Richarlison returns to Vicarage Road for the first time since he and Marco Silva left last year, but did next to nothing of worth in this game
Everton are back on their travels this weekend as Marco Silva faces a reunion with Watford at Vicarage Road just over a year after he was relieved of his post as the Hertfordshire club's boss.
Marco Silva has made three changes to the Everton team for his return to Watford. Richarlison, Gylfi Sigurdsson and Cenk Tosun have been recalled after being dropped to the bench for the midweek game with Manchester City. Theo Walcott, Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Bernard are the ones to make way.
Jordan Pickford is in goal with Jonjoe Kenny, Michael Keane, Kurt Zouma and Lucas Digne making up the back four. Silva has kept faith with a midfield three of Tom Davies, who captains the side again, Andre Gomes and Idrissa Gueye.
Yerry Mina has not been passed fit for the game and so birthday boy Morgan Feeney is part of the travelling party but did not make the bench.
Everton started well, Digne swinging in a decent cross, and Davies getting fouled, but Digne put the set-piece into Foster's hands. Tosun overlapped well enough but served up the ball easily to Foster. But, after a couple of spicy challenges from Deeney and then Davies, Watford came into it a lot more and applied some firm pressure that Everton had to defend.
A tremendous chance was created by Deeney chesting down to Doucoure whose fierce goalbound shot was deflected over point-blank off the top of Pickford's head! A fantastic save. A good cross in from Richarlison was aimed at Tosun but intercepted.
Everton were playing the ball around well enough, Richarlison getting his ankle clipped down by the corner flag. Sigurdsson's header came off Mina then Keane, and softly to Foster. It was very lively stuff with sides playing open but competitive football. Digne picked out Zouma with a fine cross, whose glancing header unmarked lacked the power to beat Foster.
Sigurdsson tried to release Tosun down the middle but overhit his through-ball. Richarlison was playing wide right, and getting roundly booed, as Everton went around the houses dropping back into their annoying side to side until a Digne foul throw went behind.
The pace of the game was vibrant, as Davies tried to break through but Foster was out fast. Watford had a threatening spell, Deulofeu denied the chance to shoot.
Tosun and Cathcart clashed heads, while Capoue caught Richarlison sneakily off the ball with an elbow to the face. Then Holebas slapped him on the head when challenging for an aerial ball, and our big lad went down like a sack of spuds until he got treatment.
Tosun got a gift, spun and shot, forcing a good parry from Foster. Watford put on some decent attacks the first initially repelled, the next winning a corner, but no pressure on the Everton zonal nonsense.
Keane did well to win the ball in midfield but Davies's touch let him down. Richarlison beat three men on his own but ran into a wall of Hornets. Sigurdsson again played a good through-ball for Tosun who had strayed offside.
Richarlison did well to collect a long pass, turn and run goalward but the ball wasn't running for Tosun and Davies as they struggled to create a chance. Keane's high arm caught the ball, giving away a dangerous free-kick that Holebas curled in and zonal marking defended away.
Deulofeu, wide left, did his usual step-overs and Gana blocked his shot behind for a corner, zonal winning out again. Under pressure from Deeney, Kenny headed back to Pickford from close range. Then, Digne had to be brave to block what looked like a nailed-on chance for Deulofeu to open the scoring.
A couple more foul throws from Digne on the left led to nothing, and another free-kick central. Pickford came out a long way, leaping like a demented salmon and fumbling the aerial ball, luckily it was played backwards by Watford and their last chance of the half was gone. A good half of football but, as seems standard now, few chances created.
Hostilities resumed, Gana wasting a long crossfield pass well beyond Richarlison. Davies played a lovely ball out to Deulofeu.... unfortunately. A half chacne from Sigurdsson bounced off the top of the crossbar as Capoue made a back for Richarlison, who was [not!] badly injured in the fall!
Holebas got a sniff but lashed wide after Kenny had hooked the ball away. Keane gave away a corner, and the zoners lined up, headed behind by Keane. The reprise was swung in and five players crashed into Pickford at the far post, a lengthy conference ensuing. Free-kick Everton.
Davies's care of the ball was frankly shocking for a professional Premier League footballer, sloppy sloppy half-passes given away time and again. Another corner for Watford, Holebas's delivery again headed away by a Blue-shirted zonal defender. The second-half had seemingly been played entirely in Everton's half, as the time for subs approached.
Richarlison got behind the Watford line and seemed to have a chance but Holebas was back in a flash to very easily take the ball off his toe. Walcott came on for Gomes. Digne was called for a strange challenge, another dangerous free-kick, Pickford punched but it was picked up and worked around by Watford, winning another corner despite a massive and vociferous protest from Pickford that he never touched the ball driven across his goal and behind. Zouma in the zone again, heading away. But in the second phase, Hughes got to the line and it was an easy goal for substitute Gray at the far post, zonal not at fault this time. Richarlison exchanged for Bernard.
Everton were now in chaos, as Watford looked to hammer home their superiority since the break, Silva looking less than pleased on the sideline as the Watford fans revelled in their advantage. Zouma appeared to get clipped by Deeney, demanding a card that Probert eventually showed.
Kenny played a lovely ball forward for Walcott who stepped a foot offside. Silva went for it, with Calvert-Lewin on for Everton's supposedly most creative player Sigurdsson, who had done absolutely nothing in this game. Everton won a free kick and ventured forward but were immediately repulsed and the game was back in their half.
The quality of Davies was shown up yet again with a hoof forward straight into touch. Calvert-Lewin got wide of the Watford area but simply passed it to a defender. On the other side, Walcott set up Tosun, his bizarre half-poke going behind but not for a corner, much to the Turk's annoyance.
Davies again lazily fed a ball forward that Tosun could never ever reach. A far better ball for Walcott, Hoelbas pushing him over and getting a yellow card. From a difficult angle out wide, Digne clipped the bar with the free-kick, ust above the far post, it was very close and would have been a fantastic goal... but wasn't.
Kenny overlapped and put in a fantastic cross that Walcott tried but failed to head, and nothing came of the corner. At least Everton were pressing now, but too little too late. Zouma did really well to set it up for Calvert-Lewin, on a plate, perfect service, and Calvert-Lewin this time uses his neck muscles to power the header 8 feet wide of the goal. A simply astounding miss from the youngster.
Gana was fouled but Bernard's ball in from the free was so so poor. Janmat was called for a foul on Bernard wide left, Digne, another free header for Calvert-Lewin, this time straight at Foster.
Bermnard clipped a perfect ball for Tosun who headed horribly high and wide when it looked easier to bury the goal, but he had stepped a yard offside. Zouma went mad at the ref at the end, and was shown two yellow cards by the referee, getting himself ridiculously shown the red and thus missing the
derby Cardiff game.
That pretty much summed up yet another game where Everton under Marco Silva, at the ground where he presumably somehow caught Farhad Moshiri's eye, failed to score and did not deserve.
Scorer: Gray (65')
Watford: Foster, Janmaat, Mariappa, Cathcart, Holebas [Y:83'], Doucoure, Capoue, Hughes (90' Chalobah), Sema (46' Gray), Deulofeu, Deeney [Y:70'].
Subs not Used: Gomes, (61' Cleverley) Masina, Penaranda, Kabasele.
Everton: Pickford, Kenny, Keane, Zouma [Y:90+5';YR:90+5'], Digne, Gueye, Davies, Gomes (62' Walcott), Sigurdsson (74' Calvert-Lewin), Tosun, Richarlison (66' Bernard).
Subs not Used: Stekelenburg, Coleman, McCarthy, Lookman.
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1 Posted 09/02/2019 at 14:07:53
2 Posted 09/02/2019 at 14:14:44
Trying to crowbar an expensive tug boat into the formation that worked well in the first half the other night. Just when you see a glimmer of light with Silva, it's snuffed out.
I've had enough of this. I'm seriously considering watching the Rugby instead.
3 Posted 09/02/2019 at 14:19:16
Or is one of Davies or Gomes out wide?
Or is it a completely different formation?
4 Posted 09/02/2019 at 14:34:53
Clearly today it's about being even more boring and uncreative and hoping to sneak a deflected goal or free-kick and sneak a victory. Yeah, right!!
5 Posted 09/02/2019 at 14:35:56
6 Posted 09/02/2019 at 14:37:35
7 Posted 09/02/2019 at 14:37:51
Tosun is no good at holding the ball up and is too slow to run on to things. Richarlison is an out-and-out left-sided player so who is playing right wing... Sigurdsson? If we're playing a 4-3-1-2, that makes us very narrow.
I just can't see it but hope I'm wrong. We really need the 3 points from this one.
8 Posted 09/02/2019 at 14:42:35
9 Posted 09/02/2019 at 14:43:53
I'm clearing out my garage. Enough shit there without looking for more and the lucky Redshite on Radio 5. Deep joy.
11 Posted 09/02/2019 at 15:20:57
12 Posted 09/02/2019 at 15:23:52
13 Posted 09/02/2019 at 15:34:36
14 Posted 09/02/2019 at 15:44:14
15 Posted 09/02/2019 at 15:54:41
Why didn't he play Sigurdsson? Oh, wait a minute... I've just seen him walking off the pitch.
16 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:01:36
Some steel throughout the side and some nice football as well.
Kenny and Davies continue to impress. Keane and Zouma comfortably winning the aerial challenge. Digne OK. Good block on Deulofeu's shot. Gueye having another great game, not least of all some very slick passing. Even Richarlison looks better than he has in recent weeks, but he still needs to man up rather than roll over and play dead, even on the plays when the foul is called.
Gomes for me continues to be the weak link in midfield. Not strong in retaining possession when he gets on the ball. Doing very little with it when he does get a pass off.
Sigurdson similar, but still getting off better passes than Gomes. A mixed bag from Tosun. Good shot that forced Foster into a save, but it does annoy me when he gets called from coming back from an offside position, thus halting a promising attack.
Three points are there if you want them, Everton.
17 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:01:47
18 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:09:25
20 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:23:14
Wish I shared your optimism but I'm watching a pile of shite. It doesn't look like we've got a goal in us and people saying we are crying out for a top class striker... Where would the service come from?
21 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:24:26
22 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:24:51
Thats it.. club hurling game is on. Sod this.
23 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:26:49
24 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:28:06
25 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:28:46
26 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:29:47
27 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:38:04
Siggurdsson has been shite for weeks. He tries to play like a Bergkamp / Sheringham, but hes just NOT in that class. He kills the shape of the team, and makes us one dimensional.
Walcott has also been shite for months too, yet hes clearly a favourite. Tosuns has two good games all year and offers nothing in a struggling team. Cant get Gomes fit to last an hour.
Other than the kids who where already in first team he hasnt tried or managed to bring in one.
Set pieces are like sunday league, but less organised.
Enough is enough, give Unsworth another go, or id even accept Moyes as a stop gap if we have to. We need passion and fight, and Silva is a damp squib.
28 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:46:17
29 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:47:36
30 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:49:34
31 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:50:34
32 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:50:35
33 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:54:00
34 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:54:59
Nah, you can't build a team around ambition. Best throw money at mercenary players and managers because they wouldn't cost money unless they were worth it I'm sure.
35 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:56:12
36 Posted 09/02/2019 at 16:59:51
37 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:03:22
38 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:03:42
39 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:06:38
40 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:07:28
41 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:07:32
42 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:07:48
When is the last time we lost three league games in 7 days?
Worst strike force Ive seen at this club since the days of Bakayoko.
Midfield is made up of just nobodies with no real Premier League quality on show.
We cant keep a clean sheet, cant score goals.
If I was sticking my neck out right now Id say we will struggle to win another game this season because I cant see any team out there other than Huddersfield currently worse than us.
43 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:08:30
Cannot believe anyone could defend this shambles now!
And to say who else do we get in? Anyone barring this joker
44 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:09:37
Watford scored from the one class pass of the entire game. The excellent one touch lay-off by their centre back kept the cleared ball from a corner alive and opened the right flank of our defence for the cross and finish.
There were good individual performances. The back four was mostly solid with our two centre backs winning everything in the air. Neither Digne nor Kenny were stretched - Kenny was superb in defence and attack and had Deulofeu in his pocket all game.
Tom looks to have returned to the form he showed in his debut year. Gueye was immense, but Gomes, Sigurdson and Richarlison peripheral and all 3 understandably substituted.
Walcott did very well when he came on (possibly not a popular thing to say on TW) and it was an obvious tactic to use his pace to get in behind their defence which almost paid dividends.
Bernard flickered and DCL did OK, but he and Tosun had great scoring chances in the dying minutes. Even though Tosun was called offside for his chance, he doesn't know that and still has to bury that kind of opportunity.
Not pretty. Another loss. But there was more fight and spirit in the team than we've seen in most games since early December.
And despite the calls for his head, I doubt Moshiri is going to go back on what he said 5 days ago and sack Silva tonight. But today's defeat is one less game for him to save his job at the end of the season.
45 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:10:41
46 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:12:05
Rhino stretching out in readiness for stint three
47 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:12:38
Do we wait until the end of the season to part company? - at the moment I cannot see where a next point is coming from??
I think drastic (but again costly ) measures are required now...
48 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:12:57
49 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:12:58
50 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:13:01
We are going backwards, and we cannot afford to be cast further adrift. If Silva is still here come the summer, then he could still be here in October - and we could be in dire straits by then. We saw it with Martinez and Koeman. Get rid now, and get someone else in to spend the rest of the season trying to build some semblance of recovery; at least that way it gives us a chance of hitting the start of next season running.
There are some people who always cite the Howard Kendall turnaround in 1984. Other than that, and Sir Alex Ferguson at Man Utd in the 1989/90 season, I cannot think of managers who are on the verge of disaster and turn it round. It's very rare. What is common is continuing to be rubbish and eventually getting the sack. I'm for sacking him now.
51 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:13:02
Anyone will do compared to this one-dimensional clueless football.
Embarrassing times. Cardiff? I for one am not looking forward to that game.
53 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:15:22
54 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:15:34
you're all a fckn disgrace, enough's enough.
55 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:16:41
56 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:16:44
Stop looking at Everton's results in insolation as if we are in a direct fight with Cardiff for relegation.
There are eight other teams between us and Cardiff. They ALL need to go on title winning form to overhaul us before we topple into the bottom 3.
It ain't gonna happen. Save yourself the angst every week.
But if we continue like this into next season, all bets are off!
57 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:17:06
It has to be Unsworth if we bring someone from you own lines.
58 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:17:22
59 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:17:41
Would any manager leave their current job to step up? Unlikely I think. It would have to be someone who's available, or give Silva the rest of the season which is what will happen.
60 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:19:04
Starting 11 was all wrong based on form and fitness. Why was DCL not started?
We needed to be more compact and play counter attacking football. We needed the pace of DCL, Richarlison and Lookman or Walcott from the start.
Gana and Davies played well and we're combative closing them down but it's the next phase that we lack. We either go backwards or give the ball away.
I'd rather they mix it up and whack it forward 30 yards for our forwards to chase down the channels.
Now a much needed break to work on the tactics and back to basics defending and attacking. Everyone in 9an until 6pm 7 days a week training and getting some much needed discipline.
61 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:19:06
62 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:20:06
I wish I had more confidence in those running the club but they are a major part of the problem. Moshiri: wealthy but clueless about football; Barrett-Baxendale: good with charities but clueless about football; Kenwright: good for fuck all.
Brands is our only hope. I worry about him too.
Oh God come to our aid, Oh Lord make haste to help us.
63 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:20:21
64 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:21:01
65 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:21:04
Under Moyes, you always felt away from home if we were level at half time, then we would not be beaten and might get the result. Now, you almost feel if we are not ahead at HT then you know we are going to concede just like Brighton, Saints and others!
66 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:21:34
67 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:21:44
DCL and Tosun both had criminal misses there at the end of the match that any striker should be at least hitting the target with.
Other than that, same old shite from the whole club. Only ones who seem to be really giving it their all are Bernard and Zouma.
68 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:21:45
69 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:21:59
I mentioned prior to the Southampton game we needed to win that and at Huddersfield as our home games were horrendous. I thought we would have a chance against Wolves and Burnley.
If we were to get any points I thought it would be away... now I just cant see anything anywhere!!
I may well have been waving the white flag but I bet theres a lot more flag wavers tonight
Just wish this transition would hurry up and finish. Its been going since 1987
70 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:22:44
That could be us too!
Now bring Moyes back in and bring back Rooney while we're at it to lead the line.
71 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:22:52
2.I would bring in Billy Kenny to talk to the team about how fragile a football career can be.
3.I would ban Kenwright for life from entering Goodison Park.
4.I would give life bans to anyone who says bring in Arteta as manager since he has zero experience and is a traitor
72 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:23:12
73 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:23:34
74 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:23:35
75 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:23:40
No sign that Silva has any answers, at all.
Please; just sack him now.
76 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:24:33
77 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:24:40
Silva is possibly the worst manager we've ever had, the weakness in his character transfers through to the players on the pitch – we look as lost as he does. How was he ever considered for the job?
78 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:24:44
79 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:24:55
80 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:24:56
There has not been much positive development since Ferguson came in as head coach. We are not even close to scoring and look completely toothless.
81 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:25:40
82 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:26:57
83 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:27:09
84 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:27:42
85 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:28:34
Jenas was right on MotD, we are a nothing club now, no identity.
86 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:28:58
I've got no answers to this decline (very steep decline) I hope someone at the club has.
87 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:29:27
88 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:29:52
89 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:31:18
90 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:31:58
91 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:32:12
"Kurt Zouma sent off in the tunnel after the match. Ugly scenes here on a terrible day for Everton. I'm hearing he bit referee Lee Probert. Absolutely no place for that in the sport. Can't wait to hear what Silva has to say about this..."
92 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:33:31
I cannot see where the the wins or draws are going to come from, can you?
93 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:33:54
As soon as we concede the game's over. It's pathetic. Yes we had a couple of chances at the end with Tosun missing a sitter but every time we concede first not one ounce of me thinks we can get back into it.
I think it's 4 wins in 15 or 16 now. That's just unacceptable no matter who the manager is or how long they've been there. I know for a fact that if Sam was in charge and presided over a similar run we'd be hounding him out right now. 11 points picked up since the derby. Only Fulham and Huddersfield have picked up less. We're a mid-table side in relegation form being flattered in the top half by a poor league.
His tactics are shocking, his subs are ridiculous. Why is he still going with Walcott? He's nothing short of useless and has been for months. We may as well just go down to 10 men whenever he comes on. Waiting until Watford were basically comfortable before bringing Calvert-Lewin on. Taking Richarlison off seconds after conceding? What's that all about?
How much time does he need before we admit that he's an absolute charlatan and we get rid? Our form is indefensible, the performances are unacceptable, the season is over, we passed up probably the best chance we'll ever get of getting to Wembley this season with that Millwall shambles. We're a joke. Silva's a joke.
Moshiri is a joke as well. Footballing wise he's an embarrassment. Knows fuck all and his decision making has been disastrous. Don't think those players escape criticism either. I am sick to death of them. No leaders, no one takes responsibility or gives a shit unless they're basically encouraged to.
I can't believe we were prepared last November to pay £15m in compensation to get Silva after a few decent games. A relegation and a sacking after jacking it in essentially is a record that should see someone nowhere near our club yet people were making out that he was ‘a world class coach' and the next Mourinho.
If you appoint shite you're going to get shite. Watford fell away just as badly as we are now and they got rid. Their fans warned us when we got him about how stubborn he was, how he couldn't set up a defence and that he can't turn around a poor run of form and look what's happened. They were spot on.
94 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:34:08
95 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:34:13
96 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:34:13
It is the besetting delusion on this site that we are a club just waiting to claim our birthright and not a club which has been on the slide now for a long, long time. But dream on by all means.
Or perhaps you were talking about my concluding prayer. In which case, there is no logic at all.
97 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:35:05
Someone say it isn't so!
98 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:36:02
99 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:36:07
100 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:37:04
101 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:37:08
102 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:37:09
Sacking Silva? Who the fuck of any pedigree would in their right mind come to manage Everton? We've had 5 managers in 4 years FFS! We're going to have to stick with Silva for at least another 2 years.
The club's transfer policy has been a thunderous disaster. Over £300m? Not one has been a raging success so far. Most have talent; however, talent is nothing without application, hard work and character. Things that the current team is lacking in abundance.
Yes, it's Silva's job to motivate and decide tactics; however, if a player doesn't have the character and application, then his job is akin to teaching a national winning racehorse to tap-dance.
I'm afraid we're going to have to suck it up and hope we can sign some players with winning mentality and character, and hope Silva can tactically get the team back together. Remember for the first 3 months of the season we played some good attacking attractive football. We can only hope that returns from next season.
103 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:37:54
I couldn't care less what has been spent. Its a net spend of about £80 million in 4 years and people wonder why we are worse.
Sell one top striker and throw 4 big wages in there without replacing him. Absolute shocking.
104 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:38:44
105 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:38:46
106 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:39:14
Cardiff - Everton 0p (maybe 1p)
Everton - Liverpool 0p
Newcastle - Everton 0p (maybe 1 p)
West Ham - Everton 0p
Everton - Arsenal 0p
Fulham - Everton 1p (this can go either way)
Everton - Man U 0p
Crystal P - Everton 0p (maybe 1p)
Everton - Burnley 3p (we can loose points here)
Spurs - Everton 0p
107 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:39:18
He will now be out of action until the derby.
Any sign of Mina around Finch Farm.
108 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:40:04
Please say it ain't so. Please!
109 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:40:55
110 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:41:02
As soon as he came out with Calvert-Lewin and Lookman being the envy of every Premier League club, I stopped taking him seriously, another spin doctor.
I'm convinced we have been overtaken by with Kopites or a sect in the Illuminati that simply have a sole objective of destroying this club.
111 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:41:53
112 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:41:59
113 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:42:29
This team will not win again unless there is a major change as in the coach being sacked. It is madness sticking with this bloke, he has reverted to form and gone on a run which must be one of the worst in the league.
The players have no belief and even with this match and the pre-match banter can't even muster a result. This league is too hard for us presently.
114 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:42:51
115 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:43:59
116 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:44:45
117 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:44:56
118 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:45:09
119 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:45:36
If neither Jags nor Mina ever regain match fitness, logic suggests Feeney should play the next game. Therefore, with Silva in charge, I guess we will see Walcott at centre-half.
120 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:45:41
That's about as good as it got, second half they came more and more into it, so it was only a matter of when they would score. I expected them to get more than one to be honest, but scant consolation if you could call it that, when it's another three points gone begging really.
I can't see us getting many more points with the games ahead, and we may as well be leaderless, with that clueless charlatan at the helm. I still hope he will resign, but his arrogance tells me he will hold on like those before him and get a Lottery win pay-off.
121 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:46:16
If Moshiri thinks he's made a mistake, he should rectify it, but only when he and Brands think carefully about who they want to/can get next.
Other clubs have gone through a few managers before getting the right one, looks like we're no different.
122 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:46:57
123 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:47:19
124 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:48:14
Brendan Rogers? Really?
125 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:48:30
We needed fresh impetus in January, we needed a short term Kevin Campbell or Brian McBride type signing, someone to score a few goals to get us to safety.
Yes safety, because we ARE definitely in danger now of getting sucked into that relegation mire, looking at the fixtures and our form.
The Cardiff game is simply astronomical and a game we dare not lose.
126 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:48:44
I would love Unsworth to step up but I just don't think he has it in him and I don't think the players did last time around.
127 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:50:19
128 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:50:43
I can't get my head around Marco and his decisions.
Why does he start to play Tosun after he had already binned him ?
Why does he keep going back to Walcot over Lookman ?
Why does he often decide to take our only 2 goalscorers off when we are behind, even though there replacements have let him down time and time again ?
Why doesn't he ever change the game from the sidelines for the better ?
Why are we still zonal marking ?
Yes I am all for giving managers a chance, but Silva looks like he hasn't got the solutions and he's looking to me like a man who doesn't really want to find them.
I'm wondering does he actually want sacking ?
We are a poor outfit, the keeper is a typical English player who is over rated, City fans called him a shit Joe Hart, it's stuck with me all week, are they right ?
We can't find a solution to goal scoring, we done ok with Richalison up top and imo if he had Bernard, Lookman and Siggy behind we would get some goals were as were back to getting none.
No wonder he didn't sell Gana, we would be a lot worse without him.
I'm totally void of ideas how Marco Silva sorts out our many issues, his main plus point for me was his signings were working but even they aren't at it now.
Bernard is in and out every other week, Richalison has had a dip in form, Gomes isn't what he was at the start and Yerri Mina is almost like a myth, only Digne is working out.
Won't be long before he's booted if he doesn't sort out some of our many issues.
129 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:52:50
Why would he not have it in him?
He is doing it good constantly with the youngsters. Give the man a proper chance. He is definitely a better manager than Silva!
I do not believe there is a difference of managing people, rich people, stars or loosers. I believe either you are good at motivating people or not. This I think is one of the strength Unsworth have.
130 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:53:04
131 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:53:40
Surely not, after the Sewer Rat Suarez fiasco!
The referee wasn't that bad at the end of the day!
132 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:54:56
The fact he threw a hissy fit and demanded a transfer to Arsenal on transfer deadline day so weak @$$ Bill bowed to his wishes and let him leave.
133 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:56:06
134 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:57:08
Ultimate nightmare season so far!
135 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:58:24
136 Posted 09/02/2019 at 17:59:56
All in all a terrible game by two poor teams. We created virtually nothing of note although to be fair neither did they. I thought the starting eleven was unbalanced with no natural wide man to go along with the ineffective Richarlison. It showed in the play with us being quite narrow. It's hard to actually pick out players who were worthy of the shirt today. Tom did ok, not great but ok as did Digne and JJK. As to the rest, well far below what we should expect. Just very poor and I expect a serious mauling when we play the RS. I'm not sure where we go at this point. I can't see Silva being sacked before the end of the season but I also don't see how this dreadful run of 10 defeats in the last 16 is going to end. To those who say the effort is there, I'm not so sure. If maximum effort is there then you should be harassing the opposition to make mistakes at the very least but we very rarely do. We are second best to lost headers and picking up second balls, we create next to nothing and still give away stupid goals by switching off, today prime example when you've got a Watford player in the 6 yard area completely unmarked.
I've never known us to be so rudderless. It's a shambles. This is no better than the death throes of Martinez. I find myself saying the same things like no effort, no professionalism, rubbish football that sucks all the life and joy out of you. I'm not concerned about relegation, there are too many other rubbish teams in the division but if something is not done then next season will be a real problem.
137 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:00:48
138 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:01:23
Then who is our best manager prospect I don't know. But it is better to let Unsworth take over now and think about it than it is to let Silva continue.
139 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:01:47
140 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:02:28
Its as if the 90% or so of the games utter dross (before he even came on) didnt happen and we should focus on the young substitute.
The center halves were once again crap. The goalie all over the shop, the midfield pedestrian, the "creative" Icelander contributing nothing, The dazzling Brazilian embarrassing, club, fans and team with his appalling attitude... but fuck all that, lets single out the 21 year old late sub again.
141 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:03:06
Silva is done, the players have decided. his mind funk is all over this team, none of them really have an idea how far apart from each other they should be, who breaks lines and who sits. Every week its the same confused game plan with nothing coming from the sidelines.
We havent had a good 90 minutes since Silva has been in charge including cup games against dross, friendlies against dross and our league games.
Moshiri is ruthless but he will save face with this and use Brands to take a bullet and shift Marco. Moshiri, being an extremely successful businessman should now know that football decisions should be completely out of his and uncle Bills hands from now on. These 2 are equally to blame for our 3 years of underachieving.
142 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:04:17
He (Arteta) didn't throw a hissy fit. We desperately needed money when Arteta was sent down south. I remember that as a sad day, but one that was certainly more agreeable with Everton and Arteta than you're recalling.
I don't see Mikel Arteta as a "traitor" at all and Bill didn't bow to his wishes - Bill was selling Mikel no matter what because he needed the dosh.
144 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:05:13
We are spiralling out of control and close to becoming an Aston Villa.
145 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:05:13
In fact anybody but this tosspot.
146 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:05:55
Panicked and brought Sam in, instead of giving Unsworth a few more games to turn it round.
147 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:06:32
148 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:08:27
149 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:08:32
A refreshing change from the last three years of dross plus the actual results speak for themselves
Remember all you unconvinced ones be careful what you wish for
150 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:08:58
151 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:09:18
152 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:09:52
153 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:10:07
154 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:10:33
People calling for Unsworth to be given the job til the end of the season really make me wonder. In his last stint as caretaker, he got wins against a dreadful Watford and totally abject West Ham. Add to that people keep talking up how great a job he's doing with the u/23s. To what end product? How many of those players are coming through? The jury is still very much hung on Davies, Kenny has had two good games, and the rest either get loaned out or don't make the grade.
155 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:12:16
156 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:13:54
157 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:14:00
158 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:14:13
Why? Because he's from Barcelona !! Que?
159 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:14:35
160 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:14:44
I was just about to ask the same rhetorical question.
Does anybody on TW not think it's time to grab the pitchforks and torches?
Not will he go, as that probably won't happen until summer, but surely he should go?
Is there anyone out there who thinks Marco Silva should not be replaced?
161 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:14:44
After today's debacle how anyone defend his position now. The fans must be heard loud and clear that he is simply not good enough. Yes of course players are failing our club massively and this summer there has to be a serious purge of what I have consistently called the shirkers and the cowards.
Ask yourself this: would any of those so-called players be afraid of Silva in the dressing room? I cannot see our mis-manager instilling fear or respect among any of them.
He has to go and the sooner the better. If it means bringing in a sincere servant of Everton football club in the guise of David Unsworth, so be it. But if we are tied to Silva until this empty, painful season is over then at least let us all band together and see that he gets shown the exit door from Goodison the second the summer break begins.
And even if, miracles never cease, we were to get something against the Kopites in a couple of weeks time I still don't believe it would be enough to save Silva's job. Measured against the entire campaign his performance has been awful.
I never thought I was would say this but he has turned out to be an even worse manager for us than Martinez.
162 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:14:54
From the Echo day after Arteta left:
"Having rejected a £10m bid earlier in the day from the Gunners, Everton were compelled to later accept the offer when Arteta expressed his desire to leave."
163 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:16:03
164 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:16:27
165 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:17:19
166 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:19:01
167 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:19:06
Henry McDonald, to be fair, Walcott came on at 0-0.
168 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:19:17
Maybe I would be more sympathetic to the traitor if he had ever shown up in a big game or allowed anyone else to take the corners that he wasted for six years. He thought he was too good for the club. he achieved nothing. He is a clown and I do not understand why anyone even mentions his name.
169 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:19:35
170 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:19:56
I'd like to see him given until the end of the season despite today. I am not 100% convinced yet that he can't turn it around with a degree of luck and a different approach. Two weeks off now is a godsend for everyone. A time for reflection and focus.
171 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:20:07
172 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:20:39
Anyone who thought Unsworth could wave a magic wand in the limited time he had last season havemore belief than me.
But I certainly think Unsworth would do a better job until the end of the season, than Silva will.
173 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:20:45
I actually think he was one of our best players today.
174 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:23:34
175 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:24:43
As far as feeling sorry, let me cheer you up. ;0)
I just had a look at the form table. Over the last 6 games we are 15th, 2-0-4, with 6 points from 6 games. That's a point a game and 38 point pace for a season.
So the good news is all this talk of us being relegated is unadulterated nonsense! We're playing absolutely shit, but even playing absolutely shit like this would still most likely see us safe!
Because under Marco, that's going to be our new barometer for success - safety.
176 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:25:26
177 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:25:40
That's what you would think, but given the new look of the table and the way we're playing, 48 hours can be a long time in football !! (or is that politics?).
178 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:25:42
179 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:29:14
180 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:29:46
181 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:31:33
The signs were there early on. Signing players like Williams and Bolasie should have been a good indication that things were not going to go well and then appointing Alardyce as manager was the icing on the cake. For nigh on 20+ years we have been badly badly let down and then what happens we are bought by someone who is even worse than Kenwright with absolutely no idea about football. I havent got a clue where we go from here. Everton are the epitome of a very badly run football club.
182 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:33:24
183 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:33:27
184 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:35:23
185 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:35:57
Well done Everton. Genius
Always knew Tosun and DCL were full of enough goals
186 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:35:58
187 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:37:12
It's not working with Silva, if we go back into the market now we'll only be asking for fat Sam again to save us and all his conditions attached (or someone like him).
If we go with Unsworth can he really do a worse job than Silva? I don't think this it is such a sentimental choice, it's also a good business one, he'll take the job with now strings attached.
If we don't stick and decide to twist, I'd go with Unsworth.
188 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:38:51
189 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:40:05
Not good enough, we will finish where we belong, about 15th .
I will bang on about it until we get a striker . We sold A 25 GOAL A SEASON STRIKER AND NOW WE HAVE NOTHING .
Sorry those caps came on by accident, but I'm leaving them . God did it.
Until we have a striker who can provide goals, some respite, put some fear into the opponent and provide a bit of extra motivation for the rest of the team we are going nowhere .
We are too soft, too easy to play against, no threat, our forward line was just bouncing off Watford players all the game .
We have to stick together and get the club over the line for this season. But if Mr Brands though he was getting somewhere in August he needs to press the reset button because this chronic play cannot go on much longer.
190 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:40:19
Talk about being thrown in at the deep end!
Admittedly I think last season was at a more difficult time than now coming in as even though we are totally shit we are more likely to have three worse teams than us. Last season, well thankfully we will never really know 100%
I think Silva will stay until seasons end.
Unfortunately I think almost all, if not all, of after match threads until the end of the season will be similar to this
Next game we should play Virginia in goal, include Kenny and Feeny in defence, Davies and Lookman midfield and DCL up front. Lets get rid of all these overpaid overhyped so called senior pros who are shite
191 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:42:46
192 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:44:41
Hissy fit / ask to leave potato potato. My point is that there is no basis for this drive to bring a one time player as boss who won nothing and has no experience. He is no Everton legend and is not a manager
193 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:44:47
Cardiff, away, lucky draw, 1
Liverpool, home, humiliation, 0
Newcastlecaway, Benitez shows what we r missing, 0
Chelsea, home, they need top four, 0
West Ham away, they r crap, so r we, 1
Arsenal, home, “unlucky” 3-0 defeat, 0
Fulham, away, lucky against already down, 3
Man Utd, Lukaku hat trick, drubbing, 0
Palace, Way, bore draw, 1
Burnley, home, they fight for their lives, 0-1, 0
Spurs, away, slaughtered, obviously, 0
Six points from 11 games. Thats genuinely all I can see based on Silva staying and our shite, over paid gutless joke of a squad combining to get us into a relegation fight. We are nine points ahead of Southampton and I get what you are saying about the nine teams between us and them but from Saints up who is playing worse than we are ? Who looks more disorganised than us ? Who looks to have less fight in them ? Who has the worse manager on this seasons form ?
Ok, we may scrape nine points but something big will have to change to see that happening.
Silva looks every inch as hapless at this point as Koeman, and Martinez. Allardyce, frankly, looked better than either of them and yes his football was grim and his gob worse, but really, how can any of the haters say he and Lee were worse than Silva or Koeman or Martinez ? The results are unimaginably bad. There is not an inch a bloody inch .of progress and really I see that most of the “we are going in the right direction” and “its transition” club have withdrawn to their safe place.
The biggest problem isnt Silva, its the owner who remains a very decent guy with loads of money and not a clue how to run the footballing side of a premier league club. Hes moved Brands into the driving seat too late methinks. But regardless, the decision not to strengthen up front in January may have pleased all our “sensible” supporters but the evidence is crystal clear, it was the wrong call, and even if we do, as remains likely I suppose, escape relegation, the impact of that fight and freefall collapse will do terrible damage to our club in the summer transfer market.
The only progress is winning.
194 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:45:18
If we lose to Cardiff which is by no means impossible and the result against the dark side I don't want to think about, we will well and truly be in the quick sand.
I hope someone at Fawlty Towers has a plan B?
195 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:45:58
196 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:48:51
Todays result is no surprise two ordinary sides level on points with similar stats, Watford had home advantage they were favs.
Is Silva a top manager, hardly I'd say probably average along with most aspects of the club at this time, being manager of Everton has become a poison chalice.
We need another owner with a lot more money and sense to come in and get rid of the old boys network that still hangs over the club. Get rid of three quarters of the playing staff and start again from scratch.
197 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:48:54
John Cleese for manager?
take ex-Barca Manuel on loan ?
198 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:48:54
There are conflicting reports at the moment, but from what I am gathering it was in the Tunnel after the game was effectively over.
So basically I am saying how can that happen, if that is the case?
199 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:48:59
200 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:51:17
Maybe Moshiri and Brands already have someone on standby, given Silva's record it would be foolish not to, but this is Everton and normal rules don't apply.
201 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:52:11
They played to 1-1 and in extra time scored to win in the end 2-1.
They were outplayed. The must have had to defend 20 corners, and they gave away so many silly fouls in dangerous positions it was laughable.
But they fought like warriors. Our high school is a bit of a power house in soccer, and losing is just not acceptable in its own way.
I watched these girls run and defend like their lives depended on it. They just wouldnt allow themselves to lose.
And I sat there thinking if Everton showed half the desire as these high school aged girls did, Id be happy.
Thats just sad.
202 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:52:17
203 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:53:06
Yes mate, spot on!
Have you noticed the other similarity with our beloved club?
I feel sure our manageress's could easily swap roles !
204 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:55:38
205 Posted 09/02/2019 at 18:57:20
206 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:00:33
207 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:08:14
208 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:11:15
209 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:17:46
210 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:18:02
The Cardiff game is 17 days away. That's 17 days for Silva to come up with a new plan and sort out set the set piece issues. We're currently 9 points off the relegation zone and a lot of the teams below us play the weekend before the Cardiff game so we could potentially be even closer going into that game. A loss there and other results going against us could see us in a perilous position and then we go into the derby with everyone below us having already played that weekend so who knows where we'll be. All this is worst case scenario but it's not beyond the realms of possibility seeing as only the bottom 2 clubs are in worse form than us. Everyone below us is slowly catching up with us. The board and Silva will know this. I'm pretty sure he'll be called into Moshiri's office on Monday to explain how he's going to fix everything. I think he'll be given these 17 days to work on it all. Or just sacked.
211 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:29:10
212 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:29:13
At the end of the day we are only the loyal fans who have supported them through good times (for those of us with good memories) and bad, Board Members come and go, as with Managers and players alike, but we can dispute amongst ourselves until we're blue in the face, they will make the decisions as they see fit.
It is infuriating that the ones who care the most, are the ones putting money in and taking nothing out have no say whatsoever.
213 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:29:20
With the sending off more changes at the back have to be made with the Derby looming. It's certain defeats in the next two games.
It's a nightmare and unforgivable for our chairman to put us through this again.
Silva has to go tonight.
Temporary managers: Wenger, Mourinho, Pullis, Unsworth. Anyone to give us a boost, get us organised and over the line.
We have yet another idiot in charge of our once great club and if something isn't done fast to remove him we are done!
214 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:31:57
I dont know what to think anymore. Im like most Evertonians - apathetic, trance like state with no answers left. What right now is Brands thinking? Tonight, is he telling those close to him that Silva has his backing and he believes he is the man? Or, is he telling those same people that Silva is a pile of shite who will be going as soon as he can line up a replacement? Who fuckin knows, and whose to say Brands has got a clue either? Lets be honest, if Brands turns out to be a dud, we are well and truly fucked.
215 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:33:57
Moyes gets grief on here like you wouldn't believe but by God that man could spot a player a mile off and the likes of Koeman, Martinez and this clown now aren't fit enough to fill his shoes.
Worked on a shoestring and still had us fighting like our lives depended on it. Compare that to the money these clowns have squandered and I think you'll see where I'm coming from.
If i'ts true that Mikel is interested in becoming a gaffer I'd have no problem installing him with Cahill alongside. At least the players would know what it means to play for this great club. Go and get him now as far as I'm concerned.
216 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:39:58
The buffoons at the top are dragging us through the mud on an almost daily basis.
Not one of them has a clue.
We hear nothing from them as the club staggers from one embarrassment to another.
Everton has been stolen from us by a faceless, gutless bunch of morons using us as a hobby led by the slimiest clown to ever claim to be an Evertonian.
217 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:44:56
Leeds and Aston Villa and now us if were not very careful.
218 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:47:27
The Motto must have been changed and replaced with, Everton, a plucky little club, with mediocrity as our aim.
The club is run from top to bottom by LOSERS, and sad to say, some posters on here seem to accept, the mediocrity and settle for, " well we are making a better effort", and we broke sweat so must be improving blah blah blah..
Nobody is taking responsibility for this Shambles, all we hear is one lame excuse after another, we hired and bought shite, and some people wonder why we play shite . Amazing...
This Management team has to go, and GO now.
219 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:47:35
Those players haven't suddenly become poor overnight, but are clearly lacking in confidence and leadership, where does that responsibility lie? With the manager of course!
To use an analogy a good Tradesman can still fashion something from a poor set of tools, a bad Tradesman can have the best tools available and still produce a monument of shit!
I suggest that the latter case is Silva to a T! Don't throw away the tools in a fit of pique, but some how replace the poor Tradesman, with someone who knows what they are doing.
220 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:50:27
Those who thought after our cup exit we had nothing to play for this season may yet be proved right. Those who thought we should have kept Allardyce for this season have already been proved right. Defeats at Cardiff and in the derby will see the panic button come into view.
221 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:51:26
222 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:51:34
Kenwright is the worst thing to happen to us in our history.
A complete fool incapable of getting it right but with a knack of making the situation even worse
It's never been the players it's the managers he has picked
Look at Holgate now on loan. Playing well and head and shoulders above any of the central defenders we have.
Barkley far more effective than Sig.
Never mind Lukaku, every striker we have bought since selling Naismith are nowhere near as good as him
You could go on.
It's a joke
223 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:52:36
He has 17 days to drill & prepare the squad before Cardiff.
If given this huge amount of time he cannot beat Cardiff, a team of cloggers, what point is there? This is an unprecedented amount of time to spend with the squad at this point on the season.
If not, what hope given 17days, can he be expected to turn a ream around 3/4 days later?
224 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:54:22
225 Posted 09/02/2019 at 19:58:02
I have ordered a hot towel to clean the egg from my face, after I had confidently predicted an improved points haul in the second half of this season, following the sad defeat to our neighbours in December.
I know nothing. However Everton will always be the only club for me, divorce is not an option. COYB.
226 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:00:05
A manager like Sam Allardyce far superior to Koeman and Silva sums up how ridiculous these a appointments have been
227 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:00:49
I doubt we will be relegated, so why not appoint David Unsworth until the end of the season? Give him a few more games than last time, see how he performs, then take stock.
228 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:01:11
229 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:10:20
230 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:10:51
Silva will not be sacked this season UNLESS we get a hammering from the red shite at our place.
Moshiri has spent too much money to have to start again, but if the above happens he may find he has no choice., and he does like a headline.
For all the doubts a lot of us have / had about Silva, the man is not responsible if players do not take very clear chances, Calvert Lewin should have scored and so should Touson ( doesn't matter if it was offside ) that should have been buried in the net.
You could argue it is all down to confidence for players missing chances like these two today so ultimately that is down to the manager and coaches, but for fuck sake, I would have scored the Touson chance.
Also, Deeney I thought got away with two bad fouls early on and given what he was raving about kicking the shit out of us, the referee was very weak to say the least - he should have been booked long before he was which is Zouma was losing his rag.
There is no belief in the team, the defenders clearly do not trust Pickford and this is part of the problem with set pieces.
231 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:11:39
232 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:11:56
233 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:13:33
It's the same every time as Silva throws on his subs and the team resort to hoofball, but even then our buffoons up top can't get anything on target.
I watched Silva's interview in BBC online and he doesn't make any sense. He went straight down the tunnel and missed Zouma's rant at the ref and only has Zouma's word that he saw one yellow, but not the second. It's an utter shambles. If this is how the coach communicates then it is no wonder that the team look bewildered. He makes Martinez look like Stephen Fry.
I want to see him sacked tonight. Any muppet could do better. He seems unable to get them fired-up, his selections are patchy and he still persists on one up top when both incumbents need help.
I can tolerate mistakes but not the same mistakes every week.
234 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:15:24
235 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:18:25
Vinny good call regarding Stubbs. However I dont think as manager. I think Brands should just tell Silva hes bringing him in, or someone like him, to sort what he patently is incapable of, i.e. the defence
If Silva doesnt like it then he can walk away.
For whatever reason Silvas stubbornness is going to get him sacked. If or when it happens he can blame nobody but himself.
As the, to some, anti-Christ, Allardyce said we have to get some clean sheets and build from that. Right now Silva wants to play like Keegans Newcastle without scoring!
236 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:18:51
With relatively little in the way of personal financial resource, when compared to those running the majority of larger clubs, he managed to steady the ship and took on huge financial risk by remortgaging his house to raise funds to acquire Johnson's shareholding.
Despite the lack of any significant funds available to invest in the team, he was, with Sir Philip Carter and others, able to preserve Premier League football for the supporters with the appointment of David Moyes to succeed Walter Smith as manager. The club could quite easily have gone the way of Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Birmingham City, Sunderland etc without his stewardship.
The position the club finds itself in now cannot sensibly be attributed to Bill Kenwright. He brought in Farhad Moshiri, with his substantial financial clout, wanting only the best for the club. Recent management appointments and signings have proved ill-judged but we are where we are with the present situation.
In view of the poor performance of the present incumbent, it's imperative now that the search for a new manager is commenced, is extremely rigorous and if necessary lengthy. There are many suitable candidates for a caretaker role who are capable of achieving the points necessary to secure Premier League safety.
Time is of the essence and delay over concerns about compensation for contract termination may prove financially disastrous if, by any chance, however seemingly remote, we fall through the trap door into the Championship.
237 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:25:55
This won't make me popular on here.
I do wonder what would have happened if the club had of come to another conclusion about Sam Allardyce.
Along the lines, he's kept us up, we're stable, it's unlikely he'll get us relegated, let's give him a season.
I thought all he really lacked was a forward, his tactics weren't the most adventurous but sound, I think he'd have done better than Silva, given the chance he might of opened up a bit and gone on to the offensive.
Everything I've said is nullified by the fact that these days clubs generally don't put huge bundles on the table to spend unless they think they have the right superstar potential manager. They would never have done this for Sam.
Although they've done it three times now with Bobby brown shoes, Ronnie K and Silva and got it wrong.
238 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:27:54
239 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:28:57
240 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:30:52
Just know youre history before lauding it – a deep cancer at the club, clinging on like some titanic leech. Get rid of him and the rest of the crap, including Silva, and see if we can salvage something out of this train wreck.
241 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:31:31
It really is desperate isn't it?
242 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:32:50
What on earth has gone wrong? What has turned Richarlison into a pathetic shadow, Bernard (who was great in the derby) into an erratic duffer, Gomes into a shell of himself? And so on and so on.
Fear is the answer, we are stuffed with it, it's always there in this club waiting for us whenever we get too excited, like rising damp. Fear of the critical moment. How do you fix that? You need nasty, ruthless winners and we have none. Even with such players, we are a long way off, I know, but the fans would live with that if they saw hardness of mind and toughness of spirit.
I suppose you might say that the people at the top of the club are indeed ruthless winners given the money they have gained from their involvement or expect to gain – Kenwright most disgracefully; the greedy, useless, fraudulent bastard. Their bank accounts are full and our trophy cabinet stays empty.
As for the bulk of the players, they are are a continuing embarrassment; let us not hear from these shameless fuckwits about how much they care. They really, really don't care a jot. That is why I think the fans should back Silva: he shares their desire to win even if he's currently struggling to deliver. Can the same be said of the players or the idiot board who have failed to provide a walking, talking centre-forward for two years?
Fuck them all. The fans are, to borrow a phrase, lions led by donkeys.
243 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:35:16
Neil Warnock – love him or hate him – is a war torn savvy football vet and will know how to set about Everton. They are in a fight for survival whilst we seem to think we are safe. You can guess the rest of the script.
I am dreading 26 February… At least it's not on TV
244 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:39:09
The fellas occupancy has been done to death on here so I think you need to trawl through the various debates. This is my favourite video of him: lying through his teeth..
245 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:39:15
I agree with you. Allardyce also had a decent backroom staff who knew what they were doing. I would have happily settled for mid-table mediocrity this season while the club began the task of unloading the many players surplus to requirements.
I still hope we can end up in a safe mid-table berth but our form over the past two months suggests otherwise. The conversation on the way home from Vicarage Road is about the teams below us and which ones we might beat to save our skins.
246 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:41:42
247 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:44:10
I'd have him back in a heartbeat over Silva. They'd atleast show some fighting spirit.
That team that beat us tonight is a championship team having a lucky run. And it's this that we now have to be to survive, we have to fight like a championship team.
Our dandies, Richarlison and Walcott etc aren't doing for us, it's now a straight fight.
248 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:44:45
249 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:48:33
We have to start worrying about what's below us and forget about what's happening above.
Lose two more and we're well and truly in it.
250 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:48:51
And now we after getting our dream of a billionaire owner to take us to new heights we are a total mess!
How has this happened??
251 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:49:02
Didn't Walcott knock in 19 goals for Arsenal a couple of seasons ago playing as a forward?
He does nothing wide so up front?
252 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:50:40
253 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:54:52
Anything worth a try now.
I'm nervous about the table and our up coming fixtures, I just can't see where the points are coming from.
He can't be any worse than Richarlison.
Another option might be (try not to laugh too much!) Siggy, he's a big lad, he knows where the net is and might make a nuisance of himself?
254 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:58:17
Only a game or so ago, plenty of were posters stating, "at least we won't be relegated", "at least we are safe", etc. My own incredulity began before this guy was even appointed.
It was incredulous, given his record in the Premiership, that he was even considered for the job. It was even more incredulous that he actually got the job.
It was even more and more incredulous (given his relegation with his first club and relegation form with his second) that he was appointed with the possibility of a points deduction in the future.
And now a lot of us have forgotten that possible scenario. I may be wrong (maybe someone could fill us in?) but to date I have heard nothing official from the Premiership, stating that the possible points deduction aspect is closed and will not happen.
Or am I being too 'negative' again?
255 Posted 09/02/2019 at 20:58:39
It's worth trying definitely as there is nothing else.
256 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:02:24
257 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:05:02
258 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:06:47
It was only two games ago I wanted to give him until the end of the season, He's hung onto Zonal marking and is basically playing the same tactics with minor changes.
I just thought (naively) that he would take a step back and think "I have to do something different here.", but he hasn't.
Tom, the players have to take some of the blame also.
259 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:11:02
260 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:11:06
One day and that may well be soon the fanbase of this club might ALL finally wake up and realise we should of treated him like Tricky Dicky Nixon and hounded him the fuck out of OUR club.
Jeez whatever happened to the 'Blue union'
Oh I know they ran headlong into the thick brick wall of the apethetic.
261 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:11:32
I would not be surprised in the least if Cardiff stayed up, they are starting to put a run together, and pulling off some hitherto unexpected wins.
I never liked Allardyce, and made my feelings known on that, but in retrospect, yes we would have been better sticking with him, as he is still effectively being paid until the end of the season, as opposed to this charlatan we have now. Never, ever thought I would say that!
It's easy to be wise in retrospect though isn't it? We have all done it in our lives in one way or another. The difference being that we have control of our own decisions, rightly or wrongly, but we are all united in supporting Everton, in which we have little or no say at all!
262 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:12:16
We need a top class striker, why can't they see the obvious? . We finished 5th when we had one .
season 2013/14 Lukaku 16 goals
season 2014/15 Lukaku 20 goals
season 2015/16 Lukaku 25 goals
season 2016/17 Lukaku 26 goals
It is clear as daylight !, why cant the board see it ?, no more wingers or no 10s ! buy an inspirational striker .
Until that happens, expect more of the same.
263 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:16:37
I'd play Unsworth upfront if I thought his beer belly wouldn't get in the way too much!!
264 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:21:32
In my opinion of course.
265 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:36:05
I find it hard to see much hope for Silvas long-term future as Everton manager, though even now, I hope Im wrong. He seems to have several fatal flaws.
A stubborn blind spot - the set piece saga and his refusal to acknowledge or address it.
A degree of Starstruck-ness - Gylfi, Jordan, Theo, Richarlison, Seamie, Gomes have all held, or been given back their starting places when form hasnt merited it.
Tinkering - since the Derby he hasnt been able to settle on either a formation or a preferred XI for more than a game. (Even allowing for fixture congestion and rotation). Having employed a 4-3-3 against City on Wednesday that acquitted itself well against an outstanding side, I was amazed to see the formation tweaked again today and Dominic dropped.
But of most concern is the apparent inability to get the players playing for him with any consistency. A committed but futile display against City sandwiched between an abject performance against Wolves and a slightly better but insufficient effort today. In fairness, confidence is low and theres a fear of mistakes. It doesnt help either that a lad who has fought like a tiger over the last three games and added a bit of bite is slagged off for misplacing the odd pass. Tom Davies represented exactly what we need and yet gets abused by people who should know better (you know who you are).
Moshiri and Silva need to stew in their own juices until the end of the season. If we rally and Marco turns it around Howard-style, then Hurrah! If it stays like this, then its over to Brands and heres hoping he casts the net wider than his mate Cocou and that hes a better judge of a manager than Moshiri is. Thankfully, only extreme Doom and Gloom merchants can truly see a path to relegation from 33 points when you look objectively not just at us but he teams below.
Finally, all the anti-Kenwright stuff is pretty much irrelevant and historic at this stage, hes not pulling any strings these days.
266 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:37:10
267 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:37:36
If were going to sack Marco, and Ive reluctantly come to the conclusion its not working we need the new manager lined up so he can spend the rest of this worthless season working worth the players, preparing them for his way of playing next season and deciding who he wants to get rid of
By God we need to get the next appointment right though
268 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:38:08
Sharpy is one of my heroes, he wasn't then. DCL is in the team one week, then he's not. That does not help whatsoever. Guarantee him a run in the team, then you will see a Derby winner.
269 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:39:02
I will be castigated on here for saying this, but I can't help wondering where we would be if he had seen out his contract this season. Sure, we would all, in every likelihood be baying at Moshiri's door, but possibly, just possibly, with a little less pressure and the support that Silva started out with he may have got a tune out of these misfits.
It was after all a final chance and a final big opportunity for him.
270 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:39:03
271 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:45:38
Unfortunately I think I think its too late as we have players that we cant offload some out on loan and moshiri wont commit further.
The whole club is a shambles and no longer represents what I have supported for 50 years. Lighting the liver birds blue when THEY are top of the league is pathetic and an embarrassment. Sort it out, Moshiri.
272 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:47:04
274 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:52:05
I was part of the mob that called for his dismissal also, I agree with you entirely.
I'm feeling a pang or two of regret about SA.
275 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:53:29
535 mile round journey to watch absolute crap.
Give Alan Stubbs the same deal as Oli at Man U, and I might change my mind.
At present admitting to bring an Evertonian is embarrassing.
After 55 years supporting the blues I've had enough, and reluctantly will watch from my armchair!!!
276 Posted 09/02/2019 at 21:54:40
We were then told that we haven't seen this significant difference because his players were injured / previously had an injury / hadn't played for months – take one or all excuses.
We were told when all his signings were fit we would see a difference. That hasn't happened, in fact it's probably worse
Then when we still hadn't seen any difference it was because we were in transition and/ or fatigued.
Now we are told it's the players and referees fault.
Maybe all or some of the above is correct but then maybe Silva is just a shit manager.
Whatever it is we fore sure know he is stubborn, he is not for changing anything and he appears to accept no responsibility whatsoever.
The myth that we were playing this great football before the derby is just a myth. Some of the games were appaling. The few we won we couldn't play a full 90 minutes and the one we won convincingly at Burnley could have stretched our delicate nature if the open goal they missed which would have made it 2-3 had it gone in.
A strange appointment making stranger managerial decisions. Rubbish.
277 Posted 09/02/2019 at 22:00:48
You've done your bit for the club and earned your armchair, you shouldn't feel guilt or anguish.
The whole thing has turned into an ironic sick joke.
278 Posted 09/02/2019 at 22:01:31
Will Hughes from Derby? I'm sure he was signed for Watford, by Marco Silva?
I'd sooner we got rid of most of the players, than the manager, because the only players worth their salt at Everton are a few of the kids and the ones who joined us last summer.
279 Posted 09/02/2019 at 22:04:17
It shows we care; now for the club to face reality, and get a grip, before this season ends in total failure.
280 Posted 09/02/2019 at 22:05:46
This mess will not improve until we change the manager.
281 Posted 09/02/2019 at 22:08:59
Do you applaud him for announcing to anyone who asked in his 20 years in control (sort of - BVI aside of course) that all he ever wanted to do was find someone with the wealth and heart to cherish Everton as he swears he does.
Did you applaud when one after another potential buyers left scorch marks on the club tarmac a day or so after they began a week's due diligence into the club books?
Did you applaud when he refused to hold AGMs at all, or explain the bizarre accounts he had presented when deigned to have one? Some might say he had a lot to hide.
And then he met Moshiri, a billionaire with so-called football savvy courtesy of always having been outside Arsenal's boardroom whilst those in there took all the decisions. I think we all now have to realise that Moshiri knows as much about football as I do about top-end accountancy. Zilch, if you're wondering, but to Kenwright he was everything he'd dreamt about for the whole of his tenure. Manna from heaven, for Bill and all his ex-player cronies "coaching" at Finch Farm.
Moving on, perhaps naively given the way Moshiri went about trying to sign Silva, I assumed he'd been in close liaison with Brands, even though he was at PSV at the time, on just who would be the DoF's choice of manager as he plotted the next three years of his wholly unsuccessful first three years?
It now seems from what's suggested on here that Moshiri once again took the lead without reference to the guy he was going to make responsible for every aspect of the football in the club. If so, Moshiri is bizarre, and scarily so.
282 Posted 09/02/2019 at 22:09:13
Is there a bigger laughing stock Club in the League?
283 Posted 09/02/2019 at 22:10:04
This undid his attempt to counteract the overrunning of midfield that has blighted numerous Everton performances since Xmas. To top it all, he undid his midfield with the substitution, Walcott the touchless.
284 Posted 09/02/2019 at 22:17:35
There is only Zouma, Keane, Digne, Kenny and Davies who can compete in a battle. Everyone else is either physically or mentally weak even Gueye who never stops is too small and slight to be the be the lynchpin.
The most important player for us to sign this summer is Zouma he is a beast and twice the defender Mina is.
Then it has to be Doucoure or a strong centre mid of his ilk and then obviously a physically strong centre forward who can hold the ball up and lead the line aswel as take a chance.
Get the spine and shape right and we might have half a chance.
285 Posted 09/02/2019 at 22:29:20
Rob @258, yes of course the players are to blame as well. But, I have read some posters on here stating that 'the game has changed' since the great 'man-managers', Clough, Shankly, Ferguson, Kendall et al. Words like, 'How do you motivate a bunch of pampered superstars?'
I would argue that in this day and age, simply because money and material needs are more than taken care of, that there is more need for a man-manager like Cloughie etc, as opposed to a great 'tactician'.
In my opinion, 'tacticians' are greatly overrated. Football is a simple game. There is too much emphasis on 'philosophies' and 'tactics'. A great man-manager will override the lot.
For example, Bielsa is hailed by some as the Messiah who others have followed. So, where is he now and what has he won compared to Kendall et al? Today, some people want to reinvent the wheel in every aspect of society and the simple game of football is no exception.
Getting back to the subject of players though. Once again, a lot of people on here have invested a lot of faith in Brands and his ability to find players for us and seem certain that he is a massive improvement on Steve Walsh and therefore will not spunk ridiculous money as Walsh (is reputed) to have done on the likes of Sigurdsson.
The first signing under Brands was Richarlison for a similar fee to Sigurdsson. To my mind, that was just as ridiculous as the Sigurdsson fiasco.
I also hear and see people espousing that we have 'good players', 'someone should be able to get a tune out of them' etc. Of course, any appraisement of a player is subjective but I don't agree that in the main, we do have good players.
Of course, some would argue that 'on paper' our squad is good but, as some wise person once said, 'We don't play on paper, we play on grass'.
Make of it what you will, but to me, the ingredients of shite manager, shite boardroom, shite player recruitment, shite players (in the main) and a fanbase that 'appears' to be getting used to mediocrity (or has never known nothing else), is a sure recipe for disaster.
Incidentally, where are the people who used to 'call me out' on such 'negativity'? Your silence, speaks volumes!
286 Posted 09/02/2019 at 22:33:07
There is no time to waste, Kenwright!
287 Posted 09/02/2019 at 22:34:09
We were not in a financial mess when Kenwright took over and He did not remortgage his house.
He inherited a net asset position which within two years he turned into a net liability of £30 million.
Unexplained operating costs jumped from £1 million a year to over £20 million a year. We had to sell Rooney to stabe off the banks who had no confidence in him.
So much for sorting our finances out eh!!!
Even Paul Gregg – who was prepared to underwrite Kings Dock and had been a close friend – asked him to stand down as chairman but he then came up with bullshit to discredit Paul Gregg and convince people he had investors and their cheque would be in the bank in the morning. We are still waiting....
If you're not Bill Kenwright in disguise, please don't discredit yourself by assuming these total lies have some basis. They don't.
288 Posted 09/02/2019 at 22:37:55
Biggest disaster to hit Everton is Kenwright.
Incompetent and incapable of doing the right thing.
289 Posted 09/02/2019 at 22:48:15
290 Posted 09/02/2019 at 23:01:53
291 Posted 09/02/2019 at 23:04:22
We have made zero progress, gone backwards in fact, and incredibly are getting worse. We always think we are too big to go down. We aren't. It's not stupid to suggest there's a chance we won't win another game. I can only see us winning one, maybe two. Hope I'm wrong but I think we will be desperately fighting for draws.
Time for Dogs of War? Not in Silva's nature is it? I'd drop and not play three or four players right now. I'd take a daft chance with involving Fraser Hornby. I'd lob McCarthy in alongside Gana.
As I enter the text above, I think, this is just what Allardyce would do. Win the ball, defend with two in front of a five. Long balls. Dull? Maybe but I cannot see how this is worse than what we have now. Sigh.
292 Posted 09/02/2019 at 23:20:24
To quote Michael Dunford a while later, the club spent money which the club did not have, thus placing the club in debt. That was why Duncan Ferguson was sold to Newcastle for £8m behind the manager's back while we were playing them at Goodison Park. The money was used to pay off some of the debt incurred at the start of the season. Two days later, Johnson resigned.
At the end of that season, we were forced to sell Dacourt and Materazzi for just short of £10m. We were also unable to meet the contract demands of a number of players such as Jeffers, Barmby and Ball.
293 Posted 09/02/2019 at 23:24:38
When you see what games we have left, we cannot afford to mess around anymore. A new manager needs bringing in now to grind out two wins and some draws.
And we need battlers on the pitch, not hiders.
294 Posted 09/02/2019 at 23:31:14
I am, however, someone who believes totally in the British sense of fairness and being able to put forward a defence of someone who I believe is arguably being subjected to unfair criticism.
I used the word "arguably" in my initial post @236 and again in this post, a word which is used to qualify my statement of opinion, ie, that I fully appreciate that there may be other contributors who disagree with my views and, of course, I understand that they are able to express a contrary opinion .
In my post, I think it is perfectly clear that I believe the current manager is not up to the job and that there should be a rigorous selection process for a new manager, with the objective of appointing someone who can take the club forward.
295 Posted 09/02/2019 at 23:37:20
John 292. Michael Ball was sold by Walter Smith for not toeing the line. Kenwright got the club second time around because he lost out first time to Peter Johnson. The Moores family would not sell to Kenwright in 1994. I often wonder why?
296 Posted 09/02/2019 at 23:37:53
297 Posted 09/02/2019 at 23:38:28
298 Posted 09/02/2019 at 23:52:14
Keeping Silva at the helm whilst we descend the league is going to require serious brinkmanship. We could go down.
It's popular to bag the players, but for me, this is all on the manager. We don't need a mass clear out, we just need someone who knows what they're doing. Can we get Solskjaer in?
299 Posted 09/02/2019 at 23:56:41
A big show of almost begging banners!
300 Posted 09/02/2019 at 00:04:40
Most teams below us have a game in hand. We are 9 points from 3rd from bottom, I can't see another win this season.
I am afraid Blues... very afraid!
301 Posted 10/02/2019 at 01:20:22
302 Posted 10/02/2019 at 01:32:29
My missus asked me what do they do at half-time. I said today they had a cup of Horlicks, Marco read them a bedtime story and they took a nap. That was plan B. Plan A is to meditate and do yoga.
303 Posted 10/02/2019 at 01:33:39
The brilliant Alan Myers is calling this right on Twitter. The owner and or Mr Brands really need to get an urgent grip of what's going on. They need to speak to the fans direct and not thru Jim bloody White on Sky. They need to show that they see the seriousness of our situation and the danger of freefall into a relegation fight.
Behind the scenes you have to pray that Brands is stepping in to council Silva if he's not sacking him. Someone, somewhere, has to persuade the manager to drop his disastrous zonal defending, and take out at least three or four from that squad and take a couple of measured risks with promoting Hornby and playing Lookman and giving it a go, with Jagielka making a return to try and steady that back line?
304 Posted 10/02/2019 at 02:05:38
Judging by the lack of appreciation of the English Language in regard to syntax, grammar, spelling et cetera, I have a mental picture (nee, a vision) of all the Blues fans who are first in with the boot. They will be struggling to grab their iPhones and stab the keyboard as fast as possible in a manner, metaphorically, a knife & fork in hand ready for the cannibalism that ensues. Some with a dessert spoon as well.
Quite a while ago (I think it was in the Kooeman era) I read a recommendation in a TW comment on a game. The author recommended the following comedy starring Michael Palin:--
"Ripping Yarns Series 2 Episode 2 Golden Gordon"
I pass on this same information in the hope that, certainly all you 'early ' contributors every week, will take it in the manner it is meant.
ps: Please leave your cutlery at home.
pps: Many thanks to those rational TW contributors, normally further down the comments list, who have given some consideration to what they write.
305 Posted 10/02/2019 at 02:06:23
306 Posted 10/02/2019 at 03:02:42
The way the game is going now, in 20 years time the coach will have a degree in sports psychology and the tactics will come from the players.
Basically (the coach) a stunningly beautiful bird will whisper nice things into their ears with sensual voice to pep up their egos.
The players, then pumped up, will decide who plays and how to play, because they're so powerful and now have all the authority of the old type coach.
We'll either have 11 players running around with hard-ons trying to win the game or they'll have a bad hair day and need consoling by their psychologist. Also a quick look at their bank accounts online should cheer them up and get them ready for the big Saturday night out.
307 Posted 10/02/2019 at 05:35:29
As for a successful, experienced manager, nobody of that ilk would consider taking the job at this stage of the season. Could you imagine say Bielsa leaving Leeds when he has done most of the groundwork and looks to be promoted anyway or even my choice, Simeone, walking out on Athletico Madrid now? Ringing agents to sound out if their clients may be interested in next season is something that should be done.
Whoever, we will get the same sort of comments that he needs time, 27 transfer windows to assemble "his" team, where's the striker we need, and look at the rubbish he's been left by his half-dozen predecessors. Also, any new manager/coach seems to want £300 or £400 million for transfers and somehow I don't think we are likely to raise that amount from transfers.
So, where do we go. How about forming an unruly queue down at the Liver Buildings?
308 Posted 10/02/2019 at 06:22:01
Peter Johnson had underwritten the clubs overdraft facility and was no longer willing to do it because he wanted out following threats from so-called supporters.
All he wanted was his £20M back and so the deal was done with Kenwright, who did not have any money in the first place and quickly turned the club into a net liability position, resulting in Rooney's sale while putting the story out that the club was in a financial mess and he had to rescue by remortgaging his London flat — which was only worth £1 million then and was never remortgaged.
He does not get the name of "Billy Liar" for nothing.
309 Posted 10/02/2019 at 06:32:53
Can't be definite that Arteta would leave Man City at this time but it's definitely worth a try. He always came across as being intelligent and articulate when interviewed and I'm sure he has learned a lot from working under Pep.
Like the last time when we brought in Allardyce, going back to Unsworth would be another mistake. One thing's for sure, Silva being so clueless needs replacing as soon as possible.
310 Posted 10/02/2019 at 06:43:51
However, the question remains, would any successful "name" manager/coach step up at this time of the season or wait until it ends?
311 Posted 10/02/2019 at 06:50:54
I would not advocate Stubbs as manager but for sure he'd be a good shout to help out as defensive coach.
As regards to failing at Hibernian, we'll you couldn't be further than the truth.
312 Posted 10/02/2019 at 08:32:39
313 Posted 10/02/2019 at 08:47:10
How have we ever sank so low? No doubt another shed load will go on getting rid of this total fraud and appointing someone else, whether it be permanent or temporary.
We are a joke in Football!
314 Posted 10/02/2019 at 09:29:18
Coleman, Zouma, Keane, Digne
Lookman, Sigurdsson, Bernard, Richarlison
Get the first and second goal, then start playing tactical...
315 Posted 10/02/2019 at 09:32:21
316 Posted 10/02/2019 at 09:59:32
Not sure about a "splendid attack force" though.
318 Posted 10/02/2019 at 10:17:32
I always say it – they can perform absolutely diabolically and still go home and pick up their £90k a week pay cheque! Scandalous!
On the same matter – how can anyone on this earth (ie Sanchez) earn in one week what an average guy earns in 10 years? There are no words for it.
319 Posted 10/02/2019 at 10:20:20
320 Posted 10/02/2019 at 10:22:01
We're looking to Brands... isn't he another Moshiri man?
321 Posted 10/02/2019 at 10:25:50
Thing is – why would he leave Leeds to come here?!? (Apart from money...)
322 Posted 10/02/2019 at 11:17:54
"Gueye was immense"???
Oh my God! What game was you watching??? He was okay – nothing more... In fact, it was a complete shit show from a team and manager that's sucking the life out of me. Gueye might be okay at breaking up play etc, but his passing is atrocious and he (and he's not alone here) offers nothing offensively.
"Immense"?? — no, sorry; get real.
323 Posted 10/02/2019 at 11:52:19
I'm no sports psychologist but it looks like he has detached himself from the players. If so, there's only one outcome.
324 Posted 10/02/2019 at 12:31:55
You do the maths!!!
325 Posted 10/02/2019 at 12:59:46
326 Posted 10/02/2019 at 13:52:13
Have any of you actually seen his managerial record? Couldn't get Hibs out of Scottish Champo – fair enough: won the cup – and then been sacked by Rotherham.
Yeah, he should be given a Premier League job. Far out.
327 Posted 10/02/2019 at 14:02:42
328 Posted 10/02/2019 at 14:05:01
329 Posted 10/02/2019 at 14:07:13
330 Posted 10/02/2019 at 14:10:28
331 Posted 10/02/2019 at 15:20:56
We need real expertise at Everton, not people's votes.
332 Posted 10/02/2019 at 16:18:07
Mike Bassett couldn't do any worse than clueless Silva. It just proves how desperate we are. He has no more to offer!
333 Posted 10/02/2019 at 16:45:43
334 Posted 10/02/2019 at 17:00:59
335 Posted 10/02/2019 at 17:11:45
I don't know about Everton having offices in the Liver Building surely the only place Everton should have premises is in Hope Street.
336 Posted 10/02/2019 at 17:34:37
337 Posted 10/02/2019 at 19:35:57
338 Posted 10/02/2019 at 20:04:38
Over 330 posts on this thread, yet one man still Conspicuous by his absence.
You know who you are...
We are waiting to hear what utter drivel you have to say with regard to Silva's defence...
339 Posted 10/02/2019 at 21:38:38
Moshiri has spent enough, £300m on players £300m on takeover, debt and equity and with another £100m to come on the ground. There is no way at all he's going to waste another £20m on redundancies and another £150m to get a new manager a new set of toys to play with. He'd rather sell than put up with another failed manager.
We go the Spurs way, Brands to find the "gems" for peanuts and the gems to be happy with a meagre £50k a week instead of £100k+ a week to Walcott, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Tosun et al.
You either buy success, as Chelsea and Man City have done with mega mega billionaires: £1500M each input and hired top top class done-it-all coaches; or take a Silva, Pochettino and let them develop a team.
Pochettino's luck was that he inherited a few better players and had a certain Mr Kane coming through. We don't !! Step in, Brands.
340 Posted 10/02/2019 at 22:57:26
Please explain your comparison with Stubbs and Solskjaer, because Solskjaer did very little before his current revolution at Man Utd.
Cardiff sacked him but that didn't stop United hiring him on a temporary basis.
So why not give Stubbs the reigns on a temporary basis!!!
341 Posted 10/02/2019 at 23:54:19
I completely get your point about the financial predicament facing Moshiri but there is one major flaw with your suggestion: Silva. He has proven beyond all doubt that he isn't capable of managing at this level.
To leave him in place would be the final nail in the coffin of a historic & proud club. Who in their right mind would give Silva the reins for the next 3 years to “build” a team? I wouldn't trust him to build with LEGO!!
342 Posted 11/02/2019 at 00:40:43
In Gomes I've never seen a player look so good then look so off the pace in the space of a few games.
Granted it's hard for any manager to win games without a proven goalscorer, we started the season with probably the worse striker's in the league and we are still no better off.
But it's the woeful set-piece record and the persistent use of the 4-2-3-1 formation when it's not working and the total lack of attacking cohesion throughout the team which is the most worrying.
How can you play together for nearly eight months and not develop a better understanding with each other?
I'd bet you my whole life savings that, if we had a genuine top coach such as Pochettino, he would get a lot more out of this squad than Silva is doing.
343 Posted 11/02/2019 at 09:40:30
We will be very lucky to struggle to 40 points this season – just let that sink in for a minute, struggling to get to 40 points?!! That is the worst it has been for a very long time and in any another season would probably see us relegated.
We cannot risk this happening next season when we might not be so lucky to get away with such a low points haul. Get rid of Silva now and get in someone who puts winning games and amassing points ahead of a pre-defined 'philosophy'.
344 Posted 11/02/2019 at 10:02:28
If Kenwright does not come out with a players' representative and condemns one of the worst, if not the worst, runs of results and performances in the entire history of the club then it must mean he condones them and we can expect it to continue and confirms that this parasite must be driven from our club before he can inflict even more damage.
It's his job and his responsibility. The silence is still deafening.
345 Posted 11/02/2019 at 12:41:00
346 Posted 11/02/2019 at 12:47:30
347 Posted 11/02/2019 at 13:11:08
However, you asked for a comparison, so here it is. Solskjaer was a winner as a player. Stubbs wasn't. Not always a factor in becoming a manager, but doesn't hurt. It also helps that Solskjaer has a vastly superior set of players at his disposal at Man Utd, and they've really had a fairly gentle run of fixtures in his tenure thus far.
Like I've repeated, I am not defending Silva as I don't think he is right for the job, but some of these names being thrown around are exactly what we don't need. If you think someone like Stubbs is fit to manage a club like Everton out of this mess, by all means, keep thinking that. For me, it is that exact mindset that has gotten the club to where it is right now.
348 Posted 11/02/2019 at 14:01:09
The truth is we have a team that can't produce enough chances and if there are any no one in form to put them away.
On top of that we have defenders who seem reluctant to get off the ground and head the ball, so who's to blame there, the players or the manager.
The situation we find ourselves in is not something new, excluding Allardyce, the last two managers experienced the same problems, after a decent start the players could not produce the standard of football that would get us up into a challenging position in the Premier League.
349 Posted 11/02/2019 at 17:47:01
What is this mysterious machine that renders all dissenters into silence and keeps any criticism from fans out of the media?
Even local papers and radio carry on as if this is normal, unlike in the past.
And I thought Men in Black was fiction. Where's me shades?
350 Posted 11/02/2019 at 22:40:16
My point was their comparison as managers, not players.
351 Posted 11/02/2019 at 23:13:29
Everton's set up is the diagonal ball to wings or wing-backs, deep crosses and a knock-downs, that's the way they play. Calvert-Lewin would chest it down and pivot left... it's predictable. That's what he does and he is effective.
Sigurdsson, Bernard and Richarlison are the ones to pick up and do creative stuff but the opponents know that and force them out of position. They need to play together but we need somebody like Giroud to come in a cameo role and mess up data analytics free up the creative players. Calvert-Lewin may be able to do that soon.
352 Posted 12/02/2019 at 01:01:49
Whomever takes over Everton should Silva be sacked has a decent 10 (there's a quality player in there somewhere), fairly good left-back, and a crafty Brazilian who may just be a bit too small for this league. The rest of the squad is either too ripe, too old, or just plain ordinary.
My main point is, Stubbs hasn't really done anything to suggest he's Premier League material, and in our position, we really can't risk another donkey.
354 Posted 12/02/2019 at 09:15:07
I have a sneaky feeling that neither of us will know, and Silva will survive the sword of Damaclese!
We can only wait and see. Again!!
356 Posted 12/02/2019 at 11:16:43
Indeed, this whole crap about so-called football philosophy is similar to the School of Science stuff.
It's a simple game and I would think that haf of the contributors on here would have got this group to do at least as well as Silva. These are talented players, many are internationals. They just need to work as a team to a plan that they understand.
The rest is about creating a happy but hardworking environment in which they can express themselves. We are lacking the happiness, the understanding and any plan is wrong.
So Silva has consistently made a dog's dinner of his task. And to those deluded enough to think he shouldn't be judged because many of these players aren't his. Imagine if this clown brought in more of his picks! It could be even worse.
357 Posted 12/02/2019 at 12:44:05
There is absolutely no excuse for how bad we are. It is inexcusable for our manager to be so inept.
We do have plenty of good players at the club and he had to shape them into a decent hard-working team that maybe couldn't get into the top 5 or 6 but certainly not flirt with another relegation worry. It's beyond belief how he doesn't know how to get the basics right.
358 Posted 12/02/2019 at 13:22:24
It was Bill Shankly who said that Football was a simple game, complicated by idiots. He said that in the 60s or the 70s. Not now.
Think about the game. It's a much more complicated sport than most out there. The reason for this is what you are allowed to do. It's got few passing restrictions, unlike rugby, it's got few movement restrictions unlike basketball, it's fast paced unlike the gridiron game of the same name.
The complications come because unlike most sports, there is so many different ways to manipulate the ball. Then the opponent can organise their defence in so many more different ways.
In the 70s, when everyone played 4-4-2 on these shores, it was straight forward. Times have changed... and then some. Managers like Guardiola can change formation 5 or 6 times during the course of just one game. The finest tactical performance I've seen by an Everton manager was Koeman when we beat Man City 4-0. Guardiola held his hand up in a very enlightening press conference as he talked about how his old room-mate was one step ahead in the tactical battle as they both kept changing formations.
Guardiola came to Goodison recently, and I was enthralled at his tactics. He was frequently loading up 3 players on each flank at the same time. The wide forward, the full back and a central midfielder. There was no one in the middle. The guy sat next to me was doing his nut in. For him it was simple, Kenny in particular needed to get wider and "mark his man". City were doing what they were doing to pull our shape apart.
Teams mark up against City in a narrow and compact shape, like we did, with the defence a width of a penalty area apart. If you hold shape, then City cannot get through you. If they then overload the flanks like they do, then they have no one in the middle and are trying to get the ball into congested areas.
In football, there is always space. The modern game is all about Space. You read the latest coaching manuals and you just see page after page about space. The modern buzz word is the "half-space". I prefer the old term, "the channel". Coaches are all about trying to put space between the full back and the centre back to get their wide forwards into this channel or "half-space". Guardiola wrote the book on it.
I really could go on and on and on about this. Football is a very, very complicated game due to tactics and formations and how coaches try to find space, and their opponents try to shut down space and plug gaps.
The biggest failing of Marco Silva, after zonal marking, is that his football is far too expansive, and he is allowing his players to leave massive gaps. That said, I think against Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City, we plugged those gaps and stopped the opponents finding space in dangerous areas.
Football is not a simple game in 2019.
359 Posted 12/02/2019 at 13:39:00
Firstly I really enjoy reading your posts, I'm not a soccer player never was but have always enjoyed and have always followed Everton even though my family here in Ireland are all RS. My sons are definitely leaning to the RS.
I have played a lot of sports, mainly Gaelic Football, rugby and basketball and I can safely say that in any of those sports a coach would be expected to sort this mess out. I was really excited about Silva coming and a lot of that due to reading your fantastic posts about him and I was firmly believing we would be challenging for 6th after the first few months of the season. We don't have the best players but, to me, he should have been able to get this defense and shape sorted by now.
Not all on Silva though, the players are soft, very soft. When I was playing on any of the teams I played on Troy Deeney would have been gone off injured by the 20 minute mark. If it was in a Gaelic match I would have timed it when he caught a ball and landed with it I would've just obliterated him after the comments he made, our lot were afraid of their lives of him. Soft, we badly need an enforcer.
360 Posted 12/02/2019 at 13:43:05
The present younger generation has been bred on a lot of this ''keep ball'' sideways and backwards passing scenario and of course avoiding defeat with the ''park the bus'' attitude.
It's what's brainwashed into the players nowadays and the are frightened to run with the ball from deep or even pass the ball forward unless it is less than 3 yards.
I saw so many times in many games I watched over the weekend players who received the ball running in a forward position and an opportunity to pressure the opposing defence but inexplicably check, go back or pass back and the ball ends up with their own defender in their own box or they turn it over.
Negativity is the order no matter what, but heaven forbid trying to create more scoring opportunities.
Way back we used to criticize the Italian teams who introduced this type of play but was successful for a few of them.
Today only teams with outstanding offensive players such as Man City and Liverpool can have the much success against this type of formation.
Everton, of course, are way behind in that aspect.
361 Posted 12/02/2019 at 13:54:52
Silva needs a shift in his mentality. For me, he's been too reckless at times. He is too attacking, he's trying to win every game. He's always pushing for the next goal.
That's great when things are going well, but they aren't. If Moyes was in charge, and this run happened to him, he would go to Cardiff and bank a 0-0 draw. Silva will do what he did against Watford and go all out for the win. If we don't get the goal early, the players get desperate and bigger and bigger gaps appear. Such tactics will play into Warnock's hands.
Silva knows how to play a defensive game. He did it well against Chelsea, and was so close against Liverpool, and it was working against Man City only for that ridiculous free-kick leading to yet another set piece goal.
Silva needs to adopt the mentality that his players are not better than the opposition. They are inferior. They are also not clever enough to carry out his tactics. Silva usually has 3 or 4 formations he switches between (4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-1-3-2 and 3-4-3), yet he said that he could only get the 4-2-3-1 bedded in during pre-season. Presumably due to the abject failings of the side in pre-season, long since forgotten, but some might say the writing was on the wall then.
If Silva adopted the mentality that he needs to be like he was for Estoril and play counter-attacking football, I think things would turn around fast. I have no idea why that hasn't happened.
He has 2½ weeks until the next game, plenty of time to get a change of formation into play. He could also sort out a change to man-marking at set pieces.
There is something very wrong in the dressing room, and a trip away, with the players locked together for two weeks would be perfect. There might be scraps, fallings out, or whatever. But people can say what needs to be said. They can get all the problems out in the open and then they can address it.
Finally, I still think Silva can crack the top six. He needs at least two players to do so. I'm not going to go all "Football Manager" and give you those names, but he needs a Fernandinho type to plug the midfield and provide a defensive shield (that does not move) as well as setting the tempo for the attacks by shifting the ball quickly in transition.
Secondly we need a striker. We need a mobile striker who can score goals. So a Karim Benzema type. Of course, we could never sign those players in a month of Sundays, but Brands's job is to spot players with those qualities and bring them in.
If they can do so, it's a different side for me, and with better luck, and a resolution to our set piece woes, then the "project" is not dead. Which is why Moshiri is trying to secure Silva's position and Brands is no doubt putting transfers into play, as he is used to concluding them before the window actually opens.
362 Posted 12/02/2019 at 13:57:05
363 Posted 12/02/2019 at 15:05:02
"Silva's always pushing for the next goal"... hahahaha hahahaha...
That's a good one. We've scored 3 in our last 5 league games! Rose-tinted glasses evaluation if ever I heard one.
Made my Day that, I'll still be laughing 2 weeks today when we draw another blank against Cardiff.
364 Posted 12/02/2019 at 15:08:30
Yes, I think far too much is made of what style of play a manager likes or what his philosophy is in terms of setting a team up. That is why we ended up with the current manager -–so many fans and the board were seduced by his 'attacking' football philosophy, despite clear evidence from his previous clubs that it didn't really work that well.
As you say, just give us a team that plays together and fights for each other to a plan that works. Who cares about possession stats and how many metres someone ran in the 1st half???
I cannot believe people are saying this season should be a free pass for Silva or to give him more time. The evidence is there for all to see – he is not good enough and we will continue to lose with him in charge. This has been the case for the majority of the season, it is not simply a two-week blip!!
365 Posted 12/02/2019 at 16:42:02
This necessity to adopt a more compact combative and defensive set-up has been evident for some time. Silva is following a far too reckless approach to matches.
A far too expansive set up that leaves us unable to get a grip on a game or win battles. Not many, me included, want Moyes back. But he certainly knew how to set his team up away from home.
He knew how to take the sting out the opposition so the initial confidence in the team turns to fear as the game wears on. He knew Cahill or one of the others could pop up and score a goal from nothing and we could take home 3 points.
As you say, we have not got the players to play the same game as De Brunye & Sane or Mane & Salah. But Marco Silva is still playing the same way with the same players and getting the same result. We are not a class apart from any of our bottom 14 opponents, yet we set up like we are Man City. It is delusional.
He needs to rethink his tactics quick; the Chelsea and Liverpool games are excellent reference. Put in that type of performance against any team and we have one or two players who can grab a goal.
It really is the only way forward for Marco.
366 Posted 12/02/2019 at 21:07:46
I agree completely with your comments, unless making comments is very different now and way to complex for us mere mortal supporters to digest...
Maybe it's just me and about 95% of posters on here, that see football for what it is, 11 v 11 kicking a ball about with the intention of kicking it into a thing called a net
Since when has Nuclear Physics been introduced into tactics.
For those of you who see Silva and his Nuclear Physics as the way forward, may I suggest a visit to Specsavers, Followed by a very large portion of Humble Pie...
But, then again, like the manager, some posters just cannot accept when they are wrong, and are unwilling to change tack...
Silva has to go and go now!
367 Posted 12/02/2019 at 21:15:24
368 Posted 13/02/2019 at 01:44:22
Losing Zouma is going to hurt. They need to play together and the war room need to make tactical changes to play to their strengths.
369 Posted 13/02/2019 at 01:55:43
I haven't yet lost faith in Silva. I can see some of the points you make as valid. A good turnaround of players in the summer, in and out, and I think we will see a big improvement.
We need to keep calm and let the project develop. If it's still not working by the January window, we will then need to address it.
370 Posted 13/02/2019 at 03:25:45
Remember Brazil in those 'Golden days were "the best defense is a good attack", I think Carlos Riviera said that.
Everton has a world-class midfield, we have players that can introduce the creative spark, the midfield is possibly like Ball, Harvey and Kendall days.
They break up play, the hold the ball. They play the short passes drawing in the defense but they are not releasing Walcott or Lookman like Salah (roving). I really think more time playing together would bring creativity.
371 Posted 13/02/2019 at 03:51:10
I think Theo should be his outlet... just like Liverpool, and forget about starting from the back. Develop channels and build these channels. Right now, the only channels are the wing-backs... you cannot win like that in modern soccer. The pace would slice you up.
Link-up play should be Davies, Gana, Gomes and McCarthy. James and Lookman fall back into dangerous gaps in zonal and pick-up
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