverpool.
COYB.
Phil
27   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:47:44

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Goodison was once a great stadium.

It is now sadly a dump.

The NO voters need to move on and keep quiet, otherwise, they will disrupt what has been a great start to the season.

efc fan
28   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:53:04

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we are now just the same as tranmere, not a part of the city. not only that we’re getting a cut price stadium attached to tesco’s. So all you yes voters can pick up your groceries before the match. Well, I hope your happy, I know Mr Wyness will be as he has convinced you that we dont need to be part of the city. So well done for surrendering to Liverpool.
Chris Banasko
29   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:36:39

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I agree with most things that you say yet feel thats its a bit harsh on the YES voters. Its a sad day leaving Liverpool but three miles is forgivable. God, when I think about the Kings Dock now...its so frustrating!

Personally, the stadium looks awful, it makes me cringe when I look at the shites new ground then look at ours - we have sold ourselves out on this one but I dont cast my blame entirely on the fans. Everton F.C. have been very clever in marketing this and preying on the naivety of a lot of fans. The board has not done enough to keep Everton within Liverpool. According to the BBC today Liverpool City Council mentioned that they are ’upset’ that were leaving - not good enough. The council should be ashamed that they did so little!

The shite fans will be happy with this one with all of their ’One City, One Club’ talk but remember...’We dont care what the redshite say, what the f@%K do we care....’.
keith piper
30   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:57:33

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To the ’Yes’ voters - Father forgive them for they no not what they do.
Phil
31   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:57:51

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efc fan.......think your name may be wrong, however.........

I haven?t given in to anyone, I am old enough and bright enough to look at the facts and vote.

If you don?t like the results, piss off and rename yourself.
John
32   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:28:23

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Don’t tell me you’ve never moved house. It’s the same family, just a different home, that’s all - not a complete demolition of the foundation of everton football club. And whatsmore - this won’t be the first time we’ve moved, and look who’s currently residing in our old ground! Who’d want to live in an old pokey house that’s falling down when you can have a brand new country mansion on a minimal rent for 999 years? If you are unhappy about the result then you should blame those who were too apathetic to send their vote back - they are a larger minority than those who voted against the move. Those who voted in favour did so with the best interest of the future of the club in mind. Memories are not made of bricks and mortar - they are the heart and soul of the people who remember. MOVE ON!!!
David
33   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:55:28

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Will Mitchell,

The dickheads you talk about are those who don’t accept the decision of the majority - clearly includes yourself.
Tom
34   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:00:24

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Another pathetic fan. Enjoy the games from your filthy couch, or sulking over a warm pint in the Wimslow, while the rest of the real fans out there go to the game and support the team no matter what
efc fan
35   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:01:16

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Phil, you’re easily lead by spin. that’s your problem. Won’t stop me being an evertonian, nothing ever will. But all as those who voted no want, is the best for the club. We don’t believe a move to kirkby is the best for the club. I hope you remember this in 10 years time.
Alan Cunningham
36   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:53:25

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This is a truly depressing day.

I know that the Kirkby option may seem comparatively inexpensive and "deliverable" but the price we will pay if we go to Kirkby will be in those things which are difficult to measure but which we all hold so dear. If you will, the X factor that is Everton.

The Park ’n’ Ride schemes, the Trafford Centre type traffic jams, the soulless walk to Kirkby Town Centre to get two trains home, swapping the Winslow for Frankie & Benny’s and swapping "goin’ the match" for the Sky Football experience.

I know that fans are desperate for a new stadium and I want to move too. The answer, however, is not to move out of town. The answer is to move into town and use the benefits, infrastructure and atmosphere of a great city like Liverpool rather than an overspill town on a non-descript junction of the M57.

If we can’t find a way to do that right now we should sit tight and hold our nerve until we can find a way.

efc fan
37   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:07:29

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Well phil, atleast it’s clear my nose is blue. fact is we want the best for the club. I don’t believe that is a move to kirkby. Don’t think you can really blame me for my opinion.
Louisa
38   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:51:47

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Totally agree. Goodbye culture, heritage and a home in the city where we belong. Hello to Kopites owning the city, fanbase erosion and settling for less. Supporting the club just wont quite be the same and I’m totally dissilusioned with my fellow evertonions. I had more faith in them and now I just don’t feel the same respect and affinity with them. Totally let down.
Gertch
39   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:11:28

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I think the senseless murder of a young boy puts the whole stadium debate into perspective. Any other Blues agree we should set up a fund to provide financial support to the Jones family & to do something to rid Liverpool(& everywhere) of pointless gun-toting gang culture’
Alan Ryder
40   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:07:22

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Efc fan. That’s an unusual name! Or are you too ashamed to own up to your own comments?
MP
41   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:04:45

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Dear Lord, the facts are undeniable WE HAVE TO MOVE to maximise revenue and keep up financialy with other clubs in our bracket.

Kirkby while not ideal in some ways is the only solution at the moment, there is no alternative site that is realistic. The Loop is a no no due to its size and the lack of ability to have a car park and extra earners for the club.

People who voted Yes have not sold the club down the river nor have we given our soul to satan, we have just made a decision based on the information we had available.

Everyone should now shut up and get behined David Moyes and the team. Everton is not just a ground its the Team, Manager, Fans, History, we will still have all of that when we move.
fordy
42   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:05:25

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What the yes monkeys do not realise is that they are just custodians of the club. This decision affects generations to come. The short term gain of moving to the kirby cowshed will see a withering of future support. Ask yourself how can the peoples club come from out of town, shame on you!
Mike
43   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:08:12

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I’m absolutely gutted...........
Let’s just hope that this is a wake up call for LCC and that they pull something out of the bag.

"Clutching at straws"
Les
44   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:08:21

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You say you hope all the fears about the stadium are baseless, and that it produces revenue, not debt.
I say, dont tell lies. you would love it to fall flat on its face.The reason?, because just like everyone else who is bleating and whingeing about the vote. You are not a true evertonian. You call it a Third rate stadium, what are you basing that on? Grow up, and as i said to the other fool earlier, go and watch the reds, they love people like you.
efc fan
45   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:18:21

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I think everybody who voted no would genuinely love kirkby to work out, I know I would. But the reason we voted no is we don’t think it will. Hope it does because it’s looking a done deal. But Les, remember that just because somebody voted a different way to you, doesn’t make them a kopite. They voted because they care about the club.
BlueMersey
46   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:20:10

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The white flag has been waved. I’m emigrating.
Bee eater
47   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:59:06

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Steve Stott, have you ever looked at a proper new stadium? You might be for the move to Kirkby but don’t kid yourself that the stadium will be any good.
The mockups on the club website just show a tacky rendering of an uninspiring and outdated football ground which is clearly aimed at getting the cheapest possible construction job done. It is on a par with Southampton’s or Reading’s ground, but arguably not as attractive in having the ever ugly open corners (which, don´t kid yourself again, will never be filled in).
We all love Everton but just because the club’s marketing garbage goes on about be "state of the art" doesn´t mean you can´t question it. I would have voted NO if I’d had a vote, but I might have felt better if the proposed stadium were something special, an icon, a focal point in itself, but it won’t be. It is not good enough for Everton.
Les
48   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:16:54

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Efc fan,
You say a lot of people didnt recieve a ballot, and that if they had, the majority would have voted no.well come on then, lets hear how you arrive at that ludicrous claim.seeing as the vote was 60-40 for a move.Or perhaps the ten thousand that didnt bother voting would have all voted no as well? It doesnt bloody matter where we play, we are everton, always will be.And if you really do support the blues, move on and support them.....stop bloody whingeing.
karl
49   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:24:17

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this site is becoming worse, just forget it and get behind the team. Its like a propaganda hotbed!!!
efc fan
50   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:26:39

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all you yes voters are very touchy. Reading NSNO I think it was yesterday, one of their editors hadn’t recieved the vote and there were many like him. All eligible, never recieved one. Wonder why the vote was closed aye? If nothing dodgy was going on what was the problem with doing an open count? Would have put doubts of our minds. Everton have left themselves open to criticism.
karl
51   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:30:03

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efc fan. who killed JFK? Your conspiracy theories are great!
BlueMersey
52   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:28:22

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I didnt get a vote because I’ve been priced out of going to more than a few games a season, but I would have voted NO. I’d had a season ticket for twenty years, but didn’t get a say. Most of my mates are Blues and in similar situations and ALL of them would have voted no. who’s to say this vote was the majority opinion?
Bee eater
53   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:31:18

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karl, it was those you’d least expect it to have been.
Steve B
54   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:17:05

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Can’t really argue with a democratic process, 59% might not be overwhelming but it is the majority vote (and by the people who put their money into the club week in/out, especially season ticket holders)...so 2 choices.

1) Accept the majority vote and that at least we got a chance to vote unlike any other European club that has moved. Get behind the decision and make it work for the best of the club.

2) Argue the decision thus making the barriers needed to be overcome in the process that little higher which will do no good for the club.

People might not like it but EFC is the fans and what we make of it, not where we play.
loz
55   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:32:24

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Agree bluemersey, 25,000 people is not the majority of evertonians. Karl, I guess you voted yes? well instead of making personal comments, why not share your views?
stuart bailey
56   Posted 24/08/2007 at 13:47:54

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Let?s stay at Goodison and rot, No voters, move with the times. New Ground, more money, taking one of the best football histories in the world with it. If they decided to put Everton on Mars I would get the shuttle there. A true fan will always support Everton no matter where it is; can not wait to see the back of Liverpool as the city has done nothing for us ever. Kirkby is now Blue 4 Ever! I have lived in Kirkby all my life and was born in Liverpool, my Dad moved to Kirkby in 1956 from Scotland rd and my Mum is from the Bullring, so don’t give me that Kirkby is not Liverpool and we are not scousers, I speak better scouse that probably anyone in Liverpool. Who cares about LFC or Liverpool we are called Everton? I will always have a big place in my heart for Goodison and that?s where it will stay and I will move that passion and love to Kirkby L32 L33. Come on you BLUES!
Matt Geraghty
57   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:33:54

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I support Everton football club, not Goodison park.

Stop bleating.
Phil Smith
58   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:14:36

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I’m a self confessed old cynic but not obsessed with conspiricy theories. However when the vote was annouced, I said to my dad that it was just Kenright’s way of saying he did what a majority of the fans wanted by moving us to Kirkby. I told him that there would be about a 60-40 vote in favour of the move because it would be enough of a convincing mandate to move without it being suspiciously large a margin. I was wrong only in that there has be some suspicion about 30% of the votes not being cast on an issue this important. If your one of those people who had the right to vote but didn’t I for one would like to know why I can’t believe you just couldn’t be arsed?
Colin McC
59   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:14:55

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I voted yes on the move. I would have prefered to redevelop goodison or maybe even move to a different site but I had to make my vote based on the information to hand. I read all the Pro-Move information, I then read all the Anti-Move documenation and made my choice with this all going round my head.

The loop plan is just a fantasy thrown together without addressing some of the core issues associated to it. We currently dont have anything like the money that would be needed to make the loop idea a sucessful plan, also we would need to buy and re-develop big chunks of land around the area (and no matter what you say, land is very expensive).

I am a lifelong evertonian and season ticket holder so for you to make such a broad sweeping comment like "?Yes? voters are celebrating and can?t wait to dance in the ruins of Goodison" I find plain insulting.

It will be a very sad day when they start to take Goodison down. Rest assured that I would rather see us with more money and more prospects 4 miles down the road (past an artificial boundry) than left to rot and wallow in the shadow of Liverpool’s new stadium wondering "what might have been"
karl
60   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:34:49

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Loz, my views are that nobody wants to leave our spiritual home. But nessessity has proved we would die there. Bill and Buster know more than all of us put together regarding the financies of ALL proposed moves, and they have decided that Kirkby is the best option. They run the club, they have worked tirelessly to get into that position and in my humble opinion have brought the club forward hugely.
The new home will be great, I dont care where it is as I support everton and (as someone said before) not goodison park or liverpool city boundaries. So I voted yes and I am glad I did! ok?
Billy Moore
61   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:32:03

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Another Blue obsessed with what the kopites will think & say , does my head , this is about Everton FC and whats best for us, whether it be kirkby or not
BlueMersey
62   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:35:47

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Maybe its my own fault that I didnt get a say for not being middle class enough to afford a season ticket these days. The way the ballot was arranged said to me that if you dont have enough disposable income then your opinion doesnt matter. Its like being under the Tories all over again.
Karl
63   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:39:09

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Phil Smith. My question to you is this? Are you saying the ERS is bent?
loz
64   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:39:10

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I’ll support Everton wherever we go, but listening to skysports news theres new season ticket holders who were promised a ballot. Never recieved one. I wouldn’t trust Wyness as far as I could throw him. £600,000 a year salary?
Eversteve
65   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:31:07

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OK To me, the Kirby thing is unfortunately a done deal, however much I dont like the result. We are going to Kirby and thats that - so COYB. But on Peter’s comment of ?Anything Will Do.?, I actually tend to agree. OK Kirby / Tesco - maybe not so bad when you get used to it, but if this new stadium is to take us into the next 50 / 100 years why dont we do it properly. Build a stadium, not designed on some standard German artifact, but one state of the art - a bigger version of the Arnhem Vitesse one http://www.gelredome.nl/publiek/index.asp and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelredome for instance that can hold huge concerts along with UAFA matches - have all the mod cons including a closing roof + they extract the pitch outside for optimal growth - we certainly have enough room for that in Kirby. The concerts and other things are a money spinner and the pay back time on the extras required to do this would be relatively minimal (I would think). If were going, which we are, please please can we have a proper stadium.
Pete C
66   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:28:07

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Total over reaction or as Joe Royle would have said "dummies being thrown out of the pram"

To turn things around - those that are "no" voters and do not accept democracy, will you only be half cheering if things go swimmingly well, will you admit you were wrong?
I think that all the drivel being dragged out about that non-starter "the loop" has actually turned no voters into yes voters as it is quite obviously less suitable than Kirkby.

Enough of the whinging - now let’s get behind the team and stop all this "I am right" pathetic posturing, GROW UP.
karl
67   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:44:49

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Loz, that isnt his salary, he is on about 250000 and last year he recieved a load of backpaid bonus’. He is on a big wage but how much do you think the Chief Exec of Sainsbury or Waitrose or BT or Ford earn? They are top companies with massive turnover, just like EFC, we are a big business and we need to attract the top people to run the club. You have no reason not to trust him, he has never given you any reason. People missed out on the votes but i doubt 9000 no voters were missed!
BlueMersey
68   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:46:17

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I agree Eversteve, its not so much relocating that upsets me, its the shit ground that they are going to build, completely uninspiring. Everton crowds are as intimadating as anyone on (certain) days and I’d like our ground to inspire a bit of fear aesthetically as well, not look like they’ve knocked it up out of Meccano. At the very least I hope they point the floodlights in the right direction.
Tim Naughton
69   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:43:57

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Sometimes you have to make the hardest decisions for the things you love. Kenwright is only looking after Everton and letting go of the grand old dame of a stadium in order to do what’s right for the club.

We’ll all miss Goodison and nobody will be dancing, but I for one am relieved that this opportunity has been wasted through self interest.

Well done all who voted and shame on those who didn’t.

Peter Jones
70   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:37:34

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The Everton board would have been unable to move the club to Kirkby without a vote. Think of the abuse and internal strife there is now and multiply it by your own factor. They performed the old political trick of offering only their option and then suggesting it was your choice. And let’s face it most of us fell for it. The fact that 15000 odd voted for it does not mean that I will stop thinking it is a bad idea. I do not pretend to know the future and accept that I could be wrong. I will however be looking at the target dates. If the 2010 season starts to slip then that to me will be the first sign. I had the King’s Dock as my wallpaper from the first day it was announced. How many of us have the Tescodrome on our screens. The idea of a prestige site walkable from the city centre seemed to me to enhance the club; the loop might have done the same. I do not think that this proposed move will. I also think that the chairman has presided over the most barren spell for Everton in my lifetime as well as two of the most gloom-filled moments there have been, the sale of Rooney and the collapse of the King’s Dock project. Today makes a third.
Ed MacDonald
71   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:32:29

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We know for a fact this will be 3rd rate because we have seen the King’s Dock and New Anfield. We are settling for less.

1st rate = great location, great design

2nd rate = great location OR great design

3rd rate = neither of the above

We are moving out of fear. I’m disappointed in some people’s lack of fight and ambition. But we will get the stadium we deserve.
BlueMersey
72   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:51:12

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For example, why isnt the lock up incorporated into the ground design? Its good enough for the Megastore, but not the ground? Rediculous.
loz
73   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:49:00

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I have had problem three years in a row when renewing my season ticket. I don’t like him, his figures don’t add up. Support the kirkby move or not there are alot of unanswered questions, and inparticular about his dodgy calculator. Not enough information has been given to the fans for the ballot. I’m not saying 9,000 no voters were missed, but does it not bring the ballot into doubt if votes WERE missed? reduced majority. Fact is Everton have definitely left themselves open to criticism. Just out of curiosity, why does Keith Wyness deserve an extra £35,000 in bonuses? For selling the clubs assets? The CEO of a company like BT has a different job than the CEO of a major football club.
Warrington Blue
74   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:54:57

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There is no point going on about it, the fans have voted to move and thats what will happen.

I personally am glad its showing the board want to push on and take Everton to the next level.

The decision has been made stop complaining and get behind the club!
Tim K
75   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:52:59

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Kirkby gets closer every time I see it mentioned - now only 3 miles away from Goodison.

Well it’s actually 5.4 miles from Goodison and 9.7 miles from the city centre. In fact it’s only 15 miles from Wigan!
loz
76   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:55:36

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I mean an extra 350,000
BlueMersey
77   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:56:12

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i agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Its my opinion that the Yes vote is cowardly. No other options were fully explored because of the exclusivity period. I think a lot of the yes voters need to grow a set. Just my opinion like.... thats democracy for you
Zac Jones
78   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:58:44

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you couldn’t write a more pathetic article, we are fans of a football club and not a city
karl
79   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:56:50

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Loz, The job isnt that different, try to make the business as efficient as possible. Thats what he is doing. COmpanies sell their assests, they also buy new ones (e.g. yakubu). He deserves his bonus’ if he hit targets that were agreed at the start of the year eg raise turnover, find partners to go into a stadium venture with etc etc who is to say the missed voters would vote no anyway, chances are ti would probably have been a 60-40 split!
BlueMersey
80   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:02:13

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Zac mate, for a lot of people the two go hand in hand
Ian B
81   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:06:06

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People seem to be neglecting the issue that this new ground design looks distincly dull, average and bog standard. 4 Seperate stands???? Cheap, cheap and very cheap.
No matter where its built it will look crap when compared to every other new stadia (ie the RS and Portsmouth)

We’re about to spend 30m on players this season.
If we dont spend that amount next season (or the season after) we could use that extra money for the long term benefits of building a quality imaginate stadium that we could all be proud of!

60% have taken the feed and sold us short.

Gutted
Robbie Shields
82   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:03:07

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Peter, I find your comments offensive, devisive, petulant and childish.

I voted YES because I believe it is the right decision after weighing up all the arguments for and against the move. I am still hopefull that LCC can come up with an offer to match the Kirkby one INCLUDING a financial package to pay for it, the pressure is on LCC now to pull their preverbial finger out and come up with a concrete offer like the one from Knowsely, if they don’t then at least I haven’t condemned Everton to stagnate and decay in Goodison for the next 10 years, watching our best players being sold to pay off our debt as Liverpool’s new ground grows before our very eyes.

Saying that the Yes voters can’t wait to dance on the ruins of Goodison is sickening, I love Goodison as much as the next Evertonian and infact wrote a piece on Toffeeweb a month or ago explaining how much it meant to me and how much I dreamed of it being rebuilt over time. Unfortunately I have to live in the real world, which I do without being bitter or spiteful to those who have a different opinion to me. How you can say that you will never forgive your fellow Evertonians is beyond me. We have all made one of the hardest decisions in our lives but with the best intentions of the Club we love at heart. If the vote had turned out NO then I would have supported the majority and gone along with the decision even though I would fear for our future status in the top flight (Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday anyone!)

At a time when a fellow blue has been murdered whilst playing the game he loves in the street, we should all be pulling together more than ever, not posting derogatory comments about fellow Evertonians who simply have a different opinion than yours. I believe all Evertonians are special and that we will take that with us wherever we go, your comments make me wonder though.
Phil Smith
83   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:56:58

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Karl, I’m not saying the ERS are bent. I’m just saying that its inconceivable to me that so many presumably passionate Evertonians simply couldn’t be arsed voting.
Karl
84   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:04:22

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Ian b

WHAT!!!!

Dont spend on players?? If we did that we would have a spanking new stadium and use it for our League 2 games against shrewsbury!!!
Paddock Boy
85   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:02:08

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Peter, As a ’No’ voter, I can share your disappointment and I ave concerns for the future, but let’s have a bit less vitriol in your comments. I know many ’Yes’ voters and I know they will not be dancing on the grave of Goodison, at all. They say they voted with a heavy heart, but used their head. I might not agree, but I know there will no dancing in the streets from the vast majority of fans. At least you don’t appear to be in Rupert’s ’spit your dummy out’/’never going to Kirby, ever, ever, ever...’ crowd (see the other current thread), so you still retain my respect - just ease up on the churlish comments a bit. Find a local pub serving a good pint or two of ’Cains’ tonight, and drown your sorrows (it’s what being an Evertonian’s all about!)
Ian B
86   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:09:07

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Karl,

You obviously dont have faith in Moyes current batch of players if you think we are heading for league 2 in the next 2 seasons

Think about what your saying please!
Gareth
87   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:01:22

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A message to all yes Voters.
You have all fallen for it hook line and sinker. Print this off and keep it - Kenwright will be gone within 2 years of the stadium being built with a huge cheque in his arse pocket. Have you seen the interview with him on EFC.com - it makes me cringe just listening to him. He is making Peter Johnson look like a saint. This is a very very sad day.
Eversteve
88   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:09:07

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and to have another go at Ian B - that was what we were saying about the new stadim above.
Karl
89   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:15:22

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Ian B,

Name a good team that hasnt bought a player in two years?

Also name a team outside of the big 4 that has been able to hold on to its top performers for longer than 2-3 years? Possibly Newcastle at best, can you see Timmy and Mikel staying around if we dont buy a player for 2 years?

YOU think about it!!!
John Anson
90   Posted 24/08/2007 at 14:54:55

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The vote is a mandate for BK and crew to move forward build the stadium and sell their holding in the three years while the attendances are maintained.

The Everton we all know and love is lost. Time to change our name to Kirkby Town or Knowsley United and face up to our new found "small team" status
Paddock Boy
91   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:14:50

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Gareth - comparing Kenwright to Johnson! Don’t be a complete prat! Know your history! You’ve clearly forgotten ours - otherwise you wouldn’t talk such bollocks! Don’t lecture us on Everton’s heritage and Goodison Park, when you downplay where Johnson took the club!
thegoldenvision
92   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:18:01

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I voted yes and I’mhappy to stand toe to toe with anyone who tells me I am wrong.

I wonder how many people still kicking up a stink are more worried about ’surrendering the city to the reds’

Guaranteed their next home game they have some sort of ’humourous’ banner about us leaving the city, does it really matter.

We are Everton. We are not defined by that lot across the park.
Bee eater
93   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:14:21

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Compare the Kirkby plans with those of other clubs round the world on this website: www.worldstadiums.com (navigate to past and future) and check for yourselves. See if you can find anything as antiquated, or cheap as ours. Do Wyness and co. think we´re thick by telling us that Kirkby is "state of the art"?
ian B
94   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:18:11

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eversteve - i agreed with your post

Karl - Who said anything about not buying any players for 2 years??? read the post again please.
Karl
95   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:28:37

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Ian B, you said "if we dont spend the transfer money (the same amount as we have spent this season) on players next season or the one after that, we can use it for a new stadium"

I keep reading it, and it says the same as before. Or is it a different Ian b?
Karl
96   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:32:45

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ps not a direct quote but thats the basis right?
Gareth
97   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:23:07

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Paddock Boy, I’m not lecturing anyone. Arguably the biggest decision the club has had to make, BK has decided to do it under a period of exclusivity - how is that in any way shape or form going to benefit EFC ? He is lining his pockets just like his predecessor did. He is stating in his own words that "he is not architect but that the loop site can’t be done" This despite the Emirates contractors saying otherwise !!!! I’m not saying that any of the sites can be done but lets have a chance for other contractors and partners to bring their bid to the table. If he is that concerned about the decision being taken by the fans then lets have something to decide upon apart from his propoganda war. Getting the players and manager involved stinks. If it was the deal of the century it would sell itself. It is not and it does not.
leon
98   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:18:17

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Regarding the 30% who didn’t return their ballot papers.

People are chalking this up as a conspiracy. I think it is far more likely, that a number of other reasons are to be found.

Its the biggest holiday season of the year. People may return home to find their ballots.

People forget. People are lazy. People left it to the last minute and then could’t find a stamp etc.

Corporate seats and season tickets. When a business receives a load of ballot papers, they are hardly going to vote - what do they care?

Some may have deliberately abstained by not returning their ballot papers.

Remember the vote was done in conjunction with electoral reform services.

Seems above board to me.
Paddock Boy
99   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:34:57

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Gareth - that’s a much better contribution to the debate. I objected about the ’Johnson’ remark (for me he is still the anti-Christ!). As a ’No’ voter I share many of your concerns about the lack of a Plan B etc. I honestly don’t think Bill’s in it for himself, but we can agree to differ on that one
ian b
100   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:35:36

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Karl - lol. please dont incorrectly quote me or i’ll get my legal team onto you.

I said : "We?re about to spend 30m on players this season.
If we dont spend that amount next season (or the season after) we could use that extra money for the long term benefits of building a quality imaginate stadium that we could all be proud of!"

Where in that does it say we shouldnt buy any players for 2 years?
It is possible to spend significantly less than that, or even bring in players through Bosmans and loans etc.

By spending heavily we can save the money to build an amazing stadium
Eversteve
101   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:36:22

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Bee eater - Go a bit further along those lines though - now the discussion is what type of stadium we get. A new stadium is not always a good stadium. I hate to do this BUT compare this stadium http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N156492070725-1523.htm with http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0400evertonfc/0150kingsdock/tm_headline=everton-fans-vote-yes-to-kirkby%26method=full%26objectid=19682126%26siteid=50061-name_page.html taking off all the bright lights of ours and as sopme of us are saying - its just an update old fashioned 4 stand box.

Ed MacDonald wrote We are settling for less.

1st rate = great location, great design

2nd rate = great location OR great design

3rd rate = neither of the above

We are moving and thats that - NOW THE FANS have to make the club see sense and we have to have one of the best in the World, with all the extras. If your going to do it - do it properly
Pete
102   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:39:59

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FACT: The vote returned with a 59% vote in favour. Time to move on and accept the ?supporters? decision!

Lookin through all the threads since the vote has been announced its astounded me Everton supporters are avin a go at each other so viciously. Lets stick together and get behind the team and manager. At the end of the day its what they do on the pitch that counts!


Nigel Tilley
103   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:15:30

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"It doesnt bloody matter where we play, we are Everton, always will be.And if you really do support the blues, move on and support them."

Well said. Everton is a Merseyside club, Everton is an English Club, Everton is a World club. I will support them no matter where they play.

Everton belong to Evertonians NOT the City of Liverpool. A new chapter has begun. Turn the page and enjoy the rest of the book that you bought (into). I believe it’s called Everton Football Club NOT Goodison Park.
dingle blue
104   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:25:12

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promised a penthouse in the docks...given a council house in a ghetto. I have just lost the will... i bet a few thousand other (LONG TERM) real blues have to. Tossers!
Gareth
105   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:40:53

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Paddock Boy, Fair do’s. He’s the major shareholder and is swapping an assett worth approx £30m to one worth approx £150m. I’d be hard pushed to turn that down. It will repay the mortgage on his house anyway !!
ian b
106   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:43:39

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sorry that should read,

by NOT spending heavily
Gavin Ramejkis
107   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:38:16

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Jim McMahon did you fall for the KW statement somewhere along the lines which said the new stadium would generate alternative income? Why would a business go to a stadium in a newtown with very little besides a new retail park to offer with a City the size of Liverrpool awash with nice hotels, bars and clubs a mere 5.3 miles down the road and soon the one club in the city offering the one stadium and facilities in that same city, similarly ask the same question about concerts, ask the question of why did the attached hotel disappear, all answers point back to a second rate location.
Ray
108   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:28:54

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Today is a very dark day. I have to admit I have never really seen the benefit of Kirkby, not that I don’t realise that we have to move, but the whole proposition has always struck me as soulless, the proposed new stadium seems basic to say the least, there is no iconic architecture, nothing distinctly Everton, not that I want something like Liverpool’s new round.

They can have their brushed steel, and their American sugar daddy because they will be gone once the going gets tough in football and believe you me it will come once the impact of the internet really kicks in and the TV money starts to dry up.

You cant replace loyalty, tradition, family, neighbours and ritual, once its gone thats it. I feel we should stick at Goodison for the time being and truly become the peoples club and cast off the falseness of the premiership and become a family of Evertonians. Where will Everton be once we are out in Kirkby? Just another retailer? Where will be the soul, the guts of the club?

I tell you where, it will all be gone, sold down the river and I for one feel betrayed.
Allan Hounsgaard
109   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:49:21

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great article Peter, sums up my feelings.
The yes side says "move on and get over it". Well I can’t when my sentiments are that in general the yes voters are a bunch of misguided brainless sheep.

But then that’s only my opinion
Karl
110   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:55:39

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I give up, Im not comin onto these sites anymore. It depresses me as a blue. I always thought we were the supporters of a Football club, the non-glory hunters, the ones who took knocks and got back up again, rather than throw our tickets onto the pitch. Maybe this new premier league era has changed us as fans too. Well, thats it. Im only gonna look at transfer stories, what the manager says and match reports.

Ian B, I rather buy more good players at a premium than have a shiny new stadium and lesser quality or older has-been players
neil m
111   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:39:11

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"The ?Yes? voters are celebrating and can?t wait to dance in the ruins of Goodison ". What a pathetic comment. In an ideal world even the fans who wanted a yes vote would of referred to stay at Goodison. The old lady is showing her age and we need to move. I cannot believe your bitterness against fellow blues just because the vote is not what you wanted. We are moving 4 miles not 400. All blues should unite and look forward to a new era at Everton football club.COYB
ian demo
112   Posted 24/08/2007 at 16:10:25

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Everton football club..born 1878 in the city of liverpool..died 24 august 2007..r.i.p.
imran
113   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:37:17

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I used to be against the move. Not just to Kirkby but just leaving Goodison. I always wanted another tier on Park End. Would have increased capacity to 45,000 and we would have comfortably filled it. But the game has changed and stadiums are more than just places for fans to sit and support their team. In that respect we must move on and catch up with the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, United and even Man City. I will be in tears and totally distraught for god knows how long when we leave Goodison and it is torn down. I do not even want to think about that day. The images of the new ground are ordinary at best, and i am still not convinced by the whole deal. But the way the game has changed, it offers us a chance to remain competitve and attractive off the pitch.
imran
114   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:37:17

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I used to be against the move. Not just to Kirkby but just leaving Goodison. I always wanted another tier on Park End. Would have increased capacity to 45,000 and we would have comfortably filled it. But the game has changed and stadiums are more than just places for fans to sit and support their team. In that respect we must move on and catch up with the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, United and even Man City. I will be in tears and totally distraught for god knows how long when we leave Goodison and it is torn down. I do not even want to think about that day. The images of the new ground are ordinary at best, and i am still not convinced by the whole deal. But the way the game has changed, it offers us a chance to remain competitve and attractive off the pitch.
Eddy Bernard
115   Posted 24/08/2007 at 16:19:58

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I agree with Peter 100%

The Yes voters should be ashamed of themselves, i have mentioned on this site before that i didnt know what the panic was and why EFC could not wait to explore other alternatives.

I hope all the Yes voters have to go past Goodison on there way to work when it is being demolished and wander if they wont feel any guilt.

The only winners today are Liverpool FC I Bet there’s a party going on at Anfield right now.

john carter
116   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:45:02

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I believe that in an ideal world all evertonians would love to have a new top of the range stadium in the city boundaries. so why rush a move out of the city boundaries and throw away culture, heritage and a home in the city just so you feel we can compete with the top 4?? we dont even fill Goodison so why r we moving to a 50,000 seater stadium?? its going to look like a stadium full of shit fans half empty e.g wigan, Middlesbrough support. To all those fans saying that its only 3 miles, At the end of the day wheather it be 3 milles out or 300 miles its still out!!! (If a ball crosses the line then its a goal it doesnt matter if it nearly rips the net off its over the line its a goal) i just feel that all the "yes" votes could have been a bit patient and maybe waited for a site to arrive in the Liverpool boudaries. I think the reaction of the kopites tells you that we have made a BIG mistake R.I.P "peoples club" we r now the "People who will get bullied out club"
Barry Goffett
117   Posted 24/08/2007 at 16:27:16

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"The ?Yes? voters are celebrating and can?t wait to dance in the ruins of Goodison"

I doubt that very much!, all evertonians alike will not be celebrating the ruins of goodison, i cannot see how you could say this
colin malone
118   Posted 24/08/2007 at 16:34:02

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They were brainwashed and they did,nt even know it. Sad.
jr
119   Posted 24/08/2007 at 16:36:07

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It’s all very well waiting for a site to appear in the city BUT we would need to BUY it, then BUILD the stadium ourselves, all at GREAT COST which we CANT afford.
Unfortunately, as much as I don’t like it, they are the realities and the majority that voted can see that.
Now, lets get behind Moysey and the boys and give Blackburn a proper thumping tomorrow.
Bazza Collins
120   Posted 24/08/2007 at 16:28:06

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Are we the only club whose supporters tear themselves apart? We were given a vote, how many other clubs had this option, and a large percentage didn’t even bother so the "No" lobby were unable to provide a convincing arguement. A show of hands was taken in 1878 to move, what a wise decision that was, the History books were re-written on that day. We are not changing our name, Goodison will be always be part of our history,future generations might have to take the same decision we have just taken, Everton Football Club will live forever no matter where.
Michael Hackett
121   Posted 24/08/2007 at 16:31:13

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This webite is a shambles. Even after the majority of Everton fans say they agree with the move ye still continue to moan and bitch.

Have you ever heard of democracy, i.e. where the majority rules? Do you moan and bitch when labour wins the General Election and say the country is going to be in ruins becuase of it.

You seem to be taking some satisfaction in your false hope that it will be the destruction of Everton. If it does happen to turn out to be so it will be because of people such as yourself.

I don’t think anyone will be happy the day Goodison is gone but it is an old stadium that cannot be improved.

Did no one watch the last Arsenal game at Highbury. It was seen as a celebration that they were moving forward. Ye are seeing the progression of Everton as a move backwards for reasons I simply cannot understand.

Can toffeeweb not put up any possitive reations to the vote as an article. Or is it that ye are so bitter that ye have to always look at the negative.

The majority of fans will be rejoicing that Everton are continuing their move forward not the loss of Goodison.
stuart
122   Posted 24/08/2007 at 15:49:16

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And The Dingle is boss! It is a dump! Dingle Blue Kirkby is better than most parts of Liverpool, look around you. All these moaners have probably never been to Kirkby in there lives, or did 20 years ago. Some long term fans yours are. It is in black and white how good the deal is wake up! Can not wait until it is built, and it will shut all you moaners up! Don’t bother coming to the new ground if you feel this way, as you my get a nose bleed traveling down the road to a foreign country!
phil
123   Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:10:05

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The vote has been cast we move to kirkby. There is no other option ! Liverpool Council coudn’t organise a p*** up in brewery or a street festival! Let’s rejoice on a bright future for Everton FC.
Jack Curtis
124   Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:22:04

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I do not believe it is over yet. I know that protests are not the ?Everton Way? but if any are organised, I will join in. It felt like a part of me died when i seen the vote... KEIOC.
hash
125   Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:48:33

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yes it sad to leave goodison park but to keep up with the big teams we need a new ground lets face it if we dnt move we always going to struggle cos in todays world finace plays just as important role as players n fans !!
we will never forgot goodison park but lets bring the glory days back to e.f.c
Dr Bob
126   Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:53:15

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The only thing the kopites will be celebrating is the schism in Evertonian support.
Adam
127   Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:04:37

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Get over it we are moving. We will be getting a NEW stadium for next to nothing. It will be with in the Liverpool Boundary again with in the next few years. And did you wanna see us play in Godison Park in the shadow of the RS new Art Gallery?
Blue Peter
128   Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:07:42

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Toffeeweb, you are a great source of news and links for all blue blooded evertonians, and you do a great job in this respect. The hard work and dedication which goes into this site is admirable. But why do you let yourselves down by posting sensationalist and vindictive twaddle like Peter Fearon’s article? More balance please, the other ground move piece by Rupert Sullivan, whilst slightly better considered, is also "anti". Read the responses to see that these two pieces do not represent the spectrum of views or common sense.
Chris SJ
129   Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:01:24

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You’re spot on Dr Bob. I’m thinking maybe Kenwright and Wyness should have had the balls to carry out the decision to move on their own. I say this because all I can see as a result of this vote (aside from a decision that many Blues thought was already amde) is a division in our fanbase that is seeming ever more apparent at a time when, on the pitch, we’re beginning to realise our proven potential as a team who competes with each and every team in the Premiership for the big prizes. I can’t think of a worse time for our support to be in-fighting personally, and it saddens me to think that if we were still relegation battle material, we would drop this season because of it. Decision’s made, I’m not happy, but I’ll get over it. Lets get behind the team this season as united in support as we were until this bastard episode, help the team as only we can, and prove to investors that we don’t need Tesco as a crutch.
Besides, let’s get a bit of perspective,
RIP Rhys Jones
cian long
130   Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:33:47

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for fuck sake, whats depressing is the last 15 years supporting everton relegation threats most years, not having any real money, chairmen who couldnt run a brothel, players who were SPL standard that was fucking depressing, we are now moving to a new stadium in LIVERPOOL state of the art with a top class manager behind us, the best squad of players we have had since Kendalls years, a good business man in wyness and a great chairman who is one of us, fuck sake lads get a life.
BLUE GUEVARA
131   Posted 24/08/2007 at 17:59:44

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whos the muppet saying have you never heard of democracy where the majority rules?what fucking planet are you on,democracy isnt in the slightest way related to what the majority wants,thats why the worlds in such a fucking mess!i dont call 15,000 a majority of Everton supporters,its only a majority of the 25,000+ who bothered to vote.i cant believe that almost 11,000 people didnt bother their arses to vote either way on the most important issue facing the club since we moved across the park,what a fucking disgrace and heres me been following EFC all over since ’71,havnt had a season ticket for a few years so i can fuck off,my opinion is not as relevant as 11,000 twats who couldnt make their tiny minds up!Anyway all you despondant Blues who tonight feel as sick as me,tomorrows another day its not all done and dusted so dont resign yourself to becoming another out of town franchise where your viewed as just another mug consumer,your opinion still counts and you still have a say in the future of OUR CLUB.This is a fight to save this Great club from obscurity so keep voicing your opposition because this is not over by any means.ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL.
paul lowe
132   Posted 24/08/2007 at 18:53:47

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how can you say kirkby will be a third rate stadium? what are you basing that on? I thought the blueprints where exceptional, and the stadium will be something to be proud of! I live in wigan and since childhood 15yrs ago all everton has ever meant to me is goodison and i will miss it sorely, but onwards and upwards, there is no place for a 2ft square steel post in a 21st century stadium!!!!!!!!!
Steve B
133   Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:17:04

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Blue Guevara, I think you could have canvassed everyone in Merseyside who had a pulse and the result still would have been ’Yes’, because it was the only sound commercial proposition that was underpinned by a corporate partnership. The stadium looks great and I hope you never grace it with your presence.
Bee eater
134   Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:10:34

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paul lowe, I think the third rate stadium comment is based on the evidence of LOOKing at the cheap shiney mockups and at the ridiculously cheap costing put forward as deliverabullble. That design is way out of date. Most new stadiums nowadays are built tight to the the pitch, with rounded off corners (a bit pricey!) and with some attempt at making an architectural statement, not just built to the orders of a supermarket chain. Do some research and look at the plans for grounds in Bilbao, Zaragoza, San Sebastian etc. to name a few, which all combine exactly what Everton really need: "traditional four stands", style, and functionality. The difference with our plan is that they look great, they don’t scrimp on finishing the corners, and they´re in the city they belong in with no character or identity whatsoever.
Bee eater
135   Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:26:03

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paul lowe, I think the third rate stadium comment is based on the evidence of LOOKing at the cheap shiney mockups and at the ridiculously cheap costing put forward as deliverabullble. That design is way out of date. Most new stadiums nowadays are built tight to the the pitch, with rounded off corners (a bit pricey!) and with some attempt at making an architectural statement, not just built to the orders of a supermarket chain. Do some research and look at the plans for grounds in Bilbao, Zaragoza, San Sebastian etc. to name a few, which all combine exactly what Everton really need: "traditional four stands", style, and functionality. The difference with our plan is that they look great, they don?t scrimp on finishing the corners, and they´re in the city they belong to, not in an outlying suburb with no character or identity whatsoever.
Steve
136   Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:27:41

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Have you noticed that Bee eater was struggling to spell and form coherent sentences there. Was it because he is a) quite literally frothing at the mouth in is incandescence that the majority of Everton supporters don’t agree with him b) a little bit thick c) disappointed that the KEIOC designs that the Bestway designer’s 8 year son mocked up using crayons didn’t win the Turner prize.
Gareth Oughton
137   Posted 24/08/2007 at 19:24:07

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We CANNOT carry on turning on each other like this. It is actions like this that will ruin the club, not moving three miles up the road.

Regardless of what many of you think about the vote, at least the club gave us something of an option and we, the fans, have voiced our opinion.

We HAVE to move on now and get behind the team and the club whilst it is at Goodison and then at Kirkby in a few years time.
Bee eater
138   Posted 24/08/2007 at 20:05:36

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Steve, I was certainly foaming at the mouth, but you are wrong on other points. I never mentioned the Bestway design. So ...erm, what you on about? What I would like to know is: what is wrong with believing that our stadium (wherever it gets built) should be well designed and up to date?
BLUE GUEVARA
139   Posted 24/08/2007 at 20:02:57

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Steve B- ’the only commercial proposition underpinned by a corporate partnership’sounds like wyness speak to me,(empty rhetoric)if Kirkby was the only true viable option and the board deciced it was right then the fans should never have been given the option of a vote.Kenwright can now wash his hands of any responsibility for a decision to move and point to the 15,000 who said yes as a kop out.The stadium looks great hey,thats a good reason to sway you on the most important decision ever to face this club.FOOLS GOLD.
Zed-victor-one
140   Posted 24/08/2007 at 20:02:11

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The small vitiolic minority are a disgrace in the insults they hurl at those simply for voting yes for perfectly valid reasons. I suppose we can expect a continuation of the same tactics that portrayed us as yobs and hooligans to the citizens of Kirkby in an attempt to scare them. What these idiots don’t get is that the wider public including potential investors will pick up on the same misleading image. Well we’ve had the vote and it was decisive enough for any self respecting democrat. Sod the facist tendency let them stay away and stew in their own strop.
Peter B
141   Posted 24/08/2007 at 20:11:37

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As lifelong Evertonian, who has lived out of the UK for the past 30 years, it will be a wrench to leave Goodison.However, when I have been back visiting relatives, normally once a year, which coincides with a home game, GP has steadily deteriorated, and compared to other stadia,has really seen better times. We can all remember those great times, - winning the league (’63 v Fulham)
again in ’70 with a win v West Brom- Colin Harvey scoring in a 2-0 win. Great european games through the years. Unfortunately we have to move on, and if the best ecomonic option is Kirkby then so be it. We will all still eb Evertonians,a dn we must get ebhind the Club. Hopefully in about 5 years none of us will remember all this discussion, as we will all be supporting a really good succssful Premiership team.

We may have missed the boat with Kings Dock, but lets get over it.

I will hate leaving Goodison Park, but life must move on,and I will always, always be an Evertonian.
Howards shiny head
142   Posted 24/08/2007 at 20:19:27

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Stu, half of the people in liverpool dont support everton. Id say probably more support the reds than the blues, plus there are many people in the city who dont even follow football, added to this people who support the mancs, tranmere or their dads hometown team you are left with a lot less. The vote was pretty fair, how do you think they should have done it? Asked people who they support and then given the people who said everton a ballet? Hmmm that would be good wouldnt it???

In all seriousness, this thing looks like its tearing us apart, I agree that the whole debate will cause more damage to the club than the move itself. The very people who are campaining for what they think is right for the club are the ones who is breaking its spirit. Lets move on, no revolutionary speeches che guevera, no demonstrations, just accept it and either get behind us or get away from us. I know that I will always back the team, and if we move again, ill still follow.
Jay Bernard
143   Posted 24/08/2007 at 20:37:45

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Stu thats disgraceful language, please keep this a tempered debate.

If you called me a Fu*ckin Mong i would seriously want to kill you.
Bee eater
144   Posted 24/08/2007 at 20:33:01

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In a democracy we abide by election results but we are also allowed free speech. On this very website the lead article says: "The limited margin of the result will no doubt spark debate over whether the Board has a sufficiently strong mandate to press ahead with plans". The fact that we are still argueing over the future shows how passionate we all are about this club and does not show that we are tearing ourselves apart at all.
Harry Mercer
145   Posted 24/08/2007 at 20:37:34

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Well, Everton have had their last penny from me.I’ve got a season ticket for this season and shall go to every game it covers.Then,it’s ’goodbye dear lover,time for us to part’.I walked out on my missus when all the kids left homeso this should not be too much of a trauma.
Kenwright and all you lap dogs are welcome to each other.
funking mong
146   Posted 24/08/2007 at 20:44:00

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thanks for coming harry mercer, glad you were so loyall, i bet on a saturday afternoon you will probably drink in the pub where all the kopites go when they have thrown their season ticket on the pitch when they loose a game.
yes voyer
147   Posted 24/08/2007 at 20:41:15

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shiney shiney shiney
DavidB85
148   Posted 24/08/2007 at 20:52:20

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"Anything will do.."

Oh please.. have you not listened to a word that Bill Kenwright has said about this new stadium? It is "the best" stadium that we could have at this time, it’s the best package and the best chance we have of moving forward both on and off the pitch.

Goodison is a fabulous ground and every Evertonian would want to stay there forever. But the point is that we can’t afford to stay in a ground with 10,000 obstructed views and still compate with the so-called bigger clubs financially.

As a "Yes Voter", I will cry as much as anyone else when Goodison comes down, but it does make sense to move on to a new era.
sexy rexy
149   Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:04:37

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when i was small i wanted addidas trainers but my mum bought me tesco specials, it was the best she could afford at the time, everybody laughed....
Peter Parvins
150   Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:13:08

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Fuckin shame on you no voters. The club obviously doesn’t need you now, we’re supposed to be united as one. Threats of not renewing season tickets is very childish. It’s not that far away, get a grip. Remember the name Rhys Jones, he will never see his beloved club again, he lived and breathed the blues. Get behind them or get lost.
triple x
151   Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:20:43

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do remind yourselves that 60% of people who actually go to matches voted YES!
Miss Vitriol
152   Posted 24/08/2007 at 20:35:04

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Kenwright should have announced we were moving to Kirkby end of,the option of the vote was a red herring proposed to cause as much division as possible and it has achieved its aim.Try and be impartial,whichever side your on and consider if the club would’ve announced we were going to Kirkby and that was it,i personally think that opposition to any move would have been much more vociferous.i think the club has seriously dragged the name of EFC through the mud in its responses to various opposition proposals and would’ve been better advised to have maintained a dignified silence,some of their dismissive responses made me suspicious of their motives.I just hope as they fucked up the Kings Dock so they do the same with Kirkby, its a sheep in wolves clothing.New owner new plans.KENWRIGHT OUT!
Paul Harrington
153   Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:20:55

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You are spot on Peter. The option for supporters to vote just gives the board a ’get out’ when it all goes badly wrong. I have supported this club since 1965 and feel gutted that this becomes a mandate to continue further discussions on what is nothing better than say, the Ricoh Arena in Coventry. (A sad dump purporting to be a modern stadium). Those who voted ’yes’ potentially just performed the last rites on a great club.
Blue Peter
154   Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:35:42

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The emotive language by some "no" voters, the "leaving" speeches and the accusations of blame levelled at "yes" voters for the "imminent demise" of EFC is all getting a bit tedious. Just go quietly please and accept that vast numbers are going to continue to support the club no matter what you say or how strongly you try to influence them.
whitey
155   Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:09:48

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as a 40 yr old evertonian who has lived through the good the bad and the ugly ,I dont want my son to have to live through the same as the walter smith years and the shite we had to watch preceding the moysey years.As a club we need to get behind the board and realise that liverpool city council are only interested in the red shite and their american dollars.When St Domingos started playing at analfield in the 1870s it wasnt in the so called city boundary, we left them their club then and their rip off landlord so lets move on 3 miles up the road and get behind everton fc who will be the team for our kids to support. When the yanks get fed up with their shitty fucking playthings and Benithus realises he will win fuck all .Liverpool city council will realise the mistake they have made and beg us to return.Then we can tell them to fuck off and they can apply for planning permission for analfield in norway or larne or dublin or london or anywhere the cunts dont have too far to travel. come on you blues fuck the red shite
J.Connolly
156   Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:42:45

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A civil war has broken out between Evertonians and Liverpudlians are laughing at us.

There has been a democratic vote, and the majority voted yes. Now it’s time to get behind the club.

To be honest, the ’No’ crowds argument seems silly and desperate, and all the dirty tactics, scaremongering and gross lies have come from them, not from EFC.

What exactly is the ’No’ vote argument? Kirkby? Don’t make me laugh!

I think the ’No’ crowd are afraid of one thing, and one thing only..
...change!

The move to Kirkby and a new stadium will herald the start of another new exciting chapter in the history of our great club and Evertonian family, I can’t wait!

I urge all ’No’ blues to calm down, and get behind EFC. If you can’t do that, then don’t bother coming to Kirkby! I’m sure you all know where Stanley Park is anyway....
col
157   Posted 24/08/2007 at 21:26:24

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I know why so many didn’t vote. Like me they felt between a rock and a hard place. But in the end I voted "yes" for 2 reasons. Firstly, my beloved Goodison is knackered and beyond repair. Secondly, I hope the Yes vote will finally get Liverpool City Council to realise what they are going to lose and do something about it.

It is quite incredible how LCC have done somersaults for the Redsh*te at the expense of the city’s council tax payers. A 999 year lease on the ploughed up acres of Stanley Park at an annual rental of less than the weekly wages of just one of their players! Graft? Corruption? You tell me.

I’m not happy to be leaving the city but I’m very happy to be doing business with Tesco and Knowsley Council rather than the corrupt LCC.

MICHAEL POWER
158   Posted 24/08/2007 at 22:23:30

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IT’S DONE, IT’S DEMOCRATIC,ITS HAPPENING.

IT’S SATURDAY, GET BEHIND THE TEAM.
Steve Pugh
159   Posted 24/08/2007 at 22:33:17

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I voted no.

What I am seeing on this thread is not a discussion it is nothing more than a slanging match and quite simply it is a disgrace.

For the majority of voters this was a very hard decision to make. I am sure that many of the YES voters would have voted NO if there had been what they believed to be a viable alternative.

I am equally sure that I am not the only NO voter to vote that way simply to see what Bestway could produce in the way of an alternative in the next few months.

I am very saddened to hear that some of you are going to stop going to the games, I cannot understand why you would want to cut of your nose to spite your face. But if it makes you feel better then so be it.

To finish I would like the board to allow Bestway to finish their proposal before they start on Kirkby. If the Loop did or did not prove to be a viable proposition I would like to know that the board had at least given it proper thought and not carried on with their slanderous comments. Equally I would like NO voters to Kirkby a proper chance if it does go ahead.

Everton FC is the PEOPLES club, and we are ALL the people
Scouse Evertonian
160   Posted 24/08/2007 at 23:17:09

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Ground Move - Nil Satis Nisi Scrotum

I’ve been taking the piss all this last two weeks out of a Birmingham City Fan at work. Him and a Villa fan had been embroiled in a ’we are equal - no your not’ style debate - and they came to me as a neutral (scouse Toffee working in Brum) for my opinion. ’Well we all know the Blues are the Scrotee club’ I declared, as Villa are founder members like Everton, and Birmingham City are a ’yo yo team’ with a history-lacking stadium that lacks association with the City itself. We all know that Villa were there first (only just - but first all the same) and Birmingham city came along as a last minute ’add on’ etc etc. The Birmingham city fan comes in and out now scratchin his head, and is trying constantly to convince me that they are on a par with Villa - but me as a neutral in his city, calling them a Scrotee Club - it’s wrecked his head. However, in my home City - objectively - Stanley Park has held the balance, with the two Giants on each side. Everyone knows that the lifeblood of the city is footy - over the years from 1878 we have churned out players/talent/fans/managers like a machine - unparalleled by any other cities in the UK. This is fact. Just a few miles up the road - St Helens and Wigan had the Rugby etc. Prenton Park across the Mersey - a token gesture of a team. For me it was the City - the boundary quite obvious - that breeds the passion for footy...and the two teams across the park from each other - magnetised it more. I’ve always reckoned support is split down the middle. Not 60-40. In the City it’s 50-50. and that’s the way both teams have had success - sustained over 125 years. Even in the last 35 years when the Shite have won more trophies than us - in the City it’s remained 50-50. Now with a move to Kirby, it might as well be to Mars. It’s out of the city - the engine room. My Kopite mates have already said they can’t wait to start taking the piss. The kopites can’t wait for us to leave the city. They can’t wait to turn GOODISON PARK into a PAY AND DISPLAY for the new anfield...And the kids of the City in the future will only have one team to support. 50-50 will become 80-20...My Dad is a Red, and his Dad before him.Before him there weren’t any teams - just Scousers after Scousers. I chose to be a toffee because Everton, on the whole, are supported by Scousers. Liverpool, on the whole are not supported by Scousers (diffused due to the multitudes of Essex reds etc)...But think in another 20 years time, the dust will have settled on Stanley Park. THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE TEAM IN LIVERPOOL and for the first time in history it will be the Shite. Who will be the ’Scrotee’ club then? Even if we win the league 5 times, we’ll still be in Kirby.Where the frig is Kirby? In SCROTEE land, and the Kopites will fucking love it.

Please note I’ve had a bevvy, but it’s Friday night and I lament at the Machiavellian Wyness and his scheming chums.
Phillio
161   Posted 24/08/2007 at 23:29:05

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I note that most indogenous Toffees born in Liverpool have concerns about the Yes vote, and most Toffees that are from elsewhere are up for the exodus out of Liverpool...there is no solution to this debate. The lads on the pitch tomorrow need to take our minds off this nonesense and hopefully Arteta and co can win the UEFA cup this year.
Paul Kellett
162   Posted 24/08/2007 at 23:36:17

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I was a cast iron no vote ( I wrote so on here spouting my desire for my son to experience what I experienced for all these years) Some commented move with the times and I thanl you for that contsructive response. I was no until the game against Wigan when due to friends and occasional supporters I ended up having to go in the family enclosure with my 5 year old. The view from there was appalling. Thinking forward I can only hope that the family enclosure will offer a better view in Kirkby. To add to this the state of the streets and dog shit we had to dodge on the way to the ground... The pub full of people I dont want my lad to be around...Kirkby might have dogs and piss heads too but somehow I think my game day experience might be more manicured. I think my change to yes happened on this day together with the responses to my post.... and that I can now give my boy a different new experience and not fear of this. I think my fear was one of not being able to offer the same adrenalin rush I have had to my lad.... but I will be able to... just in different surroundings. But I certainly won’t be dancing in the ruins of Goodison.. I will be sorry to see her go but we have to move on. Lets take the gamble... you never know !
Phillio
163   Posted 24/08/2007 at 23:40:21

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Also, that poor lad above who has had a bevvie and rambling on about Scrotee clubs......There’s only one way to silence the Kopites - Kirby or no Kirby - and that’s us winning the League...again. We can win the League if we unite and get some power back in the crowd...
Michael Kenrick
164   Posted 25/08/2007 at 03:55:20

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And on that note, we’re closing Comments on this thread. It will stand as a sad memorial of what this issue has done to the fans of this once great club. Thanks to all who participated.

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