Dismal Blues show zero desire and lose at home again

How long must we suffer this man and his inept management? We're toothless and clueless.

Harsh to single anyone out but, Besic - my God what a mare he is having.

I said a few days ago there was no way Arsenal would lose this game.

Terrible first half display from Funes Mori.

I keep think how much better our left side would look if we had the equivalent of a fit Pienaar. Mind you, Martinez would probably play him in goal.

His body language says it all.

EIGHT home defeats... the most home goals conceded. Not much we can say to defend the manager with a record like that. 2-0 down at half-time. Bilic made changes last week to recover when WHU where 2-0 down. This is the test of how good a manager Martinez is. Can he change it around?

Will the real Everton please turn up?

No effort, no idea, no plan, no different tactics, utter clueless how to change a game to get something out of it.

I sense disappointment come end of April somehow.

McCarthy and Cleverley have been shocking.

He should never have been given the job in the first place! How on earth my beloved Everton (biggest club in the world to me) hired a manager who had just got a team relegated is beyond me!

Forget the FA Cup, the Premier League is the most important and we have a clown managing us, can't you all see it????

Please do the honourable thing and go

2-0 down on 85 mins...barely a whisper of a threat.

We are meek, weak, a team of individuals devoid of any desire or industry.

I'd love the FA Cup...but this manager HAS TO GO.

Pathetic performance. Get him OUT

Act now or pay later EFC board.

That was a disgracefully gutless effort.

We'll never win anything with him in charge... utterly woeful.

I feel sorry for the supporters, are these players not putting the effort in so as to get Martinez out?

Totally different to last week when we played a more pressing game. I think most of the players look disinterested with the tactics.

Mr Moshiri will be wondering how much of his money he will need to spend.

Fuck this idiot off today, now, get rid, call a taxi, show him the door. Eight home defeats... three home wins all season is Wigan relegation form. Poor defending for both goals. I'm sorry but I have no more patience with this manager.

Martinez has got to go, we could be 14th this weekend and only two points above Palace and Swansea, not good enough.

We've allowed the opposite to take hold at this club now and when that happens, it doesn't just refresh itself for the start of the new season. Just look at United, it's been a slow creep but now winning is not the norm and not expected. The opposition no longer fears them, and they themselves do not have a winning mentality.

And if you want to see where that can lead you, look no further than Aston Villa. They've gone from consistent top 6 finishes with a quality team, but then had a series of managers, and one in particular, who wanted to persist with growing a new generation of players that would play his way and come through the ranks. Winning wasn't expected, instead it was always talk about the future, and looking at performances instead of results. Well he got sacked eventually and now they are the worst side in the league and who knows how far they'll drop over the next few seasons.

Martinez goes on and on about performances being more important than results. He tries to speak positively about every loss, no matter how bad it was. Imagine for one fucking second Alex Ferguson talking about the positives in a match after losing time and time again.

This is a dangerous thing we've allowed to infest our club. The man should have been gone last season after it was patently obvious he was a clueless ideologue. But we've allowed him to continue and now we're even worse, continuing to get worse and drop lower down the league. An FA Cup run means absolutely nothing, nothing at all. In the league, he has proven to be a joke. But of course we should have known that when he relegated Wigan.

No point in continuing to rehash everything that has been rehashed too many times already. It's just boring now.

We are desperate for a new manager and come the summer I've no doubt Mr Moshiri will give us one. He didn't become a billionaire by accepting the third rate and he certainly isn't going to throw his money away on the worthless assurances of our resident nitwit that it will be ok next season.

For a top 6 team, we have Coleman, Stones, Jagielka, Barkley, Barry, Lukaku – we need a wholesale clearout... and include in that the manager.

Best squad in a generation is an urban myth. A passing team who can't pass and the most open defence in the division. If they can't kick on after the game last week, then something's rotten in the dressing room.

Perhaps Martinez is right about one thing and that's Barry is one of the greatest English players because without him we are farcical.

Typical Everton, eh!!

No belief no fight just tip tapping it around at two-nil down. That was Bad!

I've heard Moshiri has a manager lined up.

EIGHT home defeats! Unheard of in my lifetime.

This clueless fraud of a man is ruining our club. Even an FA Cup win won't change that. Not once when we've tried 3 at the back has it looked anything but dodgy. Yet today at two-nil down, he decides that's our best way back into the game.

Martinez Out!!!!!!!!

At this rate even, that is in doubt.

And the most humiliating thing was Wenger didn't feel the need to replace the keeper when he got injured as he knew Everton wouldn't score.

Oh well, the semi-final will save you, Roberto!! Please let the season be over!

In the context of top 4/6, you have to ask is it good enough to have Howard, Osman and Kone on the bench?

In this context, are Robles, Funes Mori, McCarthy, Besic, Cleverley or Barkley a first choice in The Champions League?

I think we're all guilty of media/RM brainwashing or self-delusion. This is not a good squad underachieving. Good squads do not lose 8 games at home and concede the number of goals we do.

RM is not a top 4 or 6 manager either. Before the extra TV cash hits and Moshiri puts in cash to invest in players, I sincerely hope he takes a cold hard look at this manager and this squad and is not swayed by all the bullshit. I think he just might.

As for the manager, well... two-down at half time and he brings a defender on just about sums him up.

And please if anyone comes on here and says this is the best squad for years, I'll scream. Because it's not. We are a poor side. And I think 8 home defeats tells you everything about this so-called best squad. Disgraceful.

Really Jack?

You are aware that statements like that have to be backed up? Otherwise you look like just another twat on the Internet.

Once we went a goal down and our support turned the players looked devoid of confidence and couldn't do the simplest of things. I know we are going through a difficult home period at the moment but the booing and groaning isn't helping either.

We need to get behind the players for the remaining three home games of the season irrespective of the manager to get confidence back in time for next season. There is no coincidence that our away form is much better than our home form.

Can I say that it was refreshing to hear Roberto tell it like it was for once today that we were poor in his post match interview.

Is Niasse shite? If not, then why not bring on a striker, alongside Lukaku?

It looked odd pushing Lennon down the middle. Shit, I forgot about Barkley, enough said. Now for shit train home full of gooners

A telling moment is when their goalie is injured and what do we do with two consecutive corners? No pressure on Ospina and then we decide to knock it around at the back giving Ospina sufficient time to recover.

Another botched sub by putting Gerri wide and Lennon down the middle when it should've been the other way round. Added to that his refusal to give Baines no cover/assistance down the left side is criminal.

To finish I'd just like to say Funes Mori is a disaster waiting to happen. I hope he's dropped so Stonesy can rejoin Jags in defence. Not though it matters as this season is over and was over weeks ago.

Just wonder how the few clowns, who last week suggested that because of ONE good result, that the "Martinez Out" supporters should eat some humble pie. No.....I'm not going down that path....no tit-for-tat nonsense... that's it, from me.....knowledgeable supporters know that this Martinez team has a long way to go. And even an FA Cup this year, would be only papering over the cracks. Give Martinez time... yeah, yeah, give him time to lose more home games, next season. Drag Everton even lower.

I hope that we can win this season's FA Cup. FFS even Wigan managed that. But I still want Martinez out. Give this bunch of players (before they split up) a proper chance to fulfil their potential. Ah well... there is always next week. We should by then be pushing hard to get into 14th place.

Up the Toffees.... those soft wee Toffees.

At Wembley.

It certainly wasn't out on the pitch. That was the most collectively and badly organised set up of an Everton football team that I think I've ever seen.

Until the next time.

Martinez out now.

Trouble is, mate, every time Stones has come on, he's looked even worse.

Robles, Baines, Funes Mori, McCarthy, Becic, Cleverley, Barkley.............

I've seen a lot of blame passed around today. May I remind everyone it's been TWO YEARS of this crap. There is a very obvious solution.

Please, please, Mr Moshiri, just sack this clueless man at the end of the season.

Always jam tomorrow. Please, Mr Moshiri, get rid of this second-rate charlatan.

By tomorrow afternoon, we could be 14th with just 9 games left, below the likes of Watford, Bournemouth and West Brom. That's 41 league goals conceded now in 29 games – still on course to beat the 50 conceded last season.

For all our attacking form, if Lukaku was not in our side, we'd be in the relegation zone. Credit to Martinez for bringing in some decent players but, as a manager, the guy is simply out of his depth.

Another home game, another loss, another step to the day when Martinez is sacked. Surely it can't be long now.

Stones can defend, of that there is no doubt, and his passing is superior. I'd have him back in an instant.

"I am not the right manager to lead Everton back into the Premier League."

Worst Everton manager I have seen in over 40 years in my opinion. Worse than Bingham, worse than Lee, worse than Smith, worse than Walker, and on the basis that Smith was completely potless and Walker was swiftly dealt with when it was apparent he was all suntan and wind.

Shameful that we were given a football lesson by a team of Arsenal reserves who played midweek, and shameful that he is apparently not held to account by our Chairman.

If Lukaku leaves and Martinez is given another season, we will be guaranteed to be in a relegation battle next season.

Everton have had all week to prepare for this game. Arsenal have played two demanding games since Everton last played.

And yet we looked the leggy, lethargic side, second best all over the park.

The Arse, not reknowned for being a physical side, easily blasted through or simply turned away from every man-on-man challenge.

Time and time again our full backs were caught far up the pitch, well out of their defensive position, as Arsenal turned over the ball and advanced with menance, drawing in particular Funes Mori also out of position and we were hammered for it. This is a Martinez tactic.

Thankfully, Jags had an outstanding game, but he can't do it all himself.

Elevating Besic to legendary status as some have been inclined to do on TW was exposed as way too premature today. That was as poor an individual performance I have seen from an Everton player all season. Missed passes, missed tackles, out of position and no game awareness.

So bad even RM recognised it and hooked him at half time. For those calling to experiment with Stones in a defensive midfield role, it was telling that is not how RM set up the team with his introduction, preferring to go with the risky back 3.

Initially, there was even more confusion and space for the Arse to expose with Everton still being gung ho; 3 up front with Lukaku, Barkley and Lennon, Baines and Coleman still way advanced, Funes Mori still playing too high up the pitch on occasion and we were lucky the Gooners didn't add a 3rd in that time, so outnumbered and meek we were in midfield.

Yes, we eventually got some kind of foothold in the game, but at no time did we build up a head of steam or carry a real threat.

Compare our shape to the Arse. We were wide open through midfield and defence all game. When we had the ball, they were compact and had solid defensive lines across the park that offered us no way through. Anything into the danger area was competently dealt with in a no-nonsense fashion. Pragmatism at its best.

Eight home defeats this season in the league. E-I-G-H-T!!! And we ain't done yet!

Since 21 November when we beat Villa 4-0 - FOUR months!!! - our home PL record reads:

P9 W 1 D2 L6 F13 A 17 Pts5 (out of a possible 27).

The solitary win in that time was the 3-0 victory against the Barcodes.

There is a systemic problem with Everton that is being exposed time and time again.

And the man responsible for implementing that system is Roberto Martinez.

Regardless of whether we lift the FA Cup or not this season, his performance is the one that should be under most scrutinity when it comes to evaluating the season in the summer.

Spot on. There is a degree of Emperor's Clothes about this squad. I think we all finally saw this today. We just aren't very good. Sure we have improved in some departments but we will not challenge for the big prizes with this bunch.

Martinez must go and, irrespective of any new money, we need to get top dollar for Lukaku, Stones and probably Barkley (in his case, asap – before people wake up to the fact that he is an average talent). These three should raise maybe as much as £100 mill.

We start again. A decent manager could be entrusted to create the basis of a new squad with this. Let's hope Moshiri was watching today

Stones looked terrible but might be better from the start. I wondered if Besic was fit as he never gift up to speed at all.

We missed Barry.

But for me I have lost confidence. I do not think Martinez knows what good is, so when it goes well, he doesn't understand why, so there is no chance of consistency.....

I said last week, get rid off this buffoon even if we win the cup. And as for the derby, the people on here who say play a weakened team are you for real? They only thing us scousers have got left this season is to beat the Red Shite.

Win the FA Cup Roberto then fall on your sword... you're not good enough.

Use the remainder of the season to conduct an intense search for a high quality manager with a clear strategy. Appoint that manager as early as possible when the season ends, so that there's no uncertainty for half the close season, and we can move quickly and effectively to put together the squad we'll start next season with.

And at the risk of being hammered, one very good pass aside a moment before he was taken off, Barkley was powder-puff personified. If I was in the same team as him (as if!) it would do my crust in to see so little effort from him when the chips are down. He wasn't the only one, granted, but for reasons of scouse-ness he seems to escape fans' flack as effortlessly as he fails in winning the ball from just about any and every opponent.

I really believe a hard-nut boss would bring steel to his skills, albeit they're getting rarer and rarer.

The fans aren't to blame to for the home performances, that's down to the players. Martinez sets the team up to play in a predictable way at home, so he has to shoulder some of the blame but ultimately we have enough talent out there to damage teams, the players seem deflated and nervous in front of the Goodison faithful.

What I will say though is that while the players are the only ones who can turn the fans back onside, through strong, defiant and classy performances, the fans have also got to remember that we don't have 11 Barry's and Jagielka's out there. We're looking at a core of young men in Barkley, Deulofeu, Besic, Robles, Stones, Lukaku and McCarthy. While Barry and experienced players may get fired up to play better from the fans groaning or shouting at him, this season has proven that it has not been an effective way to get the young lads going. They all look far more confident away from home and just like our manager the fans have stubbornly refused to change tact despite the gulf the quality of away performances versus home.

All the players needed to do was win a few home games convincingly on the trot earlier in the season and the fans would have got back on side, but with the young nerves in the team (these are young lads who want the fans to love them, not seasoned pros who know that fans change their minds 5 or 6 times about a player over the course of a season) and the rising opinion among supporters that the best way to get Martinez out is to put down his tactics and boo losses, we've been unable to do that.

Ultimately the manager has messed up at home by pushing forward with a young team trying to play open football and we've been caught out time and time again. While we all shot down Moyes for repeatedly going with boring experienced players over young exciting talent, we were tough to beat. Ultimately the responsibility lands on Martinez's shoulders even though it is the players who haven't performed properly at home. The fans can also take their share of responsibility for uniting at crucial moments but with performances like today it's hard to know how to get behind the team. I don't like hearing London clubs chant "Shall we sing a song for you", we're Everton FC! We've got the best home support in the country. Everyone should fear coming to Goodison.

Martinez has to go at the end of the season and we have to get Goodison park back to the fortress of excitement and enthusiasm that it was during Martinez's first season in charge.

Contrast that with Ranieri who has Vardy and Mahrez 100% aware of what he and the team expects of them in terms of the defensive side of the game.

Then to take off Barkley while McCarthy is having his usual rubbish game is beyond belief! How does this man get a game and would all those who say he covers every blade of grass mind telling me which games these were as I haven't seen them! Never mind if he actually does anything with the ball or to create scoring chances or support the attack. We might as well play with ten men.

I could go into the lack of organization which sees the man with the ball isolated. Watch Arsenal, if they haven't set up at least a triangle, if not a diamond, then the player in possession holds the ball until others arrive, and they do arrive. Do we pressure them in this position? Well, you watched it. Do we mark players, at times 2 of theirs outplayed 4 of ours. We play a dustbin defence, this is my spot if the ball or player doesn't come near me then I do nothing.

To say that to a large extent it is down to the players on the park is to pose whether we actually need a manager at all.

This man has to go! Who would you replace him with? Does it bloody matter!!!

What on earth are these people who so avidly support this third-rate manager watching?

Martinez has had too many chances now to end our 18-month long shocking home form but has failed. It wouldn't be tolerated at real big clubs.

Some of us feared that from his appointment.

Lukaku's goals taken away next season and the timescales for the Martinez "project" are bang on target with his four years at Wigan. His stats and behaviours are all eerily consistent and still some come on to defend his "jam tomorrow" deluded garbage.

I expected more from Besic, I admit, but you can't single him out – they were all shocking today. Did McCarthy do any better?

It's only fair that the new manager gets a good look so he can decide who he wants to keep and who he will off load.

Let him have the summer to try to turn us into a proper team.

It's a lot less negative, and better for my ailing health.

Maybe we are all wrong and BK is right....

THAT performance was shameful.

You know when we win 1 match, the next 2 are unlikely to be victories. The recent spurt of 4 wins in 5 came on the back of 1 win in 10, giving us a... 33% ratio.

People have derided the statistics citing that his career for a large part was spent with Wigan, and the last 60-odd games at Everton can be mitigated by the fact that he is "building" the club.

What exactly is he building, because we ain't seeing it. Putting fancy facilities at Finch Farm is not building if this does not translate to results on the pitch.

Robert Martinez, please go.

Did you actually go the match, James? I doubt you did, especially coming out with smug comments like that.

Winning the FA Cup, whilst it being a good day out, will mean nothing if he is still here next season. Yet again, boos at half-time; yet again, boos at full-time; yet again, streams of fans leaving the ground in disgust before the final whistle. What more evidence does the board/club need to get rid of this man?

We are a shambles. Whilst we can, rightly so, blame the players for a shambolic performance, it's the manager who sends the players out in that frame of mind. We were lacklustre and lazy. Everything good we did last week against Chelsea was absent this week. We just cannot do it on a regular basis with this man in charge. He doesn't have the nous or know how to prepare players properly for top-level football. He is a lower league manager who can occasionally get players up for cup games but that's it.

As others have said, our home form is the worst I can ever remember. I'm sure someone may tell me different but in 40 years of going to the game I can't remember such consistently bad, lazy and downright sloppy play from players wearing the blue shirt, especially given, as we are often told, there is so much talent in the squad.

Oh how I dream of getting a manager who actually knows what he is doing to get hold of these players and make them reach their potential. Watching players like Barkley wasting his obvious talent strolling around the field, wasting passes, killing moves on the break by coming back on himself. He is not on his own. Stones has/is going backwards. The whole defence has gone backwards.

Deulofeu has completely gone off the grid. Mirallas has been turned into a shadow of the player he once was. The once marauding full backs have all but disappeared. The middle of the field is none existent. Only Lukaku has shown anything like the quality we know is there and he will be on his way come the summer.

This man is destroying our club. Given any more time he will complete the job. Moshiri needs to show he can make big decisions and the first one is to pay Martinez off as soon as to save the club and our sanity!!

And IF... IF we win it I just pray it doesn't provide a lifeline for the man. I am in dread that he just might still be here next year.

I truly hope Jack Cross is right and not just bullshitting or winding us up (not funny if he is), and I hope he's been chatting up Mourinho, Mancini or Simeone.

I have said it so many times before but will say it again, given time he will get us relegated. In the words of BK....What a manager!!

The worst games I have seen McCarthy, Besic and Funes Mori have. Besic looks half-a-stone overweight.

The fabled 4-2-3-1 formation appears to be a distant memory, replaced by something resembling 4-3-1-1-1, which in recent matches has switched to 3-something-something.

Today we saw Baines playing as an inside forward, then in defensive midfield. What exactly was Cleverly's position?

What was the tactic to Lukaku? When Deulofeu came on, it was blindingly obvious – get wide and hit a cross early. Over and over again. With 2 players in the box versus 6-7 from Arsenal.

No, I will not slate the players. The pile of steaming turd that was today's match must squarely be laid at the feet of the manager.

Would a policeman say who his informer was?

When you see players like Barkley being given licence to do whatever he wants, which is sometimes just nothing, you realise there is a lack of professionalism running through the team from top to bottom.

I'd offer Mourinho the job first thing tomorrow morning; if he declined, I'd seriously consider Moyes.

I know many on here dislike Moyes, but for me he is head and shoulders above Martinez, and he's available now.

Barry was a big miss. Yes, he needs game time. Today was not the game to start him. Managerial error again.

I want us to win the cup, but not at the expense of keeping Martinez next season. I want him gone, silverware or not.

For heaven's sake, Mr Moshiri, do yourself a favour and distance yourself from this charlatan while you are busy sacking Martinez and his entire backroom staff. Don't give Martinez the opportunity to waste yet another season, dragging the club even further down the league in the process.

I have seen defenders sell themselves before, but not 15 yards into the opposition half, he had already sold himself for the first goal, charging out and leaving his post like a schoolboy.

Was it £10 million Martinez paid for him?

"What a manager" ... FFS

God help us as he ain't going anywhere just yet.

We must hope Moshiri can act decisively, even with the Kenwright millstone.

A real feelgood factor was about after last week's game for sure but the result did gloss over the pretty average performance. Let's not forget that.

"What a manager"... my arse.

Everyone, in every job has to be judged on consistency, not one game. Yes RM has to go, but look at BK's comments last week about "what a great manager RM is". Does he really believe that crap or is he trying to justify his selection to the new owner? Either way, it is troublesome.

All of you who think that Robles is the GK answer also need to think again. I hope that you all noticed the perfectly good Arsenal "goal" by Giroud that was disallowed. Robles resembled "flapper" at his worst. Both of our keepers are spineless and need replacing, but RM recently said that we are well covered in this position. What a joke. I think we could get a collective off TW to do a better job than RM. At least the after game spiel would be more palatable.

I also think that he has lost the dressing room. His bizarre team selections and substitutions have sucked the confidence and trust out of many of our players, although RM believes that to be the fault of the Goodison crowd. His man management stinks, his tactics and selection stink and his excuses and statements stink to high heaven.

I ask everyone to watch the video of him being interviewed with his arm draped all over Farhad Moshiri. It was embarrassing and cringe-worthy and totally unprofessional. Moshiri looked uncomfortable to say the least.

Then came the soundbite "What a manager". A Lukaku solo goal undoing nearly two seasons of turgid unprofessional naïve football because of a champagne day-trip to Wembley for him and his Mrs.

Kenwright's behaviour highlights what a shambolic amateur act we really are as a football club. It also indicates that Martinez is in reality going nowhere, he's Kenwright's man and he will stick by him.... it's the Everton Way apparently.

Let's hope Moshiri will usher in a new era of the club being run professionally and with purpose and the circus clown Kenwright will be marginalised. Let's also hope Moshiri will also realise that, in the new competitive era of the modern Premier League, a manager with genuine talent and experience who can get the best out of his players on a week-by-week basis will make the difference.

Shocking tactics from Martinez, he's got to go. The only chance of us keeping Lukaku is if another manager is brought in straight away.

If Everton played with two wide players alongside Lukaku and moved the ball early to them, today's match could have been so different – that's if Everton could pass the ball the straight, which was beyond them today.

Thank you for your comments. I've had time to digest them and have decided to respond by killing you with kindness. I hope you manage to calm down in time to enjoy a lovely weekend.

Is it because, as rumour has it, he's absolute shite and Martinez doesn't want us to see how bad he actually is?

In those days, you had a job for life and only had to turn up in some places to get paid. No success criteria, no targets so long as you don't perform too badly (relegation in this case) you can stay as long as you like. He just wants to be mates with everyone which is impossible if you want to be successful in this game.

Somebody quoted John Moores on another thread and Martinez would have been gone last year if he'd still been in charge. Hopefully Moshiri is cut from the same cloth and gets shut of Martinez sooner rather than later.

No excuse can be accepted for a display of cowardice like this; the only answer is for Martinez to accept his inabilities, show some respect, and resign... NOW!!!

He is a weak, pathetic Manager. He is a loser.

If Moshiri truly does know anything about football, which we are led to believe, he MUST be already working on his replacement.

Seriously got to question my own sanity to renew my season ticket while this joker is at the helm.

Please please sack him.

However, the biggest problem is our midfield:- Besic was poor today, but no worse than McCarthy, Ross & Cleverley – the latter put in effort, but tended to run round in frustration like a headless chicken, McCarthy is at the very best an average championship player and the talented Ross is bone idle and his movement off the ball, both defensively and offensively is pathetic (he should be the first of our stars to be sold). He and McCarthy are the core of our problem – slow, too keen to go backwards, get caught in possession and put team-mates under pressure.

I have come to believe that we need a change of manager at the end of this season whether or not we win the cup.

This so-called leader of men, who after this "performance", classifies totally his incompetence, & dressing room nounce, is actually supported by our own blue fan Kenwright – what chance him being removed, futuristically? How low do we have to actually drop, this top 4 so-called side, after a performance like today, witnessed by our own, true blue supporters, & television? Some form of obvious action, regardless of any cup success – is just required. This team & play, under him, could not win an argument??

Pathetically, but unfortunately honestly – if it had been a boxing match, it would have been stopped, to avoid any other punishment to one & all – punishment to our home team.

PLEASE, enough is really enough, 30,000 supporter's are not WRONG – he is charlatan, a so-called manager in disguise.

COYB – Wembley just a sad distant, hope regardless, totally irrelevant overall in the long history of our Club. The thought of it saving this no-mark is just horrendous & would have zero detrimental effect on next season's ticket sales!!!

Moshiri hasn't bought into Everton so that he can play second fiddle to a theatre luvvie. He couldn't get his own way at Arsenal but he fully intends to get it here.

Forget Kenwright... his time is coming to a close. He did his best for Everton and I can't criticise him for that. Come the final whistle on this season, a new era will begin. Kenwright will hand over the reins to the new man. We can wave goodbye to Mr Brown Shoes and look to the future.

Funes can't pass the ball to save his life, is caught in possession far too often, and has poor positional sense. Baines isn't the Bainsey of old. His crosses and dead balls are dire and now he can't track back like he used to so he's always getting caught upfield.

Saying all this, at the end of the day, it's the manager who picks the team and tactics and if, game after game, we are getting done by the opposition with no reaction, then it's his fault and it's obvious the players have given up.

I despair that some people are still defending Martinez, I find it very confusing. I go home and away and my view is very clear on him – the guy is a 100% loser and I confidently predict that he will go on and achieve nothing in top-level management.

The sooner he's gone, the better... and as for Kenwright's, "What a manager" comment during that grotesque and cringeable interview with Moshiri, he's just proved that he really is deluded and has his head firmly in the clouds.

Sleeves need to be rolled up and people need to be removed pronto. Over to you, Mr Moshiri.

The problem with Kenwright is that he does retain power and influence, as a deliberate part of the transaction bringing in Moshiri. He disgracefully asserted that power and influence last week to shore up his man.

Do not underrate the selfish cunning of Teary Bill nor his capacity to mire us in the mediocrity which has been the hallmark of his time in charge.

Mourinho, for example, knew months before he was announced as Chelsea manager which players he wanted onboard, the same goes for Guardiola. If a new manager is announced in May then a lot of the groundwork will already have been done.

Remember him popping the bubbly when we finished 4th, embarrassing. What we do not expect is to be in the bottom half of the league and sinking fast with such a shocking home record. What a manager indeed.

If I owned any, I would flog them to him in a heartbeat, with the guarantee that he told BK to keep his sycophantic fucking gob shut and sacked Martinez immediately.

I was not expecting much from this game since I fully expect Martinez to sacrifice the Premier League for the FA Cup now that we have nothing to play for.

Once that's over, I fully expect Moshiri to fire Martinez, hopefully the board must go also.

Anyway, talking of stats and noting Kim's comment (#149), I wonder if Moyes's comment about getting to 40 points is seen as so negative as the way it has often been depicted??

Bearing in mind the way Wenger seems to get a bad press off the Arsenal fans, and bearing in mind the connection with the new owner, and having watched the Arsenal game from the stands today, I just wonder if we could dream that we saw the next Everton manager today?

For over a year now I have supported change. Today proved nothing, reinforced nothing, I learned nothing. Nothing to change my view. Though I thought they were the best team I have seen at Goodison this season, not sure we really tested them.

Every attempt at a long ball to Lukaku was stifled by a couple of defenders. And, if and when Lukaku did recieve the ball, there was no support. Everything was mopped up by Arsenal, including stray passes, bounces, etc. This was the trend throughout!

How many times does a horse have to piss on yer boots, before you realise it's a horse! Fucking outrageous carry on and even worse tactical changes. Correction: zero tactical changes.

James Haskell described how much more he enjoyed playing under Jones; players were described as exuding self-confidence and 'walking tall' with a real sense of belief in themselves. Jones himself, although no diplomat, was described as having a 'clarity of thought'.

Contrast that with comments throughout the first half from Pat Nevin saying the Everton players looked as if they'd all just been introduced to each other in the dressing room before the game and the total lack of confidence they displayed. I was expecting them to come out in the 2nd half and tear into Arsenal after an almighty bollocking from Martinez, but it was just more of the same. Too much 'arm round the shoulder' instead of 'hand round the throat'.

But then that's probably the problem – Martinez either doesn't have or has lost the ability to motivate and inspire his players, as well as having no real clear idea about what he's trying to achieve.

I think he'll survive to the end of the season irrespective of results. Perhaps he'll become the first manager to complete a unique double: win the FA Cup and get relegated; win the FA Cup and get the sack.

Here's hoping!

Bewildered, arrogant, clueless, inept, insipid, uninspiring.... this fool relegated Wigan and he will do it to us. Who could replace him? Anyone with a coaching badge. He is that utterly shit. Our new owner could do himself a lot of good by sacking Martinez before the semi-final. This fraud does not deserve to lead our club out at Wembley.

How anyone can keep defending RM is beyond me. We have had two full seasons of this and it gets harder to take. As someone else has said, if he stays in charge we will keep dropping down the table.

I think BK has got more faces than Big Ben. If I was Martinez, tonight I would be thinking about job seekers allowance.

"What a manager" indeed!

No!

I don't know if to laugh or cry when the season ticket announcement comes on. In one way, it's good they are holding and reducing prices but another part is saying, "I've had enough of watching this rubbish every home game."

Today, I was tempted to leave at half-time as I could not see us scoring if we played all night, and before the crowd gets stick again – just remember, many of us turned up... pity the team did not, AGAIN!!!

16 months of underachievement, and I just can't get angry any more. I'm hoping the shrewd new owner realises what is required this summer. We haven't even reached the 40-point 'safety net' yet!

An interesting point this thread has raised is one that I have to admit I've gone with the flow with too – this myth that we have our best squad for decades. The last few weeks, it is clear we have half a team of great quality, but the rest are inconsistent and frankly ordinary at times. A look at some of Moyes's teams suggests that, while we didn't always have the mega-stars, we had real grafters who put in a shift and could work together – especially in defence.

I do hope Moshiri is getting his team to look at sites like TW to gauge what many of us have been saying for quite a while – that Martinez must go. TW tends to be ahead of much of the Goodison faithful – but surely the boos at the end of the game, only a week after the Chelsea success, must make him realise the BK spin and Roberto's increasingly shambolic interviews are not to be given any currency after this summer???

Tony, Dennis, if this guy wants to protect his investment, he'll get the people in he thinks will achieve that. Wouldn't you?

I suspect that if Moshiri was on his own and in full control then he would be getting rid straight away. It will be difficult for him to just dismiss Martinez after the nonsense spouted last week by Kenwright.

I agree with those who say that the fans have to tip the balance. In any event, I can't wait for Kenwright finally to fuck off out of this club, a club which he apparently considers to be his personal realm.

And, yes, I know he is ill but that doesn't make him any less of a gobshite.

The club surely have to act now, especially when they are putting messages out at half time about renewals of season tickets, literally minutes after the team were boo'd off the pitch.

He was first to pipe up last week, up out of his sick-bed telling Moshiri that he promised him Wembley. What a small-minded man.

He is beaming with joy over a trip to Wembley for a semi-final. He should have kept his trap shut and just spoke about the investment, instead he spoke, glowing with a smile from cheek to cheek about how great Martinez was.

He has to move over and realise that the value has moved on, the players are all internationals now, they are mostly young lads with ambition, they want to win things and perform at the highest level. They are looking for medals and Champions league football. Kenwright is like Martinez, head in the clouds, bullshitter who is okay with being Joe average.

Our players will walk away, and rightly so. I half-wonder what Baines was thinking to turn clubs down, Coleman too, Jags was linked with Arsenal a few years back as well. Rom, Ross, Stones, Funes Mori, Deulofeu, Besic and so on should all jump ship, given the opportunity, if we persist with Martinez as manager, and this small-minded approach to football as a whole.

We need new blood at the helm, Moshiri needs to speak about us in a new light. He needs to remind the footballing world that Everton are a founder member, and that we have won many league titles and cups, he then needs a manager who can put us back on the map.

Moshiri himself is known as a major business man, he's an associate of billionaire Russians who deal in steal and oil. He is around the mega rich and the mega ambitious on a daily basis. He should bring a manager to Everton who is respected.

Ronald Keoman, Frank De Boer, Michael Laudrup, Jose Mourinho, Manuel Pelligrini, they have the type of profile that can make players join Everton, they have the name in football that can attract players to the Prem and put us above the London clubs when we need that extra pull.

We have missed a big one in Bilic in my opinion, but there are lots more out there. Look at the job Ranieri is doing, most blues would have laughed from June last year until Xmas if we had offered the job to him, yet he looks like a top manager to me. He has come into Leicester and stuck to his principles, he has kept players out of the lime light of the press and he has managed his club accordingly. His players respect him, they work for him, and they are going to achieve something incredible, all because of his management.

So when wondering who we might get in as a manager if we took the plunge to sack Martinez, lets all realise that whoever it may be, he can't really do much worse.

Let's trust Moshiri to find his guy, hopefully soon, before the end of the season, giving the manager a chance to assess what he needs to buy, but also what he actually has already at the club.

We have a good squad, it's just a little unbalanced in my opinion. We need to shake off a lot of dead wood, look to strengthen the goalkeeper position along with the left of midfield. We may also need back up at right back, depending on what we have in the youth squad. We also need someone to play up top with Rom, or be an adequate replacement if Rom is injured or out of form.

But firstly we need a new manager, and we need our owner to show the footballing world that Everton are looking to become the real deal, because in my opinion we simply don't have the right mentality at the club.

I have posted so many times that Everton only ever sack a manager when the club is on its knees, in the relegation zone and losing every week. It normally gets to a point when things are so bad the manager is ready to walk anyway and the decision is an easy one.

Martinez will start next season as manager, guaranteed!!

Paul (#178), I think we're going to lose every week till the end of the season. We aren't threatened by relegation and don't have enough fortitude to fight for pride unless a prize (FA Cup) is to be had. If Moshiri falls for the "nothing to play for anyway" excuse, sure. Is Everton worth the £175 mill valuation by Moshiri if are not in at least #10? I googled on the prize money for each position. 4 places is worth £5 mill in prize money along, unadjusted for other dependencies. Surely that means Moshiri will need to fork out more money to pay for Martinez's incompetence.

While Everton have no previous for sacking a manager while mid table, we are currently transitioning to a new regime. What makes you think Moshiri will be as lenient as the last?

He will expect results and what better way to stamp his authority on the club than sack the first team manager?

I don't think we will sack Martinez mid season or without having his replacement already lined up. So if someone suitable becomes available in the summer, I expect the deal to be done then. If no-one suitable is available, Martinez will live to fight another day.

On the other hand, I suspect that Moshiri and his banker on the Board may look more at the huge drop in Premier League place money that a 12th place finish would result in. Indeed, if the newcomer is not to be more businesslike in his Club involvement than the men he bought the shares from, what the hell is he doing here?

It is however a bit rich for you to judge other match going supporters who do so from your seat in front of the TV. You urge supporters to get behind the team and I agree the sentiment – perhaps if you swapped your armchair for the seat of one of the critics you decry, it might help you achieve your wish.

To you and other like-minded people – match-going fans are NOT responsible for the mess our Club is in.

You're totally right about getting shut of Martinez, but I'm afraid while the spectre of Kenwright is still looming, spouting his shite about how great a manager we've got, it's not going to happen.

Let's hope Moshiri has got balls of steel and sacks the clown asap and gives the club a manager us long suffering fans deserve. And any of the names you mentioned would do for me. In fact, I reckon they'd jump at it. Like you said, Who could do worse?

There's a tipping point when supporters get so brassed off they can't raise the enthusiasm to raise the roof when they're watching rubbish. We reached that tipping point last season and its spilled over into this one.

We're not sheep and we're not stupid. Give us effort, a team that understands what it has to do, play on the offensive instead of ponderously and the crowd will be loud. It's what you'd expect from any professional sportsmen.

It's not asking a lot.

Everton have been guilty of letting good opportunities to win silverware slip through their fingers for years.

Having Bobby as manager just makes it inevitable.

Fucking Touche.

All this dross about the Goodison crowd not supporting their team is total bollocks. I've just sat through two seasons of Martinez serving up crap after crap, he has been totally out thought and out gunned by almost every manager in the Premier League. You cannot just sit there and watch every fucking team take the piss; I mean, it's getting so bad now that fellow blues are coming to blows and this is not because of support to Martinez, fuck no, every-one and I mean every blue wants that fucker gone.

No, certain blues have an affinity to certain players and this is kicking off all sorts of shit in the stands. Yeah, bravo Mr Martinez you really have no idea what you have done to this great club, the division and loyalty in the stands is not for you, you fucking prick. The loyalty is for the players that you are destroying. Mr Martinez you have, all on your fucking lonesome, turned Barkley into a nervous fucking wreck. The boy no longer has any idea and continually looks lost and totally pissed off. I say it again Mr Martinez, fucking bravo.

But rest assured, the support Barkley has in the stands will not be divided, he is one of us and you will not be allowed to destroy him with your obsession for crab passing, your obsession with keeping the ball and worst of all, your total obsession with tippy-tappy fucking shite football with absolutely no end product. Fuck off.

Barkley is a footballer, so it's really fucking simple. Let the boy play football.

There is a little clique of pundits who talk about supporters in a smug patronizing way. Evertonians are loyal and expect nothing more than endeavour every game; now that is not too much to ask.

Spot on. Nothing winds me up more than armchair fans criticising the match going crowd when they could do something different if they could be bothered dragging their carcasses to the ground, rain hail or shine as thousands of others do. I don't boo during the match but it is absolutely the job of the crowd to pass judgement at the end of each half and we are no mugs. Yesterday I was disgusted by the attitude of the management and players. Thirty odd thousand plus if us paid hard earned cash to watch a bunch of arrogant millionaires take the piss with training-ground effort! Enough!!!

It is very difficult to sit through utter crap and be told we play exciting attacking football when we do not. I have seen genuinely good attacking football at Goodison and I know what it looks like. It isn't what this fraud thinks it is. Two shots on target yesterday and I think I missed the first one because I clocked the match time for Lukaku's tame header and it said 87:39.

It is almost impossible to generate enthusiasm for the backward-playing shite served up by the third-rate chancer we have in charge. The crowd tried for a few minutes after half-time to raise some effort but it soon waned when the team could not be bothered.

The players are so programmed to turn back to face our goal as soon as they get the ball that the opposition know exactly what to do and McCarthy was caught twice like that yesterday. Barkley is a natural attacking talent being so thoroughly destroyed by the crap third-raters coaching him that he turns back almost every time now instead of attacking the man in front of him which I am sure used to be his instinct. It is soul-destroying to sit through that rubbish for years. Now though I think it is apathy in the crowd that keeps us quiet.

I think it is the lull before the storm.

My last game was the Hull 1-1 debacle last season. Great evening, couple of nostalgic pints in the Spellow and Winslow, seat in the Top Balcony where my Dad took me in the 70s and I had a good view of where we laid his ashes behind the Park End byeline.

Then the match started; the most mind-numbing, insipid rubbish I had seen since the early seventies. The only difference was the lack of cushions raining down.

I love the idea of a passing game. It has to be mixed with some drive and purpose. Until we see some of that consistently, the crowd are entitled to be as quiet/abusive as they like!

And it is a myth we have been scoring goals for fun this season at Goodison Park: we have scored 19 goals in five matches versus Sunderland, Aston Villa, Newcastle, Stoke and Chelsea, which means we have scored ten in the other eleven games.

I don't like booing Everton but have resorted to it on many occasions, none more so than under this manager.

It just wasn't Saturday's result but we need a new Goalkeeper, possibly 2, a right-back, cover for Seamus, a centre-half or 2 (proper centre-halves) at least 2 creative midfielders, if Lukaku stays or not, 2 strikers, and let's not forget the deadwood in the squad.

That's at least 10 new players.

If I had a pound for everytime I've heard 'this is the best squad for decades' or bring 'Moysie back' I would have had enough money myself to buy some shares in the club!

I've been supporting Everton for over 30 years and apart from the obvious, the title winning seasons, give me Joe Royle's 'Dogs of War' any day of the week over this. When he got his message across you had 11 men who knew what it was like to play for Everton.

Two-nil up against West Ham, down to 10 men and a midfielder short, he takes another midfielder off and sticks a striker on.

Two-nil down against Arsenal, he only uses two subs and leaves both strikers on the bench.

I need to lay down in a dark room and try and make sense what planet Bobby is on.

Without doubt, this is the best squad we have had for years and Martinez can't get a tune out of them. His tactics make the players look like a gutless, heartless bunch of shitbags. If we brought in a new manager who cared about organisation off the ball, we would be right up there.

Lukaku will leave in the summer and if we get another injury to Jagielka, we will be relegated under this idiot next season.

SACK HIM NOW.