Joined up stuff is nice to watch but if it results in slowing down of our attacks it then becomes a form of pointless show-boating. A reason why so many of our attacks peter out before creating a clear cut scoring opportunity is because fancy-Dan stuff allows ample time for defenders to get behind the ball.
On the other side of the ledger we have seen umpteen strikes at our goal involving only two or three opponents and minimum ball contact.
If memory serves me right there was a period in the 60s when we were known as a team of "after you Claudes".
It seemed that a goal was less important than seeing how many passes could be strung together. When opportunities did arise somebody else was expected to have a go, hence the tag of, after you Claude
All that was solved when we signed Fred Pickering, a converted fullback from lower division Blackburn. After being subjected for months to stultifying boring toothless fancy-Dan stuff Fred was like a breath of fresh air. A big bloke with incredible power and accuracy of shot. He was the epitome of KISS long before that saying came into fashion. If Fred got the ball within 40 yards of goal there seemed nothing on earth could stop him from hitting the target.
In the Abbey pub our post match discussion centered on Fred?s impact. A mate summed it up perfectly in this way. He seems awkward, he can?t dribble, can?t head and is useless at the short passing game. The packed house then erupted into a mighty roar when my mate quietly said but he has just scored a fucking magnificent solo hatrick. Only injury prevented Fred Pickerings name being writ large in the clubs history.
In conclusion, I am not advocating a return to hoof ball but it seems to me that the pendulum has swung a bit too far the other way. Long range two touch is just another shot to hold in our locker.
While on the subject of speeding up our attacks I wonder if it is written into their contracts that only Pip must take throw ins on the right side of the pitch and Arteta to take all corners on the left. Both of them go through slow ceremonious preparations that requires our receivers to be in precise position and ensures defenders do likewise. Then again perhaps there is something in those two techniques that despitey 60 years first as a player, then coach and now avid onlooker I just cannot fathom.
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1 Posted 02/11/2010 at 22:39:22
2 Posted 02/11/2010 at 22:47:50
3 Posted 02/11/2010 at 22:49:25
4 Posted 02/11/2010 at 23:05:23
5 Posted 03/11/2010 at 04:19:21
It all boils down to having forwards with pace and players able to put the right balls to them.
6 Posted 03/11/2010 at 07:38:40
`After you, Claude` football ? you can keep it!
7 Posted 03/11/2010 at 07:49:57
Again, without predjudice, you are a gobshite of the ilk that gives your honest common or garden gobshites a bad name.
8 Posted 03/11/2010 at 08:10:07
9 Posted 03/11/2010 at 10:04:40
10 Posted 03/11/2010 at 10:18:47
11 Posted 03/11/2010 at 10:38:53
12 Posted 03/11/2010 at 10:41:15
13 Posted 03/11/2010 at 10:55:23
I definitely agree we need to get the ball upfield a lot quicker, not by twatting it but by our players getting into position quicker or actually, God forbid, running with the ball, instead of the "to me, to you" routine along the back at the moment.
This could certainly be administered by leaving an effing attacker (preferably the Yak, as he can't run that fast) on the halfway line for their corners... grrrrrr
14 Posted 03/11/2010 at 11:21:33
15 Posted 03/11/2010 at 11:44:45
16 Posted 03/11/2010 at 11:58:32
Doddy can be entertaining but he does provide a rationale for keyboard locks
Darn sarf, I hear Everton referred to as "Arsenal Lite": agree to a point but imagine Fred, Latchford or Gray in the present team
17 Posted 03/11/2010 at 12:11:57
They have been so used to having the ball hoofed up field, that suddenly having the ball and not really knowing what to do with it, they just end up passing it everywhere instead of the right direction.
The other thing is that I not entirely convinced most of our players have the ability to dribble past players or even at pace. This results in them panicking on the ball when someone comes at them, and they unload to someone else, and this just continues on. Eventually some one is bold enough to try and launch it to one of strikers... except the striker is now stuck either in midfield or on the wing, thereby the ball is played back yet again.
For me it's just two things. 1. Confidence on the ball. Remember they are used to hoofing it, they aren't exactly used to the idea of suddenly having the ball at their feet. 2. Lack of pace.
We do things slowly and predictably, due to the above lack of confidence on the ball and absolutely no pace what so ever.
You can't really fault them for their passing most times, but where does that actually get us? Your right it is fancy dan stuff, and what we need is an injection of both pace and skill to take players on at full speed, only then do I think we'll crack this problem of not scoring enough goals.
Lastly Moyse needs to stop with the mentality of defend at all costs, and just let the lads go out and express themselves in their rightful positions and lets see what they can do. The mentality of defend at all costs, is the barrier which is fucking us over big time.
Let's just go out and throw the kitchen at our opponents... let the defenders worry about doing their job.
18 Posted 03/11/2010 at 12:30:30
As for todays team, if we are not going to win anything anyway due to lack of mega finance then I'd sooner watch what is on offer now than Walter Smith's offerings (with a big old fashioned centre-forward). Each to his own though.
19 Posted 03/11/2010 at 13:25:03
Answer a question for another aul' arse who was at that game against Blackburn. Did Tony Kay get sent off... possibly for lamping Bryan Douglas? If so, he was the first player I saw getting the early bath.
20 Posted 03/11/2010 at 14:00:45
Just wait for the Blackpool game, as they base their game on attacking and counter-attacking, to see examples of it.
21 Posted 03/11/2010 at 14:14:55
22 Posted 03/11/2010 at 15:56:02
23 Posted 03/11/2010 at 19:22:07
He was a ball magnet in the penalty area. Fantastic volley. Great header of the ball. With a winger like "Chico" serving him he was almost unstoppable. 70 goals in 115 games speaks for itself. I admired him, but his style of play was fast becoming an anachronism even by the time he left Everton in 1967.
We ask strikers to play multiple roles today ? moving wide, dropping deep, helping out the defense, distributing the ball in midfield. Fred only knew how to do one thing. And he did it with extraordinary panache. What would a player of his goal-scoring rate be worth today? Yet when he hung up his boots he went to work as a fork-lift truck driver.
24 Posted 03/11/2010 at 19:38:05
I think that's how it happened but doubtless someone wil enlighten me if I've got it wrong.
25 Posted 03/11/2010 at 19:33:57
26 Posted 03/11/2010 at 20:48:20
27 Posted 03/11/2010 at 22:51:29
Running into space and passing into that space is the next trick we have to learn. If Chelsea, Arsenal and Barca can do it, why not us?
28 Posted 04/11/2010 at 07:42:53
Yer man Doddy is typical of some the supporters who, having seen nothing like the proper and winning football some of have, That any single digit finish that gets us nearly in to the top 4 is job done in this day and age.
Well it might be job done, but it ain't job done properly.
5th is not good, it is not the new 1st, It is only good as in it is better than 6th.
It's Mediocrity by any other name... as in we nearly qualified for the CL
Nearlyocrity... the new mediocrity.
The more PC among us could, as they seem to always do, find an 'ism' in everything.
Tonight Matthew, I'm going to be...
Richard Dodd, closet Ageist... (with one bound, gallant Dickin was free)
Free, free, free I tells ya free to spout more party claptrap... ha, ha, ha, ha,HAHAHAHAHAH.... .
29 Posted 04/11/2010 at 12:02:44
Like thousands of Evertonians, I was born in the late 80s and my Dad was in knee pants when The Mighty Pickering was spreading terror among Div 1 defences. No wonder I have little time for glossy memories ? usually greatly exaggerated ? for temporary heroes of ancient days!
By all means salivate over those days when Moores's money was able to make Everton the Man City of today ? but for Gawd`s sake don`t ram them down the throats of those of us who live for today!
30 Posted 04/11/2010 at 13:05:55
It is from history that we are where we are.
31 Posted 04/11/2010 at 13:17:01
Perhaps it's before your time, but you may not be aware that Pickering picked up a knock in spring 1966, losing his place to Mike Trebilcock. even when he felt fit again Catterick didn't select him for the Cup Final team & Pickering felt a lasting resentment. However, it may well be that Catterick was right not to select him, perhaps he felt that Pickering wasn't going to be quite the same player after his injury; if so that would certainly explain his departure to a team in the division below.
Football is a short career & so I think you'll find all heroes are "temporary" in the literal sense, but many will remain heroes as long as those who remember them are still around to do so.
Yes, Everton did have some money to spend ? but only in the form of interest-free loans from Moores, as I recall. The club wasn't quite on a par with Manchester City of today & actually had a reputation for having deep pockets but short arms when it came to wage negotiations.
Nobody's ramming anything down your throat, merely indulging in a little nostalgia ? if it's not to your taste why not just move on to another thread that is, rather than spouting such unsubstantiated clap-trap.
32 Posted 04/11/2010 at 16:41:11
You must be THE Dennis Stevens, you don't take any prisoners.
And are you THE Dennis Stevens by the way?
33 Posted 04/11/2010 at 17:58:49
34 Posted 04/11/2010 at 18:19:19
The original post was just as much about today as it was about yesterday was it not? Living for today is to be recommended as if you don't, history becomes a ball and chain rather than a fond and useful memory.
I was born 40 years before Richard Dodd and, unlike him, I have seen many trophies paraded around Goodison Park, Wembley and around Rotterdam. They are memories I wouldn't trade for a Sheik's loot just as I wouldn't the reminiscenses of the great players who won those trophies for us.
Richard Dodd is not as fortunate as those of us who have watched Hickson, Vernon, Young or the Holy Trinity or even Bracewell, Van den Hauwe or Trevor Steven and Ratcliffe. So how can he be expected to show the same reverence for those times and events as we do?
Give the lad a break. He wants to share such experiences too and even if we can't agree with his ideas as to how it can be achieved, he is entitled to his opinion.
35 Posted 04/11/2010 at 19:11:54
I was wrong, you are a proper Evertonian driven mad by the negativity of David Moyes.
36 Posted 04/11/2010 at 22:30:04
Andy, good point about Richard Briers - although I would have gone for Ever Decreasing Circles. It just shows how we can all be misjudged based on the evidence of our posts on here, I suppose - assuming Richard isn't actually just a younger version, of course!
37 Posted 05/11/2010 at 10:16:57
I just don`t want you all accusing me of being a sprog, although I did not become an attending Evertonian until the birth of the Prem in 1992 so in most Toffeewebber`s eyes that`s what I am anyway!
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