The manager oversaw a first win in seven Premier League games at Goodison Park today as his charges edged Bournemouth 2-1 in what was a largely uninspiring game but the victory will have done little to lessen criticism of him from fans who see no way forward for the club under his stewardship.
Supporters commissioned another plan to fly over the ground in the first half with a banner reading "Time to go Roberto NSNO" while a clutch of Evertonians remained behind after for the game to protest the fact that he remains in his post despite the Blues' dreadful form.
"I can understand [the protests]," Martinez said after the game. "We've been through a very painful time. I cannot hide that it's a disappointment for all of us. Not just the fans but the players and myself.
"We want to correct that, learn from those mistakes and clearly the concentration, from my point of view is to prepare the games we have in front of us and to get every point possible.
"I'm the manager and I am the one who takes responsibility. That's how it works. We're in a results business and all I need to do is make sure we carry on showing that character and togetherness as a team and to make sure we get that winning feeling back. When you get the winning feeling back you see things in a different manner.
"My intention is to win football games and to be successful. That doesn't change. It's a privilege and an honour to be manager of Everton.
"Three seasons here gives me a really good understanding of what is needed.
"We need to learn from the mistakes but the focus goes on to beating Leicester now and it's as narrow minded as it has to be."
Martinez's future is believed to have been discussed by the club's hierarchy but despite reports of a board meeting this past week, there have been no firm indications thus far which way Chairman Bill Kenwright and new major shareholder Farhad Moshiri are leaning.
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1 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:13:09
2 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:17:27
Please, please, please let today be his last game in charge.
3 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:22:47
4 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:25:23
He also said to Carragher that it's unfair to judge a young player until he'd had 200 games or so. 200 games? That five seasons as an ever-present!
He is the football equivalent of Lord Haw-Haw, a traitor to his profession and us fans.
5 Posted 30/04/2016 at 20:48:58
6 Posted 30/04/2016 at 21:01:23
7 Posted 30/04/2016 at 21:02:19
It's just pure contradiction, well if he was finally understanding how to win , he's given himself the answer in that Carragher interview but he's too stubborn to try it..
8 Posted 30/04/2016 at 21:10:44
Who can possibly find any justifiable and convincing reasons why he should stay?
Utterly deluded. Hopelessly lost. Sadly incompetent.
9 Posted 30/04/2016 at 21:12:58
He's not good enough.
His record on results, tactics, subs, fitness etc...... speaks for itself.
The protests were a bit muted. The apathy of watching the dross served up has effected the fan bases ability to even muster up a decent protest.
No criticism intended to any supporters in that comment but there's a feeling of a slow death hanging around.
Get rid before we are fighting relegation next season.
12 Posted 30/04/2016 at 21:36:30
13 Posted 30/04/2016 at 22:16:50
For the fans to feel they have to protest to get the manager out. The board should hold their heads in shame. If the board are divided on sacking Martinez, then this doesn't sound good for the future.
Martinez should see out the season and leave the club.
14 Posted 30/04/2016 at 22:23:22
If he was a top class gaffer, 3 years would be more than enough.
Funding shouldn't have been the problem, Leicester City being an example, plus in recent years TV money has increased. Wise spending?, £13.5M for a young man who is out of shape with an injured wrist? I was excited when he was hired but results are results, unfortunately it's time to move on.
15 Posted 30/04/2016 at 22:41:04
16 Posted 30/04/2016 at 22:46:08
17 Posted 01/05/2016 at 00:24:43
If the core of your case for dismissal is that he is a lunatic or an idiot then you're wrong. He's an intelligent man who will be able to make a good case to the board.
If you focus on twisting or misrepresenting his words then that is also easy for him to rebuff.
He has his principals and they're pretty sound. Manage for long term improvement, not quick fixes to save your job. Have a vision of what you want to be and align everything behind it - recruitment, training, matches, all levels of the club. Be excellent at something. That vision should aim high, so not a Moyesesque style of playing to just overachieve without hope of ever winning anything.
I love those principles. I'm certain they're pretty sound.
The issue I have is that Martinez just isn't a very good manager. He doesn't inspire, he can't improve players, and he can't get results. There are simpler things to measure than Daily Mail interviews which should see him relieved of his job.
Our vision needs to be long term, which means it continues beyond a manager's reign. Martinez has done some good things which it would be a shame to waste. It's up to Moshiri now to ensure we don't do a 180-degree turn with the next hire... but there does need to be another hire.
18 Posted 01/05/2016 at 00:41:20
19 Posted 01/05/2016 at 00:48:50
A great post. I still buy into Martinez's long term vision hence my support for him until fairly recently. I also agree with the 2nd part of your post. I thought it would come good this season, but I'm no longer hoodwinked into believing he has the ability to put it into practice I have major doubts over player fitness, Roberto's man management and any hope that we will ever have a cohesive defence under his management.
He's here until the summer and his ability to sell his long term vision to Moshiri worries me. I really do think he might buy into it, just like, Dave 'I broke me leg' Whelan and Bill Kenwright. So yes, it's very alluring in theory and Roberto believes what he says. Unfortunately for him and for us, he just isn't as good as he thinks he is.
20 Posted 01/05/2016 at 01:12:35
Yes, well, who wouldn't? A team playing attractive football, Champions League, lifting silverware.
The only problem being that he clearly cannot deliver it.
Reminds me of an episode of South Park. A bunch of gnomes are going around the town stealing everybody's underpants. When confronted their plan is revealed:
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit
Makes about as much sense.
21 Posted 01/05/2016 at 01:14:13
Nothing, nothing Martinez has done over 3 years has indicated that he can take this club forward. Anyone with a vision, will see all the angles, options and possibilities and act accordingly.
There is no demonstration yet that Martinez is prepared to do this.
24 Posted 01/05/2016 at 01:33:20
A vision is a total waste of time if you cannot execute, and Martinez absolutely cannot execute. He complains about the way other teams who defeat his philosophy rather than combating them, which is a further indication of how he is a dreamer.
Unfortunately, in contrast to Jack Walker, our chairman is a total dreamer too.
25 Posted 01/05/2016 at 01:57:45
However..His strengths also happen to be his weakness's. He's too single minded. It's black and white thinking all the time. As a manager he wants to imitate Cruyff and Pep Guardiola which is commendable, but he just hasn't got the ability to emulate their success's as visionary managers.
It will be interesting to see if the penny drops when Martinez see's how his hero Guardiola sets up his City side next season. It won't be the piss poor 2nd rate tika taka imitation we've become accustomed to. When Pep adapts tactics, being a Guardiola disciple, Martinez might actually have the epiphany that we've been hoping for, for the last 18 months and change. I really hope so, but hopefully he's long gone from Everton when it happens.
26 Posted 01/05/2016 at 02:44:14
The mistakes will never be corrected because Roberto doesn't see the mistakes we see, as mistakes. He's had three years to sort it out, but he's no closer now than when he was at Wigan.
Defensive naivety; slow tippy-tappy buildup from the back, without exception; no clear plan of attack.
I'm not sure the manager sees these things as mistakes, so I'm not sure what "mistakes" he's referring to.
27 Posted 01/05/2016 at 03:44:32
Well, there you have it folks: straight from the horse's mouth, proof that his first season was a fluke. If he needs to learn from mistakes and concentrate on preparation, how long will it take, even to just get back to where we were 3 years ago?
If 2013-14 was HIS way, HIS plan, why have we fallen so dramatically? He's a chancer, who got lucky, but now he's been found out, and if he doesn't go soon, then with a 㾹.5M no mark leading the line, and a 36-year-old garden gnome at right back. We may not survive his clinging to luck next season, and our derby match could be against the other club he relegated.
28 Posted 01/05/2016 at 04:47:26
Simple we have a actor as chairman.
So I have a choice, I can either spend the next week reading the same posts that I have been reading for the last month, or I can do the gardening, painting, or even go on Facebook. There all things I hate to do but I will do 2 of them because Facebook is as depressing as being a Everton fan.
29 Posted 01/05/2016 at 06:34:40
For a man who says he wants to 'win silverware' this self-defeating claptrap sums him up perfectly. All he cares about is the attacking side of the game and doesn't understand or realise that all good winning teams are built on a sound defence first, with a solid midfield and effective strikers playing ahead of that defence.
Oh great deluded one, we stupid irrelevant morons salute you and your great knowledge, all contained in your magical brown shoes!
30 Posted 01/05/2016 at 06:53:43
It's ok, Leighton, no apologies needed. We still support you.
31 Posted 01/05/2016 at 07:16:11
32 Posted 01/05/2016 at 07:24:28
33 Posted 01/05/2016 at 07:29:37
And once again, our manager claims 'understanding' of fans clear feelings only by virtue of the fact that he plays typically obtuse lip-service to it, but again, also puts a 'We're ALL disappointed, not just me(?).. results business... I'm the (proud) manager... responsibilities (etcetera etcetera ad nauseum ad infinitum et nil satis!!!)'.
Manager-speak spin on everything, rather than directly addressing the issues (FANS issues with HIM!).. he might gain a little more respect if he just said:
"Yes, I do still believe I can turn this team around, although of course I know EXACTLY why the fans want me out, because I've failed pretty dismally so far except for my first 'honeymoon' season"!!!
Mmm... not going to happen, methinks.
34 Posted 01/05/2016 at 07:46:46
35 Posted 01/05/2016 at 08:40:08
36 Posted 01/05/2016 at 08:58:49
And he's right isn't he? Speaking as supporters of a team that was structured and organised in defence for years without winning a thing.
Which brings me back to my earlier point. We need to stop trying to play this guy for a fool. He's absolutely not. I'll bet he'd run rings around the vast majority of us if we talked football with him. He'll certainly do it to Kenwright and Moshiri. He's not deluded... he's a very smart guy who had studied at length and understands the game.
Play the ball not the man. The results are not good enough.
37 Posted 01/05/2016 at 09:15:32
We only survived this year because of villa being one of the worst teams in the league, ever and Newcastle and Sunderland being rudderless when they played us.
Football is a simple game at the end of the day and out manager's 'vision' involves unnecessarily over complicating the game which in turn inhibits our players' natural talents. In his interview he stated he was proud that he got the average passes per game up from 150 to 650 in his first season at Swansea that was more important to him than winning the League 1 title!
You could give Martinez £500m to spend, we would still never compete in the league as his 'system' is simply flawed. It's too easy to play against and all those other 'short term' managers take advantage. Nevermind an obvious issue with fitness and defending.
The guy thinks he's found some revolutionary way of playing and is deluded in thinking he can emulate Cruyff. Fact is he simply is not a very good football manager but has the gift of being able to talk bollocks which at first sounds plausible... until you look a little deeper. Kenwright and Whelan before him have been taken in by his nonsense.
As stated above, having a goal and a vision is useless if you don't know how to put it into practice. In this case I think he does know how, only problem is that his vision and 'style' of play is flawed to begin with.
38 Posted 01/05/2016 at 09:15:48
Just not a good time to be an Evertonian.
39 Posted 01/05/2016 at 10:19:08
Dennis, football is a simple game on a week to week basis and I think most recognised that by wanting a new man in for the Cup semi. They're were thousands who could have done a better job. Of course he's proud of winning League One, but he's saying that they won it because they got very good at playing the style he wanted, and that style gave them a chance at sustaining their improvement. The style was something they could control, the title wasn't within their control. I'm sure I heard Novak Djokovic say something very similar to that.
Longer term I don't think it is a simple game. How do you decide which players to invest a small fortune in, how do you train them, what facilities do you need, what manager should you hire, what other staff do you need? That all has to align behind some kind of plan and the plan can't be to just be the best. What's the vehicle that is going to get you there? If you planned to be the quickest you wouldn't hire the best marathon trainer.
Gavin Johnson mentioned earlier that Roberto might make a decent Director of Football. I think he might be right, though I share the same concerns with the DoF role as Gavin. I can definitely see why clubs have considered it, as well as why it keeps on failing.
I still feel like Roberto is closer to what we need than we would like to admit.
41 Posted 01/05/2016 at 10:37:10
Now then what I think some fans have got wrong is the personal insults towards our manager and the way some have gone about making their feelings known; no matter how strongly we feel we should not be stooping to that level.
I also believe he is a nice fella with strong principles which he sticks to. I can't fault him for that, ask yourselves would you want a manager who just threw his principles out of the window just to appease the fans or keep his job? I wouldn't.
Sadly his principles and ideas on how to play the game just don't suit Everton at the moment, part of that could be he doesn't have the players to implement his footballing principles. Whatever the reasons, are he should resign but without all the personal bile aimed at him.
43 Posted 01/05/2016 at 11:02:22
How long does he have to fuck up for before the few remaining idiots cotton on? Five years? Seven? Maybe 10? Please enlighten me Martinez apostles, how long 'till his vision kicks in? Fans like this that are part of the problem.
44 Posted 01/05/2016 at 11:03:01
My lad said to me on the way back to our car, "It's going to be a long season". "The man is a complete fuckwit," I replied.
Talk is cheap, Roberto, fucking sort it out and show us in these last 3 games with your invisible magic. Then fuck off because I'm fed up to the back teeth of your perpetual repetitive rhetoric.
The apathy within Goodison yesterday was palpable. I didn't even get out of my seat for the winning goal!
45 Posted 01/05/2016 at 11:07:01
When I joined the RAF my training consisted of two main sections,apart from all the usual general service training. Those sections were theory and practical. In order to graduate from our course we had to achieve pass grades in both sections of the course in order to go on to our careers in the Air Force. There were quite a few who were great on the theoretical side of the course, but were unable to pass the practical application side (and vice versa of course). That is where I believe Roberto Martinez's failure lies. Despite his probable encyclopedic knowledge of the game he is unable to put that knowledge to practical use. Alternatively he is either incapable or unwilling to alter his perceptions of how his application of the theory should be applied.
Going back to the military again, a failure on say, a basic flying course, if he had high marks in his theory exam, might be offered 'recoursing' which meant taking step back and going through the course a second time. The only way they would qualify for their pilot's wings would be to listen and take note of where their previous errors had occurred and then take steps to correct them. This again, is where Martinez lets himself and the club, the players,and the fans down in that he won't even admit he's made any mistakes, an attitude that smacks of our arrogance and 'I know it all.'
Put in simple terms, would you trust a man like that with a multi-million pound fighter aircraft? I sure as hell wouldn't. So, why should we allow a man so intransigent, intractable with the inability to accept he just MIGHT have made some mistakes to run what is in effect a multi- pound business on a day to day basis?
Oh, at the end of my training, I achieved 'distinguished passes' in both theory and practical exams, but was still able to admit to making the occasional mistake during my career. We're all human after all.
46 Posted 01/05/2016 at 11:15:46
47 Posted 01/05/2016 at 11:17:44
It doesn't help when Kenwright applauds the first-half rubbish and thinks losing semifinals and losing to the shite acceptable. Gobshite time for him to go too.
48 Posted 01/05/2016 at 11:17:45
49 Posted 01/05/2016 at 12:03:04
50 Posted 01/05/2016 at 12:17:10
Damian #43 clearly we're in complete disagreement, but that's alright with me. I'm thinking about what he's saying and want him gone, while considering what we need moving forward. Apparently the behaviour of someone who is part of the problem.
Whereas slating supporters on the basis of a comment you read about half of...
52 Posted 01/05/2016 at 13:16:21
As far as the infrastructure and set up is concerned, Martinez may have helped improve somethings off the field (although fitness and injuries are two things that seem to have gone backwards - Coleman and Jags now the latest ones with hamstring issues, again) but everything off the pitch becomes totally irrelevant if we can't perform on the pitch.
Martinez took over Wigan, at the time a lower mid table side, and over the course of 4 years made them progressively worse in the league until they were relegated. He took over Everton, a regular top 6-8 side, and again he has progressively made us worse over 3 years. He has yet to improve year on year in the league.....coming up to 7 years now in the top flight, some 'learning' that. Ask a Wigan fan if they would have him back and you'll get laughed at - not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Whatever his 'vision' is, it has one undoubted result as far as league positions in the premier league are concerned.
It just amazes me how much back slapping goes on in the media and pundit circles as everyone wants to keep everyone else sweet so as not to rock the boat and potentially be exiled from the money trough that is the premier league. Most Everton fans saw 12 months ago that Martinez was not up to the task and yet the press and other media make out we should be grateful for having such a 'great manager'.
He dwells on his first season, last English club in Europe last year and a second half performance in the semi this year as the shining examples of the 'progress' we're making. Utterly ignoring the mass of statistics that show we're getting worse, never mind our league position, sorry defence and home record.
The guy is such a fraud it's unbelievable how many people just cannot see that.
53 Posted 01/05/2016 at 13:32:49
"Roberto, if your vision is so good why were Wigan relegated?"
"Roberto, if your vision is so good, why do Everton have the worst home record in their history?"
54 Posted 01/05/2016 at 13:47:54
This video sums up just how pathetic BK is.
Whether he's a nice man or not doesn't matter, the man is hugely flawed and is taking us backwards.
And the clubs attempts to drown out unhappy fans after the game by playing loud music was a total fucking disgrace.
55 Posted 01/05/2016 at 13:49:40
It's nonsense, he's just not a good manager. Can't motivate, can't get the right focus on results, can't manage during games.
My second biggest concern is that we'll decide this experiment with a forward thinking manager has failed and we'll go for a Moyesalike. No fear of a plan there - keep it tight today and we'll figure out what to do next season when we get there.
My biggest concern is that the board will be convinced by Martinez's plan.
56 Posted 01/05/2016 at 13:55:50
His legacy will be he had good intentions but he blew it. Very sad but true.
58 Posted 01/05/2016 at 14:04:33
He's going to be sacked... He knows it and is spinning any old crap to save face. We knew for weeks that Newcastle were going to sack McClaren, they were clearly sorting out the replacement first. I think that's what we are doing, putting feelers out and seeing who we can get, letting Bobby bullshit finish the season then he can clear his desk quietly with dignity!
Pellegrini or Koeman for me!
59 Posted 01/05/2016 at 14:22:41
I too believe that Martinez isn't the complete clown that most take him for. I give him credit for having the vision to oversee a long term project for success. His hero's like Cruyff and Guardiola have had a philosophy that has been based on continuity from youth level up to the first team.
These are sound principles and I can see how Martinez's successive chairman: Hugh Jenkins, Dave Whelan and Bill Kenwright speak so highly of him. The improvements in the academy aren't the things immediately apparent to supporters. This is why I suggested that Martinez might make a good director of football and while this set-up isn't something I'm sold on. It has some positives in theory and I can see why several clubs have tried this model.
The problem is that football is a results business which Martinez has conceded himself recently, but there is little or no evidence that it's been translated to the business end of things: Winning games! The opposite seems to be the case. We look like a vanity project for Martinez where he is more interested on style over substance.
As a manager, I don't think he's up to the job. It's admirable having a similar vision to your heroes. I wanted to play like Kevin Sheedy when I was kid. It was never going to happen though. As a manager he will always be a poor imitation of Guardiola or Cruyff.
Martinez might be doing the right things with the clubs infrastructure, but his job before anything else is to win games, and it's not happening.
I think nearly all of us are singing from the same hymn sheet. 95% out of 8,000+ votes want Martinez to leave. In case my post isn't completely black and white for some. I'll make it clear MARTINEZ OUT before I have to put my tin hat on for being a Martinez disciple.
60 Posted 01/05/2016 at 14:39:20
Swansea today let Liverpool have the ball and then hit them on the break. Everton have an ideal squad to play the counter attack. Pace in abundance with Lukaku, Lennon, Mirallas, Deulofeu, Barkley is quick too, yet we have rarely seen this exploited apart from Southampton away.
The sooner he is gone the better.
61 Posted 01/05/2016 at 14:56:59
Gavin, I wouldn't be too upset if he's kept on in some capacity like Director of Football to continue his development plans for the youth teams or even as chief scout. This might not be popular but I still like his ideas if not his managerial skills.
62 Posted 01/05/2016 at 15:12:05
1. the priority he puts on possession (even its its 15 meandering passes across our box) ahead of outcome -pass, pass, cross, shot, goal
2. The lack of running power both with and without the ball. It is a running game and we don't do enough or the little we do is low pace and low intensity
3. The lack of iron in the team- we don't compete fiercely enough, little hassling, pressing, scrapping.
I want someone who will fix these things and RM will never do it. He is too wedded to a false philosophy.
63 Posted 01/05/2016 at 15:16:38
Agree Ray. The endless pasding us just weird and boring. It's so slow tge opposition can organise themselves easily.
64 Posted 01/05/2016 at 15:35:17
I wonder if he still feels the same way?
65 Posted 01/05/2016 at 15:44:59
66 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:10:23
67 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:14:39
68 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:18:55
Just listened to Klippity Klopp. He comes across as a genuine football guy, what a breath of fresh air, then you listen to Martinez. What an absolute fraud.
69 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:19:39
70 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:20:42
71 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:28:37
His attitude to results is also called into question. Nothing new I know,l but if only the press had caught on to the faker six months earlier!
72 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:33:20
There is no indication he is 'in the know' and knows for certain it is a fait accompli.
Doyle is simply echoing a lot of posters on here who believe RM's position is now so untenable that he must be dismissed, that he should not be entrusted with the summer's transfer kitty and certainly should not be in situ next season.
Like others, I believe to continue with RM is too high risk and potentially extremely detrimental to the club's hopes and ambitions for the next decade.
But at no time in the piece does Doyle suggest he knows for a fact RM will be dismissed.
73 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:33:50
74 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:35:25
Where's Tony ? I like his tell it as it is attitude and always look for his posts, but cant see any.
75 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:35:58
Martinez would have to learn how to explain his ideas to players before I'd give him any kind of job. What he says he wants and what I see on the pitch are miles apart. He's compounded this by running a cohesive team in his first season and a complete mess in seasons two and three. Suggests to me there's something getting lost in the messages between him and the players.
I like what he says his ideas are. I want a manager who can actually put those ideas into practice. That's not Martinez.
76 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:51:16
So often this season we drew games should have won, football as they say often comes down to fine lines. Is it just coincidence our home form is appalling, is it possible our young lads are suffering lack of confidence and the current atmosphere is not helping?
77 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:54:22
Have Everton sounded him out?
My unevidenced theory is that Martinez will see the season out, and Pellegrini will step in during the summer.
Some of the want away players may have a change of mind?
Only a theory but worth hanging onto in the current climate.
78 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:56:39
79 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:57:45
I do think he has a vision, which I find interesting, but he needs people to put it into practice. Some of the best thinkers aren't the most practical people are they?
Jay, I think local journos probably have a better idea what is actually going on in clubs as they are in frequent contact with players, staff and even some people ITK . There's no smoke without fire as they say.
80 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:58:17
81 Posted 01/05/2016 at 16:59:14
82 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:01:07
83 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:03:45
Pellegrini for me. He's available and wants to stay in the Premier League.
84 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:04:15
85 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:04:52
86 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:05:32
87 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:06:26
88 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:10:23
Colin 56, I'm a little confused by your post when you say
"The sad thing about Martinez, IMO, is that he does "get" us."
I think you must be speaking for yourself, not "us", he never got us as far as I'm concerned and I certainly never got him and his post match analysis.
"He does want Everton to reach the very top but unfortunately he doesn't know how to get us there."
Doesn't every manager want their team to reach the top or am I missing something?
89 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:14:14
"There's no smoke without fire as they say."
As someone who has frequently and eloquently spoken out about football journalism Colin, and poured scorn on their literary efforts, do you truly believe that?
Read any media outlet's football rumours of the day, on any day of the year.
Still want to claim "there's no smoke without fire as they say?"
Ian Doyle is doing what almost all of us on this site is doing: speculating, without any hard proof to back up his claims.
At no point in his piece does Doyle indicate he is 'in the know' and can confirm RM's dismissal IS a given.
Not one of the Echo's 'local journos' have been emboldened to categorically state RM is a goner, regardless of how good their inside info and access to the club should be.
As I suggested on another thread, any journo worth his salt sitting on such a story would be tripping over himself to file such an exclusive to his editor and readership.
90 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:14:24
Pellegrini is looking the most logical option. Available, won trophies at the highest level, knows the league, NW England based, apparently wants to stay here, will benefit from being somewhere where he's wanted. Since when have the words logic and EFC belonged together?
91 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:16:56
92 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:17:45
If we have to go down the elder statesman route. I'm for Pellegrini all day long. But my first choices are Koeman and De Boar.
93 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:23:14
94 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:27:17
I don't know how LVG won anything either but the fact is that he does win stuff. The money spent had more to do with the club wanting to be seen as spenders rather than LVG
95 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:29:29
As you say, I usually take what the papers say with a huge pinch of salt but when a manager is being eased out of a job it's usually people (sources) within the club who start to feed the local journos with tidbits to get the ball rolling.
96 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:36:04
That's all probably bollocks too but rumours expand to fill the silence.
97 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:40:48
98 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:46:14
100 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:49:01
101 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:49:13
Years ago my old fella used to know, and was great mates with the boss of the Abbey pub on Tetlow Street.
What that guy didn't know...doh.
102 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:53:49
He was also snapped by a fan getting off the train yesterday.
103 Posted 01/05/2016 at 17:59:46
105 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:01:04
106 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:01:41
Fair enough, I stand corrected.
I just find it ridiculous that people in their position and power would divulge any info in a public domain
Bill and Martinez out as soon as possible
107 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:06:00
On the way up from Euston in the morning he always used to work his way through reading a pile of different, freshly purchased newspapers. He never cut off from the fans and the many times I saw him on the train, he was travelling alone. Needless to say he travelled first class.
109 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:13:03
110 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:14:46
The concept that every decision is made by clubs at formal meetings is a myth and was a myth as long ago as when Harry Catterick was 'pushed upstairs'.
111 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:17:42
112 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:26:37
113 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:28:23
114 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:34:56
I should make it clear that I expect R. Martinez to be in charge next season and I expect us to be relegated.
Sorry to end on a downer.
115 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:35:58
"Martinez can go and work at Fawlty Towers for all I care. "
He already is.
116 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:41:47
117 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:42:00
I believe he was on TV last Monday, recorded from Wembley, never saw it myself, think he was having a good go at Roberto and Billy Liar.
118 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:43:41
No doubt those 50 words or so will be re-joined by yet another Gettysburg Address. Martinez says less !
119 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:47:05
120 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:54:34
I was just wondering where he was
121 Posted 01/05/2016 at 18:56:10
[Cue that crappy music and Alan Freeman's voice over]
5] At number five [music] fat drunken arsehole [more shit music] Alan Brazil with feckless gobshite Mike Parry as Assistant Manager
4] "Dream Team" Andy Gray the sexist racist and Richard Keys !
3] Boyhood Evertonians, trophieless ladyboy Eddie Howe and the violent taxi driver twatter Sir Joey of Barton
2] The pumpkin headed Sam Allardyce
1] Roberto Martinez MontoliÃº
You seriously don't believe that Bullshit Bill has any intention of replacing the adorable but deeply flawed Roberto, do you ?
122 Posted 01/05/2016 at 19:12:27
You were sitting by the directors box looking at the photo.
Did anyone sitting around you voice their concerns to directors?
123 Posted 01/05/2016 at 19:40:53
Re. the train, you said yourself Moshiri is "barely a billionaire" so he's trying to save a few bob.
124 Posted 01/05/2016 at 19:50:02
125 Posted 01/05/2016 at 19:52:36
Ah well at least Moshiri and Bill don't have to get the London Midland train.
126 Posted 01/05/2016 at 19:54:37
127 Posted 01/05/2016 at 20:08:26
And here is the proof!
128 Posted 01/05/2016 at 20:20:56
129 Posted 01/05/2016 at 20:36:20
130 Posted 01/05/2016 at 20:49:48
131 Posted 01/05/2016 at 20:57:43
I think people were expecting the directors to get a lot of stick from the fans around them. I have spoken to a few mates who are in the lounges, they didn't hear or see anything.
132 Posted 01/05/2016 at 21:03:07
Maybe we should refer to him as Manuel...e's from Barcelona.
133 Posted 01/05/2016 at 21:05:20
So, Colin. £1.4 billion pounds is what, in your world? Small change?
134 Posted 01/05/2016 at 21:09:44
I have a similar outlook on managers. Hence my long list of wannabees
135 Posted 01/05/2016 at 21:21:25
136 Posted 01/05/2016 at 22:02:39
Maybe that's a clue to the format the protest should take - a finger in the eye ("let us explain").
137 Posted 01/05/2016 at 22:22:41
138 Posted 01/05/2016 at 22:59:02
139 Posted 01/05/2016 at 23:09:25
Eh...? What the frig are you on about?
Or ... are you TRULY addressing Jay WOODS (who hasn't posted on this thread), or me, Jay WOOD, who hasn't addressed you at all?
140 Posted 01/05/2016 at 23:25:55
The deadline is due for the season tickets by the 3rd, and im honestly gutted that the club have left us in the dark over the future of our club.
Martinez needs sacking, plain and simple, everybody knows it and the board are allowing us to remain frustrated.
Put the poor man out of his misery, or back him publicly so I can save myself £700 odd quid in season ticket fees for myself and my boys.
I can not endure another season of that shits, its simply soul destroying.
141 Posted 01/05/2016 at 23:48:59
Dithering Dave spent net ٧m in 11 seasons, despite rising TV money. Okay so wage inflation probably care of some of that but we consistently had amongst the smallest squads in the Premier League.
Martinez comes in and does well with a fit squad, brings in some faces and then says we need 6/7 players. We get half that. And again. And again. Has he really been backed or has bullshitter Kenwright been playing the same game knowing the value of some of the squad.
Martinez is culpable because he's playing the wrong game but bullshit Bill and his cohorts are still hiding the truth from the fans. How do we know this? He runs the club like an Arab dictator; no AGM's, no questions, no interaction just silence and the odd tear when it matters like yesterday's "show". He really is a duplicitous man.
He said he'd sell up by 70... he's still here and found a new investor for his train set. Hands off, it's mine. Until we rid the club of this cancer we will never move forward regardless of manager.
142 Posted 01/05/2016 at 23:55:29
143 Posted 02/05/2016 at 00:05:47
He's been spouting bullshit again in the Echo, again spouting the shite about how good our away record is, if he says that one more time, I'll fuckin' flip. Bastard.
144 Posted 01/05/2016 at 00:14:52
Er..like a what?
Sorry but surely 'like a dictator' would have been sufficient to make the point, or are you saying there's something about 'Arab dictators' that makes them more nasty and controlling than than say Hitler or Stalin or Ho Chi Min (Mao Zedong, Leopold ll, Tojo..).
145 Posted 02/05/2016 at 00:35:00
I'm going to look a real dick if he's wrong, and will expect to be roundly jeered if it's bollocks. But, like I said, I trust my source and he's always been right when making pronouncements in the past.
146 Posted 02/05/2016 at 00:41:33
149 Posted 01/05/2016 at 07:46:57
Thanks for asking about me Darren, I'm not very good with modern technology, and for some reason, my posts have to be checked for bad grammar! So I can't really keep up with the flow of the conversation.
Also feel tired at the minute, and can't help feeling that the bastards in charge have really let us down with their reluctance to change the manager. Can't help feeling that we should be going back to Wembley for a proper "jolly up", but the Anfield disaster put paid to that.
CANT UNDERSTAND HOW A TEAM CAN PLAY AN FA CUP SEMI FINAL, LIKE A PRE SEASON FRIENDLY, which is what we did for 45 minutes at Wembley. I didnt think it hurt as much, but it obviously fucking does.
150 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:17:17
151 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:09:23
152 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:30:24
153 Posted 02/05/2016 at 14:46:20
154 Posted 02/05/2016 at 15:29:25
No plan B, no tactical awareness, no idea of defending, only when Kompany plays do they look secure, Mangala and Otimendi look totally out of place at times... and how much money did he spend on them?
No, no, no, no to Pellegrini, definitely Martinez out.
155 Posted 02/05/2016 at 18:34:05
156 Posted 02/05/2016 at 18:40:33
157 Posted 02/05/2016 at 18:56:29
158 Posted 02/05/2016 at 18:56:54
159 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:00:50
160 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:01:55
161 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:19:23
162 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:20:05
163 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:20:38
164 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:37:29
165 Posted 06/05/2016 at 06:30:28
"We need to learn from the mistakes." So what are these mistakes, what have we learnt and what are we going to do to fix them?
Please note the plural so more than one mistake.
But what are they? Walking on the pitch in the wrong order? As long as he makes vague statements he sounds good. Oh for the journalist who actually challenges them to make them more concrete. Taxi for Mr Paxman, you are needed at GP for the press conference.
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