Defensive concerns grow as Everton are thumped by Rennes

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Stade Rennais 4 - 1 Everton

Marco Silva named something close to his strongest side for this friendly in Northern France against Stade Rennais but saw his team's frailties at the back exposed in a 4-1 defeat.

Following a 3-0 defeat at Blackburn this week, a game that began with a mostly second-string line-up and which was played after a full training session earlier in the day, attention turned to the tiny Stade Municipal in Vitré, 30 km east of Rennes with a capacity of 3,200, where it was hoped that a more optimistic outlook could be gleaned from what has been a poor pre-season thus far.

Like the full friendlies before it, the game raised far more questions than answers, however, although Richarlison added a much-needed boost of artistry, quality, and desire, scoring his first goal in Everton colours and generally looking the best player in Blue on the day.

Theo Walcott, Ademola Lookman, Yannick Bolasie, Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Cuco Martina were still out injured and did not travel to France — Walcott and Lookman are expected to be back training with the squad next week — and there was no Mason Holgate on the team sheet.

Phil Jagielka was partnered with Michael Keane, with Leighton Baines and Seamus Coleman as fullbacks, with the defensive midfield duo of Morgan Schneiderlin and Idrissa Gueye in front of them. Maarten Stekelenburg continued in goal with Jordan Pickford still on holiday.

Generally, there was some better passing in the midfield from Silva's charges, Coleman and Richarilson were big plus points but, on the whole, the attack looked blunt and the defence disconcertingly slow and vulnerable on the counter-attack.

There was a bit of kick-and-rush about the early movement until first Rennes, then Everton, had good moves down their respective left-hand sides.

The Blues were trying to retain possession, pass and move, play it on the ground; and when they didn't, they would lose possession as the Rennes marking was pretty tight throughout.

A good cross from Rennes was powered at Stekelenburg by Benjamin André, forcing a good stop at the near post by the Everton keeper.

Sigurdsson swung in a free-kick after a foul on Richarlison but the Blues could not retain the ball. Then some absolutely slick forward passing and movement through to the Rennes area... where Sandro lost possession. A great cross from Baines, headed back by Rischarlison and buried by Tosun but the seemingly faultless goal disallowed for some obscure reason.

Richarlison ran through well and played it out to Tosun whose shot was really rather poor. But a quick move up the other end saw the Blues defense ripped asunder by Siliki for Beaurigeaud to slam it home running in unmarked.

A mazey run by Richarlison was ended illegally, Sigurdsson stepping up to fire the set-piece into the wall, with Everton unable to build on their disallowed goal.

A Rennes move down Everton's right similar to the first goal resulted from a hospital pass by Schneiderlin and saw another wicked low cross from Siliki converted by Siebatcheau for the second Rennes goal as they looked more and more confident against Everton's supposed senior side.

Great work by Coleman won a corner that Sigurdsson delivered with unerring accuracy straight to the first defender. Sigurdsson had a chance for redemption from a wide free-kick on the right that Tosun met well, his glancing header bouncing the wrong side of the post.

Richarlison went on another fine run but lashed his shot into the side netting, with half-time approaching. Richarlison would save some Blues blushes on the whistle, driving home a low shot into the net as Sandro dodged out of his way.

No changes at the break, despite promises from Silva via the Echo that rotation would be the plan.

Coleman rather surprisingly ran half the length of the field with the ball at his feet, cutting in to welly his shot inches over the bar.

After a slew of subs on the hour for the French side, they looked to score but Stekelenburg got down well to save, with the Everton players starting to tire.

A good ball forward from Jagielka saw Coleman win a corner but it came to nothing, the Blues' zest fading fast. Marco Silva finally decided to ring a few changes on 75 mins.

However, it was the Frenchies who took the advantage, Maouassa galloping down the right off another fine assist from Siliki to strike with ease for the third. And then the man himself, Siliki would cut in from the left and make it four. Men against boys... or young fit boys against old tired men!

Davies, on as a sub, was more atrocious than ever, with some awful touches. Richarlison was booked for a dangerous high boot. The Blues at least tried to create some chances, more out of desperation than anything as the game dragged to its seemingly inevitable conclusion, the Blues well and truly humbled by the scoreline.

Richarlison tried an acrobatic finish off a Coleman cross, and Sigurdsson tried to get into the area for a shot but Everton really had no answer to the competent defense in front of them.

Thursday was bad against Blackburn; Everton actually played better today, but still came off worse, despite only senior players getting playing time, suggesting there is even more work to be done in the next two weeks.

Everton: Stekelenburg, Coleman, Keane, Jagielka, Baines, Gana (75' Davies), Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Sandro (75' Mirallas), Tosun (75' Niasse), Richarlison [Y:78'].
Subs not Used: Hewelt, Hilton, Kenny, Pennington, Robinson, Williams, Besic, Dowell, Vlasic.


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Marcus Dudley
1 Posted 28/07/2018 at 15:17:23
Anyone know the code for the game?
Tony Everan
2 Posted 28/07/2018 at 15:26:36
More than a few will have been told to get their flip-flops off and wake up.

Wednesday's performance was poor and this match marks the end of Silva's pre-season fact-finding mission. The fringe players and youngsters need to step it up and show that they should be considered for the first team. Too many were off the pace and lacklustre. Chances for them to impress will be few and far between, they need to embrace and perform in these matches.

Next week, we should see a sharp and focussed mainly 1st choice 11 organised and motivated.

Steve Ferns
3 Posted 28/07/2018 at 15:31:56
Yeah, they're still on double training and this should be the last game we see 10 changes at half-time. Hopefully we see Calvert-Lewin, but Pickford has not returned to Everton yet. Don't worry – neither have the Belgians, the French or the Croats returned to their clubs.
Martin Nicholls
4 Posted 28/07/2018 at 15:47:02
Anyone had email from Club with password yet?
Grant Rorrison
5 Posted 28/07/2018 at 15:50:16
Hopefully start with our strongest available 11. The fringe players have had long enough to impress if they were going to. I cant say I've seen anything impressive in any of the games I watched. That said we had a pretty strong 11 out second half against Blackburn and still managed to go further behind. Dreading this season already.
Brent Stephens
6 Posted 28/07/2018 at 15:50:38
Brent Stephens
7 Posted 28/07/2018 at 15:52:35
That was from an email received around noon today, Martin.
Michael Mcloughlin
8 Posted 28/07/2018 at 15:55:38
Can someone educate me please Code ?
Brent Stephens
9 Posted 28/07/2018 at 15:57:37
This is the link I've been emailed:
Derek Knox
10 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:07:56
Brent, hope it works this time, not your link, I mean the Transmission. That was an absolute joke at Blackburn, and the Football was too.

Hope what may look like the starting line up in a fortnight, are playing. The deadwood have had their chances and blown them good style.

Brent Stephens
11 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:11:37
Yes, hope the transmission works, Derek. I went to Blackburn so no issues with EFCTV (just the quality of footy!). But on the way got caught up in the traffic jam caused by the M6 incident near Preston - it backed up almost to Southport!
Martin Nicholls
12 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:31:17
Thanks Brent - no huge surprise but I've only received the email apologising for Thursday night's cock-up. Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately!) I was at the game!
Brent Stephens
13 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:33:58
Martin, just after KO on Thursday all the Everton fans seemed to give a big cheer to somebody who came into the away end, in an Everton shirt. didnt see that did you? don't know who it was? he sat near the front far left.
Michael Penley
14 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:36:54
What's the VIP password Brent? Cheers
Jim Bennings
15 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:37:52
Looks like a few players have blown their chances of starting against Wolves anyway.

Let’s hope we start showing a bit of pride tonight at the field we are playing at.

Gary Fenton
16 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:37:53
Better looking team
John Pierce
17 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:38:15
The club’s response to the shambles of Blackburn has been absolutely abysmal. Being the US, the options are limited.

No response from the club for refund, nor an apology since I’m no longer a member or STH.

The ignorance of club regarding support globally is atrocious.


Lewis Barclay
18 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:39:48
Brent #13 - I think his name is Schneiderlin
Jim Bennings
19 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:40:23
John #17

Poor communication is the clubs stock and trade, I’d get used to it.

Gary Fenton
20 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:46:13
Everton XI: Stekelenburg, Coleman, Jagielka, Keane, Baines, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Sigurdsson, Sandro, Tosun, Richarlison

Subs: Hewelt, Hilton, Kenny, Pennington, Robinson, Williams, Besic, Davies, Dowell, Mirallas, Vlasic, Niasse.

John Pierce
21 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:46:14
Jim, never!

A third email has yielded my apology and refund in the last few minutes.

Unfortunately for the club my lifestyle allows me to be a grumpy arsed emailing c**t.

Never surrender to these incompetent money grabbing b*astards.


Richard Mason
22 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:46:24
What is the team? I can't see it
Gary Fenton
23 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:49:53
Richard look at 20 above
Richard Mason
24 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:50:16
Sorry guys see it there now
Michael Kenrick
25 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:52:51
Instead of star man Jordan Pickford, we have young goalkeeper Joe Hilton joining Mateusz Hewelt on the bench...
Andy Peers
26 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:53:20
What is this obsession with the Gueye/Schneid combo that never works?????
Andrew Ellams
27 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:53:36
Where are Walcott, Lookman and Bolasie?
Gary Fenton
28 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:53:57
Just hope the link works tonight
Hoping to see a team tonight??
John Otway
29 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:56:08
Never surrender to these incompetent money grabbing b*astards


Derek Taylor
30 Posted 28/07/2018 at 16:57:59
Imagine that's his first eleven with only Davies amongst the subs likely to see Premier action on anything like a regular basis. We have Pickford and Walcott to come back but that's yer lot !
Jay Wood

31 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:01:22
Silva is certainly giving Sandro plenty of game time and opportunities.

Is that because he sees something in him he wants to utilise this season, or putting him in the shop window to remind other clubs he is on our books? Because once Walcott and DCL is fit, Sandro must drop down the pecking order, surely?

Michael Morgan
32 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:02:59
Is Holgate injured?
Tony Twist
33 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:03:47
Uninspiring team, last year blues almost, don't see any Silva influence at all. Jags still in the side after that joke of the 3rd goal conceded at Blackburn. Where is the promising youth, sneiderlin still in the side, if that continues and we don't cure that problem we will be punished in the premiership.
Mark Tanton
34 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:04:04
Two things stand out;

1. Lack of quality in several areas.

2. Sandro seeing a lot of football. Is this window dressing him or reintegration?

Sam Hoare
35 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:05:02
That’s our strongest team currently. And worryingly.
Derek Taylor
36 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:06:54
.and even more so if they play zonal marking, Sam !
Sam Hoare
37 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:07:59
On the plus side Wolves ( who have looked very handy in preseason) lost 2-1 to Derby today.
John Pierce
38 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:08:01
JO. Nowhere did I claim I’m remotely competent. 🤪🤪🤪
Mark Tanton
39 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:08:35
What choice does Silva have though? It’s been a World Cup summer and he has a massive rebuilding job to do - it’s not going to be easy for him. He’s risking a growing reputation coming here, because to be impartial, we’re in a mess. The playing side is just disastrous.
Derek Taylor
41 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:11:19
A growing reputation, Mark ? What of, failure ?
Gary Fenton
42 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:12:11
Mark, I agree but we should be seeing some of his coaching ability coming out in the games now apart from zonal marking
Colin Malone
43 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:12:11
Passes through the middle of midfield, for Tuson to run on to? Yes.

Passes from the flanks for Tuson to challenge defenders? Not his game, No!

Jer Kiernan
44 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:13:35
Hoping to see a reaction and some urgency today, also looking forwards to seeing our shiney new Brazilian :)

I am also glad to see Silva givin Sandro another chance if he cannot grasp it this time well it cant be said

Stating the bleeding obvious but our CB partnership is worrying, I would fancy myself to bag a brace against those two ffs

Ian Bennett
45 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:13:36
cheers Brent
Darren Hind
46 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:13:59
No LF for this one, Michael ?
Mark Tanton
47 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:15:14
We don’t know what impact Silva has had really had yet, but we will when we line up against Wolves. Silva’s stock is high and to call him a failure is just plain daft. He’s won more than any Everton manager since Kendall. That’s just fact.
Steven Jones
48 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:17:06
Where is the Live Forum . not sure of getting through on the Membership Stream as they have been gash all pre-season have logged in and waiting, but at least the ToffeeWeb Forum has to work? No ?
Sam Hoare
49 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:17:06
I’m feeling pretty chilled about next season. Expectations are low because it’s a massive rebuilding job of a squad that is staggeringly poor considering the money invested but Richarlison and targeting the likes of Digne and Mina suggest we are belatedly on the right track.
Steven Jones
50 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:19:01
Sam 37 - thats because Derby should have been promoted last season and their season starts next week . they are ready and a comparable side .
John Otway
51 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:22:11
JP. Well taken Sir! COYB!!
Michael Lynch
52 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:22:12
Unless Walcott gets off his sick bed pronto, that's the line up that will be starting on August 11th (+Pickford).

As far as I'm concerned, there's absolutely no reason to suspect we'll get better results than we did under Sam. The only positive is that the football might be at a very slightly quicker tempo, and the fans won't be swearing at the manager until early September or so.

Steven Jones
53 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:22:16
I wonder whether Silva is going to continue his lets work hard in training but in matches, lets play the players that I want to get rid of and then play the proper team

I have seen the team and it looks as though it is his first team . but missing Lookman and Walcott makes it look toothless Richardson and Tosun - give us an answer .

Antony Matthews
54 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:23:35
I see Funes Mori scored for Villarreal 🙄
Darren Hind
55 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:24:41
Is that somebody's front door behind the goal ?
Alan J Thompson
56 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:25:56
Why the hell is Schneiderlin getting a game? Hasn't he worked out yet that the man is rubbish or is it a case of do nothing means doing nothing wrong!
Derek Taylor
57 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:26:20
Used link provided via e-mail together with Password onlt to get 'INVALID PASSWORD'.

Anybody else suffering ?

Jer Kiernan
58 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:26:52
How you folks veiwing this I am on official site staring at a clock counting down ?
Paul Tran
59 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:28:56
Is there a live forum today?

Koeman has just won at Ascot. Sums my day up. Hope it gets better with a good display here.

Gary Fenton
60 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:29:03
is it working yet any links just in case it fails
Michael Lynch
61 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:29:28
I logged in and it's working fine
Jer Kiernan
62 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:30:27
Ok offical one of pay stream working so far ;)
David Duignan
63 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:30:48
This on any streams on tv i.e. bein sports or something similar?
Mike Oates
64 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:31:04
There is no promising youth at all, none are good enough for the PL - Davies, Dowell, Holgate, Kenny, Robinson, - maybe just maybe one will get through . He will have to come in, in a side playing well, allowing a young lad to play . We can’t rely on suddenly 4- 5 lads starting and playing well
John Pierce
65 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:31:39
Darren it’s the French version Kenilworth Road.
Jay Wood

66 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:34:06
Excellent link (Portuguese commentary).

May need to click on the black frame 2-3 times (and close pop up tabs) to reveal the muted volume and option to make it full screen.


Nick Lacey
67 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:48:05
We are not good.
Ian Bennett
68 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:48:16
Jim Scales
69 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:48:47
Thanks Brent, perfect.
Jer Kiernan
70 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:49:24
How did Keane not read that through ball it was telegraphed, ,he never seems to fail to disappoint that lad,
Michael Lynch
71 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:49:28
Good move there ends with Sandro demonstrating his early Lukaku ball trapping technique
Darren Murphy
72 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:50:00
David@63 click the link at the top highlighted in blue and use rennes18 as your password man.
Mike Galley
73 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:50:51
Thanks Jay. Used that link. Unfortunately, it works fine!
Michael Lynch
74 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:51:16
I think Richarlison is going to be massive for us. I can't wait to see him in action at Goodison. I'd be tempted to keep him out of these friendlies, wrap him up in cotton wool in case he gets injured before the season starts.
Jon Withey
75 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:52:42
Richarlison quality - our defence though, oh my god.
Steven Jones
76 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:53:27
We are now 1-nil up apart from the referee .

I was down in Porto and these pre-season friendlies have very very home side refs .

Before this game the referee team and the opposite management were hugging and kissing and their eyes were like they were in love .

Darren Murphy
77 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:56:33
Is the live feed on holiday?
Josh Barber
78 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:58:28
Horrible defense by us again.
Brent Stephens
79 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:58:29
Too easy
Michael Lynch
80 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:58:52
Dreadful defence yet again
Arild Andersen
81 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:59:06
Christ. We really can’t defend.
Darren Murphy
82 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:59:09
1-0. Ffs, nobody tracking back to help Coleman when he was up the pitch attacking.
Jer Kiernan
83 Posted 28/07/2018 at 17:59:52
Poor goal to conceded piss poor defending but expected little, Keane is tripe we need to cut our losses on him honestly I cant see any qualities in the guy and he is supposidly in his prime
Michael Lynch
84 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:00:01
Everyone jogging gently back while they're unmarked in the box.
Karl Jones
85 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:00:22
They really look as though they can't be arsed today this Everton side.
Michael Lynch
86 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:00:41
Two new central defenders can't come quick enough. As it is, it doesn't look like we're going to sign even one.
Darren Murphy
87 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:01:18
He's piss poor Jer, I did expect him to kick on but clearly not happening.
Tony Everan
88 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:01:34
very poor ball by Sandro too from an attacking position had them counter attacking
Michael Lynch
89 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:01:54
Classic Richarlison there, winning a free kick again
Jim Bennings
90 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:04:26
Can we re-sign Distin?

He’s only 41 better than what we have!!

Mark Pringle
91 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:05:33
I do love Seamus but Jesus Christ, always three touches too many.
Tom Bowers
92 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:05:36
As long as there is room for someone like Sandro in this team they will be a poor team.
Jim Bennings
93 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:05:56
Sandro and Tosun offer little ability to hold the ball up, not good enough.
Mike Galley
94 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:06:17
This is the first pre-season game I’ve watched. Have been like this in the previous games?
Hope to god we’re training hard and playing easy at the moment!
Brent Stephens
95 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:06:18
super goal, crap Schneids
Josh Barber
96 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:06:35
Rennes may be playing kids but they have 10x more pace than our defense does.
John Otway
97 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:06:38
Fucking Schneiderlin!
Colin Malone
98 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:06:38
Exactly what I said, no guile to the middle – it's all down to the flags, which is very predictable.
Michael Lynch
99 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:06:39
We are totally embarrassing at the back.

We could be looking at a very long season ahead.

Dan Parker
100 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:07:03
U23s 4-2, they’ll be rescuing us in a month or so.
Duncan McDine
101 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:07:09
Good God. We’re such a bag of shite. btw - no live forum??
Michael Lynch
102 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:07:17
WTF was Keane doing? He just ran into space, totally ignoring the man he was supposed to be marking
John Wells
103 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:08:37
Sandro caused that with a stupid ball but it should have been covered, unless something happens quickly in defence we are in a tough bottom half battle this season lads. They have no heart, no fight and it fucking disgusts me what they get paid.

Watch 10 minutes of a hurling game, they train everyday, get petrol expenses only and any county team would match the fitness levels of our side. They then go on a field go up to catch a ball knowing a hurl is coming down on their hand, do they shirk .do they fuck! Imagine one of these clowns in a tough sport.

Karl Jones
104 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:09:02
you can see this Everton side conceding a lot of goals next season. Piss poor attitude from too many players.
Jer Kiernan
106 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:09:36
Stated before kick off I would fancy myself to grab a brace against this CB partnership me thinks I over estimated them, Pure Muck
Kristian Boyce
108 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:09:57
Mike Oates
109 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:10:51
I’m sorry but like the other night, major surgery required Jags, Keane, Schnederlin, Sandro, or probably Tosun and Sigurdsson just not good enough
Brian Williams
110 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:10:58
I've done what I feel is the best thing for me today. I've switched off the stream and am going to watch something more enjoyable.
Less than two weeks to get some quality into that side, quality which is sorely needed.
Arild Andersen
111 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:11:03
This is mot morale boosting. We seriously need a goal. Their no 12 is good. Their striker too. Schneiderlin, Keane both useless. Sandro actually makes som good combinations with Coleman, but midfield leaves our right side exposed every time Coleman joins the attack, don’t know if its meant to be Schneiderlin or Gana’s side, but it happens a lot. We have way too little movement up front.

Matt Muzi
112 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:11:28
I don't know what's worse, the football or the sickening annoying positive commentary!
John Wells
113 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:11:30
Mark 93, agree totally regarding Seamus, I’m a huge fan but he has had one good match his first Back .bounce factor
Derek Taylor
114 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:12:12
I have to say it but without Sam's drilled discipline in defence we are hopeless - bloody hopeless !
Tony Everan
116 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:12:40
Is this Blackburn in disguise ?
Josh Barber
117 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:13:17
Beautiful turn by Richarlison. We haven't had a winger that could do that for 2 or 3 seasons.
Sam Hoare
118 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:13:49
Grim stuff. It’s only preseason. it’s only preseason. It’s only preseason. It’s only preseason. It’s not helping.
Scott Hall
119 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:14:31
The huffing and puffing from Jagielka when we concede irritates the life out of me. He’s got such a loser mentality. I suppose 10 years of losing will do that to a man.
How about grab the fucker whose fault it is by the neck and let them know it’s not good enough captain!
Not looking good for the season ahead. We’re getting dicked by everyone except the Austrian Ironing team.
Jimmy Salt
120 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:17:29
Goid goal by our new guy
Arild Andersen
121 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:17:31
Look at how fast they close us down, while our pressing is always one or two steps on the backfoot...good goal though!
Tony Everan
122 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:18:42
Bravo !!!!!!!!!!!!
Jer Kiernan
123 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:18:42
Good lad Richarlisson has a great deft touch on the ball he will need to bag 30+ goals this season if we are to win more than lose though :(
Jimmy Salt
124 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:19:19
Any needing an update here a breakdown.
We're still shit.
Defence poor midfield zero guile.
New guy very promising
Tony Everan
125 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:19:22
Our best player by a mile deserved that
Pat Kelly
126 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:21:07
Not to worry, we'll have a new team in the second half.
Steavey Buckley
127 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:21:14
If Silva plays these type of teams against any decent opposition, the results are always the same, Everton get beat. I have no idea why he persists with the same group of players, because they have got 3 managers sacked. And if they get him sacked, they will still turn up for training and play golf in the afternoons. It's all routine, get well paid, turn up for training, get picked for Everton and get the manager sacked.
Steavey Buckley
128 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:21:14
If Silva plays these type of teams against any decent opposition, the results are always the same, Everton get beat. I have no idea why he persists with the same group of players, because they have got 3 managers sacked. And if they get him sacked, they will still turn up for training and play golf in the afternoons. It's all routine, get well paid, turn up for training, get picked for Everton and get the manager sacked.
Sam Hoare
129 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:21:14
A good sign that Brands/Silvas first signing already looks our best player.
Philip Bunting
130 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:22:01
Passing a lot more direct and crisp at times. Crisp first touch from Coleman fantastic. Nothing wrong with Tosun goal either and Richardilson looks a threat and very direct. Negatives Jags is a liability, put him under pressure and there's a mistake every time. Keanes positional sense is appalling, does not seem to know who is around him. Schnederlan, not doing a lot. Our passing at times from one or two players is leaving the players a little short .overall good lively game
Robert Workman
131 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:22:06
Stekelenberg never looks like saving anything. Is he really good enough to be our Number 2 goalie?
Kelvin Thomas
132 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:22:32
Two poor passes have led to both Rennes goals. Not a lot in it otherwise.

No need for two CDM in my opinion. We need a player who can beat a man and attack next to Gana or Schneiderlin.

Need to get Gylfi and Tosun involved.

Very good half from Richarlison.

Tony Williams
133 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:23:12
Can't blame Keen he has been stranded all by hisself for both goals. Where was Jags & Baines?
Iain Johnston
134 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:23:14
What scares me more is that at the moment it's the strongest 10 outfield players we have.
Karl Jones
135 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:23:28
45 million for Sigurdsson...You forget he's even on the pitch. He scores the odd good goal, but the rest of the time he's completely anonymous.
Jim Bennings
136 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:24:20
Silva has a massive job on trying to polish this tepid turd that’s gradually stank the place out for 18 months.

Basically we can keep changing managers but the squad is still shit with a losers mentality.

Alan J Thompson
137 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:25:35
Come Christmas we might be glad that Allardyce is paid up for the season.
Steven Jones
138 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:26:56
This is the feeling I have had inside since everyone at TW started to slag Sam A off .

He was the only professional manager we have had for a while . who could have built on something stable a good defence . and the professional coaching team he brought .

If we continue to get dicked then I will do the old told you so about SA . I do fear the drop with what we have got .

Without obvious goals upfront - you have to close the back door . SA did that as does the dick Mourinho I don't like him and I don't like SA- but they are professional managers . in the Prem that is what you need to survive .

On the positive side Silva's going for a fast passing style philosophy and pressing, oh for him to have a Bracewell and Reed in midfield . not a Schneid!

Karl Jones
140 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:27:51
Schneiderlin is absolutely awful. The sloppiness and lack of discipline in his game is affecting everyone around him, especially Gueye who looks a shadow of the player he was in his first season. There's miles better players than him in the Championship.
Scott Hall
141 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:28:20
Jim @136 I agree completely. These players just aren’t winners. They’re comfortable with getting beat. I’m not saying they don’t care or that they like getting beat, but they accept it. We need players that hate losing and are furious when we concede. Jags, Baines, Schneiderlin et al throw an arm up in the air, turn around and walk back to the centre circle.
Kelvin Thomas
142 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:29:00
Agree Iain: hardly anything on the bench to change the game.

Having said that, Walcott will be training next week, that puts Sandro on the bench.

Bolasie and Lookman are still our players. Both capable of coming on and making a difference.

Chris Watts
143 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:29:46
We just look so old and slow. I’m afraid Holgate is the only CB we should keep we need 2 top class CB in.. Williams jags and Keane are not up to it. Morgan looks the same as he did last year- shite. Still undecided on Tosun. I can imagine him scoring a lot with good service but he struggles in a struggling side.

Sandro tries but isn’t good enough. We are in deep trouble and need 2 CB a left back, a centre mid, a striker and a clear out of gargantuan proportions

Ray Smith
144 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:30:22
I hope Digne is not watching!

Taxi for Schneiderlin.

Richarlison looks very good.

Not sure about Sandro, Jags and Keane.

I didn’t see the Blackburn game but this is dire, regardless of the final result.

Mike Benjamin
145 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:32:06
No pace at the back and no creativity in the center of midfield. Until those are sorted then we will stay poor.
Philip Bunting
146 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:32:47
We need winners in team. Players that get a head of steam up and fight. A Carsley, Graveson, Cahill, Neville,Hutchison etc. A player in the middle who snarls at the ref, inspires those around because our Capt won't and neither will Gana nor Sch. All too nice
Mike Oates
147 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:33:31
Preseason but see no pattern in our play except swing it wide to full backs and hopeful they can get crosses in . There is no build up play
Jim Bennings
148 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:33:36

This Everton squad reminds me of the 1980’s Coventry team.

Comfortable with losing games as long as they win just enough to stick mid table and stay up.

Craig Walker
149 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:37:16
Schneiderlin and Mirallas had to be sent home from training for lack of effort last season. How are they still at our club? Anyone who said Schneiderlin was worth keeping after he put in 3 or 4 decent performances needs to look in the mirror. You are part of the problem. We all accept mediocrity too easily. I’ve not seen anything yet to make me think that Silva is mediocre at best. Seriously worried about this season. No desire, no creativity, no flair, no heart, no goals., no hope.
Tony Everan
150 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:39:11
was that Diego Maradona ?
John Otway
151 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:39:26
Karl Jones #135 and #140. Absolutely agree. As soon as Sigurdsson puts on an Everton shirt he becomes The Invisible Man and not the 10 that dictates play. Schneiderlin's "pass" to Jagielka for their second goal was a disgrace but so utterly typical. He should be embarrassed to pull on an Everton shirt. The fact that he isn't speaks volumes for him.
Karl Jones
153 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:41:50
Rooney should never have been sold until he was replaced. Top scorer yet again let go, and the record without him in the team was that of a relegated side. He may have slowed down, but he could find a forward pass and got stuck in and changed games.
Kelvin Thomas
154 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:42:37
Playing for Iceland, Gylfi grabs the game by the scruff of the neck. He did it for Swansea as well. Have faith he’ll do it for is as well. Basically his first game back today.

Tosun is far to quiet for my liking.

Frank Crewe
155 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:43:26
Well don't lick him then.
Jimmy Salt
156 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:47:48
Our right hand side is totally exposed
Kelvin Thomas
157 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:48:17
Thanks Frank. Definitely won’t!
Jerome Shields
158 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:48:18

Richarlison is looking a really good player. Lucky Moshiri had a change of heart with the purse strings. The rest is as exspected, particularly the defence. It will need a Niasse substitution in the second half to save more blushes. Silva is no fool, he knew to keep him to save his bacon, given the unreliability of the squad he is now managing.

These two decisions alone give me hope. Two CBs and LBs are badly needed, the present incumbents are likely to go missing in the middle of a game. Schneiderlin nerves are shot, in front of them.

Nicholas Ryan
159 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:48:52
Very frustrated; I can't burn my season ticket in disgust, as it hasn't arrived yet!
Steven Jones
160 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:52:34
Karl 153 - totally agree - you never ship out goals from a team .

Without Wayne we would have been relegated .

Wayne has a winners mentality . even in 5 a side and pre-season games .

As SA would have done close the back of and buy goals .

Alan J Thompson
161 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:52:58
"Coleman ran half the length of the pitch and wellied it over the bar" - Graphic, Michael, graphic
Karl Jones
162 Posted 28/07/2018 at 18:55:05
Keane. The worst Everton CB since Glenn Keeley.
Kelvin Thomas
163 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:01:19
The team needs to push up 15 yards.
We’ve got Schneiderlin and Gana picking up passes 3 yards in front of Keane and Jags.
Definitely a need for a box to box CM.
Tony Everan
164 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:02:17
I have lived in hope with Sandro, but I don't think he is going to make the grade for us. He puts the effort in but I have concluded he just doesnt look good enough.
Arild Andersen
165 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:06:10
So easy, movement from more than one player, forward pass, good flick (from their no 12?) and an attacker with speed.
Mark Pringle
166 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:06:33
Sandro error 1st goal, Schneiderlin for 2nd, Baines for 3rd. We lack any pace at back. Beginning to think Silva might need those 6 signings after all. Cheque book out please Farhad
Michael Mcloughlin
167 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:06:39
Keane has no pace or awareness l. Woeful
Ray Said
168 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:07:16
Its often said ( by me anyway) that a team works as fast as the lowest energy member...hard to work out who that is in this team. They look like they need plugging into the mains for a recharge
Karl Parsons
169 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:07:40
New management same shite
Karl Jones
170 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:07:41
The lack of pace in the middle of the back four is frightening. Moyes or Kendall would never have put up with that. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
Kelvin Thomas
171 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:08:25
Another error from Baines this time!
4th a bit of a joke.
Brendan Fox
172 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:08:32
Utter garbage. All the Rennes goals coming from quick breaks following sloppy play. Does not bode well...
Jer Kiernan
173 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:08:38
Hopefully this exposes the large lumbaring moronic Elephant in the room, ,Get this dud Keane shipped now, ,any loss in money will be out weighed by the damage he will do this season should he play,

Ive played with better defenders in pub teams ffs

Eugene Kearney
175 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:08:55
When does Pickford get back?
Tony Everan
176 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:09:06
Fuck me it is Atalanta all over again
Mark Tanton
177 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:09:11
It is absolutely criminal, what has happened to this Everton side. It's not like there hasn't been money spent either. Just an absolute disaster, and Walsh and Koeman have left a monumental task for the new guy.
Chris Clark
178 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:10:44
If the defence is the same minus Colemanat the start of the season we will be in trouble. As it stands the Derby will be a massacre.
Tony Williams
179 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:10:50
What decent player is going to sign for us now?
Paul Curwen
180 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:10:50
What the actual fu€# are we doing at the back... I'm embarrassed it's only a friendly doesn't cut any slack...unless we have several signings already near completion we are gonna be a laughing stock !!!!!
Mark Pringle
181 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:10:56
Judging by Richarlison, Silva can at least spot a player. Let's hope he can spot 9 more!!!
George McKane
182 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:11:15
Been obvious for about 3-5 seasons that Jagiellka is finished - - he has nothing left - - getting embarrassing for him - - we constantly do this - - allow players past it to play on and on until they look dreadful and whatever they did in the past is forgotten.

Still 5 or 6 players in team today that just shouldn't be here.

Sad to watch and a more than a bit cringing even allowing for "preseason friendly" tag.

Michael Morgan
183 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:11:32
Don't forget, this is just Rennes. Imagine what City, Liverpool, Tottenham and a host of others with fast counter attacks will do.
Karl Jones
184 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:12:17
The first goal goes in and they collapse just like the start of last season. Get the begging out and bring Allardyce back fast, at least until there's a good manager available.
William Gall
185 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:12:54
And only 12 days left to do anything in the transfer market to solve the problems that have been there for the last couple of seasons.
Tony Everan
186 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:12:57
For me there is no dominant centre midfielder and no dominant Centre back. Nobody is 'running' the team on the pitch, no organizer . Nothing will change until we have a proper Central midfielder and Centre back.
Jer Kiernan
187 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:13:04
I would say Silva will be having sleepless nights after last 2 games, He has some job ahead of him, these guys are either shite or have no interest or both, Shocking
Rian Magee
188 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:16:19
Bar Coleman, the whole back line need replaced. Defintely more pace needed in the middle of the park too. Fingers crossed for a few decent incomers before the season starts. Fhhuu*ck
Tony Everan
189 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:16:23
should have been 5
Chris Clark
190 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:16:46
Games are won and lost in the middle of the park and it's where we are severely lacking.
Jer Kiernan
191 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:17:01
My stream has broken, ,Good
Mark Tanton
192 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:17:31
Silva has already been given some money, he now needs time and patience to Fabreeze the stench of complacency and neglect out of Goodison. It's not going to be easy. These lot are fucking embarrassment, a serial management team sack squad.
Rian Magee
193 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:18:05
Absolutely Chris. No movement, vision, creativity or anybody taking charge of that area
Mark McParlan
194 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:18:10
Absolutely terrified for the upcoming season. So many of our players aren't good enough, and this pre season has given us a massive reality check on that. Of the 'first XI' today Sigurdsson, Tosun, Sandro, Stek, Schneiderlin, Jagielka, Keane, are not good enough.

I give us about a 3% chance of beating Wolves on the opening day.

Peter Morris
195 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:19:06
Goal 3, Baines hits a dreadful forward ball, surrenders possession, gets caught out of position down their right,bang. Goal 4, Davies and Mirallas, on the pitch for 60 seconds, conspire to lose possession in the centre circle, they break forward,bang. This team is truly, truly dreadful, with so-called elite players seemingly unable to retain possession for any length of time, or find colleagues with simple passes. A fired up Wolves will simply walk over this shower.
James Newcombe
196 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:19:20
184 wow Karl, give him a chance!
Chris Clark
199 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:19:41
7 goals and 1 scored in the last 2 games against average opposition. Hopefully it is clear to the decision makers what is needed.
Karl Jones
200 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:19:47
One word sums Everton up. Uncompetetive. Just look at the body language. Standing around hands on hips. Nobody talking to each other. No determination to fight back. Summed up perfectly by the mouse of a Skipper Jagielka. How on earth is he Evertons Captain?
Karl Parsons
202 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:20:01
Don't tell me this is a friendly. Absolute fucking pants. I'm now very worried. M & M get your fingers out you have 12 days in which to make something happen
Kelvin Thomas
203 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:20:10
Hopefully Digne and Mina weren’t watching tonight!

Steven Astley
204 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:20:14
Jer Kiernan
205 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:20:28
I will judge Silva at season's end but I don't know if God himself could eek a performance out of this shower.

The Brazilian lad must be wondering What The Fuck his agent was thinking...

Gordon Crawford
206 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:20:48
Brutal, absolutely brutal.
Arild Andersen
207 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:21:05
This doesn't look good, unless Silva really is a mirakler worker. We don't have the quality to match the top teams and the lower teams will know that they can sit back and wait for our sloppy midfield to lose the ball and then hit on the break.

I was disappointed to see it revert to type after positivities in The Algarve. Disappointed to see we need to use Schneiderlin, Mirallas, Stekelenburg, Williams (thankfully not today) and Niasse. Disappointed our attack are stale and stationary. Disappointed Tom Davies is no better than on his debut.

Still, let's hope it's a big smokescreen and we will fire on all cylinders against Wolves.

Tony Everan
208 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:21:24
Stupid mistakes and — much more worrying — a complete inability to defend against any sort of pace.

It needs sorting fast...

Scott Hall
209 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:22:04
Get your money on Wolves to win by 3 or more. Might as well soften the blow.
Philip Bunting
210 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:22:49
Tom Davies is nothing more than a plodder. Couldn't lace Scott Gemmil's boots, that lad.

Besic should be in that team, in the middle ahead of Schneiderlin every game.

Sigurdsson was anonymous in his now No 10 role, Couldn't clear the wall from a free kick nor get past the first defender when taking corners.

I swear our club has a curse hanging over it. Silva had better be tearing strips out of that lot after this.

Mike Oates
211 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:23:59
I'm afraid Silva had been left a dross of a squad, too slow, too old, too flat-footed, too weak by a million miles. We are in deep trouble, even Richarlison shaking his head walking off in total disbelief what he let himself in for.

Silva and Brands for their own sake need to come out and state the obvious, it will take 5 years to put right. There are no good-enough youngsters to bail them out, Unsworth blurts too much about them but, if Davies is our best, god help us.

Jason Barker
212 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:24:50
What the fuck is going on?
Michael Mcloughlin
213 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:25:10
To be honest, I don't see anything in the team that's any different from the way the team played under Sam Allardyce. Still sorely lacking in midfield; very poor at the back. No link-up on the wings, and poor or no service for the forwards.

Things can only get better... :-) — or can they???

John Raftery
214 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:25:22
It's all going terribly well!

Pre-season is all about fitness and being ready for the 11th August but how shambolic does our team look against second-tier opponents?

Two weeks to sort it out.

Eric Yarker
215 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:25:29
Sky bet offering 175/1 gobshites league, Everton relegated. Worth a punt on these performances, absolutely abysmal!
Rian Magee
216 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:25:58
I know there's been a slump in quality the past few years, but I think the Koeman & Walsh recruitment has poisoned the dressing room. They splashed huge money and wages on fecking mercenaries that obviously only care about an undeserved paycheck.

Crazy saying it but I long for the likes of Naisy, Jelavic, Pienaar... maybe not the most talented, but they're so much better than what we have and they gave a shit about playing for the club — not like the majority of our current crop of cheats.

Brian Harrison
217 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:26:02
I see no noticeable difference in the way we played under the last 2 seasons of Martinez, or in Koeman's time, or in Allardyce's — and the common cause is the players.

Every time Rennes attacked with pace, Keane, Jagielka and Baines were left floundering. The midfield are useless going forward, and both Sandro and Tosun are just nowhere near good enough.

The hardcore of this team have got rid of 3 managers; unless Silva can turn things around, they may well see him off.

I just hope that both Walcott and Lookman are fit to play against Valencia and Wolves. This defence is woefully not good enough, they lack strength and pace.

Grant Rorrison
218 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:26:52
I hear we're still in talks with Watford over Silva compensation. They're as yet refusing to pay us any though.
Karl Jones
219 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:27:32
Wolves will take this Everton side to the cleaners, as will most other teams. They're clearly not ready for the Premier League.

Pick any 11 from that squad and it won't make any difference. There's something not right with the attitude at this club.

Kunal Desai
220 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:27:57
Mediocre club, saddled with many poor players, happy to take a huge wedge from EFC as they realise the club is laughing stock. They wouldn't get these wages elsewhere.

Similar to last season: 8-10th place challenge. Nothing more.

Lee Paige
221 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:28:26
Mike Powell
222 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:28:47
We need at least nine players; this lot are an embarrassment to our club.

Don't give me "it's a pre-season friendly and it doesn't matter" — bollocks! It does matter. If we don't get more players in before the start of the season... well, you work it out.

Steven Jones
223 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:28:57
It's the fans' fault as you lot wanted Sam Allardyce out; you get what you deserve.

I wish he'd stayed and built on our second-half stability last season. A change of philosophy and a change of coaches etc etc will see us go the way Villa did.

I think we need Moyes back now... stablize the ship and bring some winning mentality back.

Colin Malone
224 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:30:03
Everything I said before the game came to fruition.

Everton, you get on my fucking nerves.

Chris Watts
225 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:30:31
Hard to know where to go with this. Without a massive clear out, and with our aging team looking slower every season, we might be relegation candidates.

Keane Williams and Jagielka need to be jettisoned immediately. Baines is finished. Schneiderlin should never play for us again. Niasse is not good enough. None of the kids, including Davies, are good enough.

Pickford, Coleman Holgate, Lookman, Richarlison, and Walcott, for me, are the only players worth keeping. All the rest can go.

We just look so old and slow. This is going to be a 2-year project just to get competitive again.

John Keating
226 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:31:58
Well we've played the top class trio of Bury, Blackburn and Rennes and have been a disgraceful embarrassment in each.

That was a supposed near-enough full-strength team out there today and God help us if we play a half-decent team.

They looked knackered, uninterested and shellshocked at the same time. Utter dross. Confidence must be rock bottom.

We need a rematch with the Austrian amateurs but I fear that would be embarrassing as well.

I hope Silva has a plan or some sort of different tactics because nothing seems to have changed.

Derek Taylor
227 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:32:41
Steven, I too see Moyes in before Christmas but he won't save us 'doing a Villa' with this lot of lily-livers. Sam must be pissing himself in Spain!!!
Karl Jones
228 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:33:24
Eric (#215), that looks a great bet. Might as well be rich as well as disappointed. Got to be worth a tenner.

Silva took Hull down and Watford were going down before he was sacked... Why the fuck is he Everton's manager!

Jim Bennings
229 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:35:26
Forget the money we have wasted in the last 18 months, this is by far the WORST SQUAD OF SPINELESS WASTERS I’ve seen at this club in many many years.
Ian Riley
230 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:36:07
Well, we got Sam Allardyce out. Not good enough.

No, the squad isn't good enough. We are a squad in transition. Aging players and players simply not good enough. If we can make the top ten this season, job done. We knew this squad needed serious work on it.

Silva has a massive job on his hands. Friendlies mean nothing. Please let me be right!

Gordon Crawford
231 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:36:19
It’s going to take a few years to fix this rot. Silva needs a chance.
John Boon
232 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:36:20
We should try to join the Austrian League Div 5 where we can play against the team we beat 22-0. Our only chance for this coming season.
William Gall
233 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:37:24
This team would not finish in the top 6 in the Championship, and looking at the write-ups and results from preseason games it not only shows what a massive job the manager will have to keep us in the Premier League, they are demonstrating why young ambitious players either want to leave, or are reluctant to come, and that results in having to pay exorbitant fees to get them.

We just have 12 days left before the season starts, and I understand the manager started late with the World Cup going on but something has to be done, as all the training and fitness programs do not seem to be showing any end results.

Ray Jacques
249 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:37:48
Conor Skelly
250 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:38:37
I'm only getting 33/1 on Skybet but even at that price, I'm giving serious consideration to purchasing my own parachute payment, while I still can.
Grant Rorrison
251 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:40:15
Moyes?!! Fuck sake. He got relegated with Sunderland and survived by the skin his teeth with West Ham. Plus he has the charisma of a donkey's scrotum.
Derek Taylor
252 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:40:32
Trolled, trolled, trolled!
Tony Twist
253 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:40:36
Ha, it makes me laugh, people saying this is "just pre-season". I am ashamed of my club.

I was worried when Brands and Silva came in and said they would now evaluate the squad. You only had to watch a few of last season's games to know that about 90% of the squad are an embarrassment and as much talented footballers as I am but at least I would make an effort.

The first signings should have been a left-back and left-sided centre-back and then two central midfielders that can actually control a game of football; then we can consider a luxury player.

Typical Everton: farcical... and who chose Silva as manager? Like Martinez, after seeing one or two games where his tactics actually worked. Amateurs the lot of them.

Never thought I would but I am off to the bookies to get some money back when Everton crash and burn. Hopefully with my luck, it will guarantee Premier League safety, having done that! We have a reasonable start to the season and are light-years away from being ready. So, fail to win those matches, with a possible points deduction for poaching, and we are in big trouble.

John Hammond
254 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:40:55
New manager + new ideas and tactics + last season's team = slow progress and some uncomfortable times.

This is pre-season, no one's giving 100%. Anyone thinking we're all of a sudden going to be a brilliant team is mad but it's not like we've completely and utterly shite for 90 mins in every game. There's signs of what Silva is trying to do.

We all know the problems with this squad and what needs to be done but it ain't going to be a quick fix. More players will be brought in, more will be gotten rid of – it's a start.

Mike Galley
256 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:41:34
I'm shocked at how pedestrian we look. There's no fire, bite, fight or whatever adjective you want to use in this team.

And everyone who comments about the losers mentality in the club, they're 100% correct.

I remember a bit of a squabble the club had with Roy Keane about something he said about the club's mentality. Something to do with an EFC player pulling out of an international and he questioned our recent trophy record... he received comments along the lines of ‘he should now, last time we won a trophy he played in the game!'.

I thought he's called us right. A coward of a club with a coward's mentality to the game. If anyone disagrees with me, I'll point to our derby record! Possibly, the most shameful thing we have.

Rian Magee
257 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:43:06
I totally agree with you, Chris (#225). All those you mentioned need the P45 immediately.

Pickford, Coleman, Walcott, Richarlison and possibly Lookman (I honestly haven't seen him play enough for us to say) are the only ones who would get into any other Premier League starting 11.

Holgate, Tosun and Besic I would keep for backup, although I would have Mo over Morgan and Tom any and every day of the week. The rest of the squad obviously just don't care, are too old or just Championship level at best.

I know it's pre-season and I'm not freaking out yet... but, unless we get a few decent signings in (I couldn't care less if they're well known names or not, as long as they have quality, fight and pride) and performances increase sharply and quickly, this could be a very telling season.

I feel for Silva, the shite he has to work with is shocking. As much as I'd love the honour, I wouldn't want the job with the muck we have in our current squad. I hope for his and our sakes he has both hands firmly on the hatchet and it'll be coming down on virtually half of those thieves! But it begs the question... Who would take them? I think it's best, in the long run, to pay them off and just get rid!

Jim Bennings
258 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:44:03
Mike (#256),

I totally agree with you 110%.

Rob B Williams
259 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:44:21
Rennies anybody??
Andy Meighan
260 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:44:44
That back 4 is a disgrace – and I'm including Coleman in that. The lot of them are a mistake waiting to happen.

As for the midfield... please! I hope Silva doesn't fall into the trap of believing Schneiderlin and Gueye work as a defensive midfield axis because it clearly doesn't. As Karl Jones said earlier, Schneiderlin's sloppiness and awful passing drags everyone down

We all know a playmaker, two centre-halves, a left-back, and a striker are needed; whether the manager does is another issue.

He's got to be given time because any manager would struggle with that rabble. We need quality and quick. He's made a good signing in the Brazilian; now it remains to be seen if he can get at least 3 more quality players in.

Payers to be shipped out for me: Schneiderlin, Bolasie, Mirallas, Davies, Pennington, Besic, Williams, Jagielka, and Sigurdsson — the biggest waste of money ever... one awful buy to go with the rest of the shite I've mentioned. Worrying indeed!!!

Jay Wood

262 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:45:41
Disturbing. Very, very disturbing.

I understand pre-season games are primarily to get game time in the players' legs, but performances and results do impact on the psyche of all. They should also be used to get systems into sync.

For the most part, we were shambolic.

I have seen absolutely nothing of the Blackburn game, but by all accounts today was a continuation of the same.

Everton continue to play as we have become all too familiar with for more than a year now: we have no presence in either penalty area, defensively or offensively. We play between both penalty areas, but very rarely do we encroach either of them.

Rennes – a very lowly regional team in French football – did not have to work at all hard for their four gifted goals. Schneiderlin was culpable in three of them, but the whole setup exposed us to Rennes exploiting us down the flanks.

I did some translation work for Steve Ferns in helping him better understand Marco Silva's preferred strategy. A couple of them were in evidence today, but to our cost, namely:

* He likes his full-backs to get forward in support of the attack when his team is on the front foot. Seamus in particular did that in the first half, getting loads of space down the flank, linking well with Sandro, but not producing any end result. The two first-half goals came down his flank when AWOL and neither the midfield nor defence properly 'reset' to cover for Seamus.

* When on the defensive, Silva likes his defenders to shift their position towards the flank being attacked. In part, you saw evidence of that with the same two first half goals. Unfortunately, the defence wasn't in sync and the adjusted positions taken up by Jagielka, Keane and Baines made it easy, not difficult, for Rennes to score.

Rennes did an excellent high-pressing job on us in the 2nd half. We could barely cross the halfway line and were constantly turning and passing backwards. This in part resulted in their two 2nd-half goals. We had neither the players with the guile, nor the movement to offer themselves, to escape from this high press.

The two players who should be our 2 playmakers, Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin, simply weren't. Sigurdsson can be excused a bit as he has just returned this week, but Schneiderlin...?

The biggest saving grace was Richarlison's contribution. He looked goosed by the end, but he certainly makes things happen when he gets the ball. That was another failing: not getting the Braziian on the ball more often.

The XI who played the majority of the game was near as damn it the best starting XI currently on our books and who can expect to play in the majority of the games this season.

They ain't yet fit for purpose — not by a long stretch.

Tony Marsh
263 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:46:28
Frightening really that we're 3 managers on since the Moyes years yet we still have 3 of the Moyes back 4 playing for this football club.

I am glad to see more of our fans waking up to Tom Davies. I was called all the names under the sun last season when I said Tom isn't Premier League quality. Same applies to Dominic Calvert-Lewin. Simply not up to it.

Koeman and Walsh should be shot for the crap they brought here. Silva needs to forget egos and being nice and rid EFC of Muppets like Schneiderlin, Williams, Jagielka and Gueye. The trouble is, if we shift out all the crap, there's no-one left to play.

We are a million miles away from the top 4. It would take at least 3 years of Usmanov's money to even challenge top 4.

On top of the awfull playing side of things, the club is still fucking up basic customer services like Live Streaming and Bramley-Moore Dock is becoming another laughing stock. The recent CEO appointment is another sick joke. Yet another example of jobs for the boys.

I fear for the club unless the powers that be become more brutaI and intervene a bit more. I am still shaking my head at Kenwright allowing Koeman to waste all that money on old man Sigurdsson.

Say what you like about Abromovich, but he takes no shit. Man Utd's board are also blocking purchases yet our lot never learn. Like a previous poster has said, Wolves will murder this lot of clowns next week.

Jim Bennings
264 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:48:23
I spotted at the latter end of last season the weaknesses and deficiencies in certain players' games. Tosun can't play as lone striker and doesn't offer much in the way of strength or mobility; basically, he replaced Lukaku but is nowhere near the striker Lukaku was.

I said six months ago Tom Davies should be out on loan this season; he's not a Premier League quality footballer – one goal (vs Manchester City) 18 months ago doesn't make him that.

Our defence is a disgrace right across the board.

Gueye and Schneiderlin still here and starting... one question: just why?

It's as though nothing is ever learnt at Everton Football Club, it's like teaching a baby hieroglyphics.

Dave Abrahams
265 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:48:50
Brent Stephens, thanks for the link, getting anywhere with Everton FC off the field is like expecting anything with this present team on the field, absolutely woeful.

Do the coaches tell Keane anything? He just ambles around like he is lost... unbelievable, and there were a few nearly as bad as him.

Peter Anthony
266 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:50:23
Coleman needs to be made Captain. It won't fix all ills, but he best embodies Evertonian spirit. He will have greater authority to rally this team to much greater effort and endeavour.
Joe Foster
267 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:51:08
I am not looking forward to the new season starting.
Sam Hoare
268 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:51:30
Wow. The relegation talk started early this season. Presumably from all the same people who said we were definitely going to get relegated last season. We came 8th.

Pre-season has been grim but it counts for very little. Clearly there is buying and selling still to be done but the fact that our only signing so far was comfortably our best player bodes well for this new recruitment team who are charged with cleaning up the extraordinary mess left by Koeman and Walsh.

Digne is almost done apparently and everyone can see we need a new centre-back and some more pace in the middle. Hopefully we'll get it.

I fully expect Wolves to beat us but still feel pretty confident we'll be top 10 this season. And top 6 next.

Jamie Evans
269 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:51:52
Ha ha ha.

So if I have this right, we should bring back Big Undies, and get rid of Silva. Wolves, Spurs and every ToffeeWebbers favourite team – the RS – are all going to murder us.

Other than that it's all good.

So much for giving our new manager a chance.

Chris Watts
270 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:52:49
You've got to feel sorry for Silva here. The centre-backs are too slow to push up and play the way he wants to play. In hindsight, Sam was playing the only way they can play. Our club is a grave for managers at the moment.

I would love to know the inside story of what has gone on over the last 2 years. The transfer strategy and decisions made appear to be catastrophic. Koeman brought in a load of players in their late 20s. The reason for doing that is for short-term gain for a season or 2 to try and crack the champions league. Unfortunately, that strategy always means you have to rebuild a couple of years later.

Even more unfortunately, the older players he brought in like Bolasie, Williams and Scneiderlinhave been awful so now we need a rebuild and we've gone down in the league.

Silva needs time to rebuild the club the same way Moyes did in 2002.

Jay Wood

271 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:52:52
Oh! And we urgently need cover or replacement at left-back.

Anyone else notice Baines pulling up with a wince towards the end of the game, and for the remaining few minutes was seen nursing his groin?

We cannot repeat last season and go into this without a genuine Premier League-ready left-back to cover or repace Baines.

Lev Vellene
272 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:52:56
Sandro has looked lively for most of the pre-season games, but it's very clear he's now frustrated and just tries too hard when approaching the box. I think Silva either sees something there, or wants to give him enough rope... Myself, I think it's the first option!

Steavey Buckley
273 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:53:08
Silva should have hit the ground running and got rid of most of Everton's players and then went out and bought quality. Just buying 1 good player will not save Everton's season. It maybe too late already with a couple of weeks to go.
Mike Barrett
274 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:53:18
Steve Ferns... no reflection on you but what the fuck are you on about with your love of Marco Silva????

I know it's only pre season but this is embarrassing. I never understood the club's obsession with him... this season will be a disaster.

I've supported the club for 50 years and I've never been so worried – including the Mike Walker days. I'm sorry, Steve, I really wanted to believe you but I'm afraid you were talking bollox... nothing personal, mate.

Derek Knox
275 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:54:02
Dave A, I was fluent in hieroglyphics until I started watching Everton, it's all gone, a bit like our form!
Will Mabon
276 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:54:24
This is almost beyond words. I didn't see a Live Forum. Did someone foresee what was coming?
Derek Knox
277 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:56:19
Steavey, I know what you mean, but after getting screwed over by Koeman, I think they are reluctant to repeat the fiasco.
Craig Walker
278 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:57:28
Triple training sessions next week? Hate to say it and it’s against everything I believe but Allardyce is starting to look like it was a good appointment last season and Silva is what I feared, unless he ships out at least 5 or 6 liabilities and gets quality players in fast.
Lewis Barclay
279 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:59:19
What should be done?

We’re not missing a few good players. We’re missing a team!

The best players we have; Pickford, Holegate, Coleman, Gueye, Sigurdsson, Richarlison, Lookman and Walcott aren’t looking like something we can build on.

Buckle up. This season is going to be bumpy.

John Atkins
280 Posted 28/07/2018 at 19:59:19
Surely both Silva and Brands are not that stupid and are aware how bad we've been for the last few seasons (they must have watched several tapes and footage) and now we see the same shocking performances pre-season with this same pathetic squad

They must know the likes of Jags, Baines, Williams and Keane are simply not good enough for the top level same with Schneiderlin, Davies and Mirallas – I'm absolutely certain they are aware and hopefully by god we'll strengthen this really piss poor excuse of a squad

The first thing to do which will cost fuck all is to change the captaincy, I've said time and time again since the debacle over that penalty at home to West Brom that we lack leadership on the pitch and Jags is weak and has to be replicated now!

Winning becomes a habit as does losing and by god has it become such a habit for us lately.

Derek Knox
281 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:00:37
Craig, seriously I think it's a bit too early to start blaming Silva, he wasn't my choice, but I would rather have him than that Allardyce horrible that!
Bill Watson
282 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:01:51
Jay #262

Thanks for an excellent analysis.

Our midfield is woefully. Pedestrian, can't see a pass and constantly give the ball away.

The Rennes goalkeeper was rarely troubled. I think his first real intervention was around the 30 minute mark.

If we start with this 11 we will struggle to stay out of the bottom three.

Deeply worrying times.

Ed Prytherch
283 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:03:14
That team would have lost to Blackpool today. We try to play it out of the back but Jags, Keane, Schneiderlin and Gana don't have a passing gene in their bodies. So they mess around until someone coughs it up and the other team score.

Silva has got a lot of work to do turn Sandro into an effective wide player. I lost count of how many times he lost possession today and he is a liability when he tries to defend.

The players who remained on the bench must be thinking they have no future when they do not get a chance to replace these losers.

Dan Parker
284 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:05:53
Bloody hell. Silva looking like Koeman already. Unsworth will be playing the U23s in a couple of months, rescue mission.
Michael Lynch
285 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:07:37
It was like watching one of those big Charity matches when they give a load of ex-pros and a few wannabes an outing. I thought we were going to bring on Hibbo and maybe Jimmy Tarbuck at one point.

William Gall
286 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:08:14
The major problem that stands out is the lack of fitness compared to other teams, yet we have had enough time to at least get them match fit.

I keep repeating myself how quickly the start of season is, and we have very little time to bring in more players going on the amount of time we seem to take in negotiations.

For those who don't think we should worry about preseason games. Winning brings confidence, loosing causes complacency and doubt.

Michael Lynch
287 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:09:12
The big problem is that our players are shit and it appears our new manager doesn't have a fucking scooby. Other than that, we look well set for the new season.
Ed Fitzgerald
288 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:10:29
Jay Wood (Brz)

Rennes - a very lowly regional team in French football ?

Finished 5th in the French League last season, are in the Europa League group stages this season and were the only team to beat PSG in Paris last season. That does not mean Everton were not anything other than shite today – but Rennes are a good footballing side and there was plenty of evidence of that today.

Derek Knox
289 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:11:45
When you look at the major culprits for poor play, you can't blame Silva, that twat Koeman is responsible for the shit that He's inherited.
Gavin Johnson
290 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:11:47
Abysmal!! We need to sign a LB, CB, midfielder and striker and offload Schneiderin, Williams, Mirallas, Martina, Bolasie, Besic and Sandro in just 2 weeks!! Good luck with that Marcel. I could name another 6-7 players but that's just the worst of the deadwood.
John Hammond
292 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:13:22
Steavey #273, if only it was as easy as FIFA.
Andrew Rimmer
293 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:13:28
Too many players without ambition or desire. To me the first thing to do after losing the ball is to get it back. Too many players can't do that anymore or ever could.
Michael Lynch
294 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:14:16
Derek why can't we blame Silva? We were quick enough to blame Allardyce and he got a tune out of the same pile of dog shit. It was a terrible tune, but it was a tune.
Barry Williams
295 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:15:31
Diabolical! Yes! Blame Silva !!!!???? Really!?

He has brought in 1 player, a player that has basically been Everton's man of the match in the game and a half he has played. At least now he knows the size of the job he has.

What was apparent to even my uneducated eye today (in football terms) was that we cannot have a team that contains Baines, Keane, Jagielka and Schneiderlin together. Far too slow and nowhere near enough physical presence!

John Pierce
296 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:16:14
It was hard to watch. The quips came at a rate which indicated how abysmal it was for sure.

However I can see Silva’s formation and style of play evident in each game we’ve played.

The chasm is the defence as many have rightly pointed to.

Asking players who are man markers to play zonal is tough sell.

Asking those players to play high without cover at full back is a big ask.

I can only imagine that Keane, Williams and Keane are place holders for the type of defender needed to play this type of footy.

The commitment to attack was there but never quite clicked, that is much nearer fruition than it feels.

So for me this despite some damning evidence to the contrary is not like Koeman, there is a plan and way to play, but we might be 5/6 games in until we see it happen.

Jay Wood

297 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:17:17
Ed @ 288.

I am aware they play in Ligue 1 and I accept the way I wrote what I did may give the impression they play at a lower level.

They are not, and have never been, a powerhouse of French football.

This is not a team we should be getting twatted 4-1 by.

Lev Vellene
298 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:17:23
Coleman should be the on-field captain! Jags is too nice for that, so let him stay on as club captain, doing the PR stuff. Let Coleman know he can kick ass (literally) as captain, and we might improve a lot.

For how long has Jags been captain? If he's still close to being the best liked player by the others in the squad, then he's failed his mission totally, when judged by our results on his watch!!!

There should be asses kicked on the field, not bowed heads stroked to share in their misery!

Michael Lynch
299 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:18:27
John, I agree about the "place holders" comment – I've thought that from the start. But we have very little time to fill those places. If we start the season with the same shite "place holding" then it doesn't matter if Silva is Pep, Jose, Sir Alf Ramsey and Jesus Christ rolled into one, we're going to be in the bottom three by Christmas playing this way.
Frank Kearns
300 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:21:33
11 blokes playing as a team beat 11 blokes who can' t be arsed, it's going to be a long and painful season – thank god me cataracts are getting worse!
Mark McDonald
301 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:22:28
Some of these players have played under Moyes, Martinez, Koeman, Unsworth, Allardyce and now Silva - 6 different coaches/managers!

I am sure we can all agree on the names. They have been shite, Some we should never have bought, some where finished years ago but now is the time for Silva and Brands to get rid of them.

Easier said than done, I understand. Who knows what this season will bring but I know one thing if we keep the bulk of this squad then it is going to be a long hard season.

Silva and Brands need time and a few more transfer windows unless we can move them on in the next 12 days and replace them with younger, quality players.

Kelvin Thomas
302 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:22:39
Blackburn and Rennes performances will allow Brands a brief Skype call to Bill and Farhad tomorrow morning confirming that £100m needs to spent over the next 12 days.
Michael Morgan
303 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:22:44
Now is the time for the club to be ruthless. Make it known that they will not stand up for this passionless pile of crap from squad.

Forget the new stadium, invest in the squad or we will have a shiny new stadium in the Championship. Premier League survival is key as gate receipts are pittance compared to tv money.

Do a Niasse to the waste of space players and keep them away from poisoning the players that play if we can't get rid.

- Stekelenburg
- Williams
- Jagielka
- Keane
- Baines
- Schneiderlin
- Gueye
- Sigurdsson
- Davies
- McCarthy
- Bolasie
- Mirallas
- Sandro

No more sentimentality, they should never have the privilege of wearing the Everton shirt again.

12 days (minus weekend as we never do business over a weekend for some reason) to get in:

Mina or other☆
Defensive midfielder☆
Box-to-box midfielder☆
Lookman or creative midfielder#

I see at least 4 priority marked as ☆
2 more if we still have time to do business marked as #.

Subs could be:

Or some promising kids from the U23s.

The players banished if can't be sold or won't leave, offer them a lump sum to finish contract early, if they don't accept. Have them on shit duty, cleaning toilets and other menial jobs, see how long they last.

John Pierce
304 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:24:47
Michael, if we start the season without replacements in those positions there, Silva must show us he can adjust.

Historically, his style and tactics don't necessarily suggest he will. Over to Brands really, a very early test of his tenure.

Paul Tran
305 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:25:10
When Martinez came, I hoped he would smash up the squad and overhaul it. He wasn't given the funds and couldn't manage what he had.

When Koeman came, I hoped he'd smash up the squad and overhaul it. He bought lots of players, couldn't blend them and ended up playing the old guard for their experience. Though I still think there was more to last summer than just Koeman.

We now have Silva, who has inherited an old guard of players 3 or 4 years past their best, players who never looked like they would win anything, regardless of the nostalgia on here.

Every good team has a spine. We need a left back, two commanding centre backs and a commanding centre midfielder.

The left back is coming and I hope he's as good as Mike Gaynes says. As for the others, a busy two weeks for Brands as it will be for Silva.

Derek Taylor
306 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:25:35
Knowing precisely SFA about Football, Moshiri echoed the wishes of the fanbase by trying to provide 'better football' than that that served up by Sam Allardyce. Totally ignoring the limitations of the squad left by Koeman (and Martinez before him), the 'owner' seemed convinced for some reason that Silva could turn all his geese into swans.

In truth, boring old Sam had seen the squad's limitations and had crawled into 8th spot by drilling and drilling those players into what we used to call KITANO.

With Silva re-introducing Martinez-style freedom, the inadequates have reverted to type and will surely bury him just as they did Martinez and Koeman.

I see no answer. This Walker-like manager can hardly be replaced much before Xmas and, given his record, with whom would Moshiri know whom to replace him?

Of course, Moyes would be proposed by Kenwright and the clock will be turned back 15 years. That's Everton 2018.

Michael Lynch
307 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:26:27

Not sure what Brands can do though. Didn't he say that as DoF it's not his job to set the tactics, it's the manager's?

Dermot Byrne
308 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:28:36
Chris #225 agree with "We just look so old and slow. This is going to be a 2 year project just to get competitive again."

I think that is the case whoever our manager now. Which league we may end up competitive in is the worry.

I could see us treading water with improved defence and just one creative midfielder.

Sam Hoare
309 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:31:04
Coleman Holgate ‘fast centre-back' Digne (apparently)
‘Fast box-to-box' Gueye Sigurdson
Walcott Tosun Richarlison

We're only 3 new players away from having a very decent first team hopefully!

Michael Lynch
310 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:31:42
Incredibly, the Echo report has got it spot on, echoing (sorry) a lot of what's been said on here.

Silva has two weeks to buy replacements. Looking at how long it took to get Richarlison sorted, and how long we've been trying to convince the two Barca defenders to join, I have very little optimism. We could well end up panic-buying or loaning at the last minute.

Paul Tran
311 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:32:36
John (#296), a voice of reason and sanity, but it must be backed up with some defensive nous and leadership, which will have to be brought in.
Ed Fitzgerald
312 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:32:54

I can understand your/our/all our frustrations with what we saw today and what I witnessed first hand at Blackburn on Thursday. All I am saying, using the evidence of my own eyes and the data at hand from last season, is that Rennes look like a pretty decent footballing side.

To be fair to Brands and the club, they are shifting players as fast as they can out of the club. Silva has said he needs at least six new players and we have been pursuing Mina since Colombia were knocked out of the World Cup. Given that we appear to be near to signing Digne, it seems that Brands and Silva recognise getting quality defenders is a priority too.

Koeman and Walsh's procurement strategy hangs like a millstone around our necks with inflated transfer fees paid and huge salaries to match – clearing them out will not be easy.

Gavin Johnson
313 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:34:14
Being brutally honest today, we were shite!! But people already calling for a replacement manager need to get a grip!!

It's still pre-season and, while there is some concern, until we've played half-a-dozen league games, these comments ain't helpful. We're already getting revisionism on Big Sam's tenure in some posts like he did a fantastic job. He didn't!!

Tony Everan
314 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:36:03
To me, it highlights the importance of the centre-back signing; without it we are in trouble. We need to try and trade Schneiderlin too and improve the centre-midfield. We need leaders in both positions. At the moment we have shrinking violets.
Derek Knox
315 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:37:17
Ed, spot on there, mate, Silva was not my choice, but what he has inherited and probably limitations on his budget, plus shifting the players on overpaid salaries — not easy.
Michael Lynch
316 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:37:26

To be fair, I think people are joking when they call for Silva's head. And Sam didn't do a fantastic job, nobody thinks that, but I do think a few people believe he did a competent job in difficult circumstances. I know that I do.

I'm really glad he's gone, and I'm looking forward to more exciting times to come, but Silva has surely known all along what he was getting here.

If, when we kick off at Wolves, we're still trying to shoehorn the likes of Keane and Jagielka into a system that they're completely unsuited for, then Silva takes responsibility.

John Kavanagh
317 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:38:53
We have allowed a few bad apples to make the whole barrel rotten. How Schneiderlin and Mirallas not only got away with disrespecting the club last season but are still being played beggars belief. Role models for our youngsters?

At least Moyes immediately got a grip by booting out a couple of liabilities, saving us from relegation. I fear that Silva is trying so hard to be a nice guy he is already being treated as a soft touch who can be ignored because he'll be gone by October. Sooner or later our luck is going to run out – and it's beginning to look like sooner.

I'm not one to be panicked by results in pre-season games, which are not a good indicator for competitive matches. But they do show what levels of commitment, fight, teamwork etc. we can expect. Little or none.

Tom McEwan
319 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:39:53
Didn't see the game and scrolled quickly through all the comments here. Tony Twist @253, fair play to yer fella, summed the whole sorry mess up in one post, especially the managerial appointment.

Also, please lay off the 'its only pre-season', 'Coleman should be captain' and 'give Silva a chance' shite.

As Tony said, (paraphrasing) the world and his dog must know what we need here judging from last season alone.

None of our problems appear to have been addressed, despite having now employed a 'super DOF' and a 'super coach'.

Talking of super coaches, I note Silva's agent is once again conspicuous by his absence after yet another 'shellacking'.

Come on, Stevie lad, explain to us mere mortals what's happening on the pitch?

Anthony Murphy
320 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:41:25
Tough season ahead. Three decent teams have come up so we will need to get our shit together and quick.

Centre-half essential and a striker to deputise for Tosun because if he gets injured or his form takes a massive dip, we will be fucked.

Jay Harris
321 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:41:32
We shouldn't be judging our standards by the likes of Rennes.

We should be judging by the top 6 and does anyone who has watched the last 3/4 years and preseason honestly believe we won't get twatted by all of the top 6.

However it is amazing the difference 3 or 4 quality players will make as well as Pickford and Walcott coming back.

One or two centre-backs, a midfield dynamo and a proper goalscoring centre-forward will transform us.

The problem is attracting them to a club that is no longer considered a big club in England let alone the rest of the world.

John Pierce
322 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:44:14
Michael, by "test for Brands" I mean his ability to get the players in to back Silva — or what's the point?
Steve Ferns
323 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:44:27
I’m at my father's bedside, watching him die.
Derek Knox
324 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:44:36
Tom, regarding Stevie, he's either at Southport, or got his head stuck in a fire bucket!
Tom Bowers
325 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:45:00
Silva will be gone soon at this rate.

Even if offensively they are still challenged, then surely the defence should be sound against a second-rate French team.

These are scary days, even if they are supposed to be warm-up games.

Things better get turned around in the next two weeks or Wolves will be licking their chops on 11 August.

Derek Knox
326 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:45:30
Sorry, Steve, no offence meant, mate!
Steve Ferns
327 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:47:35
I saw bits of the game but I didn't see what was happening. I'm sure it'll be alright once the season starts. Moshiri will release funds and Brands will sign players.
Dave Lynch
328 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:48:27
Let's be brutally honest here lads.

It's not looking too good is it!

There appears to be no pattern or plan to our play and the old guard look jaded and not interested.

I fear a season of twatings no matter who we get in at this late stage.

Albert Veldhuizen
329 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:49:29
If someone can make a rice table out of shite he will be the manager we need.
Derek Knox
330 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:51:52
Steve, Silva has one he'll of a task, on today's performance alone, there were no real options on the bench, Richarlison was brilliant but can't do it on his own. The defence was almost non-existant, as the midfield too, weak up front.
Paul Tran
331 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:52:32
All the best, Steve Ferns. Family comes first.
Jay Wood

332 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:53:46
Ed @ 312.

Silva and Brands have inherited an extremely difficult situation, in a World Cup year, with a shortened transfer window. They have my sympathy. I am not judging either on what is still pre-season.

Nor can we judge what kind of squad we will go into the season with once the window shuts, although the clock is ticking rapidly on the time available to us to improve it.

I agree with you 100% when you say 'the [past] procurement strategy hangs like a millstone around our necks' and that clearing out some of them will not be easy.

I was very firmly in the camp that we do have talent in the squad who can benefit from being properly coached. Sadly, there is very little evidence of that to date in this pre-season.

Today provided no reassurance that the insipid nature of last season's team has been exorcised under the new management. In spite of all the enthusiastic interviews given by players since Silva arrived, we look as distant as ever from appearing to be on the cusp of an upturn in our fortunes.

John Audsley
333 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:54:43
We where rotten today, the boss has a hell of a job sorting this lot out.

Steve – Your knowledge and opinions are a big part of why ToffeeWeb is such a good site. All my love and care for you and your family.

Tom Evans
334 Posted 28/07/2018 at 20:56:01
Steve, I truly hope you are using an analogy with regards your last post.

If you are not, then accept my sympathies.

Les Bainbridge
335 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:04:54
The only thing wrong with this team is a lack of pace. The fact we haven't got it in all the important areas is really worrying.

It doesn't matter how good a coach Marco Silva is, without pace, we will get taken apart every week. We've got 2 weeks to address this or relegation is a distinct possibility.

Jonathan Tasker
336 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:07:23
This is what will happen next:

Pickford will be sold to the highest bidder.

Tim O'Connell
337 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:07:44
Stating the obvious defensively we are appalling. Unfortunately we chose the wrong one last year with Keane rather than Maguire. Clearly at least one centre-back is fundamental but I still struggle that Schneiderlin and Gueye can play together.

Some positive but unless we sign a centre-back ASAP it is going to be a horrible season. This is still pre-season but has shown that there is an enormous amount to do

Rian Magee
338 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:07:49
Mark (#301) agree totally.

Michael (#303) pretty much my thoughts on the squad too, although I'd personally strike Pennington off the subs bench... I haven't seen enough out of him to merit it, but you're pretty much bang on.

Ach lads, all this "Silva should have known from watching clips" is nonsense. I get the premise of it but that's like saying watch some videos of Senna and you'll know how an F1 car performs and what you need to change and tweak.

You'll learn nothing watching clips of players under another manager, under totally different instruction and tactics to your own. Does anyone really doubt that Silva now has a firm grasp of the shite he has to deal with... I certainly don't.

He was never my first pick but he's our manager and I can see glimpses of what he's trying to do. The problem is too many of our players either can't be arsed or just aren't able to to it... or both. That's the reason so many of us have been saying the same thing under 4 different managers. That lets you know the common denominator is the players.

M and M definitely have their work cut out... not so much polishing a turd as rolling it in glitter. I don't expect miracles and honestly this is a long-term project. It'll take 4 good windows to make the changes to the squad that are really going to make a big impact in terms of properly moving us forward. Fingers crossed the deals that are being worked on and negotiated get across the line soon.

Oh and Tom (#319) Coleman should be captain ;)

Pat Kelly
339 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:08:54
If Silva can keep this bunch of overpaid has beens up it'll be a major achievement. But I don't think they can play his style of football. Or any for that matter. And we can't replace them quickly enough so we better get used to the frequent hidings.
Lev Vellene
340 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:11:30
Sluggish defense, not backed by anyone when the wide-backs went running forwards... central midfielders too close, and none properly moving backwards to fill in for the wide-backs when they went forwards.

Are we doing zonal marking, or not? Keane went haring off to the front post on both of the first goals, leaving emptiness where the scorers came in...

Frank Crewe
341 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:13:03
Now we know why we are after Digne and Mina. A couple more defenders besides them wouldn't hurt either. Jagielka and Baines have an excuse. They're basically clapped out.

But I hoped for a lot more from Keane. What a disappointment he is. If all we bought for the rest of this window were defenders, you wouldn't hear me complaining.

Steavey Buckley
342 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:20:10
John (#292),

All Silva had to do before getting the Everton job was to read the comments on ToffeeWeb then he would have hit the ground running, and got shut and bought quality, pronto. Now with 2 weeks to go, he is in difficulty already.

Jagielka, Baines, Schneiderlin, Mirallas and Sandro are all fancying their chances of playing week-in & week-out. What a mess!

Rian Magee
343 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:20:35
I share your view, Frank.

We obviously need strengthening elsewhere but if we brought in nothing but quality defenders this window, it would be a damn good start.

Amit Vithlani
344 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:22:06
The only crumb of comfort I take is that this is still pre-season and therefore Silva can make adjustments to the line-up and tactics to improve the horrendous showings to date.

That said, it will be poor judgement from the manager to continue with the same names and tactics in the hope that somehow things will click.

I am also of the opinion that there is no point trying to integrate certain players. The experiment with Sandro has failed – remember also that this is a player who went public in his desire not to want a return to the club when he was on loan. Mirallas too was not exactly complimentary so I am not exactly sure what kind of message to the rest of the squad it sends when these two are still given game time and deliver zero.

Williams meanwhile had never spoken of leaving the club but his disgraceful sending off against Burnley really should have been the end of his Everton career. We know he is no longer Premier League quality but he also has form in his petulance – remember the Lyon fracas.

Lastly, I really wanted Schneiderlin to recover his excellent early form but it is apparent that he is still capable of completely stinking out the gaff. It is bewildering that our expectations of him are so low that when he plays average (like he did against Blackburn) he ends up being lauded. Again, to me, it sends out a bad message to the squad that by simply not being utterly useless, you can earn plaudits.

I hope Silva realises that he needs to jettison these 4 players from his plans now. We do have enough cover for them, and the injured players will also be making a return. Furthermore, hopefully re-enforcements via the transfer market will be arriving soon.

The time for second chances is over and Silva must become more ruthless from here on if he is to have any chance of imposing his beliefs on these players.

Danny Baily
345 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:22:48
It's already too late for any new centre-back and left-back we sign to hit the ground running.

If we don't recruit them then there should be uproar from the stands first home game.

Pat Kelly
346 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:25:02
Maybe Digne has signed as reported elsewhere. But why would Mina after hearing about this capitulation. He doesn't need his career dragging down by this lot.
Paul Birmingham
347 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:30:19
Last of The Summer Wine! Rank, and as the transfer window across Europe gathers pace, I can't see how we can attract any decent player.

How much did the Renne side cost? We can't find our level and no way can the two centre-backs start the first game.

Time has caught up with Jagielka and Keane should stick to cricket. He has no bottle and panicky, and overall I can't see any clear communication on the pitch, within the team

I'm being realistic but the season ahead is gonna be very tough. So much at stake and the team has not found any level.

Not SOS, time, but some soul-searching to be done the next few days.

Seamus to be captain or even Pickford as they both do care, but in Richarlison, there's genuine hope. But he can't do it on his own.

Bar a miracle, I see a dogfight of a season ahead...

Philip Bunting
348 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:30:52
Meanwhile, Accrington Stanley beat Blackburn.
Don Alexander
349 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:40:57
Amit (#344),

I think you've hit on something with the four you name and maybe one or two others. Unfortunately that arch-skiver Ferguson is the only one at Finch Farm still on the first team coaching staff, although Unsworth may have an opinion worth listening to on what truly went on last season and the one before that, and the one before that come to that.

I said when he got the job that Silva would have to be Messianic to finish eighth this season and nothing I've seen thus far gives me any confidence of a second coming.

Mike Barrett
350 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:42:20
Sorry, Steve Ferns, the season starts in less than a fortnight... it won't be alright unless your beloved Marco Silva can perform miracles — which he can't!
Steve Ferns
351 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:42:42
Thanks guys. Appreciate it. Dylan Thomas springs to mind at the moment though.
Derek Knox
352 Posted 28/07/2018 at 21:49:42
Our thoughts are with you, Steve!
Pat Kelly
354 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:13:17
At the end of the day, it's only football. There are much more important things. Best wishes to Steve.
Chris Watts
355 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:13:53
Aside from being too old, it is glaringly obvious the majority of this squad do not have the right attitude. While I was watching today I was wondering what Roy Keane would be saying to his teammates throughout the match. Probably pop a vein in his head. Pickford and Coleman, we need 11 of those. Richarlison seems to really give it a go as well

If we don't get 2 centre-backs – neither Keane, Jagielka or Williams should play for the first team again – we're going to be ripped apart by Man City, Spurs etc. Not only were they slow today but they can't pass and you need ball-playing centre-backs these days.

Another observation is that the modern game doesn't really lend itself to older players. Years ago, a good player could use his positional sense and experience and modify his game. But players are so athletic and fast now it's a young man's game.

Stephen Davies
356 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:15:17
We can replace all the players we want... But, without any leaders in the team, we are rudderless on the pitch.

Quality as well as Leadership is what we need

Christy Ring
357 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:18:22
Welcome to EFC, Silva... and Koeman is to blame for what he inherited. How can you criticise him when our best player was the only player he bought? A lot of work needed before the deadline.
Steve Ferns
358 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:19:03
A massive part of what Everton meant to me goes with him. My first thought was always to call him to discuss the game, signings or whatever. I’d be ranting about pre-season now, and he’d tell me it’s only pre-season and not to worry, you don’t win anything in pre-season.

He’s also the reason I’m a blue. He had at Wembley in my first season (1984) at the age of 5, the first of nine times he took me to Wembley in just 5 years.

My dad wasn’t a big match going blue though. He was an excellent footballer in his own right playing for St Helens Town in the Northern Premier League when that was the fifth tier (before the football conference) as well as the Fords Works side. After winding his football career down he dropped to a lower standard and played for St Francis Xavier’s Old Boys so he could play with my mum’s brothers and his mates.

He went a lot as a lad in the 60s and early 70s. He’s regaled me with many a story from those days and what it was like being a blue.

One memorable game for me was Everton v Derby one Boxing Day, Walter Smith era. It was memorable because it was 0-0, and neither side had a shot on target or a real chance. “That’s me Stevie,” he said, “I’m not paying to watch them again”.

I forced him to get corporate tickets for us, one last time before he retired. Can’t remember the game, it was Martinez era and I think it was Newcastle and we smashed them in a meaningless end of season game. We spent a short time having a chat and a photo with mountfield.

After that I took him to a couple of Koeman games but he didn’t enjoy the dour football and he was never one for sitting for long periods.

He was a good blue, even later in life when he said it didn’t matter to him anymore, he still watched all the games on his firestick on the sly. He always knew what was happening. Even yesterday he said to me, “looks like your mates off”. “Who dad?” I asked wondering who on Earth he could mean, Pickford he said! I was away from ToffeeWeb for long enough to drive up to see him, that happens and he knew about it first!

I can’t believe as I typed that, that was only just over 24 hours ago. I’d gone home last night still believing in a miracle, and today well let’s just say the result reflects things perfectly. There’s also been storms raging and that kind of feels appropriate.

Thanks for your thoughts and prayers. Especially Dave. ToffeeWeb has been a perfect distraction so thanks for being there for me without realising it. I just hope none of you ever have a loved one get pancreatic cancer. It’s the most brutal and ferocious thing anyone could get. It even took down the fittest and strongest man I know.

Matt Ferris
359 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:19:06
I wonder how many will be wishing we kept Fat Sam come September... ???
Derek Knox
360 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:23:59
God bless you, and your family, Steve!
Paul Tran
361 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:32:44
Thanks for sharing that, Steve. Cherish your memories and keep talking about it.

Hope your Dad gets the chance see a decent team from his new grandstand seat.

Sam Hoare
362 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:34:36
All the best Steve at a difficult time.
Martin Janes
363 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:34:53
The problems are easy to solve:

Sack Jagielka as captain and sell him.
Make Coleman captain.
Sell Williams, Keane, Geuye, Schneilderlin, Sandro, Bolasie and Martina.
Put Davies on the bench.

Buy two central defenders, a creative midfielder (Arteta type) and one other quality striker.

We are revisiting the same problems as last season because we have not tackled the glaring problems.

Leadership has gone... so replace, defensive frailties need replacements; a strong creative midfield spine is needed.

We need a manager who has the balls to look past the training field performances and interpret what happens on the field on the day of the match.

Be ruthless, Silva, and you will be rewarded.

Will Mabon
364 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:35:12
Best of luck with it all, Steve. Much of what you said could've been referring to my dad. He passed 18 years ago. He tried (pretended) to distance himself from what was happening to the team from the Smith era but inside, he was Everton like the rings in a tree.
Don Alexander
365 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:40:41
Best wishes Steve, your Dad sounds a diamond. RIP sir.
David Israel
366 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:42:30
William (#233 to #248), you have made yourself perfectly clear.
Brent Stephens
367 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:43:30
Steve, only just noticed this. Condolences.
Steve Ferns
368 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:43:44
Thanks guys. He's not gone yet. The battle is lost and I'm just sat with my mum waiting for the end. He didn't want to go in the hospice. He was angry we even took him there. >

He's in his bed fighting with everything he's got, maybe he can see out the weekend, but I just want him to go peacefully, I can't bear watching him suffer.

Charlie Lloyd
369 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:44:07
Steve Ferns,

I've not commented for a while on ToffeeWeb. I was just too agitated for my own good.

However, tonight I am. My thoughts are with you, Blue Brother.

Tony Everan
370 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:46:59
Steve, I know how shocking it is to lose a parent to cancer, it is all too much to bear. Wishing you and your family all the best.
Brent Stephens
371 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:49:09
Sorry, Steve. I misread and jumped the gun. Thoughts with you, anyway.
Kase Chow
372 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:49:17
Steve Ferns,

Puts everything into perspective. I wish you and your family all the best, pal.

Fran Mitchell
373 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:50:04
Didn't watch, but read through some of the comments and it doesn't take a genius to find the problems.

Stek elenburg is not up to even being a back-up.
Baines is not good enough.
Jagielka is not good enough.
Keane is not good enough.
Schneiderlin is not good enough.
Sandro is not good enough.
Tosun will be back-up at most.

I feel none of these have a role in the first team and all command wages that back up /reserves don't deserve. Get rid.

We need 2 defenders beyond Digne, I'd go for Mawson and Mina. If Mina doesn't come a big money offer for De Ligt would be interesting.

In midfield, we need an enforcer. Someone big and dynamic. We also need an Arteta-like playmaker. Maybe that Zakaria can be the former, and a punt on someone like Quintero for the latter would be potentially fantastic.

Another striker is also needed, maybe Pavon from Boca could provide real class.

All very unlikely and a tough season awaits.

Paul Birmingham
374 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:51:02
It seems the team doesn't know the meaning of a team, don't know EFC, don't play for the team the club badge, the fans... it's chronic that the very basic human requirements in any team game, which are needed like banter, elan, care, passion, positional sense, awareness, and fight are lacking.

This squad bar half a dozen are not fit for purpose. I'm starting to think what the hell do they coach at Finch Farm.

I fear this season, will be unforgiving and as the old phrase is “we got battered” will happen even more than last season.

The clock is against us. The battle to save the season is on, like no other.

No thoughts about the other shower, but this team, bar a miracle will be exposed, ruthlessly, and the anti, is that the few gems, we have will be open to inducement and poaching.

EFC, C'est La Vie... Fekken take the pee, again and again. But 2 weeks to bankroll pure class or buy some very rough diamonds.

Another epic ahead...

Common TWs, like never before, we must unite for the epic battle ahead.

Does anyone see any semblance of a decent team and shape so far this pre-season?

Gordon Crawford
375 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:51:57
So sorry to hear that, Steve. I lost my mom to cancer, it was very fast and brutal. Praying for you and your family. May you all find peace at this very painful time.
Martin Janes
376 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:52:13
We had a chance to strip this team back to a basic shape early in the transfer window. Instead, the manager got pulled into the "I can make you great" game. What a plonker.

Three weeks left and the transfer window will zip by. We've left it all too late.

Get rid of those I listed in my past message, please, Silva.

Peter Mills
377 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:52:28
Steve – this is the toughest of times. Very best wishes to you, your Dad, and all your family.
Ste Traverse
378 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:55:00
"We need Moyes back now"

"Bring Allardyce back fast"

Plus plenty of other rather dubious comments on this thread.

It's amazing what whoppers we have following us these days...

Paul Birmingham
379 Posted 28/07/2018 at 22:59:03
Steve Ferns, my thoughts, hopes and prayers are with you and your a family, at this terrible time.

It just shows how much we love EFC, but family comes first. It puts life, in perspective.

The Very Best, Steve and Family.

Jack Convery
380 Posted 28/07/2018 at 23:01:13
You can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear. Martinez, Koeman, Unsworth and Allardyce have all tried and failed. This squad will do for Silva too if Brands is not up to the job of shipping the crap out and getting better hungrier players in pronto.

I expect nothing from the Wolves game as I do for most of the away games this coming season. Home form will decide our fate and, right now, that is very much in the air.

Though my gut tells me bottom 6 is where we will spend most of the season, unless real quality is brought in very very soon and those in the squad who are poisoning and stinking the place out are shipped out or loaned out asap. Moshiri's arse must be squeaking like there's no tomorrow.

This might also explain why Usmanov is considering selling up at Arsenal. EFC may just be on his radar.

Jay Harris
381 Posted 28/07/2018 at 23:13:43

Sincere condolences. I've just seen my dad pass from being invincible to dying with pneumonia and you're right to want him to see peace but he will know when he has had enough and will go in his own good time.

My dad was buried on Thursday with full Everton honours, not a red flower in sight, and the Everton crest on his coffin. Beautiful service at SFX church in Salisbury Street.

Just treasure all the wonderful memories he has given you and know that when he goes he won't be suffering any more.

All my sympathy, mate.

David Israel
382 Posted 28/07/2018 at 23:20:36
Gavin (#290), it's not as bad as that. We actually have until the end of August to offload any players to clubs outside England.
David Israel
383 Posted 28/07/2018 at 23:21:53
Steve Ferns, my thoughts are with you and your family.
David Barks
384 Posted 28/07/2018 at 23:26:29

If I can just offer a slightly different view while also being fully empathetic of your correct situation. A few weeks ago my wife’s father, whom we were incredibly close with, killed himsef. We didn’t know he had a gun, complete shock. No last goodbye, we’re all completely devistated while having to figure out how to move forward while now inheriting the responsibility of caring for her Mother.

So all I can say is, treasure every last minute and second because it is quite awful when that time is gone. I wish you and your family nothing but the best through this challenging time. We just wish we would have been able to say goodbye and let him know how loved he really is/was. Take care.

Everton Caetano
385 Posted 28/07/2018 at 23:29:47
Infelismente os problemas permanecem em nosso clube, sofremos com a síndrome de "clube derrotado". Alguns jogadores que possuímos nunca ganharam um titulo em suas carreiras e são popstars no EFC.

Enquanto atletas do nivel de Cuco Martina estiverem no clube sermos motivo de zombaria.

Nós, evertonians no Brasil, estamos muito tristes e envergonhados. COYB

Brent Stephens
386 Posted 28/07/2018 at 23:32:58
Everton Caetano (#385) — you took the words out of my mouth.
Paul Birmingham
387 Posted 28/07/2018 at 23:33:20
Life, Family, Time is precious. Let’s make the best of every day, and be thankful.

We are all EFC true and blue, but life and family count first.

All The Very Best TWrs. Hope Eternal and Peace Ever Lasting.

Michael Lynch
388 Posted 28/07/2018 at 23:50:53

My thoughts are with you. My father died earlier this year – those last few days were very strange, caught between wanting it not to happen and hoping for a swift and merciful end. It takes its toll on you, so look after yourself.

Derek Knox
389 Posted 28/07/2018 at 00:00:57
Brent, I am very impressed by your knowledge of Brazilian Portuguese, please, I allow you to interpret for all of us!

ps: No help from Jay on this one.

James Stewart
390 Posted 28/07/2018 at 00:03:43
A long road ahead... The whole defence bar Coleman and Holgate need culling. Keane and Williams are car crash players and jags and baines are sadly finished. A relegation defence and a piss poor midfield, worrying in times indeed we have no spine.
Jerome Shields
391 Posted 28/07/2018 at 00:04:49
Everton Caetano (#385).

I agree with every word you're saying. I can't understand a word of Portuguese but really get a gist of how someone who supports Everton and speaks Portuguese could express their total disappointment and despair, as only they could. . .

Ian Burns
392 Posted 29/07/2018 at 00:12:18
Steve Ferns,

I have only just picked up on this thread and I would like to add my thoughts and prayers for you and your family at this hugely difficult time. Hang tough, Steve.

Eric Paul
393 Posted 29/07/2018 at 00:14:37

My thoughts are with you and your family, over the next weeks and months when you think of your dad the same thoughts that bring a tear to your eye now will eventually bring a smile to your face.

Ian Burns
394 Posted 29/07/2018 at 00:17:45
We lose 4-1 to Rennes, Liverpool beat Man Utd 4-1.

All I can say is at least Silva knows he is out of time and he and Brands just have to act without delay.

He has probably gone to bed tonight thinking "Where the hell am I going to find 9 first team players in less than two weeks?"!

Jason Broome
395 Posted 29/07/2018 at 00:21:20
The only surprise is that people are surprised! It's the same team from last season.

So... expect the same results!

Will Mabon
396 Posted 29/07/2018 at 00:22:37
But..., but, Jason... Silva!
Jason Broome
397 Posted 29/07/2018 at 00:26:30
Steve Ferns...

May God be with you, your father and your family.

David Morgan
398 Posted 29/07/2018 at 00:26:33
We need midfielder's first not strikers or defenders. Two defensive midfielders and one floating attacking midfielder means there are zero people in the middle running the game and keeping possession and creating chances and attacks.

We have done this for the last few seasons, we keep changing players but as long as we start with two defensive midfielders we have lost! Zero defensive midfielders or one max and then have two creative midfielders running the game. (So we need to buy two centre midfielders fast.)

Derek Knox
399 Posted 29/07/2018 at 00:29:54
James, while I appreciate what you are saying, culling is not always practicable. Most of these players are on long contracts, equivalent to winning the lottery several times over. In most cases earning far more than they are worth, so who is going to come in and take them off our hands?

Even banished to the reserves they will still receive those salaries.

Silva was not my choice, but having said that, I do intend to back him, in fact I feel sorry for him, in that the squad he has inherited, seem reluctant, even at this early stage, to produce a modicum of commitment.

Let's also be fair to Silva, the one transfer to date, Richarlison, has outshone them all both in skill and application.

There is something inherently wrong at Everton, and has been so for years, can't quite put my finger on it, but poor decisions at Boardroom level have left us in the state we find ourselves in now.

David Israel
400 Posted 29/07/2018 at 00:37:06
Some clear signs of desperation among Evertonians. Some have even reached the point of posting in foreign tongues on TW!
Derek Knox
401 Posted 29/07/2018 at 00:42:06
David, Je sais trop bien!
David Ellis
402 Posted 28/07/2018 at 00:49:33
Something went wrong with the spirit of this team about 18 months ago. About the time Schneiderlin arrived. Correlation is not probative but just saying.
David Israel
403 Posted 29/07/2018 at 01:07:00
Derek, anch'io!
Derek Thomas
404 Posted 29/07/2018 at 01:11:48
The game is, as it always was, won and lost in the midfield. We don't have one, we have a collection of individuals playing individual roles... and playing them poorly too.

Until we get a midfield unit, a collective unit that works, flows and supports its self, as opposed to the said collection of shite individuals, who play a la the Chuckle Brothers... me to you, you to me, usually backwards or sideways, then the defence and attack will continue to be weak.

The game is won and lost in the midfield, did I mention that?

Rob Dolby
405 Posted 29/07/2018 at 01:17:44
Derek 404 spot on. The midfield don't score enough goals or protect the defence.

I would be happy with Drinkwater and Spurs Dembele.

Derek Knox
406 Posted 29/07/2018 at 01:21:13
David Ellis, I think you have hit one of the nails on the head.

I thought maybe Mirallas may too have been included.

I would not disclude Ashley Williams either, these are all allegedly, senior pros, but such a bad influence.

Bill Watson
407 Posted 29/07/2018 at 01:23:36
Steve; my thoughts are with you, your dad and your family.
Peter Thistle
408 Posted 29/07/2018 at 01:40:29
2 new Center backs, 2 new center midfielders needed or we are doomed.
Jay Wood

409 Posted 29/07/2018 at 02:07:24
Steve Ferns, like others in this thread I know what it is to watch a much beloved parent suffer a debilitating illness which you and the medics are helpless in arresting or reversing.

I know what it is to hold their hand as they finally succumb to the inevitable. The numbness. The confusion. The conflict that the person who was always there for you has been taken from you, against the relief that their pain and suffering was finally at an end.

You will be seeing and hearing your dad on every street corner you walked down together. You will have speak-aloud conversations with him in an empty room. You will have moments of deep sadness, moments of rage, moments of uncontrollable, inconsolable tears. You will have moments of tranquility, quietly smiling to yourself at a wonderful memory. You will have moments of belly-aching laughter at other memories.

It is why you are his son and why you inherit the role of torchbearer from his flickering embers to continue to illuminate your own path with all the shared memories and lessons learned with him.

Peace be upon you, your father, and mother.

Soren Moyer
410 Posted 29/07/2018 at 02:19:01
I would only keep 3-4 of the current squad. The rest are garbage and should be binned!
Ed Prytherch
411 Posted 29/07/2018 at 02:30:55
Steve, I am impressed that you have continued your thoughtful posts while you have had your dad's failing health to deal with. It is great that you are so proud of him.
Paul Ferry
412 Posted 29/07/2018 at 02:31:17
Ah Tony Marsh (#263): you couldn't make it up really:

'The recent CEO appointment is another sick joke. Yet another example of jobs for the boys'.

Remind me, Tony, how far is Bramley-Moore Dock from the Pier Head?

Tom Fazal
413 Posted 29/07/2018 at 02:36:43

Sadly, had that experience watching my father pass away. I wish you and your family strength to find your way through the coming hours.

Words are so inadequate at times like this and I wish I could be as eloquent as you when you post here.

My thoughts are with you and your family,

Soren Moyer
414 Posted 29/07/2018 at 02:41:43
Steve, I wish you courage and strength during these terrible times. I know well how you feel as I've been there myself.
Phil Sammon
415 Posted 29/07/2018 at 02:43:26
Forget the debate over Baines, Jags et al. We urgently need Williams & Schneiderlin away from this club. It’s hard to blame them entirely, but these two terrible footballers have no redeeming features. Every time they go near that glorious Blue shirt I feel my love of EFC decline.
Darren Hind
416 Posted 29/07/2018 at 02:58:39

As you know, I lost my own dad to pancreatic cancer. It was only when you named it as the charity of your choice that I realised, that up until that point (many years later) I had not done a single thing to support the fight against it. That has since changed, but it was only by your drawing attention to the charity that I realised there was something I could do.

There are no words for you today son.

Look after your mam.

Ernie Baywood
417 Posted 29/07/2018 at 03:02:15
I'm hoping this is the effect of overtraining... it's almost impossible to judge right now.

One thing I can say is that this club could really do with a boost right now. Confidence is such a precious commodity – and it feels like a long time since we had Roberto's feel good season. Bring me sunshine indeed.

We've had a substantial change at the club. Logic tells you we go backwards at first so maybe we shouldn't feel too concerned. Just give me something to feel good about, Everton.

Ernie Baywood
418 Posted 29/07/2018 at 03:04:52
And Steve, all the best to you and your family at this time. It sounds like you're the same age as me, and your Dad a similar age to mine. You've put some beautiful words on here today.
Paul Ferry
419 Posted 29/07/2018 at 03:28:06
Steve Ferns, I'm so sorry for you and your mum. You convey with such dignity what your dad means to you. Take care.

Deep condolences, Jay Harris.

Michael Morgan
420 Posted 29/07/2018 at 04:12:55
Steve Ferns,

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family during these sad times.

Bill Gienapp
421 Posted 29/07/2018 at 04:20:52
My condolences as well, Steve. Lost my dad to a rare form of cancer and, sadly, at a much younger age (I was only 24). It's times like these that show what a great community ToffeeWeb is though... even if we drive each other crazy most of the time.
Ron Marr
422 Posted 29/07/2018 at 04:44:46
Steve Ferns, thoughts and prayers for you and your family at this time. God bless.
Jamie Crowley
423 Posted 29/07/2018 at 05:29:10
Steve Ferns - in the most bizarre fashion of a life ending, I held my Dad's hand while he died. He had necrotizing fasciitis. He got a cut on his leg and was gone in four hours.

I know this sounds morbid and my apologies if I'm being too forward, but be with your Dad now and if he has the ability to know you're there, it's precious. He saw you into the world, see him out if this is his time.

Prayers will be sent from America at Mass tomorrow.

God bless. My best to you and your family.

Jamie Crowley
424 Posted 29/07/2018 at 05:31:41
Jay Harris my condolences as well. I just read your post.

The Crowley's will pull a double-header prayer effort tomorrow.

Sad day on ToffeeWeb.

Paul Kelly
425 Posted 29/07/2018 at 05:57:37
Just breezed through the thread and well, all I can say is condolences to you Jay and your family ( not a red flower in sight and Everton crest it) “.

Steve, words Fail me at times like these, so, prayers are with you lad, you and your family. Take care.

Michael Morgan
426 Posted 29/07/2018 at 05:58:10
Jay Harris,

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family during these sad times too.

Brian Porter
427 Posted 29/07/2018 at 06:05:46
Steve Ferns, thoughts and prayers are with you at such a sad time. It's almost 42 years since my Dad passed away but he is still in my thoughts daily. Hopefully you will have enough good memories of your Dad to carry in your heart forever.
Paul Ferry
428 Posted 29/07/2018 at 06:20:02
Beautiful post, Brian Porter.
Brian Porter
429 Posted 29/07/2018 at 06:25:46
Steve Ferns, thoughts and prayers are with you at such a sad time. It's almost 42 years since my Dad passed away but he is still in my thoughts daily. Hopefully you will have enough good memories of your Dad to carry in your heart forever.
Steve Brown
430 Posted 29/07/2018 at 06:49:07
Steve Ferns, my thoughts and prayers with you and your family. I have been through this particular illness with a family member so understand how tough a time you are having. You captured beautifully your relationship with your dad and I vividly remember that dire 0-0 on boxing day against Derby, as it was the first game I ever took my son to. Unbelievably, he decided to return!

Jay Harris and David Barks, my deepest condolences on your losses. As for the football, not worthy of comment compared to these posts.

Steve Brown
431 Posted 29/07/2018 at 06:53:24
Paul @ 412, apparently the journey from the Pier Head to Bramley-Moore docks is a very long way rather than the 5-10 minute car journey it takes you and me. Pack supplies and bring a dog sleigh team if it's December!
Amit Vithlani
432 Posted 29/07/2018 at 07:08:17
Jay Harris and Steve Ferns, another long distance blue family here sends our prayers to you both. You have been excellent contributors to this site and I am saddened by the difficult moments you are both experiencing.
George McKane
433 Posted 29/07/2018 at 07:56:41
Steve Ferns:Football unites us - - hearts beating together - - I remember my Mother and Fathers Death's and what Everton games they affected.

"CAN I see another’s woe,
And not be in sorrow too?
Can I see another’s grief,
And not seek for kind relief?

Can I see a falling tear,
And not feel my sorrow’s share?
Can a father see his child
Weep, nor be with sorrow fill’d?"

Jerome Shields
434 Posted 29/07/2018 at 08:10:38
The Club that changed Everton:

From Wikipedia-

Rennes was founded in 1901 under the name Stade Rennais and is one of the founding members of the first division of French football. Alongside Nantes, Rennes is one of the top football clubs in the region and the two are among the main clubs that contest the Derby Breton. The club's best finish in the league has been fourth with the club accomplishing this feat on four occasions, most recently in 2006–07. Rennes has won two Coupe de France titles in 1965 and 1971. After winning the Coupe de France in 1971, Rennes changed its name to its current version.

Colin Metcalfe
435 Posted 29/07/2018 at 08:11:56
My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family Steve .
Stephen Brown
436 Posted 29/07/2018 at 08:14:21
Steve and Jay,

Best wishes from all your fellow Blues!

Christopher Timmins
437 Posted 29/07/2018 at 08:31:24
Steve, he is moving on to a better place and he will be rewarded for his suffering over the past period. Keep battling away lad.
Tony Everan
438 Posted 29/07/2018 at 08:34:15
Silva will have learnt a lot, it is as clear as can be.

Central Defence needs a quality addition someone with pace, strength, and stature, someone who can organise, motivate and inspire the players in front of him and the defence alongside him. Silva’s got 11 days to get him.

Centre Midfield, our midfield have been a bunch of strangers for far too long. It needs to be a cohesive fighting unit. We need a player to lead the midfield and be the driving force of the team. We have too many bridesmaids at the club .

We need true leaders and organisers in both the above positions or we will suffer the indignities we are seeing for another season .

CB is a massive priority, no1 for this window.

Centre Mid is not far behind . Move on Schneiderlin ( he could do a good job for someone) and get the right man, with the right attributes in for our team.

PS I am assuming the Digne deal is done, he is maybe having seconds thoughts .

Justin Harris
439 Posted 29/07/2018 at 08:40:09
I've only just started posting on here but wanted to say to both Jay and Steve that thoughts are with both of you and your families at this awful time.
Lenny Kingman
440 Posted 29/07/2018 at 08:46:29

The odds on blue relegation at skybet have come tumbling in from the 175/1 you mentioned to 33/1.

Maybe our esteemed leaders have taken out insurance on the worst case scenario.

Phil Greenough
442 Posted 29/07/2018 at 08:52:44
Having read the live forum and this article's opinions, it's obvious that football isn't that important in the great shape of things.

My thoughts are are with Steve Fearns, Jay Harris and David Barks, wife and family. I'm sure there were a couple of others who had recently experienced bereavement, apologies for not recalling your names.

As I write, my sister is taking my dad's ashes to be scattered on a lake in the forest of Bowland. He passed in April, unfortunately through possible medical negligence. I take comfort that he lived to a good age and was relatively fit and active, till the day before he went into hospital.

Everton, are being typical Everton. Since my first game against Altrincham, they have always been the same. The trials and tribulations will continue, just as they did in the early 80's and then the 90's.

It could be worse though. At least we don't start every season by saying "This is our year, we'll win the Premier, we've got........" Fill in the blanks to suit.' Then come May, their disappointment is fulfilled.

Just like every other team in the Premier League, we have no entitlement to win it or avoid relegation. However, I've been lucky enough not to experience it, hopefully this season will be no different.

Dave Abrahams
443 Posted 29/07/2018 at 09:01:17
Steve, so sorry for you and all the family, football is pushed to one side at times like this, I hope you get your wish and your dad goes peacefully, you might get a bit of constellation from some of the messages on here, God bless you and your family in the coming weeks.I'll say a prayer at mass this morning for all of you.
Dave Abrahams
444 Posted 29/07/2018 at 09:09:10
Consolation I meant Steve, in my post.
Christy Ring
445 Posted 29/07/2018 at 09:19:57
Steve, my prayers to you and your family, at this heartbreaking time.
John McGimpsey
446 Posted 29/07/2018 at 09:21:57
The team is so full of has-beens and phonies, it is unreal. Crazy the way some of us slated that useless lump Davies and were roasted. Don't get me wrong: lots need moving on but boy is this kid a bag of shite.

Shame those who turned on Ross were not quick enough to realise the problem was not him but the staff and shite he was surrounded with. I would have him back in a shot! And 'shot' being the word I'd use for maybe 10 others.

Long road ahead, boys, hopefully Walcott back and a partner for Holgate alongside Digne may give us some hope.

Derek Knox
447 Posted 29/07/2018 at 09:22:15
Tony Everan@438, spot on there, you only need one weak link in a chain for it to fail, when you have more than one it's a disaster waiting to happen.

As you so rightly pointed out, the midfield are like strangers, and as for Centre Back?

I have harboured a feeling for a long time that Schneiderlin is a bad influence and should be nowhere near the starting line-up, some would argue that he has improved of late, admittedly so, but as soon as the Transfer window shuts he will revert to type.

It's looking increasingly likely we wont get Mina, apparently Manure are sniffing now, surely he's not the only option. I still maintain Alfie Mawson would be a great addition to the team, he has Prem experience, gives 110% every game and is solid.

Ash Moore
448 Posted 29/07/2018 at 09:29:14
It is pre-season but I'm also sure at no time was getting thumped 4-1 was a part of the plan. Worse, Silva is burning the very little capital he had with the fans and we will likely start opening day on the back foot.

This squad of players have seen off manager after manager; I've said many times that this isn't a squad but some Moyes players, some Martinez players, a large group of Koeman players and even a tiny Allardyce contingent, and some young lads. They play like they've never met each other; and have little interest in playing together in the future.
I'm out of ideas, short of spending another two hundred million on players. That is not going to happen. How does anyone get a tune from this lot; they are nowhere.
Wolves really looms and it already is assuming a lot of importance. Judgment, one way or the other, is coming.


Jay Harris
449 Posted 29/07/2018 at 09:35:45
Thank you so much for your sentiments lads.

It has not been a great week for Evertonians.

George, lovely words.

Roy Steel
450 Posted 29/07/2018 at 09:50:12
Whoever said that guy Keane is a footballer needs his head examined.

I've just seen the highlights he's an absolute embarrassment, a nightmare which has already happened.

Silva needs to ship him out ASAP, big Shaun Dyche must be having a giggle at our stupidity...

C'mon blues.

Andrew McLawrence
451 Posted 29/07/2018 at 10:03:07
Blackburn 3-0 Everton, Blackburn 0-1 Accrington, our level that!
Gerard Carey
452 Posted 29/07/2018 at 10:03:36
Steve, thinking of you and your family at this time, take care.
Jamie Evans
454 Posted 29/07/2018 at 10:13:16
Jay and David, my deepest condolences to you both.

Steve, God bless mate. Take care of yourself and your loved ones.

Merle Urquart
455 Posted 29/07/2018 at 10:16:11
If any of Jagielka, Williams, Mirallas, Scneiderlin and sadly Baines start against Wolves we get everything we deserve this season
Paul Birmingham
456 Posted 29/07/2018 at 10:21:04
Jay Harris, my sincere condolences to you and your family at this time.

I lost my dad the night before we whacked Chelsea, 3-0, Naiseys hatrick, coming up for 3 years ago, in September.

Life’s never the same, but I took great solace in life time memories, many of which was going the match.

Sean Kelly
457 Posted 29/07/2018 at 10:21:21
To play a 4-3-3 with the full-backs bombing forward, we need a fit James McCarthy. Alas.
Colin Glassar
458 Posted 29/07/2018 at 10:23:15
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the malaise begins and ends at the top of the club. Stick Guardiola in as manager and nothing will change.

The club is rudderless and has no standards or ambition. The manager(s) know that, the players know that, and some of the fans know that. Everton is an easy touch for any mercenary, slacker, journeyman out there. Remember, we are a family and family accept you – no matter how shit you are.

Merle Urquart
459 Posted 29/07/2018 at 10:50:03
Paul Birmingham, (#374),

I completely agree... the massive elephant in the room here is that we can all see this, the opposition can see it... but it appears no one at the club can... and so the band plays on, playing the same out of tune tune with the same tired old musicians.

We are sleepwalking into another nightmare season here and it's going to be the same old unlucky has-beens who are going to let everyone down.

Gordon Crawford
460 Posted 29/07/2018 at 11:02:06
Jay, so sorry to hear of your loss. Praying for you and your family.
Ajay Gopal
461 Posted 29/07/2018 at 11:05:32
Steve, my thoughts with you and the family. I hope your dad goes peacefully with his happiest Everton memories. Your post reminded me of my own dad's passing 24 years ago. Much more sudden and did not get time to say my goodbyes.

My happiest sporting memory with my dad was when we (India) won the cricket World Cup at Lords as underdogs against the then-mighty West Indies in 1983.

Condolences, Jay Harris. You are both such important contributors to TW.

James Marshall
462 Posted 29/07/2018 at 11:12:47
I haven't read the thread, but did watch the game and from what I saw, if you're going to play with both fullbacks pushed right up the park all game, you're effectively playing with only 2 defenders in Jags and Keane.

Now we can all blame the defenders all we like but all their goals came on the break, and the first 3 were all from wide areas because we have zero cover down our channels.

If people want to point the finger, then it should (in my view) be pointed at the manager for the system he's trying to play. It was suicidal football ala Martinez. You can play the 2 best centre-halves in world football if you have them but if you play that system they'll still get skinned and concede goals.

I don't rate Keane, and Jags isn't the player he was, but without any help it isn't actually their fault.

Peter Gorman
463 Posted 29/07/2018 at 11:22:12
Disagree James, there were plenty of people back to cover each of their goals if only they could be bothered to break out of a jog or mark.
Denis Richardson
464 Posted 29/07/2018 at 11:23:50
Steve, Jay — my sincere condolences to you both.

Was going to post about the game but seeing your posts made that irrelevant. Hope both your fathers find peace.

Dave Williams
465 Posted 29/07/2018 at 11:52:27
Steve and Jay – a rotten time for you both. Most of us on here will have watched a parent slip away and no words can make it seem better. Time and memories of great times with them will do the job and you will still feel them with you for years to come.

My thoughts are with you both – Shankly was wrong – there are more important things in life than football.

Gerard McKean
466 Posted 29/07/2018 at 12:37:46
I came on expecting to read some very angry posts after the latest debacle but it makes me proud to be an Evertonian when I see the time and care and love that people have given to a fellow Blue in his moment of need.

Steve, it was a pleasure to meet you recently at John’s 80th and I think I know exactly what you’re going through. Lovely words from George and I’ll add my own prayers to those of Dave.

Mark Taylor
467 Posted 29/07/2018 at 12:43:39
I can only hope that the argument that pre season is no indicator of what will happen when the football starts in earnest turns out to be true. But it really does feel as though the club is on the edge of a meltdown right now.

To Steve and Jay, I add my sympathies. I suspect quite a few on here will also have the empathy of having gone through this themselves, myself included. It's a lifestage thing, unavoidable in the end, though that does not make it any less desperate to deal with, when it's your turn.

Good luck.

David Israel
468 Posted 29/07/2018 at 12:50:44
Jay Harris, my sincere condolences. May your father rest in peace.

What you and Steve have shared with us puts everything in its proper perspective. We are all going on about how poor Everton have been and here you are, both of you, going through such a terrible time...

Mal van Schaick
469 Posted 29/07/2018 at 13:07:45
As an Evertonian of 50 years and seeing the money being paid to this bunch (aside from 2 or 3), if I was the owner, I would call a meeting between the board and the manager, and then after that, the board, the manager and the players.

The manager has to make clear his intentions of culling this squad but, with 11 days to go until the transfer window closes, it could be too late.

Aside from Coleman, no pace in the back 4. No heart or passion from some players, and no natural leader.

There has to be a shouting match to clear the air, get rid of the deadwood, and spark some fight.

Alasdair Mackay
470 Posted 29/07/2018 at 13:19:03
We have no pace at the back. That is why we can't deal with the counter attacks.

For all his obvious on-the-ball ability, Schneiderlin lacks desire and, crucially real pace as a cover man for advancing full-backs. McCarthy could do this job, but for the 8 months of the season he is always injured we need someone else.

At centre-back, Holgate is injured, Keane turns slower than milk and our other options are in their mid-thirties. These are the two biggest glaring mistakes made by Koeman for me.

Pace is such a big part of the game for so many Premier League sides, but we can't cope with it defensively. It may be a long season, but I think we have the right team in place to fix the problem.

Ed Fitzgerald
471 Posted 29/07/2018 at 13:32:24
Losing a loved one puts everything into perspective even our illogical devotion to EFC. I both empathise and sympathise with Steve Ferns, Jay Harris and David Barks and my thoughts and prayers are with you and your families at this sad time.

Nicholas Ryan
472 Posted 29/07/2018 at 13:34:12
I echo the condolences and good wishes, to jay Harris and Steve Ferns. Having lost my Mum and my Brother-in-law in the last few months, and my Dad being seriously ill; I have some idea of what they're going through.
Nev Renshaw
473 Posted 29/07/2018 at 13:35:06
Oh God. It's going to be another long debacle of a season for us.
Ray Atherton
474 Posted 29/07/2018 at 13:54:53
Steve, my thoughts are with you and your family.
Also other fellow Blues on ToffeeWeb.
Soren Moyer
476 Posted 29/07/2018 at 14:26:43
Sorry for your loss, Jay.
Bill Griffiths
477 Posted 29/07/2018 at 14:47:12
Steve, so sorry about your dad, my thoughts are with you. Puts yesterday's result into perspective somewhat.

It was lovely to meet you at John's birthday and how we all get to meet up again sometime.

James Marshall
478 Posted 29/07/2018 at 14:50:58
Peter @463

The point is that we let Rennes get into the position for the first 3 goals, regardless if there were then players chasing back for the incoming cross, and the 4th was also scored on the break when Baines & Coleman were out of position.

When we have the ball we play with 2 at the back which is madness – it will be our downfall this season, and I can't fathom why nobody else noticed it time & again yesterday.

If you're going to play with fullbacks pushed all the way up the field for every attack, you need cover at the back and we don't have it. Suicidal football.

James Marshall
479 Posted 29/07/2018 at 14:51:53
If Silva wants to play with Baines & Coleman pushed up, he should be playing 3 centre-halves – simple.
Andy Walker
480 Posted 29/07/2018 at 15:06:26
Only Pickford, Coleman, Walcott and Sigurdsson would stand a chance of getting into a top 4 or 5 team's squad.

I said the same all last season and still believe this is the case. We have a new manager who may get a bit more out of what we've got, but fundamentally the players simply aren't good enough. Davies, Kenny, Keane, Gueye, Niasse, Bolasie, Martina, Williams, Ramirez, Holgate, Pennington never have and never will be good enough by my reckoning.

We need 2 centre-backs, a left-back, and a midfielder that can pass and run with the ball. These 4 would be a bare minimum recruitment for me. Otherwise, we'll see a very similar season to last, I think.

Dermot Byrne
481 Posted 29/07/2018 at 15:16:52
Steve and Jay: a sad time for you both. Condolences.
Neil Wood
482 Posted 29/07/2018 at 15:18:54
Andy... think your point is reasonable but I think you're wrong about Holgate. Class act.
Joe McMahon
483 Posted 29/07/2018 at 15:19:46
Andy, sadly from the squad it's just Pickford. No one in the top 6 tried to sign Theo even though he's a quality player. And not even Huddersfield would want Baines et al.
Neil Wood
484 Posted 29/07/2018 at 15:22:10
Jay, Steve... much love ❤️
Steavey Buckley
485 Posted 29/07/2018 at 15:24:56
"Defensive concerns"?

Everton have had defensive concerns since Moyes left Everton 7 seasons ago.

Neville Jones
486 Posted 29/07/2018 at 15:25:47
Jay and Steve, my condolences, we might be strangers but we are part of the Everton family. All our thoughts are with you.

As for the game, I am very worried about our defence. If this is the best central defence we can put out, we start to panic. Add to that, a goal, failure to put the ball in the back of the net and we look in deep trouble.

Last 2 games, 1 scored, 7 conceded against teams we should be beating. The 1st 2 goals were from breakaways but so simple. Our central defence is too slow, the gaps are there for everybody to see.

We badly need a central defender, Digne a welcome signing if it happens but we are really short in the middle. We have available Jagielka, Keane, Williams, Pennington and Holgate. Of these, the first 3 our experienced players are the least reliable. Williams might as well go, poor and slow, a last resort at the most.

Jags a great servant and excellent but sadly too slow. Keane, plenty of ability but very inconsistent, poor in the game, can only pray that he improves. Pennington has some promise but very inexperienced. Holgate, who hasn't played recently, probably our best and most consistent defender and has pace; otherwise sadly lacking.

The worst indictment in the match came in the second half when the commentator said he started behind Jags and Keane but finished ahead of them, when scoring – say no more. Let's get Mina or someone who can plug the gap.

The worse decision made (not picked up by anybody) was letting Funes Mori go, a good consistent left sided defender hard to come by who got injured, clearly a big mistake. Scores the occasional goal and brilliant at corners.

As for the rest, Schneiderlin dreadful, Gueye looking good, Davies again only a squad player at the most, Cenk looking in need of sharpness as is Gylfi. Mo Besic generally good should have come on for Gueye. Sandro working hard, never stopped, lacking in a little quality but worth a place on the bench. Niasse continues to try and is worth a place in the team because he scores and is often hard to handle.

Best player and the only one with real creativity was Richarlison.

John Audsley
487 Posted 29/07/2018 at 15:44:11
A team builds from the back.

We have a world class keeper but only Coleman is worth is place in the back 4. A midfield of Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin and Gueye on paper should be excellent but they are performing very poorly, no understanding whatsoever. Richarlison has huge promise; Walcott can only get better; and Tosun is an excellent finisher.

The main problems are no leadership on the field, players who have failed for 3 or 4 managers been given places they don't deserve and the formation we play. I honestly think we need to dump the 4-3-3 and play a tighter 4-5-1.

We have to become hard to beat and tough to get through; we can beat Wolves on the opening day but 4 -3-3 ain't working.

Play 4-5-1 with the players below against Valencia, be hard to beat – a touch like 2004-05.

Pickford – World Class
Coleman – Captain and only verbal leader
Baines – Best we have
Holgate – Can only improve
Jagielka – Ancient but so much better than Williams
Walcott – Pace to burn
Gueye – Tackle like fuck
Schneiderlin – Who else have we got
Sigurdsson – Class, play behind Tosun
Richarlison – Skill and pace
Tosun – Work your balls off and take yer chance

Matthew Williams
488 Posted 29/07/2018 at 15:46:06
Just two points to make:

1. We're crying out for a Midfield General, so sign Aaron Mooy; we also need a box-to-box Midfielder, so sign Ben Pearson of Preston... £20 million would bag 'em both... central midfield... Sorted!!!

2. Can we please stop playing games wearing all Blue... we always get fucking tonked!!!

Joe McMahon
489 Posted 29/07/2018 at 15:50:53
Steavey Buckley (485), I posted the results below on another thread but even in the Moyes days there was many defensive (and low-scoring) shockers. IMO by far the best defender we have seen at Everton for years was Joleon Lescott.

Shrewsbury 2-1 Everton (the year they were relegated to the conference)
Everton 1-4 Blackburn
Dinamo Bucharest 5-1 Everton
Everton 0-4 Bolton
Everton 1-4 West Brom
Everton 0-1 Oldham
Everton 0-3 Wigan
It goes on and on... 12 games at Anfield: zero victories

Susong Hermawan
490 Posted 29/07/2018 at 15:51:49
Hahaha, good shot, Steavey (#485).
Tony Abrahams
491 Posted 29/07/2018 at 16:16:41
I've been away for a couple of days, and although it's virtually impossible, I do try and stay away from reading about Everton sometimes.

To read what Steve, has told us about his dad, is really sad news, because he still had a lot of hope when we met for John's birthday only two weeks ago.

I'm gutted for you, Steve, and hope all the messages you have been getting can offer you a bit of comfort during such dark days, mate.

Cancer, just the mention of the word is enough to send shivers down anyone's spine, and getting back to Everton, Silva and Brands have got to remove something similar from our squad, because if they don't, we all know how horrible the outcome can be.

Jay Harris and David Barks, my deepest sympathy also goes out to you both.

Mike Gaynes
492 Posted 29/07/2018 at 16:26:08
Steve, just awoke to your news. Deepest condolences, my friend. Wishing your dad a peaceful transition, and strength to you and your mother.

Jay, heartfelt sympathies to your and your family as well. You are no doubt already feeling, as I did 26 years ago today, how much the world has changed when your dad is no longer in it.

My wife is the leader of an international Buddhist prayer group online. I'm not of that faith, but the Buddhists do have a different and fascinating perspective on death that is might comforting when one is in extremis, as I was a couple of years ago. If you gentlemen would be willing to post your fathers' names here, my wife will add them to the group's daily prayer list and their souls will be chanted for (and candles lit) by thousands of people worldwide.

David Barks, deepest condolences to your wife and family as well.

Tony, regarding your sentiments on cancer, Amen.

Mike Gaynes
493 Posted 29/07/2018 at 16:33:40
Andy (#480), I strongly disagree on Gueye and Holgate, both excellent IMO, and I'm amazed that you're ready to give up on Kenny and young Davies at ages 21 and 20 respectively.
Terry McLavey
494 Posted 29/07/2018 at 16:40:34
It seems rather trite to talk about Everton with what Steve and Jay are going through but blessings to you both and your families and sincere condolences.

I mentioned on the forum yesterday during the debacle on the pitch, why do we employ managers that have failed elsewhere? We really need a winner as a manager but l have doubts we will ever attract one.

Do we have the right players and wrong manager or the right manager and the wrong players? I'm now at a loss to know what it is. Something is radically wrong somewhere and I seriously wonder if we will survive this season.

I now rarely get excited when we score, and l am not surprised when we lose; in 60 years of supporting Everton, that has never been the case until now.

Ray Roche
495 Posted 29/07/2018 at 16:46:52
Steve, Jay and David, I'd like to echo the sentiments offered by other ToffeeWeb contributors and give my condolences and best wishes to you all.
Terry McLavey
496 Posted 29/07/2018 at 16:49:17
I'm sorry I missed to give condolences to David Barks in my post. Love and condolences to you and your family at this difficult time, David.
Len Hawkins
497 Posted 29/07/2018 at 16:49:38
I echo the thoughts to Steve and Jay, it is a very sad time.
Peter Mills
498 Posted 29/07/2018 at 17:03:21
May I extend the good wishes I have expressed to Steve to include Jay and David – peace be with you.
Jack Convery
499 Posted 29/07/2018 at 17:06:05
Condolences to both Steve and Jay. Keep strong for those around you and they will do the same for you.
Tony Page
500 Posted 29/07/2018 at 17:11:29
Unless someone gives these fuckers a monumental kick up the arse, I fear we are going into a season of relegation battles. I hope that doesn't happen but, if it does, please God it's realised quickly before it's too late.
Tony Page
501 Posted 29/07/2018 at 17:18:17
Best wishes Steve, Jay and David.
Darren Murphy
502 Posted 29/07/2018 at 17:41:30
Steve and Jay,

Keep strong lads and prays to you both and your family's, unfortunately I know too well the affects of Cancer, Older brother and first born daughter at two.

Condolences and best wishes to you both at this time.

Mike Gaynes
503 Posted 29/07/2018 at 17:49:25
Darren... at two?


Very early in my treatment, when I was feeling a bit sorry for myself, a nurse walked me through the pediatric oncology wing. Saw the kids, and the parents. Devastating.

Never felt sorry for myself again. Also never had the courage to go back in.

Julian Exshaw
504 Posted 29/07/2018 at 17:57:26
It seems ridiculous to comment on football while others are grieving so I won't. I will say though that Steve and Jay, you have an extended Everton family wishing you strength at this time. God bless.
Tommy Surgenor
505 Posted 29/07/2018 at 17:59:03
Same situation here.
I had just turnt 30 when I got my diagnosis.

Walking through the wards seeing younger than me in there was both heart breaking and very humbling. They seemed to have been dealing with the treatment/situation a lot better than I was.

I’m two years post treatment now. Havnt been back to Goodison in those 2 years due to a mixture of fatigue and finances.

Promised myself this incoming season that I’ll make the trip with my soon to be wife. So I’m hoping Steve’s faith in Silva is justified and that it allows me to enjoy an entertaining game with a home victory!

Seems like we are made of stern stuff.

I would also wish to extend my condolences to both Steve and Jay. For what it’s worth, I do feel that we at toffeeweb are an extended family and I look forward to reading everyone’s comments.

Kim Vivian
506 Posted 29/07/2018 at 18:08:15
Haven't read all the posts by any means but I have to say I am glad I am in Portugal and not glued to these preseason games at home. Seems very abject and pessimistic for yet another season.

Someone please tell me I am wrong.

Mike Gaynes
507 Posted 29/07/2018 at 18:09:36
Tommy, with both Goodison and matrimony ahead of you, you have a lot to be grateful for. Congratulations on coming through it.

I'd been a US Blue for 30 years when I got sick, had never been to Goodison and came very close to missing my chance. When I caught a fortunate remission and made the trip, it was the experience of a lifetime thanks to the overwhelming welcome from the TW contingent. And I saw two wins!

Planning to come back this season as well.

Alex Parr
508 Posted 29/07/2018 at 18:12:32
Steve, I hope you are okay, pal. My thoughts are with you and your family at this difficult time, mate.
Chris Corn
511 Posted 29/07/2018 at 18:37:46
Steve and Jay thoughts are with you. Albeit some time ago now, we lost my father-in-law and my dad's partner within weeks to that horrible disease and we still feel the loss now. Tommy @505, I hope you get to make the trip back to Goodison this season.

As can be said for us all on this forum, I don't agree with everyone but there is a lot of honesty from what I imagine are passionate, well-grounded Evertonians. Sadly, that is what is missing in our club now. The Moshiri era has just bought a load of poisonous Footballers Wives style caricatures such as Schneiderlin into our midst. He and Mirallas should never have kicked a ball for us again after last season's training incident. That is just one example of many.

We are also allegedly getting held at arms length by two Barcelona reserves whilst they await 'better offers'. Fuck them off and move on.

Give me a squad full of Coleman's any day. At the risk of sounding knee-jerk, our club seems rotten to the core at the moment and I fear a long season ahead.

John McFarlane Snr
512 Posted 29/07/2018 at 18:46:44
Steve and Jay, my thoughts are with you both at this sad time, I understand the pain you are going through, we lost our daughter to cancer at the age of 44, ten years ago.

While football plays a part in our lives, that's all it is [a part], and it's at times like this that we realise that are more important things happening all around us. Best wishes to you and your families, John.

Mike Gaynes
513 Posted 29/07/2018 at 18:57:44
Chris #511, for accuracy's sake, we are NOT "allegedly getting held at arms length by two Barcelona reserves whilst they await 'better offers.'"

According to all reputable reports, Digne was targeted by two clubs, us and Juve, but Juve has not put in an offer and Digne is flying to England today for a physical and signing with us tomorrow. (Assuming he's flying nonstop LA to Heathrow on either BritAir or Virgin, his flight would depart in about four hours from now and land around 10am tomorrow UK time.)

And Mina and his father are awaiting a statement from Barca management on whether Mina is in their plans before considering any offers, including ours. Barca's acquisition of Lenglet appears to close the door on Mina, but both are with the club on their current US tour.

If you're interested in tracking these, the most reliable English-language source/aggregator for Barca news is

Jay Harris
514 Posted 29/07/2018 at 18:59:22
Thanks to everyone for your condolences.It does bring home what a close knit community we are despite differences of opinion.

John he reminded me so much of you with his knowledge of football and the stories he was able to tell me.

He died on 15th of July before I was able to get here. I wish I had made more effort to get over for your birthday drink but was holding on for his 92nd birthday in September. We gave him a good Everton send off though with only blue and white flowers allowed, an Everton crest on his coffin and a tour round Goodison in the hearse before he was laid to rest.

He is now at peace with me mam as she was affectionately known and would have loved all the people that came to see him off.

Jay Harris
516 Posted 29/07/2018 at 19:00:46
Mike as our lucky mascot I suggest we hae a whip round and arrange to fly you over for every game.

It seems like we will need all the luck we can get this season.

Jay Harris
517 Posted 29/07/2018 at 19:09:02

I thought Mina didn't travel with the squad but that was about a week ago; maybe he has now joined up.

Christy Ring
518 Posted 29/07/2018 at 19:11:44
My deepest sympathy Jay, to you and your family.
Steavey Buckley
519 Posted 29/07/2018 at 19:14:17
Joe McMahon (#489) The best full back partnerships since Howard Kendall were formed under Moyes: Baines and Pienaar and Coleman and Mirallas. These were times when Moyes had to beg for money for transfers. In times of plenty, there are no excuses for defensive weaknesses.
Mike Gaynes
520 Posted 29/07/2018 at 19:14:41
Jay, actually you're right, Mina didn't travel with the squad. He was listed on the full roster last weekend but I just noticed he was not on the bench last night against Spurs. Apparently replaced at the last minute by young Cucurella.

Digne was listed among the subs, but did not play.

Chris Corn
521 Posted 29/07/2018 at 19:21:28
Mike, Digne may well sign but the reports were that the delays were because he was awaiting better offers. Therefore my trust in his commitment at a time when we are chock full of overpaid mercenaries is not at peak levels.

As for Mina, whatever happened to knocking on the manager's door and asking simply "Am I going to get a game?" What is his agent doing? He should be battering down the door to protect his clients interest.

In my eyes, that is being held at arms length by a Barcelona reserve. There are 11 days of the window left and if we let it play out, we will end up with no-one in a position that we are critically short in. To me that would be negligence and undermine Brands in his first proper test. I stand by every word of my post.

Ray Robinson
522 Posted 29/07/2018 at 19:30:59
Late to this thread, sorry. My deepest condolences to Steve and Jay. Puts things into perspective.
Stewart Lowe
523 Posted 29/07/2018 at 20:08:12
I would love to see us try and bring Steven Nzonzi to Everton. He is big and strong and is excellent at the box to box role that Schneiderlin is incapable of doing.

If we can get Digne over the line, followed by a Steven Nzonzi-esque central midfielder, and one good centre-back, because that Yerry Mina or not, we can then see how we fare until January where we can assess what more we need. Possibly a 20-goal-a-season player.

Stewart Lowe
524 Posted 29/07/2018 at 20:23:10
I think without question, the sooner Mirallas, Williams, Bolasie and Schneiderlin are gone, the better.

I can't help thinking that Mirallas and Williams are not just poor players, but bad influences on the rest of the squad. Sometimes, behind the scenes, you will get groups within squads and sometimes that can start mini-revolts if they don't like the way things are going. You can't tell me that these guys are round at each-other's houses and negatively gossiping, which doesn't help a squad.

Davies, in my eyes also has to be moved on. Blue or not, he is as lazy as they come. Already thinks he has made it, and has looked like taking his foot off the gas for at least a year. Bad influence. Just doesn't look like he cares.

Finally, what a breath of fresh air Richarlison is. He runs and runs, and chases lost balls. He uses his strength to get past players and tracks back to defend with excellent tackles too. The whole squad need to look at his energy and passion and mirror what he does, because he has shown more passion for a club he has no affiliation to in just one and a half games, it makes other established players look embarrassing.

Mike Gaynes
525 Posted 29/07/2018 at 20:32:16
Chris #521, I saw no such reports on Digne except one tweet by Paul Brown, and I've been reading everything.

Mina doesn't want to just get a game, he wants to be in the first team. His agent (his uncle) did ask. Nobody wants to leave Barca if they feel like they have a future there.

And generally speaking, if you're only interested in top-quality footballers who will drop everything and sign our first offer with total commitment without even considering potentially better offers from bigger clubs, you're dreaming. If Mina had snapped up our first (rumoured) £21m offer, he'd have missed out on what reportedly will be a £35m offer from Man Utd. And that would have been pretty stupid on his part, wouldn't it?

Finally, I strongly doubt Brands has every chip in on Mina. He'll have other CBs on his scope.

Ben Challenor
526 Posted 29/07/2018 at 20:51:36
I think if we start the season with the team we have now, we will be relegated.
Peter Gorman
527 Posted 29/07/2018 at 21:15:55
Anyone seen some of the other pre-season results? Spurs take Barca to penalties, Arsenal thrash PSG, the shite beat Utd.

So I guess in context we are doing fiiiiiine.

Jay Harris
528 Posted 29/07/2018 at 21:19:18
I see Fulham are on the brink of signing Mawson.

Would have liked us to see if there was a chance of them taking Williams back in part exchange but it looks like we have put all our eggs in the Mina basket.

Zouma is also off somewhere. He would have been worth a shot on loan.

I just hope there is planty of action in the next 6 days.

Tony Everan
529 Posted 29/07/2018 at 21:25:54
Jay Harris, David Barks, wishing you all the best too at a very sad time . Jay, I agree with you the Evertonian solidarity is here on display. We care. Regardless of what goes on, on the pitch, the Everton fans have great humanity and an indefatigable (Copyright G.Galloway) bond.

Jay Harris
530 Posted 29/07/2018 at 21:32:49
Thanks, Ray, Darren, and Tony and again everyone else. I feel a comfort on here that makes things a little easier to take.
Chris Corn
531 Posted 29/07/2018 at 21:46:55
I'm not really up for debating it Mike Gaynes. I know what I've read. It may be right; it may be wrong. The main point of my original post was to point out that we have lost our identity as a club when compared to the qualities displayed by the majority of our support.

What I will say, for the money Moshiri has spent/wasted over the last two and a half years on players and managers, I would have expected a couple of top quality players in amongst that lot.

Steve Ferns
532 Posted 29/07/2018 at 21:49:46
ToffeeWebber's, too numerous to name you all, I thank each and everyone of you for your thoughts and prayers. I told my mother and it meant a lot to her too.

It was a difficult night last night. My father refused a catheter and used all his strength to get himself to the toilet twice on his own. Today he rallied in the afternoon and was extremely lucid. He made me leave and go home. He even requested some food. The Cachexia has hold him and he has barely eaten a thing for 3 weeks now. It is this that is killing him. He sucked on an ice lolly (he couldn't actually eat anything) and had a glass of water and he had a good chat with myself and my sister, and so I adhered to his wish and went home and spent some quality time with my missus instead of "watching him" (as he put it). The man is so strong, so determined and refuses to give up. We know it's too late for a miracle now, and my mother just wants his suffering to end. But I am grateful we had a good chance to have a talk and it's like the strength of your thoughts and prayers helped. So I thank you all for that.

Mike that would be so lovely. My father is obviously still with us for now. His name is John Ferns.

Jay, your strength and dignity is an inspiration. I feel so angry all the time. When it happens I hope I can follow your example and that of Darren Murphy. I don't know how you got through that Darren.

Thanks so much all of you.

Don Alexander
533 Posted 29/07/2018 at 22:23:27
Steve, I lost my father to cancer in a similarly cruel way in 2001. I hope the love and support I received from him and the family gets you through the anger you're facing. At the risk of resorting to cliche, anger is the last thing he'd want you to feel pal.

Best wishes to you and Jay for having the guts to speak out publicly about something so many folk suffer in silence about. Only by doing so can you receive the support you deserve and may need.

Steve Ferns
534 Posted 29/07/2018 at 22:54:22
Cheers Don. Appreciate it mate. And don’t worry, I’m getting plenty of love and support.

The old fella said it all today when he told me to go home. He said: “you know I love you, and I know you love me”.

Don’t worry, I’m a strong guy. I’ve never been one to hide my feelings and so everyone knows what I’m going through, and is being supportive of me. Talking about things, getting upset, and getting past that feeling, it helps. So thanks Don.

Chris Jones [NZ]
535 Posted 29/07/2018 at 22:59:42
Stever Ferns

My thoughts are with you and yours. I guess if your dad is raging against the dying of the light, it's his way. As hard as it is for you, all you can do is love him for being him. Like others on here, I lost my old man fairly recently, but I got back to the UK too late to say goodbye.

My condolences and respect to all others on this thread who have shared their losses.

Kia kaha - stand strong COYB

Steve Ferns
536 Posted 29/07/2018 at 23:08:45
Cheers Chris. I’m gutted to hear you missed it and grateful I’m able to spend this time with my father.
Paul Mackay
537 Posted 29/07/2018 at 23:22:46
People on here now stating the virtues of Allardyce because we have lost a few pre-season games.

Get a grip, we are still in pre-season, we still have new players to come in and we know that we have to give Silva time to turn it around, it might take him a couple of years to get us ticking again.

Zero patience, you lot!

Tony Everan
538 Posted 29/07/2018 at 23:50:11
Sam Allardyce does not belong at EFC. He served a purpose and was well paid for it. That's it.
Rob Halligan
539 Posted 30/07/2018 at 00:35:19
Steve Ferns, so sorry to hear of your sad news. I love reading your posts on all things Everton. Your knowledge and understanding of the game is unbelievable.

It's not nice watching your parents leave this world. I had the traumatic experience of seeing both my parents and mother / father-in-law leave this world before my very eyes all in the space of three years.

The following YouTube clip was sent to me today, and I find it very comforting and very symbolic of life. I hope you, and many others, feel the same. Stay strong mate, and hopefully we can perhaps meet up soon for a pint or two.

Si Cooper
540 Posted 30/07/2018 at 01:17:33
Condolences, thoughts and best wishes for resilience and better things to come to all who have shared their poignant experiences on this thread.

On the football, I'm not happy that we aren't suddenly looking much improved but I guess, realistically, things could get a little worse before they get better. I wanted someone who could take us to the next level and that sort of transition isn't likely to be easy for a group of players who have fallen well short of what we all hope for. The older players are well on the downslope and I know each pre-season will be harder than the one before. Maybe some of them are pacing themselves a bit? It is after all, much more important that they are putting in peak performances when the season actually starts. Too early for me to judge Silva and Brands. A few more signings are a necessity and the impact of whoever they can attract will be a useful yardstick.

As for Sam Allardyce, the problem was not that he couldn't steady the ship long term, it was whether he could do much beyond that. Nothing has happened to change my belief that he couldn't.

Mike Gaynes
541 Posted 30/07/2018 at 01:21:45
Done, Steve.

The name John Ferns will be read tonight over the candles.

John Daley
542 Posted 30/07/2018 at 01:42:29
Steve Ferns and Jay Harris,

I'm not on here much these days, but stumbling across the thread-within-a-thread that has taken shape, I just want to say I am extremely saddened to hear of the situation you are both currently going through.

From interactions on here and reading your many posts over the years, the impression I have always taken away is that of a pair of strong, level-headed, characters. Those qualities will serve you well through this very trying time and are also a fine testament to the father's who surely helped instil them in you.

My own father passed five years ago now, from prostate cancer that had already progressed to his bones before he had even begun to suspect there may be something amiss. The last time I saw him, he was sat cursing the continual crapness of EFC after we'd watched them contrive to chuck away victory against the mighty Oldham in a turgid, televised, cup tie. Roused from a, seemingly permanent, soporific state by the superhuman urge to point out to his son precisely how shite Everton's performance had been. Like soft lad would, somehow, have failed to notice for himself and needed the more senior blue to hammer the severity of the situation home.

Kind of fitting, I suppose, as moans about Everton dropping multiple bollocks always had a monopoly on meetings between me and my old man. After a falling out, the first tentative step to getting back on good terms would generally be "did you watch the game?", followed by the sort of super-accentuated, disgusted, shared grimace Don Draper would have deemed absolutely perfect for that problematic 'Bag Of Shite' ad campaign.

Football was the one constant in our relationship, the common ground that kept casual conversation from grinding to a complete halt. Not that we didn't get on, or love one another, but there would have been a lingering undercurrent of awkwardness if togger was absent as a crutch. That was the entire reason I immersed myself so eagerly into all things Everton at a young age in the first place... to please my understand what made him tick that little bit better...and to stop him thinking I was such an annoying little tit.

When I was a kid he was a complete stranger to me, working abroad for years on end due to the mass unemployment on Merseyside during the eighties. Being a few years younger, my sister had it worse I suppose. I always remember us coming home one day to find our dad, unexpectedly, stood in the kitchen and him kneeling down to speak to her. "Do you not know who I am?", he said, noticing the slight confusion on her face. "Yeah", she replied with tears welling up in her eyes, "You're Thomas Magnum". Next morning the minty eighties tash was gone for good and my sister suddenly twigged her chances of cruising about in a Ferrari had followed suit.

Par for the course for my arl fella, it seemed no sooner did his plane take off then so did the previously terrible Kendall team. He missed the 84 cup run, the entire 84/85 campaign, and came back for the climax of 85/86 and then he wondered why I kept asking him when he was pissing off again as the start of the 86/87 season inched closer and closer!

He celebrated Everton's most famous victory over Bayern Munich in South Africa with another bloke from Huyton he had met over there....a fellow blue whose idea of 'partying' was punching a fucking monkey in the face, after being pestered to have his picture taken with it for a pitiful fee. Understandably wary of being bounced up and down by a complete loon in a scratchy footie top with a brand of shit spam emblazoned across the front, the hairy little fella had hissed a warning at the blue bellend, and this bloke went absolutely ballistic and started leathering it until my arl fella threw him aside. Suddenly surrounded by an angry mob, the pair legged it and split up, only for my old man to be left looking over his shoulder all night in fear of being pointed out later by a vexed vermaat with a fat lip. He was always more hesitant in buddying up with fellow football supporters after that, particularly if I was tagging along.

So many of my memories of my own father are intertwined with memories of Everton, both good and bad, humorous and hurtful and, honestly, I wouldn't have it any other way.

In fact, the very last words my arl fella ever said to me were "Coming round to watch the replay?".

I did, but my dad couldn't make it.

Steve, Jay, I apologise for rambling on.

If you have made it this far (and I wouldn't blame you if you haven't), I will hold my hands up. It's late, I have (obviously) had a few drinks and I am about to have another right now while raising a toast to you both, your families, your respective fathers and my own father.

Sincere best wishes to you and your loved ones. Take care.

Jim Knightley
543 Posted 30/07/2018 at 02:30:54
Very sorry to hear about your situation, Steve. My thoughts are with you and your family.
Darren Hind
544 Posted 30/07/2018 at 05:45:25
Jay Harris

My sincere apologies. I was in and out of this thread yesterday morning and only noticed Steve's sad news.

Deepest sympathies to you and yours during this difficult period too and of course to David B.

Hugh Jenkins
545 Posted 30/07/2018 at 06:57:01
Steve, Jay, Dave B and any other TW's who are presently in a similar situation, my thoughts and obviously those of many others on this forum, are with you.

My father died of lung cancer in 1980 and even after the passage of almost 40 years, I can still recall and feel his suffering.

No matter how well prepared you think you are, the event itself still brings a sense of shock, grief and loss.

Time is however, the healer and as many others have said, if, as seems clear, you have enjoyed a good relationship with your Dads, the happy memories will soon start to outweigh the immediate sadness at your loss.

Ciaran O'Brien
546 Posted 30/07/2018 at 10:03:52
Sorry to hear Steve, Jay and anyone else who’ve lost loved ones because of Cancer. I lost my mum to lung cancer 7 years ago and I was only 20 at the time. She was only young too at 60, so it was really tough. She got diagnosed In October 2010 and she died 6 months later in April so it was quite fast.

It was a rotten time because my Granny, my mums ma died only 3 months before my mum on New Years Eve.
Cancer is a total bitch and to see my mums deteriation over those six months was heartbreaking.
Now my Dad is in the early stages of Dementia so it’s been a rotten 8 years or so.
Chin up though guys because your grief will heal in time.

Kim Vivian
547 Posted 30/07/2018 at 11:07:52
Condolences as well from myself to you guys. Heartfelt sympathy.
Ironically it was the passing of my old man in the 70s also from pancreatic cancer when I was 17 that led me to being an Evertonian. He was RN and worked on the Polaris submarine project at Camell Lairds back then we were transferred to Portsmouth where I watched Pompey every week in th old 2nd division so when he passed we were able to return to the Wirral where I became friendly with an old guy from Bromborough who was a true Blue. Of course once you start going to Goodison the fix is made and I son realised that I had long been chosen - just not found my way to the Old Lady yet.
So now I suffer through the years with all the rest of you, and do my best to spread the Blue Gospel wherever I go. Currently in the Slgarve with a bunch of Spud and Gunners who are a great bunch but not responding to treatment just yet. 4 days left to work on them.
Anyway onwards and upwards. There's no real words to say to those bereaved other than to be strong and remember and celebrate lives lived as best as possible.
Kim Vivian
548 Posted 30/07/2018 at 11:07:53
Condolences as well from myself to you guys. Heartfelt sympathy.
Ironically it was the passing of my old man in the 70s also from pancreatic cancer when I was 17 that led me to being an Evertonian. He was RN and worked on the Polaris submarine project at Camell Lairds back then we were transferred to Portsmouth where I watched Pompey every week in th old 2nd division so when he passed we were able to return to the Wirral where I became friendly with an old guy from Bromborough who was a true Blue. Of course once you start going to Goodison the fix is made and I son realised that I had long been chosen - just not found my way to the Old Lady yet.
So now I suffer through the years with all the rest of you, and do my best to spread the Blue Gospel wherever I go. Currently in the Slgarve with a bunch of Spud and Gunners who are a great bunch but not responding to treatment just yet. 4 days left to work on them.
Anyway onwards and upwards. There's no real words to say to those bereaved other than to be strong and remember and celebrate lives lived as best as possible.
John Wilson
550 Posted 30/07/2018 at 11:24:22
Steve Ferns

I am a Christian; I prayed for you and your family on the weekend when I heard your father was very ill, soon to pass.

So sorry to hear about your family, one lawyer to another. It's so difficult what to say for even the most articulate of us on this TW to offer you any comfort through the medium of words. But football aside, we all have human compassion when there are these personal matters is when even Evertonians put away our football even for just a moment, as family always comes first. As the bible says, there is a time for everything.

As a Christian I/ we believe that we will one day meet our lost ones in a dimension that we call 'heaven.' I know that many others on TW will not hold the same views. I am not shamed to mention Jesus - rather I am proud to. The only thing I care about it is that I may not do His name (Christianity) justice - I am not perfect; I am just human and make mistakes. If I could offer you something in this time Steve, it would be a hope you will see your father again some day in the same way that I/ we - as Christians - believe that we will see and be with our (lost) families again some day.

On a sporting note, I always look forward to your comments on Everton as we generally get a brilliant balance especially as lots were unsold on Silva; and to be fair, with the pre-season form some of us probably still aren't. As a lawyer, you're as passionate for your client/s rights just as you are passionate about your Everton - although both things are on different levels. All of us on TW share your love of Everton but can relate obviously when it comes to family, especially family who are very ill. We put sport to the side to help each other as our families will always come first. As above, there is a time or season for everything.

Time as others have alluded on here, on a different note, is also a great healer. I look at time like pictures from the past; a string of human events, it might be said. Time is so precious for each of us because as humans relative to time itself we live but moments. We, as Christians, believe God is infinite; outside time; no beginning and no end.

On a personal level I ask God to give you and your grieving family this time for His (Jesus) peace; His deep shalom which transcends all human understanding.

[We as Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit are one albeit they each have different jobs to do (The God-head). I trawled through Hansard public record, as you know where judges go to see what Parliament intended for the law. If you go back to about 1950 you will see them mentioning God. If just shows you that when we go through travail (suffering), even the brightest legal minds in our land believed would likely have believed in God.]

I pray that you and your family will be strengthened in this grief period/ time. You also have your memories from time with him which no one can take. Apparently memory is just recorded experience but it is powerful to reproduce past events: brain recorded voices, ie laughter, emotion, and 'the good and bad times.' You and your family will always have your father in your memories.

God bless, Steve

Jay Harris
551 Posted 30/07/2018 at 11:46:02
Thanks once again for the condolences lads and so sorry to hear of the suffering that others have been through.

The one thing that this thread has brought home to me is how united we all are and as divisiveness increases around the world we should harness this emotion and turn it into a united force behind the club, manager and players.

We all think we see the answers that the club and others don't see and opinions are important but the only thing that really matters is success on the pitch and for that to happen we need to be united as the twelfth man and inspire some of the lesser performers to up their game.

John you didnt ramble on at all mate and I hope that your good memories with your dad will prevail.

I was not posting for a while when my dad got sick but now its a comfort for me and I hope it is for you and others who have gone through this very sad experience.

John Audsley
552 Posted 30/07/2018 at 12:59:50
This has turned into a very peaceful and caring thread.

I'm very proud to have a caring family of blues along side me.

Nice one people.

Steve Ferns
553 Posted 30/07/2018 at 13:12:06
John, thanks for sharing mate. I'm sure you felt better for sharing that and I think it's important that you do so. I think the guys on here have shown from their warmth to me, jay and Dave B, that you are amongst friends and what friends.

I don't mean to give a daily update on my father, but I feel compelled to do so. The guy has got himself up out of bed and come down the stairs. He sheer strength of mind of the guy is astonishing. But I know your thoughts and prayers are helping so thank you so much.

I don't think he can have a Lazarus type return to health, he's too far gone. But I'm an eternal optimist. So I'll dream that this could be Limpar diving for that penalty and now we need Stuart to step up and bury it, and then the Wimbledon comeback could be on! Thanks, guys.

Brent Stephens
554 Posted 30/07/2018 at 13:20:43
There are social media sites and then there are online communities. TW for me is a community, online.
John Wilson
555 Posted 30/07/2018 at 13:36:47
Thanks for the update Steve

Thoughts and prayers are with you.

With Jesus all things are possible I know that but I understand the realistic situation.

Take care.

Thanks lads/ girls/ whomever, and yes I like that, the TW online community (Brent).

Peter Rogers
556 Posted 30/07/2018 at 15:46:17

I have watched every single minute of each of our pre-season games and, to be honest, I have come to the conclusion that my beloved football club is in meltdown. We have been playing so badly for 12 months now that I for one can't see how we are going to get out of the hole that these underachieving players have dug.

We can't blame yet another manager – especially one who has only had a few weeks to work with the players. The players themselves must start to take the blame; some don't care, some are too old, and some are just not good enough.

Baines – can't get up and down as he used to but is a backup; we need a new left-back
Jagielka – again, getting on but backup for another season; we need a new centre-back
Keane – has no awareness of situations around him, always seems to be on the wrong foot; we need another new centre-back
Schnedierlin – not interested and does not want to be at the club... fuck him off; we need a new defensive midfielder
Tosun – in my opinion, and I hope I am wrong, but we need a true 20-goal-a-season striker and I don't think this guy is it; we need a new striker

But there is another issue that is much bigger than signings and that's the attitude that somebody has brought to our club, the attitude of "fuck the club and fuck the supporters". There has to be an investigation and the person or people who have infected the club must be removed.

I just hope it's not too late, even before a ball has been kicked this season. "Don't panic!"?? I bloody-well am!!!

Jamie Crowley
557 Posted 30/07/2018 at 17:15:17
David Barks -

My sincerest condolences as well. It's a long thread, and a heart-warming read with all the well-wishes, prayers and thoughts. My apologies for missing your need for the above - be assured I'll send a few up to the Big Man for you, your wife's Dad, and your family.

Steve Ferns - your Dad is a gladiator. Inspiring to say the least.

Mike Gaynes - when my second had to have meniscus surgery, he was placed in the children's oncology wing as there were no other beds. It was soul-crushing to walk those halls. Devastating. At one point I welled up and simply sprint-walked to my son's room so no one would see me almost lose it.

A perspective aligning, life-changing moment. We think we have problems. No we really don't comparatively. Cheers.

Richard Stone
558 Posted 31/07/2018 at 17:53:50
This thread shows what a truly special club Everton is. So, bear with me but here’s another take on our club and the loss of loved ones...
My mum died when I was only 8 and my brother when he was just 47 both to cancer and as eveyone’s said it can be such a cruel disease. The worst though was sitting with my dad in 2010 as he passed away. Horrible. After he died, I promised to myself to be a better dad to my lad than he was to me - much as we loved each other he wasn’t the most giving person (a generational thing I suppose). Having lost my mum I could have done with a bit more care and attention as a boy.

So, after he died, I got season tickets for me and my son for the first time and we travelled up every couple of weeks from Leicester and it brought us so close and it’s stayed that way ever since.
(When my boy was 6 and first interested in football he wanted to support Chelsea. I told him he couldn’t!! He had to support Everton or if he really wanted to he could support Leicester as that’s where he lived. Thank God he made the right choice!!)

I love reading what you all have to say about Everton, I hate how much we’ve been let down but that really is how life often works! What matters is how you pick yourself up and keep going. So...Seamus for captain, get rid of the Williams, Mirallas and Sneiderlin posse and get some players who leave everything on the pitch. Winning a cup would be great and as for winning the league...well, a real team who fight for each other can do anything with the right support but sadly we’re a long way from that, aren’t we?

Chris Clifton
559 Posted 01/08/2018 at 16:41:12
I have been a blue since 86 and have always read with interest the views from my fellow Evertonians on this brilliant site. It was for this reason I had decided to contribute due to a new season being upon us once again. Having read the comments that have been posted on this thread, I thought this would be an appropriate time to write my first post.

What has always amazed me about this football club of ours, is the tremendous support it has. We disagree on football-related matters but when we are presented with situations that are far more important we rally around and show how much we care.

It is for this reason, as I too lost my partner in March and my father in May, that my love and support goes to Steve and Jay and their families and every other Blue who has been, or is going through, the heartbreak that illness and loss brings.

I don't know you guys personally (to empathise, I don't need to), just let it be known that you really are not alone.

My thoughts and that of every Evertonian are with you.

Stay strong!
Steve Ferns
560 Posted 04/08/2018 at 11:16:03
My father just died an hour ago. After the most horrific and traumatic battle with cancer, he finally went peacefully.

If anyone has a loved one who gets pancreatic cancer and wants to know more, I’d be happy for you to contact me, just email me on

It’s the most horrible form on cancer and we don’t do enough in this country. If we lived in America, my dad would still be here now and fighting. I’m not saying he’d beat it, but he’d have had a better chance.

Rob Halligan
561 Posted 04/08/2018 at 11:23:33
My heartfelt condolences to you and your family Steve.
Dermot Byrne
562 Posted 04/08/2018 at 11:32:55
As someone who works in NHS, I understand what you are saying Steve.

Tough time for you mate remember the happy times.

Brent Stephens
563 Posted 04/08/2018 at 11:36:48
Condolences, Steve.
Jay Harris
564 Posted 04/08/2018 at 11:51:35
Condolences to you and all your family Steve. We've both been through a difficult couple of weeks but although you will miss him tremendously he is at rest now.

It is so hard to see someone so strong succumb to these awful diseases but at least he leaves you with so many fond memories that you can treasure.

I hope you've got lots of people around you to talk to.

I really feel for you and keep posting on ToffeeWeb it has been a source of relief for me and I'm sure it will be for you too.

Amit Vithlani
565 Posted 04/08/2018 at 11:53:27
Steve our condolences and sympathies are with you and your family. Amit, Mita and Riday.
Sam Hoare
566 Posted 04/08/2018 at 12:04:12
Condolences Steve. It sounds like you many happy memories to treasure and sustain you.
Darren Murphy
567 Posted 04/08/2018 at 12:21:12
Aw Steve sorry to hear that bro, been there unfortunately lad as said before.

Tough for awhile but you and your family will get through this and remember the great times with your dad, always remember them as it helps fight through the dark days man.

We'll win this game for him and all of our family and mates who died from a nasty disease.

Take it easy and hope to see your posts soon man.

Tony Abrahams
568 Posted 04/08/2018 at 12:29:13
Sorry to hear that horrible news Steve, I hope your father will rest in peace. R.I.P Mr Fearns, I’m pretty sure you have left your family loads of great memories. Xx.
Christine Foster
569 Posted 04/08/2018 at 12:35:10
Heartfelt sadness for you and your family Steve, man here including myself have lost parents in a similar way, right now its gutting but there will be a time to smile at all of your wonderful memories, there will be many, but today I hope each and every one of us can put an arm around you to protect and comfort you and yours. God bless and protect you all.
Michael Lynch
570 Posted 04/08/2018 at 12:35:37
Sorry for your loss Steve. I think all of us on here who have lost parents recently have been able to empathise and, certainly in my case, actually draw some strength from reading your updates.

We will all suffer bereavement, but even so, every death is individual, just as all of us are individuals and at the same time part of a larger community.

My thoughts are with you today.

Jamie Crowley
571 Posted 04/08/2018 at 12:48:48
Steve -

Prayers and condolences to you and your family. 'May perpetual light shine upon him.'

Bill Griffiths
572 Posted 04/08/2018 at 13:00:36
Heartfelt condolences Steve. Your dad sounds like he was a great bloke who has left you with many wonderful memories.
Hope we win today for you all.
Julian Exshaw
573 Posted 04/08/2018 at 13:04:38
My deepest sympathies, Steve.
Paul Tran
574 Posted 04/08/2018 at 13:05:20
Steve, Jay, David, deepest condolences to you and your loved ones. Cherish your good memories and do keep posting on here and talking about your feelings. It does you more good than you could imagine.
Darren Hind
575 Posted 04/08/2018 at 13:19:52
Very sad news Steve.

As you can see from the comments, You and your family are in a lot of peoples thoughts today.

Steve Ferns
576 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:16:41
Thanks guys. I hope to get Everton to put a picture up of me, my dad and Derek Mountfield up from a game a couple of seasons back.
Dave Abrahams
577 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:29:00
So sorry, Steve, for you and your mum and sister. Glad your dad went peacefully in the end. As Christine says (569), it is horrible right now and in the coming weeks but in time you will smile at the memories your dad left you.

Me and me mam, who died of that horrible illness would argue all the time, we drove each other crackers, but whenever I think of her now, all the memories are happy ones and always, always, make me laugh. God bless you and your family, Steve, at this very sad time.

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