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Carvalho and Martins seek to terminate Sporting contracts

| Monday, 11 June 2018 38comments  |  Jump to last
Reported Everton targets William Carvalho and Gelson Martins, together with Bruno Fernandes, have become the latest players to inform Sporting CP of their intent to terminate their contracts with the club.

Rui Patricio and Daniel Podence have already begun the legal proceedings to cancel their employment with the Lisbon club following the astonishing training ground attack in which Sporting players were set upon by supporters.

It looked as though Carvalho, the player most likely to sign for the Blues this summer — Martins has also been linked but appears closer to joining Arsenal based on speculation — was going to remain contracted to Sporting rather than go the route of terminating but that is no longer the case.

If Carvalho is successful, he would be free to negotiate terms with another club and move as a free agent.

Amid allegations that the attack on the players was instigated by club president Bruno de Carvalho, in his letter to Sporting, Patricio cited the club's failure to protect player safety and that he now feared for his life as just cause for him terminating his contract.

A Bola are reporting that all three players will reverse their decision if De Carvalho resigns in the next seven days.

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Colin Glassar
1 Posted 11/06/2018 at 18:26:54
Carvalho was excellent in the Euros with Portugal but even they admit he's not the most mobile player. Then neither was Michael Carrick but boy, could he pick out a pass.

I know nothing of Martins but I have heard of him (at least).

Gavin Johnson
2 Posted 11/06/2018 at 18:32:27
It would be amazing news if we could get one (or both) of them on a free. I think we'll be in the mix for Carvalho. Doubt we could get Martins when the likes of Arsenal are sniffing around.
Darren Murphy
3 Posted 11/06/2018 at 18:45:50
Martins would be a great asset if we could get him, he's quick, skillful, picks passes well, eye for goal too, likes to place pacey well-driven shots that keepers can't reach.

Caravalho is too slow for me personally. Think we need a bit more urgency.

I don't see us getting Martins... but I'd like to think so.

Tom Bowers
4 Posted 11/06/2018 at 18:54:35
Carvahlo is a strong player who could do an excellent job in Everton's midfield, similar to Dier at Spurs. He makes a lot of forward runs and is an astute passer of the ball.
Steve Ferns
5 Posted 11/06/2018 at 19:27:00
Colin, Gelson is an infuriating winger. I have no idea how he'd do if he stepped up to the Premier League. Based on his Portuguese performances, against the top sides, I fear he may disappoint.

However, he would be an exciting player to watch. He is lightning. He plays mainly on the right of a front three, so Walcott's position. He can play left but he is one footed. He'd murder Walcott for speed, yes he is that fast. If you watch his YouTube you'll see skills, flicks and tricks aplenty. He's got a long highlight reel.

The reality is most of them come against lesser players, and he does struggle to replicate against the best, consistently. His passing is poor. He's extremely selfish and it seems like he's playing form himself. He'll fly down the right beating players for fun, but not actually go anywhere. Sometimes he looks all flash, no substance. He struggles at times for Portugal. However, he's only young and maybe that consistency will come. Maybe he needs to play at a higher level.

I've seen Lozano far less, but bearing in mind Lozano can play on the left of a front three, I'd take him. Gelson Martins for free would be a steal though.

The reality is though that Arsenal and Liverpool are ahead of us in the queue.

Ian Burns
6 Posted 11/06/2018 at 19:43:25
Great post, Steve – I don't know how you do it! A player I've never heard of yet you can give us the low down in such a technical level!!

From your description, he sounds very much like that player Middlesborough have – I think his name is Traore; lightening fast but often in danger of running so fast off the pitch he has to pay to get back in.

As far as Cavalho is concerned, if we get him for free, then he will be a bargain. If we have to pay 㿏M, I think I might want to take another look at Schneiderlin!!

Jack Convery
7 Posted 11/06/2018 at 21:03:16
I've posted before, noting that Carvalho reminds me of Cleveland from Family Guy. He's defo an unsung hero for Portugal but he's not the quickest. Joe on Family Guy often outruns him and he's in a wheelchair!

The fact these players have asked for their contracts to be terminated makes me think us and the Arsenal have prompted their agents, with a view to higher wages and a bigger signing-on fee, if they come as free transfers.

Soren Moyer
8 Posted 11/06/2018 at 21:11:33
We need to get the one that Arsenal want!
Andrew Keatley
9 Posted 11/06/2018 at 21:30:40
Steve (5) - "He'd murder Walcott for speed"?


He might be quicker over 10 yards but, over 50 yards, I'd definitely have my money on Walcott.

Jamie Crowley
10 Posted 11/06/2018 at 22:12:24
Jack @7-

If Steve Ferns can use Family Guy comparisons as you have, I feel I might be able to actually feel like I know what the hell is going on!

Fantastic post.

Would love to know who Quagmire is? All the love but can't finish?

Tony Everan
11 Posted 11/06/2018 at 22:21:04
With all this contractual wrangling going on and Watford pushing for compensation, we need to appoint a renowned Barrister to join the new team. It is a legal minefield out there.
David Israel
12 Posted 11/06/2018 at 22:46:55
Irrespective of which of these players we might want, what sort of quagmire would we be treading on if we signed any of them? I know there were awful events in Lisbon, but I'm not sure how and if any of them can just walk away for free and sign for some other club. To sum it up: I think we should steer well clear!
Liam Young
13 Posted 11/06/2018 at 23:17:03
Carvalho is a solid holding midfielder and a perfect replacement for Schneiderlin. Gelson Martins will bring pace and flair to the team – something we lacked last season. If we get these two on a free, it will be the best deals in a long time.
Andrew Wilkinson
14 Posted 11/06/2018 at 23:44:35
Steve @ no 5

Spot on mate. I think Martins may have a bit of pace and a few tricks but may struggle in the Premier League.

Mike Gaynes
15 Posted 11/06/2018 at 23:44:59
Steve (#5), great post. I'd actually rather have Martins than Carvalho, just because of his capacity to turn a game on its head. Infuriating is a good word, but he's also just 23 and will mature. And yes, at this point I think he's a step faster than Walcott. Definitely worth the gamble on a free. So is Bruno, although I doubt we would get him.

I would also go for Rui Patricio. If his Wolves deal falls through, I think he'd make a great backup for Pickford, and on a free he'd be an ideal addition. Mature veteran, and I just can't blame him for the howler at Maritimo with what was going on in the club at the time.

But I still wouldn't go for Bas Dost.

Steve Ferns
16 Posted 12/06/2018 at 00:23:03
Lol, nice one, Mike.

Ian, it's Sporting. The team I follow more closely than any other in Portugal, in the league I follow more closely than any outside of England.

With Silva, Carvalho and Gelson Martins – it's just planets aligning for me. If this was PSV, ie Lozano and Brands, you've as much of a clue as me.

Darren Hind
17 Posted 12/06/2018 at 01:29:17
It's Groundhog Day.

The clapping and the whooping about players who would not make a blind bit of difference to us has started early this year.

Carvalho looks like Ya Ya (in his current state) pulling a cannon and would not cope with the pace of the Premier League. As for Martins being able to "pick a pass" – how does anybody know? the fucker plays in blinkers – can't pass/won't pass.

I did laugh at the suggestion that Martins would murder Walcott for speed. Was an official stopwatch used to come to that conclusion?

We need skill, athleticism, aggression and intelligence to take us forward and make us more pleasing to watch, yet here we are getting all Man Utd over a guy who spends his time running down blind alleys and another who spends his time "getting there" about 20 minutes late.

We badly need a quality centre-half. We badly need a left-back. We badly need more skill and guile behind the forwards and we need better forwards than Niasse and the Turkish Andy Johnson.

Brands has already told us we need to shed a few before we can bring better quality in; I sincerely hope he has already noted we are all stocked up with unproductive fast wingers and painfully slow midfield men... We don't need any more!

Laurie Hartley
18 Posted 12/06/2018 at 03:05:02
I would buy two centre-backs – Managala and Mawson.
Vijay Nair
19 Posted 12/06/2018 at 03:44:36
Laurie, I assume you mean Mangala? WHY???

Mawson I understand... but Mangala??

Dermot Byrne
20 Posted 12/06/2018 at 05:08:40
Darren Hind

"Its groundhog day."

In so many ways!

But agree pace is vital it we will continue to pick out a pass sideways.

Laurie Hartley
21 Posted 12/06/2018 at 05:58:45
Vijay # 18 - well, because I believe he is a "quality" centre half and the sort of player we need. He is experienced, available, young, big, fast, can tackle and head the ball, and has a bit of nastiness in him. Plus he has another attribute that I am known to be quite keen on if you followed the "433" thread.

Mawson has identical attributes although he is not as experienced.

I think the defence is our biggest problem and during my musings about Everton I called to mind the time when Moyes introduced Joleon Lescott who had all of the same attributes as these two, to the team. He played him at left back.

Both Mangala and Mawson can play at left back so its 4 for the price of 2 for me.

If Marco Silva is as good a coach as he is purported to be or hoped for he should be able to sort the midfield out with the players he has available.

That would leave him another striker to find although I have high hopes of Tosun if Lookman and Walcott are played with him.

Trevor Peers
22 Posted 12/06/2018 at 06:35:10
Agree with Darren @17; Despite all the changes, the lack of imagination in signings looks set to continue. We are in for a hell of a struggle as usual.
Dermot Byrne
23 Posted 12/06/2018 at 06:52:39
Trevor (#22): maybe it is the internet rumours that are lacking imagination? We have signed nobody and with new management, the rumour creators are a bit stuck as they have no track record to base their guesses on.

So, whilst we are in that position, you've only got a couple of decades of mediocre Blues teams to base your outrageous pessimism on!

John G Davies
24 Posted 12/06/2018 at 06:53:37

Can you give us any names of who you would be looking to sign? It's all very well naming the positions we need to fill, anyone who watches us can see them, but a few suggestions would be handy.

Trevor Peers
25 Posted 12/06/2018 at 07:11:39
Well, Dermot, I'll get optimistic when we try to sign a forward with electric pace who can actually score a lot of goals, something we haven't had for decades.

Lukaku was a decent goalscorer but was hardly an exciting footballer to watch. If you're getting waves of optimism about the present set up, I'd like to know why?

Dermot Byrne
26 Posted 12/06/2018 at 07:24:17
Trev: why? Because I have a hope that these two know what they are doing. Your view is far more grounded in reality or at least track record.

If they are crap and it is all the same, a few saying "told ya so" on TW is just a mild irritation compared to even a few weeks of optimism. If I became so ground down that I just expected nothing, then I would pack it all in.

So basically, based on nothing really... but hey, what's to lose – apart from my dignity and mental health!

Trevor Peers
27 Posted 12/06/2018 at 07:29:57
I can sympathise with your last sentence, Dermot, I recognize them feelings very well... haha!
Darren Murphy
28 Posted 12/06/2018 at 11:21:02
How does anyone know? Well duh, watching him play on a regular basis for starters, I know more than you obviously.
John G Davies
29 Posted 12/06/2018 at 12:23:19
Easily accessible to watch football from any league nowadays. People watch a lot of matches to gain a knowledge of how our new leader sets up, for example.
James Hopper
30 Posted 12/06/2018 at 16:36:06
Something about them wanting their contracts torn up and forcing a move makes me uneasy. We definitely need a number of good, solid professionals in the squad.

Would Carvalhos actions single him out as a potential troublemaker? Disruptive influence? Or is this just a justified, one-time thing?

Liam Reilly
31 Posted 12/06/2018 at 17:17:25
Steve (#5),

I reckon you could copy and paste those comments back a decade or so and be talking about one: Christiano Ronaldo.

I'm not saying this guy is in his league; but Ronaldo was an infuriating player when he first appeared for Man Utd.

Mike Gaynes
32 Posted 12/06/2018 at 18:04:43
Trevor #25:

"Lukaku was a decent goalscorer but was hardly an exciting footballer to watch."

Say what??

You telling me you didn't stand up when he got the ball in space running at a defender?

The goal against Chelsea was one of the greatest individual efforts in Everton history. Ask what's left of Cahill whether Rom was an "exciting footballer." Or ask Keane after that F-18 turn last year. Or the whole Bournemouth defense after the give-and-go with Seamus. Or Clichy.

That "decent goalscorer" was the most exciting player we've had since Rooney left.

Brent Stephens
33 Posted 12/06/2018 at 18:10:40
Mike, that Lukaku goal against Chelsea was described by one poster on here as a “scuff shot”. More scuff shots, say I!
Trevor Peers
34 Posted 12/06/2018 at 18:14:33
Mike, your talking about his goals; I was referring to his ability outside the box, he's scored some great goals at his present club as well, but hardly sets the place alight. Saying that, I'd take him back anytime.
Darren Hind
35 Posted 12/06/2018 at 18:18:40
Was the Portuguese league on BT when Silva was there? I don't remember it...
John G Davies
36 Posted 12/06/2018 at 18:31:26
I presumed it was, Darren, after you saying you had studied Silva's teams for "many years".
Peter Lee
37 Posted 15/06/2018 at 21:13:19
We desperately need a lumbering, one-paced DMF. On the evidence of tonight's game Carvalho is our man.
Drew O'Neall
38 Posted 26/06/2018 at 07:25:45
Peter - I agree. The guy plays at walking place a la Yaya Toure without birthday cake.

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