Sorry Everton beaten far too easily

A 'pivotal' game that sadly changed nothing for Roberto Martinez and his abysmally poor charges

Michael Kenrick 01/01/2015 322comments  |  Jump to last

John Stones was not fit enough to play after picking up a knock to his ankle against Stoke

Injuries are compounding an increasingly poor situation for Everton where losing seems to be becoming a habit. Lukaku was on the bench again as Arouna Kone was selected for the game at Hull, with Phil Jagielka back as captain and Steven Naismith returning after suspension while John Stones, and James McCarthy were still out, together with Tim Howard, Leon Osman, Tony Hibbert, Darron Gibson and Steven Pienaar.

Everton kicked off moving the ball forward with pace but only for a goal-kick. Besic did brilliantly down the Everton right and Kone seemed to have all the time in the world to punish them but chose the wrong option and a fantastic chance was gone. At the other end, Hull wanted a penalty when Barry bundled into Abel Hernández just inside the Everton 18-yard line but Kevin Friend was surprisingly adamant. Jelavic wellied the free-kick high over the bar.

Abel Hernández then easily dispossessed Barkley and took a quick shot at goal, Robles parrying it away. But the Blues looked lacking in confidence all over the place as they struggled to get a grip on the game. A poor Barkley cross fell to Mirallas who skied his shot. Hull won an early corner off Jagielka, Elmohamady firing wide across goal.

Besic was in far too late with a ridiculous sliding tackle: yellow card, as Everton put themselves under pressure, but a terrific run by Coleman had the Everton fans screaming yet this time Naismith in acres of space had time to shoot but got the ball tangled in his feet, and the chance was gone. Naismith wanted a penalty for a nothing brush from Ramirez. Myler then went straight through Naismith from behind, yellow card.

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Mirallas got down the right but stalled rather than crossing the ball in when he had the chance. Robertson came off very early for Hull, Rosenior replacing him. Everton had some good forward possession without going anywhere, with midfielders hesitant to play forward balls to front players getting themselves into offside positions. Barkley went on a good long run through the middle but went down a little too easily for Kevin Friend under slight pressure from Elmohamady as he crossed the 18-yard line.

Hernandez got a sight of goal but failed to beat Roles at the near post. Rosenior crossed in and Elmohamadhy had an easy job brushing Baines aside as he headed just inside the post to put Hull ahead very very cheaply. Hull got a free-kick and worked another chance but Hernandez could only make glancing contact with the header. Baines floated his corner to the Dee in a variant of his normal delivery but it was defended away and Hull attacked again with crowd well behind them.

Livermore took out Baines as he made a good pass to Mirallas who was called offside as he shot against the post, the Hull player getting a yellow, Coleman tried to force his way through and won a corner that was delivered strangely to no-one in particular and Hull were soon on attack, a shot form Hernandez in lots of space being blocked away.

A bizarre up and under toattlly caught out the Everton defence and Jelavic was off to the races, but stuttered a little before he lofted the chip over Robles and into the Everton net for a quite farcical second goal to the hosts.

Naismith won a free-kick just before the break but McGregor was not tested by Baines's strike and Kone got carded for a silly foul as a demoralized Everton side went in 2-0 down at the break with a huge mountain to climb.

Changes were made at the break, Lukaku on for Mirallas, with Oviedo getting a rare chance in place of Besic. Barkley got into the Hull area but completely missed his shot, however, retained the ball to fire in a low cross. At the other end, Everton were under pressure again, and Hull came very close to scoring a third on two occasions as the Blues looked seriously ragged. But Barkley was fouled and Lukaku curled the set piece well wide.

Rosenior pulled his hamstring and collapsed on the sideline, Hull fans screaming for the game to stop as Everton rightly played on, Barkley producing some magic to dig out a shot that was perhaps too close to McGregor. Barkley did make a good steal but his pass did not reach Kone and it was Lukaku who shot tamely at McGregor. Everton tried to apply pressure at a corner but nothing came of it. Barkley was trying to be too clever with his deft touches in midfield, only ceding possession, as the ball just was not running for the Blues.

Barry got his now customary yellow card for the stupidest of pointless challenges and the Everton goal was under pressure again, a shot going through to Robles off the skiddy turf as Hull had a good spell, Alcaraz also getting booked rather harshly as Hernandez stepped across his path. From the resulting free kick, Jelavic curled it just over the corner of the Everton goal. At the other end Coleman crossed in low for Naismith to shoot on goal but it hit a defender in the chest. More pressure from Everton saw a better corner from Baines but still short of Lukaku at the far post. Hernandez looked to break from the Everton corner, but Livermore lost his footing.

McGuire cynically held back Coleman and Everton looked to attack but Kone was lost for ideas and the move collapsed pathetically. Coleman was soing his best to make things happen down the right channel, but the link-ups simply weren't coming off. A strange incident followed, Barry seemingly fouling Henandez and Friend initially playing on until Hernandez stopped, then bizarrely giving Hull the free-kick (perhaps he was playing advantage) as Barry somehow avoided a second yellow card.

Another really nervy moment saw Jelavic come perilously close to scoring again with the Everton defence at sixes and sevens as the game entered the final 10 minutes without the Blues having a serious attempt on the Hull goal. At the other end, Jagielka did very well to turn a brilliant Hull free-kick delivery behind for a corner.

As Everton pushed forward, there were nervous spaces at the back that needed some rearguard action from Alcaraz to close down. Baines did pick out a great ball for Lukaku but the Big Man could only head over from close range as he feared he would be called offside.

Alcaraz was then run into by a Hull player and as he turned away, seemed to dismiss friend's call for a free-kick, and was bizarrely shown a second yellow card, then red. Very odd. Hull then showed how to do quick counterattacking play, a tremendous pass playing in Hernandez who's first time efforr fell thankfully wide with the goal gaping and Robles well beaten.

This was hardly Everton maintaining the style and 'philosophy' of the manager they looked even less toothless and impotent than in the last three miserable defeats, if that were even possible. Surely Martinez will come under even greater pressure than before this 'pivotal' game that sadly changed nothing for him and his abysmally poor charges.

Hull City: McGregor, Elmohamady, Chester, Bruce, Davies, Robertson (23' Rosenior (56' McGuire [Y:88'])), Meyler [Y:20'], Livermore [Y:39'], Ramirez (46' Brady), Hernandez, Jelavic.Subs not Used:Sagbo, Harper, Ince, Aluko.

Everton: Robles; Coleman, Jagielka, Alcaraz [Y:67'; YR:86'], Baines; Barry [Y:65'], Besic [Y:35'] (46' Oviedo); Naismith, Mirallas (46' Lukaku), Barkley; Kone [Y:45'].
Subs not Used: Griffiths, Distin, Eto'o, McGeady, Atsu.

Kick off: 3pm
Referee: Kevin Friend

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Kieran Riding
1 Posted 01/01/2015 at 14:45:41
That side is good enough to beat Hull.

I'm hopeful of a performance today.

Paul Kelly
2 Posted 01/01/2015 at 14:45:52
Square pegs, round..... blah blah, silly boy can’t see the woods for the trees.

Dreading this game, but like everyone will endure as much turgid sideways passing shite as humanly possible.

Brian Hennessy
3 Posted 01/01/2015 at 14:47:39
Part of me is glad to see RM had the guts to leave out Lukaku again.

Ok the service to him has been poor but his link up play and workrate has been even worse.

At least Kone has shown he can hold up the ball and pass it, a spell on the bench might give Rom the kick in the arse he needs.

Shame McCarthy is not fit as Barry is another player whould should be dropped.

Helen Mallon
4 Posted 01/01/2015 at 14:58:15
It’s all blah blah I don’t care how we play just win win win.
Jim Bennings
5 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:29:30
30 minutes gone and yet again not a single shot on target.

More possession than Hull but frankly they look more likely to score now than us.

We really aren't laying very well at all are we?

If we don't win today I'm struggling badly to see where put next win is coming from.

Steven Telford
6 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:31:38
Déjà vu...
Jim Bennings
7 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:32:17
Well there we go!

Hull 1-0 up because they are yet again showing MORE HUNGER AND MORE PASSION than my disgraced team.

I'm embarrassed to say I support this team at present, absolute dire bollox.

How long before Martinez is sacked or leaves is the question we are probably going to be hearing more of in the coming weeks.

I don't want to necessarily see him go but let's be honest there are massive problems here at this club.

Ross Barkley needs a fucking rocket up his arse too...complete waste of space.

Sadly he is not the only one.

Only Kone and Coleman slightly showing anything st all today.

Hope people calling for Barry to be centre half have now had their claims emphatically answered too.

Going down for sure this season

Steven Telford
8 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:43:12
Their second goal was a fucking defensive pantomime with Alcaraz playing the cown
Joe Duffin
9 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:42:47
wtf. never seen a more static defence. 2-0 , roubles looked to be asleep, should have been out ages before (asides from always looking to punch).
Barry and Alacaraz just standing still.


Clive Rogers
10 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:42:53
Martinez needs to be sacked or it's championship next season.
Sharpy keeps saying the system isn't working. What a surprise.
Alexander O'Brien
11 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:40:32
I've been a supporter of Martinez to date but if we lose today, which looks like a certainty, he's got 7 days to save his job. Lose against west ham in the cup then a hiding to city on the cards. I'm afraid he's a goner.
Peter Jansson
12 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:44:29
This is a total disgrace. 0 shots at goal and 0-2 against Hull.
This is the worst I have ever seen Everton play in my life. It Martinez don't get sacked now BK is completely blind. The team is in total disarray. Players keep on getting out of position all the time, they cannot keep the back 4 straight. Barry does not trust the back four. The players don't trust each other.

Nothing is good. Offense is seriously bad, defense is shockingly bad. If this it how Martinez wants to play football we have to sack him right away. This leads straight down one division.

Karl Parsons
13 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:49:00
New Year. Same shit.
Jamie Barlow
14 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:48:19
Wigan waited too long. We shouldn't. I don't know who's fault it is but this isn't working out. How long do we wait and hope it changes. The fuckin idiot is just doing the same shite every fuckin week.
Clive Rogers
15 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:47:38
Barry getting embarrassed for pace all the time.
Jim Bennings
16 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:45:56
I don't care what anybody says anymore now.

We MUST be one of the clear favourites for relegation this season.

We are currently the WORST team in the league by a distance..

If Martinez is here in the transfer window he needs to go out there and spend as much money as we have on Ryan Shawcross..

Where is the DESIRE??



If we don't wake up out of this slumber we are in then just like Leeds United and Newcastle United we WILL go down if this carries on.

Steven Telford
17 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:48:46
Martinez calls it attacking football, but wouldn't that require somebody taking a shot from time to time.

This is a disgrace.

Rob Baker
18 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:49:51
Taxi for RM. We are losing to all the crap teams on poor runs so god help us when Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd etc come calling. @ HT 59% possession, 2 shots, 1 on target, seriously what a joke!
Peter Jansson
19 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:50:54
59% possession and achieve abolutely nothing. Closer to 3-0 than 2-1. This is the perfect recipie of how not to play football. Much worse than under Moyes.
David Morgan
20 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:49:47
What is going on? no-one looks bothered...
Daniel Joseph
21 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:48:27
Barkley believing his own hype - giving the ball away too easily. Useless.

Back four uncoordinated.Useless

Positives? Leave it with me, I'll get back to you
Poor this lads

Clive Rogers
22 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:50:57
Getting rid of Duffy was a big mistake. He's a better defender than what are playing today.
Bill Gall
23 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:49:27
Iam one who said give him a chance but when you are given a chance you have to exept it and do something about it .Martinez is demomstrating how stubborn he really is by doing nothing
Andrew Rimmer
24 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:52:28
Not surprised here folks.
Don't know why I'm still watching.
Oh yes, I support this shit!
Hair of the dog methinks and maybe getting drunk will help me forget, until I watch MOTD!
Christ Neubauer
25 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:51:12
New depths have been reached. If the chairman is witnessing this (which he is) he will sack this clown today!

Bollocks to your technical approach, Roberto, go tonight.

Steven Telford
26 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:51:43
Watching the goals from the other games and seeing that we are simply team of "nothingness" at the moment.

We are shite in every department.

James Byrne
27 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:52:20
Ged rid of this fucking clown of a manager; he is incompetent and clearly out of his depth.

His "total football" philosophy bollox doesn't work, won't work and has never worked.

Nigel Rickman
28 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:52:34
Someone needs to sort this out rapid. I've been watching EFC for over 50 years and I'm afraid this man is not up to it.

Why did we employ a manager who took his team down?

If things don't change then the inevitable is on the cards. From the goalkeeper right to the No 9 , no-one knows what they are supposed to be doing.

Michael Pullano
29 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:55:02
Can we stop blaming Rom now? It is not him, it is the system and players that provides no service. Only 1 shot on target in the half. Defense is shambolic, embarrassing, etc. and until RM changes the formation then getting humiliated by bottom teams will continue.
Terry McLavey
30 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:55:06
Sums it up really – Mirallas has a shot, hits the bottom of the post; whistle goes and Naismith kicks it in the direction of the goal and hits the crossbar!!

I can't see us getting out of this one... oh and Besic booked again for a fuckin' stupid tackle!

Les Fitzpatrick
31 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:51:28
We need to get Martinez out now now now... How embarrassing is this?I've never seen anything this bad in 50 years of supporting Everton.

Martinez has lost the dressing room, there can be no other exclamation for such dross. The team are sending Blue Bill a message. Please listen, Bill... you know it makes sense.

Joe Duffin
32 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:54:56
Where has it all gone wrong. What happened since last year.
Surely the players cant have forgotten how to play football.

Only player who seems to play well is wee Seamy. Naismith is doing ok, but apart from that I don't think anyone has done themselves justice.
I never rated Alacaraz nor Roubles (there is a reason he didnt play too much at Wigan either!!).

Something has to change, the system, the players or the manager.
At this stage, my vote is the system (but this is likely to be hand in hand with the manager).

With Burnley playing ok and Crystal palace getting a new manager, we will be hoping for 3 worse teams, rather than us getting out own way out.

(So much for my New Year's resolution of being more optimistic!)

Chris Regan
33 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:59:16
The squad is capable, the manager isn't and my worry is Kenwright will keep with Martinez when he should just fuck him off. Alcaraz is shite and so is Robles. Martinez has too many failings for this level, not least he is clueless.
Anto Byrne
34 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:51:22
Should be 3-0 down but got a decision on a clear penalty and Barry plays the man. Barkley is a ghost and you can't play him in a team void of confidence. Kone, Alcaraz and Robles the perfect recipe for relegation. Hull look the better team and the way they are playing it could be a lot more goals.

Why are we set up to play so open when we need points, a point away from home will do. Very stupid management here with this game plan. Bugger it.

Andy Meighan
35 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:01:53
I think these posts say it all. Four words: dickhead on borrowed time.
David Waugh
36 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:57:11
Martinez must go as we're heading for relegation. Why should we expect anything to change? Where would change come from under this regime?

The dream is over.

Damage limitation and staying up is the focus now.

Not felt this despondent since the Mike Walker days.

Neil Gribbin
37 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:05:30
Just go Martinez.
The issue is you I am afraid to say.
You are too arrogant and pig headed to change, so just go.
Chris Regan
38 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:05:24
Alcaraz is still on and getting skinned, fuk me when will this twat learn. Alcaraz is one of the worst players we have had I. Long time, along with Robles. Oh and Kone.
Nigel Rickman
39 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:06:45
Total disarray... this has got 4 - 0 all over it.
Zahir Jaffer
40 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:03:17
Its like being impotent. You build your body you work out and stuff and you can't even get it up. Whats the point of all this possession when you cant bang it in. They've just been teasing around the box without being able to penetrate.
Jim Bennings
41 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:04:17
Utter shambles..

There is no other way of describing this current team and the manager, and his staff.

It just shows that hard work and a bit of desire and fire in your belly can go a long long way.

We can’t blame Robles, we can’t blame Alcaraz, we were and have been just as bad if not worse earlier in this season, with Howard in goal.

Utter heartless spineless bunch of players here.
No Cahill type character or Carsley or a proper creative midfielder like Arteta, I mean proper proper creative midfielder.

By the way respect to Jelavic, nice one mate!

Wish we still had you when you look at the dross out there nowadays.

Clive Rogers
42 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:11:14
Naismith is awful. A championship player.
Mark Rimmer
43 Posted 01/01/2015 at 15:49:48
This guy is turning our proud club into an embarrassment. If he stays we're going down, if not this season then the next. BK has to step up now and end it before it's too late. We have the players to stay up, we just need to put someone in that can get us back to doing the basics again for some stability.
Jim Bennings
44 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:11:38
Jelavic 6th goal of the season and playing well.

Same amount of goals as Lukaku.

Jelavic looking a good player, lively and works hard (which we knew already)

Andy Crooks
45 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:15:31
I decided never to mention Duffy again ,but, is this the best we can do at centre back. Really?
Chris Regan
46 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:18:33
What score would we have to get beat by for Kenwright to sack Martinez?
Jim Bennings
47 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:15:37
Even Leicester one of our relegation rivals are at least making a fight of it at Anfield.

Imagine us having 8 shots at Anfield??

We need to wake the fuck up this season, a few weeks away I mentioned relegation in a tongue in cheek fashion but now it's a very very real possibility.

Chris Regan
48 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:22:03
Andy Crooks 45, How badly do you rate Alcaraz? He was signed injured like Kone and has been pathetic whenever Ihave see him. Jagielka is getting on but Alcaraz was never in his class.
Jim Bennings
49 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:22:42
Andy Crooks.

I will bring it up for you mate regarding Duffy.

I said it on the summer but was shouted down by everyone saying that we were also certs to fight for the top 4..

As you put it Andy, is this the best defence we can put out?

Burnley equalize at Newcastle..

Everyone showing fight apart from this bunch of losers that we support.

Nigel Rickman
50 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:25:43
This Hull team are dropping on their feet all over the place and we still can't break them down.
Joe Duffin
51 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:19:41
#41 Jim, we can blame Robles and Alacaraz, but ultimately its Martinez who picks them.
Alacaraz, was bought to fit the style of playing from the back, unfortunately he cant defend and isn't as committed as we are used to (thinking of the likes of Jags, Watson, Unsworth, Carsley, Hibbert, even Lescott).

Robles is just a typical continental goalkeeper of average ability. Likes to punch when its easier to catch, same for shots, will on average try to push away rather than hold. He just isn't very good.

28M was too much for Lukaku.

The only thing really changed from last season (asides from a few more injuries), is the system has "progressed".

Phil Sammon
52 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:25:10
Well I didn't think I'd be saying this...but I've seen enough. Martinez doesn't have it in him to turn this around. He's going to take us down...and focus only on the positives while he's doing it. I'm sick of having my intelligence insulted by the man.
Mike Price
53 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:25:02
Naismith is a Championship player, maybe that's why we've just extended his contract to 2019!!
Steven Telford
54 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:25:22
Remember the beautiful overlapping runs we used to see down the left from Pienaar and Baines? Then last season we were doing similar stuff on the right flank. But now, nothing like that.

What are we even doing?????

Jay Sean
55 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:32:35
Pass it round the back and get caught out every week and concede more goals. Even Jelavic has scored against us!
Clive Rogers
57 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:35:49
Mike, I judge him on his performance on the pitch, not the length of his contract. Howard, Hibbert and Osman have all got new contracts. Which tells you the state we are in.
Andy Meighan
58 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:37:34
I’m on holiday and just put the BBC website on and it said Everton have offered very little in this second half. And that to me says everything about this sorry excuse for a manager. Three blanks in our last four games and still refusing to change his approach... we are in big big trouble!
Anthony Hughes
59 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:32:04
Complete and utter garbage again. We are well and truely involved in the relegation battle now. Sorry Roberto but you're just not up to it.
Clive Rogers
60 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:39:45
Mike, just got what you mean. You're right.
Jim Bennings
61 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:36:13
We have nothing to offer.

We have picked many different players this season,from Howard to Robles, to Lukaku, to Eto'o, from Barry to Besic, to McGeady to whoever but none have been able to do anything.

The second half as been as meek as the first, you just know when Everton fall behind in a match the game is over.

Lack of talent us one thing and blaming formations but the one thing every fan will not forgive is the lack of heart and passion, the lack of desire and want and I see that in way TOO MANY of our players.

Andy Crooks
62 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:42:29
I defy any Everonian to defend this. I defy any Evertonian to come up with a decent argument why this spineless relegation haunted charlatan should not be sacked immediately. The chairman must act.
Andy McLawrence
63 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:39:24
I know I said during the week not to panic but frig that. If the players have given up on the manager or vice versa, then something needs to give. Suggest BK speaks to senior players and takes it on from there
Chris Regan
65 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:43:37
Fuck me, loads of people were power-wanking over this team last season. What's happened is Martinez has increased his influence over the playing style and this is what we are left with. Clueless and getting beat by teams on losing steaks.

This cunt won't quit either, only fan protest will get rid of him.

We are getting wanked on by Hull! We will see how much of a Blue Kenwright really is. Does this result truly hurt him?

Clive Rogers
66 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:47:33
Fans walking out early again.
Tahir Abdullah
67 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:49:11
Does this constitute a crisis?
Phil Rodgers
68 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:50:18
Please Bill, end this now!
Jim Bennings
69 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:49:14
We should be glad we haven't lost this 5-0 if Hull had more quality they would have racked up a seriously big win the chances they've had.
Daniel Joseph
70 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:45:45
let's hope they don't appeal the sending off
Bill Gall
72 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:51:23
If they appeal I might be the only thing they win
Steven Telford
73 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:45:15
94 mins - 3 shots on target.
Free flowing attacking football you say

Hull 5 shots on target - two of which went in.

Jelavic played the clown to get that second yellow for Alcaraz

Matthew Correal
74 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:49:19
Yet again, no game plan...The extra worrying element is that at least we dominated possession against Stoke, absolutely clueless today. It's hard to take in after the Moyes years of stability, unfortunately we're on a rocky road and I think Roberto is out of his depth. Lose to West Ham and the writing is on the wall.
Matt Traynor
75 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:53:51
It was a second yellow so you can't appeal it.

But top call Daniel #70 applauding the sending off. Top Blue right there. Alcaraz actually wasn't the worst player out there.

Lee Gray
76 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:52:56
Still trust Roberto....I don't!
He has to go!
Ian McDowell
77 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:53:22
What the hell is going on? How have things gotten so bad? The lack of fight @ 2-0 down clearly tells us something is seriously wrong.
James O'Connell
79 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:48:34
Easily beaten again by relegation candidates. Utter disgrace. To many over the hill and never were good enough players in this leaderless shambles.
Ian Hollingworth
80 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:54:03
Utter tripe no passion
Not once do they get you on the edge of your seat
Jamie Crowley
81 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:58:34
I love Roberto. I can't defend this any longer. No one can.

Barry on the pitch after a WOEFUL performance just sums it all up for me.

I'm off the cheer bandwagon officially.

Mike Price
82 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:53:51
Clive I agree with you, Naismith is rubbish, and the fact he was given that extension shows what a poor judge of a player our manager is. The way things are going we will be playing in the Championship at the level of a lot of our players.

I'm just shocked that so many of us appear to have been so wrong about Martinez, I actually feel defrauded right now.

Louis Parr
83 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:57:09
Take a look at Burnley. Behind 3 times today and showed persistence and desire to come back. Sunderland as well. Okay, they got beat but they were 2 down. Same with Leicester against the scum. They're all in the relegation battle.

What have we done? Nothing. No desire at all. Sick of it.

Tomasz Buczko
84 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:00:53
Just another gutless performance, no passion at all....
James Carlisle
85 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:00:33
Favourites for relegatiin in my eyes. There is no team as bad as us right now.

Also you'd be surprised to here that this was Hull's first home win in 3 months.

Colin Leary
86 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:01:22
He needs to go now... Clueless!
Jamie Crowley
87 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:00:51
Barry and Baines at fault for shit effort on both our goals.

Roberto pulls Mirallas – the only player likely to score – and Besic – the only player actually playing well – and keeps Baines and fucking Gareth Barry out there?! What... The... Fuck... ???

David Morgan
88 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:58:13
Roy Keane as next manager, a no-nonsense winner. Get someone else on recruitment.

His winning mentality combined with classic Man Utd tactic would kick these players up the arse.

Darryl Ritchie
89 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:56:50
There is something really, really wrong here! Martinez is going to football, his way. Come Hell or high water. The players can't (or won't) play the RM's style.

Something's got to give.

Martin Farrington
90 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:02:40
Surely Martinez should go?
David Cornmell
91 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:00:16
The first half really was shambolic. We got better, but we had to because we were playing some of the worst football I've seen by an Everton side for a while. The Wigan quarterfinal is genuinely the last time we were worse.

Dreadful stuff, and from a lineup identified as one of the team's strongest for many seasons. Vote of confidence time!

Ian McDowell
92 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:03:39
There must be something in the rumours that Martinez has had a major falling out with a few of the players.
Tony Doran
93 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:58:20
Feel very sorry for the fans who go the game spending hard earned cash. I havn’t been for ages and won’t be going anytime soon. We are all cupible for this as when things go well we take our eye off the main thing which is the board and looking for investment. Pressure needs to be put on Kenwright to sell up.
Nigel Rickman
94 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:01:00
I’m sorry but he just isn’t up to it, it’s all there to see. What’s wrong with Browning and Garbutt, at least they show some fight.
Matt Muzi
95 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:55:18
Woeful performance, that was Hull’s first home win of the season, that says it all for me.

Every time they went on the attack, we went to pieces, Hernandez having a field day and it says it all when Jellyfish had the game he had today.

For me, we need a massive clear out of deadwood players who simply aren’t good enough. If BK persists in keeping RM in post then the least he needs to do is bring someone in to kick that shower of a first team up the backside.

Who I don’t know, I’ve heard mutterings for Neville and even Irvine, whether they’re the answer or not is an other matter.

I am absolutely gobsmacked by how this season has gone so badly and frighteningly a lot of us could see the potential for this to happen in August, we should of signed another centre half and a new goalkeeper.

Tony Hill
97 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:03:07
The simple and very sad fact is that this team, or a major part of it, is not prepared to play for this manager. I don’t know why that is but I assume they have lost faith in him either personally or in his tactics or both.

It is no longer a matter of analysing our formations or selections, the only question is whether the players can be turned around to support RM. I doubt that very much and we cannot afford many more defeats while we find out.

Neil Pickering
98 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:02:33
I like our manager, and this is in essence the same team as last season, so I can only speculate something has happened and the players don’t want to play for him anymore. That’s all it can be, so Martinez has to go and someone must come in who can motivate what is generally a really good squad. I would love Klopp but I am dreaming I know!
Michael Polley
99 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:54:10
I’m numb with disbelief. I’ve supported are great club for 37 + years – this is a crisis & nightmare. Something drastic needs to be done. Martinez needs to go. He is destroying our great club with his denial and refusal to change things .The problem is there is no one of any pedigree available to take over. Of course the players must also take the blame – not one is performing anywhere near their best.

God forbid we get relegated. Hopefully we stay up and regroup during the summer. In the meantime, please God help us turn this around. I’ve never being so low & dejected about our performances.

Mike Walker
100 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:05:04
For what it is worth, I think Martinez. is loosing the dressing room. You do not become a bad team in 4 games... there is something very wrong. In my 55 years of watching Everton, I have not seen it this bad until DM took over... We are in a bad way.
William Tone
101 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:59:37
Unbelievable. I’m also a Jet fan in the NFL and it used to be that most weekends the positive feelings I would get watching Everton play beautiful, fluid attacking football while remaining solid at the back would inoculate me against the negative emotional effects of watching the complete shitshow that is the Jets. Those days are gone. Nobody played particularly well today, but Alcaraz was ludicrously awful. Barry was only slightly better. Kone looked completely gassed by 60’, occasionally became visible only to lose ball, get bullied by child cb with no prem experience. I have no idea how he stayed on the full 90. Beyond depressing.
Joe Kaliszczak
102 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:08:27
Deep down. I knew we’d lose today. I am an Evertonian through and through, but I can spot incompetence and bullshitting a mile off and, sadly, Roberto is full of both!
Patrick Murphy
103 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:07:32
With each passing game - no pun intended - a growing number of people are losing faith in the manager and his tactics as am I. Today wasn’t a day for pretty football it was a day to roll up the sleeves and get stuck in and come away with at least a point and keep Hull at arms length but after a bright start we continued to make poor choices and could and should have conceded a penalty before Hull took the lead, once Jelavic pounced on yet another error of judgement there was no way back for Everton and we could have played for 24 hours without looking like scoring. Bill Kenwright will recognise the mood among the supporters and for the good of Everton FC and nobody else he should say "thanks for all your hard work Roberto - but you are not the man for the job" - who comes in really doesn’t matter at this point but a change is required and now not in a week or a month but right now.
Kieran Riding
104 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:12:55
I said in another thread this week that the dressing room is in tatters and what players want out. Im afraid its got to be addressed NOW.
Roman Sidey
105 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:10:52
Was The Straq as bad as Kone? Surely he couldn’t have been.
James Stewart
106 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:09:41
Clueless tactics. Clueless subs. We got exactly what we deserved, fuck all.

Something has got to give and it’s Martinez. Get rid now while we still have a chance of improvement.

Also, is there a worse player in the league than Barry?! Liability... just get rid of the useless idiot.

Declan Martin
107 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:13:19
This is relegation form. The team is on a total slide. They have completely lost their way. We have turned into Wigan
Kelvin Thomas
109 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:55:24
Transfer window is open. Bill has a decision to make because a new manager will need to bring in players. No point sacking him in February!
John Daley
110 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:15:18
Roman, not that he’s facing stiff competition I know, but Kone has actually been one of our better players on the few occasions he’s been able to get out on the pitch this season. He’s certainly nowhere near the depths of Denis. Although one thing the arse-faced Argentinian adonis did possess in abundance was passion and fight. Two qualities lacking in almost all our players at present.
Martin Farrington
111 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:20:01
Martinez has to go!
Declan Martin
112 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:17:24
We’ll probably lose Coleman and McCarthy in the transfer window.

With this kind of form, why would they want to stay?

James Murphy
120 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:17:22
The fans have got to get the manager out sharpish. It’s our club, we are Everton — not Wigan. He can’t change things because he doesn’t know how to and for me that’s the reason why he’s got to go.

We can’t carry on with this style of play, it’s obvious to everyone except the manager that it’s not working and at the moment we are the easiest team in the league to set up against and beat. Time to go, Roberto.

Mike Powell
121 Posted 01/01/2015 at 16:59:55
Martinez has to go now — don’t wait to get beat by West Ham. No-one can defend the buffoon now he has been found out. He is not up to the job.
Christ Neubauer
122 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:12:47
Okay... so the "pivotal part of the season" is now over, what conclusions can be drawn? Well I’ll tell you! It’s time to prepare for life in the Championship. No fight, no passion, no bottle. The only thing they’ve got is the best supporters in the world.
Ian Burns
123 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:21:32
Out of his depth; delusional; lost the dressing room; no plan (Garbutt); I am staring at Sky Sports praying RM has walked.
Phil Walling
124 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:23:47
Turned into Wigan, Declan? Well, there’s a surprise for you. Today, we had five ex-Pie eaters in the team and five directing them.

We ARE bloody Wigan!

Ian Bennett
126 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:28:04
Declan (#118) – more worrying is Mirallas, he has 18 months left on his contract and is the only one who can hurt the opposition.
Mike Hughes
127 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:22:03
Not a lot to say that hasn’t already been said.

Just heard the RM post-match interview - notably comments about our bright start but sharp drop in confidence once we conceded.
To me, that either points to:
(1) Lack of character in the team and / or
(2) No faith in the system
Either way, the outlook isn’t good.

Not a point from Newcastle, Stoke, Southampton or Hull.
Not one single point.
My enthusiasm for the Europa and FA Cup is gone.
They are now distractions when we need 100% focus on the real issues.

P.S. Happy New Year!

Derek Knox
128 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:25:33
I am gutted with the result as most of of us are, but losing is one thing, the matter in which we lose is another.

There did not appear to be any urgency or fight from any of the players at all. I know it’s little consolation, but I remember losing games in the past, and thinking that they tried their best and lost to a better side, or a dodgy decision robbed us of a result.

Whereas this team at the moment, is devoid of confidence, ideas or commitment.

Karl Jones
131 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:28:39
Martinez has to go now while theres still time in the transfer market for a new manager to have an impact...The players need to scrap from now on and its definitely not going to happen under him. We’re losing games far too easily. Sunderland, QPR, Burnley, Leicester and WBA (with Pulis) are all teams who will fight till the end. Joe Royle till the end of the season for me.
William Tone
132 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:21:39
Philosophically, I very much agree with Roberto and believe that he could be a great manager if he had greater resources. But I think the scales have finally dropped from my eyes and I have to accept that he’s not going to get the job done here. Last season he hit the jackpot with a couple of very young players taking their games to the next level and a couple of older players having their best season in years. He seems to have banked on recapturing that magic again this season and it has been a disaster. There doesn’t appear to be any new Barkley or Stones on the horizon and all our 30+ players suddenly look like they’re 40. I have a hard time seeing how he gets out of this without either being given van Gaal levels of cash (which he won’t be, obviously) or jettisoning his ideals and pragmatically grinding out some results until he gets the ship righted (which I don’t think he’s capable of).
Andy Mack
133 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:14:09
Total freefall, worst form in the league, 3pts from last 18, City rolling up next premier match. Can Roberto really change this run by not doing much different at all, tinkering with personnel, but not with any real purpose, the style is right after all we are told. Nobody seems to know what they are supposed to be doing - which might be OK if this were the second friendly of the close season. Barry has proved us all wrong, he is a carthorse after all, so why is he not on the bench now and then? The teams who have just rolled over us are cannon fodder, so what does that make us.

The whole dynamic of the team is so wrong, new broom or a caretaker needed and a massive clearout of the sick and lame in Gibson, Pienaar, Alcaraz.

The whole thing is bemusing, and would be a right laugh if it were some other team.

Kevin Tully
134 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:32:05
Graeme Sharp gone missing from Radio City to take calls from the fans. My guess? He is advising Bill as we speak whether to pull the trigger or not.

The man has clearly lost the players, there is no turning back now I’m afraid. Sorry Bob, it was fun while it lasted.

Ant Summers
135 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:32:04
Shocking performance. I said they would be right at us, let’s all play a non-existent offside trap, FFS.

Jageilka’s demeanor at the start... laughing and joking with the referee at the coin toss... Hull captain... steely-eyed, no smile, no joking, on the job, professional...

David Sheen
136 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:21:27
Why does our team carry so many injuries? Why did Wigan have so many injuries when Martinez was in charge of them?. That is a common theme with Martinez’s squads.

I don’t think the players have lost faith and I don’t think there has been any fall out. I actually believe our players are simply not fit enough. That’s why they don’t close down the opposition.

We would be about fifth if games ended at HT. So it’s no surprise that our form suffers after going through a busy period. Other teams look sharper. It’s not that our players aren’t given 100%, it’s that they haven’t got 100% to give.

Drew Shortis
139 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:31:06
I have been a supporter of Martinez from day one but my faith in him this season is almost entirely gone. I agree with sticking to you principles, but when things are going as badly as they are now you have to be pragmatic and win points by any means possible. Nobody will care about our cultured style in the Championship!

We need to grind out a few results and look to secure safety so we can concentrate our efforts on Europe and the FA Cup. However, if our fortunes don’t change very soon we will be so mired in a relegation dogfight that we won’t be able to focus on the cups at all. I don’t care how we win for now (route one football would be fine) but if he doesn’t do something drastic soon he’s going to get the sack and/or get us relegated. Then his vision will be in tatters along with his reputation. Come on Roberto, snap out of it and do your job!

Brian Wilkinson
140 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:16:57
He is one stubbern manager, all the fans can see an ugly win is better than trying to play ole football, he just refuses to try a plan b.

Say what you like about ofm he had that team fully fit for 90 mins and a solid defence.

We look goosed after 75 mins this season and all over the place at the back.

Last season Baines, Coleman and Mirellas were ripping defences apart with attacking, now its playing square passes in our own half of the field and none of the three above mentioned can play to their strengths because of slow sideward passing.

Either go back to basics Roberto and attack with pace or you will be joining Mr Wheelen away from football.

The fans deserve better, lose the stubberness, cut out the ole sideways passing and get us an ugly win if need be.

Tom Brown
141 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:40:42
Nev Renshaw
142 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:30:07
Everton are not suited to RM’s style of football.We’re an English club not Spanish. We should be playing a more direct style, not this pit-a-pat shite.
John Daley
144 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:33:07

The all too ready acceptance of defeat from the players is the most worrying aspect of recent performances. At no point in any of them did we ever look like we were capable of (or even that interested in) getting back into it once the opposition had gone in front. Then, when you look at the quality of the teams we’ve recently been allowing to walk all over us, you really have to start to worry. It’s not like they’ve been tight affairs or narrow losses. We’ve been thoroughly outplayed, outfought/out thought, and lost individual battles in every area of the pitch from almost first minute until last.

My New Years resolution to lay off the whiskey went too shit in that second half as well.

Cliff Jones
145 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:14:43
Sometimes the tide sweeps you away. Roberto has a dream to get us playing like Spain. As we all know that system of playing doesn’t work anymore anyway unless you are the best of the best at it. We are miles away. Centre half and keeper a must. Need to play more direct and desire will return but can’t see this with Roberto. Shame but time is up!
Alfonso Orlando
146 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:25:54
I’m not a big fan of losing 4 games on the trot. But I’m also not going to knee jerk and write inflammatory comments either. The manager should not be sacked, the squad is being exposed, we need to add more quality players that can play the manager’s way.

Most of the better players have been misfiring or are injured. I have more faith in the manager and in the squad than anyone clearly irked enough to rail and wail. I think Irvine should be brought back as a coach. There is still much to play for this season, thankfully knee-jerk responses are not Bill Kenwright’s style, and he’s probably used to people on ToffeeWeb "disagreeing" with his management of the club’s affairs.

Martinez does not turn into a crap manager after 4 games, not after a season we had last year. All of this rumour about players falling out is Sky/Red top manufactured tosh. A year ago, Martinez was being touted as Arsenal’s or Barcelona’s next manager.

Get a grip people, show some spine, suck it in and see what’s going down. Martinez needs funds to add quality in the window, boost the squad’s numbers, bring in new faces to add confidence to the team. We need an attacking midfielder, a centre back and a goalkeeper. Loans would do... Deulolfeu permanently is a must.

Clive Lewis
147 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:35:23
BK has always said he would listen to the fans. Well he should do the right thing and sack Martinez because its an overwhelming vote of no confidence from the fans.
Eddie Dunn
148 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:28:38
What a depressing start to the year. What was Martinez doing taking off Mirallas and Besic at halftime? Barry was absolute shit and Alcaraz not much better.
It was a bit better second half with Oviedo playing well and Baines trying to make things happen.
Coleman was our best player and Ross almost got us back in to it.
However Kone was predictable and made poor choices when in promising positions and Lukaku is awful. His only strength is storming onto quick through balls, he has no other talents.
Naismith rushed his passes when in with a chance, and despite lots of effort, he looked out of position all second half.
Our problems are that we concede soft goals, give away possession in front of our 18 yard box, and our frontmen don’t know what those white sticks up the other end are.
I thought that the lads all tried hard, but individual errors, and lack of organisation undid any good work. (second goal was pure panto)

For me, as much as I like Roberto, he has to go, as he has not got a clue how to fix things, or bring the best out of this group of players.

Steve Brown
149 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:43:22
IF Martinez does leave, loads of managers would want to manage Everton with this squad.
Ian Bennett
150 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:45:03
Brent Stephens
151 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:45:16
I’ll be mighty worried if I see Bill allow Roberto to sign anybody in the window, as that will signal Bill’s confidence in RM and more of the same.
Steve Brown
152 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:46:33
Cant understand why he played 3-4-1-2 just to match up to Hull. If we’d stuck to basics it would have been a lot better.
Jay Doyle
153 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:42:46
Enough is enough. Fuck him off before he takes us down,( and he will do that btw).
Joe Royle to steady the ship till the end of the season with Duncan as no2.
Steve Brown
154 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:47:40
Ian not a fan of his but don’t know what Robles did wrong?
Steve Brown
155 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:49:10
Barry, Distin, Alcaraz, McGeady and Gibson need to be shipped out at the end of the season.
James Murphy
156 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:31:55
The problem I have with Roberto is that he is experimenting with this philosophy of his – on my club. It’s football suicide, he knows it’s killing the club but refuses to change the system. We are heading for a relegation fight and he still plays a losing system.

You have got to get back to basics; a bit of the Dogs of War wouldn’t go a miss at the moment.

Ian Bennett
157 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:49:48
Steve - and Howard. We need a top class keeper, and an able deputy. Currently we have got neither, and it is no surprise we are conceding 2+ a game with that collection. Martinez not working on the defensive side clearly is not acceptable and come West Brom will cost him his job.
Joe Clitherow
158 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:47:16
Winning is a habit, but so is losing. This loser won’t walk because he is doing his press stuff right now and still spouting shite about injuries.

Cut this cancer out now before it is too late.

Martinez Out now and ABM to replace him (Anyone But Martinez)

Shaun Laycock
159 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:47:04
Holy shit, I thought the last match was bad. Someone on another thread said we couldn’t get any worse and surely we had ’bottomed out’. I think we are well and truly on the slide after witnessing that shower. At one point Baines chased the ball down and got the player where he wanted him to force him to lose possession, he looked up and he was the only one doing it. The look on his face was priceless. Long old season this will be. I’d never thought I would say this but I would have preferred Sylvan Dustbin in Barry’s position today...he forgot to take the handbrake off before he went onto the pitch! I’ve seen milk turn quicker...
Gavin McGarvey
160 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:21:50
I feel a bit sad about Martinez being on the way out. I wanted him to succeed, if for nothing else he gave us a bit of hope that we might break the glass ceiling we have been banging our head against for the last 12 years.

Personally I can’t see it going on much longer. We need to buy in January so Bill will have to give the new manager however much cash he can find down the back of the sofa.

I think it’s a pity but it seems self evident that he has fallen out with the players. Now that the shit is hitting the fan, not enough are fighting for him. So, he has to go.

Even worse than our sudden loss of any sort of form are the names being mentioned for both managers and incoming transfers. We are still not, I believe, the kind of club that can waste millions on footballing thugs and managers that can’t see past the long ball.

We need to get a manager that is both a pragmatist and has style. As for players they need to have ability as well as aggression. Otherwise we will have a team full of Seth Johnson’s on prohibitive contracts, we will be unable to shift in the championship. Ask Leeds how that worked out. What did happen to Leeds?

Ray Said
161 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:51:03
Who would take Gibson or Alcarez with their injury record?
Who (apart from EFC) would offer Barry an equal deal to the one he is on at Goodison?
Who would offer more than two quid from McGeady?
We bought them and we are stuck with them-we need a manager who can get a tune out of them.
Mark Rimmer
162 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:43:01
I think if the players are purposely not giving 100% because of some gripe with Martinez then that’s a disgrace! They should forget about the gripe and start playing for the club and the fans! Don’t they realise what this club means to some Evertonians! It’s their life! Some fans live for this club!
Mike Hughes
163 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:41:24
We have broken our transfer record to buy a striker proven at this level. Yet we play a system that does not suit him at all. That, to me, is criminal enough.

Then there is a defence which really got into the spirit of Christmas (well, they started the season off that way so why change during Yuletide?)

Just waiting to see who’ll be rolled out now for the inevitable "we must do better" toss.

I could take defeats if there was a sign of some passion and the result was due to bad luck. We’ve had plenty of that over the years. Glorious defeat and hard luck stories.

But we currently appear gutless and spineless.

That is not acceptable in any walk of life, certainly not in sport, and definitely not for Everton FC.

Clive Lewis
164 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:52:49
BK could be putting pressure on himself to step down if he allowes us to get relegated. He should listen to the fans and do the right thing. Any chance of a poll being setup to confirm the obvious feeling?.
Eddie Dunn
165 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:50:44
Incidentally, Alcaraz made Distin look like Desailly!
Mike Price
166 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:52:59
Going to cost us a lot of money...terrible and/or old players on lucrative contracts that we can’t give away. Martinez signed a lucrative deal after last season too, and what to do about Lukaku, hope he comes good or get rid at a huge discount.

Relegation will cost us a lot more though.

Ray Said
168 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:58:32
Unfortunately, there is no escape from Alcaraz.
Drew Shortis
169 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:45:13
If Kenwright is going to stick with Martinez he needs to spend this January on two or three solid players who will inject some fight into the team. But would Martinez bring in this kind of scrapper or is he so fixated on his vision he won’t deviate from the plan despite its current failure?

I would like to believe the money and the will to spend it wisely will turn our season around, but I have a horrible feeling neither will happen. At the moment it feels like we are sleepwalking towards disaster. Please prove me wrong Bill & Bob!

The other option is one I am loathe to see happen as I really did buy into Martinez’s vision, but ultimately the future of this club is paramount and I would rather eat humble pie on these forums and forget my dreams if it leads to the best outcome for our beloved club. Right now I would happily eat my words and welcome back OFM or a Tony Pulis type, even if it was only until we were safe.

Long term we do need to be brave and try a new path, but perhaps with our lack of resources the experiment is just a pipe dream. Perhaps I didn’t appreciate what OFM did for us. We got used to being the best of the rest and yearned for a visionary who could defy the odds and give us the belief to take us into the promised land of the CL. Perhaps we were greedy and should have just been satisfied with what we had.

Confused. Hoping for the best. Fearing the worst.

Marcus Reynolds
170 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:40:53
It’s time to shit or get off the pot Mr kenwright. Our great club is going down the toilet fast.the players do not believe in RM STYLE of football. Theirs no doubt the players have lost faith in him. No amount of cheque books being opened in the month will solve our problem.please SACK him asap so we can salvage what’s left of our season.40 points is our goal now.forget about the Europa league one the FA cup
Roger Helm
171 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:41:53
I have been supporting Everton for 40 years and I have seen some pretty poor teams during that time but I can’t remember a team which looked so unfit, physically weak, poorly-motivated, badly organised and pedestrian. At least in the past we made the opposition work for their victories.

We have the second-worst defence in the PL; we have gifted goals by individual mistakes more than any other (10 before today); we have made fewer tackles and interceptions than any other team; we have lost more points from winning positions than any other team.

All this, it seems to me, is due to how the team is sent out. According to Luke Garbutt, there seems to be no defensive coaching at all.

What is even more concerning is that Martinez doesn’t even seem to think that there is a problem. He intends to go on with this slow sideways-passing predictable style when what we need right now is to avoid mistakes, work harder, keep a defensive shape and become hard to beat.

Martinez’ attacking football was great when it was succeeding, but now the situation is changed - we are in a relegation battle. A failure to get two wins from the next four games, especially if the style of play is not changed, and I think BK will need to think about getting a more pragmatic manager. I know it is not good to change managers lightly, but any more of this and we will be in the Championship next season.

Joe Clitherow
172 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:56:28
Mark 168 I think if the players have zero confidence in Martinez, like 95% of the fans who see what he is doing,it is difficult to see where else they go, except out of the club.

They seem to have followed instructions but constant failure at any job will destroy the morale of anyone

Clive Lewis
173 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:01:11
Apparently Martinez looking at a new goalkeeper, guess where from yes Wigan. This is the final straw for me this clown is ruining our beloved football team. BK do the right thing now!.
Nigel Rickman
174 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:53:51
On a positive note, it can’t get any worse.........can it?
Dave Lynch
175 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:57:16
I and a few others where pilloried on here for suggesting the EL would be a distraction that would cost us.

RM IMO appears to have earmarked this competition and stupidly thought the prem would look after itself, well guess what Roberto? You have fucked up big time and you won’t even acknowledge the fact.

New manage? I fear the damage has already been done. We need an outsider who will rip up the idiots blueprint and start again.

Don’t know who but I know one thing, we have to start fighting like a wounded animal because we are not good enough to play our way to safety.

Daniel A Johnson
176 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:06:19
Sacrifice the Europa League for Premier League status, if you ask me.
Ray Roche
177 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:05:31
If you check on the Official Website you’ll see that there are tickets in all areas with availability as "very good" can get a good seat ANYWHERE. There is nothing like empty seats to focus a Board’s mind as to what to do about a manager...
Ian Riley
178 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:38:39
No fight, No energy! Its over for the manager! If the players are not playing for him, there remains one outcome. I have started looking at other teams results below us, before ours. How the bookies had us as favourites today is a joke, what evidence?

The manager is not going to walk, why should he. A big pay off will be required, he will be lucky to get another premier league job. I cannot believe how bloody pear shaped its gone. The players have no fitness levels due to the nature of football we play. The pre season shit has continued and now we are pass half way in the season.

Are we up for the fight? No! Thankfully three other teams are worse! Sadly the stats show we are one of them.

By the way Happy New Year!

Nev Renshaw
180 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:04:50
Somebody said to me in the pub the other night, ’wouldn’t it be great if we could have Harry Kane in our team’. After thinking about it I just said he would only go the same way as all the other good scorers we’ve had over the seasons, and just dry up. It’s a thing that seems to happen at Everton for some reason, we ruin players, don’t know why, it just happens.
Al Reddish
181 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:04:05
We need an Evertonian in to run things. Only we know what we need to make this club of ours great again. In fact since the war, the only managers to lead us to silverware have been ex blues players. I remember Carsley saying he couldn’t believe the cheers he would get for a block tackle and hard work when he first arrived. That’s the Everton way. We appreciate effort and hard work. Losing is less painful when players and management give 100%.
Richard Lyons
183 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:01:29
BK will not sack "Martinex" - or only when it’s already too late.

Do you think Mr T-Rex would have been able to change the course of history if someone had said "By the way, Mr T-Rex, there’s a whopping great asteroid heading this way, and unless you do something, it is going to crash into the earth with cataclysmic effects"?

Colin Leckey
184 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:08:16
Can’t remember a ToffeeWeb thread where there has been so much unanimity about anything, ever. As someone further up said, it was nice while it lasted, but Martinez has to go. I think now that we just got lucky last season: basically, just Moyes’s always well drilled defence, playing as they always had without interference from Martinez, plus a couple of signings that played above themselves for a season.

There is still hope, because I still think this is one of the most talented squads we’ ve probably ever had at least in premier league days, but all this manager is going to do is take us down. Not sure who I’d bring in, but someone, anyone who can start by organising a defence - Big Sam?
Daniel A Johnson
185 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:13:26
You can almost imagine a new manager coming in and shaking his head in disbelief at What Martinez was doing
Andy Crooks
186 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:05:43
It is time for Bill Kenwright to ,for once , show leadership. This coach is, gutless, inept, out of his depth and becomes more dislikeable with every insulting, toe curling, inane , half witted piece of arrogant shit he spouts.His performance this season has, in my view, been the worst , considering the squad, in the history of our club. There has been some admirable defence of him by Evertonians but I cannot see how his complete lack of any semblance of tactical nous can be tolerated. He is a weak nonentity and must go.
Al Reddish
187 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:14:37
"We need to find solutions internally."......which suggests to me BK is reluctant (more than is usual!) to back him with any more funds.
Daniel A Johnson
188 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:19:00
Never seen so many fans calling for a sacking
Al Reddish
189 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:19:05
Don’t know if it has been mentioned already on this thread, but someone posted earlier Big Nev has indicated two big stars are leaving Everton. Hope he means Barry and McGeady!
Brent Stephens
190 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:09:12
Transition period we are still in - transition from relegation contenders to safe Premiership position.

To ensure a "successful" transition:
1. sod the FA Cup and the Europa - use them to rest players, to experiment, whatever, but not to aim to progress in them.
2. don’t give RM dosh to buy any players suited to his style.
3. ditch RM forthwith and bring in (or up) somebody who can save us this season (then review after that).
4. OR a player "rebellion", taking things into their own hands ON the pitch (not that I can see the latter happening).

Mike Hughes
191 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:12:53
When RM arrived I was underwhelmed but open-minded and prepared to give him a chance.

I thought EFC’s first foreign manager might open exciting avenues to hidden gems of talent on the continent.

Turns out he’s got a hot-line to Wigan.

I’m sorry to say it but he’s definitely on borrowed time.

Discarding the FA Cup, if EFC don’t take 4 points from the next 2 matches (City and WBA) and I can’t see it on current form then it’s taxi time. And that’s me being extremely charitable.

(In desperation, I’d even take someone else’s suggestion on here of McLaren. I don’t mean Steve, I mean that girl who used to be in Atomic Kitten.)

Joe Clitherow
192 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:13:34
So I checked relegation odds

Before Stoke 66/1
Before Hull 50/1
Now 33/1

Next week we play Man City and I genuinely can’t see, on plummeting form from last March, 3 teams worse than us.

What will the odds be next week? Do we still have people stating with certainty that we are not facing a relegation battle?

We may have better players but every team in the division seems to me to be better organised than us and we are a team with no heart. I think BK may be installing Uber on his phone right now to get a taxi for Sr Martinez.

Kunal Desai
194 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:18:06
It won’t get any easier i’m afraid, i’m predicting 0 or maybe 1 point from the next 5 leagues.
The 1 solitary point perhaps coming against Palace but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Man City, WBA, RS and Chelsea all losses.

Merry Fucking Xmas and Happy New Year - 0/12 points. Signed Roberto Martinez.

Daniel A Johnson
195 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:25:41
Within 5 matches we could be bottom 3
Bill Gall
196 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:20:17
l Living in Canada I have no right in saying this because as a former season ticket holder I do not think I would do it but it seems that the only way B.K. or any member of the board will take notice of the supporters is if they stop going to goodison .

Messages being sent by electronic sites will not do any good as the devices recieving them can be switched off.

Gerard Carey
197 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:20:08
Time for change, but who do you get in. RM is slowly but surely taken us the Wigan route to the Championship.
David Holroyd
198 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:23:05
Martinez has to go, another turgid performance. We need a couple of players in this transfer window, but Kenwright will do nothing. Alcaraz was always going to be sent off sooner or later, he is the slowest player in the Premier League.
Jim Bennings
199 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:26:44

The Europa League has got nothing at all to do with this mess.

We haven’t played a meaningful match in it since Wolfsburg on November 27 and we won’t play in it until the last week in February.

Its not the Europa, nor was it the League Cup (ahem, another annihilation job at Swansea) it’s just a woeful woeful team we have.

John Britton
202 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:26:08
So, the nightmare continues with another abject insipid performance. BK needs to act now and get rid of this clown before its too late.

I’m dreading West Ham next week. Joe Royle would do for now, as he would get some fight back into this lot before it’s too late. We don’t need Barcelona football with Wigan Athletic results! Dogs of War would do for me any time rather than this crap.

Patrick Murphy
203 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:28:43
Bill - A half empty disenchanted Goodison Park in front of the watching TV audience will probably make the board members sit up and notice. I usually love FA Cup third round day but that along with the EL are not priorities for me as we have taken only 4 points from a possible 24 and are embroiled in a dog-fight with a team who don’t know how to chisel out results and a manager who thinks we can football our way out of it.
Brian Wilkinson
204 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:13:01

Get big Dunc to throttle Lukaku and kick him up the backside, get Moyes defence mindset in our back four, add Kendalls 85 season attack from both flanks, add to that Joe Royles dogs of war midfield and we just might have something with this squad.

Not sure what big Nev is up to but a goalkeeping coaching role at Goodison would not go amiss, there again coco the clown could teach a keeper how to catch a ball.

Personally I would bring in Joe Royle and Alan Irvine in short term to steady the ship, no doubt abot it, Martinez has lost the dressing room and no natural leader in the team.

Phil Walling
205 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:07:24
I think Martinez has been on a mission to change the face of English football ever since his days at Swansea.

Yesterday, a Wigan based relative loaned me a book called ’The Numbers Game’ by Chris Anderson and David Sally which virtually says as much.

Martinez is certainly the book’s hero and all his theories regarding the uselessness of corners and free-kicks are explained and justified in some detail.

Possession is king- and although there are recent comments from the likes of Wenger questioning the sterility of such obsession, our man gets loud applause for his introduction and championing of the technique.

Roberto’s failure to maintain Wigan’s Premier status is clouded over by his FA Cup success and his consequent transfer to our club.

In short, the man comes over a bit like ’the mad professor’ whose obsession is with the process of his experiments rather than their outcome.

My worry has always been that as it had all gone wrong at Wigan it was sure to go wrong here - and so it has proved. Horny old pros like Jagielka, Distin and Barry don’t take easily to leaning new tricks and their younger colleagues are just confused.

Everton FC is no place for staging wistful experiments and Martinez should never have been given the opportunity to present them here, however convincing was his interview with BK.

Now, the curtain should go down on Bill’s disastrous production and a manager whose currency is points rather than possession appointed without delay.

John Steadman
206 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:36:43
Harold Matthews
208 Posted 01/01/2015 at 17:16:18
Very badly coached and no organization anywhere. Also, far too soft. Instead of getting tight and closing down the cross for their first goal, Coleman tried to duck out of the way. Baines was then bullied out of it at the far post but we know he can’t defend.

Not a lot of class or pace. Naismith looked like a very willing lower league player. Coleman and Mirallis like to play tippy tappy in the corner instead of crossing the ball. Barry has lost his zip and he’s here for another two and a half years. Can’t even think about Lukaku.

Besic did okay, Baines looked better in the middle and Oviedo was fine.

Not sure the system was at fault today. More a lack of organization, real pace and very little movement when in possession. Eleven strangers against a team with a plan.

Performances can only get better because, right now, we are the weakest team in the league. Europa and the FA cup are of no interest to me now. There are far more important issues on the table.

Ian Tunstead
209 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:24:02
Well I must admit, I got it wrong about Martinez, I made a prediction when he first arrived as Everton manager that he would have us fighting relegation after a couple of seasons. My thinking was that he had taken over a top 6 side, but as players got older he wouldn’t be able to replace them with the required quality. I thought this would take at least a couple of years though but he is actually not even living up to my low expectations.

He has a very good side there that should be challenging for Europe. He looks like he is on the verge of setting us back 10 years in less than 2 years. It is criminal. The cup competitions are the only thing keeping him in his job.

Neil Pickering
210 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:40:20
I think the problem may be stemming from the beginning of last season when Martinez took over. The players under Moyes were rarely praised and made a fuss of, as Osman alludes to in his book, and then they get Martinez spouting about how great they all are and as a result you get last season’s performances.

This season, we haven’t hit the ground running but I bet Martinez is still spouting the same old shite about how good they are instead of kicking a few arses. The players notice this, along with Martinez’s refusal to change, and very quickly lose respect for him. He’s probably sounding like a broken record in that dressing room right now, and I personally see no way back unless he gets tough.

It’s not the players who are soft it’s clearly the manager. Give players any excuse for poor performance and they will take it all day.

Andrew Wayne
211 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:28:50
A regular visitor to ToffeeWeb and season ticket holder I don’t usually post messages but today’s abject performance left me absolutely furious. It was without doubt the most inept half-hearted incompetent display I have seen – and I have seen a few.

I told my son after Stoke that we would get nothing out of Newcastle and Hull and it is dispiriting to be right. We are relegation fodder and I cannot see a win or even a goal coming from anywhere.

I was open-minded about Martinez when he arrived and thought last season was a total revelation after years of dire football under Moyes but I am afraid he has lost the dressing room and is losing the fans rapidly. I would bet on Barkley going in January and he is playing like he knows it. We have been awful and I cannot see it getting any better.

It is not just that we are playing badly but that Martinez doesn’t seem to be able to see it. I am just watching Spurs give Chelsea a lesson in bottle and as much as I hate to say, saw the RS give Swansea a similar lesson. We have no heart and the key players have gone missing big time. I don’t have any conclusions or magic-bullet theories but I don’t see that Roberto has any answers.

Daniel A Johnson
212 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:47:27
Our work when not in posession sums us up, lazy and bone idle no heart no fight
Andy Crooks
213 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:42:50
Martinez has always been self serving. He wants to be seen as a Visionary and sees single mindedness as a necessary trait to achieve this. Unfortunately for our club he is utterly devoid of the acumen required. He destroyed Wigan, no matter what his defenders say I believe a pragmatic coach would have a saved them. He sees Everton as a stepping stone but really must be stopped now. He is a charlatan, a snake oil salesman and an arrogant nonentity. He will destroy our club and desert .
Brian Harrison
214 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:33:23
Well yet another defeat and the charlatan still comes out and says we started brightly, he meant the first 5 to 7 minutes. I only heard Graeme Sharps commentary and he kept saying the system isn’t working.

The only bright spot is that BK has got a man on the books Joe Royle who can steady the ship till the end of the season and will give BK time to make the right choice this time. I have said before in the 60 years I have watched Everton I couldn’t ever ever imagine appointing a man who had just got his team relegated. Surely BK wasn’t fooled by Wigans cup win, because I could give him a list as long as your arm of managers who have won the cup that I wouldn’t allow anywhere near managing Everton.

Simon Davis
215 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:38:45
After another bloody debacle the best news I could hope for tonight would be the sacking of Roberto Martinez. If the club needed a reason gross incompetence would be fine and this is not a knee-jerk reaction based on the last few results. Let’s leave it at that hope and pray it happens as to continue with this deluded and poisonous(what is worse he is not aware of it) man will have us in the Championship before you can blink.
The way forward as I see it is to try to tempt a manager of standing in the game, who has won virtually every trophy you can win in England and Europe and who will command the respect of the players at Goodison Park, some of whom have very tarnished reputations, notwithstanding the malign influence of RM. There is only one candidate who fits this bill and I understand the links he still has with Merseyside may make this something worth pursuing. I hoped he would have been approached when Moyes left and wrote to that end on ToffeeWeb at the time. Understandably because of his "pedigree" it received a mixed reaction but I implore BK and his minions to make every effort to tempt Rafa Benitez to become the new manager of Everton Football Club as soon as possible.
Matt Muzi
216 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:40:37
I’ve never been a fan of BK, but the last time he had to get rid of a manager he did so & got OFM in to take over, which to be fair was a great decision.

The issue at the moment with getting rid of Martinez is, who do you bring in to replace him & how much will it cost. I think last time we sacked a manager the board were prepared for it & had done their homework. I wonder how much work they’ve done to look for a new manager.

Kevin Tully
217 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:50:27
Every stat points to us being presently the worst team in the P.L. Tackles, points lost from winning poitions, goals conceded, errors leading to goals, etc. etc.

We are on a massive downward trajectory, and it’s getting worse every game. Who would back Martinez (and this bunch of shithouse players, they deserve criticism) to turn this position around?

I wouldn’t, so he has to go I’m afraid.

Ste Traverse
218 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:58:53
Simon #222

I too wanted to see Rafa replace Moyes, and posted it on here many times. I’ve no qualms he used to manage them. He’d certainly tighten up our joke backline and has an excellent cv.

Tony Hill
219 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:50:49
Pace would make a great difference. Like others, I fear it’s too late for Martinez but if we could get Januzaj, and Deulofeu back, in January it would be a serious boost. The PL game is about pace nowadays and we have very little.

I have no idea if there is truth in the rumours of two significant players going but it wouldn’t astonish me if Seamus goes to United (I hope not but I suspect it has mileage) and if we were to get big funds to use (might Barkley be another to go?) then we might be in a position to reinforce in a major way.

I am clutching at straws I know and speculating wildly but these are desperate times. Of course, whether anyone would want RM to spend the money is, as I say, a very different matter.

Tony Sullivan
220 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:47:54
Type or paste your comment here. PLEASE capitalise initial letters of proper names and use proper grammar. No txt-speak; all-lowercase posts are likely to be deleted
Sam Hoare
221 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:56:43
The results have been bad. But most worryingly the performances even worse. And that’s what leads me to wonder how on earth this is going to get turned around.

BK will be desperate not to sack him as it will make him look a bit foolish for starters. But if this level of performance and commitment continues then soon there will not be much choice.

Its very hard to see where the points are going to come from and no team is too good to get relegated when their players look as demoralised as ours do right now. I would say Martinez has 4-6 weeks to get a win or two and steady the ship or else Kenwright’s hand will be forced.

Part of me wants him to get it right and return us to the pretty and effective football we saw in parts last season. And part of me wants him out as soon as possible for his stubborn refusal to change things up when they are clearly not working this season.

How I long to actually want to watch Match of the Day. Is that too much to ask for?!

Roger Helm
222 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:08:00
I don’t like defeats but what is much, much worse is the lack of effort and physical commitment. I don’t think I have seen that before from an Everton side, and the manager has to bear responsibility.
Bill Gall
223 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:07:31
People talking about how mutch will it cost to replace Martinez-- I think it will cost a hell of a lot less than if we finish any lower in the league at the end of the season.
Joe Clitherow
224 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:10:29
I think by the way he was ducking tackles today that Seamus is tapped and on his way, and a decent offer for Barkley would probably be very tempting. His value must be dropping at a rate of knots and if he ever develops into what we thought he could be it sure as shit won’t be here with this incompetent buffoon
Neil Gribbin
225 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:14:32
The lack of fight and grit are the most disturbing.
I’ve just watched his post match interview, he kept banging on about "togetherness". I think he has lost the dressing room and that concerns me.
Mike Hughes
226 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:15:44
But who would you give the resultant funds to Joe?
Matt Muzi
227 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:14:10
To quote directly a friend of mine:

We’re sh&*e in attack,
We’re w@%k in defence,
The school of science is NOT coming back!

Brian Hennessy
228 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:10:46
I have stopped short of asking for Roberto to be sacked before today but this I’m afraid is the final straw.

The players must take some responsibility but ultimately it is up to the manager to get the best from his players and Roberto is quite simply not doing that.

We are without doubt performing as the worst team in the league at the moment, incredible whe you see the players we have at our disposal.

As much as I have liked Roberto for what he gave us for all of last season It’s time for Bill to send him on his way.

Maybe get Joe Royle to fill in as caretaker with Alan Irvive as coach (if he would come back which I doubt he would) until we can find a permanent boss.

Joe Clitherow
229 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:16:50
Mike 233.

Again I’d give funds to ABM (Anyone But Martinez) cos he’s pissed enough of our cash away. And I’m not talking Lukaku here by the way, I’m talking 3 years for Barry with zero recoupment etc. As a club we have had a pretty sound buy and develop (and sometimes sell on) policy which has worked well for us even if it has pissed us off sometimes.

Martinez is dismantling the club rapidly both on and off the field but I can’t see him being allowed to do it this window to be honest.

Ah if only we still had the likes of Sir John in charge - an Evertonian and completely single minded and ruthless

Phil Walling
230 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:16:26
It is all about when BK feels there is a positive likelihood of relegation that he will act. He cannot risk us falling out of the Premier as then his investment is worth nothing.

The same can be said for his ’mystery backers’ who may be far less sentimental towards Roberto than Bill himself.

Last year’s accounts showed the business was moving in the right direction - now it’s going south at a great rate of knots. ’The Great Entrepeneur ’ can expect a call anytime soon !

Jay Griffiths
231 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:09:37
Back from Hull! We dived out on 72 mins. We witnessed an appalling decision to play Barry and Alcaraz at the back. Both so slow it’s tragic to watch Jags scrambling to try and cover for them.

Noticed an interesting aside. On about 70 mins, Hull had a free kick after an Alcaraz foul outside our box. Martinez walked out of his technical area and waited by the mouth of the tunnel. Jones stood in the technical area. Don’t know if Bob was ready to disappear if the shot went in.

Anyhow, I was as seduced by Martinez as many. It’s over. I’ve seen dross under Bingham, a good team go bad quick under Lee, train wrecks under Kendall Mk 2 & 3 and pain with Smith. As sure as eggs are eggs, this team is finished under Martinez. Something needs to be done quick.

Thanks very little for the scarfs today, EFC. I’ll put it with the hats from Southampton!

Tony Twist
232 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:20:00
Another game down and one more to go with a loss in the FA cup and then fingers crossed even BK will act and get rid of Martinez. Unfortunately there are not many good managers available. Pulis is not good but would have served a purpose of preventing us from going down but I am not sure the likes of Sherwood will be up to the task. Please let us not go down the road of an ex Everton player, no to Joe Royle, the game has moved on since his day, Stubbs, too big a job for one so inexperienced. The only ex Evertonian I would consider is Slaven Bilic but I can not see him coming (if he has any sense). I think the players are ok and are more than able to turn things around with the right manager to direct them.
Drew Shortis
233 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:18:11
Phil Walling 211
It’s been a long time coming but I’m finally coming round to what you have been saying all along. It hurts me to say that as I had such high hopes for Martinez but the evidence is there for all to see at the moment. I still hope he puts his principles on hold and does what is necessary to stop the slip, but it is does look like he has no plan B.

I never had any fears about Everton going the same way as Wigan due to our resources and support in comparison to theirs and I also looked to Swansea’s success as evidence that his philosophy would work. I now fear that he has tried to do too much too quickly with too little investment. We desperately need a plan B for those. increasingly regular, days when plan A fails. I just hope he realises and accepts this before things go too far!

James Flynn
234 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:24:36
Phil (237) - Dead on.

Those who have the financial stake will not view the Club’s position as we do. Relegation will be seen by them as a disaster just as it would for us. Again, though, for a different reason.

Gotta believe, "There goes my fucking money!", will be the deciding factor on Roberto, not Lukaku isn’t getting service.

If we don’t start winning pronto, can’t see Bill, or whoever it is controls the purse strings, waiting too much longer.

Ian Smitham
235 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:26:25
I posted that I believe big JR should take over until the end of the season a couple of weeks ago. I do not want to repeat his credentials which I outlined previously. Had thought of DF being alongside him, but above it has been suggested AI, which I would support.

A longer term solution of RB is unlikely I think, but a good one nevertheless. McClaren is also a good shout for me. But I am sure there are plenty who would be qualified and would want the job.

The problem Bill has is that clearly changes are needed and there are suddenly a lot of players who seem past the "Sell by" date and new blood required.

Just to add to the conundrum, assuming there is not money in the kitty some wheeling and dealing is required and possibly even "Big" sales, SC,RB even JS/JMc.

The problem there is that if a load of money is raised would you or anyone trust RM to spend it well? I would not. So to reiterate, change is needed.

Thanks for reading, Ian

Al Reddish
236 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:12:30
I don’t think pace of the players is that much of the problem. We have Mirallas, Coleman, Baines, Besic, Barkley, Lukaku, Oviedo, Jagielka (the fastest player in the Prem League so far this season) and to a degree Distin. It’s the pace of the build up play that does us. It’s our pathetic high line and the fact all but Barry and Howard/Robles end up on the opposition 18yd line before we inevitably give the ball away We have the best fullbacks in the League. It’s the fact we have bought and play the likes of Barry, McGeady, Alcaraz, Robles when we all know they are useless. Bobby needs to think fast and change...........we all know he won’t.
Sam Hoare
237 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:37:56
Think there may be a few who owe Phil Walling an apology of sorts. The abuse that he took last season for suggesting that Martinez might not be the best manager for us is looking though it could have been a touch misplaced now...
Kieran Riding
238 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:45:08
Jay #238
You deserve a medal, not a scarf !

Brilliant support.

Denver Daniels
239 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:59:44
The only question Bullshit Billy needs to ask Roberto is whether he is willing to jeopardise our club’s future for his own principles.

Depending on the response, he needs to act accordingly. The way we are playing means we will be relying on other teams to be worse than us.

Regardless of how much it costs to pay off Roberto, it must be cheaper than the cost of relegation.

We are in some serious shit looking at our upcoming fixtures.

Besides, surely Bill is smart enough to know that his own future at the club will be on the line if we go down.

Brent Stephens
240 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:41:38
Have a look at the EFC website, re ticket availability for the FA Cup game. So many available it’s going to be like a morgue next week.
Damian Nolan
242 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:36:25
On StubHub you can purchase a ticket for the West Brom game for under £7. What more needs to be said? It is a bigger sale than DFS.
Tony Hill
244 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:57:02
Fair points Al 243 and I agree especially about the pace of our build up, but I think what I’m looking at is the sort of really quick, incisive forward play that someone like Januzaj (I know he was terrible today but I think he’s a special player in the making) and Gerry can supply from wide. Old fashioned wing play, if you like.

Anyway, it’s probably all fantasy I’m afraid.

Anthony Hawkins
245 Posted 01/01/2015 at 18:58:54
It’s not just Martinez that’s the issue here. Yes, he is a big issue and the Everton team are strong enough to have got points out of the last few games. The other issue is the number of players now needed to update the team.

Can anyone tell me why Mirallas was subbed? Was he showing too much creativity as he’s one of only a few who do?

I also noticed that Stones wasn’t even on the bench which is odd as he was for the last game.

These players need a kick up the arse to bring passion and commitment to the game. The BBC article is right: Everton have gone soft!

Tony Rutherford
246 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:55:01
Scary thing is, I was more confident before the game than I should have been and really thought we’d get a result. How wrong could I have been. The problem is we’ve maybe got to get the same number of points again to survive. Teams like Leicester, Burnley, Qpr are battling for results and that battling quality seems to have completely disappeared from our team. The only one who does is often the first one taken off(Besic). Barry needs a good rest as confidence and form have gone and he should never be used as a centre back. Again we made a piss poor team look like world beaters and Martinez doesn’t seem to know what to do! Really really concerned.
Jim Bennings
247 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:59:03

Well one things for sure we are only going to get one more full house and that will be the derby, we won’t even get it for games against City and United because you’d ve amazed at how quickly you can lose the fan’s.

A few season’s ago we beat Man City 1-0 on a Tuesday night, think it was February 2012 , there were only just over 29,000 there.

It’s going to reach a stage where even some of the 31,000 season ticket holders might not turn up every week if they get sick if it, unless all of us mugs come out in force in April when we are three points adrift of 18th place and fighting for survival.

Its 25 pound apparently to get in to the West Ham game on Tuesday night, a cold Tuesday night after Christmas and New Year when a lot of people are a bit more skint?

The way we are playing and it only being the 3rd round why not just 15 pound adults and a fiver for kids?

I’m a mug and got my season ticket seat before we lost these four matches prior to Christmas, mainly due to the season ticket holders slight price reduction, still 20 quid mind you.

Si Mar
248 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:03:01
Im aghast that we have come from the highs of last season to this!

Im not sure what Bill will do but this team and the way it is set out reminds very much of Walker and Smith and when Royle left.

This forum has gone from being a Martinez love in to complete despair about him and Im embarrassed at all the anti-Moyes talk from last season.

Surely we can get out of this? Is relegation a possibility?!! Im devastated!!

Chris Fisher
249 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:53:40
Would give anything to have Moyes back and I think that basically says it all.
Si Mar
250 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:09:12
We haven’t finished in the bottom half since 2006 (I think) and I feel this season Martinez is gonna take us there, I don’t want to get on his back so much but what Im seeing is disturbing!!!!!!!
Peter Bell
251 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:09:02
Chris, the fact you say you would have Moyes back suggests you havent been a Blue for very long
Colin Malone
252 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:00:39
The man is not for turning. You watch Tony Pulis at West Brom, he,ll. go to a 4 5 1 and stop the losing streak. We should go to that formation, but we cannot because i,m sorry to say and the stats prove it, we are the pussycat blues. GET IT FUCKEN SORTED, Bring back the dogs of war. I,m angry but we have got to keep roaring on the blues, COOOOME OOOON.
David Hallwood
253 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:56:01
It’s only a month ago that we played Spurs after beating Wolfsburg on their patch. Prior to any game, I go onto the opposition’s fansite to gauge the mood and Spurs’ was as negative as ours, and there was a general agreement that Pochitino(sic) was an imbecile and the money man Levy (yes the one that out spends us) was held up as all that was rotten at White Hart Lane.

Amazing what a run of victories can do to the confidence of both players and supporters; I haven’t been on to any of the spuds’ sites but I’m sure the manager is now a genius, and Joe? doncha just lurve him.

My point is that our squad is no worse and probably no better than Spurs, because they are the same players that outplayed Arsenal and Chelsea for much of the game although they look a shadow of their collective selves.

I don’t believe in the knee jerk sacking of managers, and history points to the fact that clubs who do sack at the drop of a hat are invariably doomed. BUT this will determine how good Martinez (and don’t forget he was mooted as a future Barca manager less than a year ago) is. He will need to restore shattered confidence and surely realise that oldest of footballing cliches that clean sheets are everything.

So everyone out there, keep the faith and keep your nerve.

Chris Fisher
254 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:13:41
Peter Bell I’m 29 and have supported Everton for all of those years, the point I’m making is what I am seeing from Martinez is so bad that absloutley anything would be better right now and at least with Moyes we wouldn’t be such a soft touch.
Brian Keenan
255 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:12:20
Look at Arsenal today. When reading all these comments today, why do we not protest in a proper way?

I hope the Manchester City match has this feeling at it, rather than annoying each other.

Come on, Lads...

Dave Lynch
256 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:07:11
I ain’t apologising to Phil.

Don’t need to as I have more or less agreed with him all the way, I just didn’t think it would happen so quickly and so devestatingly.

He looked like a man scared shitless in the Sky interview and so he should as stubborn as Moyes was, this fella is as fucking stupid.

Going down may well finish us financially, does anyone know how much we get in parachute payments?

BK can kiss his new build tata...

Keith Meakin
257 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:15:03
The only player I saw today working his bollox off was a left back playing in central midfield, Baines he’s working hard for the team but to many players out of sorts. Barkley was a bloody passenger for most of the game, had a few decisions go against him but the guy needs to try staying on his feet more.
John Audsley
258 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:18:14
That was utterly pathetic and RM has lost the plot

No plan B and teams have totally worked us out

They all know that if they work hard, close us down and counter well we will be knackered by 60 minutes. Jags looked fucked towards the end covering for Barry and Alcaraz

No fitness and No game plan, I have never seen a unhappier set of men in my entire life

Fucking set of Idiots at EFC

John Keating
259 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:23:18
Get rid of this prick Asap
Peter Reid in until the end of the season
Peter Bell
260 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:20:36
Chris @ 261
Please accept my apologies, I did not intend my comment in that way, you are entitled to feel as frustrated as the rest of us.
But having witnessed the days of Bingham, Lee, Walker, Smith, being 13th in the league doesnt set the alarm bells ringing with me
Patrick Murphy
261 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:23:09
Agree with you Keith - Baines was the only player who seemed bothered to try and win the ball back or instigate an attack. Barkley was very disappointing and probably should have been left on the bench. We need to leave the luxury players out at the moment and try and grind out results but I can’t see Roberto doing that.
Al Reddish
262 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:24:20
Baines I thought worked for the shirt today, as did Jags, Besic and to a degree (although he was poor) Naismith. The rest of them couldn’t give a shit, Barry being the biggest culprit. Bobby goes on about keeping the team fresh yet he still keeps picking....and playing for the full 90 minutes...this geriatric Thora Hird wannabe. He’s shit and we have got him at £75k a week for the next 3 years.
Chris Fisher
263 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:25:46
Peter 267, ah I see what you mean now! Im just worried that if we don’t act quickly then by the time the alarm bells do start ringing it might be too late, I have never been as dissapointed in our team as I am now, we just don’t seem like Everton anymore.
Paul Andrews
264 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:34:31
To a man (Besic excepted) they jumped out of 50 - 50s.
Keith Meakin
265 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:34:15
What worries me is that Hull City didn’t have to do much to win the game, we are not playing as a team anymore but as individuals.
Mike Hughes
266 Posted 01/01/2015 at 19:49:32
The results are extremely damaging and the performances don’t provide any signs of hope. I also don’t see anything as simple as FA Cup heroics turning this around. Not that I’m either bothered or hopeful about the FA Cup right now.

I obviously want RM to succeed. Any decision to call a taxi may be slowed by how the club view last season’s record points haul, top of EL table and (still in!!!) the FA Cup and consequently be more forgiving of the current lapse. The situation is, however, entirely different from OFM’s second season in charge when hovering in the lower regions of the league was almost the norm.

How long will they let this slump continue if it does? If we win no more games this month, do people really think the board would tolerate that? Three months of the season left and in the lower twenty points range and likely bottom 4? Every position in that table is significant in terms of ££££££’s. The board won’t ignore that. At most, I think he has two PL games to turn this around. 4 points minimum from those might buy him more time. Anything less and RM might be panicking along with the rest of us.

Given where we are at in the season and the paucity of available quality managers, I would be stunned if the board (regardless of what we may think of it) does not have a Plan B in mind even if RM doesn’t.

That may put someone like McLaren in the frame if it comes to that - all things considered. Right now, I’d prefer him to a former player to be honest, especially on an (unlikely) short term contract. He does appear to be able to motivate and organise even if he does fanny about with his hair too much.

I hope RM gets it right but the signs aren’t good.

Mike Keating
267 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:35:33
Many calls for a Taxi but who’s on the bus?
Thank fuck Pardew and Puliss are no longer in the frame.
John Keating
268 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:38:35
I don’t understand why we talk of individual players and who to drop, bring in etc... The simple fact is the manager and his tactics, methods, principles, ideas, etc is shite!

We have to bin him before it’s too late. This clown is taking us down.

Mark Tanton
269 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:31:51
I was the middle of the West Stand at the KC today watching alongside Tigers. It was interesting. We started with some promise and I thought we were actually more direct and purposeful than usual. We got bullied though and shrank away from the challenge.

My observations were that as usual we were handsomely supported, though it went very in the away stand after the first goal. Martinez prowled around directly below me with a distinct air of dead man walking.

Jagielka got battered all afternoon and never spoke once – it was left to Naismith to distribute the encouragement and bollockings. HMS Barry at left back was a disaster. Kone looked rusty but half decent. Mirallas surely eyes better things elsewhere.

It was sad to see the blues give up so easily – I was reminded of Moyes’s visit to Goodison when all was already lost and beyond him. Everton played like that today.

Sad to see several hundred Evertonians filing through the exits after 75 minutes. They deserve better. Incidentally, our two reserve keepers and Robles warmed up right in front of me with the goalkeeping coach and they were very vigorous comparison to McGregor at the other end who had a Sunday league approach of various players belting the ball past him as and when the mood took.

Al Reddish
270 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:42:31
Lot of mates are mentioning Bill has called a board meeting and told the club secretary to make his way there. Maybe preparing for the dreaded ’vote of confidence’...

I am not a fan of Bill in anyway; however, he is a fan of the team and when his vizog flashed up on the big screen today, he didn’t look best pleased. Let’s hope he is about to remind Bobby we are Everton, not a tinkerman’s project.

Patrick Murphy
272 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:52:33
BK’s had enough and is going to give Roberto his shares?
BK has a new electronic gadget but needs the secretary to show him how to use it?
BK has decided to buy Wigan and take Roberto with him?
Joe Clitherow
273 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:34:14
Peter 267

"being 13th in the league doesnt set the alarm bells ringing with me"

Then with all due respect I think that statement is about as blinkered and complacent as it is when it comes from the fool in charge of team affairs at the moment. To answer your qualifying question to Chris I have watched Everton manager and boy over 40 years and my alarms are hammering at me.

The reason is because position pretty much means jack shit until the mathematical last few weeks of the season, and you can fly up or down the league very quickly. Now fair play to you if you think we will fly up rather than down but my reasons for worry are :

1. We are 4 points off bottom three but 6 points off the 10th team (and 15 off 4th for the eternal)
2. We are in freefall, playing badly and bottom of the form table and losing becomes a habit same as winning
3. We are haemmorhaging goals with only one club conceding more than us (by 2)
4. We play last season’s champions in our next game and have some difficult fixtures coming up having taken 0 pts from 12 against poor out of form sides who we may have easily expected to take 9+ from. We are incidentally gifting these points to sides we may be expecting to be in the dogfight at the end of the season so that erodes the margin
5. We have no heart, no fight, no organisation and a manager who I don’t believe has a clue how to address these problems and seems to have alienated a previously tight knit group of players, and indeed has repeatedly said recently that there are no problems with performances
6. We are now in a transfer window where I don’t believe we have a cat in hill’s chance of fending off bids for our better players as we have done previously given point 5 above

Do you know I could actually go on in this vein for a while but I am depressing myself?

James Marshall
274 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:53:48
I actually feel a bit sorry for Barry. Being played as a centre half in a back 3 with Alcaraz? I’ve seen milk turn quicker than those two.

It’s the managers fault. He’s lost it. WTF is he playing at with his formations? His tactics and the teams shape have gone out the window. An ageing midfielder at centre half, a left back in central midfield, Barkley the luxury not knowing what his role is at all, and where the hell was Naismith playing? Answers on a postcard.

Andy Cobham
275 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:58:50
Unfortunately I think Roberto has to go now. As many people have said whilst during his tenure we’ve had some good results and performances, pretty much the whole of 2014 has been poor. This season in particular not only have the results not gone very well, to be honest I’ve been bored to tears sitting on the Gwladys Street inter dispersed with being hugely frustrated and angry at the poor play on show.

I’d desperately love to believe it’s going to turn around but there are simply no signs whatsoever that it’s going to happen-so for me cut RM loose and let’s go another way. Mebbe we could tempt the Ajax management team over to us, despite the announcement that De Boer isn’t leaving (that was in relation to the Newcastle job though)?

Jay Griffiths
276 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:48:05
On the M62 driving back we had Radio BBC Humberside on. I quote the pundit. "At no point during the game did I feel nervous, we were that comfortable". Don’t know who the pundit is but that is a damning sentence to pronounce.

I’m not so desperate for a win, it means more that we don’t keep losing. Martinez is playing a supposed 4-2-3-1. It doesn’t seem to be playing out that way to the eye. The 3 are usually hanging out up with the 1 so then it’s more of a 4-2-4 system. Sometimes the 2 are entrenched in with the 4 then it looks like a 6-4 set up with no one to pick up the loose ball.

The most galling aspect is the system. When Wilshere or Xavi have the ball in midfield, they have 2, 3 or even 4 players showing and spinning or moving at angles into good space thus making the man in possession with easy choices. We don’t. We have players hiding with the "If I do nothing, then I can’t do something wrong" approach. This is short-changing us. This evident trait is the reason so many walked out at 70 odd minutes. Futile.

Cromwell’s statement. Go! In the name of God, just go!

Richard Farrington
277 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:18:31
Great post Jay Griffiths.
James Marshall
278 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:17:46
He won’t resign, and he won’t be fired. Not yet anyway. We’ve lost what, 4 or 5 on the spin? 4 points off the bottom 3? I’d say he has 2 more games at least.

If we lose heavily to City he might be fired, especially if West Ham beat us in the cup but he won’t get the boot yet.

James Tunstead
279 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:03:10
I honestly do not know where to start. I am a positive person by nature, but I no longer have any faith in my team and was convinced we would lose this game convincingly and once behind, was certain that we would not mount a comeback.

A team devoid of hope and purpose. All this passing it for passing’s sake drives me up the wall, absolutely pointless. "Cross it", "shoot" we kept screaming, but this would be followed be yet another sideways pass and then conceding possession. Our one attempt at goal in the first half was a cross, incredible really against a very poor side.

We don’t have Xavi Hernandez or Iniesta or Xavi Alonso in our team, all experts at ball retention. Why can’t our manager realise this? Every single one of us Blues does; the style of play is not suiting the players we have got. Whilst changes needed to be made at half-time, the decision to sub Besic instead of Barry, who was not in the game at all and who had just caused their calamitous second goal, was astonishing.

We needed 2 goals at least, yet Kone, who has an abysmal scoring record for a forward player, remained on the pitch for the entire game. In any event, we were shattered after 70 minutes and didn’t look like scoring at all. The players wilting game after game is inexcusable. Under Moyes, we mounted so many comebacks and scored so many late goals.

Ron Sear
280 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:17:37
After watching our bunch of headless chickens perform and coming back on yet another deathly quiet coach the time has come for the Everton crowd to get really noisy again. BK needs to hear it loud and clear from the fans what they think of the con artist who is pretending to be a coach. I can’t blame the the players, all of them were working hard but as a famous comedian put it - in the wrong order. The organisation of the team is catastrophic, no leadership, awful passing, an inability to head the ball in any other direction than the feet of an opposing player and as for dead ball situations... Everton lyricists get some words together for a new song please.
James Byrne
281 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:09:38
We are now a club in crisis and anyone who thinks otherwise is as deluded as the manager.

Our concerns have primarily been focused on what we do on the field but now that concern has to move to the business off the pitch. We now need a reaction from BK and he alone must take charge of this appalling situation. We are a massive, massive club and nothing less is totally unacceptable.

My main concern now is that it’s January and we are weak and wounded animal, we are easy pickings for the big boys!

The likes of Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal and ManU are dropping points and all have more than enough financial resources to take who they want from us. The dressing room is shattered, we’ve no leadership or confidence and even a sniff of temptation for the likes of Stones, Coleman, McCarthy, Mirallas or Barkley will see transfer requests all over the place and we will be stripped of our future stars.

We need BK and his cronies to take charge of this situation before it is too late. We can’t surely go into another home game in turmoil without changes being made at the top, not us.............not Everton.

Colin Gee
282 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:21:24
Another shocking ’performance’

Only person that could just about hold their head up was Naismith, he never stopped running all match, the rest looked like they had been on the ale until 4am this morning.

Four defeats in a row, 2 wins in ten, second most amount of goals conceded, only two clean sheets all season. Haven’t won a game after going behind all season. Is that Burnley? Leicester? QPR? Maybe Crystal Palace or West Brom? No, it’s Everton. A fucking disgrace.

How in half a season can a team that almost got into the Champions League turn into a team that’s heading to the Championship?

If we go out of the FA Cup on Tuesday night and Man City beat us, I think there will be a Taxi for Roberto.

At the moment, there’s no call from the stands of Roberto Out, it’s the players that are copping the boos from the fans. But lose the next two game and I think that will change.

Something stinks at the moment and it’s not the bogs at half time...

Damian Nolan
283 Posted 01/01/2015 at 20:49:33
People should read the recent book on Catterick and the section where it speaks of Sir John Moores’ approach to the dismissal of Carey. There is a fantastic quote from him and it is apt now.
Tahir Abdullah
284 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:32:15
This link off an old discussion on a Wigan fan forum looks remarkably similar to what’s doing the rounds on TW:
Brent Stephens
285 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:37:09
Damian, we’re drooling! Give us the quote, please!
Tom Bowers
286 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:30:17
Nothing to worry about? Well, fellow Evertonians, I am absolutely petrified about further games upcoming with this bunch and this manager. Confidence is shot. They couldn’t beat a Sunday league side on this form. All the dregs of the Prem. are outplaying the Blues without working up a sweat and that is no exaggeration.

Now they are 4 points out of the basement three with Man City coming up. Mr Kenwright has to act quickly otherwise RM will take the Blues down to join Wigan. Just trying to get a draw seems to be beyond them so what price a victory then?

Some people may shrug it off as a bad run but this isn’t bad – it’s a disaster – and RM seems very casual about it. It’s time for drastic action now... not after another 5 games.

David Israel
287 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:32:47
Ok, folks, I’ve just been gazing into my crystal ball and here’s what it says: Martinez to repeat his incredible double of 2013 and lead us to FA Cup glory and relegation.

Everybody’s making points down at the bottom, changes are being made at managerial level, sleeves are being rolled-up, the Burnleys of this world are getting points at Manchester City and Sunderland, Crystal Palace will probably do another Houdini, even Leicester have stopped losing (well done today, lads, by the way). This same-self Hull City outfit had, until today, only once won at home. Well, of course they still hadn’t hosted the mighty Toffees...

Sorry for all the cynicism, but I don’t know where all this is going to lead to. The last time we played in the second tier was the year I was born. I’d better not look into that crystal ball anymore.

Happy New Year.

James Marshall
288 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:33:43
"As you can imagine what we want at the football club is to build something special and to make us stronger so the last thing we want to do is lose important players so no there has been no contact."

This is Martinez talking about Utd buying Coleman.

Special indeed Senor Martinez. You have created a special atmosphere among supporters, and a special brand of fucking shit, ineffective football among players. Well done.

Andrew Hawes
289 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:31:19
Lost the dressing room... pure and simple.

We have gone from "amazing", "phenomenal" to "Look at our performances, points tally, style of play last season"??

Roberto — it’s "this" season!! We have been piss poor since 1 July in pre-season!!!

The proper fans saw this... We are a stable club that pride ourselves on proper management and talking sense to the fans. I can’t even listen to Martinez anymore, he talks that much shit.

Colin Glassar
290 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:45:41
Wasn't Carey sacked in a taxi by Moores on the way to a game? And didn't Moores make him pay the fare? I could see BK doing the latter.
Tony Draper
291 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:49:46
This is not my opinion, it is a link to the Official Premier League website..........


It's not nice.

Carl Peters
292 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:50:44
Absolute disgraceful result today and totally unacceptable everyone who represented the club today should be fined a months wages and that includes Martinez.

I was all for giving him time, but after today I am not so sure simply not good enough for this club.

Whether he stays or goes most of these deadbeat player’s should be shown the door totally unacceptable and should be ashamed to be anywhere near the shirt they wore today.

Shaun McCann
293 Posted 01/01/2015 at 22:06:24
Not only is the manager clueless, we are playing the most gutless boring football ever.

Never wanted him, why appoint a manager who had just got a team relegated by playing the same football as we are now? The Rafa shouts are decent.

I have seen Lee, Kendall, Royle, Smith etc and this is by far the worst football I have seen. It is plain he lost the dressing room weeks ago!

Colin Gee
295 Posted 01/01/2015 at 22:20:37
Colin I think it was after a match John Carey was sacked, does Bill have Davy Liver Taxis number?
Mark Wilson
297 Posted 01/01/2015 at 21:38:50
What really worries me about Roberto's situation is that a significant part of any reluctance to sack him is the way the club has embraced his long term vision. Listen to anyone from inside the club and they will tell you that Finch Farm and the Academy have changed a great deal already. The talk of "homes" on the site to house youngsters in training is just the tip of the iceberg. BK believes in this integrated vision thing and it will devastate him to sack Martinez. But somehow there's a feeling that after last seasons over-hyped performances this dramatic fall from grace is so shocking that even Kenwright will act.

I've seen some sensible comments in this thread about the players taking a bigger share of the blame but that's always the shout when things go badly wrong at a PL club. It doesn't make it wrong, but I don't see it as anywhere near the root cause here. Put simply this is a genuinely nice guy with some bold attractive footballing ideas whose been savagely caught out after the initial impetus drained away towards the end of last season. It's realky shocking to see his struggle to get it right. He's hampered by terrible luck with injuries and aweful refereeing decisions, not balanced by getting away with one penalty appeal at Hull.

But.....this manager has led us through an utterley hopeless pre season, watched as his squad clearly seemed to struggle for fitness, refused to strengthen the defence when early and blatently evidence suggested it was badly needed, and worse allowed an ageing squad to essentially go "over" the edge and arrogantly deny that result needs addressing with at least some alteration to our style of play.

There's other stuff of course, the never ending but still quite reasonable assessment that the club is critically under-invested in, that we haven't actually spent a penny of real money, just the tv bonanza and as such that won't give us any decent advantage over the competition. And yes it was a huge gamble on Lukaku when buying three players instead now looks like the obvious route despite the attraction of, for a little time, seeming to be "big spenders".

But for me the sense of fear amongst the supporters right now is palpable and it's based a little on all of the above, but much, much, more it's about the mgrs vision coming apart at the seams. The possession football from the back that's so obviously costing goals, the lack of tempo, of urgency when clearly needed. The terrible ineffective "shape" to the formations....all of them....tried in the last few weeks. The aweful lack of balance. When people say "the guys lost it" that's based on what they have seen and yes it's been quick this collapse but it is a collapse and no mistake.

Football has a real tendency to make you look stupid. Beat West Ham and then, a lot less likely, Man City a few days later and maybe the breathing time will produce a revival. I badly want it but I sense our proud record of giving mgrs time is about to be tested to breaking point. What a shame but we can't go down, it would finish us for a decade.

Bob Parrington
298 Posted 01/01/2015 at 22:51:59
Sell Barkley. Zero commitment from the lad today and very little skill shown, too. Falls over with the slightest puff of wind.Take the money and use it wisely to reinforce a completely under performing squad. Sell a few others who don't seem to want to play for the team as well and replace them with players who have some passion.

The performance against Hull was awful by our team (and the officials, too).

Brian Hennessy
299 Posted 01/01/2015 at 22:53:10
Great post Mark #304

I think part of the reason some people have been slow to call for Roberto's head is that he seems a genuinely nice guy.

I had hoped that he could turn this around but I can't see it happening now

Simon Harris
300 Posted 01/01/2015 at 23:04:37
Tahir - not in the same league (excuse the pun) as ToffeeWeb , but this chap's post struck a chord.

"But surely Garswood if you are a good manager it doesnt matter what league you are in. A good manager makes game changing decisions, substitutions etc and it shows in results and more importantly in players performances. RM is one dimensional and rigid in his gameplans and as its shown so often this season he simply hasnt got the nous to close a game out from a winning position. I don't think he will make it whatever division he manages in until he accepts that his way at the present time simply doesnt work. You can tell a good manager when he is the first to admit his mistakes and does everything he can to alter things."

James Marshall
301 Posted 01/01/2015 at 23:05:29
At last some good news. Stevie G to leave Mordor end of the season!
Dave Abrahams
302 Posted 01/01/2015 at 22:39:16
Just watching Leicester City against THEM, can't believe how fast they are attacking with every player wanting the ball, they are fighting for every ball, and must have had more efforts on goal in this game than we have had in the last four or five matches. Roberto, please take note, the players can attack, they have proved, change, you have no alternative, just your P45 and your comics.
James Marshall
303 Posted 01/01/2015 at 23:17:07
I also agree re selling Barkley. He doesn't offer enough on any level. Lazy fucker too.
Steavey Buckley
304 Posted 01/01/2015 at 23:10:38
I thought Barkley had very good moments especially in the second half, with Mcgregor pulling off a wonder save from Barkley and another attempt from another piece of skill prevented Everton from getting back into the game.

I feel his best position is upfront where he has the skill and strength to open up defences, because he is wasted running around all day, just to keep some Everton fans happy.

James Marshall
305 Posted 01/01/2015 at 23:22:54
Fair point Steavey, he looks so lost in this team so you might be right in that it's the manager and not the player because he's played out of position so much.

Also, watching MOTD have you noticed how literally every other PL team plays so much faster and with so much more intensity than us? We play like a team still playing pre season friendlies.

Kieran Riding
307 Posted 01/01/2015 at 23:29:25
Steve #313


Doing the same thing over and over again.
Until you get better at it.

Clive Lewis
308 Posted 01/01/2015 at 23:29:43
Be carefully blaming the players for the fiasco. Barklay is playing for a manager who's only interest is to count the passes in every game. I think Barklay, Coleman and Baines under different management will probably shine.
Michael Penley
309 Posted 01/01/2015 at 22:53:15
He can't use last season as an excuse. What he has done this year is a much more accurate indication of his managerial ability. When Moyes was at Utd he said about Everton that the way the squad was set up they could play well without a manager at all. Bobby has somehow destroyed that ability. We're in self-destruction mode.
Tony Draper
310 Posted 01/01/2015 at 23:31:08
Kieran #314
"If what you are doing isn't working then try another way"
Dr Marc Gold
Kieran Riding
311 Posted 01/01/2015 at 23:47:57
The comparisons to his Wigan side on MotD just now sent a shiver down my spine...
Clive Lewis
312 Posted 01/01/2015 at 23:47:06
It seems that the poll on the GOT site seems to suggest Martinez should not be sacked.... Well good luck in the championship next season.

Just thought I would congratulate MotD tonight for making a comparison with Martinez at Wigan and at Everton only to see the same goals against at exactly the same games played. By the way, Wigan were relegated that year.

Mike Childs
313 Posted 01/01/2015 at 23:57:08
What's taking BK so long?
Colin Glassar
314 Posted 02/01/2015 at 00:07:10
Did you know that Crystal Palace have only won once away from home this season?
Tony Byrne
315 Posted 01/01/2015 at 23:52:36
Kieran @318 – Ditto!

What has frightened me also is every team underneath us in the Premier League have fight & spirit: Hull, Burnley, Leicester, and Sunderland look far better than us, add WBA & Palace with new managers who are more than capable of grinding out results away from home, as proved today.

I don't think I have felt this sick after yet another defeat; I would take a decent British manager right now to take over this squad. For me, all it needs is a back-to-basics 4-4-2 or a defensive 4-5-1; RM is not capable of doing this as it goes against his "philosophy".

Get out of my club, Roberto, you are more suited working for Sky or BT Sport as a pundit talking utter bollocks, they will hang off your every word... Us Evertonians are not & never will be daft enough to fall for your "phenomenal" bullshit.

Just a final word on the fans who attended the game today, more hard earned coughed up to endure that utter shite performance. Total respect for each & everyone of you; you deserve better.

Paul Hewitt
316 Posted 02/01/2015 at 00:25:32
Who was that against Colin?
Joe Green
317 Posted 02/01/2015 at 00:23:46

Yes, and that game was when it became evident we were going to have a poor season in the PL. I didn't realise how poor though.

Whatever his faults, Bill is a fan, goes to the game and has done for years. I was pleased to see he was at Hull. He knows we are now in deep, deep do-do. I can't see where the next point is coming from never mind a win.

Nick West
318 Posted 02/01/2015 at 00:24:33
Something weird's happened in the dressing room. You can see it. It's not the same team. Some players aren't trying. Last season we ran most of our games with great possession. We dominated other teams and we made tons of chances. Even this season, we thumped Wolfsburg and looked so accomplished in Europe. Now, nothing.

We need some info from inside the camp, and we need a solution. Martinez didn't suddenly become a terrible manager. The players loved him last season. I had Gooners coming up to me saying Martinez was their next manager.

It's very, very odd.

Derek Thomas
319 Posted 02/01/2015 at 00:29:32
I read down to 177 and they were all variations on a theme.

But for me, while the Poll Identifies the perceived weaknesses, the truth is we could bring in the best Keeper and centre-back in the Premier League and it wouldn't, overall do us much good. Yes they might stop 'some' of the goals, but they won't stop ALL of them... we are set up to play that way.

The manager reiterated it only the other day, He doesn't think conceding goals and losing games is all that important in the overall scheme of things.

Therein lies the problem, cause and effect.

He doesn't think it needs sorting, he isn't going to sort it.

His Idea of ' back to basics ' is more of the same.

The only reason we will be in the draw for the 4th round of the cup, presuming it is on next Monday, is because we don't play until the Tuesday.

There are no wheels left to fall off and we're going nowhere.

Sort it Bill, FFS.

Colin Quayle
320 Posted 02/01/2015 at 01:13:35
Here is some info. Believe it or not, as you wish, but it comes from inside the club. Players are training on condensed pitches, so they are getting hamstrung when they have to run on full length pitches.

Distin questioned Martinez's training methods and was sent home for 10 days and then frozen out for a period of time. Fitness staff have resigned as they disagree with his methods.

Martinez put the injuries down to players diet and sent the fitness/dietician from Wigan to some of the players' houses to prepare their food (show them how to prepare). Players were asked to take photos of what they were eating and send them to Martinez. The Players think he is 'eccentric'.

Paul Smith
321 Posted 02/01/2015 at 01:30:40
He's actually doing an "in-house come dine with me" football special for C4 and he's not really gonna get us relegated. Phew, I thought he was our manager for a while there.
Ian Smitham
322 Posted 02/01/2015 at 01:36:35
Colin Quayle, friend, I have no reason to doubt you, but are you rock solid on those comments? They are troubling to say the least along with the player unrest stuff.
Colin Quayle
323 Posted 02/01/2015 at 01:40:11
Yes, I'm sure what I was told is true and have written here exactly what I was told with no exaggerations. Obviously I can't reveal who told me, but this was a person who played for Everton before (not first team) and moved on, but still has contacts in the club.

I just met him tonight at a NY Day dinner and asked him what the hell was going on at the club and posted what I was told. The players who had their meals prepared thought their manager had gone soft.

Patrick Murphy
324 Posted 02/01/2015 at 01:45:54
Food for thought Colin Q. But seriously I know they are professionals but there has to be a level of trust between the manager and his players if I was a player and somebody came round to my house to check what I was eating I would send them a picture and it wouldn’t be at all pleasant I think in the film ’The Help" it was referred to as a Two Slice.

Tony Byrne
325 Posted 02/01/2015 at 01:53:26

100% bang on.

If you treat adults like children........

When your trust & integrity is questioned then the reaction is never positive.

Has it really got to this at our club.

I will wake up and all this shit will be a bad dream!

Tamhas Woods
326 Posted 02/01/2015 at 02:03:10
I was at the game today. Very nice of the Hull stewards to hand out free "School of Science" scarves. Obviously some sort of piss-take.

To those of you who still think Martinez's troop will turn it around, stop kidding yourselves. He needs to go, as does Barry, Alcaraz, Distin and McGeady.

I am looking at our forthcoming fixtures and already planning for life in the Championship because I have seen MUCH better teams than EFC 2014-15 get relegated in the past....

We took a gamble and it backfired. Mark my words, this is the end.

Laurie Hartley
327 Posted 02/01/2015 at 02:09:00
Tamas at 333 - not yet it isn't. If you think you are beaten you are. I don't think we are.

As Phil & James 237 & 241 have suggested, commercial reality is about to set in. No doubt the board of EFC Ltd will meet and decide on a plan to prevent the financial disaster that relegation represents. That is their job and what boards do when danger to the financial stability of their organisation threatens. Sounds bit cold and harsh but that is the reality.

I hope they get it right.

We as a fan base will then have to play our part and get behind the club and whoever is managing the team.

Clive Lewis
328 Posted 02/01/2015 at 02:15:24
Dolmio sauces are very popular at Roberto's house.
Paul Ward
329 Posted 02/01/2015 at 00:40:52
(Patrick Murphy 103) Always good to read your posts. I was compelled to take what may have been sarcasm to bring up a point. You said "thanks for all your hard work Roberto - but you are not the man for the job" part of that I agree with. Not the hard work though. I think Martinez is an idealist with an ego and a plan that scorns at hard work or physical effort.

Forget pre season fitness endeavour, don't worry about set pieces just keep hold of the ball and pass it. Well that philosophy sounds great to these over paid lazy pricks in this team. Andy Gray is right Martinez has made them soft. There is no other way to get that work ethic and pride back to this club unless there is a change of manager.

Derek Thomas
330 Posted 02/01/2015 at 02:49:30
Colin #327...a Fitness/Dietician from Wigan...we've got feckin Pie eaters teaching the players how to eat, you couldn't make this sort of stuff up...I thought Big Dunc had put on a bit of weight.

Is there no end to these Catalan Cunning Plans

Seb Niemand
331 Posted 02/01/2015 at 05:33:53
As a proud from-day-one Martinez sceptic, let me say at this point it is not too early to start loudly speculating as to whom BK should be tapping up to replace him. The louder the better. The louder and more repeatedly, the better.
Peter Barry
332 Posted 02/01/2015 at 05:42:56
If your Manager and his coaching staff and five of your players are all ex-Wigan, then you cannot expect to play like Barcelona... you can expect to play like Wigan. That is exactly what has happened to Everton and the blame for allowing it to happen lies squarely at the feet of Billy Liar and the Everton board.

If they do not take action now and GET RID and we end up in the Championship playing Wigan then that too will be the fault of BK and the board.

John Daley
335 Posted 02/01/2015 at 08:14:58
I can easily believe that the manager and fitness staff have a say in the players diet because that's pretty much par for the course these days.

However, this particular story seems over egged for 'he's lost the plot' eyebrow raising effect.

Firstly, why would Martinez ask a member of the Wigan staff to work on the eating habits of Everton players?

Did this dietary double-agent call around the players houses on the same day or over a period of time?
How did he manage it whilst ensuring they all ate at a reasonable hour? When you factor in the number of players, prep, cooking time and travel, some poor fucker's still going to be sat there with a grumbling gut at midnight, having a right good moan about the snail paced service and swearing to "give it another five minutes and then I'm ordering a fucking kebab".

What if they weren't at home when he called?

If he asked this Wigan wonder chef to pop round the players house's and prepare their meals, why would Martinez then demand photographic evidence of what he'd made? Did he not fully trust the guy he assigned this mealtime mission to or something? Did Martinez think some treacherous soul would attempt to sabotage his finely tuned tasting menu by posting a Frey Bentos pie through the fucking letterbox five minutes after Marco Pierre Wiganite pissed off? Has he just watched too much Masterchef and wanted to make sure the presentation was on point?

Things are bad enough at the moment without unfounded rumours being accepted at face value and passed on as if fact.

A couple of days ago it was stated that some unnamed source 'who used to work at the club' had said Besic had stormed out in a huff and Oviedo would never be seen playing for the first-team again because both had fallen out with the manager. Both were out on the pitch yesterday.

Then it was Garbutt, who had initially been said to have picked up a knock, being banished from the squad for 'slagging off Martinez's training methods'. Even though he didn't. In a post-match interview he just happened to mention that they hadn't worked on that particular formation prior to the game.

Then we had an unnamed players arl fella supposedly telling his mate, who told someone else, that none of the first team were even on talking terms with Martinez anymore. Apparently, whenever he tries to say anything, the players just talk over him like Alan Partidge refusing to listen to Lynn as she attempts to list the merits of a mini-metro: "Go on, try and finish the sentence and see what I do".

That might appear to be the case from the shite they're currently serving up, but all this 'insider info' is little more than finger pointing and speculation posing as secret whispers. If enough players were that pissed off with the man in charge they would surely have gone crying to Kenwright about it before now.

Results and performances are proof enough that things have gone tits up. They're what any manager should be judged on, not mischievous rumour run rampant.

James Joseph
337 Posted 02/01/2015 at 09:38:12
Well said John (342). Won't stop the rumours though!
Roman Sidey
338 Posted 02/01/2015 at 09:35:38
Firstly, a positive from the match was that I thought Baines actually looked capable as a central midfielder, albeit against a very poor team of footballers in Hull City. His long range passing is probably the best in the squad, and he gets more opportunity to deploy those passed from the centre than from the left flank. Add to this I think Oviedo is a better left-back, and Garbutt is looking promising, Baines' could really be a good option in the middle.

That's the positives out of the way. What really surprised me was how poor our passing was. Even the short passes were regularly intercepted or just plain off target. Extremely unacceptable.

Not the first time this has happened, but at 2-0 down for half a match of football, to still have a substitution up your sleeve and Eto'o on the bench defied logic.

Finally, as much as I think Martinez has lost the players and should go, I really think appointing Duncan Ferguson as first team coach was one of his biggest mistakes. There are some very accomplished footballers at Everton both playing and working off the pitch - Ferguson is not one them. I may be risking my virtual neck by saying this, but he was not half as good as how people remember him, and I dare say a lot of our players may not have even heard of him as a player until they came to the club.

If they need a quick, cheap solution, sack RM, name one of the players as player-manager, and let the players sort it out themselves. They are a good enough bunch of players to get out of this, but obviously they have no desire to play for the man in the suit. Any other manager would have had those players taking 10-12 points from the last four matches.

Tony Hill
339 Posted 02/01/2015 at 10:02:00
I agree with the sentiment John 342 but it's obvious that at least a number of players are not, to put it mildly, turning up for the manager.

It's all very depressing and when the players are so lacklustre over such a number of games, it's natural that there will be speculation. I do agree though that we should concentrate on the evidence in front of us, which is indeed quite enough to be going on with.

Andy Crooks
340 Posted 02/01/2015 at 11:59:19
Good and very funny post ,John Daley. To be honest if we were top of the league the coach's alleged dietary eccentricities would attract indulgent respect,"say what you like about Roberto but by fuck he's thorough"

There is quite enough shit that we can see with our own eyes without needing to comment on stuff we just don't know.

Jay Harris
341 Posted 02/01/2015 at 11:22:20
A certain team that got relegated two season ago had conceded 35 goals in their first 20 games.

A current PL team has conceded 33 goals in their first 20 games.

What is the common factor.

NO prizes for guessing its our current manager and hopefully that is the end of any similarity..

IMO it is too late to save RM because the players and most of the supporters have lost faith in him and it is not possible to recover from that.

I said a few weeks ago that big Joe could step in to salvage this season but its a taxi for RM ASAP!!!

Graham Mockford
342 Posted 02/01/2015 at 12:27:40
Quite correct John Daley,

The season has indeed gone tits up, hard to believe Wolfsburg was less than six weeks ago.

The $64k question is will the form carry on or is it just an horrendous run of nine games? Personally I think it would be counter productive to panic at this stage, however if we go another month in a similar vein then drastic action may be required.

Callum McNab
343 Posted 02/01/2015 at 12:32:58
I wouldn’t consider selling anybody while this idiot is in charge. Could you honestly trust him with any funds? The only one who would benefit would be Whelan at Wigan, taking more of his deadwood to us.
Tony Abrahams
344 Posted 02/01/2015 at 12:33:21
Phil, 237. Sorry to be referring to you yet again, but why do you think that Kenwright put up the dreaded "Muriel of Martinez"?

Record season ticket sales? That’s what I think anyway, and if Evertonians vote with there feet on Tuesday, it could be the end for the manager.

Zahir Jaffer
345 Posted 02/01/2015 at 12:06:07
I'm not so sure many of you are going to read this as you may have moved on to other threads or decided to avoid this miserable pessimism all together. I tried to forget about it but I just cant. I've been supporting Everton for 10 years now and I became more of a blue as each year passed. That also means I have been blessed with the displeasure of witnessing Moyes's reign and now Robertos.

Moyes played with 10 men at times, with his usual selection of hibbert and osman, but he had leaders from the back with Phil Neville to the front with Cahil. I thought Phill neville brought nothing to our team as a footballer but man oh man now I do realize the impact he had with his voice. We would be one of the hardest teams to break down and we were impeccable at scoring late goals. We fought to the very end. I just don't see a leader in our team to give the rest of the squad that sense of direction.

My assumption, and this is purely mine, is that something went on towards the end of last season between the manager and his players. We were unstoppable, every1 was saying we could beat any1 in the world on our day. We all witnessed history in the making, we outplayed arsenal at their own game, we won at old trafford after centuries. So my assumption is that towards the end of the season is where the falling out began and it hasnt resolved since.

Moyes said we're taking a knife to a gunfight against city, well that must have demoralised our squad but next week we'll be walking in empty handed to a slaughterhouse if nothing changes. We might as well play our under 21s and give them the pleasure of experiencing the premier league. They've worked their whole life up for that moment and they definitely won't take it for granted like our senior squad is.

Win or lose these next 2 matches, (probably wont win) i'm going to walk the streets with my Everton jersey. I'll take all the mockery every-one throws at me and I'll still be able to say I love my club to the very end and am not ashamed of it. What I can't do is just sit here and watch them slowly get relegated. The Everton I started supporting had the most fight, hunger and desire in the premier league, not the most talent. That's what made us the best of the rest.

Zahir Jaffer
346 Posted 02/01/2015 at 12:06:07
I'm not so sure many of you are going to read this as you may have moved on to other threads or decided to avoid this miserable pessimism all together. I tried to forget about it but I just cant. I've been supporting Everton for 10 years now and I became more of a blue as each year passed. That also means I have been blessed with the displeasure of witnessing Moyes's reign and now Robertos.

Moyes played with 10 men at times, with his usual selection of hibbert and osman, but he had leaders from the back with Phil Neville to the front with Cahil. I thought Phill neville brought nothing to our team as a footballer but man oh man now I do realize the impact he had with his voice. We would be one of the hardest teams to break down and we were impeccable at scoring late goals. We fought to the very end. I just don't see a leader in our team to give the rest of the squad that sense of direction.

My assumption, and this is purely mine, is that something went on towards the end of last season between the manager and his players. We were unstoppable, every1 was saying we could beat any1 in the world on our day. We all witnessed history in the making, we outplayed arsenal at their own game, we won at old trafford after centuries. So my assumption is that towards the end of the season is where the falling out began and it hasnt resolved since.

Moyes said we're taking a knife to a gunfight against city, well that must have demoralised our squad but next week we'll be walking in empty handed to a slaughterhouse if nothing changes. We might as well play our under 21s and give them the pleasure of experiencing the premier league. They've worked their whole life up for that moment and they definitely won't take it for granted like our senior squad is.

Win or lose these next 2 matches, (probably wont win) i'm going to walk the streets with my Everton jersey. I'll take all the mockery every-one throws at me and I'll still be able to say I love my club to the very end and am not ashamed of it. What I can't do is just sit here and watch them slowly get relegated. The Everton I started supporting had the most fight, hunger and desire in the premier league, not the most talent. That's what made us the best of the rest.

Andy Walker
348 Posted 02/01/2015 at 15:22:51
Si 255 I completely agree. It was quite strange and unexplained the amount of abuse Moyes was subjected to by the many posters on this site during his last season with us. Often following wins, but the complaints were mainly ridiculous;

We should gave won by more goals
He's got ginger hair
He's dour
He dithers
We only finish 4,5,6th
We will never win the EPL

Then we had this BU appear on the scene (where are you when we now need you?) and join in with all their anti stuff. Anyone like myself who tried to support Moyes was accused of being a 'Moyes apologist'. Heaven forbid making the suggestion 'we should be careful what we wish for' as this would also be met with a tide of derision from the anti Moyes clan.

The appointment of Relegation Roberto was met with almost universal joy, but why? Well he'd won a cup so we were told unlike Moyes he was a 'winner', any view that this was a one off fluke and actually the biggest indicator of his ability was the fact that he'd just relegated his last team was ignored, no doubt influenced by a gushing Martinez supporting media.

So what does this matter, it's all history? We are where we are. Well this is the point, it's history and we should learn from history. It's now time that we, that is, BK, the club, the fans, recognise and acknowledge the mistake of his appointment and start to make some smart, objective decisions based on facts and reality rather than prejudice, or dreamer ideologies. As fans we can start the ball rolling now by showing our feelings against RM, not the players though as they will really need our support. It is only when this manager leaves our club and we bring in a manager with a record, style and ethos that are aligned to our club that we will start the recovery. Come on BK time to lead.

Paul Bristow
349 Posted 02/01/2015 at 17:13:04
Every single stat, every single piece of hard evidence says Martinez is out of his depth at Everton and crucially so does my gut feel. He has to go and whilst I have no "magic wand" ideas on who are long term manager should be I think anyone one or a combo of Reid, Gray, Besic, Klinsmann, Stubbs, Irvine could stop the rot and help us avoid the relegation that Martinez will deliver.

Make no mistake the stats don't lie, we are in full on tail spin, one entirely of Martinez's making and we need someone fresh to get us out of it PDQ.

James Marshall
350 Posted 02/01/2015 at 17:25:17
"The appointment of Relegation Roberto was met with almost universal joy, but why?"

I think if you were minded to look back through the TW archives, you'd find that an awful lot of us were very unhappy with the appointment at the time.

I don't want to be a 'told you so' pain in the arse about it, but I told you so. Plenty of people on here were furious when BK rolled the smiling clown out at that painful press conference, but being proved right doesn't make me feel good, especially since last season I was happy to be proved wrong.

Martinez is a one-trick-pony, just as was already proven at Wigan. He got lucky last year, riding the crest of the wave with a team that knew how to 'not lose' games better than anyone, after the Moyes years.

If by some miracle Martinez turns the boat round, and turns this team into winners again, I'll happily be proved wrong again but can anyone really see anything different happening now?

Andy Crooks
351 Posted 02/01/2015 at 17:33:22
James, I think you have said exactly what many think. There's is not an anti Marinez poster on this site who not swallow huge helpings of humble pie if he turns it round. He won't , he oozes relegation. He is a master of it.
Brian Wilkinson
353 Posted 02/01/2015 at 17:48:31
I agree with a poster on here quoting Bk at the Hull game, he picked the manager, he paid out and signed Lukaku, like most of us we were delirious the way we played last season.

We kept our players, sent out a message we were not a selling club anymore, everything was rosy last season.

In no way can Bill be blamed for any of this, hes had his knockers but last season he did all he could for the club he loves.

What Bill needs to do is get Martinez in his office, read him the riot act and if results do not improve,he will be joining his former chairman away from football or at least at Goodison.

By all means rant and rave about the managers one trick pony but to have a sly dig at Bill is a bit below the belt.

James McPherson
354 Posted 02/01/2015 at 17:49:57
Like many I have major concerns with the inexorable slide in our fortunes. Think that people are filling the void of silence with their own respective interpretations of where we are and what the trajectory will lead us towards. Think this is the easy bit. Things are so poor on the pitch an 8 year old could spot it. The hard part is the solution. I have often registered my dissatisfaction with the useless board of executives we have - worth remembering a group of individuals who have persistently failed over a far greater period than Martinez. The dilemma that faces BK and his merry band is quite simply, they need to write three cheques. One to pay up Martinez. Two , to get someone half decent, to pay compensation for the new incumbent. Three, funds for the new man to invest in players that can keep us in the premier league. All three to be written in January. Who of us can see them capable of doing that? Doing it to a level that will reverse the slump and get us back on the road for the long-term? We need to think on as fans as to the end game of them jettisoning Martinez with what funds they can cobble together and then us being left with a caretaker and no new recruits. Joe Royle hits 66 in April...would he be up for a relegation scrap - would he want it? Would he want the unwarranted tag of the man who took us down? There have been a lot of assumptions on here around binning Martinez leading to a solid reliable caretaker. I am not so sure that will follow. We need three cheques and three things to happen. That's what really scares me. Can't see that happening.
Peter Ashley
355 Posted 02/01/2015 at 18:26:09
Sadly I can no longer see anyway forward with Martinez as manager; it's as plain as it gets that he's out of his depth. It's obvious that he's lost the players they don't want to play for him anymore, but they need to play for the club that pays there wages.

As much as it's easy to slate RM, when are the fans gonna start kicking these overpaid Prima Donnas' arses? The lazy bastards are letting our great club become a fucking laughing stock.

I have supported My club for 50 years,and always will, I have a season ticket but I will never set foot inside Goodison Park again until Martinez and his bunch of fuckin clowns have pissed off for good

Andy Walker
356 Posted 02/01/2015 at 19:25:37
Fair does, James, I know there were people who were not in favour of Martinez's appointment, my feeling is though it was a minority.

We are now in a really difficult situation; I suspect without fan and media pressure Martinez will stay... in which case, I am left to simply hope my personal judgement about him is bollocks and he'll by some miracle get us into the top 6. It wouldn't be the first time I've spouted a load of bollocks, though, so I live in hope rather than expectation.

Paul Bristow
357 Posted 02/01/2015 at 21:28:07
Here's the headline I want to read:


Enough is enough, there is a huge amount of evidence that – as nice as he is (and he is nice) – he is out of his depth and he will get us relegated. BK is going to have to say goodbye so he might as well do it now rather than wait until it's all too late.

Thanks for a brief sense of hope and excitement, Roberto, but the players and the fans have sussed you out, your not good enough, so save Bill the job and please resign.

Andy McLawrence
359 Posted 02/01/2015 at 22:52:12
Only just recovering from seeing that second goal on MOTD last night. Had that have happened in the school playground some demented teacher would have kicked collective arses.

In any case it's pretty obvious something has to give. One option is that the board are brave, get rid of RM and get a new manager with some dosh to freshen up things. However I feel that this is probably not going to happen and we will be left muddling on for another 8 or 9 matches to see how it goes. If it hasn't improved by then then any change will likely be too late. Think Fulham last season.

Least they are bouncing back from the Championship this season..... Aren't they?

Matthew Williams
360 Posted 04/01/2015 at 15:32:38
Our season was over after the League Cup defeat, but no Blue could see it! It was way too predictable. I still remember Wigan getting tonked 9-1 by Spurs a few years back and WE went and got the same bloke that was clueless on that day as our new Gaffer! We have only the Cup tie with the Hammers and the derby left to save some pride, cos we won’t go far in Europe, folks... sadly!

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